With the older bikes , especially the reliable Evo, simple is better. Learn to work on it yourself. Repairing and upgrading is very gratifying when you do it yourself.
@@GixxerFoo the harley is yours it’s a extension of yourself it represents everything about you down to the subtle differences between your bike and the stock next to you old or new … and here’s the thing you can change your look over and over for years because as you’ve said a well maintained harley will outlive you .
Both are right. The choice is in what experience you (the buyer) want. To me, it's worth it because what i want can't be bought new anymore. For me, the bikes started morphing in 2007. The changes they started implementing just don't appeal to me. I'm fine with the mechanical upgrades in the motors, it's the styling that started moving in a direction that I personally didn't care for. My first Harley 2002 XL1200C was new. I wanted to buy new when i moved up from the sporty, but i couldnt afford it then. And now the new bikes dont appeal to me as much as the older ones do. And if your patient enough, you can still find those bikes that folks bought and never rode. I bought my 03Fatboy in 2020 unmolested stock condition, with 6700mi on it. Like finding new old stock. I could make all the changes i wanted and didn't have to undo anyone else's. It still had the stock tires on it!
I can't afford the new stuff, but I could afford an older bike that I put money in overtime while still riding it. And now what I have is mine. No one has one, that I've ever seen, like it.
Picked up a 2007 Fat Boy this summer. Denim Black, Vance & Hines exhaust, cam, tune etc….. with 19,000 miles. $3,500. It had been sitting for 5 years or more.A new battery, tires, replaced the fuel pressure regulator housing, regulator, and idle control valve. So for a little over $5000 I have a really nice bike. Bags and windshield came with it.
Sounds nice. Just keep an eye on crank runout. Had to rebuild the engine in my 2007 softail and put an S&S crank in it cause the original crank had .015” runout!! Oil pump was looking bad cause of it. Bike had 38,000 miles last year when I did it. Just giving you a heads up.
I ride a twin cam and an EVO and I'm proud to ride them both. I really don't think that the new bikes are that enchanting. Anybody with way too much money can buy a new Harley, but us guys with older bikes put a lot more of themselves into their bike, instead of just throwing money at it.
Evos and twin cams are wonderful from carbureted to early fuel injection they are very reliable with the right miles and upgrades. This newer stuff scares me with all of the new electronics.
Ever since the Evo Harleys are highly reliable, buildable and you can customize them any way you want. You don't buy Harleys to get rich you buy it to enjoy it the way you enjoy it. I used to like fast and pumped up bikes now I like stock with some pipes and intake. It's hard to explain to those that don't care for Harleys but the bike produces a certain feeling. You either get that or you don't. That's why the world makes hundreds of bikes and models. Life is short so go buy what makes you happy.
Just picked up a 1999 Wide Glide with the Tangerine Orange flames on Root Beer paint set. Looks new with 6,837 miles. Harley Davidson no longer builds a bike I'm interested in. 👌
I'm very similar to you. 8 months ago I bought a 2001 Dyna Wide Glide, Silver with ghost flames & chrome galore! I'm very happy with it. Congrats on your purchase, too!
Sounds nice. Picked up a Shovelhead for $1500 this summer. Cost another $800 to get it straight. Son picked up a pretty stock 87 Softail for $3300 a month later. We could have bought 4 more bikes for less than a new one😂.
I have noticed a lot of low mileage EVO’s in great shape all over the net. I think it has to do with Baby Boomers getting older and letting them go. Sounds like you got a sweet deal, ride safe.
First thing i did the morning after i bought my sportster , first Harley ever. Removed the mufflers, opened up the intake and ditched that stock seat for a solo bobber saddle. And the mods haven't stopped! This video is right on the money about creating some happiness by turning my own wrenches! Mahalo gixxerfoo!!!
In 2004 I bought a one owner 1990 Haley Ultra Classic for 8K. Rode it for 20 years and 80,000 miles. Did I put money in it? Of course. Tires, brakes, and through the years a drive belt, a starter, exhaust. If I add it all up, I probably had a total of 5K more. I don't think I wasclose to the cost of s new one, in 2004 or now.
I love my evo dyna, and I'm super spoiled by having two independant shops within a 1/2 hour ride that'll happily fix anything I can't handle myself. Not the fastest or most comfortable bike in the world, but makes me smile every time I get on it. No payments, no warrenty, just good times.
I have a 2003 wide glide ,added 4 inch wide front wheel ,super fork brace ,hard leather bags,bat wing fairing , made a Beautiful 4 inch wide front fender, I can dive into Any corner and it tracks like it's on rails ,I am sooooooo happy with it, I am almost 70 ,still riding,I just hope I dont drop it! RIDE WHAT YOU LOVE AND LOVE WHAT YOU DRIVE!
I totally agree with the statement that it's built not bought. Buying a Harley-Davidson is like an artist buying a blank canvas. The only possible problem is that some artists are terrible, hahaha. But seriously, a harley-davidson should represent the owner and the personality of the owner. Me, I'm a 61 year old shovelhead person, and it's just what I prefer and like. My last shovelhead I bought was this last summer, 1982 flt no fairing or tour pack 19" spoke front wheel, l Iowered, fishtail exhaust (no baffles) and 16" apes. Runs and rides great, only had to rebuild the front brakes. $3,000 There's still good deals to be had. You just need patience and a little knowledge. I still have my first big twin, a 1978 flh, and wouldn't think about giving it up, ever.
I bought a well cared for 2004 ultra with 28k miles in 2023 for $6,700. I’ve thrown another 6k at it. I will never need anything past what this bike is. 14” apes, improved suspension, stage 3, and everything has been gone through. I can ride cross country with confidence and all with no payment!
I am seriously considering putting a new S&S motor in my 1989 FXRS. You simply could not GIVE me a new H-D. I will not ride a smooth, quiet, flat black computer on wheels. Just not going to happen. I love my old bike. It looks great, it sounds great, and it feels great. It's what a Harley Davidson used to be all about. I've owned it for 22 years, and taken care of it, but I have also ridden it. It has so many miles on it now I'm starting to get concerned about it breaking down and leaving me stranded. And while I know how, I am no longer physically capable of rebuilding the motor myself.
It also depends on who you know. in the 70;s I got my 49 Panhead painted custom artwork for the cost of a bottle of whisky. Plus I watched him paint it!
Love your channel. I ride Evos. I’ve had an M8 but even after I cammed it, it didn’t have the soul like my ‘96 & ‘97 FLH’s have. When I fire up the Evo, man there’s nothing else like it. Sound and feel. Someday I’m gonna pull the trigger on an early 90s Softail. Enjoy your content and always look forward to your new videos.
I had several bikes over the past 40 years. I bought a new 2014 Streetglide and liked it. A few years later, I sold it. About 7 years ago I bought a 2003 Dyna and love it. It had low miles and didnt break the bank.. I spent the next 3 years, doing it my way. Its my keeper and absolutely shreds some of the new Harleys. Im not all about racing but riding what I put my effort into. No matter what, enjoy and watch out for the texting people !!
Harley raising prices this year is going to make for a tough time for them. At this point there are so many low mileage 1-3 years old and you can save a ton of money!
Trying to get someone to work on an older bike (2005) for me is a chore. I choose to do as much of the work myself as possible. Dumped the EFI and went to a carb and used Hammer Perf. to do my cylinders and heads. Fantastic workmanship. Thanks for your Hammer suggestion. I've had new bikes over the years but in my old age I love my 20 year old carb bike. Happy 2025.
