He picked the saints to go to the Super Bowl this year and of course he was worng again his reason was because they are in an easy division ? Guy brings absolutely nothing to the he show
2011 mavs was the best/hardest road to the chip ever…Dirk was getting old, and took senior citizens to the finals and beat Kobe’s lakers, the baby big three in okc and beat Lebron, dwade and bosh in the finals, their is no harder road then that put some respect on it
Katt Williams said it best: “To be confident and not delusional is a real skill.” Keyshawn looking like he is thinking might be an allusion from a delusional man.
With all due respect Skip doesn’t deserve Rachel Nichols. She should be on one of the best shows or best podcast out here. True vet and legend in the game
It wasn't that big of an upset. A 57-25 team (in a stronger conference) beating a 58-24 team isn't that big of a deal. People that worship Lebron are the folks that thought it was some sort of huge upset. Mavs were easily the better team.
@@Damianoutlaw yes it was look at the teams from the eastern conference and compare it to the west besides Boston what other teams was competing with Miami
@2shanes_12 what in the world are you talking about???? The 2011 mavs, spurs and lakers would have all wiped the floor with Miami or any other team that came out of the Leastern conference. The only reason Miami had a better record than Dallas by one game is that they played in a much weaker conference.
Kyrie was good. He was thrown under the bus by the league for posting a link of a book. The league was graceful what they made him go thru. The Mee2 him after Kanye. He left Boston because he is a NYer and able to go to Brooklyn with KD.
Kyrie was much more immature back then. I’m sure he’s not worried about all the things the picture the media trying to paint. He found his purpose, he’s a better leader and spreading nothing but positivity. I’m sure when he see Tatum and brown on the court Thursday he will give them a hug tell them let’s have a good finals. Media tryna paint this narrative about Luka and porzingiz and kyrie and Boston just to make it an exciting finals.
Sometimes Kyrie Irving , expect people to have the same dedication to the project that you do, however, it is not always the case. He cannot expect the same enthusiasm from people who do not necessarily support or understand your direction or purpose. He need to try to be more sensitive to others and adopt a realistic approach when it comes of delegating authority and plaguing as a team but Boston Celtics the nba finals there way more talented , bigger, greater chemistry this is a Kyrie and Luka Doncic series vs Jaylen brown , Jayson and Kristap this series nba finals 2024 will be the one with ages ❤ thank you god for giving me the chance to watch this game amen
So I used to like Kyrie back in the day. I lived in Ohio when him and bron came back against golden state. Then I moved to Boston and was excited when they announced Celtics were trading for him and I was already bullish on Brown and Tatum at that time. But then Kyrie promised he would resign and when he didn't, he then lit sage on our court and stomped on our logo. Celtics fans don't forget that stuff easily, but am looking forward to this series and best wishes for good positive sportsmanship in the spirit of the game!
Celtics fans don't back down in booing Kyrie in the Garden. Kyrie is just playing mind games to y'all. The fans will be the big difference in this series..
History lesson, fans will continue to hate on an opposing player until after all is said and done, Kyrie will be respected by all Teams because of his greatness entertaining us with his masterful skills and clutch performances. He has always been box office and entertaining to watch.
Rachel is the top class of sports analysts. She impresses with thoughtfulness, knowledge, excellent communication skills… So impressive compared to what has become the norm these days.
These comments sounds like children......There's a reason Keyshawn has been on the show more than anyone, who was supposed to be. He makes valid points!!!!
I think we’re forgetting. The Dirk mavericks 2012 mavericks championship run. They beat Kobe lakers in the semifinals. Then beat Okc young team with KD Russ Harden in the west finals. And then beat Lebron wade bosh heat team in the finals
I don’t understand how they can say Kyrie is the reason they got to the finals. Luka is the best player in the league and Cleveland was in the lottery when he was the only guy. I’d say 40% luka, 20% kyrie, 40% jkidd and role players.
