Ibn ‘Arabi’s Alchemy of Human Happiness: Interview with Stephen Hirtenstein
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- The philosophy and practice of alchemy, in one form or another, has been around for millennia and espoused by many different cultures, the idea centering around the chemical and physical transformation of some common ore to its highest most valuable state, gold. Modern chemistry naturally discounts this view as outdated and simply not true. But what if that is to miss the point? What if the true alchemical process has little to do with base and precious metals and everything to do man's inner state of being - and the state of his soul?
One of the most important sections of Ibn Arabi's prolific Futūḥāt, the 167th chapter called 'The Alchemy of Human Happiness', focuses on this very subject. Joining us this week on MindMatters we again have the opportunity to discuss the wisdom of the Sufi master Ibn Arabi with Prof Stephen Hirtenstein and his own translation from the original Arabic of the chapter in question.
Can self-perfection bring happiness? Are there paths by which this happiness may be attained? And can personal fulfillment be a byproduct of such a path? Join us as we ask these questions and examine the text that may bring the alchemical process much closer to the everyday work of self growth than one might otherwise imagine.
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It is great talk for deep understanding of the subject. I have ibn Arabi,s great books since 15 years. They are very deep in true divine spiritual sense. Thanks to all of you for enlightening us on this great subject.
LA ILAHA ILLA HOO , 36 TIMES IN QURAN. UNITY --- affirmation of Unity brings happiness.
Asmaa ul tahlil aka La illaha illala 36 time👍😊🙏❤️
this is a really good conversation. thank you.
I'm definitely taking the advice from one of the cohosts and will start re-reading the Alchemy of Human Happinness. I was fortunate to go to some of the reading groups for the Fusus and other talks given by Stephen Hirstenstein in London. It's definitely a treasure of knowledge and wisdom which even though I sometimes lose focus and find myself lost in the labyrinths of life, its a truth to which I always return.
Fascinating show. Thank you.
One of your best?
For a seeker of reality / spirituality, it is profound discussion. Did not know that Ibne Araby was such a deep thinker. Every human being has the capability of attaining this realization that we are and should be in a state of gratitude to THE CREATOR. And this brings in deep sensation of PEACE & HAPPINESS.
Ibn 'Arabi wasn't a thinker, he would receive knowledge from unveiling.
He was such a great sufi and scholar . Thanks for doing this work
Many thanks to you all and specifically mr Stephen.
Great interview! Enjoy the shows and subject matter!!!!
Music ---- and its effect on a human being is so pleasing and comforting. Sort of DIVINE PASSION which occurs as a result of MUSIC & SONG.
The Master and His Emissary
Book by Iain McGilchrist
Describes all the science behind the fact that we have two different persons with completely distinct worldviews and mode of being and knowing inside each of our heads.
Yes, a great book!
@@hkoehli the book is some work, but the idea is most profound yet most people casually move pass it refusing to be convinced which I believe is what the left hemisphere does; it somehow hates the idea there are someone else in control.
@@IMAHMS how about the master is the brain(both sides) and the disciple it's the heart?
@@naturalhealingmexico the heart has no efferent neurons to the brain
@@IMAHMS the heart thinks, sees and reflect ... Western culture has banned the heart from its functions, I am sure Ibn arabi referred to the heart as the disciple when he wrote this chapter ... He was from a another time and culture...
Very deep, profound conversation about spirituality.
Given the time limit in a precious conversation like this: When we go off on a tangent or a side track what allows that to work rather than impede? One key to this is to ask the question and keep it available when need be all along the way. That question is: What roughly is the essential question that we have before us? With this in the back of our mind we can ask of ourselves about any tangent or idea that might pop up in our mind during the conversation. We can ask: Will this diversion or idea help with clarifying the question and help the unfolding of the answer/s to this question or will it most probably not? It is a balancing act and one of subtle discernment. However if we keep it in mind, the precious little time will less likely go to a waste of time. Again it is a question of balance, not too tight and not too loose. On the whole you guys do a good job of it. G. I. Gurdjieff once said: "In the course of our talk we must (need to) gradually mark the signpost of a productive conversation." Thanks be and keep up this good work.
I am reading this book. Thank you❤
I've read ''traité de l'amour'' treaty of love? by Ibn Araby beautiful, that's where I understood the completion of spiritual suffies with christianity....thanks for your work
Alhamdulillah...Masha Allah
Very insightful indeed, thank you so much, may Allah reward you guys, amin 💙
“ Union is the only remedy for separation!!!”
Wow you have it. Hope you experience union.
This is the reality and specially cause what is written on the books and also imam al ghazali goes on the meme road as People who experienced NDE " Near Death Experience ".
There is a word in the Quran called " Tesbih " تسبيح Movement .
Thank you for this video
Interesting
Taoist book mentioned "Foundations of Internal Alchemy The Taoist Practice of Neidan" Wang Mu ?
GOD Is The Light. Light=Energy, Fills all infinite universe... One Is All, All Is ONE
Great discussion 👍🏼
Realisation can not be obtained on individual level as Truth is not bonded to limitations that associated with that . Individual has to overcome it’s limitation of personal self . Individual is the divination that elude the realisation of The Truth that always is and has been beyond time .
