The calendar has been the biggest "grey" area in this walk. Knowing what Torah says is vital to the whole walk. But you are correct, Rabbi, it is hard because we just don't know. I believe, at this point, we do the best we can and wait for Yeshua to come back and set us all straight. We are so far removed from what things were, we just can't see it. Perhaps part of it is that we are trying hard to do it right, but don't know what is right.
Thank you for your teaching. We have also changed to follow the Hillel II calendar due to the fact that Judah still holds the sceptre. Your teachings have blessed our group greatly in particular the calendar decision. Praise YHVH for your ministry.
Great job! I love the practical approach and the heart posture aspect that is coming out. We are stumbling thriugh all this and looking to be found faithful and not attack or inhibit others. You make a great distinction about people who study and research. That is such a great key to grasp. People who are studying and searching are being faithful as they are led. Until Yah corrects them or changes their understanding that is Yah's business.... not mine
This issue has caused so much division in the Body. The adversary must be happy. I know several brethren who have taken sides on the calendar. They have diligently researched this issue and come to a conclusion. They want to convince others of their finding. Some feel like if you do not see this issue the way they do, you are lost and just plain dumb. Help us Father!
I think I'll go by the moon, since it can be seen on all the earth. What they do and say in Israel, ( without the internet), would not be known. I can tell when the barley is aviv in Israel, because my lilacs are almost toast.
With due respect really the issue of the CALENDAR is extremely important as it's JAH's program about time and life style of the people thus ONE indeeds to understand the TRUTH not what I know or believe coz u can believe and understand WRONG things Guess your part as anyone else is to know the Truth for it shall set us free JAH GUIDE us Shalom
I'm starting my second year of bubble popness. My aim is to never study calendars and just follow MTOI's calendar. What's the point if you would end up celebrating your feastds by yourself and not with Abba's children
Hillel II with all its postponements, counting 49 days, not 50 to the firstfruits of the wheat harvest, and Maimonides final calendar rules in the 1200s? Oh, and a 15th Abib passover? Doesn't God's Word say that Judah has caused His people to err, and that He hates our feasts? Even Day 4 in Genesis 1 was new moon day, and Passover landed that year on the 14th day of the moon, the third day of the week, which the Jew, had he been there, would have postponed? Wasn't it the Levites, not the Jews, that were to be in charge of the Temple calendar, and the Jews the copyists only of the oracles of God? Isn't the only time in a month the moon "divides light from darkness" at the moment of conjunction? ...Jerusalem time 2hrs 21min east of UT? Why did Hillel II average new moons when this year in 2023, the new moon of March was March 22nd, whereas Hillel II's calculation makes it impossible to even keep a new moon as per Ezekiel 46:1? The east gate of the Temple will be shut on the day after new moon day, one of the six working days. I don't see that Christ ever acted carnally because people didn't believe His teachings that were contrary to the Pharisees, who He said sat in Moses' seat, that they "say and DO NOT". We cannot change God's statutes to suit ourselves or the authority that God rejected when Christ became our High Priest. Prove all things, and hold fast to that which is GOOD, and don't get mad at anyone about their belief contrary to Scriptures that cannot be broken. If Hillel II is correct, then WHY so much division in the Body still, and not even called "The Church of God", but "messianic" now? What you say has to make sense. Deut.13 is a warning to not follow those that teach to follow another god than the True God and His commandments, statutes and judgments, and calendar issues are NOT GRAY AREAS, but statutes, for which Christ shed His Blood to make peace with God: Col.1:20. Christ did not break the Law of the Peace Offering to do that, but He was waved to be accepted in Heaven as our High Priest, the first of the Firstfruits, within the time frame of the Peace Offering Law: Lev.7:11-21. He spent 3 days and 3 nights paying for our sins, not being in a tomb 3 nights and 3 days (backwards to Matt.12:40). If Christ were in the tomb 3days and 3 nights, He would not have been accepted to make peace because He would have broken the Law of the Peace Offering and would have been an "abomination" as it says in Lev.7 and 19. Crucified on the preparation day, and there is no preparation day for a mid-week high day, only for a high day landing on shabbat. Something wrong here. WCG was in error on many key issues. I was baptized 50 years ago at age 22, into Christ by a WCG minister. They never read the Law in any solemn seventh year, and neither do they know which year that was/IS. Luke 3 and 4 is a huge clue. Finally, I lived 2 years in Izmir, Polycarp's Smyrna, and he and Polycrates took no issue with the bishops of Rome over what day of the week Christ was crucified, or arose from the dead, only that we are to keep Passover on the 14th day of the moon, but Hillel II in 2023 has his passover landing on the 15th day of the moon. Something is radically wrong in your arguments pro-Hillel II, I think. We ought to obey God rather than men. John 10 is a testimony to that effect, truly. The use of Deut.17 as an argument to follow the minister's teachings, is weak seeing Deut.13 is very concise that if that minister teaches contrary to the LAW he has a death penalty on his head for teaching contrary to the Laws of God. There are no gray areas in God's Law. God is not a derelict. God IS the Lawgiver! Many are called, few are chosen. Prove all things, and hold fast to that which is Good. Postponements aren't Good. Only the Jews said to postpone God's Statutes. And then there are the issues of divorce and remarriage, the international date line, and other issues of the apostasy over the centuries. Tabernacles is at the END of the year, not the beginning of another "year"; it is at the end of the circuit of the sun, and the earth obey's God's ordinance automatically, even in the diaspora. Genesis 1 is the foundation of all Doctrine. God's calendar is right there before man was created, in verses 14-19. Jeremiah's 31st and 33rd chapters tell us nothing has changed in the heavenly ordinances since Genesis one. And I don't get angry if someone doesn't believe God. I don't have to have MY own way; other ideas have to make sense, though. Your argumentation is a bit unscriptural I feel. I couldn't go back to postponements; they cannot be proven in the Gospels without using circular reasonings. BTW: the Biblical name for the 7th month is "Ethanim", the month of permanent waters, when Christ will be King of Kings and the Holy Spirit poured out like water on all flesh. It is not a civil year's beginning. But in Ethanim, the Azazel goat will be taken away for a thousand years...that will be a time of refreshing.
Judah makes us go astray?!? Not according to Hoshea 11:12. You better take a closer look at the illustration of the prodigal son, not to mention what the letter 'Dalet' reveals within YHWDH for 'Yahudah/Yehudah or "Judah'...why did YHWH put the letter 'Dalet' within the Tribe of Judah? And what about Zechariah 8:23? Judah isn't the one coming to the Gentiles to learn Torah.... I've read very carefully the points you put here to MTOI (of which I"m not a member), and there's several crucial things that people who want to have these Calendar debates fail to understand: No one, at this moment in time, is keeping the Calendar 100% Correctly. Even those who are observing the Moedim at the proper time are still doing it wrong, and they are breaking Torah on many levels, and for the following reason(s) 1. There are very specific offerings we are required to bring during the Holy Days....offerings which we can't do at this time. Even with the confirmation of Aviv Barley being important; we can't bring the required first-fruit offering to the Temple--and that, in itself, is a blatant violation of the Torah. 2. Even if we could bring the offerings, the offerings wouldn't be accepted unless that person was purified with the Ashes of the Red Heifer. If you've ever been in a hospital, or touched a dead corpse, we are ceremonially unclean. And so, if I were to attempt to bring an Omer offering to the Temple, without being purified with the Ashes of the Red Heifer on the 3rd and 7th of Aviv, my offerings would not be accepted. Being purified with the Ashes of the Red Heifer has to take place even before bringing the Pesach Lamb into the house on the 10th day of the month. 3. Those who have taken it upon themselves to determine the timing of the Moedim are blatantly breaking Torah--for the Torah shows they were never MEANT to do so. (Deut 17:8-13) The biggest 'excuse' those who want to debate on the Calendar give for not observing the Moedim when they are declared from Jerusalem is, quote, 'the Jews are doing it all wrong'....just as you've done in your comment. They will use scriptures, such as Mark 7:13 to support such statements. What they fail to understand is the following: Leviticus 4:3-12 shows clearly the prescribed offerings the Kohenim would offer for themselves, due to bringing guilt upon the people....would YAH have given this provision if he expected his people to always do things perfectly?!? Just because they're not doing things perfectly, does that give me an excuse to break Deut 17:8-13 and bring judgement upon myself?!? And so, if the Jews are doing it wrong--the fault will NOT be on any of us in the diaspora/who do not bear the responsibility of determining the Moedim....we have NOT been entrusted with responsibility of decreeing the appointed times. (Bamidbar 18:1-7, Deut 34:8-10). Although you may have 'good intentions' in trying to decree appointed times, those who do so are blatantly sinning. What they're doing is no different that Uzziah (2 Chron 26:18-21) and they will have to be ready to accept judgement from YAH--and it IS coming--for taking upon themselves to try to do a work that the Torah shows was never entrusted to them in the first place. Acting in a sincere belief doesn't make it right....Uzziah was sincere in his pursuit to offer incense. Even as the king, that was NOT for him to do so. If a King from Judah/of the line of David was not able to escape judgement for trying to perform a work he was NOT given to do....then what makes any of us think we will not meet any less of a fate?!? At 1 Samuel 13:5-14--we read of the account where Saul offers a Sacrifice because Samuel had not arrived to offer the sacrifice 'at the proper time' (see v11) Although Saul had good intentions/was sincere, Was that valid enough reason for Shaul to take matters into his own hands and perform the sacrifice, to ensure it was being done at the right time?!? That was NOT Shaul's responsibility. If he obeyed the Torah, he would have been found guiltless for the sacrifice not being offered at the right time....that would have been on Shemuel's Shoulders: Per 1 Samuel 15:22-24. Saul brought JUDGEMENT upon himself....and so will those who are doing precisely the same thing, who are motivated to keep the Moedim 'at the appointed time' because that's what motivated Shaul. Shaul was sincere, but that did NOT justify what he did. In like manner, no matter how sincere we may be, will YAH accept what we do if were are transgressing his Torah? (Is 8:20) The ONLY thing we can do at this time is to honor the 'spirit' of YAH's holy days--it's IMPOSSIBLE to keep them to the letter of the Torah at this time. This is one of the many reasons why Paul says at 2 Cor 3:6: The letter kills, but the spirit gives life. Even if you are keeping it at the right time, you're still breaking Torah. This is one of the many reasons why YAH tells us in Ezekiel 37:23 that he will save us from the places 'where they have been sinning'.....so YAH knew we would ALL be sinning; and that includes those who profess to be restoring 'the True Calendar'. The debates, character assassination, Lashon Hara that occurs so frequently is pointless/futile, and it's one of the many reasons why I have decided to stay completely away from it and keep them when they are decreed by the Jew, from Jerusalem. YAH has never entrusted me--or anyone else here--with the task of determining appointed times. Sadly, Deut 17:8-13 carries absolutely weight with very few people, and the result of blatantly disregarding it does nothing but cause strife and disunity. Not only are they causing unnecessary strife/division, but they are--unknowingly--rejecting Yeshua himself. Why can this be said? See John 5:45-47: If we disregard what Moshe, under the direction of the Ruach Ha'Qodesh, wrote and PLAINLY stated who would be entrusted with Torah, proclaiming Moedim--then who are we disregarding? Did Yeshua ever contradict Moshe? So, if a teaching contradicts Moshe, is it from YHWH? How are those who take upon themselves to try to decree Moedim and, by the essence of their teachings, contradict Moshe--any different than the Churches who portray Yeshua as someone who walks contrary to Moshe? You may say, 'I don't do that'.....but by your actions you are via promoting a spirit/teaching that contradicts Moshe by saying Deut 17:8-13 doesn't apply to us today--and by Yeshua's own words in this vere, you're bringing judgement upon yourself. No matter how sincere we may be--if we blantantly refusing to recognize and humble ourselves under the hand of those whom Moshe said would be entrusted with teaching Torah, then we are rebelling against Yeshua. Those who try to justifying not doing so are making Moshe, and Yehshua, out to be liars. The attitude of 'I don't want to bow down to those Jews'.....which of Moshe's words do you feel free to disregard? Because, by disregarding his words, you ARE disregarding Yeshua, whether you realize it or not....period At Acts 15:19-21--we see the Apostles commanded Gentiles to go the Synagogue on Shabbat and learn Torah from the Jews......would the Apostles commanded the Gentiles go to Synagogue if the Judah had it all wrong? Were the Apostles teaching contrary to Moshe? So, in relation to this point we are discussing, if it's contrary to Moshe, then it's wrong.....period. The truth of the matter is this: Everyone single one of those who are attacking each other over the Calenadar are all missing the mark, and they fail to understand the words of Yeshua at Mathew 9:13, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' Those who are involved in these Calendar debates are, ultimately, falling into the hands of Ha'Satan....and they don't even know it (thus is the essence of deception--who wants to accept the fact they are deceived?!?) You can keep all the Sabbath/Feasts you want to.....without the weighter matters of the Torah, we will ALL miss the mark. Shalom.
The Number one thing is to follow "The Commands of YAH". In Exo 12:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying, Exo 12:2 This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you. We have been told exactly when The Year begins, it ends The New Moon before The New Moon of Abiv(The Barley in the Green) YAH is not The Author of Confusion, and there is No mention of a second calendar system for HIS people to follow... Read Very Carefully Here... "...Lev 25:8 And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years. Lev 25:9 Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land. Lev 25:10 And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family. Lev 25:11 A jubile shall that fiftieth year be unto you: ye shall not sow, neither reap that which groweth of itself in it, nor gather the grapes in it of thy vine undressed. Lev 25:12 For it is the jubile; it shall be holy unto you: ye shall eat the increase thereof out of the field. Lev 25:13 In the year of this jubile ye shall return every man unto his possession..." Take careful notice that The Blowing of The Shofar is in The "49th" YEAR and that "Jubile" is in The 50th year, The reason for this is... Everyone that is of The house of Israel, that is to be released is to be fully furnished to continue thier life without Need... "Deu 15:11 For the poor shall never cease out of the land: therefore I command thee, saying, Thou shalt open thine hand wide unto thy brother, to thy poor, and to thy needy, in thy land. Deu 15:12 And if thy brother, an Hebrew man, or an Hebrew woman, be sold unto thee, and serve thee six years; then in the seventh year thou shalt let him go free from thee. Deu 15:13 And when thou sendest him out free from thee, thou shalt not let him go away empty: Deu 15:14 Thou shalt furnish him liberally out of thy flock, and out of thy floor, and out of thy winepress: of that wherewith the LORD thy God hath blessed thee thou shalt give unto him. Deu 15:15 And thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in the land of Egypt, and the LORD thy God redeemed thee: therefore I command thee this thing to day..." There needs to be time to gather all that each would be in need of... The Shofar blowing in The Seventh New Moon of The 49th year alerts ALL parties involved to make ready for Release AT the beginning of the year, With no excuses that I did not have enough time to make ready for ALL involved, And that ALL would be Released "ON TIME"... As YAH is not Slack in HIS Promise that ALL would be Released IN The 50th YEAR. Note that ALL will be released to be back where they belong by the Start of The 50th year, And have ALL that they will require to be able to Enjoy The Jubile Year the same as ALL the others of House of Israel... YAH has Commanded that WE not follow The Multitude to do evil, HE set The New Moon of The Barley in The Green as HEAD of The Year, It did not change to the seventh New Moon. To then jump to the Seventh New Moon and call it The Head of the year is to Break the Command of YAH in Exo 12:2 This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you. YAH does not contradict HIS SELF... Please read Carefully that passage again... The Shofar is being blown in the 49th year To mark The UP coming 50th year The Jubile Year...
Then there is the Problem of The Levitical Priest telling you to do something NOT in The Commands of YAH... "...Deu 17:8 If there arise a matter too hard for thee in judgment, between blood and blood, between plea and plea, and between stroke and stroke, being matters of controversy within thy gates: then shalt thou arise, and get thee up into the place which the LORD thy God shall choose; Deu 17:9 And thou shalt come unto the priests the Levites, and unto the judge that shall be in those days, and enquire; and they shall shew thee the sentence of judgment: Deu 17:10 And thou shalt do according to the sentence, which they of that place which the LORD shall choose shall shew thee; and thou shalt observe to do according to all that they inform thee: Deu 17:11 According to the sentence of the law which they shall teach thee, and according to the judgment which they shall tell thee, thou shalt do: thou shalt not decline from the sentence which they shall shew thee, to the right hand, nor to the left. Deu 17:12 And the man that will do presumptuously, and will not hearken unto the priest that standeth to minister there before the LORD thy God, or unto the judge, even that man shall die: and thou shalt put away the evil from Israel. Deu 17:13 And all the people shall hear, and fear, and do no more presumptuously.
They are not to Instruct you to do ANY thing outside the Commands of YAH, And calendar building is outside The Commands of YAH...(read verse 11 again) There is NO where in Torah, where Anyone is told to build a calendar... There is NO unity in Breaking The Commands of YAH... Which HE says is EVIL... And is The Way of Heathens...
@j1mbobtech There's a few things you're not getting: 1. Who gets to decide when the Barley is in the stage of Aviv? There are many 'barley search teams' out there--all claiming to be doing it 'right', and yet, their proclamation of Aviv is causing people to keep the Moedim 2-3 months apart from each other. Amongst Barley Search Teams--they can't even agree on what constitutes Barley. You talk about no unity when breaking YAH's commandments, and yet, the Barley Search Teams themselves have no unity. 2. You do realize, per Deut 26:12-15, an extra month must be added once every 3 years to the annual tithes that were to be brought to help care for Orphans and Widows. What Ya'aqov (James) said in his letter at James 1:27 wasn't just something that's 'random'...when he said to look after Orphans and widows, all knew he was clearly talking about the tithe of the 3rd and 6th year....this is a separate tithe than tithe that is required every year in Deut 14:22-26. This annual tithe also plays a part in decreeing the appointed times. 3. The Head of the Year that is decreed in the 7th Month is for the CIVIL Calendar...this is used for proclaiming Shemitahs, Jubilees, and years of tithing...Aviv is used for the proclaiming the Moedim--such as Passover, Shavuot, etc.. In Scripture, there are 2 basic Calendars at work. Years of tithing are proclaimed in the 7th Month, and it had to be, so that when the Barley Harvest came around in Aviv, Farmers would know they had to set their tithes aside...they couldn't just do that at a 'last moment's notice'. In years of Tithings, when an extra month was needed to accomdate for the commanded tithe, every man was commanded to bring their tithes (for the 3rd and 6th year) to the Temple and recite what is written in v13-15 on the 13th of Aviv--1 day before Passover. It's IMPOSSIBLE to fulfil the required tithe for Orphans/widow of the 3rd/6th year without having an additional month to accomdate for it. 4. At Deut 31:9-13, when Moses gives the command to the Levites to read the Book of Deuteronomy at Sukkot "at the end of every seven years', Moses is clearly referring to the Civil Calendar that was proclaimed in the 7th month) and NOT the 1st month for establishing the annual Moedim. How do we know this? v10 "Moses gave them these orders: "At THE END OF EVERY SEVEN YEARS, DURING THE FESTIVAL OF SUKKOT, IN THE YEAR OF THE SHEMITAH....' Sukkot is observed in the 7th month....why would he call it 'then end' of the 7th year? Because he was referring to the Civil Calendar to is used to prolaim 'Shemitahs', and this is done in the 7th month, not the first month--the end of the year for Moedim is the 12th Month of Adar....why is Moses calling Sukkot/the 7th month, 'the end of the year'? Because the year he was referrring to was Civil years, and thoses are decreed in the 7th month. 5. Your application of Deut 17:8-13 is way off in left field. Deut 17:8-13 has nothing to do with doing something the Levites may have commanded us that YAH never commanded us obey.....it was speaking about contentious issues (like the Calendar) that would arise and, when this happened, you were to go to the Judges in those days at the city gates who would then render a decision. After that decision/judgement was given, if anyone stubbornly refused to obey, the penalty was to be cut off from the Congregation of Israel. Abba shows the Levitical priesthood could make an error in judgement--as shown Leviticus 4:3-12, which shows clearly the prescribed offerings the Kohenim would offer for themselves, due to bringing guilt upon the people....would YAH have given this provision if he expected his people to always do things perfectly?!? Just because they're not doing things perfectly, does that give me an excuse to break Deut 17:8-13 and bring judgement upon myself?!? While there's no question to the fact that the Aviv Barley/Rosh Chodesh plays a part in the proclamation of the Moedim...it's only one part. Who ever you're learning Torah from isn't teaching you the WHOLE PICTURE, like years of tithing, etc.. If this were the case, you wouldn't be saying the 7th Month has no validity--because Moses clearly was referring to the 7th month. From the comments you left to MTOI, it's obvious that who ever you're learning Torah from hasn't been properly taught or trained. Shalom.
@@Baboon4215 You Now accuse YAH of having confusion in the Calendar system... There are NOT two calendar systems, nor ANY charge (Command) for Anyone to refer at different times a different Calendar... You sir are the one with a poor Teacher... Your Whole explanation is dependent on there being TWO calendars... YAH never gave a command for ANYONE to make a Calendar, HE Said YOU count... Calendars are a man made "Device" they are not even in The Bible...
@@j1mbobtech So, there aren't 2 Calendars within the Biblical Calendar?!? Hmm..... Lev 25:8-13: Counting the 'year of Yovel'....was that done in the first month of Aviv? It was done in the 7th month, not the first month. The head of the CIVIL year for proclaiming years of tithing, Jubilees, and Shemitahs and done on the 7th month...the head of the CIVIL year. Aviv is for establishing the head of the RELIGIOUS year--both working together--just like your right/left hands work together. We also have clear proof Moshe was referring to the Civil Calendar in Deut 31:10-13, when he commanded the entire book of Deuteronomy to be read at Sukkot. He clearly says in v10, 'At the END of every seven years, during the festival of Sukkot in the year of the Shemitah,".... The end of the religious year is in the 12th Month. Why did Moshe specifically command to reading of Deut. to be done at Sukkot 'at the end of every seven years"? Because he was referring to CIVIL years--the years when tithing, Jubilees, and Shemitahs are proclaimed--just as he said within the same verse, 'in the year of the Shemitah'....would you call Moshe's command to read Deuteronomy--at Sukkot--'at the end of the year' to be a 'man-made-device? Regarding the counting, who is the 'you' that does the counting? Is it for just anyone to do that counting? Who's the 'you'? The entire book of Leviticus is given to the KOHENIM, who were entrusted to lead all Israel in proclaiming the timing of the moedim....the 'you' isn't directed to just directed to any individual to read and interpret on their own....the 'you'...is the Kohenim. It's quite clear you're not reading the assigned Torah/Haftarah Readings/B'rit HaDashah readings that are assigned from Israel.... It's quite clear what the real problem is--a that you're erroneously trying to project at me in Abba's name--and it's a thing that is known as anti-semitism. It's truly amazing to see what happens anyone joins themselves to the Jews. If was joining myself to anyone else other than the Jews, it would be fine. Good day.
I love listening to rabbi steve
This should be posted to as many as can hear., it is valuable if we want unity, whilst we are in captivity.
The calendar has been the biggest "grey" area in this walk. Knowing what Torah says is vital to the whole walk. But you are correct, Rabbi, it is hard because we just don't know. I believe, at this point, we do the best we can and wait for Yeshua to come back and set us all straight. We are so far removed from what things were, we just can't see it. Perhaps part of it is that we are trying hard to do it right, but don't know what is right.
Great teaching makes so much sense. Thank you, Halleluyah!
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Thank you for your teaching. We have also changed to follow the Hillel II calendar due to the fact that Judah still holds the sceptre. Your teachings have blessed our group greatly in particular the calendar decision. Praise YHVH for your ministry.
Great job! I love the practical approach and the heart posture aspect that is coming out. We are stumbling thriugh all this and looking to be found faithful and not attack or inhibit others. You make a great distinction about people who study and research. That is such a great key to grasp. People who are studying and searching are being faithful as they are led. Until Yah corrects them or changes their understanding that is Yah's business.... not mine
This issue has caused so much division in the Body. The adversary must be happy. I know several brethren who have taken sides on the calendar. They have diligently researched this issue and come to a conclusion. They want to convince others of their finding. Some feel like if you do not see this issue the way they do, you are lost and just plain dumb. Help us Father!
Anyone in Canada? We are in the Winnipeg wanting to celebrate the modem
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I think I'll go by the moon, since it can be seen on all the earth. What they do and say in Israel, ( without the internet), would not be known. I can tell when the barley is aviv in Israel, because my lilacs are almost toast.
With due respect really the issue of the CALENDAR is extremely important as it's JAH's program about time and life style of the people thus ONE indeeds to understand the TRUTH not what I know or believe coz u can believe and understand WRONG things Guess your part as anyone else is to know the Truth for it shall set us free JAH GUIDE us Shalom
Would like to know more about Jewish calendar but it's all foreign to me.
I'm starting my second year of bubble popness. My aim is to never study calendars and just follow MTOI's calendar. What's the point if you would end up celebrating your feastds by yourself and not with Abba's children
Well stated.
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Hillel II with all its postponements, counting 49 days, not 50 to the firstfruits of the wheat harvest, and Maimonides final calendar rules in the 1200s? Oh, and a 15th Abib passover? Doesn't God's Word say that Judah has caused His people to err, and that He hates our feasts? Even Day 4 in Genesis 1 was new moon day, and Passover landed that year on the 14th day of the moon, the third day of the week, which the Jew, had he been there, would have postponed? Wasn't it the Levites, not the Jews, that were to be in charge of the Temple calendar, and the Jews the copyists only of the oracles of God? Isn't the only time in a month the moon "divides light from darkness" at the moment of conjunction? ...Jerusalem time 2hrs 21min east of UT? Why did Hillel II average new moons when this year in 2023, the new moon of March was March 22nd, whereas Hillel II's calculation makes it impossible to even keep a new moon as per Ezekiel 46:1? The east gate of the Temple will be shut on the day after new moon day, one of the six working days. I don't see that Christ ever acted carnally because people didn't believe His teachings that were contrary to the Pharisees, who He said sat in Moses' seat, that they "say and DO NOT". We cannot change God's statutes to suit ourselves or the authority that God rejected when Christ became our High Priest. Prove all things, and hold fast to that which is GOOD, and don't get mad at anyone about their belief contrary to Scriptures that cannot be broken. If Hillel II is correct, then WHY so much division in the Body still, and not even called "The Church of God", but "messianic" now? What you say has to make sense. Deut.13 is a warning to not follow those that teach to follow another god than the True God and His commandments, statutes and judgments, and calendar issues are NOT GRAY AREAS, but statutes, for which Christ shed His Blood to make peace with God: Col.1:20. Christ did not break the Law of the Peace Offering to do that, but He was waved to be accepted in Heaven as our High Priest, the first of the Firstfruits, within the time frame of the Peace Offering Law: Lev.7:11-21. He spent 3 days and 3 nights paying for our sins, not being in a tomb 3 nights and 3 days (backwards to Matt.12:40). If Christ were in the tomb 3days and 3 nights, He would not have been accepted to make peace because He would have broken the Law of the Peace Offering and would have been an "abomination" as it says in Lev.7 and 19. Crucified on the preparation day, and there is no preparation day for a mid-week high day, only for a high day landing on shabbat. Something wrong here. WCG was in error on many key issues. I was baptized 50 years ago at age 22, into Christ by a WCG minister. They never read the Law in any solemn seventh year, and neither do they know which year that was/IS. