Are Personality Disorders Different From Mental Illness? | Kati Morton
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"Different people have different coping skills and resiliency. That’s why siblings can go through the same things and come out very differently. We are all unique, and our mental health is not immune from that." YES.
I have BPD and my sister has NPD...we both come from the same abusive home, however she was spoiled and never paid consequences for her actions growing up. She was the princess of the family while I was the black sheep. And I think my mother actually had both mental afflictions, but I have yet to find out if that is possible.
I'm dieing I'm tired if fighting I'll be 40 and my mental illness is back with a vengeance. I cant even keep a job no more. I'm so scared
@@daisygirl1217 i think i am in constant state of boredom I believe everyone has emotions even pyschopaths have you ever read the bible description of satans emotions bitterness and furiousness yes i just said everyone has emotions all pyschitric developments as in all biologies of mind creature,s as in humanity all persons havd emotional regions dark emotions to light emotions
Me and brother are so opposite and it irritates the shit out of me
@@incognitofreedomofspeech im kinda in the same situation. I'm 40 and was getting so much better and then bam my dad triggered me and i take care of the man and im all he's got but when i needed him he wasn't there and mostly when my mom died when I was 16. My uncle and aunt wanted to adopt me when I was 16 and dad didn't allow it. Just found this out and it fucked me up but anyway you're gonna be ok. Im a professional makeup artist and on ssi. 🤷🏼♀️ I worked since 15 its just i got broke down and yea my passion is art. I'm a free spirit. I am worried about my future though. Time to find my prince or princess and have a partner.
I have Avoidant Personality Disorder. And the scary thing about it is that AvPD doesn't feel like an illness.
It's so deeply internalised that you don't assume you're ill. "It's just who I am."
After 10 months of rehab I finally have my life back in my own hands and more importantly know how to keep it that way.
After 8 years of not being able to live the life I wanted I'm finally on my own track again.
I just want to stress how important it is to get help. Especially AvPD is something that's impossible to treat on your own. To avoid the spiral of fear you have to meet with friends face to face regularly. And having a therapist to guide you through hard times and/or relapse is worth so so much.
Pls tell you are a paid actor and avpd is not fixable so i don't have to blame myself for not actually trying to fix avpd garbage aaa
I've been saying my whole life 'its just who I am' until more recently when I opened up to my emotions to try to understand them instead of suppressing absolutely everything and now I have the opposite problem where I cant control my emotions as well as I could and what I can't control, I don't understand and can't cope with. And nothing is consistent. I was happy with 'its just who I am' but for me it just wasn't sustainable. (Possible BPD)
What type of therapy did you do? I can't seem to access decent mental health so I'm left trying to fix myself.
@@anitat9727 Try writing all bad memories from your childhood till present and analyse patterns of behaviour, workout, eat healthy and maintain a diary where you enter what you're grateful for (eg, their are many people who struggle to breathe but you have healthy functioning lungs, etc) . But this ofcourse doesn't replace a professional therapy
This is so hopeful!
I find all your videos clear, concise and well structured. It makes them easy to understand and of course very informative! Thanks Kati, sending light and love x
Yay! Thank you! I am so glad :) xoxo
I got nervous when I saw the title but I’m glad you said that personality disorders are a mental illness. The thing about them being pervasive vs. episodic is so true. I have borderline PD and it really hurts when people say that it’s not a mental illness. I already feel like there is something inherently wrong with me as a person, not just my brain if that makes sense. But I didn’t choose to be this way... I hate how we are blamed for what happens to us because of trauma. Personality disorders (or any mental illness for that matter) are just our brains response to trauma.
So true. I hate the term "personality disorder" because it comes across as so victim-blaming. The evidence suggests PD's mostly arise due to childhood neglect, abuse, trauma, etc. It's a very ungenerous way of saying "you had a fucked up childhood, and now you have long-lasting struggles and maladaptive coping mechanisms because of it." Instead, it comes across like "you're just fundamentally broken, wtf is wrong with you?"
Borderline Personality Disorder really doesn't fit the mold of a personality disorder all too well. Feel detached from your body or reality, paranoia about people leaving you, hallucinating about the past, and the dissociative episodes all sound like psychosis more than it sounds like a personality trait.
It’s not a mental illness it’s a personality disorder. I don’t know why you would want to be called mentally ill.