Whe. KYRIE got to Cleveland he was ballin but his team was trash. Alot of players don't want to come to Cleveland. It's that simple. Luka had a better supporting cast the last 5 years but he needed a Kyrie to get to the chip
What did he do in Brooklyn ? He didn’t wanna get a Covid shot and he stuck to his beliefs and it all paid off for him bc while a lot of other players got the shots kyrie held out stuck to what he believed and didn’t have to get a shot and is still in the league. After the league tried to force players to get the shot
@@Litcentral09 his teammates made that sacrifice that Kyrie didn’t when he wanted to come to Brooklyn. regardless if they believe in that vaccine stuff or not. did anyone die? did anyone collapse faint and had a heart attack or suffer cardiac arrest? no, just like all the republicans believed so. a joke nonetheless.
@@theblinkerxKyrie taking personal time away and making his own personal decisions over the team is his blame tho let's stop trynna forget that happened.
Notice they have to try to downplay Luka whenever they praise Kyrie. Why can't both of em just be great? Luka is much more than just a part of it, stop it.
Uhhh Dirk taking out the whole West Coast then beating the heatless was probably the bear finals run. Lemarcus Aldridge and Brandon Roy were never the same
So kyrie gets a pass for playing on a bad team??? Luka didn't even get a pass for bringing a bad team to the wcf finals 2 years ago😂😂😂. Kyrie needs a luka to make it easy on him. No defense will focus on kyrie with a luka team
I like key what’s all the hate for he does interrupt but skip does the same too and im tryin to see where he doesn’t know what he’s talking about cuz he has good intellect and valid points
@@TyYes-qc2ip no there praising him cause he winning if he would have lost they wouldn’t even talk about him no matter what he say in a press conference
It's not as simple as that, obviously that's how he felt at the time when he said that, and then when he saw how he was being treated after the bucks series he realized that they didn't want him so he left
@@jonnstewart2023yup it was suppose to be HIS team but after him and Gordon got injured, Tatum and Brown pretty much wanted the spotlight more. That’s per GH on a podcast too.
So who else is to blame, the coach? Obviously because what did they say in Brooklyn, undermining the HC Steve the great Nash. Y’all forget that? He is immature PERIOD
He wiped his shoes on the logo. That organization never wronged him in any way to receive that insult. This cast always trying to make excuses for everything people do wrong.
Well.. this age Kyrie or that age Kyrie still wouldn’t get vaccinated and yall would still bash him for it and call him immature and whatever to make him sound crazy
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They really said they played boston, before dallas had this line up, but as far as i remember PJ washington and Gafford played in the game against the Celtics on March 1st 2024. And another thing they really said billups is the only HOFer on that 04' pistons team when Ben wallace exists. I'm confident that they never fact check anything anymore, and just say what the media wants to hear.
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Kyrie needs to be on the Olympics team and he belongs in the TOP 75 ALL TIME BEST
Smh....I can't listen to Keyshawn. He talks over everybody and often sounds like he's making it up as he goes.
Draining me too
It's high volume improvising
Bro he is like a Karen
He’s the worst. Makes the show unwatchable
😂😂
I just skip to the comments to see the Keyshawn slander he's wrong about every topic and it's hilarious
Glazing
He picked the saints to go to the Super Bowl this year and of course he was worng again his reason was because they are in an easy division ? Guy brings absolutely nothing to the he show
I agree, I think it's unfair, he does have quite a few great takes and like sure he is not perfect, but give him some time lol I mean come on
Ya the ppl in the comments have worse takes than him 😂
@@123shoshanAnd he's supposed to know football. It doesn't appear that he does much prep for the show. Just a lot of thinking out loud.
You can tell Rachel is tired of Key interruptions at 15:10 😂
Key needs to be fired but FS1 will ride him until the end of the season. I wonder if they are going to force Skip into retirement.
Yo he does that every segment , nobody can get a point out with him. I thought I was the only one to notice
Idiot u r
She also talks absolute drivel
More like at 15:37. He tried to interrupt her again and she wasn't having it. Lol.
Billups and Ben Wallace are both Hall of Famers from that 2004 pistons team
2011 mavs was the best/hardest road to the chip ever…Dirk was getting old, and took senior citizens to the finals and beat Kobe’s lakers, the baby big three in okc and beat Lebron, dwade and bosh in the finals, their is no harder road then that put some respect on it
As a Celtics fan, I cheered for that Dallas team.
