For reddit to relearn something they'd have to first learn it to begin with. They follow guides without understanding core mechanics of the game and then spend their entire time complaining about not getting mirrors from sitting in their hideout. I'm gonna enjoy the salt threads about the bosses.
Ah yes the classic Reddit pants down fit, furiously beating their micro shaft while playing the game with captain lance vid on the other monitor. They will get over it eventually.
@@steel5897 you've got a point 😂 me as someone whom played the game until the end game without relying or looking for guides... I dont suffer relearning a new game
in POE1 after you unlock the campaign you should be able to create a lvl 65 character with nothing allocated. you shouldn't even have to go 1-65.. what's the point really? if you're gonna skip the campaign it should start right at end game lvl 65-70. also all this randomized layout stuff for the campaign is just an annoyance. campaign wouldn't be nearly as bad if after the 50th time you remembered all the turns and even as a "casual" player could try to optimize times. instead they demand no-lifing it. you have to study and memorize 100 layout possibilities per zone.
Indeed, i personaly love that you have to do the campaign. Progressing the character from lvl 1 is what makes it fun. And you can still use lvling items if you wanna speed it up for alt characters. Another ggg W
@@chrishayes5755 yee, they also should give you mageblood and 100 divs... A lot of builds starts bad/ starts with completly different skills setup for early and people wrongfully think their unpleasant experience is caused by campaign. You wouldn't have better experience without campaign. Tbh it would be worse because it would be soo repetetive like OP said.
@@qlcrane8019they dont have reskins in a campaign, they said that very specifically that there is 100+ different bosses. They are preparing for end game where they will reuse those bosses but with additional skills or mechanics.
As long as we have enough randomization, our characters don't feel bad in the beginning and we aren't pigeon holed into the same leveling builds the campaign will be fine. Both the campaign and maps are just areas with monsters and bosses but in one our characters have the neccessary attack/cast/movement speed and damage to be fun in POE1 standards and in the other it's a clunky mess. Ironic how many don't want to run "the same campaign" again but run the same map 100 times without a problem. I don't dislike shortcuts for second characters that are extra content like dungeons in Last Epoch, I think. Granted, Last Epoch needs it badly because their campaign has 0 randomization which made me realize that POE1s campaign isn't all that bad.
It’s ironic that people prefer to run a single map 100 times rather than a campaign once. But it demonstrates the value of the illusion of choice. If someone thinks they’re choosing to do something, they’re far more willing to sacrifice novelty. If they can introduce the illusion of choice in the campaign, they’ll have really solved the ARPG’s dilemma of making the early game intriguing long term.
I will never forget how the d4 devs spent a majority of their resource on the campaign with all the quests and cinematics and then in season 1 they made the campaign skippable. Literally killed their game because progression was removed. poe devs are so based for understanding this
The D4 campaign should definitely yield a similar amount of xp as spamming helltides/infernal hordes (currently too much xp), but having alternative ways to level is really cool.
The D4 Skip Campaign should just give you the Key missions/Encounters as optional content and give XP akin to the time spent on other levelling strats.
People were saying this about an exchange market for years too. Look how that turned out to be completely wrong. It's one of the best features to be added to the game in years. Campaign skip for your second and third characters shouldn't be an issue. Old-heads like Quin are simply wrong about yet another thing and afraid of change. TLDR Edit for the idiots who can't read. I'm not talking about your first character. Once you have twink leveling gear the campaign is a joke for alt characters anyways. Learn to respect your time. Anyone saying that leveling in twink gear is difficult or engaging is a damn clown and probably can't make it out of act 1 without dying.
@@SuperCatacata People are strange. I am not a competitive player, chasing efficiency above all and such, so i would not be affected by the skip as i would never be compelled to use it. But i really don't understand the mentality of wanting the game to feel smaller. Nor the idea of playing a ARPG but not actually wanting to creat and develop a character, which in my eyes is the point of the campaign, while the maps are to take said character to the limit. Seems hollow, the kind of reasoning that leads people to speed run games and then cry about how little there is to the game.
@@SuperCatacatadefinitely disagree. currency market is just pure quality of life, skipping the campaign completely negates a part of the game. i know that if i could just skip the campaign i would play much less time in a league overall, as i would have less of a sense of progression.
A lot of players don't have the time and energy to research every option and skill, so I think for them it's great to have suggested build options so they can just choose between a few easy options instead of doing a deep dive into the systems. The depth and micromanagement of everything is still there for those who really want to get into it.
@@taylon5200 Everyone needs to start somewhere. I think many of those who are "lazy" new casuals will once they get into the game start learning more and eventually also explore the deeper customization options. At least having the suggested options won't put them off from trying the game.
I have friends who *Absolutely refuse to play standard* but also *hate the campaign and never want to run it again and wish they could skip straight to endgame*. They say things like "anything that happens in standard is a complete waste, its pointless, it means nothing". I'm not saying that I think standard is great, but my god, if they're bitching this much when the solution is right in front of them... I just can't understand why they cause their own stupid suffering like that.
If you dont play HCSSF witouth any makros any flask and only use 1 portal in a room thats 40°C with your eye sight blurred to 10% vision you`re a mobile gamer
I'm a new player and I started in 3.24 necropolis. I started SSF and did no build guide, the game is complex and has a steep learning curve but it is rewarding as you progress I made it to the pinnacle bosses but couldn't beat them. This season I went trade same build and beat all the content so if you are willing to put in the time to the game you will be rewarded. Doing it this way has my knowledge of the game higher than some people who just follow a guide and have played for years. If you want to get better at the game you have to play the game and learn to understand all the systems.
Based comment right here. That’s how I started but ended up following guides with the excuse that I didn’t have time to learn the game. Filling guides made me hate the game if I failed and got bored suuuuper fast. Playing HC SSF right now and love it
@@garrettholden7784 yeah I've played d4 and LE and making a build was easy. I hate guides ruins the fun of the game for me. PoE was a different beast though I'm at 1000 hours since launch of necropolis and I just got my build into pinnacle boss beater but it has been the most fun I've had with a game ever and I've been gaming for 30 years and that's including the head bashing moments when I would get stuck
PoE 2 looking so good. I have faith that they will do it right. If you wanna be that unkillable god with second to second screen clears you should work for it, grind your gear and optimize your skill tree. Feeling like the ooba ooba saviour of the world at level 20 just ain't it. Really my only concern is that my old CPU is too shitty for it haha
The campaign is so nice, the leveling and gearing process is amazing for people who don't finish the league in three weeks. At least it's kinda a rush for me, who finishes it in about a day...