Thank you so much for doing this video. I’ve been told so many times that my personality disorder (BPD) isn’t a mental illness and it’s so validating and refreshing for a professional to say it is.
Simply Tiffany 27 yep :/
Personality disorders are not mental illnesses
Hi Kati, I just wanted to take a moment and say thank you for all that you do. I was at my lowest when I stumbled acrossed you on youtube. I watched 1 of your videos and it lead to 10 and then 20 and so on. You are helping more and more people everyday. You give people hope and when we are barely hanging on sometimes hope is all we need to give us that kick to get motivated to seek help. I was violently raped over and over from age 6 to 16. It only stopped because my abuser was killed in a car accident in 2013. In September of 2017 I slit my wrist and got admitted into the hospital for 2 weeks. I am now 21 and after your support and inspiration from your videos I was finally able to speak up and say 'no, im not okay. Things are shitting and I've been struggling with so much for so long'. I'm so thankful I was able to find the strength I had buried inside to seek the help I so desperately need. Im now in therapy and I love it. So once again Kati, thank you so much!
This has really helped I have been diagnosed with emotionally unstable personality disorder today thanks for this video
Same here. How are you coping these days?
I'm hanging in until I can get the help I need for my mental illness. I have an extremely supportive family, circumstances just aren't right right now.
Watching your videos has really helped me recently. I recently found myself with no routine and I'm waiting for a transfer to adult mh services; my care co has been too busy to see me for over a month despite how much I'm struggling. Thank you so, so much for making this content. You have no idea how valuable it is.
I really believe it's important to understand what's going on, and after studying a lot, I could never tell the difference. I have struggled with quiet BPD, and the hardest part is that there's no breathing moment. You have to be aware of your feelings and reactions all the time and make it a habit. Thanks to mindfulness I've realized I stop breathing whenever I start feeling anxious, and the sensations I have from stop breathing worsens the cicle. Learning how to tell the difference between personality disorder and mentall illness is gonna help me A LOT. Thank you so much for the effort of making that and other things so clear. Could you make a video talking about attention disorders? I felt so bad for forgetting about starting my classes ( I'm a teacher ) and other serious stuff, as if I didn't care enough, but understanding my attention problems through How to ADHD made me realize it wasn't a carachter flaw and finding coping mechanisms. Love, Mario ❤
THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO! I have seen in some articles and just around the internet folks claiming personality disorders are not mental illnesses. I could see their point to an extent, but I always thought it was an odd and pointless distinction to make. Thank you for clarifying the topic! I love that you define terms in your videos, it makes it so much easier to follow and understand what is being discussed and for this topic it was absolutely essential. Keep up the good work!
Hi Kati, I am diagnosed with bpd and atypical disorder. It is so confusing, as I can't tell the difference between them :( i loved this video and how objective it was :)
So glad you enjoyed the video :) xoxo
I like that you're as objective as possible. Too often people just throw terms around that they don't clearly define or understand and go off anecdotes or personal biases
This was very very interesting. I get so focused on my own anxiety and just mental illness in general that I forget that personality is a whole other thing. It’s so complicated. I especially liked what you said about siblings, it’s so true that they can turn out so differently from each other. Great video!
Every time i think of a subject i want to know more about you post about it. Thank you so much. This was so important! I really appreciate! Great video!
Very interesting video, I've often wondered if they were linked or interwoven, or two separate entities, another thought provoking video, thank you Kati! 😊🤗 X
Yay! So glad you found it interesting!! xoxo
I have anxiety and depression. Both are awful to have. My moods vary from day to day. I'm glad I could find a good therapist to help me cope with my mental illnesses.
Thanks so much for making a video specifically about personality disorders! Not many people know about them and once you talk about what they really are, it sounds less scary. When I first heard about BPD and was diagnosed with it I was terrified because i didn’t really know what it was, I thought it meant I was a crazy person. But now by researching it I feel confident about managing it!
I’m here for this one.
This video made the subject so clear. I understand the definition of "mental illness" and what that label covers so much better. Thx Kati.
You covered already so many things and you seem so professional. Subscribed. :)
Hey Kati, I am so glad I found your channel- you're videos are so helpful and encouraging for me!
