My favorite sequence from the film. Awesome cinematography, especially when the creeping barrage is closing in on the treeline. I have a book on Operation Market Garden by Robert Kershaw, and it's amazing how historically accurate this film is.
Agree. Theres a few dodgy bits ( the wrong helmet on the American during the tower scene and obviously wrong tanks) but so much is right like the doughnut flame thrower on the bridge.
The aircraft are actually T-6 Texan trainers, or Harvards as they were known in RAF service, playing the part of Typhoons or Thunderbolts but definately T-6's. When the film was made there were very few flyable Thunderbolts around and no Typhoons. In fact as at 2007 there was still only one complete Typhoon anywhere which is MN235 and that's in the RAF Museum at Hendon. T-6's have been used in many films to represent a wide range of WW2 aircraft.
The M4 Medium late productions had better visibility buttoned up than contemporary German mediums. It still greatly restricted visibility, however, so it behooves him as a unit officer to maintain as clear of a field of view as possible. U.S. tank destroyers with open tops, for example, have many times seen anti-tank emplacements before things like what happened in this scene occurred.
you've got to admit out of all ww2 movies. this one is probably the most accurate of how battles were going in ww2. and as far as calling the united states dull-brained the united states isn't the one who declared war on 3 of the worlds superpowers, wasted its troops on Stalingrad, switched from bombing military targets, to civilian in the battle of britain and the usa is not the one that murdered jews by the thousands. (which is not only wrong, but wasted a lot of troops and supplies)
Ever saw the west wall on a map? Market Garden was a great plan, it just needed more planing. If the britrish paras had more supplies, their rodios were working or these tanks were few hours faster that plan would have worked and Patton would be remembered only for slaping his men.
also the 25 pounders in the clip are the then current dutch army artillery, taken on a live fire range with the crews dressed in WW2 kit..the sequence was then intercut with the tank action..hence the "sweeping" camera motion when the guns fire.
All the Sherman tanks are the Firefly 17pdr version. But in reality were only deployed 1 in 4. The 17pdr was the only western allied gun to regularly knock out the Panther and Tiger, a fact regognised by the germans and were in turn prime targets for germans. So these were deployed behind the regular Shermans.
Went to Holland with a MVT group back in 2004 i think ..anyway and got talking to an elderly gent who in a nutshell said this bit your on now is that wide part I was totally amazed ...
@HenryvKeiper Yeah this movie honestly is much better than the reviews gave it credit for. Thanks for uploading these clips, you are beyond awesome for it. Do you have a favorite war movie?
Paciat actually primary trainers of WW2. Also armed and used in several theaters just not against the Germans. Search the web there are some interesting pics.
Did anyone play Panzer general 2? The sound from 1:37 to 1:41 was used in that game for allmost every artilllery piece fireing. It was one of my first games that I played on a PC with a sound card. Good times...
I think someone said they were mockups which were meant to be a type of British fighter though I forget which one they were, the do look like P-47s which I think the British flew as well as the Americans, but don't quote me on that because I think they were supposed to be some other kind of plane.
@warwatcher91 Not a problem. And I have a few favorite war films :) Some of them are Cross of Iron, Tora Tora Tora, Glory, The Battle of Britain, Heaven and Earth (the Japanese film), to name a few. I'd put Where Eagles Dare in there, but that's more of an action film than an "actual" war film to me.
@garden2010city Well the thing is, there is so many theories. Such as calculations of needed supplies and enemy movements. etc Remember the British XXX and the airborne forces only were given a small priority over the rest of the allied army for a few days. If XXX corps had reached Arnhem a day or so sooner and re leaved the paras , the allies would of pushed more supplies an troops in to gap. Then taken the industrial heartland of Germany, thereby bringing about the Germans defeat far sooner.
@HenryvKeiper What reason you think they sub them? I'm interested as I have noticed most military films get no credit unless they're American made. lol
@trainswee I wouldn't use a movie clip nor a video game to judge how well individual soldiers fought. I'd just use the testimony of those who were there.
i don't think so, that estimation was made on the basis that there were only a few german units in the area (and im not trying to bash the brits but) xxx corps already took heavy losses so did the para units and did anyone forget the ss were in town :)
I was looking at another clip and I think those planes were supposed to be supermarine spitfires though I think the planes they used were mockups built around T6 Texans, I could be wrong...
