This is it right here. Flight plate seems to be the same, but the overmold is significantly different. Proxy overmold seems a lot more rounded than the envy. Envy also kind of has a small bead on the bottom of the overmold compared to the proxy. I like to bag both.
Thanks for posting this! Sorry to have gotten it wrong, but the wordage I used is directly from the Axiom Proxy description on the Axiom website... "The Proxy shares the Envy mold's core, lending the same low-profile feel and solid grip, along with a short wing width and a wider flight plate diameter for superior glide." I definitely noticed the more rounded edge on the Proxy though. Looking up their PDGA specs, and it looks like the only PHYSICAL difference is the Proxy rim is .1cm DEEPER. One other thing to note, the Envy can be a little overstable out of the box, but will beat in to be a lot flatter. The Proxy will usually beat in to go right unless on a hyzerflip! I think the bead should be there for both but "almost negligible" (Axiom site). I've found domeyness and beadiness REALLY depends on plastic though. Hope you enjoy all 3 in your bag, my bag is similar except I use the Pitch instead of the Pixel in that middle slot! Thanks for the mention, keep up the great content!
I have a premium plastic Envy and electron Proxy. While the proxy is a touch flippier, the real difference i notice is the low speed stability. The Proxy wants to finish straight and sit. The Envy gets a nice overstable lift before it lands and tends to hyzer off. They feel basically the same to me. Thanks!
Even my noodle (57yo 330ft max but nearer 300ft) arm flips up my proxies... although it's more like "think about a Hyzer while throwing it flat" sort of angle... maybe 5deg + - 5 depending on wind. I spotted the Skulboy ref.. only as I have an actual Skulboy Proxy. As for the fan grip.. I find if I want distance, and power up the Proxy with a fan, my hand just out accelerates the disc leaving it behind before the throw completes (hilarity ensues). Power grip... not a problem.. (well not a problem when I don't stuff it up myself). If you Love the Proxy you'll love the Bounty (Lucid... ok mines pink but it's an ARROW in a crosswind (remember.. Put the wind to your back ! ! !).
If you love the Proxy, get an Entropy (Plasma) for headwind power throws. (and for close proximity getting round a tree. And yeah... My favourite upshot in cross wind, grab a Lucid Bounty to get a longer legged Proxy flight.
I have a pretty beat electron (baseline) proxy. It does flip but I’m amazed at how over 3 years of use (and a bunch of tree hits) it still does not burn over. Very controllable and surprisingly durable for what it is. My vote would be that the proxy is a superior mold to the envy. My issue with the envy is that a slightly beat mildly stable approach disc (in my case an A5) does the same job but more reliably. I think there are a lot of people that would find there’s a lot of approach disc overlap in that stable throwing putter slot.
My understanding: the Envy, Atom and proxy all have the same inner core with different over molds. The Atom is in between the Envy and Proxy in Stability. The newer runs of atoms in all plastics are a touch more stable than the PP Atoms. Neutron (rare) are money. Haven't tried the fission, but I hear they are great
The proxy, atom and envy all share the same flight plate, just different gyro rim. Also that domey envy is not a regular occurrence. I have a glow, soft neutron, cosmic neutron and a 2 proton envys and they are all flat.
Your release could be feeling a bit off because your reach back is high as you brace you are doing a good job correcting and getting your launch angle back to positive but just more correcting than I would assume you’d want. Fan grip for me is best used when down tempoing accurate shots..
My throwing putters are eclipse v2 Envy (pretty stable run) and old PFN soft neutron Proxy (very straight, not understable or overstable), they get the job done.
Enjoyed this. I would like to hear/see your take on the Innova Hydra putter. It has identical flight numbers to the glow Envy and flies like that too, and I love the R-Pro texture in my hand for a putter.
If you look at the proxy and the envy they are very similar, it’s just the parting line. The flight plate or rest of the mold literally has nothing to do with any differences. The parting line in the envy is higher, and on the proxy lower. Virtually everything else is the same, so the proxy flies a tick or two less stable than an envy at the same weight, in the same plastic with the same throw.