@@Knyghtrida you know it's never too late haha
@@Knyghtridasame way yours is being rooted against this year - normal
NOPE
who else fast forwards when Key starts talking?
Scratching my head, how is this even possible. If he can be sports news guy, I can be an astronaut.
@@kristijanradovac43for real his part is the one I skip over lol
@@kristijanradovac43you can be whatever you want if you put your mind to it
Who else thinks the show needs to be canceled
He is worse than nails scratching a board. He is out of touch & his basketball knowledge is poor
My god keyshawn talk too much
Rachel is a good reporter ❤
Bro you just think she’s hot.. stop simping lol
Naw shes deadass the best female host. Actually knows her shit@@thealisterr
Much better than Sherman awkwardly sitting there chiming in with his weird deep voice.
@thealister171 you sound like a beta dusty
Can somebody let these 3 know that Ben Wallace is in the HOF? 🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️
Just about to post this. HOF, 4 dpoy
First and only undrafted player to make the HOF
Undisputed yall gotta do better 🤦🏾♂️
They had a chance to do better, but Skip made Shannon leave.
@@soapboxmomentsinc.1044yeah chose to disrespect Shannon over his praise of Tom Brady
Keyshawn always talks defensively. Even if he’s agreeing with Skip or whoever it sounds defensive. 😂
FACTS!!!!
Its annoying keyshawn acts like he's about to say something good cause he looks like he's thinking, yet it's pure BS.
Lol who would you rather have Kendrick Perkins?
@@tmoney4204give me max kellerman
Katt Williams said it best: “To be confident and not delusional is a real skill.” Keyshawn looking like he is thinking might be an allusion from a delusional man.
usually what foolish people do!
😂😂😂
Keyshawn man, dude is a special case.
Like you can do a better job in your mama basement 😂😂😂
@@23293 I'm willing to bet half the people from this comments section can do a better job than Keyshawn when it comes to talking basketball
@@23293I can join the undisputed team from my moms basement and talk better mavs ball than him.
@@23293Keshawn is dumber than a pile of rocks.
Why does Keyshawn always have need to get loud and overtalk Skip and Rachel? This isn't even controversial.
We think his job is to bait out arguments not debate or even analyze the game
key's way of talking genuinely hurts to listen to man... he needs debate training asap
Correct. He needs training.
HE REALLY DOES. I LIKE KEY AS A PERSON BUT TO HERE HIM TALK REMINDS ME ARIES SPEARS GETTING ON CHARLES BARKLEY. LOL
this what happens when you put dummies on TV! these dudes be meat heads portraying themselves as educated folks!
@@williamdaniels4013why in all caps lol
Detroit of 2004 had the best defense of the NBA and one of the best in History. Oh and Ben Wallace is a Hall of Famer too
Out of all the women I really listen to Rachel’s opinion
Why
@@juliousmcneese6231cuz she sucked Jimmy Butler off
Not!
She’s makes a lot more sense then Keyshawn
Easily the best between her and the gals at espn
Rachel is legit.. ESPN blew it
She is an amazing analyst, its a crime she dont have her own show anymore
Love Rachel ❤️
Keep it up this show is becoming very enjoyable
How wasn’t the Mavs beating the Heat in 2011 not an upset?!? lol it’s hard to take any of these ppl serious
We both know why lol. Because it was more of “Lebron melted down” than “congrats to the Mavs for winning”. People just hate Lebron unfortunately
I hate LeBron. But because the records where almost identical and Dallas run through the West was harder than Year 1 Miami's
A 57-25 team beating a 58-24 team in the Finals is not that big of an upset.
@@Damianoutlawpretty much. Not an upset. Both were winning teams.
I’m so happy Rachel got the gig… she got the short end of the stick at ESPN
Who cares… there’s all talking heads and you better say what we tell you…
Rambling wind bag
yeah they are all shills for the money changers
She has no style. Annoying af she is!
Someone in the media HAS to ask Kyrie if he still thinks the earth is flat.
Get a life bro ,go out,get a girlfriend or something ... who cares ,he is bb player ,why is it important to you 😂😂😂
@@RisitasKEKW You are lost ,find God not girlfriend, that was my mistake ,you crayyyy xDD
Lolumadbro?