I once had a dream to do it as an animated movie, believe it or not. See the anime "The Cockpit" for a cool way to do World War II stories in the animated format.
It’s not a true antiwar film, none of them are. true antiwar would have shown how the functional drunk war mongering Churchill, desperate to get us out of a depression Roosevelt and a Marshal Jozef Pilsudski who dreamed of a new Polish empire, started us down the road towards WWII
Allies were lucky Market Garden failed part 3: So 2nd Brit Army is encircled at ruhr Valley . Obviously unlike Luftwaffe Allies could supply them from the air but it could use a lot of air power probably heavy bombers as well ( 2nd Brit army could need even 2000 tons a day,not enough c-47s ) so it could stepped down allies bomber offensive. Allies could try to relieve the pocket but it could divert forces from attacks on broad front and crossing the Rhein - its my theory
Allies were lucky Market Garden failed part 2 : So 2nd BA and other units stucked in front of Ruhr Valley in constant fear of their flanks and ONE SINGLE highway in narrow corridor supplying them. 2nd BA could need a lot of resources that diverted from other units could slow down Allies somewhere else. Later Germany launches offensive not in ardennes but on flanks of 2nd BritArmy cut off narrow corridor and encircle 2nd BritArmy like 6th Army at Stalingrad.
@trainswee They're Americans and their glorious ideals who seem to do that. ;) I agree, most troops of most nations done all they could during the war. Yet Germany did have a huge advantage in advanced weapons, tanks, aircraft that makes me very proud at the British and Colonial troops who fought so well through out the whole war against a more advanced and a well trained foe.
@@drogomuircastle7175 In most movies, a single character does what several do. Easier to tell the story that way. A lot like Julian Cook chewing out the Royal Army's tank commander after Nijmegen bridge, that was actually done by another 82nd Airborne officer.
Robert Eugene There is no Royal Army, some, but not all British units are 'royal'... Also Lt Peter Carrington, later Lord Carrington and the 1st Lord of the Admiralty, Defence Minister and Foreign Secretary said he did not recollect the incident after he and his unit, the first unit to cross as the US paratroop attack had fizzled out by that stage, had crossed the bridge. That's the problem with these sort of stories, the 'other bloke' sometimes didn't just vanish...
@@drogomuircastle7175 That being the case (in re: the Royal Army terminology), I stand corrected. I should imagine XXX Corps would be more accurate. In any case, point was that one character in any dramatization might do what several characters in fact did. In the historical effort to spur the XXX Corps tanks on to Arnhem, the movie producers used Maj. Julian Cook (portrayed by Robert Redford), rather than the whole of the American officers who attempted to get XXX Corps tanks on the move.
Allies were lucky Market Garden failed part 1: If 2nd British Army gets Arnhem they attack Ruhr Valley from the North BUT : 2nd BA wasnt able to capture it alone : urban combat needs a lot of manpower and firepower so they could stuck down in heavy urban combat ( remember in spring 1945 Ruhr Valley fought surrounded for 2 weeks). Other allies units stucked in front of siegfried line ( Huertguen forrest etc. ). 2nd BA couldnt encircle ruhr valley because of lack of pincer attack from the south
There is one thing that bothers me in the ETO. At the same time in PTO the Marines had great ground support aircraft while in the ETO they had broad air support targeting transport and group transport areas but not close in air support with armor/infantry! From D-Day to after the Bulge the use of Allied air power was not as effective as in the Pacific!
While aircraft in the ETO were more focused on strategic bombing of cities and interdiction, meaning hitting supply lines, the US did improve on close air support thanks to General Elwood “Pete” Quesada who was in charge of 9 Air Force. He was able to use the microwave early warning radar system as a means of more efficient fighter direction on air support missions and got pilots to serve on the ground as forward air controllers. Under his guidance, VHF radio sets were included in tanks and other vehicles for pilots serving as FACs to call in direct air support when out of artillery range. There is a nice book called Overlord: General Pete Quesada and the Triumph of Tactical Air Power in World War II that goes into more detail. The British developed the cab rank system, which had fighter bombers in the air on standby for quick air support and developed the idea of using rockets on their Typhoon fighters to take out armor and vehicles that the US adopted with their P47 Thunderbolts.