I recently sold my ‘05 RK Custom FLHRSI to a friend. It had 35k on it when he got it 2 years ago. Never did more than regular maintenance while I had it. He turned over 65k, so I checked the cam chain tensioners, and they needed replaced. I always run synthetic oil in all my vehicles, and change engine every 3-4k, and trans and primary every 5-6k. I bought a ‘17 RK FLHR and used the money from the ‘05 for the down payment. I love the ride on the ‘17 (and so does my better half), but I love working on the ‘05.
Mr Foo, your feelings are very close to mine. I was born the year Easy Rider came out. I have a very customized '08 TC 96" FXSTC. It's A long tall chopper. High sissybar, raked and extended forks, no front fender, apes, upswept fish tail exhausts, suicide foot-clutch and Jockey shifter. Those who share my passion love my bike, for those who don't get it, that's ok to. I love my bike, bikes older than mine and or ones that stand out grab my attention. Just because someone spent big money bolting on lots of tiny accessories doesn't make it stand out. Most bikes get lost in the parking lot. For a few years I owned a replica rigid Knucklehead with kick and electric.
Old used bikes for me. I've got a 92 STF. I love and ride that bike because it's like me old but not used up. I bought it and rode it home. I know when I buy old bikes that there will be issues along the way. But brand new bikes have their issues and there's no way to work on them with all their computer electronics that make them go down the road. I'm pushing 70, so I'm probably thinking this will be my last bike before I hang it up for good. Loved the video and topic!
Jd, I'm 66 yrs, young and a twin brother, we both ride, and had the I'm to old to ride conversation on New years day, he said when he's in a wheel chair that's when he'll stop riding, I had to laugh, we both have seen are share of incidents,as we have both been riding for 50 plus years. good luck in the new year, be safe.
I picked up a 94 wide glide with only 14k on the odometer about a month ago, 5 days of ownership and about 70 miles in, she had a real loud lifter tick. Tore it down, the cam bearing was completely shot, 2 teeth on the cam gear had broken off, and the pinion gear had severe pitting and had broken 2 shards off of it as well. Who knows how it happened, but now she’s got new lifters, new ev27 cam, new pinion gear, new gaskets all over as I had to completely tear it down to find all the pieces of metal lol. But, within a month I built a relationship and a hell of a story with this bike.
SILENT, I have a 94 fxdwg w,a ev27 cam and re jetted carb.You made the right choice, I've had mine 4, 7 years,and it runs like a top. YOURengine cam gear issues probably were from some very hard riding from the previous. Owner, but as Gixxer has said, do the cam bearings while your changing out your cam, which the previous. Owner prob. Didn't do.But it's yours now, enjoy the heck out of it, as I'm sure you will. Happy riding, you didn't go wrong, evos forever.
@@Scott-rr7dy yes sir, I did a Torrington bearing. When I got the bike it already had an s&s carb and screamin eagle pipes, so it feels pretty torquey I just haven’t really opened her up yet cuz I’m not too sure what the break in period is haha
Yeah H-D put the INA bearing on inboard side of cam starting in 92, bought a 94 FLHTC new never new that until after I put a cam in it after the first year and soon after it started making a whine, took it apart the new cam and original bearing was shot, replaced cam & bearing and all was good, had to get a bearing tool to do it
@@obssilent1099 Just ride it in the range that you normally ride,and let the cam wear in gradually, just don't get it hot,or high rpm for long duration. Very yourspeeds . As they say rideit like you stole it,
That Andrews ev27 cam with the fast opening n closing ramps will eventually beat-up your tappets n cause damage. It beats up the rollers til the needle bearings fall out. I know, I ran that cam. It's not a good cam. Go with the V-thunder cams, they are designed with softer opening n closing ramps for longevity and at the same time giving you more duration for more power...
To tell you the truth, it's because of this channel that I went and bought an old 2009 96ci. Since then I've completely rebuilt it from the frame up. I own it out right so no monthly payments. It's got a big bore 106 engine in it from s&s with all brand new components. Still got that beautiful twin cam sound. It's great on the highway, great sound system. Led lighting all around. I'm really happy with it and I don't think the new bikes will last as long as this one will
Good review, Gix. Yes, I could have bought a new one vs my 2008 TC that I improved with S&S and Baker upgrades : it would have been a 100 lb heavier, EPA compliant boat anchor, with catalytic converter, overloaded with electronics and ABS that make it impossible to work on. Let's face it - the aftermarket guys out-Harleyed Harley a long time ago...
Enjoy them all. From my 1980 FLH , Dana 2012, and yes a Road king, Rivival 2023 ( big mistake) now being 75 years old I now ride a 2023 117 Breakout. My most favorite was my 96 ci Dana. I like the older HD's ,great video.
Yeah, I've been asked that question about my 97 Sportster. Here's the answer and please bear in mind that I live in Australia and the on-road price for a brand new 883 Sportster back in 2009 (when I bought my bike from a friend) was north of $15500. So, I had been looking at a new Triumph Bonneville replica, which cost $14k back then. My mate tells me he's trading in his 1997 883 Sportster and I've ridden the bike, so I know it and I ask him how much the dealer is gonna give him. He tells me; $7000. A day later, I have a Sportster with 46,000 kilometres (28500 miles) on the clock. So, my friend is a nice guy, but he's no mechanic and I have some remedial work to do, but that's okay, I like wrenching and being my first ever Harley, I like the experience. He thought that the Primary oil was fed from the engine. That was true of old Triumphs, but NOT Harley Sportsters. Thankfully, he'd tried doing his own oil change only a few weeks before I got the bike, so the Primary, Clutch and transmission needs to come apart. I was surprised and impressed that the gears were all okay, if al little yellowed. Clutch plates were passable too. The Primary chain tensioner had broken into there parts and the chain looked a little worse for wear, so a gasket, some oil, a tensioner and new primary chain set me back around $350. The bike went like a charm. Fast forward to 2012, after I'd put some serious miles on it and I decided that the 2-1 exhaust system that came with the bike wasn't really getting the chance to really shine, owing to the standard air cleaner, so I decided to get it dyno-tuned. Total cost, including an S&S Teardrop aircleaner; $1,100. That made the bike go much better, as the power output was now 56hp. A long road trip a year or two later saw the first and only time the bike let me down. The front belt sprocket splines gave way as I was passing a truck. a helpful farmer helped me to the next town and after some phone calls, I learned that Harley has though a sprocket made out of alloy would be a good protection for the splines on the 5th gear. Harley was wrong. They'd also put in a bearing that was the wrong one for that heat loading and the bearing was also replaced, along with 5th gear and a 29 tooth belt sprocket. Cost; $800 and a couple of days. Met a great guy who had the tools necessary to pull thing apart. Around six years ago I began researching big bore kits and after a year or more, decided on a 1275 kit from Hammer Performance. Importing stuff from overseas attracts customs taxes like manure attracts flies, so I had to watch the prices of packages coming from the US. Anyway, I decided that a full strip down was probably a good idea, so I did a ground-up rebuild; Wheel bearings, steering head and so on. New brake lines, master cylinder kits, fork seals, you name it. Rewired the bike from under the seat to the headlight, with a wire-tuck, relocation of coil and ignition switch and some improvements to front and rear suspension AND the Hammer kit, total cost; $3,000. Add that all up and we get a grand total of $12,250. I now have a 1275cc Sportster, with superior suspension to standard, which puts out phenomenal power and (more importantly) torque, that is as new as anything on the showroom floor and much better in many ways. The only comparable Harley is a Sportster S and they're priced at $24K for a new one, so I'm doin pretty well. I wouldn't want one of those anyway, so I have what I want in a bike that I built myself, for a damn good total price by my reckoning. I understand that you CAN spend a lot of money on any bike, but you don't HAVE to.
