Why Steve Is BANNED In Smash Bros
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Steve can finally go into creative mode now
Bro was already in creative mode when he started adding block in mid air 😂
Bro has been vaulted
Final smash concept
Steve mains are in creative with their tech
You spelled glitches wrong. poplick🍔🥡🥢🧘♂️
Also, with Metaknight he was a base-game character in a game that was never patched. And ALL of the best players used him from the outset. Steve is being piloted by players who were largely unknown prior to his release.
The thing with Metaknight is his toolkit was so varied that it was more interesting to watch a Metaknight mirror match than any of the other cast, since everyone else was not that good in Brawl. He was definitely the "Meta"-knight.
@@eddiek6390 No, this is absolutely not the case. It definitely wasn't interesting to watch a MetaKnight mirror for the umpteenth time.
MK was fun.... the rest of brawl was boring.
Steve and smash 4 bayo? Ladder to death
Steve mains: “hey look at this new game breaking exploit we found!!”
Community: “thanks for the info, we’re gonna be banning him!”
Steve mains: 😮 *surprised pikachu face*
Shoulda kept their mouths shut
We’ve actually know about this for months lol, we just didn’t use it because we knew this would happen
@@lpgoodgamer7137 should’ve used it against MKLeo then, would’ve been funny at least. I just think it’s stupid that knowing how good and how hated Steve is that they reveal a tech that is clearly ban worthy and are surprised when the character gets banned.
@@Matanumiskill issue
You should use this tech against someone like cogger who probably doesn’t know it exists and watch them go insane on how you can escape every combo lmao
Bold of you to assume Cogger does combos
Bold of you to assume cogger would care
Bold of you to assume what Cogger can be mad
Bold of you to assume I thought that comment through
Bold of you to assume cogger would realize
Steve has, I kid you not, over a hundred techs and glitches that the developers did not intend. He was intended to be a good character without any of this. The Steve ban was needed, although it is unfortunate for true Steve mains out there who spent a ton of time on the character.
I had a friend who would be very sad to see this. I am low-key kinda sad too, but it's whatever this is actually valid
What I would prefer to happen but I dunno how feasible it is as I'm pretty sure they said they weren't going to do any more updates but I would want Nintendo to just patch this glitch out.
However until something like that happens banning him is the only real option, it's way too easy to miss for it to be given the same treatment as wobbling.
v13.0.1 was the final character balance patch. They said they may still patch bugs if they arise. Hopefully they do it right away, it doesn't seem like a hard bug to fix, but until they do I regrettably agree banning him is for the best.
I kinda want one final balance patch, tho I know a lot of people would be mad. But, since it has been more than a year since the last patch, the tiers are starting to separate. I wouldn't like to see any particular nerfs except for patching bugs. The game is still pretty balanced, but some tiny buffs to the bottom tiers, just enough to make them tournament viable would be nice. I doubt they will take the opportunity to do any balancing, but as long as they don't nerf anyone, I don't think most people would object.
@@nyquillusdillwad9119 Make my boy ganon dies last when doing a Ganoncide
@@vivelespatat2670 Make MK's standing grab actually function. Many characters cannot be hit by his standing grab because of jostling...
@@vivelespatat2670 Seems like a pretty big buff, except that Ganoncide can be mashed out of, so at the highest level play it won't be a game breaker. Letting Ganon recover after side B would have also been a nice to have, but honestly the game is at a stage that unless they were to commit to several more updates, I don't think they should make any major changes that would affect play style. In a perfect world, all the characters would be perfectly balanced, but that won't happen without a game getting balance patches in perpetuity. In the real world, there must be a best and a worst character, and the best we could hope for is that the differences in them would be difficult to discern. The game is getting kind of old now, if combos and optimizations that people have worked for years to perfect are changed peoples' willingness to put that kind of effort into discovering new combos will be diminished since they won't know if the next balance patch will make their efforts go to waste again. So, if I were given the opportunity to make a balance patch, I wouldn't change any knock back or frame data that would interfere with the current meta game play or mechanics. (If I could go back in time, much bigger changes). I would shoot for keeping the current tier list order the same. I would aim to keep Steve the best character, Ganon still the worst, and all the characters in between in the same order, but close the gap between them with very small buffs to damage and launch data that would otherwise make the game feel the same except for how early a character will die. For the lowest ranked characters maybe add a frame to the hitbox window on their least used moves to make them a little safer, and maybe a 1% boost to their horizontal air speed to help with recovery, but I would really want any changes at this late in the game to be practically imperceptible.