As for the US Marines, there were a series of military operations they were involved in military operations in Haiti and Nicaragua in the 1920s that they were pioneering dive bombing and other close air support concepts. Since the PTO had smaller battle fronts and the Japanese started to dig in and fight from fixed positions, it was easier to call in close air support whereas the ETO had more of a mobile battlefield on a wider area, so interdiction was probably a better use of air power than close air support.
yep they (almost knew) Germany was defeated But those Germans were pretty darn good, trouble Monty was not playing with a full deck, he was fighting ww2 with ww1 tactics!!!
Call out to war nerds, what planes are those? Look like the same ones that come to the rescue at the end of Saving Private Ryan but I presume theyre British not American.
They look like they’re supposed to look like P47 Thunderbolts in the film due to their radial engine. In the book, the RAF were using Hawker Typhoon fighter bombers that fired rockets and dropped bombs.
Micheal Caine actually served in the British Royal Fusiliers in the 1950s, a line Infantry regiment
in korea
My favorite sequence from the film. Awesome cinematography, especially when the creeping barrage is closing in on the treeline.
I have a book on Operation Market Garden by Robert Kershaw, and it's amazing how historically accurate this film is.
I remember seeing this scene when it first came out as a 23 year old. Scared the bejeebers out of me.
Agree. Theres a few dodgy bits ( the wrong helmet on the American during the tower scene and obviously wrong tanks) but so much is right like the doughnut flame thrower on the bridge.
The aircraft are actually T-6 Texan trainers, or Harvards as they were known in RAF service, playing the part of Typhoons or Thunderbolts but definately T-6's. When the film was made there were very few flyable Thunderbolts around and no Typhoons. In fact as at 2007 there was still only one complete Typhoon anywhere which is MN235 and that's in the RAF Museum at Hendon. T-6's have been used in many films to represent a wide range of WW2 aircraft.
my Grandfather yes - i'm ooold was in the Argonne Forest in WW1. The barrage moving in on them was common and very scary - wow!
A Bridge Too Far is a great film, I have it on DVD. Thanks for uploading this.
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I think this scene sums up the '44 onwards Western Front battles pretty well!
Definitely. It's just a good example of cooperative tactics between ground, artillery, and air forces.
The M4 Medium late productions had better visibility buttoned up than contemporary German mediums. It still greatly restricted visibility, however, so it behooves him as a unit officer to maintain as clear of a field of view as possible.
U.S. tank destroyers with open tops, for example, have many times seen anti-tank emplacements before things like what happened in this scene occurred.
The Artillery guns are 25 pounders (or 84mm to be more precise), the Sherman Firefly Tanks had 17 pounder guns (or 76mm).
you've got to admit out of all ww2 movies. this one is probably the most accurate of how battles were going in ww2. and as far as calling the united states dull-brained the united states isn't the one who declared war on 3 of the worlds superpowers, wasted its troops on Stalingrad, switched from bombing military targets, to civilian in the battle of britain and the usa is not the one that murdered jews by the thousands. (which is not only wrong, but wasted a lot of troops and supplies)
Why Market Garden didn't work summed up in one line. "The Wide Part".
This movie and Stalingrad are my favorite war movies.
Ever saw the west wall on a map? Market Garden was a great plan, it just needed more planing. If the britrish paras had more supplies, their rodios were working or these tanks were few hours faster that plan would have worked and Patton would be remembered only for slaping his men.
also the 25 pounders in the clip are the then current dutch army artillery, taken on a live fire range with the crews dressed in WW2 kit..the sequence was then intercut with the tank action..hence the "sweeping" camera motion when the guns fire.
0:06 All guns, commence firing!
4:34 that has to be the fastest firing .50 cal ever made aside from a gatling gun XD
First Best part of This movie
British artillery at our best!
All the Sherman tanks are the Firefly 17pdr version. But in reality were only deployed 1 in 4. The 17pdr was the only western allied gun to regularly knock out the Panther and Tiger, a fact regognised by the germans and were in turn prime targets for germans. So these were deployed behind the regular Shermans.