Great video! 👍👏👏👏👍 I loved to wrench on my bikes. It is part of the experience of owning a motorcycle. There ain't no spare in the trunk! Older bikes are the only way to go, IMO. Seriously, Harley, plastic intakes? 40, 50, 60K for a new bike?
I have 3 old bikes, 79 & 81 Shovelheads & 01 Softail. I love older bikes with carbs because they’re easier to keep on the road. The electronics of the newer bikes is awesome but I’m afraid of future issues & not being able to work on them myself.
Still have my first and only Harley. A 1995 springer softail. It still runs great and the original paint shines up nice. At this point I’ve had it for more of my life than not at this point lol
Being able to do the work properly yourself saves a lot of money the shop rates nowadays are up there. My old 85 FXST you would hardly even know it's carbureted with how nice it runs. There's a lot to be said about keeping the mods within reason I see a lot of bikes out there ruined because of higher expectations than what these bikes were made for.
I personally found older Harleys to have more character. You can do all kinds of things to make an old one better. I just picked up a 94 Road King flood bike from auction that someone spent lots of money on chrome bits. It's a tad tacky and definitely built with stuff from that time period but I like it. Tons of character that a new one can't ever have. Even if I end up spending some cash to bring it back to life I will thoroughly enjoy it.
I love the older bikes as they have character, from twin cam back. I also have zero desire to own a M8 harley, no thanks. The amount you put into your bike is for the love of it plain and simple.
Have a 89 heritage i bought it new had my local mechanic do my top end refreshed. When searching through the internet. I was getting a lot of the comments saying why put the money into it. And your correct no Harley dealership would give me the time of day been riding that scoot for 3 decades and no plans of getting rid of it
You are absolutely correct !! I have an 06 Deluxe and have been, for the most part, happy with it. I wanted to check out the fuel injection. A shovelhead guy at heart, but now that I'm older, I put them miles on and have next to no issues.
I bought a chromed out '97 WideGlide Evo with a custom.psimtjob on it 7yrs ago, and tte previous owner had shitty taste, so I had to replace a few things like spoke rims, turn signals, tail light, and I had to debone it because he had put skeleton crap on everything possible. Total cost, 5 grand including the price of purchase, and it's come out 1st and 2nd in the two bike shows I didn't want to enter it in but my wife made me. Good video, as usual.👍
1995 FLSTN, Baby... EVO engine, stock carb, manual choke, 5-spd, analog gauges, 25K on odometer, all-original except for Anderson cam and Dynatek 2000i Ignition Kit...
Ditto. My 94 Fxdwg, Has 29k, and runs like brand new bike, 30 yr old bike still turns heads, when I park next the the cvo,ect. All the old timers look at mine, and scratch there heads at the new one, The spells PRIDE in owning an old Evo.
If you plan to have your brand new Harley stock forever, yes. But nobody does that, so I will get an older one and have lots of fun doing the upgrades by myself. You can do that for a new one, if you are rich or willing to get broke. Thanks for the video, very interesting.
I have my 131 Triglide that I built myself, I put about 11 grand into the build. I like it and it definitely hauls balls but it doesn’t sound like any of the older ones I’ve had. I also have a 2003 cvo screamin eagle 1550 deuce I got it with only 2400 miles on it, I had to put a few chrome parts on it because of putting like mirrors, clutch cover etc. but I absolutely love that bike it sounds fantastic and since it’s a 95 cu with cams from the factory and of course I tuned it with the new pipes I put on it. It hauls ass too so much so I don’t want to do anything else to it. I have a few more things to do to it like cam bearings and a hydraulic cam plate and then it will be golden. I’m just glad I’ve been able to work on anything that burns fuel. Hell I voided my extended Harley warranty two years after I bought the trike.
I still love my 1993 Evo Electra Glide FLHS, got it since 1994 and yes... I put some money into it over the years. But you have a bike with your soul and all the way you want it to be.
98 dyna lowrider! Bought it for $2200 and put $9000 into it. I get u should have just bought a new one all the time but take it back when they see that brand new paint job and 96"s&s stroker motor pull them and all there friends they all get quiet 😂
Who thinks you could buy a new one for $11,200? What year were they saying that? They certainly can't say that now. I don't remember when you could buy a new Dyna for just over $11k since 1998?!
I would love an old Harley .. I would love a new Harley .. it doesn’t matter what you ride as long as you ride … price is the only obstacle.. I’m in the uk and an 06 dyna is £10000 a nearly new 2020 softail is £11000 . Both Just out of my range
I bought a 5k 2004 FLHRS & with what I have in it. I'm still 10k under a new Road King. I also recently picked up a 1995 FLHTCUI for $700, thanks to having friends in the service department of my local dealership. I'll put a fair penny into rehabbing it. But I'll still be well under what a brand new Ultra is. I have zero regrets. I'd rather save an old bike vs give the motor company my money. I'll keep my cash until Zeitz is gone.
good stuff, thanks. I agree with you that your bike is your bike and we make that bike what we want. not what others think it should be. I still have a '66 shovel that was built exactly that way. I also have an M8 that I bought used and I'm doing the same thing with it. The constant idea is, make it your bike or who cares. take care see you next week. Be safe.
Well said, I've been riding Harley since 1982 and still riding. I'm going back to older bikes get the grandkids riding instead stay in the house. Riding 2020 tri glide health reasons.
Agree,I just finished my new but better '02 heritage& yes cost about same.But I wanted numbers matching!Also in past ironhead sportster with 3x value..but pull up to dealer even salesman come out.Didn't intend to spend$$$ but in the end 👍😎
That being said, I have around 10 000$ in a 2005 Springer and riding it 8000 miles a year for 5 years now, minimal maintenance yet. A far cry from the price of a new bike.
If you want affordable old-school, simplicity, and something dependable to ride, a carbureted EVO is the way to go, currently best bang for the buck, IMHO... I reckon the affordability aspect will soon be a thing of the past.
I got an 06 heritage and you're absolutely right. I got alot more in it than I can sell it for but I love my bike and don't have any thinking to sell it 👍🦅😎🦅
The moral of the story is that it’s my money and I’ll spend it the way I want and not feel like I have to give anyone a justification for my spending habits. I’m not in the least interested in a new Harley Davidson but apparently some folks are or Harley wouldn’t be selling them. More power to them as they’ve capitulated to the bureaucrats in the EPA and gone a direction that doesn’t interest me in the slightest but that’s a decision that Harley management and the stockholders had the right to make. I’m truly content with what I’m riding but I’m also thankful for strong aftermarket support that gives me independence from the Motor Company’s less than stellar decisions.
2011 bagger 103, just added Zippers 528 Redshift Cams, Thundermax Tuner, high-output Vance and Hines headers and slipons, K&N Air Filter, Fueling Lifters and new cam chain tensioner shoes from Twin Power. Bike is running awesome and has plenty of power. Don't want or need a new one.
No matter what year your HD is you will put money in it to make it yours. The pre-owned market is always a better deal if you're smart and know what to look for.
It doesn't matter what you ride as long as you ride. american made or metric. The wind still feels the same. I have an 08 roadking. Love it. I plan on building it the way i want it. I can do so without spending a bunch of money at 1 time. I can stretch my .iney out over time to build it without breaking the bank and veing stuck under a long term payment plan. That's the difference between bought and built.