(and none of that is to say you were suggesting anything that would change game play either, I just just stressing my opinion on the subject)
I just love that of all of the characters in the game, it's freaking Steve that is broken.
It was bayo before and Meta k right even before
The fact that Steve comes from Minecraft and the fact that he’s broken are directly related.
@@Matanumi Those were past games, fool.
Honestly with this glitch the ban is 100% justified. This is very much the definition of "broken"
Yeah there's no way this was an intentional feature on the game dev's part.
I'd ban the tech instead
Banning Steve if you ask me is kinda the nuclear option
@@lilsoonerfaninmo While I do agree I also think it would be too easy to either do the tech on accident (from my understanding its fairly simple to do... but I don't actually know exactly how its done so I could be wrong) and more importantly it would be too difficult to keep track of if somebody DID try to use it. Smash is weird sometimes and any weird knockback mishap could be mistaken for the tech and it would cause all sorts of trouble... like they said in the video, if it happened they would need to pause the match to debate whether or not what happened counted or was actually the tech in the first place.
And a Steve ban was considered long before this, he's really broken in a lot of other aspects too.
@@lasercraft32 The fact it was caught at all suggests to me that it'd be very easy to notice if and how someone did it, so I don't buy the argument 'Wed have to pause and debate's
And the second you ban the S tiers, A tiers will suddenly start having a microscope on them
@@lilsoonerfaninmo "Someone noticed something once, so it's easily detectable and verifiable in all situations"
What?
The problem with banning a tech is the investigations when someone claims it to be used.
Not every match is recorded, and without proof it would just be a he said/she said situation.
Then there's of course the investigations themselves that take time. And of course it has to be done immediately.
There's a limit for time in tournament settings, so banning tech doesn't work in the tournament setting due to time restraints.
It's similar with card games that ban cards because they're cumbersome to use with the time allowed and not because they're too strong.
Magic the Gathering did this. Sensei's Divining Top got banned in Modern because of the sheer fact it was pushing games to time too often
@@UmbrotheUmbreon That's exactly what I had in mind. I was a pretty avid Magic tournament player back then as well.
Last I checked you can save replays.
@@gizmosandgadgets5751 Oh right, I forgot. Still, the investigation part is still a thing.
@@gizmosandgadgets5751 Last I checked it still took time to review those replays. Time that can easily drag out a tournament unnecessarily long if many people request it. It's just far easier, and healthier to ban the character. If Nintendo releases a patch to fix the PMLG then unban Steve. Until then, this tech is just far too ridiculous to allow the character to remain.
On one hand, I want there to be at least one tournament where Steve absolutely dominates for that undeniable proof that he should be banned (but mostly cause I think it’d be funny)
On the other hand, I think it’s better to ban him now and save everybody’s time. Besides, Steves can still be Steves on ranked, and there’s nothing we can do about that, but we can save ourselves the hassle in tournaments.
Steve is already the most used and highest ranking character at Tourneys. We already had majors where Steve crazy overperforms (Smashcon, Let’s Make Moves). No one wants to see Steve grands at every tourney.
Also, not taking action fast was what made Meta Knight and Bayonetta stick on the scene.
@@l.a.rodriguez9581 overperforms? Pfft that ain’t nothing, I want to see a tournament where top 16 is all Steve. Grand finals being Hitstun canceling only, Steve and Alex going all out DBZ style. Just the worst thing ever… cause it would be funny.
But mostly I don’t want people to bother perfecting the hitstun canceling, banning him from tournaments is just healthier for the game.
Dunno how I feel about this. Logically it’s the good decision, the tech is a broken but I feel bad for the Steve players who put hundreds of hours into their character and get double the hate anyone else does.
Yeah, but they deserve it.
Case closed.
Except sonic players 😂
This is why we need a split of Steve tournaments and non Steve tournaments
Ehh it is out of scope of tournament organizers it is up to nintendo to fix it now but they won't
Yeah, get out with those Steve Trash Players. Only Sonic is being more unfun to play against.
When steve was released I had no doubt in my mind he would one day be the best character, and right now he's way more than that.