I have a question though. I have been seeing a therapist for a few months now (I think 5 sessions) for mainly anxiety/panic and depression. However , ever since I've started going I've felt my depression increase to an all time high. I literally feel down all the time and breakdown in tears everyday, sometimes multiple times a day. I especially feel down for the first few days after a session... I absolutely love my therapist and I do not think she is doing anything wrong, but I was just wondering if you had any thoughts/experience with this??
Thanks!
I'm a final year psychology student and you're my motivation for studying for the exams! :D Thank you so much, Kati!
Anna Misztal How did you do?
I love you so much Katie I would sell my soul to have an angel like you to be my therapist💙 you are seriously the definition of perfection! Literally beautiful inside & out. I love you so much all of your advice brings awareness that is heaven sent. I really do, Love you. Lol. Thank you.
Hi Kati! I was wondering if you could talk more about schizoaffective disorder? It is something I struggle with and it is a very debilitating disease. There is such a stigma with psychotic disorders and I really want to break it. Having someone like you talk about it would be so encouraging and I love that you make me feel not so alone. Thanks so much for all you do!
Can you please do a video on how stress and mental illness can affect appetite? I find that a lot of time I just don't eat for days when I'm feeling stressed or anxious. Tips on how to fix that?
Can you do a video on signs of controlling parents? Thanks! I love your videos
Hey Katie i love your channel i think it is really important thing to talk about mental illness and also because i think a lot of people ignore and doesn`t talk about it and that is why they do not understand it!
thank you so much your video is brilliant ive searched the whole youtube and your video was a saviour now i can do my presentation perfectly all support and love keep going
I have anxiety/depression and borderline personality disorder. It make me feel crazy.
Don’t stress most women do
@@MrFury777 excuse me what?
You’re not alone
I was diagnosed with adjustment disorder with anxiety and depression and my psychiatrist said that I don't have mental illness in that ' lucky you ' kind of tone. It just doesn't feel right to me, remembering all the pain I have been through
I’m sorry you had to go through that. I also got depression and anxiety as part of an adjustment disorder. Mine was related to the trauma of having to give my dad CPR as he had a massive heart attack at home, and died at the hospital shortly after. I went through sheer hell with depression and anxiety (although I did get a therapist shortly after), and ended up checking myself into our local mental hospital as I became suicidal (and had other harmful thoughts), was there for several weeks. Plus, it took a while for my medications to balance out more. It sucked.
@@janetslater129 thanks for sharing, I appreciate it
i always get kind of suspicious about these kind of videos, particularly because i've tried to research a lot about bpd over the years in an attempt to understand myself better, and more often than not the information i find is very stigmatizing - usually saying that people with personality disorders are inherently manipulative, sociopathic or just plain toxic, so i'm glad that i found this channel. i wish i'd had this kind of level-headed and actually informative content when i was younger, would've saved me a lot of self-hatred.
I continue to be amazed at how clear and easy to understand everything is when you talk about it! Thank you for enlightening us all on so many different topics - this was so interesting! Xx
Nice video, very informative.
I finished my Acquired Brain Injury presentation in psychology, I’m so glad.
Thank you Kati! 🌸
This really helped ❤️❤️❤️ your very clear and concise ! Happy I found your channel !
Hi Kati, do you think you would ever do a side channel which isn't mainly directed for those with a mental illness/ in therapy etc? A side channel aimed towards those training to be a therapist etc where you use more jargon and more "in depth" (not saying you aren't thorough in your videos, haha). I understand you aren't a lecturer/ tutor but you have the experience and often hearing first hand is helpful. I hope this makes sense, I feel like I'm babbling. Anyway, great video as always. Have a beautiful day😊
You are always right on time kati. I struggle so much with mental illness in general. Thanx so so much for all your help, after watchn 1 of your vids i can manage through my day.
Love you, kati
Early Squad!
Thanks for explaining Cluster B with Personality Disorders. I often wondered why histrionic and borderline were in with antisocial and narcissistic personality disorders.
Really great information, thanks for sharing with the community.
Great video Kati, very interesting video, you did a great job. I do have a question, in the cluster C personality disorder the third one is listed as antisocial personality disorder, shouldn't this be obsessive compulsive personality disorder, seeing as antisocial is a cluster B?