I bought a 2024 Road King Special, it's my first Harley. Sure, I spent a lot on the bike and have spent way too much money on it since. But it sure puts a smile on my face every time I get on it.
Thank you for another great show. Would you consider doing a video on the wiring and guage changes in or around 1996? Also, it would be cool to see the evolution to digital display from the first digital odometer. When was the last harley made with no digital guage of any kind?
I totally agree with you Gixxerfoo, I love the classics. I can buy 6 or 7 used Harleys for the price of a new one. If it gets so bad I can't ride it anymore, just pick up another one. Just ask Scooter Tramp Scotty, he has over 500,000 miles a single Electra Glide.
I have a 1984 FLHTC-2005 Super Glide--2005 Ultra Classic. They all have been modified somewhat and enjoy them immensely however I have 1982 GS 1100E--1983 GS1100E- 1988 V Max and a 1976 KZ900 and enjoy them just as much. Heck just ride what you like whether it be old or new.
I'm very happy with my '98 Sportster, it has about 86,000 Km but it runs nice and I got it cheap... $2200 all in! I probably have another grand in tires and little add ons.
Great Video, we are 100% on the same page. I have 40k in my 2002 95" FXSTDI. It only worth about 6k. Built by me and not bought. And just like you stated, unless they have stage kits and or major engine upgrades in their Milwaukee 8 even the 117,s, I show them tail lights with ease and there ain't nothing they can do about it
Thank you So much for the time and research you do.Your the Bomb! I Have to be able to Ride and Repair the The Older H-D I Cant Jusify the Cost of New and Dealer stuff that goes w/ it.Thank you!
When I wanted another Sportster I intentionally went for a rubber mount, carbureted EVO 1200 that I can wrench on as a retirement hobby. New cars, trucks and motorcycles tie you to the stealership and a lot of the newer stuff is disposable by design.
Great video and topic!! I would much rather buy a used Harley. The reason is, I don't have to worry about the warranty. I can build it up the way that I want to.
My used 2009 Ultra is my first and only Harley and is why I have kept it. It went from a 96 to 103 and is now a 110. I plan to keep it for a long while.
09 was a pretty big change in everything for the touring bikes. Frame was completely redesigned and a cush drive added to the rear pulley. Those bikes run so smooth. I rode my Buddy's once and couldn't believe the difference between his 09 and my 1998
When presented the opportunity to buy the bike in 2012 I read up a little on the changes. The frame and the wider rear tire were the two things I remember that stood out to me. Thanks for sharing.
Grt8 vlog , I agree with everything you have mentioned , as far as buying an older Harley , there are plenty for sale with mods already , and they just need a bit of love to get them back in shape 😆👍✌
Just picked up a clean 25k mile 2013 Electra-Glide Ultra Limited mostly stock accept for slipons & Led lights front & rear for what I thought was a good price of $8k. Put in an additional $2,500-3k for a mustang seat,Ultracool fan assist oil cooler,love jugs mity mite smaller version cooling fans,vied adjustable resistors that install in-line with 02 sensors to richen up the lean oem fuel calibration,better breathing k&n air filter,new tires,new front & rear brake pads & fluid flush,new bars,Hayden prim chain tensioner to avoid the oem tensioner possibly over tightening prim chain leading to premature trans bearing/shaft failure,new irridium plugs & plug wires,3 hole oil change using Spectro products specifically designed & formulated for lrg v-twin Hd bikes.Now for now a total of $11k (still under it’s supposed book value!) I have a great dependable bike with no payments not costing me $30-40k for new bike & all the accessories to improve & make it mine to deal with. Btw,a week after I bought that bike I saw a 1 owner 2,900 mile 2012 Elec GlD ultra classic in like new cond sell for $8,400. Last week I was what looked to be a clean black 2013 Elec GlD ultra limited with only 3,900 miles with asking price of $10k or OBO that’s good buy with low miles in good cond under book value. But I missed the boat not waiting for that 2012 one owner 2,900 mile rlec GlD ultra classic for $8,400 came along! Happy motoring!
Started out with an Irohead that I worked on more than I got to ride it. Evo Wide Glide was next, great bike wrecked it and built it back bigger faster and stronger. Then a Twin cam and finally a twin cam air cooled ultra. Evos are my favorite because of the simplicity.
In 2020 I bought a new Heritage Classic with a 114 I took the standard warranty I did not buy extended warranty I never have and I do everything to it myself I'm sure it'll last years and years and run Miles and Miles without that extended warranty😢
I expect to keep my ‘05 Road King as long as I can ride (I am now 77). When I can’t ride it anymore, I will give it to my grandson. I built it my way, then he can build it his way.
Is putting enough money into an older Harley-Davidson worth it when you could of bought a new one?
With the older bikes , especially the reliable Evo, simple is better. Learn to work on it yourself. Repairing and upgrading is very gratifying when you do it yourself.
@@GixxerFoo the harley is yours it’s a extension of yourself it represents everything about you down to the subtle differences between your bike and the stock next to you old or new … and here’s the thing you can change your look over and over for years because as you’ve said a well maintained harley will outlive you .
Yes! I love the old school harley's, I like the new ones too but I just love nostalgic bikes more. Like you said, it's an investment in happiness :)
@@flatspider An older Harley will likely outlive you. A new one most definitely will not.
Both are right. The choice is in what experience you (the buyer) want. To me, it's worth it because what i want can't be bought new anymore. For me, the bikes started morphing in 2007. The changes they started implementing just don't appeal to me. I'm fine with the mechanical upgrades in the motors, it's the styling that started moving in a direction that I personally didn't care for. My first Harley 2002 XL1200C was new. I wanted to buy new when i moved up from the sporty, but i couldnt afford it then. And now the new bikes dont appeal to me as much as the older ones do. And if your patient enough, you can still find those bikes that folks bought and never rode. I bought my 03Fatboy in 2020 unmolested stock condition, with 6700mi on it. Like finding new old stock. I could make all the changes i wanted and didn't have to undo anyone else's. It still had the stock tires on it!
I can't afford the new stuff, but I could afford an older bike that I put money in overtime while still riding it. And now what I have is mine. No one has one, that I've ever seen, like it.
I agree with you. I have no intention of buying a new one. I'm keeping what I have.
I agree with you, the older bike's have a lot more character.
Picked up a 2007 Fat Boy this summer. Denim Black, Vance & Hines exhaust, cam, tune etc….. with 19,000 miles. $3,500. It had been sitting for 5 years or more.A new battery, tires, replaced the fuel pressure regulator housing, regulator, and idle control valve. So for a little over $5000 I have a really nice bike. Bags and windshield came with it.
PERFECT.
Sounds nice. Just keep an eye on crank runout. Had to rebuild the engine in my 2007 softail and put an S&S crank in it cause the original crank had .015” runout!! Oil pump was looking bad cause of it. Bike had 38,000 miles last year when I did it. Just giving you a heads up.
I ride a twin cam and an EVO and I'm proud to ride them both. I really don't think that the new bikes are that enchanting. Anybody with way too much money can buy a new Harley, but us guys with older bikes put a lot more of themselves into their bike, instead of just throwing money at it.
Engine wise, which one do you like more?
Evos and twin cams are wonderful from carbureted to early fuel injection they are very reliable with the right miles and upgrades. This newer stuff scares me with all of the new electronics.