And it's such a simple thing to implement. A lot of online games nowadays have it, too. Thankfully, this won't be too much of a problem in PoE 2 due to the game being much slower.
@@kiwiinbrazilOf course it is. It is a basic "kill cam" feature that we've had for well over a decade in online games. It uses server-side data to replay the events tick-by-tick. It's not perfect as it is the server-side POV and will skip anything between ticks, but can give you a good idea of what happened.
@@sujimayne No, it is not a ''basic feature'', especially in arpgs. A lot more goes into it than ''just code it bro'', like exponential costs for servers.
Plus, I think it’s important that while the attacks per second are going down the decisions per second are going up which makes us that the game is actually a bit more involved. I would almost say that it makes the game more fast feeling
For the new player experience, they should do it like Hearthstone. Hearthstone has an embedded tutorial (which you can turn off) that makes deck suggestions without actually choosing the cards for you. So it could have pre-made builds onhand, and you can choose to have it guide your levelup choices or gear choices.
What if when you start your character it gives you some prebuild option to choose. Then when you are playing the game it will highlight items and gems for that build. In the passive tree it would highlight the next node to choose. For the item, when you hover over it a tooltip comes up and explains why its better to wear that then what you are wearing. Once you learn the game you could start to deviate from that or just choose to not follow that. I think that would be cool
Skipping campaign is boring and not a good way to test new characters. D3 already did that, played it for six months and never looked back. Ive been playing POE for 4 years now, the campaign helped in making that leveling from new char not boring for me.
I really hope this game is a departure from the speed of endgame that currently exists in PoE. I get that people enjoy zooming through a map at 5x speed nuking everything and I don't want to take that experience away from them in PoE, but PoE2 should distance itself from that and give meaningful and engaging minute to minute combat and not a currency collection simulator.
Agree. I enjoy being a bit slow in poe1, but it's annoying when that's considered "ultra slow". I do hope the standard speed is greatly reduced in poe2. But still has the ability to be quick.
I don't think they should ever do campaign skips, but IMO I do think it would be nice if they made it to where after you get all your passive points from the side quests you don't have to do it again that league and then when you start a new character you have a few extra points to help level new characters faster.
I could see maybe doing kind of like what LE did could work. Not exactly skipping the campaign but having alternate routes that do skip portions of it that go through the dungeons, which is very nice to do with twinked alts and such.
I'd like to see a poe campaign work kinda like how remnant 2 did it to change it up a bit each playthrough, if it's anything like that then perfect imo👌
Happy medium is making players complete the campaign with their first character in every league, and then if they make an alt they can create them without gear but at level 70 with all skill points to spend, but no gear (transfer gear from main/stash)
@@roffo in some way true yet i got 83lvl ;) on this league and pushing a lil bit - and man i am not advocating for leaving the system - i am just a voice of 45yeras old dude who is playing max 10 maps per day max
@@Cucumiso yeah, fair enough - the people sick of campaign are the ones that have done it 100s if not 1000s of times. I couldn't watch my favourite movie nearly that many times
"What would that look like?" It would look like Baldur's Gate 3's internal wiki...which poe2 has. If you can't get through the campaign with that, grab your wallet and pay $100 for each vapid D4 patch.
That is not what I want to hear. If the gameplay gets fast as POE 1 at end.. I will spend zero cents on the game. I am ready to throw hundreds of USD on this game, but it needs to keep the pace where we can play our skills in the GAME not in POB
Seeing John at the recent show. They so all suggested supports for a set skill. Its a middle ground. Is this support best? Who knows. But all these supports will work. It lets you experiment and fail but knowing that your choice is the "perfect" one... is yours.
Im not a fan of campaign skips or party boosting but I would much rather have teleport 1 shots + entire screens vanish than spending 10 minutes per map and 30 on the map boss because of some arbitrary "weight"/"vison". I would agree "eventually" you should feel like a god. But id much rather have everything be harder or take longer but be 80-90% deterministic rather than 80-90% rng and if you get lucky you get to feel like a god sooner, where if you dont you are perma stuck in a hamster wheel going nowhere. 🤷♂️
Nobody is advocating for 30 minute boss encounters. Not a single person. And none of the devs have made any indication that this is the direction they are taking with bossing or maps. You are dooming based on a complete fabrication. It's crazy how people defend one extreme by claiming others just want another extreme.
I enjoy doing the campaign, the first time. I know I would enjoy the game more if I didn't have to do that chore on my 4th reroll. I don't want an instant level 70 character or anything, I just want to blast while leveling the same way I do later on. I don't doubt for a minute that you enjoy doing the campaign and thinks it's good to do, but and this might be hard for you because you are fucking quin, not everyone thinks the same way as you. People have different preferences, likes and dislikes. It's a really hard concept to grasp for anyone who hasn't matured past the point of a middle school child, but then again I should know better then to expect more from this #gamer community.
I don't think they'll redo maps, there hasn't been a season where there's a drastic change in maps for them to test any potential ideas/changes. They're taking all the successful ideas from PoE1 and putting it into 2
Campaign skip is tricky. On one hand, you get to the endgame faster. On the other hand, it dimishes the value of the game big time and ppl run out of things to do quick. Campaign is an integral part to a game.
When POE 2 comes out, does POE 1 get a massive graphics update to match POE2? I havent seen this addressed anywhere...and how is it going to work for the campaign? Is POE2 a continuation of POE1, or can you choose where you want to start off?
The first part is unlikely. Although quality of life features of PoE2 can backport into PoE1. PoE2 *was* a expansion that got turned into a *standalone game*, it takes place 20 years after the end of the campaign in PoE1. Just treat it as a new game/new character. The only thing that'll *transfer over* is the MTX you buy, as long as it exists in PoE2 too. (Same applies backporting, you won't have a bear or werewolf skin since that's a druid class from poe2 thing) Edit: What the person told on top of my comment is true, this current league in PoE1 is basically a meta league, that's moving the world story forward. In this league we are basically helping the foundations of Kingsmarch, which is a port city in Act 3 of PoE2, the city was first shown in Exilecon.