Ibn Arabi and Soufisme in general is more than ever an actual subject , especially after the paradigm of modern astrophysics and the non sense of creative chaos , look to all these infinite constants, the least deregulation of a decimal can shoot the univers to unknown realm which we are not aware of , constants like plank, speed of light, Boltzmann ,thousands of others also in biology that moves the universe . and the impossibility of them to align in one dash board without the interference of supreme creator/pilot.
Thanks
POP SONG & MUSIC ------ IF it is a deeper level ---- that is what is to transform. Higher level of BEING.
Loved this
UNION IS THE ONLY WAY TO END THE SEPARATION!!
ALCHEMY OF HAPPINESS--- BY IBN E ARABI. IT IS VERY RICH AND CAN BE TRANSFORMING. BEAUTUFUL.
Its by Al Ghazali no?
@@mosualeh3189 Yes it is. But this is " Alchemy of Human Happiness" which is a chapter from Al futuhat Al Makkeyah.
tHANKS
Sexuality alone is at a lower level of existence----this must be elevated to higher level of LOVE & PASSION.
The mind is a cage,...
but there is no prisoner inside,...
( Jean Klein )
Mashallah
I don't understand the reason for the listener laughing whether lack of understanding of the depth of the subject or what? Great speaker on ibn arabi
A Great show ended in a Great way.
Spiritual Transformation.
How accessible is Stephen’s book?
Your other interview of Stephen got taken down ! 😢
It's up for us: ua-cam.com/video/Ee_P4O2gLOI/v-deo.html
Oh, you're right. It was blocked because we included an Ertugrul clip. Dumb. But we trimmed it out, so it should be available once that process completes.
@@MindMattersVideo it’s okay I found mp3 version 😮💨- but I still get
This video contains content from TRT, who has blocked it on copyright grounds
even on my other browser for the UA-cam vid FYI
What is human happiness ?
Walter White is Back
I'm baffled that you talk a lot about alchemy and not mention Persia even once!!! As if east and west were just jumping over Persia which was a very massive country in those years...
The west it's ignorant about it, please share some authors similar as Ibn arabi. Iran and Iraq gave great teachers of spiritual alchemy, but we are unaware of them.
@@naturalhealingmexico Please look up Rumi and Suhrawardi to begin with.
@@NN-sd2tv those are in my list, any other author? I have Ibn Arabi, Avicenne, Rumi, Suhrawardi, and obviously Imam Jafar and Ali's writings, can you share some more names please? Thanks
@@naturalhealingmexico all of them were Sunni scholars, or else the Iranians in their so-called instant of genius on all things would have done something about it, Rumi was never an Iranian, Persian, more of a Turk from modern day Afghanistan, the Persian deep down inside despises Islam.
لو عدنا لكتابات المرحلة المعاصرة لابن عربي سنجد كتابات في مجالات أخرى تشبه الى حد بعيد كتابات ابن عربي. كتابات تنشد المطلق والمبادئ و المحرك والدافع بلغة أخرى كتابات تسعى الى التنظير والإحاطة الشاملة. يشبه إلى حد بعيد حازم القرطاجني وشعر المتنبي يجب النظر الى ابن عربي من خلال منهاج البلغاء يشببه الى حد بعيد
شكرا لك على تعليقك.
سأكون سعيدا لو شاركت أو ساعدت في فهم وقراءة ابن عربي .
I want be one of your team reading Ibn Arabi.
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Who knows god is his
First of all his prophet had never reached the heavens because all the verses that speak about that were not addressed to Muhammad. And there is no way to learn how to ascend to heaven through studying people like Ibn Arabi, because ascensions only happen for a reason and only to whom God TRUST. You can speak as much as you like and waste time as much as you like. Human perfection can never happen through Alchemy or Sufism or Mysticism etc.., it can only occur through the heart and it already happened several times on an individualistic level. However unfortunately the collective perfection will never happen because the levels of arrogance, ignorance and greed in the majority of world population have reached the points of no return. Ibn Arabi and Muhammad have nothing to do with divinity.. They were merely tools used by the divine to deliver messages that not only helped to shape the future of the human race but also deeply convicted the two men as they fell into the traps of their own egos. The divine work via its own timing, for example it can deliver a cryptic message to Lincoln but its meaning can only understood by Obama decades later! No one can decipher the divine code without winning God's trust. God would never ask for faith to be spread by force. God would never allow a creature to equal in value 4 or 14 other creatures. And if you understand what I mean you would know that God can never allow someone who promotes polygamy and the use of force to reach heaven. Everything in Muhammad's lifestyle contradicts Jesus teachings. Muhammad was pro-worldly life while Jesus was pro Kingdom of God which will force itself eventually on this world which has been all the time a place of test and vetting or in another word a space to allow humans to create their eternal selves or lose the chance. To be or not to be? It has always been the question and we have been given the freedom of choice to decide by our own actions: to be or not to be!
Great show. The guy with shaved head in the first part spoke nothing though. Kinda took away our attention/libido for giving nothing in return.
It's Adab under the circumstances
@@naradaian apologies for being over critical back then