Ever since the Evo Harleys are highly reliable, buildable and you can customize them any way you want. You don't buy Harleys to get rich you buy it to enjoy it the way you enjoy it. I used to like fast and pumped up bikes now I like stock with some pipes and intake. It's hard to explain to those that don't care for Harleys but the bike produces a certain feeling. You either get that or you don't. That's why the world makes hundreds of bikes and models. Life is short so go buy what makes you happy.
@wanaraz You often hear about that thing that's hard to describe but one thing I know about that thing is that it can't be bought.
@@mikaelgillberg7555 100%!
Very well said sir!
Had my 85 FXEF since 1989.
Been run over 3x and I just keep rebuilding it 😂.
Had 2 dozen women come and go, but I'll die with my Superglide.
Great post....so true!
Just picked up a 1999 Wide Glide with the Tangerine Orange flames on Root Beer paint set. Looks new with 6,837 miles. Harley Davidson no longer builds a bike I'm interested in. 👌
I'm very similar to you. 8 months ago I bought a 2001 Dyna Wide Glide, Silver with ghost flames & chrome galore! I'm very happy with it. Congrats on your purchase, too!
Sounds nice.
Picked up a Shovelhead for $1500 this summer. Cost another $800 to get it straight.
Son picked up a pretty stock 87 Softail for $3300 a month later.
We could have bought 4 more bikes for less than a new one😂.
My favorite bike was the 1981 wide glide.
@@ericdavidberkus2950 that Dyna is a great bike.
I have noticed a lot of low mileage EVO’s in great shape all over the net. I think it has to do with Baby Boomers getting older and letting them go. Sounds like you got a sweet deal, ride safe.
It’s not about what you got in it. It’s about what you get out of it. No price tag on riding a bike you like
Cool I will sell you mine 2014 ultra classic EFI $11k as is. 6k in upgrades 5025 miles on it
For me there's always a price tag.
First thing i did the morning after i bought my sportster , first Harley ever. Removed the mufflers, opened up the intake and ditched that stock seat for a solo bobber saddle. And the mods haven't stopped! This video is right on the money about creating some happiness by turning my own wrenches! Mahalo gixxerfoo!!!
In 2004 I bought a one owner 1990 Haley Ultra Classic for 8K. Rode it for 20 years and 80,000 miles. Did I put money in it? Of course. Tires, brakes, and through the years a drive belt, a starter, exhaust. If I add it all up, I probably had a total of 5K more. I don't think I wasclose to the cost of s new one, in 2004 or now.
I love my evo dyna, and I'm super spoiled by having two independant shops within a 1/2 hour ride that'll happily fix anything I can't handle myself. Not the fastest or most comfortable bike in the world, but makes me smile every time I get on it. No payments, no warrenty, just good times.
I'm keeping my twin-cam Wide Glide. I don't know off the top of my head how much money I have in it but it's exactly the way I want. I love that bike.
I have a 2003 wide glide ,added 4 inch wide front wheel ,super fork brace ,hard leather bags,bat wing fairing , made a Beautiful 4 inch wide front fender, I can dive into Any corner and it tracks like it's on rails ,I am sooooooo happy with it, I am almost 70 ,still riding,I just hope I dont drop it! RIDE WHAT YOU LOVE AND LOVE WHAT YOU DRIVE!
Old skool style and riding experience. Simple mechanics, no high-tech issues. Going up in value. Then again, each to their own. Enjoy your ride.
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I totally agree with the statement that it's built not bought.
Buying a Harley-Davidson is like an artist buying a blank canvas.
The only possible problem is that some artists are terrible, hahaha.
But seriously, a harley-davidson should represent the owner and the personality of the owner.
Me, I'm a 61 year old shovelhead person, and it's just what I prefer and like.
My last shovelhead I bought was this last summer, 1982 flt no fairing or tour pack 19" spoke front wheel, l Iowered, fishtail exhaust (no baffles) and 16" apes.
Runs and rides great, only had to rebuild the front brakes.
$3,000
There's still good deals to be had.
You just need patience and a little knowledge.
I still have my first big twin, a 1978 flh, and wouldn't think about giving it up, ever.
I bought a well cared for 2004 ultra with 28k miles in 2023 for $6,700. I’ve thrown another 6k at it. I will never need anything past what this bike is. 14” apes, improved suspension, stage 3, and everything has been gone through. I can ride cross country with confidence and all with no payment!
I am seriously considering putting a new S&S motor in my 1989 FXRS. You simply could not GIVE me a new H-D. I will not ride a smooth, quiet, flat black computer on wheels. Just not going to happen. I love my old bike. It looks great, it sounds great, and it feels great. It's what a Harley Davidson used to be all about. I've owned it for 22 years, and taken care of it, but I have also ridden it. It has so many miles on it now I'm starting to get concerned about it breaking down and leaving me stranded. And while I know how, I am no longer physically capable of rebuilding the motor myself.
It also depends on who you know. in the 70;s I got my 49 Panhead painted custom artwork for the cost of a bottle of whisky. Plus I watched him paint it!
Love your channel. I ride Evos. I’ve had an M8 but even after I cammed it, it didn’t have the soul like my ‘96 & ‘97 FLH’s have. When I fire up the Evo, man there’s nothing else like it. Sound and feel. Someday I’m gonna pull the trigger on an early 90s Softail. Enjoy your content and always look forward to your new videos.
I had several bikes over the past 40 years. I bought a new 2014 Streetglide and liked it. A few years later, I sold it. About 7 years ago I bought a 2003 Dyna and love it. It had low miles and didnt break the bank.. I spent the next 3 years, doing it my way. Its my keeper and absolutely shreds some of the new Harleys. Im not all about racing but riding what I put my effort into. No matter what, enjoy and watch out for the texting people !!
It's easy to spot a texter, they drive like they're drunk!
You always give good information. Thanks.
Harley raising prices this year is going to make for a tough time for them. At this point there are so many low mileage 1-3 years old and you can save a ton of money!
I bought a 2006 Sportster for 3k. It was, all stock. I don't quite have $1000 in it and so far, im happy 😊.
Trying to get someone to work on an older bike (2005) for me is a chore. I choose to do as much of the work myself as possible. Dumped the EFI and went to a carb and used Hammer Perf. to do my cylinders and heads. Fantastic workmanship. Thanks for your Hammer suggestion. I've had new bikes over the years but in my old age I love my 20 year old carb bike. Happy 2025.
I recently sold my ‘05 RK Custom FLHRSI to a friend. It had 35k on it when he got it 2 years ago. Never did more than regular maintenance while I had it. He turned over 65k, so I checked the cam chain tensioners, and they needed replaced. I always run synthetic oil in all my vehicles, and change engine every 3-4k, and trans and primary every 5-6k. I bought a ‘17 RK FLHR and used the money from the ‘05 for the down payment. I love the ride on the ‘17 (and so does my better half), but I love working on the ‘05.
Mr Foo, your feelings are very close to mine. I was born the year Easy Rider came out. I have a very customized '08 TC 96" FXSTC. It's A long tall chopper. High sissybar, raked and extended forks, no front fender, apes, upswept fish tail exhausts, suicide foot-clutch and Jockey shifter. Those who share my passion love my bike, for those who don't get it, that's ok to. I love my bike, bikes older than mine and or ones that stand out grab my attention. Just because someone spent big money bolting on lots of tiny accessories doesn't make it stand out. Most bikes get lost in the parking lot. For a few years I owned a replica rigid Knucklehead with kick and electric.