@@Sr.Princip why do you care?
Facts😂
The Lakers ain't "America's Team" they're the "Media's Team" 🙄
With all due respect Skip doesn’t deserve Rachel Nichols. She should be on one of the best shows or best podcast out here. True vet and legend in the game
🤔🤨
Y’all overrate her. She looks good. That’s it….relax
Bruh Rachel is great but Skip is one of the best in the the game at creating these kinds of shows. Tbh I only know Rachel for the Jimmy interview lol
This show better than Steven a smith….. Al day wtf u even talking about?! She alright I rather have Paul pierce chopping it up than her!
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Why yall on Keyshawn? He’s a football player and transition to talking both that’s special and extremely hard
Exactly and watching this seg skip interrupts Rachael too but key has valid points tho I don’t get where fans says he’s wrong at
Rachaels is the best female host across all of these sports shows
I know skip has gotten a lot of hate over the years but he’s everything you would want in a journalist. Great job skip 🫡
Kyries got no one to blame but himself for his time on the Celtics same goes for Brooklyn
Media and a stupid vax mandate ruined his time in Brooklyn
How can they not mention dirks championship run as an upset when he beat the star studded Miami heat team
It wasn't that big of an upset. A 57-25 team (in a stronger conference) beating a 58-24 team isn't that big of a deal. People that worship Lebron are the folks that thought it was some sort of huge upset. Mavs were easily the better team.
@@Damianoutlaw yes it was look at the teams from the eastern conference and compare it to the west besides Boston what other teams was competing with Miami
@@Damianoutlaw and I don’t like lebron at all but cmon man an old mavs team against a prime wade, bosh and lebron it’s common sense
@2shanes_12 what in the world are you talking about????
The 2011 mavs, spurs and lakers would have all wiped the floor with Miami or any other team that came out of the Leastern conference.
The only reason Miami had a better record than Dallas by one game is that they played in a much weaker conference.
@@Damianoutlaw thank you for making my point! That’s why this is such a huge upset because the mavs had to overcome more of a challenge!
14:00 Ben Wallace is the only Hall of Famer on that 2004 Detroit Team as of this moment.
I see Rachel, I click.
So Dallas defeated Miami isn't one of the biggest upsets ever? Lol
Keyshawn do better. Let Rachel talk.
Kyrie was good. He was thrown under the bus by the league for posting a link of a book. The league was graceful what they made him go thru. The Mee2 him after Kanye. He left Boston because he is a NYer and able to go to Brooklyn with KD.
Kyrie was much more immature back then. I’m sure he’s not worried about all the things the picture the media trying to paint. He found his purpose, he’s a better leader and spreading nothing but positivity. I’m sure when he see Tatum and brown on the court Thursday he will give them a hug tell them let’s have a good finals. Media tryna paint this narrative about Luka and porzingiz and kyrie and Boston just to make it an exciting finals.
He will cook Boston. They ain't ready for finals Kyrie.
@@ricardoalvarez8415😂 Love your confidence man. He’s cooking Cs so hard that he lost to them 10 straight.
Let’s go Celtics!!!!!!!!!!!🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀
It's the Celtic fans that have an issue with Kyrie, not the guys he played with that are on the current Celtics team i.e. JT & JB
@@iloveit7301 on me
Keyshawn needs his own show. This cat is deep.
Real ones know you can’t deny Ky talent and know he leading, putting his stamp on the game
I haven’t watched this show a lot but I realized how much I missed Rachel, she is so good when she talks NBA
Just give us Rachel and Skip Bayless pls
2011 Mavericks did a great job too. And repeat.😊
Why is Keyshawn so damn loud ‼️
Sometimes Kyrie Irving , expect people to have the same dedication to the project that you do, however, it is not always the case. He cannot expect the same enthusiasm from people who do not necessarily support or understand your direction or purpose. He need to try to be more sensitive to others and adopt a realistic approach when it comes of delegating authority and plaguing as a team but Boston Celtics the nba finals there way more talented , bigger, greater chemistry this is a Kyrie and Luka Doncic series vs Jaylen brown , Jayson and Kristap this series nba finals 2024 will be the one with ages ❤ thank you god for giving me the chance to watch this game amen
Well put by the lady...👏🏾💯💐
Is undisputed crashing out or something? How is Keyshawn Johnson still on this show?