Usually that's what happens with all characters. People hated Hero at launch, as well as Sora, but we learned the MU and realized that banning them would be silly. Steve, like all others, seemed OP at reveal. But he.. stayed that way. We never learned the matchup because of his uniquely OP moves and ladder combos. And now with this tech, he'd be unstoppable if he wasn't banned.
Finally nice to see another day 1 steve believer. They laughed at us... NOW LOOK WHOSE LAUGHING NOW STEVES NOT ONLY GOOD BUT NUMBER 1!!! Jokes aside I always expected him to be amazing because Minecart, Block, Anvil were wild. But I never expected him to be as amazing as he ended up being
@@hitthemelons6333 especially his block and ant oml. The isab vid was so funny idk if you remember that, it was him comparing steve to other characters and calling him trash, even though his special moves made him a complete different beast.
@Aiden van Dijk, I remember that, lol. I said Steve would be busted and I was called crazy. Now look. Steve is banned. Goes to show how not every player is as smart as they think they are.
I thought he was going to be mediocre - like a b-tier at best - because of his strange recovery and movement stats lmao
It took 25 years almost but we finally have a banned character in smash
And it’s fricken Minecraft steve
Meta Knight in Brawl : *DID U MISS ME*
@@AdDQ4 he wasn’t really banned. Only kinda banned. And while Steve isn’t fully banned yet I feel like he soon will be.
I feel much better about banning a whole character, than banning the tech and inevitably having to ban a competitor either for using it on accident, or banning a player to continuously reporting the move being used and being wrong or inconclusive too many times. You could imagine the outrage if Onin or Acola were DQd from Genesis in Pools because they accidentally used the tech against little Timmy. Or worse, those same players are in grand finals, use the tech accidentally on stream and now you have no set, whether it just started, or they were a game away from winning it all
Skill issue
We should definitely ban Steve. He is no longer just a top tier character, he is a cheater. In other smash games, there were characters that were obviously better than others, but without bmk, they were still legal because there was always counter play. This is not the case. Because of this tech, Steve can literally punish you for landing your own move or combo, and there is nothing you can do about it. It would be far to difficult and tedious to try and ban the tech alone, so Steve has to go.
There wasnt counter play tho you always had to play steves game from day 1
ive never agreed with the "ban steve" train, but with this tech it's just undeniable, it has to be done
When is steve going to gain the ability to fly
Just type /gamemode creative in the console, easy.
It is unfortunate but neccessary to do in this case I think. This video was spot on. 👍
Stopping balance patches so early was a mistake
I'm not surprised that something like this exists with Steve. When Steve first got introduced to Ultimate, they had to mess with the code significantly just to add this one character in, a code that was already pretty solid to begin with. Unlike all other fighters, Steve's mechanics are extremely wonky and out of place in Smash Bros (though I won't deny, he is the most unique and creative Fighter Pass 2 character). They needed to add the ability to place blocks, then add hitboxes and rules for those blocks, then the crafting table to upgrade your tools, then had to layer each of those tools with their own stats and rules. There is a lot of coding going into just this one character, more so than any other character in the game.
If Nintendo was still doing patches and updates for this game, I'm positive they'd have fixed this issue. However, Smash Bros is done with updates so this is a permanent thing we'll be seeing, so because the tech can't be fixed, and due to the sheer speed of how this tech operates, it's much safer and easier to ban the character. It does suck to those who spent time getting good with him, but there are so many other characters in the game. The health of the game should not be sacrificed just cause people who only put time into it because of Steve don't want to lose Steve.
Steve has so much more going on for him than other Smash characters, make mining near another player more punishing and Steve would be good enough to be a Rivals character. (And obviously fix the bug and balance stuff.)
That's the issue with Steve, he can do stuff in a game where characters generally can't.
I like how you misspelled "glitches" in the thumbnail
dunno if glitches was supposed to be misspelled or not in the thumbnail, but it is
Imagine buying the dlc for doing the glitch until you find out it's down banned in the tournement
It was all because of Steve’s stun cancel, and Nintendo should’ve work Steve a lot more before they were done with the game.
If only the players had discovered this tech when the balance patches were still being made...
He was never playtested
@@lasercraft32nah steve was fucking broken regardless there is no counter play he deceides the game
Okay, admittedly, only being on the periphery of the conversation, I thought they were just banning him because they didn't like him. Now I understand why, and I think it's a reasonable decision. A character who can, without penalty (or even with reward), negate every other character's game kind of feels like a bridge too far.
