Very good review. Ive got Cornwall IVs amplified by tubes, and a pair of REL 212sx's, and your description of the strengths & limitations of the Forte IV hold equally true with my speakers.
Your review gave me good 'chills' ! I have the Forte 4's paired with a Willsenton R8 in my smallish 18x24' dedicated space and I could not be happier ! They are joined by a pair of Martin Logan Classic 9 ESLs with all Parasound gear as an alternative system. Thanks again for such a great and HONEST review and so glad you kept that pair for yourself, they look great in the 'great' room 👍
Recently and I feel very lucky I obtained two pair .. of the Klipsch 4K model 3. New in the box grade A.. apparently they've been sitting hiding in a warehouse since 2017. Without anyone really knowing that they existed.. and I asked a certain retailer about them.. he scoured his inventory and voila. Receive them 2 weeks ago and are they wonderful. American Walnut with Lamb's wool coats.. all four speakers are in sequence.. and the price for the forte model 3 new in their boxes 8th grade.. was a genuine gift thank you so much..
Klipsch brought me out of the audiophile doldrums last year. Oh, I still have my Focals and LS3/5a among others , but man my HeresyIV’s on tubes with subs… I’m happy again.
Good to hear and Interesting, what do you think they bring over your other speakers? I have recently done the same with a pair of horns, the JBL 4367 and moved away from traditional audiophile stuff. I demoed the Cornwall IV and Forte before buying the JBLs. I feel the JBLs are more refined (smoother with less box/cone noise etc) and crazy dynamic. I feel is the best of both worlds as it does the audiophile refinement with slam at all frequent and bass texture many speakers lack. They are a lot more money but worth seeking out if you can find a deal. The bass detail is so good I lowered the highpass on my JL subs down from 60hz to 40hz because the 4367 is out performing them at 40-60hz with more detail. So yes horns have changed my option on what is important. Dynamics have moved to the top of my list.
Thank you for this honest informative review. I have a chance to buy a pair of 1 year old IV's from my brother in law for about $2k USD so I appreciate your "earview" of them.
Thanks for the review. I do believe I'm getting them. I just got my first HiFi system in more than 30 years. It was a close call between Sonus Faber , Klipsch Forte and Martin Logan Motion, but I settled for the Sonus Faber, but I miss the Forte's they had "that" sound and fun. I think I'll move the Sonus Faber upstairs and use the Forte's in my man cave.
I have the fortes, I like them, but very different from the totems (totems are more 3-D sounding) that I have. They definitely have a vibe, and if would ever replace them, it would probably be with the bigger heritage speakers.
I found a 3/4 watt 1626 Darling tube amplifier on my local Craigslist for $200. Hooked it up to my 1996 Forte II with a 50 year old McIntosh C26 preamplifier and streaming Tidal MQA on a Bluesound and the sound is amazing!
I have the Heresy IV, and they have the qualities of dynamism and excellent, excellent, for low-volume listening... but I'm yearning for the big TALL soundstage, so I'll be trading in the Heresy for the Forte IV.
Thank you for the detailed and informative review. I’m considering purchasing a pair to replace my 24 year old Dynaudio T 2.5’s. The darker stand mounted speaker looks like a Dynaudio special 25. How do they compare to the Forte fours? Thanks for your time.
I love my cheap HS8 for record listening too (not just for critical, flat, neutral studio use)… but dream of Klipsch one day. Would Forte or Cornwall be a considerable upgrade, difference, change for the better?
Were ya using the Leben as a pre-amp or direct amp to speaker? or which amp were you using in addition.? And how does one procure the Leben? I saw Tone imports is their listed retailer, but their website does not elaborate.
I use it as an integrated amp with just a streamer/DAC going into it. Yes they are imported by Tone Imports who then distributes them to a dealer network. I'm sure if you reach out to them, they could point you in the right direction to some of their dealers.