Cant they substitute Keyshawn when talking basketball?🤔🙏
May not be a reflection of who he is NOW, but it is exactly who he was THEN, and probably will be again!
So I used to like Kyrie back in the day. I lived in Ohio when him and bron came back against golden state. Then I moved to Boston and was excited when they announced Celtics were trading for him and I was already bullish on Brown and Tatum at that time.
But then Kyrie promised he would resign and when he didn't, he then lit sage on our court and stomped on our logo. Celtics fans don't forget that stuff easily, but am looking forward to this series and best wishes for good positive sportsmanship in the spirit of the game!
Celtics fans don't back down in booing Kyrie in the Garden. Kyrie is just playing mind games to y'all.
The fans will be the big difference in this series..
History lesson, fans will continue to hate on an opposing player until after all is said and done, Kyrie will be respected by all Teams because of his greatness entertaining us with his masterful skills and clutch performances. He has always been box office and entertaining to watch.
Rachel is the top class of sports analysts. She impresses with thoughtfulness, knowledge, excellent communication skills… So impressive compared to what has become the norm these days.
😂😂
Mavericks upsetting the heat is a bigger upset
The fans aren't mad that he left. We wanted him to leave. We were better without him. Plus, all the disrespectful stuff he did
These comments sounds like children......There's a reason Keyshawn has been on the show more than anyone, who was supposed to be. He makes valid points!!!!
I think we’re forgetting. The Dirk mavericks 2012 mavericks championship run. They beat Kobe lakers in the semifinals. Then beat Okc young team with KD Russ Harden in the west finals. And then beat Lebron wade bosh heat team in the finals
I don’t understand how they can say Kyrie is the reason they got to the finals. Luka is the best player in the league and Cleveland was in the lottery when he was the only guy. I’d say 40% luka, 20% kyrie, 40% jkidd and role players.
It should be phrased “the Mavs don’t make the finals without kyrie on the team”. That is 💯
Whe. KYRIE got to Cleveland he was ballin but his team was trash. Alot of players don't want to come to Cleveland. It's that simple. Luka had a better supporting cast the last 5 years but he needed a Kyrie to get to the chip
Oh, so....was Brooklyn a "misrepresentation" too? 👀
What did he do in Brooklyn ? He didn’t wanna get a Covid shot and he stuck to his beliefs and it all paid off for him bc while a lot of other players got the shots kyrie held out stuck to what he believed and didn’t have to get a shot and is still in the league. After the league tried to force players to get the shot
The owner attempted to sabotage Kyrie’s reputation based on false accusations. Goodluck on getting a big time free agent to ever sign there again
@@Litcentral09 his teammates made that sacrifice that Kyrie didn’t when he wanted to come to Brooklyn. regardless if they believe in that vaccine stuff or not. did anyone die? did anyone collapse faint and had a heart attack or suffer cardiac arrest? no, just like all the republicans believed so. a joke nonetheless.
@@theblinkerxKyrie taking personal time away and making his own personal decisions over the team is his blame tho let's stop trynna forget that happened.
@@Samuel-eo1pjyou can’t tell a man how to handle death In The family
After detroit 04
It's Dallas over lebron heat actually as a upset
Not if you look at Vegas odds. At the end of the day a 57-25 team beat a 58-24 team in the finals. Not that big of an upset
Ky is playing media gymnastics with these folks. A true OPI
NBA the most competitive basketball league they made it that way 💯
Notice they have to try to downplay Luka whenever they praise Kyrie. Why can't both of em just be great? Luka is much more than just a part of it, stop it.
So nice when u can skip everything Keyshawn says and its a 10/10 show
Uhhh Dirk taking out the whole West Coast then beating the heatless was probably the bear finals run. Lemarcus Aldridge and Brandon Roy were never the same
There’s one intelligent, clear, nuanced thinker on this panel. Guess who she is.
Did anyone notice that Skip had less airtime? Keyshawn dominated the show. This should not have happened.
Big Ben is a hall of famer!! The best undrafted player in nba history.
Ben Wallace is also a hall of famer from that Detroit team that beat the Lakers.