Well, also because people despise him.
yeah I always disliked the "ban Steve" narrative because it felt way too much like people were just pissed they lost to Steve players. light, tweek etc saying to ban Steve just after losing to acola really left a bad taste in my mouth. just with this tech it just kinda has to be done. until now it's been a case of him just being the best character in the game, now he actually is broken to the point of unplayability
He was fcking broken as hell before the tech
@@timob1681BRO imagene losing toa charavter that doesnt play the same game, Izaw smash also said acola doesnt even play neutral there is no bait no punish no reads he Just plays his own game
Poppt’s 800th video is going to be “Will Steve be banned in smash 6?”
The key difference between Steve and Meta Knight and Bayonetta is that Meta Knight and Beyonatta, while being hugely over-represented in the competitive scene, were still exciting to watch when played optimally. Optimal Steve gameplay involves him staying in a corner and mining, spamming hard to punish smash attacks, and jumping in mine carts. He’s fucking boring. And at the end of the day, Smash only survives from spectators. It’s important to note that there were already widespread calls to ban this character BEFORE any of this happened, and it’s not exactly difficult to tell why.
Lmao youre just being bias, Steve isnt boring, Steve is exciting and fun to watch just like metal knight and bayo, it seems you just hate Steve, that doesn't scream maturity to me, then again Smash fandom are known for their immaturity. They acting like a bunch of 🤡
He's so funny. I thought he was gonna turn out as either smash 4 bayo or ultimate bayo when he came out and now it turns out I was right with the first one!
GLITHCES
steve before the tech: up tilt go brrr
Steve was already arguably ban worthy. Now he's 100% ban worthy
Its like the universe wanted him banned and needed to make sure it happened lol.
Skill issue
It's really eye-rolling to see Steve make the ledges inaccessible, and I'm sure it's even less fun to be playing against it.
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Bro can MLG in every game now💀💀💀
If they patch out the bug/tech then he should be reconsidered after testing what is still bugged. But for now you can't just ban the tech it's to easy to do and it could reach farther than just the original tech.
you know its gonna be good when there's a typo in the thumbnail
I really hope this makes Nintendo either hot fix Steve or even give us one more full balance patch. For how much work went into this game it feels like a waste to leave it in a semi broken state for the rest of its life
Look at Smash 4 and tell me they care.
the thing with steve being broken vs bayonetta in smash 4 being broken is that steve does it way cooler
Good man, Hungrybox. Doing what the rest of us were too afraid to do for a long, long time...
Who says steve is weak? When he is the walking infinity gauntlet
Honestly, I think this was for the best.
Not because of the tech, or the character in general, but because of the community’s absurd amount of toxicity towards the character and his playerbase. Onin literally got death threats after he won SmashCon, and personally I’d like to prevent something insane like that from happening again, and if it means banning Steve, so be it.
Or here me out, maybe the entire community needs to stop being toxic assholes. I know crazy idea but maybe for once they should highly consider that. Wouldn't be the first time they've sent death threats to someone either. Hell Hungrybox almost got hit with a raw crab.
@@NrettG Yeaaah that's not going to happen. "Stop being toxic!" sounds fine and dandy in concept, but realistically it's impossible.
@@themanbehindyou.216 Better start carrying then.
@@MrYotosun carrying what?
I'm happy for the bans, especially so being in the US. It has real potential to kill the game which happened in Smash 4 with Beyo. It doesn't take much to pick up a new character and if you practice neutral then it shouldn't be an issue.
He doesnt even play neutral
Steve just using his inner Herobrine
The irony that Meta Knight was meta
Dude no way
The return of I am stone challenge
Am I the only one who noticed “Glithces” on the thumbnail?
No.
This is how liberty dies.
With a thunderous applause :v
Ahhh, my favorite speedrun category: Glithces%
i wanna see nintendo pull off something stupid out their ass like forcing every tournament to have a steve
To clarify, if a combo is completely true, Steve still can’t escape. It is more like a frame 1 escape option, similar to Luigi down b.
@@erikh5512 most of your information is true but steve can’t do this during a 100% true combo, for example; Mario down throw into up air,Steve can’t negate the hitsun on the down throw or the up air if they perform it with no gaps.
@@oddapple5621 He literally can as long as he is not send into tumble.