Great review, funny...I came close to the same conclusions but by using poor man's versions of the types of amps you mentioned. Ulimately though I kept my class A Vincent hybrid amp and sold my Decware tube SET and Yamaha AS2200. Loving these with classic rock though cause I can't do without it, some is recorded better than others, and my Wharfedale Lintons just didn't rock loud enough. With the Vincent, I'm happy listening to an old Marantz FM tuner or a nice R2R or tube dac as it just gives such pleasant soft but weighty presense to music without the overbearing upper mids and highs. They are still not particulary forgiving but certainly are amazing and a good choice if you can only have one set of speakers that can do it all (much more impressive than my Kef and Wharefedales and sounds like can compete even with much more expensive speakers in many ways)
@@allenwilliams8962 yes, that's correct...I much preferred the character (added bass weight and sweeter more forgiving mids and highs).The Decware's mids and highs ran me out of the room on many songs that sound just fine on the Vincent. Always had to turn it down whereas the Vincent makes me want to turn the music up. Also found the Forte's love the 140 watts even though they are efficient. I'd imagine the better the class A amp, the better the Forte's sound
Heard… Somewhere Down the Crazy River” by Robbie Robertson, on these speakers… Wow! It is entirely possible a very high-quality tube amp, like the Leben, might be the perfect mate for the Fortes. Softer sound tendencies mated with a potentially slightly bright speaker. Btw, that Dan Patlansky song doesn’t sound acoustic, more like an electric Strat
I would try some John Fahey if you like acoustic. I’m on day 2 and Radiohead killed, especially OK, In Rainbows especially. Put on the 2018(?) White Lp remaster and I’ve never heard these album like that. Joe Jackson’s ‘Stepping Out’. I think I need a bit more control on eq but I’m digging it day 2. I may need to treat my corners. Loving it in a 16 x 28 ft. foot run.
Acquaintances of mine who had never thought before that I would be smoking the good stuff.. call FedEx come up to the house and bring in four of these... Now understandably for I thought why not just six so that's what was done and then to finish the surround sound setup for the other three speakers I brought in 3 have some really fun same model right left in the center good towers still haven't decided yet whether I really need subs but you never know even if the subs are just perfect to put that punch in the bottom end of what you're listening to without blowing the room up and vibrating the nails out of the foundation of your house..
Funny I’m considering these and that why I am here and I currently have the Heritage specials, I know they are different but curious what you prefer to listen to?
@@TriAmpHiFi Perhaps. But please elaborate your direct experience with these speakers and how the height of the tweeter has such a positive or negative impact on the sound that would necessitate calling it out.
No disrespect to Klipsch lovers, but nothing I've ever heard from Klipsch, including the entire Heritage series, did it for me. I'm not sure why - they just sound boring next to my ADS 1230s which I've had for over 40 years. A couple years ago, I heard a used pair of the discontinued Chorus (similar in size and drivers to the Forte) in a local audio store (Just Audio). Again, my reaction was meh. I heard an a/b of the Cornwalls against my ADS 1230s. No contest. I've wanted to like Klipsch but have never been able to get there. To each his own.
It's funny how everybody mention efficiency. If you pair any Klipsch with a low wattage but poorly designed amp, you'll end up looking for an ENT in your network... if you know what I mean. So here is my advice: regardless of being 99Db efficient, pair it with a good amp. At this point, the "equation" ends up like this: "affordable" speakers (Forte IV) with low wattage top notch not that much affordable amp. Don't believe me? Go ahead and check any tubes amp made by a reputable brand. It is known that Klipsch plays well with valves (old term-valvulas). Go figure.
Very good review. Ive got Cornwall IVs amplified by tubes, and a pair of REL 212sx's, and your description of the strengths & limitations of the Forte IV hold equally true with my speakers.
Your review gave me good 'chills' ! I have the Forte 4's paired with a Willsenton R8 in my smallish 18x24' dedicated space and I could not be happier ! They are joined by a pair of Martin Logan Classic 9 ESLs with all Parasound gear as an alternative system. Thanks again for such a great and HONEST review and so glad you kept that pair for yourself, they look great in the 'great' room 👍
@garysmith8455. Hi Gary did you try the Parasound amp (which one do you have?) with the Forte iv's? I am weighing Halo 6 or R* with mine
My neighbors started chain smoking when they saw me carrying my Klipsch speakers into the house
Recently and I feel very lucky I obtained two pair .. of the Klipsch 4K model 3.
New in the box grade A.. apparently they've been sitting hiding in a warehouse since 2017. Without anyone really knowing that they existed.. and I asked a certain retailer about them.. he scoured his inventory and voila. Receive them 2 weeks ago and are they wonderful. American Walnut with Lamb's wool coats.. all four speakers are in sequence.. and the price for the forte model 3 new in their boxes 8th grade.. was a genuine gift thank you so much..
Best review of the Forte IV I’ve listened to. Nice video! Thanks for sharing.
Great review, much appreciated! The Forte IVs are next up on my buy list ...