This is not quite right. It’s not just parting line height. You should only ever compare PLH between discs within the same mold. An Envy with a lower PLH will still tend to be more overstable than a Proxy with a higher PLH. The Envy, Proxy, and Atom all share the same inner core, but have different overmolds, which are the reason for their flight differences. The Envy’s overmold hits the bottom of the inner core slightly higher and at a sharper angle, giving it a small bead that the proxy doesn’t have, even though they’re the same core. The Envy also has a flatter top part of the overmold, where the Proxy has a more rounded shoulder. These subtle differences lead to the differences in stability. Since Injection Molding is so inconsistent with very small differences causing quite a bit of variation in how plastic molds up as it cools, you’ll still see quite a bit of variation within a single mold in its stability, regardless of plastic type. For instance, while it is cooling, the flight plate can shrink too quickly, and cause more dome and a lower wing. The overmold is also susceptible to this, so you have two parts that need very precise cooling times, and precise levels of moisture in the plastic, very precise temperature and humidity in the air, etc. Some of these variables just can’t completely be accounted for, and you get your differences in stability. But, regardless of those differences, on average, the initial wing shape of the mold is still going to tend towards its design. So an Envy will always tend towards more overstability than a Proxy.
@@silvercitron And yet others use stable as mid (like a proxy almost is) and over stable is beef like an Entropy... Leaving under stable (I like to call them Vegan.. ie the Anti Beef) like a Glitch.
He got it backwards. Proxy and Envy have the same flight plate but different overmolds. Same story with the Ion and Anode.
This is it right here. Flight plate seems to be the same, but the overmold is significantly different. Proxy overmold seems a lot more rounded than the envy. Envy also kind of has a small bead on the bottom of the overmold compared to the proxy. I like to bag both.
This is correct although it's worth noting that the overmould is like 97% of what determines flight
Commenter was wrong, they have the same flight plate but different rims.
Thanks for posting this! Sorry to have gotten it wrong, but the wordage I used is directly from the Axiom Proxy description on the Axiom website...
"The Proxy shares the Envy mold's core, lending the same low-profile feel and solid grip, along with a short wing width and a wider flight plate diameter for superior glide."
I definitely noticed the more rounded edge on the Proxy though. Looking up their PDGA specs, and it looks like the only PHYSICAL difference is the Proxy rim is .1cm DEEPER.
One other thing to note, the Envy can be a little overstable out of the box, but will beat in to be a lot flatter. The Proxy will usually beat in to go right unless on a hyzerflip!
I think the bead should be there for both but "almost negligible" (Axiom site). I've found domeyness and beadiness REALLY depends on plastic though.
Hope you enjoy all 3 in your bag, my bag is similar except I use the Pitch instead of the Pixel in that middle slot! Thanks for the mention, keep up the great content!
I have a premium plastic Envy and electron Proxy. While the proxy is a touch flippier, the real difference i notice is the low speed stability. The Proxy wants to finish straight and sit. The Envy gets a nice overstable lift before it lands and tends to hyzer off. They feel basically the same to me.
Thanks!
Even my noodle (57yo 330ft max but nearer 300ft) arm flips up my proxies... although it's more like "think about a Hyzer while throwing it flat" sort of angle... maybe 5deg + - 5 depending on wind.
I spotted the Skulboy ref.. only as I have an actual Skulboy Proxy.
As for the fan grip.. I find if I want distance, and power up the Proxy with a fan, my hand just out accelerates the disc leaving it behind before the throw completes (hilarity ensues).
Power grip... not a problem.. (well not a problem when I don't stuff it up myself).
If you Love the Proxy you'll love the Bounty (Lucid... ok mines pink but it's an ARROW in a crosswind (remember.. Put the wind to your back ! ! !).
If you love the Proxy, get an Entropy (Plasma) for headwind power throws. (and for close proximity getting round a tree.
And yeah... My favourite upshot in cross wind, grab a Lucid Bounty to get a longer legged Proxy flight.