Luigi cannot escape multi hits by just spamming tornado. Steve CAN
It's like you people don't even watch the video you're commenting on
@@ngotemna8875 you’re partly right. If Steve sets up the tech before getting hit by any move that doesn’t send him into tumble, he can escape. But if Steve gets hit before doing the set up, he can’t escape if the combo after is 100% true.
Banning Steve is healthy for the game
His entire character lives at criminal percents because of blocks and also gimps and combos off of them too
Now people added shulks monado art combo breaks
Hated the character from day 1
Is a zoner with the most broken combo game in the entire roster.
Has a fricking command-grab PROJECTILE
And if that wasn't bad enough he can just create his own platforms in a platform fighting game.
I cannot believe it took this long to get this broken a$$ character banned. Seriously
@@ngotemna8875 Git gud, had this tech never existed it would have been skill lmfao.
I do see the difficulties with it, but I do wish we could just ban the tech instead of the character. Bring able to build on the stage creates such a unique archetype, and I don’t like forcing so many players to drop their best character.
It woukd be more complicated to ban the tech and people will probably do it and no one would notice thats why hes banned
Ngl I heavily disagree. That puts a lot more strain on the TOs and people who help run tournaments. Having to constantly moderate and review replays where the Steve may or may not use the tech will put a lot of time and strain on how smooth tournaments run. Many top players (void, dabuz) have had to drop their best characters due to nerfs but messing with the people who run tournaments is a lot worse for the longevity of the scene.
@@jaceee4154 …I just said, _I understand the difficulties_ and _I wish_ we could just ban the tech. I know it’s not really feasible.
Also, people changing characters due to buffs and nerfs is mostly on their hands. They still have the option to play the character they know, just at the cost at being a bit lower on the tier list, which is pretty subjective anyways.
@@jaceee4154 getting nerfed and getting banned isn’t the same. You can either play your character or you can’t. That’s the problem. I’ve advocated for Steve since 2014, and it’s a shame I can’t play him at a tourney.
@@freshplayz2709 But you can understand why people want the ban ?
The four horsemen of Smash meta:
Melee Fox
Brawl Meta Knight
for 3DS/Wii U Bayonetta
Ultimate Steve
I quit this game when Steve came out. The entire concept of the character circumvents the entire game. Nintendo is a joke of a company, stop supporting a company that hates you. They did this shit on purpose.
Little do people know that yoshi has the exact same tech!
7:37 bro the opponent should just quit after that, at that point you are humiliated beyond return and sentenced to death.
Aw hell nah not the “glithces” 💀
Can I get a link to the background music? It sounds really good.
In relation to wobbling, countering the argument that we can just ban the tech the same way, they really aren’t comparable. I like how HBox defended it, saying that when wobbled, there no mistaking it. But this steve tech is easily missable if not looking for it specifically.
Yeah like, wobble or freeze glitch are both plain as day, there's no missing those, you could glance at the screen not even knowing what they are and go "Hey that looks fucky". A hitstun cancel? Every Steve match everyone's gonna be wondering if his hitstun just ended too early.
My local scene (germany) is just waiting until someone abuses it, and then might ban steve
I love that you're posting content more frequently!
Oh no, it’s just like Bayonetta all over again.
RIP steve
When bro spelled “glitches” wrong in the thumbnail, couldn’t help but watch lol.
I don’t get why would you banned a character just for a tech being discover, my point is that it has not been implemented yet we have not seen the implications of it in a big tournament so it just seems like a justification for people that already dislike the character to ban it. There are broken tech being discover all the time that never get use. I just want to see him actually win a tournament with this before it gets banned.
because the tech works as a frame-1 combo breaker that requires no difficult inputs or using a resource. It has been used in tournaments before, and with thousands of dollars placed in tournaments (and very little profit from TOs) running the gamble of one or two steves performing the glitch and getting an upset would LITERALLY make the tournament bleed viewerships and therefore money. Tournaments are more than just an experience, they are deep down a business, and grass root tournaments cannot handle to bleed viewers
@@julian362 I mean that the tech was not being use that much, if Steve ban took in consideration the past why is it being ban now? I want to see if “people knowing” really makes a difference. And for viewership I think people would rather see Minecraft Steve doing some tnt nonsense set up than Kazuya from Tekken doing some inputs. At the end of the day, Minecraft still is the most selling game in the world.
