How I Killed Pluto and Why It Had It Coming
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2024
- January 19, 2011
Dr. Michael Brown (Caltech)
Dr. Brown, who has found many of the worlds at the edge of our solar system, shares the inside story of how he discovered "other Plutos" out there beyond Neptune. Among these was Eris, which is now known to be about the same size as Pluto. He named that new world for the goddess of discord, because, as he describes with his characteristic humor, its discovery resulted in a private and public controversy that led to a redefinition of what a planet is.
Nobody kicked Pluto out of the Solar System. Pluto is still the same object it always was, and always has been / always will be (within the lifetime of the sun) be a part of the solar system.
He killed Pluto because he is jealous of the discoverer
@@muhammadabdullah1076 No reason for him to be jealous of poor old Clyde. Mike Brown has a long list of discoveries of his own. When he discovered what's now known as Eris, that called the question on Pluto.
@carultch But Pluto's feelings were hurt. Some of us have tried to soothe the little guy by telling him he's now the largest member of his new family: the Kuiper Belt. But he still pines for his days of full planethood.
I miss pluto
+Rodante Ilagan But it is still around!
My Very Educated Mother Just Served Us Nine.......
C'mon Mike, you should have blamed it on Goofy.
Pluto chan will rise again!
Neverrrrr!!!
but first you need to work on your grammar
The invented a reason,
That's why it stings.
They don't think you don't matter,
Because you don't have pretty rings...
Pluto says “Don’t cry for me.”
And the IAU killed YOUR 12th "planet." Isn't life grande?!
How can you brutalize such a cute planet
I thought all the planets had elliptical orbits, but he describes their orbits as circular. Am I wrong?
All planets have elliptical orbits, but they would not appear elliptical to the casual observer. Pluto's orbit is far more obviously elliptical than the planets' orbits.
wratched Thanks.. That's what I thought, but I'm an interested amature trying to learn more about this sort of thing all the time.
George Forsyth Circular is a special case of elliptical. Even the best manmade satellite orbits are not a true circle, if you measure down to the millimeter.
Today, the planet with the most circular orbit is Venus. And the planet with the most eccentric orbit is Mercury. This order will change, due to solar system dynamics.
Actually, Pluto's orbit is about as eccentric as Mercury's. It is relatively circular, just skewed to a certain degree.
Yeah they are elliptical, but to such an insignificant degree that they might as well be circular.
Didn't they just confirm that Pluto is bigger than Eris? #onceaplanetalwaysaplanet
Yes indeed. Mike Brown deserves NO attention for discovering a boring rock that he thought was bigger than Pluto, but nope. It is smaller, does not have an atmosphere, does not have a subsurface ocean, and lacks any exciting features that makes NASA or the EUSA want to send a probe to it.
Pluto is bigger than Eris in terms of size. But it's SMALLER than Eris in terms of mass.
Why hate on Pluto? Dwarf compared to what? Let's stand you up on stage next to Shaq!
Poor little Pluto!
5:38 until worse then Osama bin Lardon decided that people shouldn’t think of Pluto when they hear planet 9
I wish Brown would have said that the daily motion of these bodies observed are largely parallax from the earth itself moving, and observations are generally done at opposition, for closest distance and darkest sky and most motion. Therefore the distance is instantly computeable inversely proportional to nightly motion. But to get its orbit, you really need to watch at least one year to extract the motion of the body itself.
It's spelled Kuiper Belt isn't it?
Gray Bryan Yes. Spelled as if it rhymes with sweeper, really rimes with viper. Dutch spelling is weird.
***** The English (or rather US Customary) measurement system and the English language have a lot in common. There is nothing intrinsically easy about either. They are only useful for the following reasons:
1. Everyone else uses them (in the English speaking world, anyway)
2. We are already accustomed to using them.
3. It's too difficult to convert everyone to anything else, even if it is intrinsically easier and better organized.
The Spanish and German languages are both a lot more intrinsically easy. Everything sounds exactly the way it is spelled according to a standard set of rules in each.
@@carultch
English isn't my native language. All western languages that I know of have more logical spelling systems than English spelling (except for maybe French spelling). It hasn't changed since the times of Shakespeare I believe ? But in later centuries the pronunciation changed…. Dutch spelling is well suited for the Dutch. The only problem we Dutch have is that texts written centuries ago are very difficult to read :-) And oh yeah written verbal endings are difficult to understand for some of us.