Hi Kati Thankyou for the work you do and these videos. I like the way you define a condition before talking us through the assessment or treatment of it. Keep up the great work 🙂
Very well explained and very well produced.
This was super helpful! Thank you
Great overview! Thank you!
Needed this one 🙌🏼♥️ Thankyou lovely!
👍🏼 I am going to share your vid with family & friends so they may have a better understanding about my mental illness.
Love your videos Kati, they are very helpful!
Thx for a great video as always ^^ I have two questions: Is it necessary to work through traumatic experiences or is it okay to suppress the memories if it doesn't affect my day to day life that much? Is there anything I can do to help a friend get the professional help she needs, when she thinks she's too messed up for anyone to be able to help her?
Creative Name wow these two questions are important to me too!
I'm interested in the first one too!
It is important to always work through any trauma we may have experienced... only because we never know what could cause a flashback or upset in the future. By working through it we are taking the power back. As for your friend, you can just encourage her to go, let her know that there are professionals who can help.. and check in to see how she's doing. Unfortunately we can't make someone get help if they don't want to. xoxo
Thank you for the helpful advice! 😊
Creative Name what a great question! I suppress some traumatic experiences, and I intend to work through them eventually, but so far this is most healthy way I’ve found to cope. I think everyone has to find balance in their personal lives and that’s going to be different for everyone. I’m sure Kati is right, I’ve been triggered by things that bring those traumatic memories rushing back without warning. I know I need to work through it but being able to do it on my time on my terms is part of the process of taking power back, at least for me.
Great video, Kati! I read a lot about mental health but I had never thought about this. Interesting point to bring up! Now I feel better equipped to answer questions about both mental illnesses and personality disorders (I get those a lot, though I'm not even a Psychology major yet, haha). Thank you for sharing! Love your channel!
I love your videos and can't wait until the next one. But, I was hoping you would have the time to go through in more depth personality disorders. I will research your other videos and see if there is one there. Thank you. ❤
Such a good topic!! Love you so much x
Notification squad! Thank you for your informative and always interesting videos! I always look forward to your videos.
Yay!! Woot woot!! xoxo
I wish I could sit down and talk with you for a couple hours and see what kind of diagnosis you would come to. I've been diagnosed with bipolar disorder by everyone I've seen, but I still can't help but question it sometimes. A lot of the symptoms I can see on the depressive side of it, and the manic side I could agree with many years ago, but I don't have manic episodes like I used to, and sometimes if I'm having them it might take me a while to even recognize it, whereas 10 years ago I could recognize it immediately. My mind is an absolute mess and it's definitely taking a toll on me physically as well.
Another amazing video. Thanks Kati 💙
Its weird I was asking myself this question yesterday and u post the next day
Have you ever looked at the correlation between sleep apnea and BPD, and or type 2 bipolar ? Would be interested to hear your thoughts on that.
Very well done, great video. I have appreciated many of your videos. I think you are a gifted and nuanced professional. I wish there were more like you.
However, it seems to me that the majority of mental health professionals are incompetent as therapists. Understanding the academic classification for disorders and therapeutic strategies so as to be licensed evidently is not the same as being able to identify and treat people on a case by case basis.
OCPD here, a very clear video. I find when I have a lot on that it gets a lot worse which doesn't help as I'm just getting busier and busier
Very informative video.
How does someone with a personality disorder get the help they need if they don't recognise that they need help?
Thank you Kati. Found this very interesting. I’m super glad you are defining terms. I’m also agree with you. Xx
SO needed! Thank you Kati
i've been waiting for your videoo and thank you so much, Kati! Your videos are so helpful for me to understanding myself. Have a nice day!
YAY!! You are very welcome!! You have a wonderful day too!!! xoxo
AVPD here! 😊
Excellent explanations!
Hi Kati! Do you by any chance know when the DSM 6 comes out?
This video helps explain how I was diagnosed with both bipolar 1 and BPD
I love this !! I can relate
Thank you Kati for this video it has help me understand mental disorder better
Great and easy to understand, thanks! :)
Will you please do a video responding to the show Atypical? I watched it recently and discussed with my therapist how I was angry at the portrayal of talk therapy. I wonder what you think about it.
Hey Kati, how do you talk to your psychologist about personality disorders? I’m not a psychologist so I don’t want to make any conclusions/assumptions about what I have and what I don’t.