No. It wouldn't support PoE1 gameplay. The game is too chaotic to run on modern systems at a stable framerate. Even the current graphical fidelity can struggle on high end hardware if you juice maps.
Its just gamers are so critical lately that no game is launched officially, they all use "beta" or " early access" so they can always say its not completely ready and polished if something goes wrong. This is just a launch Quin is right.
I love quin , I got banned from alkaizer ban for loving quin , but god damn my man's roasting twitch streamers while he died to al hezmin with a CI build 😂😂😂
"PoE2, youre gonna get 1 chaos per day, your character is gonna get cheesed by some bs mechanic in a boss fight, you're gonna die and have to slowly kill 3 enemies per map on your fifth run and your gonna be sad" -Ben
I see a problem arising... PoE players are expecting a better looking, less complicated, higher quality of life PoE. It is all of those things, but the things they're not expecting are going to be so massively different that I don't see PoE vets liking PoE 2 very much. Just my honest opinion, I think PoE 2 will bring back everyone who quit 1, or wanted to try it but didn't. And the vets will play it for a month and then return to 1 where they'll stay.
Story mode is the best part, D2 is King, D4 is backwards you skip everything and its just silly, you are Godly Day 1 in D4 which is sad, everyone is legendary, I Hope POE 2 you have to earn the title of God, and be good not just everyone get it just by logging in
Nah... skipping campaign is like skipping eating breakfast, taking a bath or waking up from sleep, I played so many ARPG for my life and dude skipping campaign is not fun, it will make you stop caring about the game it will become only a memory
I'd like campaign repeats if there were 100x more map generation ect.. ya know that thing Diablo (one) was built on that's been long forgotten. Static maps in all arpgs now sad af.
poe1 leagues wont get smaller - they actualy DeVeLoPing poe2 at the moment, and we get biggest leagues ever once poe2 is out, they could be even bigger
“Clicking three buttons” dude some builds in poe 1 don’t even click to use skills cause it’s all auto cast. So one button to just dash around.. and maybe you click to pick up currency. So two buttons in poe 1 lol
@@samgreen8582 One of the things fixed with POE2, zooming trash ruined a lot of POE1 it started off a lot slower. Dumbest thing in ARPG's catering to that type of low gamer
14:50 "...are you killing 30 monsters in dark souls..." no, but im not playing dark souls nor i want to play dark souls "do you need to obliterate screens every 3 seconds, no you don´t " you don´t get it man... Is not about deleting whole screens every 3 seconds. 99% of the population never reach that level, the real apeal about poe is if you have enough experience, game knowledge, currency, spend hours theorycrafting testing and playing the game, you could potentially reach the point were you could obliterate screens every 1 second. Every other game were this is not possible, people eventually just quit because they feel they achieved the peak of their potential. In PoE this potential is so high and hard to achieve that works as a carrot at the end of the stick that keeps players coming back after 10 years of still playing. You wan´t poe 2 to be a slow paced game with no degeneracy? I bet you it will die not soon after if they do that...
I dunno. If the gameplay is as slow as it looks, I might give it a playthrough once, and then go back to zooming in PoE 1. I respect methodical gameplay in a single playthrough, but I'm not gonna do that same thing every season. That's where their strategy comes into question. Is Dark Souls good? Is Elden Ring good. Yep. Once, maybe twice. But not 4 times a year.
the fck main story of this new big exp stops at chaper 2 and chap 2 only went for 45mins and then time gated it lol dead set 5 mins of cutscenes 15 mins killing shit the rest of the time flying around and now its locked till they decide to release more lol and people paid $134 Aud for EA just to get chapter 1. war with in is a joke
Campaign is a good filter for shit builds, although they could make it a boss rush for alts with some hidden paths that unlock after you finished once and boss killing quests that level you to an average level for the next boss
LE basically does this, there are paths in the campaign you can take to skip portions of it, but not all of it by going through the dungeons. Which speeds things up a ton especially when you are leveling twinked alts.
I couldnt care less how much effort they put in if they are just gonna continue exclusively catering to the biggest spergers who find a way to break every ability to the point they have to nerf everything into the dirt. PoE is absolutely BLOATED with abilities that are practically unusable because 3-4-5-10 years ago some no lifer in their mothers basement did something broken with it and their solution was to nuke it from orbit into under trash. Everytime Ive ever gotten the itch to play PoE it has been ruined by me finding something cool I wanted to build around only to find out it WAS good ages ago and was nerfed into useless crap that cant even complete base content let alone endgame content.
I don't think the campaign should be removed or somehow be able to skip it. I also don't think tweaking it to make it less "boring" is the answer. The answer is to make it SHORTER. Which is too late for that now anyway. But i think that would be the best compromise. That would basically kill the acts speedruns but it would be for the greater good. Make it so an below avg player finishes the campaign is...2-3 hours as opposed to 10-12 or more.
i havent played much poe but i want to know why people are against skipping the campaign? as i understand you have the campaign and go through a story and after the campaign is finished the actual game with all the insane bosses and shit begins. am i wrong on this? if this is the case i would like an option where you have to go through the campaign ONCE but after that you can choose to skip it.
Its simple: 1- The game has a competitive economy, so if one can skip story that means 100% of players are forced to skip it otherwise they would be behind by 10 hours. 2- Progression is what gives any videogame its value, skipping 70 levels in one click ruins the ARPG cycle and player retention as a result. 3- Most players only do campaign and even then its too hard for them, doing the campaign "once" then be forced to skip it means these players wont learn any mechanics. mobs in endgame hit like a truck if you dont already know everything you wont make it a single second you learn these things by getting hit and dying in campaign.
@@evilpotatoman9436 point 1 could be ignored if you make it so every first character per league has to do campaign but if you want a different character afterwards you can skip there is also no real progression in poe while in the campaign because it only takes 4 hours you also don't learn anything in the campaign in poe 1
@@TheMCmace 99% of players only do 1 character per league so you already agree that campaign should be mandatory. 2- I have 3200 hours in poe it takes me 9 hours to do campaign with ascendancy and 100% res. again you are talking about the 10k+ hour players which again are sub 1%. You dont balance your game for 2000 players you balance it for the other 300k players.