Klipsch brought me out of the audiophile doldrums last year. Oh, I still have my Focals and LS3/5a among others , but man my HeresyIV’s on tubes with subs… I’m happy again.
Good to hear and Interesting, what do you think they bring over your other speakers?
I have recently done the same with a pair of horns, the JBL 4367 and moved away from traditional audiophile stuff.
I demoed the Cornwall IV and Forte before buying the JBLs. I feel the JBLs are more refined (smoother with less box/cone noise etc) and crazy dynamic.
I feel is the best of both worlds as it does the audiophile refinement with slam at all frequent and bass texture many speakers lack. They are a lot more money but worth seeking out if you can find a deal. The bass detail is so good I lowered the highpass on my JL subs down from 60hz to 40hz because the 4367 is out performing them at 40-60hz with more detail.
So yes horns have changed my option on what is important. Dynamics have moved to the top of my list.
Thanks for the speaker review. Just ordered a pair.
My dream speakers thanks for sharing an honest review
Thanks for such an honest, clear review. Keep up the great videos.
I thoroughly enjoyed your review. Right to the point.
Thank you for this honest informative review. I have a chance to buy a pair of 1 year old IV's from my brother in law for about $2k USD so I appreciate your "earview" of them.
hope ya ggot em...or put me on em...=)
Fantastic review!
Makes me want to go out and buy these now.
Thanks for the review. I do believe I'm getting them. I just got my first HiFi system in more than 30 years. It was a close call between Sonus Faber , Klipsch Forte and Martin Logan Motion, but I settled for the Sonus Faber, but I miss the Forte's they had "that" sound and fun. I think I'll move the Sonus Faber upstairs and use the Forte's in my man cave.
I have the fortes, I like them, but very different from the totems (totems are more 3-D sounding) that I have. They definitely have a vibe, and if would ever replace them, it would probably be with the bigger heritage speakers.
one of the best
They are pretty special speakers indeed, and very happy that I added them to my arsenal.
I found a 3/4 watt 1626 Darling tube amplifier on my local Craigslist for $200. Hooked it up to my 1996 Forte II with a 50 year old McIntosh C26 preamplifier and streaming Tidal MQA on a Bluesound and the sound is amazing!
I own these and drive them with a bi-amped quad KT-88 setup. They are so dynamic and holographic...nothing like I have ever experienced.
Kt88 amps are a great choice the for Klipsch Heritage line. I drive my vintage La Scalas and Forte II with Quicksilver Horn Monos.
I have the Heresy IV, and they have the qualities of dynamism and excellent, excellent, for low-volume listening... but I'm yearning for the big TALL soundstage, so I'll be trading in the Heresy for the Forte IV.
Thank you for the detailed and informative review. I’m considering purchasing a pair to replace my 24 year old Dynaudio T 2.5’s. The darker stand mounted speaker looks like a Dynaudio special 25. How do they compare to the Forte fours? Thanks for your time.
How did you go about purchasing your Leben amp and what model is this
I love my cheap HS8 for record listening too (not just for critical, flat, neutral studio use)… but dream of Klipsch one day.
Would Forte or Cornwall be a considerable upgrade, difference, change for the better?
Were ya using the Leben as a pre-amp or direct amp to speaker? or which amp were you using in addition.? And how does one procure the Leben? I saw Tone imports is their listed retailer, but their website does not elaborate.
I use it as an integrated amp with just a streamer/DAC going into it. Yes they are imported by Tone Imports who then distributes them to a dealer network. I'm sure if you reach out to them, they could point you in the right direction to some of their dealers.
Great review, funny...I came close to the same conclusions but by using poor man's versions of the types of amps you mentioned. Ulimately though I kept my class A Vincent hybrid amp and sold my Decware tube SET and Yamaha AS2200. Loving these with classic rock though cause I can't do without it, some is recorded better than others, and my Wharfedale Lintons just didn't rock loud enough. With the Vincent, I'm happy listening to an old Marantz FM tuner or a nice R2R or tube dac as it just gives such pleasant soft but weighty presense to music without the overbearing upper mids and highs. They are still not particulary forgiving but certainly are amazing and a good choice if you can only have one set of speakers that can do it all (much more impressive than my Kef and Wharefedales and sounds like can compete even with much more expensive speakers in many ways)
@davidwald2938 Hi David. I take it you liked your Vincent better than your Decware with your Forte iv's?