Went to Holland with a MVT group back in 2004 i think ..anyway and got talking to an elderly gent who in a nutshell said this bit your on now is that wide part I was totally amazed ...
I doubt that too, the wings on the first one are small and slightly swept back along the leading edges, and the rest all have squared off wingtips.
Never under estimate Artillery. Patton used it too devastate the Germans. Then used Air support to pound them in fixed positions.
Montgomery was doing that when Patton was still on the other side of the Atlantic.
@HenryvKeiper Yeah this movie honestly is much better than the reviews gave it credit for. Thanks for uploading these clips, you are beyond awesome for it.
Do you have a favorite war movie?
Ah cheers man, thats really good info! No i can stop looking for what they are!
Barely saw it! Good eye, thanks!
T6 Texans. Stunt planes not used in any war.
Paciat actually primary trainers of WW2. Also armed and used in several theaters just not against the Germans. Search the web there are some interesting pics.
T6 was an American trainer aircraft.
Of course he can but as a commander he has to see the battlefield. When driving he's a difficult target for a sniper (if there are any alive).
Great battle scene!
Did anyone play Panzer general 2?
The sound from 1:37 to 1:41 was used in that game for allmost every artilllery piece fireing.
It was one of my first games that I played on a PC with a sound card. Good times...
Why all the Shermans firefly's? In British armored it was usually 1 in 4 Shermans were fireflys.
The aircraft that were used in the film are modified harvards
Man i just read this part of the book.. fascinating!
Well, at least you haven't had to turn the comments off this clip...yet.
I feel your pain, brother. I really do.
Most of the knocked out Shermans are regular 75mm version no sign of them in the initial advance. I wonder if this was deliberate?
I think someone said they were mockups which were meant to be a type of British fighter though I forget which one they were, the do look like P-47s which I think the British flew as well as the Americans, but don't quote me on that because I think they were supposed to be some other kind of plane.
"Start the Purple"
which was the smoke
@warwatcher91 Not a problem.
And I have a few favorite war films :) Some of them are Cross of Iron, Tora Tora Tora, Glory, The Battle of Britain, Heaven and Earth (the Japanese film), to name a few. I'd put Where Eagles Dare in there, but that's more of an action film than an "actual" war film to me.
@Paciat yes i know this sound also from panzer general. i first don't recognized it but now i know it
I doubt they're Typhoons, they lack the large radiator that it and the Tempest both shared.
@garden2010city
Well the thing is, there is so many theories. Such as calculations of needed supplies and enemy movements. etc
Remember the British XXX and the airborne forces only were given a small priority over the rest of the allied army for a few days.
If XXX corps had reached Arnhem a day or so sooner and re leaved the paras , the allies would of pushed more supplies an troops in to gap. Then taken the industrial heartland of Germany, thereby bringing about the Germans defeat far sooner.
@warwatcher91 Good point.
@HenryvKeiper What reason you think they sub them? I'm interested as I have noticed most military films get no credit unless they're American made. lol
@trainswee I wouldn't use a movie clip nor a video game to judge how well individual soldiers fought. I'd just use the testimony of those who were there.
i wonder if the Germans thought that because of the fast rate of fire that it was automatic fire .
Good scene
i don't think so, that estimation was made on the basis that there were only a few german units in the area (and im not trying to bash the brits but) xxx corps already took heavy losses so did the para units and did anyone forget the ss were in town :)
best scene of the film. 5*
Any plan that assumes a passive enemy isn't a plan. It's a daydream.
I was looking at another clip and I think those planes were supposed to be supermarine spitfires though I think the planes they used were mockups built around T6 Texans, I could be wrong...
This a realistic battle nothing like call of duty where the enemy is always the one dying and losing!!
i DID THIS IN COMPANY OF HEROS THE OTHER DAY!!! :)
Montgomery, in his eagerness to compete with Patton, jeopardized the lives of his man. Such a man does not deserve to be a general.
what size do u reckon the bombs were. i think theyre 500lb
does anybody have any idea what those planes are? my best guess would be Curtiss P-36 Mohawks, but I doubt I'm correct.
I think watching this clip after a few time, the bren gunner was blown to bits as Mahbu says
Can that vehicle allow him to duck down inside? Or does he have to suck it up and try not to get hit?