@@evilpotatoman9436 if 99% of players only do 1 character per league then why the fuck do you guys even care for the skip Then just stfu and play your boring ass 1 character
Its preatty simple make the alternative lvling system that is not the campaign slightly slower. I think the first playtrough of the campain every season should stay but it would be great if they make it more linear with lvls not like labyrinths (less backtracking) and no i don`t care if you selfaclaimed pro poe players don`t backtrack once in the campaign go tell your mom about it.
They tested the new mapping system with t17’s. Because there aren’t any scour orbs your maps will be a nightmare to roll. They will make it extremely difficult. I expect t17 style of rolling maps.
@@Dangerous1939 yeh for sure... i can see a fine line between it being okay and it being a complete shit show, whenever it is on launch they will adjust it and make it work for player expectations because its GGG and they're the best gaming company in the world.
Man skip campaign is always such a hot topic. Not sure what a good solution to make either sides happy. I feel as though having a skip might retain more players, but it might attract a community that maybe GGG doesnt want. After all they want to keep the difficult hard.
The only right solution is to not allow skipping campaign lol wtf What makes you think the mentally rarted side should be given anything? The entire point of games is to play them, not to skip the content.
I think i good term would be to allow you to do maps after act 5, that way you dont have to re-do what is pretty much the same campaigns with 5~6 stuffs that isnt reused assets.
Maybe the POE 2 campaign won't have any possible leveling gear so skipping the campaign actually means skipping difficult gameplay. POE 1 campaign becomes a joke once you buy all the leveling gear for a second character though.
having a campaign that you have to do for multiple times if u wanna do different builds but need a diff ascendancy does not equate at all to the difficulty level
I created my poe account in 2015, played 1 hour, made 4 characters realized id have to the campaign every time and never touched it again. This league, i started playing again because there was nothing to play. And i think i like more to create a character do the campaign and leave it at ready at 70 and then make another character to try out other builds. Im at 5 characters at 70. and one at 92. Just this league... Is crazy how hooked you get when doing the campaign and understanding the passive tree and how god like you become every act. So, never add skips please because i know i will make use of them and will not play the game. Im addicted to PoE now.
"path of exile 1 players have a lot of things to relearn" reddit is gonna be having a pants down tantrum
For reddit to relearn something they'd have to first learn it to begin with. They follow guides without understanding core mechanics of the game and then spend their entire time complaining about not getting mirrors from sitting in their hideout.
I'm gonna enjoy the salt threads about the bosses.
Doubt it. PoE 1 will still be there. They might complain but they’ll still be buying MTX in PoE 1 so who cares lol
Underrated comment.
Even if the game is close to perfect, reddit will find something to complain about.
Ah yes the classic Reddit pants down fit, furiously beating their micro shaft while playing the game with captain lance vid on the other monitor. They will get over it eventually.
@@steel5897 you've got a point 😂 me as someone whom played the game until the end game without relying or looking for guides... I dont suffer relearning a new game
Its insane how many in his chat are unironically demanding campaign skip. I really hope GGG never caves in to the whiners.
I think a lot of people just don't understand the meaning of leveling a character, probably the main issue.
@@Xpaniqog idc to do the same campaign for the 400th time every league just give me Diablo 3 style of "adventure mode" to get right into maps
@@debatinghealer And that's exactly what i'm saying, you're playing the wrong game if that is what you expect.
@@debatinghealer trade league andy opinion
@@debatinghealer why? what's the point of skipping part of the game?
skipping campaign is what killed d4 for me.. started at lvl 1 doing nm dungeon and then realized this is it until lvl 100.
in POE1 after you unlock the campaign you should be able to create a lvl 65 character with nothing allocated. you shouldn't even have to go 1-65.. what's the point really? if you're gonna skip the campaign it should start right at end game lvl 65-70.
also all this randomized layout stuff for the campaign is just an annoyance. campaign wouldn't be nearly as bad if after the 50th time you remembered all the turns and even as a "casual" player could try to optimize times. instead they demand no-lifing it. you have to study and memorize 100 layout possibilities per zone.
Indeed, i personaly love that you have to do the campaign. Progressing the character from lvl 1 is what makes it fun. And you can still use lvling items if you wanna speed it up for alt characters. Another ggg W
@@chrishayes5755 It takes less than 5 hours on a geared reroll to make it to maps.
And that is me being VERY generous, come on man.
Simple, just don't let you skip campaign for the first character.
@@chrishayes5755 yee, they also should give you mageblood and 100 divs...
A lot of builds starts bad/ starts with completly different skills setup for early and people wrongfully think their unpleasant experience is caused by campaign. You wouldn't have better experience without campaign. Tbh it would be worse because it would be soo repetetive like OP said.
More than 100 bosses. That's 1000$ worth of dlc in D4
d4 doesn't have a boss... they're just HP pillows.
Which is going to be fun one or 2 times and after that everyone is going to whine that the campaign is too long every new league.
Yes in Diablo they only have targetdummies.
Elden Ring had more than 100 bosses and half of them were reskin of the same thing
@@qlcrane8019they dont have reskins in a campaign, they said that very specifically that there is 100+ different bosses. They are preparing for end game where they will reuse those bosses but with additional skills or mechanics.
Good way to kill the enjoyment and overall "value" of the game is to introduce skips. Glad they've not succumbed.
no i want skips
@@taborevan play d4 and stfu
As long as we have enough randomization, our characters don't feel bad in the beginning and we aren't pigeon holed into the same leveling builds the campaign will be fine.
Both the campaign and maps are just areas with monsters and bosses but in one our characters have the neccessary attack/cast/movement speed and damage to be fun in POE1 standards and in the other it's a clunky mess.
Ironic how many don't want to run "the same campaign" again but run the same map 100 times without a problem.
I don't dislike shortcuts for second characters that are extra content like dungeons in Last Epoch, I think. Granted, Last Epoch needs it badly because their campaign has 0 randomization which made me realize that POE1s campaign isn't all that bad.