Old used bikes for me. I've got a 92 STF. I love and ride that bike because it's like me old but not used up. I bought it and rode it home. I know when I buy old bikes that there will be issues along the way. But brand new bikes have their issues and there's no way to work on them with all their computer electronics that make them go down the road. I'm pushing 70, so I'm probably thinking this will be my last bike before I hang it up for good. Loved the video and topic!
No such thing as a used up older Harley. Every single part on it can be replaced.
Old skool all the way. I am right there with you, brother 🤘😎🍺
Jd, I'm 66 yrs, young and a twin brother, we both ride, and had the I'm to old to ride conversation on New years day, he said when he's in a wheel chair that's when he'll stop riding, I had to laugh, we both have seen are share of incidents,as we have both been riding for 50 plus years. good luck in the new year, be safe.
I picked up a 94 wide glide with only 14k on the odometer about a month ago, 5 days of ownership and about 70 miles in, she had a real loud lifter tick. Tore it down, the cam bearing was completely shot, 2 teeth on the cam gear had broken off, and the pinion gear had severe pitting and had broken 2 shards off of it as well. Who knows how it happened, but now she’s got new lifters, new ev27 cam, new pinion gear, new gaskets all over as I had to completely tear it down to find all the pieces of metal lol. But, within a month I built a relationship and a hell of a story with this bike.
SILENT, I have a 94 fxdwg w,a ev27 cam and re jetted carb.You made the right choice, I've had mine 4, 7 years,and it runs like a top. YOURengine cam gear issues probably were from some very hard riding from the previous. Owner, but as Gixxer has said, do the cam bearings while your changing out your cam, which the previous. Owner prob. Didn't do.But it's yours now, enjoy the heck out of it, as I'm sure you will. Happy riding, you didn't go wrong, evos forever.
@@Scott-rr7dy yes sir, I did a Torrington bearing. When I got the bike it already had an s&s carb and screamin eagle pipes, so it feels pretty torquey I just haven’t really opened her up yet cuz I’m not too sure what the break in period is haha
Yeah H-D put the INA bearing on inboard side of cam starting in 92, bought a 94 FLHTC new never new that until after I put a cam in it after the first year and soon after it started making a whine, took it apart the new cam and original bearing was shot, replaced cam & bearing and all was good, had to get a bearing tool to do it
@@obssilent1099 Just ride it in the range that you normally ride,and let the cam wear in gradually, just don't get it hot,or high rpm for long duration. Very yourspeeds . As they say rideit like you stole it,
That Andrews ev27 cam with the fast opening n closing ramps will eventually beat-up your tappets n cause damage. It beats up the rollers til the needle bearings fall out. I know, I ran that cam. It's not a good cam. Go with the V-thunder cams, they are designed with softer opening n closing ramps for longevity and at the same time giving you more duration for more power...
To tell you the truth, it's because of this channel that I went and bought an old 2009 96ci. Since then I've completely rebuilt it from the frame up. I own it out right so no monthly payments. It's got a big bore 106 engine in it from s&s with all brand new components. Still got that beautiful twin cam sound. It's great on the highway, great sound system. Led lighting all around. I'm really happy with it and I don't think the new bikes will last as long as this one will
still ridin my 2000 fatboy, will ride it till i can't ride anymore.
Good review, Gix. Yes, I could have bought a new one vs my 2008 TC that I improved with S&S and Baker upgrades : it would have been a 100 lb heavier, EPA compliant boat anchor, with catalytic converter, overloaded with electronics and ABS that make it impossible to work on. Let's face it - the aftermarket guys out-Harleyed Harley a long time ago...
I have $6500 in a $40,000 2003 Heritage that previous owners have spent! Great deals are around, they seem to fall into your lap when you're patient.
No matter your hobby, enjoyment ends when you start giving a crap about what other's think about your pursuits.
Lol. My newest bike is now 26 years old. I intentionally park next to newer bikes. Feel bad. Yeppers. For them... 😅
Happy New Year Everyone...
Thumbs up for the channel...
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Enjoy them all. From my 1980 FLH , Dana 2012, and yes a Road king, Rivival 2023 ( big mistake) now being 75 years old I now ride a 2023 117 Breakout. My most favorite was my 96 ci Dana. I like the older HD's ,great video.
My old Harley doesn't need a computer to tune or have a crapload of unwanted junk on it.
Rumor is a 2025 Road King Classic is showing up...save your dough and buy 2,3,or 4 used ones and have some money for beer leftover.
Yeah, I've been asked that question about my 97 Sportster. Here's the answer and please bear in mind that I live in Australia and the on-road price for a brand new 883 Sportster back in 2009 (when I bought my bike from a friend) was north of $15500. So, I had been looking at a new Triumph Bonneville replica, which cost $14k back then. My mate tells me he's trading in his 1997 883 Sportster and I've ridden the bike, so I know it and I ask him how much the dealer is gonna give him. He tells me; $7000. A day later, I have a Sportster with 46,000 kilometres (28500 miles) on the clock. So, my friend is a nice guy, but he's no mechanic and I have some remedial work to do, but that's okay, I like wrenching and being my first ever Harley, I like the experience. He thought that the Primary oil was fed from the engine. That was true of old Triumphs, but NOT Harley Sportsters. Thankfully, he'd tried doing his own oil change only a few weeks before I got the bike, so the Primary, Clutch and transmission needs to come apart. I was surprised and impressed that the gears were all okay, if al little yellowed. Clutch plates were passable too. The Primary chain tensioner had broken into there parts and the chain looked a little worse for wear, so a gasket, some oil, a tensioner and new primary chain set me back around $350. The bike went like a charm. Fast forward to 2012, after I'd put some serious miles on it and I decided that the 2-1 exhaust system that came with the bike wasn't really getting the chance to really shine, owing to the standard air cleaner, so I decided to get it dyno-tuned. Total cost, including an S&S Teardrop aircleaner; $1,100. That made the bike go much better, as the power output was now 56hp. A long road trip a year or two later saw the first and only time the bike let me down. The front belt sprocket splines gave way as I was passing a truck. a helpful farmer helped me to the next town and after some phone calls, I learned that Harley has though a sprocket made out of alloy would be a good protection for the splines on the 5th gear. Harley was wrong. They'd also put in a bearing that was the wrong one for that heat loading and the bearing was also replaced, along with 5th gear and a 29 tooth belt sprocket. Cost; $800 and a couple of days. Met a great guy who had the tools necessary to pull thing apart. Around six years ago I began researching big bore kits and after a year or more, decided on a 1275 kit from Hammer Performance. Importing stuff from overseas attracts customs taxes like manure attracts flies, so I had to watch the prices of packages coming from the US. Anyway, I decided that a full strip down was probably a good idea, so I did a ground-up rebuild; Wheel bearings, steering head and so on. New brake lines, master cylinder kits, fork seals, you name it. Rewired the bike from under the seat to the headlight, with a wire-tuck, relocation of coil and ignition switch and some improvements to front and rear suspension AND the Hammer kit, total cost; $3,000.
Add that all up and we get a grand total of $12,250.
I now have a 1275cc Sportster, with superior suspension to standard, which puts out phenomenal power and (more importantly) torque, that is as new as anything on the showroom floor and much better in many ways. The only comparable Harley is a Sportster S and they're priced at $24K for a new one, so I'm doin pretty well. I wouldn't want one of those anyway, so I have what I want in a bike that I built myself, for a damn good total price by my reckoning.
I understand that you CAN spend a lot of money on any bike, but you don't HAVE to.
