I fly a Guru and absolutely love it. But my first few flights I did not. ;) Before that I flew a Zeno - much lighter in brakes but heavier on the rear risers. The Guru on Rear risers is like power steering. Super light pressure! I have found the Guru much more solid especially in the rough and strong stuff compared to the Zeno and it loves to "bite" into the thermals and climbs. Zero flattening or rolling out of the turn tendencies. And I got used to the slightly "harder" brakes soon enough. ;) Great, honest review!
Thank you for sharing your thoughts! Well, the Guru is a CCC glider, and that's a different league. As for the hard brakes - most 2-liners have pretty firm brakes, and I like that. But on the Meru 2, loaded at the top in SM size, they are too hard even for my taste. I even started to feel a little pain in my hands from the tension (I fly with half wraps).
Could you please tell more about difference to Peak 6? So, Peak6 is more agile wing and B-handles have less pressure. Does Peak6 have neutral pitch upon entering the thermik? Is Peak6 stable ("monoblock") as the Meru2?
In essence, the Peak 6 feels much more agile, moves quite a lot, and doesn't feel like a solid block. It tells more about the surrounding air and, in general, reacts more aggressively to turbulence. Loaded at the very top, it tends to violently surge into the strong thermals and needs to be stopped.
Thank you for the early review. I was interested in this glider, so this video was very helpful. You mentioned that the Peak6 has better maneuverability, but how about its performance? Do you think it could be faster or have a better glide ratio than the Peak6?
Glad you found my video helpful! I believe the modern gliders are very close in performance. In fact, they are so close that it's the pilot who makes the difference. If the pilot feels comfortable under a wing and enjoys its handling, they can fly XC faster than with another wing which has 1 km/h more on full bar (except maybe the final glide section on competitions). But back to your question - I haven't compared them side-by-side, so it's hard to tell.
@@dymanoid Thank you for your kind reply. When I asked people around me, they said, ``I haven't noticed any difference in performance compared to the Zeno2.'' When I look at many reviews, I often see things like ``It's obvious that Peak 6 is easier to use than Zeno 2, but the performance of Peak 6 is slightly inferior,'' so I'm concerned about that. I ride the ArtikR and I'm sure the Peak6 will be just as comfortable. Also, when I look at the Zeno2 and Peak6 flying around me, I think that the Peak6 is better because it seems to be easier to fly.
@nao4407 Well, the Zeno 2 is a bit special because it is almost a CCC wing. It indeed outperforms all other wings in the EN-D class. I haven't flown it, so cannot say anything about its comfort. My friends who fly it used to say that every thermal on a Zeno 2 is a punch in the face. I tested the Artik R and can say that it is much easier to fly than the Peak 6. The Artik is also a lot more calm and comfortable.
@@dymanoid That's right, thank you very much. I ride ArtikR and have plenty of time, so even if it's more difficult to ride Peak6, I'm willing to give it a try. You like the Peak6 because you think it's more worth riding than the ArtikR in terms of performance, right?
The brakes should never influence the trailing edge in accelerated flight under any circumstances. Many CCC gliders, Enzo2, 3, Guru will collapse when using brakes in full accelerated flight. The test wing was for sure not set properly (?) OR someone flying it before you set the glider wrongly even though its "forbidden". The second option is sadly quite common - I collaborate as support for pilots who borrow wings in my area. In my experience many shortened the brakes so that they interfere with leading edge in accelerated flight. Even Unexpectedly "experienced" pilots. 2 liners are designed, that taking half wrap or full wrap is mandatory to get comfortable hands position in many cases.
Thank you for your comment. You are absolutely correct about the brakes during accelerated flight. However, the wings won't collapse (even the ones you mentioned) when the brakes are too short. A collapse will happen only if you pull the brakes while on bar, not when you push the bar while on brakes. But anyway, having the trailing edge affected by the brakes while accelerated is a bad state anyway - both from performance and safety aspects. I'm quite sure this wing wasn't adjusted by anyone else but UP themselves because it was a brand new wing in a sealed package. I talked to a UP team pilot, they had the same issue. So it seems UP delivers the Meru 2 configured like that.
@@dymanoid Thx for comment and clarification for readers. I didn't express myself accurately. Full-speed requires braking input for the wing to collapse. Nevertheless, shortened steering seriously compromises stability and performance and is problematic. Sad to hear if the wing comes to you like that, I know the development team and test pilots personally. As responsible and perfectionist they are I am sure they would never allow it to happen.
I cannot imagine there is no reasoning behind it (as it is not the first wing with short brakes we hear about), and thus I'm really curious. Thanks for the review!
Sehr hilfreicher Test u. inhaltsreiche Kommentare. Danke. - Zur falschen Bremseinstellung kann man nur die Erfahrung eines meiner Fliegerfreunde wiederholen: Es wird im Herstellermillieu häufig eher "semiprofessionell" gearbeitet..... leider.
Ich weiß leider nicht ganz genau, ob es so gewollt ist oder ob es sich um einen Fehler handelt. Normalerweise schrumpfen die Bremsleinen in den ersten 20-30 Stunden um bis zu 3 cm, was die Situation hier noch schlimmer machen könnte. Ich würde auf jeden Fall die Bremsen bei diesem Schirm um 7-10 cm verlängern wollen.
I also prefer rather short brakes, but not when they are too short and too firm. I don't think the half-wrap technique is any dangerous. Whether it's comfortable or not depends on the personal preferences, I think. I'm totally comfy with that.
You have a very convincing voice and just the right level of comments on what you experienced. Makes me wanna see more. Big tombs up!👍
Thanks for your feedback! A convincing voice could be helpful for a sales person 😅 Glad you liked my video!