It’s ironic that people prefer to run a single map 100 times rather than a campaign once. But it demonstrates the value of the illusion of choice. If someone thinks they’re choosing to do something, they’re far more willing to sacrifice novelty.
If they can introduce the illusion of choice in the campaign, they’ll have really solved the ARPG’s dilemma of making the early game intriguing long term.
I will never forget how the d4 devs spent a majority of their resource on the campaign with all the quests and cinematics and then in season 1 they made the campaign skippable. Literally killed their game because progression was removed. poe devs are so based for understanding this
The D4 campaign should definitely yield a similar amount of xp as spamming helltides/infernal hordes (currently too much xp), but having alternative ways to level is really cool.
no i hate poe campaign
The D4 Skip Campaign should just give you the Key missions/Encounters as optional content and give XP akin to the time spent on other levelling strats.
@@taborevanyou hate it because you’re a slow player that simple campaign is easy and the more you do it in one league the more you learn womp womp
@@KadachiYT no I hate it because I’ve done it a thousand times and it’s extremely boring and tedious the only one slow here is u lol
The Clown is right, you think you want it, but you don't want a campaign skip.
People were saying this about an exchange market for years too. Look how that turned out to be completely wrong.
It's one of the best features to be added to the game in years.
Campaign skip for your second and third characters shouldn't be an issue. Old-heads like Quin are simply wrong about yet another thing and afraid of change.
TLDR Edit for the idiots who can't read. I'm not talking about your first character. Once you have twink leveling gear the campaign is a joke for alt characters anyways. Learn to respect your time. Anyone saying that leveling in twink gear is difficult or engaging is a damn clown and probably can't make it out of act 1 without dying.
my wallet says otherwise
True, morons do everything they can to not play the game ... You know what game you can skip stuff ? Dogshit 4
@@SuperCatacata People are strange.
I am not a competitive player, chasing efficiency above all and such, so i would not be affected by the skip as i would never be compelled to use it.
But i really don't understand the mentality of wanting the game to feel smaller.
Nor the idea of playing a ARPG but not actually wanting to creat and develop a character, which in my eyes is the point of the campaign, while the maps are to take said character to the limit.
Seems hollow, the kind of reasoning that leads people to speed run games and then cry about how little there is to the game.
@@SuperCatacatadefinitely disagree. currency market is just pure quality of life, skipping the campaign completely negates a part of the game. i know that if i could just skip the campaign i would play much less time in a league overall, as i would have less of a sense of progression.
A lot of players don't have the time and energy to research every option and skill, so I think for them it's great to have suggested build options so they can just choose between a few easy options instead of doing a deep dive into the systems. The depth and micromanagement of everything is still there for those who really want to get into it.
The depth and micromanagement of your build is the entire point of poe though. If you don't understand that, you're playing the wrong game.
@@taylon5200 Everyone needs to start somewhere. I think many of those who are "lazy" new casuals will once they get into the game start learning more and eventually also explore the deeper customization options. At least having the suggested options won't put them off from trying the game.
Skipping campaign is for mobile gamers
I have friends who *Absolutely refuse to play standard* but also *hate the campaign and never want to run it again and wish they could skip straight to endgame*. They say things like "anything that happens in standard is a complete waste, its pointless, it means nothing". I'm not saying that I think standard is great, but my god, if they're bitching this much when the solution is right in front of them... I just can't understand why they cause their own stupid suffering like that.
@@blugobln85 standard is a complete meme though. What they're saying is that they want poe that isnt void of meaning while also skipping the campaign.
@@blugobln85 because if you wanna make a new build/character you still have to play the campaign
If you dont play HCSSF witouth any makros any flask and only use 1 portal in a room thats 40°C with your eye sight blurred to 10% vision you`re a mobile gamer
@@schornou7007 based
I'm a new player and I started in 3.24 necropolis. I started SSF and did no build guide, the game is complex and has a steep learning curve but it is rewarding as you progress I made it to the pinnacle bosses but couldn't beat them. This season I went trade same build and beat all the content so if you are willing to put in the time to the game you will be rewarded. Doing it this way has my knowledge of the game higher than some people who just follow a guide and have played for years. If you want to get better at the game you have to play the game and learn to understand all the systems.
Based comment right here. That’s how I started but ended up following guides with the excuse that I didn’t have time to learn the game. Filling guides made me hate the game if I failed and got bored suuuuper fast. Playing HC SSF right now and love it
@@garrettholden7784 yeah I've played d4 and LE and making a build was easy. I hate guides ruins the fun of the game for me. PoE was a different beast though I'm at 1000 hours since launch of necropolis and I just got my build into pinnacle boss beater but it has been the most fun I've had with a game ever and I've been gaming for 30 years and that's including the head bashing moments when I would get stuck
PoE 2 looking so good. I have faith that they will do it right. If you wanna be that unkillable god with second to second screen clears you should work for it, grind your gear and optimize your skill tree. Feeling like the ooba ooba saviour of the world at level 20 just ain't it. Really my only concern is that my old CPU is too shitty for it haha
The campaign is so nice, the leveling and gearing process is amazing for people who don't finish the league in three weeks. At least it's kinda a rush for me, who finishes it in about a day...
A death recap would massively help the new player experience
or even a replay of the death... wonder if that would even be possible
And it's such a simple thing to implement. A lot of online games nowadays have it, too.
Thankfully, this won't be too much of a problem in PoE 2 due to the game being much slower.
@@kiwiinbrazilOf course it is. It is a basic "kill cam" feature that we've had for well over a decade in online games.
It uses server-side data to replay the events tick-by-tick. It's not perfect as it is the server-side POV and will skip anything between ticks, but can give you a good idea of what happened.
GGG already has the data on how you died, they just need to find a user-friendly way of displaying it. That is the only real challenge.
@@sujimayne No, it is not a ''basic feature'', especially in arpgs. A lot more goes into it than ''just code it bro'', like exponential costs for servers.
Plus, I think it’s important that while the attacks per second are going down the decisions per second are going up which makes us that the game is actually a bit more involved.
I would almost say that it makes the game more fast feeling
Campaign hater clowns go play D4! 😅
Campaign lovers stay out of maps, replay the campaign
@@dertyp1769 Truly regarded take
800% Value
I lol’d
For the new player experience, they should do it like Hearthstone. Hearthstone has an embedded tutorial (which you can turn off) that makes deck suggestions without actually choosing the cards for you. So it could have pre-made builds onhand, and you can choose to have it guide your levelup choices or gear choices.