Old bike means no payments and can put that type of money in to how I want to be
100% correct. Twin Cam baby👊🏻👊🏻👊🏻👊🏻
I second that. Twin cams are great engines!
@ my green 103 09 Electra glide AKA the Hulk has been my favorite bike yet👊🏻
Great video! 👍👏👏👏👍
I loved to wrench on my bikes. It is part of the experience of owning a motorcycle. There ain't no spare in the trunk! Older bikes are the only way to go, IMO.
Seriously, Harley, plastic intakes? 40, 50, 60K for a new bike?
I'm 69 years old and I am a true Sportster fan. Those things are the ultimate bomb
I have 3 old bikes, 79 & 81 Shovelheads & 01 Softail. I love older bikes with carbs because they’re easier to keep on the road. The electronics of the newer bikes is awesome but I’m afraid of future issues & not being able to work on them myself.
Me too, "carb" is King!
Just buy a Thundermax ecm tuner, and you can tune and diagnose it on your own.
@@jamesholinka2835 piece of junk
I agree. EFI sucks
Still have my first and only Harley. A 1995 springer softail. It still runs great and the original paint shines up nice. At this point I’ve had it for more of my life than not at this point lol
Being able to do the work properly yourself saves a lot of money the shop rates nowadays are up there. My old 85 FXST you would hardly even know it's carbureted with how nice it runs. There's a lot to be said about keeping the mods within reason I see a lot of bikes out there ruined because of higher expectations than what these bikes were made for.
I personally found older Harleys to have more character. You can do all kinds of things to make an old one better. I just picked up a 94 Road King flood bike from auction that someone spent lots of money on chrome bits. It's a tad tacky and definitely built with stuff from that time period but I like it. Tons of character that a new one can't ever have. Even if I end up spending some cash to bring it back to life I will thoroughly enjoy it.
I love the older bikes as they have character, from twin cam back. I also have zero desire to own a M8 harley, no thanks. The amount you put into your bike is for the love of it plain and simple.
I agree with you. The m8 is the worst engine hd ever built.
Have a 89 heritage i bought it new had my local mechanic do my top end refreshed. When searching through the internet. I was getting a lot of the comments saying why put the money into it. And your correct no Harley dealership would give me the time of day been riding that scoot for 3 decades and no plans of getting rid of it
You are absolutely correct !! I have an 06 Deluxe and have been, for the most part, happy with it. I wanted to check out the fuel injection. A shovelhead guy at heart, but now that I'm older, I put them miles on and have next to no issues.
😅love the M8. Started with a sportster 50 Years ago. Loved all my Harleys. Old and new.
I bought a chromed out '97 WideGlide Evo with a custom.psimtjob on it 7yrs ago, and tte previous owner had shitty taste, so I had to replace a few things like spoke rims, turn signals, tail light, and I had to debone it because he had put skeleton crap on everything possible.
Total cost, 5 grand including the price of purchase, and it's come out 1st and 2nd in the two bike shows I didn't want to enter it in but my wife made me.
Good video, as usual.👍
I can't wait to get a second bike. Got my first one paid for last year, get my Buick paid for and I will be shopping again. 😀
01'Ultra Classic MMFI with 37k on the clock. Regular maintenance intervals. This 88 twin cam is here for the long haul.
1995 FLSTN, Baby... EVO engine, stock carb, manual choke, 5-spd, analog gauges, 25K on odometer, all-original except for Anderson cam and Dynatek 2000i Ignition Kit...
Ditto. My 94 Fxdwg, Has 29k, and runs like brand new bike, 30 yr old bike still turns heads, when I park next the the cvo,ect. All the old timers look at mine, and scratch there heads at the new one, The spells PRIDE in owning an old Evo.
@@Scott-rr7dyyea apparently you never ride it. That's low low mileage for a 94.
You don't get out an ride. More of a conversation piece seeing a 95 with 25k? The bike never gets ridden.
If you plan to have your brand new Harley stock forever, yes. But nobody does that, so I will get an older one and have lots of fun doing the upgrades by myself. You can do that for a new one, if you are rich or willing to get broke. Thanks for the video, very interesting.
Older bikes have character, the longer you’re on it,the stronger the bond. If you dump a bike every few years that bond is just getting started. JMO
I have my 131 Triglide that I built myself, I put about 11 grand into the build. I like it and it definitely hauls balls but it doesn’t sound like any of the older ones I’ve had. I also have a 2003 cvo screamin eagle 1550 deuce I got it with only 2400 miles on it, I had to put a few chrome parts on it because of putting like mirrors, clutch cover etc. but I absolutely love that bike it sounds fantastic and since it’s a 95 cu with cams from the factory and of course I tuned it with the new pipes I put on it. It hauls ass too so much so I don’t want to do anything else to it. I have a few more things to do to it like cam bearings and a hydraulic cam plate and then it will be golden. I’m just glad I’ve been able to work on anything that burns fuel. Hell I voided my extended Harley warranty two years after I bought the trike.
I still love my 1993 Evo Electra Glide FLHS, got it since 1994 and yes... I put some money into it over the years. But you have a bike with your soul and all the way you want it to be.
98 dyna lowrider! Bought it for $2200 and put $9000 into it. I get u should have just bought a new one all the time but take it back when they see that brand new paint job and 96"s&s stroker motor pull them and all there friends they all get quiet 😂
Yes Sir Now your Talking.smoke em when you got em 😅😅😅😅😅
Who thinks you could buy a new one for $11,200? What year were they saying that? They certainly can't say that now. I don't remember when you could buy a new Dyna for just over $11k since 1998?!
Love where you're taking your channel. Everyone.. ride a bike with a soul. ✌️
I would love an old Harley .. I would love a new Harley .. it doesn’t matter what you ride as long as you ride … price is the only obstacle.. I’m in the uk and an 06 dyna is £10000 a nearly new 2020 softail is £11000 . Both Just out of my range
I bought a 5k 2004 FLHRS & with what I have in it. I'm still 10k under a new Road King. I also recently picked up a 1995 FLHTCUI for $700, thanks to having friends in the service department of my local dealership. I'll put a fair penny into rehabbing it. But I'll still be well under what a brand new Ultra is. I have zero regrets.
I'd rather save an old bike vs give the motor company my money. I'll keep my cash until Zeitz is gone.
good stuff, thanks. I agree with you that your bike is your bike and we make that bike what we want. not what others think it should be. I still have a '66 shovel that was built exactly that way. I also have an M8 that I bought used and I'm doing the same thing with it. The constant idea is, make it your bike or who cares. take care see you next week. Be safe.
Well said, I've been riding Harley since 1982 and still riding. I'm going back to older bikes get the grandkids riding instead stay in the house. Riding 2020 tri glide health reasons.
I have a 2002 Sportster 1200C. When I can no longer safely ride on two wheels, I plan to convert it into a trike.
Agree,I just finished my new but better '02 heritage& yes cost about same.But I wanted numbers matching!Also in past ironhead sportster with 3x value..but pull up to dealer even salesman come out.Didn't intend to spend$$$ but in the end 👍😎
Got my 2017 Dyna Street Bob this past August. Love it and don’t see myself getting rid of it anytime soon. 🤘
That being said, I have around 10 000$ in a 2005 Springer and riding it 8000 miles a year for 5 years now, minimal maintenance yet. A far cry from the price of a new bike.
Went Evo for a number of reasons but mostly because I couldn't afford anything older...
