2020 bmw GSA 1250 hard start issue after update
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- Опубліковано 30 лис 2024
- So this is stock battery checked and confirmed in good working order. Bike updated and checked for issues. Given an all clear from dealer.
It was 21 degrees f about 35 in garage. Seems a little better now after update but NOT right yet.
Just updating where I’m at.
I own a 2019 R1250 GS Adventure which I bought new and I live in Victoria, Australia. I will keep this as short as possible and try and avoid going into any details that readers and fellow owners already know. I have experienced all the starting problems that have been documented by riders around the world for four years. The sudden and unexplained no-start events, the myriad of TFT screen fault messages etc. I do not know if this problem applies to every MY but it certainly applies to MY19, MY20 and MY21 as I have read user complaints online. I have used a total of four AGM batteries in four years, Exide (which caused problems in the first 3 weeks of bike delivery), Deka, Yuasa and SSB, all have been either 200 CCA or 240 CCA batteries. Batteries have always been fully charged and able to pass a load test when the bike failed to start and have been connected to an appropriate charger when the bike has not been in use. So battery problems are not confined to a specific batch of Exide batteries that were factory fitted by BMW when the bike was new. My son has an R1200 GS Adventure, he has used the same AGM batteries, and he has had zero starting problems over the four years that I have owned my bike. Regardless of the healthy status of all four AGM batteries the starting problems have always suggested that a battery power problem existed. Any mature vehicle system does not require changes to valve clearances, or require pushing whilst in gear, or any other unusual or creative change to get the vehicle to start. Does anyone have to do that with their car? Standard comments from BMW dealers have included ‘cannot replicate the fault’ and ‘they all do that’ along with others. Is BMW Motorrad really happy with that state of affairs? It has appeared so. I purchased a GOOLOO GP2000 lithium jump starter, it is small, light, and quick and easy to use. I carry it in my top box and it started the bike every time I needed it to. The bike started instantly and essentially proves that the complete starting circuit is serviceable provided that sufficient cranking power is available. BMW obviously made significant changes (mechanical & electrical) from the R1200 GS Adventure to the R1250 GS Adventure. When making those configuration changes did they carry out a detailed Power Management study under all user operating conditions, in all environments that users operate these bikes in, and over a reasonable period of time to ensure that the starting circuit for instance, from the battery right through to the starter motor and everything in-between, were compatible and actually worked? Only BMW know the answer to that question. I used the GOOLOO GP2000 for many months on many occasions to prove to myself that the starting circuit is serviceable enough to be operated as designed, and as delivered on the bike when it was new. Once I was convinced that the problem was the power source then I researched a safe and more capable alternative. You can research the various chemistries of Lithium batteries yourselves if you wish, I selected Lithium (Li) Iron (Fe) Phosphate (PO4) which is LiFePO4, it’s the safest battery chemistry and fit for purpose. I purchased a SSB Powersport Lithium Ultralite, LiFePO4, LFP14H-BS, 150mm X 87mm x 93mm. The battery came complete with screw on plastic spacers to raise the battery height to suit the motorcycle battery compartment. The bike now enthusiastically starts first time every time, under all conditions and as it should have done when I purchased it in the first place. I finally have the bike that I thought I purchased four years ago. Ignition has improved and all lights and displays have improved. If this problem went away at some production point then what was changed during production and why don’t all users know about it? Prior to starting the bike the ‘My Vehicle’ screen on the TFT display always shows a battery voltage approaching, or at, 13 volts. I have an Ozcharge OC-PRO80L 12 volt 480ma LiFePO4 battery charger which I have not used again since I charged the battery when it was new straight out of the box. As soon as the charger tells you that the battery is fully charged then disconnect the charger. I have a charging pigtail lead fitted to the bike and I check the battery voltage with a meter via this lead before using the bike. The battery voltage is now always between 13.27 volts and 13.30 volts. The most the voltage ever drops in a week or more is 0.01 volts (1/100th of a volt) which is probably due to the bike internal clock and maybe a standby function of the keyless start module. The bike charging system is capable of keeping the battery charged and I will only use the battery charger/maintainer if the battery voltage ever drops below 13 volts which it hasn’t done and so far doesn’t look like it will. You do NOT, and SHOULD NOT, keep the appropriate battery charger/maintainer connected to your bike when the bike is not in use. Do I leave the GOOLOO GP2000 at home? No I don’t as I may meet a fellow R1250 GSA rider one day who is stuck at the side of the road/trail or next to a fuel pump in a service station because his bike will not start.
New update added 24:th of January
@hxDI
When I check the different places that I link to I find that we are 25 persons that are experiencing this kind of problem with our bikes.
It would be really nice if you could write a comment here if you experience the same problem.
@hxDI
!!! Write what bike, year and where you live !!!
E.g R1250GS, 2019, Sweden
I want to determine if its based on geography/different batches of the bike.
It seems like i'm the only one in Sweden with this problem.
Have a nice weekend //Patric
Hi, My R1250GSA, build 05/2019, right now 1580 km has exactly the same issue, same messages appear. Even with a new battery.
I live in Germany and right now it is on BMW workshop in Berlin claimed as warranty issue.
They told me after the first check, it is not just a software issue and BMW- Munich is online to this motorcycle checking for further details.
Let´s see what finally will be done by Munich advice.
I hope they will tell me the full story of done repairwork.
Hi T H,
Sorry to hear that you also have problem with your bike and already after 1580 km.
Good to hear though that BMW is looking into it. Let’s hope that they find the root cause and really solve it in the end.
Best regards //Patric
@ Hi Patric.
I will go online with my 3 taken Videos, after the issue was solved. Just to be able to compare for all other viewers and hopefully with answers of what has be done.
Update: BMW-Munich released my bike after done this work at my BMW workshop in Berlin:
1. New Battery
2. Software update
3. cam shaft timing/alignment readjustment inlet/outlet valves had been out of set tolerance adjustment. Seems to be from manufacturing incorrect adjustment.
So far after 2 days cold start the engine did not have any unusual behaviour.
Happens with me in last weekend...
Portugal, gsa1250, 08/2019, more less 19k kms
We have experienced that the bike starts better after replacing the battery with a charged or new one. But the problem is back a few days later.
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This is not a problem in the battery, because it starts and then stops, the engine does not hold speed, it can be a fuel pump, spark plugs
I need a Trail / Dual purpose motorcycle without all that technology .
I kid you not, I have a 1250 GS and its just over-kill at this point. Like Knuth[?] said, computers often invite usage in places where their application is ill-advised!
Who wants to be in the middle of a tropical jungle with a bike that requires a computer to reset?
@@Kobe29261 The BMW 1250 GS, is top of the line motorcycle , If I could buy it I would . I bought my self a honda varadero 1000 xlv and I am very happy with it , I can work on it and still enjoy the road. Will see if I can improve my riding skills with time.
@@Tirikitaon Enjoy the bike my friend! Doesn't matter the price of the bike; I had more fun on my CB600F [first bike] than I probably ever will on this behemoth; its way over my skill set at the moment but I got a deal I couldn't refuse on the 1250
@@Kobe29261
of course i agree is not the bike but the experience on it and the places you go to etc...
Do you have a final solution for this? I am in Ireland. Same issue. Dealer, under warranty, replaced battery, software update and adjusted valve clearances as advised by BMW but the three horizontal lines are still appearing when starting and I don't think its right yet.
Warranty?
Road Glide Yepp, there’s 3 year’s warranty on the 2019 GS/GSA.