What if when you start your character it gives you some prebuild option to choose. Then when you are playing the game it will highlight items and gems for that build. In the passive tree it would highlight the next node to choose. For the item, when you hover over it a tooltip comes up and explains why its better to wear that then what you are wearing. Once you learn the game you could start to deviate from that or just choose to not follow that. I think that would be cool
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Skipping campaign is boring and not a good way to test new characters. D3 already did that, played it for six months and never looked back. Ive been playing POE for 4 years now, the campaign helped in making that leveling from new char not boring for me.
Just like The First Descendents, having devs that care and are gamer is soooo rare these days.
another 14 years of campaign login
If you spend more time on the campaign than the end game, then you just need to get good.
@@Schmidteren badass dude
@@Schmidteren🤓
I really hope this game is a departure from the speed of endgame that currently exists in PoE.
I get that people enjoy zooming through a map at 5x speed nuking everything and I don't want to take that experience away from them in PoE, but PoE2 should distance itself from that and give meaningful and engaging minute to minute combat and not a currency collection simulator.
Agree. I enjoy being a bit slow in poe1, but it's annoying when that's considered "ultra slow". I do hope the standard speed is greatly reduced in poe2. But still has the ability to be quick.
Agreed
I don't think they should ever do campaign skips, but IMO I do think it would be nice if they made it to where after you get all your passive points from the side quests you don't have to do it again that league and then when you start a new character you have a few extra points to help level new characters faster.
I could see maybe doing kind of like what LE did could work. Not exactly skipping the campaign but having alternate routes that do skip portions of it that go through the dungeons, which is very nice to do with twinked alts and such.
I'd like to see a poe campaign work kinda like how remnant 2 did it to change it up a bit each playthrough, if it's anything like that then perfect imo👌
early access will be an open beta for balancing, and about 6 months later they officially release and add a league
As long as we all get our Tabassy Rassy
Yep. Getting to hear up an alt before the campaign is essentially a minor campaign skip
Maybe you can give your alts max level uncut skill gems right away, this alone will be a huge power boost
Finally, someone has said it about the campaign! I also see it that way (although I don't create 10 alts per league or even play every league)
Happy medium is making players complete the campaign with their first character in every league, and then if they make an alt they can create them without gear but at level 70 with all skill points to spend, but no gear (transfer gear from main/stash)
classic takes from people that don't even play
@@roffo in some way true yet i got 83lvl ;) on this league and pushing a lil bit - and man i am not advocating for leaving the system - i am just a voice of 45yeras old dude who is playing max 10 maps per day max
@@Cucumiso yeah, fair enough - the people sick of campaign are the ones that have done it 100s if not 1000s of times. I couldn't watch my favourite movie nearly that many times
"What would that look like?" It would look like Baldur's Gate 3's internal wiki...which poe2 has. If you can't get through the campaign with that, grab your wallet and pay $100 for each vapid D4 patch.
Doing campaign over and over and over again is as boring as not doing it.
I don't play much PoE1 especially because campaign.
id delve all the way though the campaign if i could skip it
That is not what I want to hear. If the gameplay gets fast as POE 1 at end.. I will spend zero cents on the game. I am ready to throw hundreds of USD on this game, but it needs to keep the pace where we can play our skills in the GAME not in POB
Seeing John at the recent show. They so all suggested supports for a set skill. Its a middle ground. Is this support best? Who knows. But all these supports will work. It lets you experiment and fail but knowing that your choice is the "perfect" one... is yours.
13:40 maybe you could join a sandbox mode, where you would have access to preset builds, and you could try those out, smthg like that
Im not a fan of campaign skips or party boosting but I would much rather have teleport 1 shots + entire screens vanish than spending 10 minutes per map and 30 on the map boss because of some arbitrary "weight"/"vison". I would agree "eventually" you should feel like a god. But id much rather have everything be harder or take longer but be 80-90% deterministic rather than 80-90% rng and if you get lucky you get to feel like a god sooner, where if you dont you are perma stuck in a hamster wheel going nowhere. 🤷♂️
Rng is literally what holds this game together if everything is deterministic end game crafts wont feel good. To feel good you must first feel pain
Nobody is advocating for 30 minute boss encounters. Not a single person. And none of the devs have made any indication that this is the direction they are taking with bossing or maps. You are dooming based on a complete fabrication.
It's crazy how people defend one extreme by claiming others just want another extreme.
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They can do a guide system like in dota 2 .Should be enough for new players
I enjoy doing the campaign, the first time.
I know I would enjoy the game more if I didn't have to do that chore on my 4th reroll. I don't want an instant level 70 character or anything, I just want to blast while leveling the same way I do later on.
I don't doubt for a minute that you enjoy doing the campaign and thinks it's good to do, but and this might be hard for you because you are fucking quin, not everyone thinks the same way as you. People have different preferences, likes and dislikes. It's a really hard concept to grasp for anyone who hasn't matured past the point of a middle school child, but then again I should know better then to expect more from this #gamer community.
I won't feel like a god unless I right-click kill a whole 1.5 screens.
I don't think they'll redo maps, there hasn't been a season where there's a drastic change in maps for them to test any potential ideas/changes. They're taking all the successful ideas from PoE1 and putting it into 2
if i dont send my captain america vibrainium shield out to kill 100 mob packs in 0.2 seconds im not happy
2:06 You're speaking truth.
Campaign skip is tricky. On one hand, you get to the endgame faster. On the other hand, it dimishes the value of the game big time and ppl run out of things to do quick. Campaign is an integral part to a game.
100 areas in 5.5 acts... thats almost 20 areas per act... i like it
When POE 2 comes out, does POE 1 get a massive graphics update to match POE2? I havent seen this addressed anywhere...and how is it going to work for the campaign? Is POE2 a continuation of POE1, or can you choose where you want to start off?
it is a continuation iirc, city you build in the current league already exists in POE2
The first part is unlikely.
Although quality of life features of PoE2 can backport into PoE1.