I have a pretty beat electron (baseline) proxy. It does flip but I’m amazed at how over 3 years of use (and a bunch of tree hits) it still does not burn over. Very controllable and surprisingly durable for what it is. My vote would be that the proxy is a superior mold to the envy. My issue with the envy is that a slightly beat mildly stable approach disc (in my case an A5) does the same job but more reliably. I think there are a lot of people that would find there’s a lot of approach disc overlap in that stable throwing putter slot.
Man, my glow pixel is so understable and my Envy's fly like your pixel.
Now we need a video with the Atom. The best of the bunch IMO.
My understanding: the Envy, Atom and proxy all have the same inner core with different over molds. The Atom is in between the Envy and Proxy in Stability. The newer runs of atoms in all plastics are a touch more stable than the PP Atoms. Neutron (rare) are money. Haven't tried the fission, but I hear they are great
The proxy, atom and envy all share the same flight plate, just different gyro rim. Also that domey envy is not a regular occurrence. I have a glow, soft neutron, cosmic neutron and a 2 proton envys and they are all flat.
Your release could be feeling a bit off because your reach back is high as you brace you are doing a good job correcting and getting your launch angle back to positive but just more correcting than I would assume you’d want. Fan grip for me is best used when down tempoing accurate shots..
My throwing putters are eclipse v2 Envy (pretty stable run) and old PFN soft neutron Proxy (very straight, not understable or overstable), they get the job done.
I'm the opposite, I like the way the envy feels, but not how the proxy feels
Enjoyed this. I would like to hear/see your take on the Innova Hydra putter. It has identical flight numbers to the glow Envy and flies like that too, and I love the R-Pro texture in my hand for a putter.
I putt with electron proxy, very straight and highly recommend
A beat up envy is so amazing I recommend keeping one in the bag for a while
Back loaded powergrip is way to go. I have tried fangrip and it's pure garbage. There's tension when you are gripping hard with your index finger.
You want a putter? Get a Shockwave Rot and thank me later……
Rip Cant use your code on Axiom or MVP
foot fault
My Fission Proxy is a
Lazer beam
I like to bag both envy and proxy.
Tfs❤
If you look at the proxy and the envy they are very similar, it’s just the parting line. The flight plate or rest of the mold literally has nothing to do with any differences. The parting line in the envy is higher, and on the proxy lower. Virtually everything else is the same, so the proxy flies a tick or two less stable than an envy at the same weight, in the same plastic with the same throw.
This is not quite right. It’s not just parting line height. You should only ever compare PLH between discs within the same mold. An Envy with a lower PLH will still tend to be more overstable than a Proxy with a higher PLH. The Envy, Proxy, and Atom all share the same inner core, but have different overmolds, which are the reason for their flight differences. The Envy’s overmold hits the bottom of the inner core slightly higher and at a sharper angle, giving it a small bead that the proxy doesn’t have, even though they’re the same core. The Envy also has a flatter top part of the overmold, where the Proxy has a more rounded shoulder. These subtle differences lead to the differences in stability.
Since Injection Molding is so inconsistent with very small differences causing quite a bit of variation in how plastic molds up as it cools, you’ll still see quite a bit of variation within a single mold in its stability, regardless of plastic type. For instance, while it is cooling, the flight plate can shrink too quickly, and cause more dome and a lower wing. The overmold is also susceptible to this, so you have two parts that need very precise cooling times, and precise levels of moisture in the plastic, very precise temperature and humidity in the air, etc. Some of these variables just can’t completely be accounted for, and you get your differences in stability. But, regardless of those differences, on average, the initial wing shape of the mold is still going to tend towards its design. So an Envy will always tend towards more overstability than a Proxy.
Does "most stable " = most over stable?
Most stable of that particular mold
All things being relative to personal experience
Stable and over stable are used interchangeably in casual terms
@@silvercitron And yet others use stable as mid (like a proxy almost is) and over stable is beef like an Entropy... Leaving under stable (I like to call them Vegan.. ie the Anti Beef) like a Glitch.
Do you still use the tips Stokley gave you?
Maybe a video on all the tips you stuck with? There have been a lot of experiments with form- wondering what were your keepers
Like ! Cue up the Ion vs the Watt - both laser straight, pretty much, depending....... !!