You are a great teacher. Do you lecture at University? I wish you were my mental health lecturer through nursing school.
HI Kati! I was wondering what you think of those with mental illness going into the psychology field as a career? I know becoming a peer mentor is a job one could have, and I plan on getting my doctorate despite the fact that I struggle greatly with mental illness. It would be great to have some encouragement or insight! Thanks so much for all you do.
When I first read the avoidant personality disorder it made a lot of sense to me, but I'm still scared about the possibility of suffering from it.
Hi Katie I would like to get in touch with you. I had a very rare M.I during pregnancy that no one knew how to properly treat. It was hell and I want to help raise awareness in the mental health community for other pregnant women struggling.
Hi Kati, thank you for the videos you put out, I find them quite helpful. I’m in need of advice and thought this might be a good topic. My parents have recently split and my mother is already seein someone else (3 days after breaking up with my dad). I love with my Mum and someone else in the picture wasn’t what I signed up for when we decided to move in together. The guy my mum is seeing is around all the time and I’m finding it extremely difficult to cope with it right now, I’ve been in recovery for over a year now but this is making have set backs, my Mum seems to have the attitude that she doesn’t care what others think and even cancels plans with me to spend time with him. She thinks that I should just get over it and move on with my life but it’s difficult as I’m exposed to the situation on a daily basis, any help or advice is extremely helpful. I have tried speaking to her about but it’s like she won’t listen. Thanks again
Thank you!!! Everyone in my family was saying my borderline was nothing. Also I didn’t know I was a cluster B (:
My therapist told me I have BPD (back then I didn't even know what it was but I looked it up and I relate to basically every symptom of it) but then once I stopped seeing her (it was an occupational one and we only had a few appointments) she then refused to testify that she said that to me when I told my doctor so I could find proper help for my condition and left me looking like an idiot. Now I can't get the treatment I need because I can't get a diagnosis for what I know I have and I feel like I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place.
crimsonnin2 The best thing would be to just find someone who knows about CBT and DBT therapy always groups therapy with that or you can go online on UA-cam and find many helpful DBT and CBT modules that will help you understand how to deal with your emotions from BPD
My channel has playlists from other UA-camrs about borderline and anger how to cope etx
those are the very videos that help me in the early days when I didn’t have a therapist so I ended up making a playlist of them and I don’t mind sharing them
I wonder how the hell are u so beautiful? Maybe having such a wonderful personality and happiness, makes people prettier outwardly too😁 Love you Kati❤️
Hello Kati !
Could you do a video on Schema Therapy ?
Would dissociative disorders fall under psychotic disorders or is that something totally different? I love you so much Kati! xoxo
Not at all. Dissociative disorders are a category of their own, and not even close to psychotic disorders, but it's easy to see where they can look similar in certain areas.
Okay, I have a question: It makes sense to me that personality disorders should be considered a type of (serious) mental illness. However if the category of mental illness subsists of the five subcategories - anxiety disorders, mood disorders, eating disorders, psychotic disorders and dementia - where do personality disorders fit in? Shouldn't they be a distinct subcategory? If so, shouldn't the category of mental illness contain six different subcategories instead of five?
Kind of unrelated to the topic, but how do I convince my parents to let me go to a therapist/psychologist? I've struggled with anxiety & depression for years now, but my mom doesn't believe mental health care will help at all, and also I guess she had a bad experience with this in the past. I'm tired of having to keep all of my struggles bottled up inside. Any advice?
My friend who is bipolar said to me having EUPD (BPD) is not a serious mental illness and that I just need to change my personality and it will be fine. I felt invalidated which I do not cope well with, particularly when I'm in a very low depressive episode such as now. My father was manic depressive and one of his sister's schizophrenic, my psychiatrist said to me sometimes the psychotic illnesses can skip a generation. Anyway your videos are always very informative Kati, thank you!
Your friend doesn't know what they're talking about. I'm always getting sad and angry when I hear stuff like this because it's the kind of BS that hurts us and it's way too common. If you don't live it, you don't know it.
Suvi-Tuuli Allan thanks. I was very disappointed in him for saying that to me as he has always been supportive before. I think he got pissed off as whenever he would contact me quite often I was still not "happy". He gave me a lot of space after his dig as he knew I was absolutely livid with him. It's horrible to live with and you are right, such dismissive comments do hurt which in turn brings about other negative emotions like the sadness and anger ect.