PoE2 *was* a expansion that got turned into a *standalone game*, it takes place 20 years after the end of the campaign in PoE1.
Just treat it as a new game/new character. The only thing that'll *transfer over* is the MTX you buy, as long as it exists in PoE2 too.
(Same applies backporting, you won't have a bear or werewolf skin since that's a druid class from poe2 thing)
Edit: What the person told on top of my comment is true, this current league in PoE1 is basically a meta league, that's moving the world story forward. In this league we are basically helping the foundations of Kingsmarch, which is a port city in Act 3 of PoE2, the city was first shown in Exilecon.
No. It wouldn't support PoE1 gameplay. The game is too chaotic to run on modern systems at a stable framerate. Even the current graphical fidelity can struggle on high end hardware if you juice maps.
@@d4n617 Thank you!
Of course not, many players couldn't play the game then.
Its just gamers are so critical lately that no game is launched officially, they all use "beta" or " early access" so they can always say its not completely ready and polished if something goes wrong. This is just a launch Quin is right.
I just hope there arent too many invulnerability phases on bosses..
I love quin , I got banned from alkaizer ban for loving quin , but god damn my man's roasting twitch streamers while he died to al hezmin with a CI build 😂😂😂
Wait, did he say you can use skills as you move?
Old news
@@2spliffs41lifetime your mom's old news
@@uhskippy23 badass dude
Bruh, we need a freaking sort stash button. Organizing the quad tab is cancer.
"PoE2, youre gonna get 1 chaos per day, your character is gonna get cheesed by some bs mechanic in a boss fight, you're gonna die and have to slowly kill 3 enemies per map on your fifth run and your gonna be sad"
-Ben
True about the campaign
i thought i wanted monk but i am more confused than ever, still don't know what i m going to play.
GGG will have the Top 2 ARPGs when early access comes, crazy to think 🥳
DSP arc very very soon PepeLa
I see a problem arising... PoE players are expecting a better looking, less complicated, higher quality of life PoE. It is all of those things, but the things they're not expecting are going to be so massively different that I don't see PoE vets liking PoE 2 very much. Just my honest opinion, I think PoE 2 will bring back everyone who quit 1, or wanted to try it but didn't. And the vets will play it for a month and then return to 1 where they'll stay.
no quin i will always wanna skip a stupid campaign could care less about them in any game ever hate them with a passion
Story mode is the best part, D2 is King, D4 is backwards you skip everything and its just silly, you are Godly Day 1 in D4 which is sad, everyone is legendary, I Hope POE 2 you have to earn the title of God, and be good not just everyone get it just by logging in
dunno if i ll ever go back to poe 1.
Nah...
skipping campaign is like skipping eating breakfast, taking a bath or waking up from sleep,
I played so many ARPG for my life and dude skipping campaign is not fun, it will make you stop caring about the game it will become only a memory
thats bullshit
the reason why it never worked in other arpgs is because all the other arpgs don't have endgame at all
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I'd like campaign repeats if there were 100x more map generation ect.. ya know that thing Diablo (one) was built on that's been long forgotten. Static maps in all arpgs now sad af.
poe1 leagues wont get smaller - they actualy DeVeLoPing poe2 at the moment, and we get biggest leagues ever
once poe2 is out, they could be even bigger
Straight up fax
His twitch chat is so brain rot
“Clicking three buttons” dude some builds in poe 1 don’t even click to use skills cause it’s all auto cast. So one button to just dash around.. and maybe you click to pick up currency. So two buttons in poe 1 lol
But you have to make it intentionally, there is depth behind it unlike im D4.
People that want campaign skip can just stay the fuck in Diablo 4 crap
Or poe 1, ya fs...
@@samgreen8582 One of the things fixed with POE2, zooming trash ruined a lot of POE1 it started off a lot slower.
Dumbest thing in ARPG's catering to that type of low gamer
People that want to do campaign thousands times stay out of maps please
Players shouldn't be force to do anything.
14:50 "...are you killing 30 monsters in dark souls..." no, but im not playing dark souls nor i want to play dark souls "do you need to obliterate screens every 3 seconds, no you don´t " you don´t get it man... Is not about deleting whole screens every 3 seconds. 99% of the population never reach that level, the real apeal about poe is if you have enough experience, game knowledge, currency, spend hours theorycrafting testing and playing the game, you could potentially reach the point were you could obliterate screens every 1 second. Every other game were this is not possible, people eventually just quit because they feel they achieved the peak of their potential. In PoE this potential is so high and hard to achieve that works as a carrot at the end of the stick that keeps players coming back after 10 years of still playing. You wan´t poe 2 to be a slow paced game with no degeneracy? I bet you it will die not soon after if they do that...
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I'm calling, I'm gonna hate POE2..
I think campaign is fine the first time in a league but doing a second character leveling even with twink gear is just annoying
It’s really not
You can complete a campaign run in 5 hours bud
WITH TWINK GEAR
@@KadachiYT Yes I did hollow palm twink leveling this league. It was a waste of time and i wish the game just let me respec character class
@@AbdulRehman-hm5domost games don't let you respec class lol, you can respec ascendancies tho, so it's never really an issue
I dunno. If the gameplay is as slow as it looks, I might give it a playthrough once, and then go back to zooming in PoE 1. I respect methodical gameplay in a single playthrough, but I'm not gonna do that same thing every season. That's where their strategy comes into question. Is Dark Souls good? Is Elden Ring good. Yep. Once, maybe twice. But not 4 times a year.
Well we haven't really seen much gameplay outside of the first two acts. Even in poe1, exluding alts, you are not really zooming by act2.
Yoooo first1 ZED DPS
If it's twitch chat Vs quin I would put my money on the twitch chat.
the fck main story of this new big exp stops at chaper 2 and chap 2 only went for 45mins and then time gated it lol dead set 5 mins of cutscenes 15 mins killing shit the rest of the time flying around and now its locked till they decide to release more lol and people paid $134 Aud for EA just to get chapter 1. war with in is a joke
Campaign is a good filter for shit builds, although they could make it a boss rush for alts with some hidden paths that unlock after you finished once and boss killing quests that level you to an average level for the next boss
Like Bloody Palace from Devil May Cry?