42:15 turns out it’s not bigger than Pluto
I was ignorant of Eris
I truly don't like this guy for getting Pluto removed
Planet murderers are the worst.
+qqqqq qqqqq He did not ''kill'' Pluto. In fact he found a LOT of what we now call dwarf planets.
I've been watching too many Mike Brown lectures
Killed planet 9 but may have found a new planet 9 🙂
I want a probe sent to Eris called Xena!
You killed Pluto? Sounds pretty presumptuous. Pluto was victim of an arbitrary definition, but after seeing the wonders discovered by the New Horizons spacecraft, I still call it a Planet in its own right.
just look at this comment section. everyone acting like pluto has life or a personality even. and look at the way people vilify this scientist and what he did. killed is the perfect word to match the psychotic reaction. instead of properly studying and catagorizing everything in the sky to further planetary science, how about we just pretend they are all gods and make reality shows about their lives for all you losers with no lives
@@someoneelse1080 well if mike brown goes to schematics and taxonomy he would fail big time. glad he is not in biological sciences . if i translate what he is saying a midget/ a person that suffers dwarfism is not human is not human. sounds harsh right? or Cats are not feline... because they are too small.
this is the same scientist that was asked 2 years ago about the size of Eris and Kept insisting the that is more massive than Pluto Which is True despite of the fact that the person asked was referring to the Diameter of the planet. we know in space something can have a larger mass but can be significantly smaller diameter. Pluto is larger than Eris. the weird thing is all Dwarf Planets which actually means NOT planets planet are more planetary than any of the inner planets. Mike brown is also the same guy that did not correct a reporter when the rerporter thought that dwarf planets is just another classification of planets. he also considers mars not being a planet
Pluto deserves better.
Astronomical Discovery
No arcane theta please
1:23:01 Sometimes they say Mars is female, right?
Steven A. Mars looks pretty masculine to me. He does have a huge beard.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_(mythology)
It is quite difficult to say that a planet with a symbol that doubles as the male sign, named after a male character in mythology, would be female.
Steven A. 1:23:10. I think it is the other way around. Pluto the dwarf planet was named in 1930. Pluto the cartoon dog was named in 1931. Pluto the cartoon dog was literally named after Pluto the dwarf planet.
Brother Roy Disney believes that Walt did indeed name his character based upon the recently discovered then 9th planet, given his interests in rocketry and space exploration.
carultch
Well, all I remember is that I was told in school and tv that Mars was female. She sicked magical mythological dogs on somebody who looked at her showering. I'll accept alternating mythologies but I do remember being told of a female Mars.
Steven A. Well, that is news to me. I've always understood Mars and Venus to be the symbols of the opposite male and female genders respectively, more than anything else.
carultch You've been reading too much of the book 'Men are from Mars / Women are from Venus'
Sorry but after the stunning images of Pluto that we know have, I will always consider Pluto to be a planet. We learned It even has an atmosphere. What more do you want?
I think this lecture explains why Pluto shouldn't be called a planet. Atmospheres aren't reserved for planets only . Even moons can have atmospheres.
Did you even listen to anything he said?
Mars doesn’t have an atmosphere, so it shouldn’t be a planet right?
@@kevinnguyen1008 You should have stayed in school. Mars does have an atmosphere. Google it.
Size. Don't believe anybody who says it doesn't matter.
Funnily enough the same facts that eventually killed it as a planet gave New Horizons the support it needed to get funded. Suddenly it changed from a tiny ("uninteresting") planet to a prime example of a newly discovered region.
And in the end, Pluto will outlast any astronomers unions by billions of years.
This guy is really funny. I need to read the book like now!
Excellent book.
57:41 are you sure about that ?
in the end, Pluto will outlast any astronomers unions by billions of years.
Waiting for a sequel:
How I "killed" Micheal E. Brown and why he didn't saw it coming
In the end, it was NOT Mike who got Pluto reclassified. I don't understand why so many people here think so. He wasn't even in Prague. As far as I know, he WOULD have loved it to be called the discoverer of the 10th planet. But he already knew it was not very likely. You saw Mike's lecture, so what more reasons do you want? Don't you understand what the lecture means? The world's astronomers say: Pluto is not a full planet and you simply declare: No it isn't fuck you all? You think that the solar system on your children's lunchboxes has got it right?If Pluto had been discovered in the 1990s or in this century NONE of you would have protested against classifying it as a dwarf planet.