@@allenwilliams8962 yes, that's correct...I much preferred the character (added bass weight and sweeter more forgiving mids and highs).The Decware's mids and highs ran me out of the room on many songs that sound just fine on the Vincent. Always had to turn it down whereas the Vincent makes me want to turn the music up. Also found the Forte's love the 140 watts even though they are efficient. I'd imagine the better the class A amp, the better the Forte's sound
Have you tried bi-amping with a tube amp for the midrange and tweeter and a solid state amp for the woofer?
No, I have not...
How would they work as LF and RF Main's in a home theater 5.1 set up instead of a typical RF-7 111? thanks,
You mentioned classic rock . What speakers you consider do justice this genre ?
Heard… Somewhere Down the Crazy River” by Robbie Robertson, on these speakers… Wow!
It is entirely possible a very high-quality tube amp, like the Leben, might be the perfect mate for the Fortes. Softer sound tendencies mated with a potentially slightly bright speaker.
Btw, that Dan Patlansky song doesn’t sound acoustic, more like an electric Strat
Have you heard the Forte One's
Hi folks, could they work with an NAD M32 ? Thank you.
I would try some John Fahey if you like acoustic. I’m on day 2 and Radiohead killed, especially OK, In Rainbows especially. Put on the 2018(?) White Lp remaster and I’ve never heard these album like that. Joe Jackson’s ‘Stepping Out’. I think I need a bit more control on eq but I’m digging it day 2. I may need to treat my corners. Loving it in a 16 x 28 ft. foot run.
Acquaintances of mine who had never thought before that I would be smoking the good stuff.. call FedEx come up to the house and bring in four of these... Now understandably for I thought why not just six so that's what was done and then to finish the surround sound setup for the other three speakers I brought in 3 have some really fun same model right left in the center good towers still haven't decided yet whether I really need subs but you never know even if the subs are just perfect to put that punch in the bottom end of what you're listening to without blowing the room up and vibrating the nails out of the foundation of your house..
Funny I’m considering these and that why I am here and I currently have the Heritage specials, I know they are different but curious what you prefer to listen to?
What kind of music do I listen to? I'm not much into classical or country, but just about everything else!
Klipsch was made for tubes! Looks like a Leben CS600? Point-to-point wiring, no circuit boards! Is it self biasing?
The tweeter is about sternum height. 🔈🔉🔊
They're about ear height when sitting in either my recliner, or my theater seating.
@@toddcooperider17 Tweeter is 2'-7" off the floor. You've got a short recliner. 🔈🔉🔊
@@TriAmpHiFi Perhaps. But please elaborate your direct experience with these speakers and how the height of the tweeter has such a positive or negative impact on the sound that would necessitate calling it out.
what is the model of the leben integrated?
Io le piloto con il leben cs600x, favolose!!!!
Compare this with Elipson Heritage XLS 15 which has rave reviews.
Klipsch speaker specs must've been written by Eddie Haskell.
I had an older set.. paid $400 for the pair. Sold it cus it didn't sound that good.
No disrespect to Klipsch lovers, but nothing I've ever heard from Klipsch, including the entire Heritage series, did it for me. I'm not sure why - they just sound boring next to my ADS 1230s which I've had for over 40 years. A couple years ago, I heard a used pair of the discontinued Chorus (similar in size and drivers to the Forte) in a local audio store (Just Audio). Again, my reaction was meh. I heard an a/b of the Cornwalls against my ADS 1230s. No contest. I've wanted to like Klipsch but have never been able to get there. To each his own.
It's funny how everybody mention efficiency. If you pair any Klipsch with a low wattage but poorly designed amp, you'll end up looking for an ENT in your network... if you know what I mean. So here is my advice: regardless of being 99Db efficient, pair it with a good amp. At this point, the "equation" ends up like this: "affordable" speakers (Forte IV) with low wattage top notch not that much affordable amp. Don't believe me? Go ahead and check any tubes amp made by a reputable brand. It is known that Klipsch plays well with valves (old term-valvulas). Go figure.
Con il leben 600X sono semplicemente fantastiche!!!
So... super great speakers if... you pair them with $50.000 electronics. Good to know.
BS sensitivity rating. The ELAC Velas are accurate, detailed, musical and never too bright, even on classic rock.
How Good are the parts including crossovers..?.We all know who like attacking Klipsch who says there parts are cheese Quality..?
So not informative - so bad review. Never listen more.