If you want affordable old-school, simplicity, and something dependable to ride, a carbureted EVO is the way to go, currently best bang for the buck, IMHO... I reckon the affordability aspect will soon be a thing of the past.
@mikaelgillberg7555 yes agree most of the Harley's older than Evo's are out of people's price range
my 05 ultraclassic looks good. It sounds good. People comment on how much they like it. I keep it maintained. plus, I'm 72, getting too old.
Ride as long and as much as you can.
I got an 06 heritage and you're absolutely right. I got alot more in it than I can sell it for but I love my bike and don't have any thinking to sell it 👍🦅😎🦅
Fantastic video and thanks for lending some perspective to a decision I was considering. Really appreciate your channel.
Yes, the new bikes do not have a sole. There’s just something very attractive of the older bikes. They’re actually living machines. They have a soul.
The moral of the story is that it’s my money and I’ll spend it the way I want and not feel like I have to give anyone a justification for my spending habits. I’m not in the least interested in a new Harley Davidson but apparently some folks are or Harley wouldn’t be selling them. More power to them as they’ve capitulated to the bureaucrats in the EPA and gone a direction that doesn’t interest me in the slightest but that’s a decision that Harley management and the stockholders had the right to make. I’m truly content with what I’m riding but I’m also thankful for strong aftermarket support that gives me independence from the Motor Company’s less than stellar decisions.
My old saying was I’d rather 3 old bikes than one new one
Not interested in the new Harleys so I'm sticking with my old stuff.
2011 bagger 103, just added Zippers 528 Redshift Cams, Thundermax Tuner, high-output Vance and Hines headers and slipons, K&N Air Filter, Fueling Lifters and new cam chain tensioner shoes from Twin Power. Bike is running awesome and has plenty of power. Don't want or need a new one.
For what you put on just the down payment on a new one you can put a new motor in an older bike or big bore it, turbo it whatever you want
No matter what year your HD is you will put money in it to make it yours. The pre-owned market is always a better deal if you're smart and know what to look for.
It doesn't matter what you ride as long as you ride. american made or metric. The wind still feels the same. I have an 08 roadking. Love it. I plan on building it the way i want it. I can do so without spending a bunch of money at 1 time. I can stretch my .iney out over time to build it without breaking the bank and veing stuck under a long term payment plan. That's the difference between bought and built.
No better words spoken man, I'm still proudly riding my 1993 Fatboy, bought it new, kept it stock all these years except for slip ons and k&n filter
I bought a 2024 Road King Special, it's my first Harley. Sure, I spent a lot on the bike and have spent way too much money on it since. But it sure puts a smile on my face every time I get on it.
Thank you for another great show. Would you consider doing a video on the wiring and guage changes in or around 1996? Also, it would be cool to see the evolution to digital display from the first digital odometer. When was the last harley made with no digital guage of any kind?
I totally agree with you Gixxerfoo, I love the classics. I can buy 6 or 7 used Harleys for the price of a new one. If it gets so bad I can't ride it anymore, just pick up another one. Just ask Scooter Tramp Scotty, he has over 500,000 miles a single Electra Glide.
I have a 1984 FLHTC-2005 Super Glide--2005 Ultra Classic. They all have been modified somewhat and enjoy them immensely however I have 1982 GS 1100E--1983 GS1100E- 1988 V Max and a 1976 KZ900 and enjoy them just as much. Heck just ride what you like whether it be old or new.
I'm very happy with my '98 Sportster, it has about 86,000 Km but it runs nice and I got it cheap... $2200 all in! I probably have another grand in tires and little add ons.
Great Video, we are 100% on the same page. I have 40k in my 2002 95" FXSTDI. It only worth about 6k. Built by me and not bought. And just like you stated, unless they have stage kits and or major engine upgrades in their Milwaukee 8 even the 117,s, I show them tail lights with ease and there ain't nothing they can do about it
I recently bought a 2008 Springer CVO Softail and I'm so friggin happy with it, way more then any of the new models in fun to ride
Thank you So much for the time and research you do.Your the Bomb! I Have to be able to Ride and Repair the The Older H-D I Cant Jusify the Cost of New and Dealer stuff that goes w/ it.Thank you!
When I wanted another Sportster I intentionally went for a rubber mount, carbureted EVO 1200 that I can wrench on as a retirement hobby. New cars, trucks and motorcycles tie you to the stealership and a lot of the newer stuff is disposable by design.
Great video and topic!! I would much rather buy a used Harley. The reason is, I don't have to worry about the warranty. I can build it up the way that I want to.
I had the choice of a 2017 Dyna Street Bob or a 2022 Street Bob last year both 10k very low miles I went with the Dyna and it was worth it I love it
Good choice! 👊
Just bought a 96 fat boy and I absolutely love it!
Totally agree with you but one problem with a older Harley that is if your bike is 5 years older the add on get harder to get or find .
My used 2009 Ultra is my first and only Harley and is why I have kept it. It went from a 96 to 103 and is now a 110. I plan to keep it for a long while.
09 was a pretty big change in everything for the touring bikes. Frame was completely redesigned and a cush drive added to the rear pulley. Those bikes run so smooth. I rode my Buddy's once and couldn't believe the difference between his 09 and my 1998
When presented the opportunity to buy the bike in 2012 I read up a little on the changes. The frame and the wider rear tire were the two things I remember that stood out to me. Thanks for sharing.
Grt8 vlog , I agree with everything you have mentioned , as far as buying an older Harley , there are plenty for sale with mods already , and they just need a bit of love to get them back in shape 😆👍✌
Also , I keep my bike maintained myself and I keep it lookin new, so mine looks great next to a new one.
Just picked up a clean 25k mile 2013 Electra-Glide Ultra Limited mostly stock accept for slipons & Led lights front & rear for what I thought was a good price of $8k. Put in an additional $2,500-3k for a mustang seat,Ultracool fan assist oil cooler,love jugs mity mite smaller version cooling fans,vied adjustable resistors that install in-line with 02 sensors to richen up the lean oem fuel calibration,better breathing k&n air filter,new tires,new front & rear brake pads & fluid flush,new bars,Hayden prim chain tensioner to avoid the oem tensioner possibly over tightening prim chain leading to premature trans bearing/shaft failure,new irridium plugs & plug wires,3 hole oil change using Spectro products specifically designed & formulated for lrg v-twin Hd bikes.Now for now a total of $11k (still under it’s supposed book value!) I have a great dependable bike with no payments not costing me $30-40k for new bike & all the accessories to improve & make it mine to deal with.
Btw,a week after I bought that bike I saw a 1 owner 2,900 mile 2012 Elec GlD ultra classic in like new cond sell for $8,400. Last week I was what looked to be a clean black 2013 Elec GlD ultra limited with only 3,900 miles with asking price of $10k or OBO that’s good buy with low miles in good cond under book value.
But I missed the boat not waiting for that 2012 one owner 2,900 mile rlec GlD ultra classic for $8,400 came along!
Happy motoring!
Started out with an Irohead that I worked on more than I got to ride it. Evo Wide Glide was next, great bike wrecked it and built it back bigger faster and stronger. Then a Twin cam and finally a twin cam air cooled ultra. Evos are my favorite because of the simplicity.
In 2020 I bought a new Heritage Classic with a 114 I took the standard warranty I did not buy extended warranty I never have and I do everything to it myself I'm sure it'll last years and years and run Miles and Miles without that extended warranty😢
I expect to keep my ‘05 Road King as long as I can ride (I am now 77). When I can’t ride it anymore, I will give it to my grandson. I built it my way, then he can build it his way.