LE basically does this, there are paths in the campaign you can take to skip portions of it, but not all of it by going through the dungeons. Which speeds things up a ton especially when you are leveling twinked alts.
YOU THINK YOU DO BUT YOU DONT????
I have played the campaign and I’m already bored of it.
dont play the game as simple as that
@@baki_sigmaif you think the campaign is the reason to play poe you'll be happy with d4
Is it just me or does Jonathan look like filthy frank? Just a bit or am I going insane?
i hope they dont give us patchnotes
I couldnt care less how much effort they put in if they are just gonna continue exclusively catering to the biggest spergers who find a way to break every ability to the point they have to nerf everything into the dirt.
PoE is absolutely BLOATED with abilities that are practically unusable because 3-4-5-10 years ago some no lifer in their mothers basement did something broken with it and their solution was to nuke it from orbit into under trash. Everytime Ive ever gotten the itch to play PoE it has been ruined by me finding something cool I wanted to build around only to find out it WAS good ages ago and was nerfed into useless crap that cant even complete base content let alone endgame content.
Go skip the campaign in lost ark we exiles don’t do that shit around here
badass dude
I don't think the campaign should be removed or somehow be able to skip it.
I also don't think tweaking it to make it less "boring" is the answer.
The answer is to make it SHORTER. Which is too late for that now anyway. But i think that would be the best compromise.
That would basically kill the acts speedruns but it would be for the greater good. Make it so an below avg player finishes the campaign is...2-3 hours as opposed to 10-12 or more.
of all of quin's dogshit takes, nothing pisses me off more than when he unironically says "you think you do but you don't"
why make a new game when you can literally just update the first one? oh right, the hype trick for the dumb sheep. splitgate tried it; didnt work.
Seeing kakao games triggers me so hard - lost 15k hours progression to this shit company. sadge
Tabasi Russy
i havent played much poe but i want to know why people are against skipping the campaign?
as i understand you have the campaign and go through a story and after the campaign is finished the actual game with all the insane bosses and shit begins. am i wrong on this?
if this is the case i would like an option where you have to go through the campaign ONCE but after that you can choose to skip it.
Its simple:
1- The game has a competitive economy, so if one can skip story that means 100% of players are forced to skip it otherwise they would be behind by 10 hours.
2- Progression is what gives any videogame its value, skipping 70 levels in one click ruins the ARPG cycle and player retention as a result.
3- Most players only do campaign and even then its too hard for them, doing the campaign "once" then be forced to skip it means these players wont learn any mechanics.
mobs in endgame hit like a truck if you dont already know everything you wont make it a single second you learn these things by getting hit and dying in campaign.
@@evilpotatoman9436 point 1 could be ignored if you make it so every first character per league has to do campaign but if you want a different character afterwards you can skip
there is also no real progression in poe while in the campaign because it only takes 4 hours
you also don't learn anything in the campaign in poe 1
@@TheMCmace 99% of players only do 1 character per league so you already agree that campaign should be mandatory.
2- I have 3200 hours in poe it takes me 9 hours to do campaign with ascendancy and 100% res. again you are talking about the 10k+ hour players which again are sub 1%.
You dont balance your game for 2000 players you balance it for the other 300k players.
@@evilpotatoman9436 if 99% of players only do 1 character per league then why the fuck do you guys even care for the skip
Then just stfu and play your boring ass 1 character
@@evilpotatoman9436 i have 1.8k hours and i‘m done with the campaign and labs in 5 hours, sry for you
ill be playing poe1 until poe2 fully releases. i love ggg. but im done being a test-rat. pay me if you want me to be a tester....
Its preatty simple make the alternative lvling system that is not the campaign slightly slower. I think the first playtrough of the campain every season should stay but it would be great if they make it more linear with lvls not like labyrinths (less backtracking) and no i don`t care if you selfaclaimed pro poe players don`t backtrack once in the campaign go tell your mom about it.
As long there is no LAB i am fine with everything!
Just for that comment, they will now implement campaign skip but it's instead doing 10 labs back to back to jump to lvl 65.
I think they mentioned lab but not in the same way as poe1, at least it won't be gating ascendancies
I think the problem with the campaign is the lack of choice. Literally just toggle that shit. Then both camps get what they want.
They tested the new mapping system with t17’s. Because there aren’t any scour orbs your maps will be a nightmare to roll. They will make it extremely difficult. I expect t17 style of rolling maps.
Which will be fine if you have enough maps dropping right. You treat them like items, the bad ones you just throw away
@@Dangerous1939 yeh for sure... i can see a fine line between it being okay and it being a complete shit show, whenever it is on launch they will adjust it and make it work for player expectations because its GGG and they're the best gaming company in the world.
The new Dark Souls like gameplay won't allow zoom zoom gameplay anymore, so say good bye to Flicker Strike and all the other fun builds!
Man skip campaign is always such a hot topic. Not sure what a good solution to make either sides happy. I feel as though having a skip might retain more players, but it might attract a community that maybe GGG doesnt want. After all they want to keep the difficult hard.
The only right solution is to not allow skipping campaign lol wtf
What makes you think the mentally rarted side should be given anything? The entire point of games is to play them, not to skip the content.
I think i good term would be to allow you to do maps after act 5, that way you dont have to re-do what is pretty much the same campaigns with 5~6 stuffs that isnt reused assets.
Maybe the POE 2 campaign won't have any possible leveling gear so skipping the campaign actually means skipping difficult gameplay.
POE 1 campaign becomes a joke once you buy all the leveling gear for a second character though.
having a campaign that you have to do for multiple times if u wanna do different builds but need a diff ascendancy does not equate at all to the difficulty level
@@debatinghealer you make a game and show the world
I created my poe account in 2015, played 1 hour, made 4 characters realized id have to the campaign every time and never touched it again. This league, i started playing again because there was nothing to play. And i think i like more to create a character do the campaign and leave it at ready at 70 and then make another character to try out other builds. Im at 5 characters at 70. and one at 92. Just this league... Is crazy how hooked you get when doing the campaign and understanding the passive tree and how god like you become every act. So, never add skips please because i know i will make use of them and will not play the game. Im addicted to PoE now.
I do similar but aim to get to 80 with every character. By then you have pretty much all your skills setup and you can test the build a bit in maps