Yes i agree, I dont think a small flighter could carry a huge payload under one wing
I once had a dream to do it as an animated movie, believe it or not. See the anime "The Cockpit" for a cool way to do World War II stories in the animated format.
3:39 Start the purple! *START THE PURPLE!!!*
best part of the movie, too bad my dvd is scratched and this is the only part that skips :(
the whole columns of tanks were fireflies
apparently the cravats are kevlar these days............. but one can still cut a dash..
why is it, the anti war films are some of the best war films.. anyone notice that?
Kind of answered your own question there, cos they have that subtext...
It’s not a true antiwar film, none of them are. true antiwar would have shown how the functional drunk war mongering Churchill, desperate to get us out of a depression Roosevelt and a Marshal Jozef Pilsudski who dreamed of a new Polish empire, started us down the road towards WWII
Why did you make the same comment on several videos?
what is that in mm?
Pak 41's were 75mm. More than adequate for killing Shermans at that range.
Allies were lucky Market Garden failed part 3: So 2nd Brit Army is encircled at ruhr Valley . Obviously unlike Luftwaffe Allies could supply them from the air but it could use a lot of air power probably heavy bombers as well ( 2nd Brit army could need even 2000 tons a day,not enough c-47s ) so it could stepped down allies bomber offensive. Allies could try to relieve the pocket but it could divert forces from attacks on broad front and crossing the Rhein - its my theory
@HenryvKeiper Well remember this movie was made soon after american finished its involvment with vietnam.
1977 - during in the summer, between 2 movies like Star Wars: A New Hope, which came before, and Saturday Night Fever, which came after.
i don't know what you have against the usa but as far as the cold war.. we still came out on top. (and without starting ww3)
They were on time until they got to nijmenjen bridge?
@edavismookie25 Bless you for saying it. These guys were fighting and dying. Their electronic critics are pushing buttons on a keyboard. Thank you.
Allies were lucky Market Garden failed part 2 : So 2nd BA and other units stucked in front of Ruhr Valley in constant fear of their flanks and ONE SINGLE highway in narrow corridor supplying them. 2nd BA could need a lot of resources that diverted from other units could slow down Allies somewhere else. Later Germany launches offensive not in ardennes but on flanks of 2nd BritArmy cut off narrow corridor and encircle 2nd BritArmy like 6th Army at Stalingrad.
@HenryvKeiper i mean the german army in general
The Oscars snubbed this movie pretty badly didn't they particularly where cinematography and sound effects are concerned.
are the cannons british 75 pounders?
25 pounders.
The british Sherman firefly used a 17 pounder gun.Not a 75 pounder gun.
I do see your point. Just imagin how the Germans must have felt with all that fire power creeping towards em. Thats brown pants stuff!
yes thunderbolt republic p-47
Those were RAF aircrafts.
WRONG !!! Harvard Trainers !!!g
still seen today in trooping the colour
@trainswee They're Americans and their glorious ideals who seem to do that. ;)
I agree, most troops of most nations done all they could during the war.
Yet Germany did have a huge advantage in advanced weapons, tanks, aircraft that makes me very proud at the British and Colonial troops who fought so well through out the whole war against a more advanced and a well trained foe.
They do this to clear the area of mines and provide smoke cover for the on coming troops!
Yeah all the arty shells exploding litterly would of blotted out all of the sound from snipers.
Wow winner
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The Dutch are cool 8)
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Sorry, on second watching he's not in an M4.
But yes: what I said still applies to that armored car. He can, but he doesn't for reasons of visibility.
movies can not capture the true emmensity of these things, too expensive. Try that artillery x100 is the real thing back then.
I somehow don't see a Corps Commander having to give the order to fire purple smoke to start a ground attack...
Purple smoke was for calling in the fighter bombers
Technically it was to call down a strike from what were known as 'cab ranks'. However that was never a Lt General's job.
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In most movies, a single character does what several do. Easier to tell the story that way. A lot like Julian Cook chewing out the Royal Army's tank commander after Nijmegen bridge, that was actually done by another 82nd Airborne officer.
Robert Eugene There is no Royal Army, some, but not all British units are 'royal'...