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Superb short review of the wing! This is how it should be done!
I fly a Guru and absolutely love it. But my first few flights I did not. ;) Before that I flew a Zeno - much lighter in brakes but heavier on the rear risers. The Guru on Rear risers is like power steering. Super light pressure! I have found the Guru much more solid especially in the rough and strong stuff compared to the Zeno and it loves to "bite" into the thermals and climbs. Zero flattening or rolling out of the turn tendencies. And I got used to the slightly "harder" brakes soon enough. ;) Great, honest review!
Thank you for sharing your thoughts! Well, the Guru is a CCC glider, and that's a different league. As for the hard brakes - most 2-liners have pretty firm brakes, and I like that. But on the Meru 2, loaded at the top in SM size, they are too hard even for my taste. I even started to feel a little pain in my hands from the tension (I fly with half wraps).
Could you please tell more about difference to Peak 6?
So, Peak6 is more agile wing and B-handles have less pressure.
Does Peak6 have neutral pitch upon entering the thermik?
Is Peak6 stable ("monoblock") as the Meru2?
In essence, the Peak 6 feels much more agile, moves quite a lot, and doesn't feel like a solid block. It tells more about the surrounding air and, in general, reacts more aggressively to turbulence. Loaded at the very top, it tends to violently surge into the strong thermals and needs to be stopped.
Thank you for the early review. I was interested in this glider, so this video was very helpful. You mentioned that the Peak6 has better maneuverability, but how about its performance? Do you think it could be faster or have a better glide ratio than the Peak6?
Glad you found my video helpful! I believe the modern gliders are very close in performance. In fact, they are so close that it's the pilot who makes the difference. If the pilot feels comfortable under a wing and enjoys its handling, they can fly XC faster than with another wing which has 1 km/h more on full bar (except maybe the final glide section on competitions). But back to your question - I haven't compared them side-by-side, so it's hard to tell.
@@dymanoid Thank you for your kind reply. When I asked people around me, they said, ``I haven't noticed any difference in performance compared to the Zeno2.'' When I look at many reviews, I often see things like ``It's obvious that Peak 6 is easier to use than Zeno 2, but the performance of Peak 6 is slightly inferior,'' so I'm concerned about that. I ride the ArtikR and I'm sure the Peak6 will be just as comfortable. Also, when I look at the Zeno2 and Peak6 flying around me, I think that the Peak6 is better because it seems to be easier to fly.
@nao4407 Well, the Zeno 2 is a bit special because it is almost a CCC wing. It indeed outperforms all other wings in the EN-D class. I haven't flown it, so cannot say anything about its comfort. My friends who fly it used to say that every thermal on a Zeno 2 is a punch in the face.
I tested the Artik R and can say that it is much easier to fly than the Peak 6. The Artik is also a lot more calm and comfortable.
@@dymanoid That's right, thank you very much. I ride ArtikR and have plenty of time, so even if it's more difficult to ride Peak6, I'm willing to give it a try. You like the Peak6 because you think it's more worth riding than the ArtikR in terms of performance, right?
The brakes should never influence the trailing edge in accelerated flight under any circumstances. Many CCC gliders, Enzo2, 3, Guru will collapse when using brakes in full accelerated flight.
The test wing was for sure not set properly (?) OR someone flying it before you set the glider wrongly even though its "forbidden". The second option is sadly quite common - I collaborate as support for pilots who borrow wings in my area. In my experience many shortened the brakes so that they interfere with leading edge in accelerated flight. Even Unexpectedly "experienced" pilots.
2 liners are designed, that taking half wrap or full wrap is mandatory to get comfortable hands position in many cases.
Thank you for your comment. You are absolutely correct about the brakes during accelerated flight. However, the wings won't collapse (even the ones you mentioned) when the brakes are too short. A collapse will happen only if you pull the brakes while on bar, not when you push the bar while on brakes. But anyway, having the trailing edge affected by the brakes while accelerated is a bad state anyway - both from performance and safety aspects.
I'm quite sure this wing wasn't adjusted by anyone else but UP themselves because it was a brand new wing in a sealed package. I talked to a UP team pilot, they had the same issue. So it seems UP delivers the Meru 2 configured like that.
@@dymanoid Thx for comment and clarification for readers.
I didn't express myself accurately. Full-speed requires braking input for the wing to collapse. Nevertheless, shortened steering seriously compromises stability and performance and is problematic.
Sad to hear if the wing comes to you like that, I know the development team and test pilots personally. As responsible and perfectionist they are I am sure they would never allow it to happen.
I cannot imagine there is no reasoning behind it (as it is not the first wing with short brakes we hear about), and thus I'm really curious. Thanks for the review!
Sehr hilfreicher Test u. inhaltsreiche Kommentare. Danke. - Zur falschen Bremseinstellung kann man nur die Erfahrung eines meiner Fliegerfreunde wiederholen: Es wird im Herstellermillieu häufig eher "semiprofessionell" gearbeitet..... leider.
Ich weiß leider nicht ganz genau, ob es so gewollt ist oder ob es sich um einen Fehler handelt. Normalerweise schrumpfen die Bremsleinen in den ersten 20-30 Stunden um bis zu 3 cm, was die Situation hier noch schlimmer machen könnte. Ich würde auf jeden Fall die Bremsen bei diesem Schirm um 7-10 cm verlängern wollen.
Exact !!
I love wings with short breaks. Wrap is dangerous and uncomfortable.
I also prefer rather short brakes, but not when they are too short and too firm. I don't think the half-wrap technique is any dangerous. Whether it's comfortable or not depends on the personal preferences, I think. I'm totally comfy with that.
@@dymanoid I shorten the brakes of all my gliders. This stupid nonsense must stop.