So kyrie gets a pass for playing on a bad team??? Luka didn't even get a pass for bringing a bad team to the wcf finals 2 years ago😂😂😂. Kyrie needs a luka to make it easy on him. No defense will focus on kyrie with a luka team
Low Key said he don’t know who Americas basketball team is but calls his self a Laker is crazy.
I like key what’s all the hate for he does interrupt but skip does the same too and im tryin to see where he doesn’t know what he’s talking about cuz he has good intellect and valid points
Kyrie still did not apologize!
I ❤ Keyshawn
He said that about flicking the fans off not his whole tenure on that team, here the media goes twisting his words lol
Keyshawn thinks there is 40 teams in the NBA 🤦🏿♂️
can someone please have a talk with Keyshawn about his wardrobe? after the quality of his comments of course,
Yeah they need to get Paul and Rachel in for Key since all we talking is NBA for the next 2 weeks
What a shame ESPN let go of Nichols…
I will never forgive Boston for what they did to IT ! 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🖕🏾
This
Anytime a player says "i see myself being here long term, i love the organization and the fans" when free agency is coming up, 10/10 they areleaving 😂
Man he’s 32 showing character growth why are y’all praising him
Cause they spent so much time hating on him
@@TyYes-qc2ip no there praising him cause he winning if he would have lost they wouldn’t even talk about him no matter what he say in a press conference
Kyrie should have kept it real & not tell the Boston crowd that “ I will Re-sign if you have me back”
It's not as simple as that, obviously that's how he felt at the time when he said that, and then when he saw how he was being treated after the bucks series he realized that they didn't want him so he left
@@jonnstewart2023thank you
@@jonnstewart2023yup it was suppose to be HIS team but after him and Gordon got injured, Tatum and Brown pretty much wanted the spotlight more. That’s per GH on a podcast too.
@@jonnstewart2023he shot 25-83 overall and 5-27 from threes and a -57 the last 4 games of the series, all losses. He had already quit
@@guabz9567 Thank you very much that’s the answer I was looking for. But now he wants to be efficient with the Mavericks instead of with KD Smh
Ben Wallace was HOF also . Sheed close
I’ve only listened to Skip since Shannon left, I fast forward through everyone else
Instead of Admitting The Were Wrong , Now Kyrie is All of a Sudden " DEEP SMART " Overnight
So who else is to blame, the coach? Obviously because what did they say in Brooklyn, undermining the HC Steve the great Nash. Y’all forget that? He is immature PERIOD
Well, Rachel, I think the fans were always on Kyrie Irving side. The thing is, the media was not.
Bro get Key off of basketball topics
Kyrie got that Rich Spirit Broke Phone..Don't make me turn you into a song energy
Why aren’t they mentioning the 2011 Dallas Mavs knocking off the Miami Heat that to me was the biggest upset in Finals history
It’s like the 7th biggest upset if you look at Vegas odds. A 57-25 team beating a 58-24 team is not that big of an upset.
Ben Wallace is a hof player and Billips is one as well now
Skip is the sports talk Maury, he gonna ride this show wheels ragged
He wiped his shoes on the logo. That organization never wronged him in any way to receive that insult. This cast always trying to make excuses for everything people do wrong.
Nobody watch the wnba for rebounds 🤣😂😭
Well.. this age Kyrie or that age Kyrie still wouldn’t get vaccinated and yall would still bash him for it and call him immature and whatever to make him sound crazy
Still remember it's A good thing Fox headquarters and Skip BAYLESS 2 convince us to watch I love ur team thankful for everything 💗 u
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Love watching these young athletes grow and mature into men
You act as if that’s some great feat. That’s what your supposed to do yet so few do 🙄
Never thought I’d be saying this, but I miss Paul Pierce
Why nobody talking about 2011 heat-mavs, i think that was the biggest upset in nba finals history by a wide margin
They really said they played boston, before dallas had this line up, but as far as i remember PJ washington and Gafford played in the game against the Celtics on March 1st 2024.
And another thing they really said billups is the only HOFer on that 04' pistons team when Ben wallace exists. I'm confident that they never fact check anything anymore, and just say what the media wants to hear.