Also Lt Peter Carrington, later Lord Carrington and the 1st Lord of the Admiralty, Defence Minister and Foreign Secretary said he did not recollect the incident after he and his unit, the first unit to cross as the US paratroop attack had fizzled out by that stage, had crossed the bridge.
That's the problem with these sort of stories, the 'other bloke' sometimes didn't just vanish...
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That being the case (in re: the Royal Army terminology), I stand corrected. I should imagine XXX Corps would be more accurate.
In any case, point was that one character in any dramatization might do what several characters in fact did. In the historical effort to spur the XXX Corps tanks on to Arnhem, the movie producers used Maj. Julian Cook (portrayed by Robert Redford), rather than the whole of the American officers who attempted to get XXX Corps tanks on the move.
4:48 - end of party
jajaja
thunderbolt power! xD
Yes on looking, i have no idea now that you say that, whatever they are they do a good job on those germans
Allies were lucky Market Garden failed part 1: If 2nd British Army gets Arnhem they attack Ruhr Valley from the North BUT : 2nd BA wasnt able to capture it alone : urban combat needs a lot of manpower and firepower so they could stuck down in heavy urban combat ( remember in spring 1945 Ruhr Valley fought surrounded for 2 weeks). Other allies units stucked in front of siegfried line ( Huertguen forrest etc. ). 2nd BA couldnt encircle ruhr valley because of lack of pincer attack from the south
There is one thing that bothers me in the ETO. At the same time in PTO the Marines had great ground support aircraft while in the ETO they had broad air support targeting transport and group transport areas but not close in air support with armor/infantry! From D-Day to after the Bulge the use of Allied air power was not as effective as in the Pacific!
Simple answer; Smaller front in the PTO and it's Marine Pilots flying in support of Marine ground troops.
While aircraft in the ETO were more focused on strategic bombing of cities and interdiction, meaning hitting supply lines, the US did improve on close air support thanks to General Elwood “Pete” Quesada who was in charge of 9 Air Force. He was able to use the microwave early warning radar system as a means of more efficient fighter direction on air support missions and got pilots to serve on the ground as forward air controllers. Under his guidance, VHF radio sets were included in tanks and other vehicles for pilots serving as FACs to call in direct air support when out of artillery range. There is a nice book called Overlord: General Pete Quesada and the Triumph of Tactical Air Power in World War II that goes into more detail. The British developed the cab rank system, which had fighter bombers in the air on standby for quick air support and developed the idea of using rockets on their Typhoon fighters to take out armor and vehicles that the US adopted with their P47 Thunderbolts.
As for the US Marines, there were a series of military operations they were involved in military operations in Haiti and Nicaragua in the 1920s that they were pioneering dive bombing and other close air support concepts. Since the PTO had smaller battle fronts and the Japanese started to dig in and fight from fixed positions, it was easier to call in close air support whereas the ETO had more of a mobile battlefield on a wider area, so interdiction was probably a better use of air power than close air support.
What are those planes. I know british didn`t use them in 1944. They look a bit like Bristol Buffalo or Grumman Hellcat but I don`t know.
Harvard T6 Trainers ?g
Lol, triggered to Geyman fanboys.
i heard that like 10,000 people have played for soldier in this movie :D
i don't know or its true...
Why would you want that? they only end up redoing it with silly computer graphics
@schizoidboy The Oscars always seem to snub military films.
I wonder why...
Saving Private Ryan, Patton, All Quiet on the Western Front, Sergeant York, The Longest Day, Platoon.... Maybe they just snub British Films.
@Sonnypjim09 Hollywood tends to be left-wing, or left-leaning.
Military = bad right off the bat
i believe you also see the same aircrafts in the movie Soldier of Orange (Soldaat van Oranje)
Dutch rule!
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yep they (almost knew) Germany was defeated But those Germans were pretty darn good, trouble Monty was not playing with a full deck, he was fighting ww2 with ww1 tactics!!!
Call out to war nerds, what planes are those? Look like the same ones that come to the rescue at the end of Saving Private Ryan but I presume theyre British not American.
They look like they’re supposed to look like P47 Thunderbolts in the film due to their radial engine. In the book, the RAF were using Hawker Typhoon fighter bombers that fired rockets and dropped bombs.
Ah so that's a creeping barrage.. how the heck any Germans walked out of there I dont know..