Daniela Lobos Pérez yes you are right. I think he's just someone who I have sought constant validation from in the past over certain things and have trusted his judgement. As Kati rightly says, bipolar is more episodic, so he has well spells for longer than I do, because BPD is more pervasive, and I totally agree Kati that it seems to stick around for longer!! 🤦
I am so sorry that your friend isn't supportive or understanding. But I am glad my videos and community can give you a safe place to come to talk about it and feel validated :) xox
Chase Kyō thanks for commenting. I know I "cling" to this friend because others have walked away from me for one reason or the other, but I guess making me feel invalidated comes into it again as they have said things like oh well I get a bit sad too sometimes, just get on with it and do this and do that..... I spend a lot of my time in fantasy land, I've always escaped to there since a child. And at the moment I am paranoid all the professionals are against me, they fob me off, they don't help, they are conspiring, they hate me and don't take me seriously ect. They want to get me onto DBT therapy so that I will then stop contacting them (mental health team). I had six months CAT therapy previously, but have not benefitted from it (as in learning coping skills). Anyway I'm rambling! I'm just fed up!
Hi kati the video was interesting! So thankyou! And does a trauma have to affect you frequently? And can you please do some more videos on emotional flashbacks and or emotional upheavel? And what's the difference? Thankyou for reading! 👍💛
This isn't an officially dx'ed personality disorder, but it should be. That is the "intellectually posturing disorder". It involves a compulsion to talk about issues and developments in the economy and in science, even when people don't want to listen. I suffer from that disorder myself, and I have met others who also have it. It's persistent and pervasive.
Could you perhaps make a video talking about BPD and accountability? I’ve been struggling trying to find the correct way to handle the (verbal) abuse I get from my brother. I don’t want to believe that I have to just accept it, with no accountability for his actions on his part. It seems almost like enabling the behavior, even though I know it’s the illness talking. It’s just. Agh. It’s hard. I love him, but he treats me terribly 90% of the time. I don’t know what to do.
Does "personality organization" mean the same thing as "personality disorder" or what is the difference?
Hello I love your videos and always support it
I have a question please
During the period of psychotherapy what should? or what I can do? specially is long time I am making psychoanalysis so in order change my behavior sometime I go to the extreme do you have any tips
No im not new but im your number one fan
Kati, I hope you get more subscribers, because you are awesome
Hey Katie, I have a question about anxiety/depression. I have been seeing a psychologist for a few months for anxiety and throughout this time I have filled out 3 depression, anxiety and stress score sheets. On every occasion my depression score has been high to severe. I do feel the symptoms of depression; however, I don't feel the way I imagined a depressed person would feel. My question is, is it possible I am more depressed than I think I am, and if so is this dangerous?
Thanks!
Please do more video on this topic
Hi Kati, and everybody! Can I ask some advice? I believe I have a mental health issue due to traumatic childhood, and went to see my doctor (gp) today. She said yes I probably do have it but said I should go to counselling, and would not let me get a formal diagnosis. Any idea why she would not diagnose me, or refer me to someone who could? I have been left none the wiser. Thanks to anyone that can help
General practitioners (doctors that usually work in clinics) may not have studied psychology in detail, or may not have enough knowledge about it to give a conclusive diagnosis, since it isn't their specialty. By referring you to a counsellor or a psychologist, she's making sure that you get the correct diagnosis and treatment by someone who knows what they're talking about
Good luck on your counselling session/therapy session if you do decide to go though!
Follow up question - where do conditions like ADHD, autism, and any other neurodiverse conditions fall? I feel like they can contribute to other mental illnesses - especially if they are not diagnosed- but while I can imagine a “me” that isn’t suffering from from depression or anxiety, ADHD (and maybe ASD) traits are such a part of me that I can have trouble understanding neurotypical folks.
Sarah C McCarthy neurodevelopmental disorders :)
I think in the cluster C there should not be antisocial personality disorder, but obsessive PD (the OCPD is missing in the video).
Hey Kati 🙇
Trial begins on the 30th July 😢 but I'm ready 🔰
Great video and very helpful - thank you 💟
Would trauma disorders like PTSD fall into anxiety or mood disorders? Or another category altogether?