Marc Dezaire Well guess what? It was discovered in 1930 by Clyde Tombaugh, and we now know it to be a very interesting world. Mike's "tenth planet" turned out to be a rock smaller than pluto, so now he comes up with his stupid "Planet Nine" theory because he wants attention. Pluto had been considered the ninth planet for so long that it had become a favorite in the astronomy world. Would New Horizons be sent to Pluto let alone BUILT if it wasn't important? It gives us insight into the formation of planets. Don't let that attention hog get you on his side.
CoperSweeny FIRST of all : Pluto is indeed a interesting world. No matter what size and mass it has. Even many of the other small and large moons around the gas giants are amazing, with unique features. But Eris has MORE mass than Pluto , and they were not going to call it a planet. The planet nine theory is indeed still a hypothesis, based on computer simulations. Brown didn't come up with the hypothesis alone, he did it with Konstantin Batygin (younger and less known). "P9" is thus far a good explanation for some of the orbits of several transneptunian objects. Will we ever actually discover P9? Maybe , maybe not. Both scientists are not attention hogs, they are just doing their job. You want to cling to the idea Pluto is a planet just because it is the favorite of some members of the scientific community? Just like it is the favorite of kindergarten children? Come on. I still have an astronomy book of the early 1970s. Nothing much was known about Pluto. It had fantastic ideas about what mass and size Pluto could be, and why it looked so small. In the book, they called Pluto ''a problem''. The real problem is of course all the present-day scientists since 2006 who refuse to see the mistake first made in 1930 , and the second time in the late 1970s when they discovered Charon and finally Pluto's true mass. Oh by the way, I once saw an interview with Clyde Tombaugh. Unfortunately I can't remember the date, it was before 2006. He was asked , among other things, if Pluto should be called a planet. He just laughed about it. Of course he was hired in the 1920s to discover planet X in the first place. He was never going to admit it was all a scientific mistake. Finally about the New Horizons : Mmmm . Interesting question. I don't know what answer I should give you. The only scientifically relevant answer I can come up with issomething like: ''It's one of the biggest and closest of the KBOs , and if we dont launch soon, we might miss an opportunity to see the atmosphere before it freezes over.''
So true. I don't know why people get so emotional about a small chunk of rock on the far edge of the solar system. It isn't "alive". It's a ROCK! And getting 3rd grade children upset about losing their favorite planet isn't what science is about, either.
Pluto is a planet, end of story.
No, it's a planetoid. Get over it.
You are Peter SAGE, not Peter Sagan.
Brown is feeling the heat for this and is being battered constantly by planetary scientists.
Good
No he's being battered by giant idiots like you
Little did he know about the even more futuristic astronomers who have to find a gap in elons trash in earth orbit..
A dwarf planet- IS A PLANET BY DEFINITION!
the moment he walked on stage people should've thrown tomatoes at him and chant PLUTO IS PLANET! lol
It is no big deal whether Pluto is or isn't a planet. It doesn't fit the criteria, so what? I don't care if it isn't a planet. It is not a sentient being, just a chunk of rock. These science lectures always bring out the amateur armchair scientists, who seem to think they know more than the REAL scientists who have made it their life's work to understand and study astronomy.
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People take Mike as the killer of Pluto, but he did something that a lot of people can't do and that's to find a planet, he should have never written that book or at least rename it as how I found a planet, and how other people can't. Like if think so.
If Eris had not been found by Mike Brown and his team, someone else would have found it. Eris might be smaller in size, it's still larger in mass than Pluto.
Mike Brown enjoyed Pluto being demoted to a dwarf planet.
If things had gone different at the IAU conference in 2006, Mike Brown would have been known as the discoverer of the tenth planet... But he already knew that wasn't going to happen. Both Eris and Pluto are Kuiper belt objects. That's what Mike's lecture is about.
Marc but they are still big enough to own the most prestigious title in the Solar system. Dwarf planets are not dead worlds, so the best thing to do is that dwarf planets remain as a thing, but as a subgroup of planets, just like terrestrial planets and gas giants.
Mike could have been recieving prizes for his achievement. Instead, now he is recieving death threats. I do not critisize Michael, but I think question about Pluto's status is still open. Pluto, Eris, Ceres (and possibly Makemake) can be recognised as a planet. It is a shame that we don't learn them at schools.