Steve finally reached his full potential
I think they should just ban steve, it was already a huge debate previously and this new tech has just unveiled how broken this character truly is. If it was possible to just ban the tech then that would be a good option, that way Steve players haven't wasted the last couple of years. However, just banning the tech would mean having to watch every split second of Steve sets in tournaments to make sure no one is using the tech, which is just too unrealistic.
What if it was patched?
@david arvin gumazon Hmm, I used to be against banning Steve because he hadn't been out long and I thought that after more time it would be clear that he does have weaknesses but it's been the opposite, so I'm unsure. I'd likely say not to ban him just because it's not really fair to the players
@@GoomTheClown It's even less fair for everyone else who's not playing Steve.
Sry, but not an argument.
I'm in the minority of not banning anything and if the game dies because of this then it dies
Man. Steve was my fav smash bros character addition
Definitely a worthy ban. He was already at least a top 3 character, and now he can escape basically every multi hit along with probably most combo extensions.
So so glad you did a video on this I was hoping you would
Honestly I feel like Steve should be legal himself, but the tech/glitch should be banned instead, mainly because there are a lot of people who have spent hours and hours on learning Steve normally without this exploit.
The problem with banning a tech is the investigations when someone claims it to be used.
Not every match is recorded, and without proof it would just be a he said/she said situation.
Then there's of course the investigations themselves that take time. And of course it has to be done immediately.
There's a limit for time in tournament settings, so banning tech doesn't work in the tournament setting due to time restraints.
There's two issues with banning the tech;
1. Sometimes the "phantom" block is just simply not visible. Take bowser as an example, sure if he uses the tech against a f-air you can say "hey those physics weren't right you should've been sent flying." But if he does it to fall out of a nair bowser's body can cover the phantom block visual and its very difficult to tell if he just fell out of a multi-hit or not
2. Most locals and some regionals are simply understaffed and can't enforce banning the tech, a lot of the time they're already running behind schedule and they just can't take the 7 minutes to watch a replay every time a Steve plays. The replay system is super flawed to begin with no fast-forward and rewind so if you miss that moment in the replay, well you'd have to watch the whole thing again
The problem js that you can't ban a certain tech.
You can't even see if the tech is used in many situations.
@@sengir84 What if it was patched?
@@yoshikagekira1719 What if it was patched?
@Poppt1 I have noticed your thumbnail and noticed you made a misspelling on the word "Glitches" by spelling it as "Glithces" in the thumbnail. Unsure if it's intentional or accident but I'm just commenting that I've noticed this.
When you stay up late to watch poppt1 upload 😎
Is this like a phantom hitbox like some of the older smash games?
The one time a ban is JUSTIFIED!!
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Probably a good thing you didn't make a update on this steve phantom mlg immediately. Just let the info sort of accumulate since there is going to be more info to come from here on out
Why does he have to do Steve like that. He's just a 'Blue Shirt Boy' 😭
Steve should have been banned for how OP he has been since release regardless. Ultimate needs another patch to nerf him. Not to mention the annoying run away play style
No one in the comment section even noticed the "Glitch" typo in the video thumbnail?
It's sad for Steve mains but if Kazuya, Sora or any character had so much new tech breaking the game every week, they will cry too so, learn a other pick, u got Kazuya if u want ^^
Lol be like Onin and go back to ROB.
I wonder if this will be patched even though the game has had its final update. I feel like they should patch it.
I think Nintendo definitely knows about the Steve bans since it’s the biggest Smash story right now. The question is do they care?
@@l.a.rodriguez9581 nah, they cashed out, it will be fixed in the next game
I feel like they are just gonna call it a feature to avoid actually having to take action, but if Nintendo actually comes and fixes this it would be nice
I love it, My dream character is now banned. It's funny, people never expected anything minecraft and now we have this. Love it
Basically, Smash players don't like to have fun
hero was also banned in some tournaments for language barrier reasons
he cant make use of the knock back cancel glitch if he cant built or craft just don’t let him mine and he will run out of materials
edit
really i don’t know why everyone is freaking out
Lmfao, the tech is still problematic and not all matches are recorded when something needs to be reviewed. The character needs to go dude
I think you spelled glitches wrong on the thumbnail you put “glithces” Love you poppit 😅
Steve just put some netherite armour on
Well, after all of the begging, you all finally got your Meta Knight 2.0
If you master pacman everyone is done for
I'd say Nintendo needs to step up and just fix the glitchy tech.
While tech can bend the surface rules of the game from time to time, I think it needs to be evaluated on a case by case basis.
And in this case, it really does disrupt the flow of the game a lot, comparable to wobbling in terms of the ease of use for the respective tech it seems.
I'd absolutely hate it if steve mains would get excluded from tournaments for very long,
if Nintendo doesn't do anything about it, I really hope the community comes forward with a game patch.
We've had tons of community patches before with Melee Input stuff and Project M,
A full character ban would be worse than patching gamefiles for him to be viable again.
Nintendo doesn't care about smash, but maybe the tech is glitchy enough that they actually fix it.
They did ma boi Steve dirty
Steve can only be broken in Smash. Either he doesn’t work and is just bad or he breaks the game.
I cant unsee the misspelling of glitches in the thumbnail
It's funny that in previous games on obsolete consoles characters were op and we're considered to be banned because of that and in the newest title on the newest console one of the newest dlc characters is being banned because of a glitch/exploit...
Its because of all the fuckin twitter labbing and quick data that never used to existback then.
Also people are kinda insane now.... they spend to much time online. Bayonetta is more comparable because it was a closer era however Bayonetta was on the Wii U version which was a dying platform
The difference here is we're stuck with ultimate for a while even after the next smash game releases. Ultimate could easily have a legacy like melee does
So I'm in a odd position myself, personally I love battling Steve because of how much it taught me on aspects of the game such as how really be patient and bait out options better and the tournament sets I have against Steve are some of my favourite. However I do understand how broken this tech can be against a majority of the cast and why the calls for bans are happening.
From what I've seen it doesn't look like the tech effects my character much (Ridley) since my only multi-hit is f-air and that isn't really used much in the Steve mu and Ridley actually does kinda well generally with his range against Steve.
I'm mainly gonna be sad myself to see Steve getting banned because that means a character I enjoy playing against in tournaments won't be there but also like another comment said, I feel bad for Steve players who put so much time into their character and get so much unnecessary hate in my opinion. Because again in my opinion the mu is not hard to learn and to me is really fun.
bro he eats like 90 percent of your moves 😂
@@kaceynelson989 I assume you mean with the tech? It'd be interesting to actually see it used against me to see how effective it can be against certain moves but from what I've seen it doesn't look like it will do much.
I play Isabelle against my friend's Steve which is the only character that works sometimes, but even one mistake can get you at a high percent or even killed 😭
for a mario main like me this teck would completely destroy me since i have only a few early percent kill confirms which wouldnt work on him and also we dont need about to talk about
combo game
@@sapphirestorm9964 Not just muti-hit (with 3 frames in between), but any move that doesn't lead to tumble. This is, pretty much any of your moves at low percents. Imagine going for ridley f-tilt, hitting it, and getting mine-crafted for this to death.
The excuse to ban Steve everyone was waiting for
the Phantom mlg proves that steve is a bugged character and not broken.
so if you remember that Didi Kong was invincible before and how you complained and cried for them to patch it, it's exactly the same with steve but this time it was patched and here Sakurai no longer has the intention of lifting a finger for smash ultimate unless they are working on smash 6.
Bruh, calm down I didn't even say anything about him being broken or anything. And what's this about Diddy lol. I don't even know why you're bringing him up lol. I'm just saying a lot of people don't like playing against Steve, and are more than happy to use this as an excuse to ban him. I'm typically for no bans unless absolutely necessary.
@@ketchumall8243 No, what I'm saying is that you have to understand that he is a flat character full of bugs which is useless for competitive if you want to play casual so there's no problem. I always suspected that Steve is full of bugs and glitches.
@Sylar that... still has no bearing on anything I said. I never stated any of my opinions on him, just the outlook on the community reaction. Your time is better spent elsewhere with your arguments.
I was hoping a bit more breakdown into the tech, the moves that send into tumble (as a basic smash enjoyer I have no idea) and some labbing of how things work to make it all clearer for us
If you're planning to become the GothamChess of Smash I think this is a great opportunity as there is a lot of controversy and content flying around but it really lacks structure for now!
We really need to ban Steve for this broken tech, temporarily. This tech is broken but could be patched out, until a patch is released though, Steve players have to do without, which sucks...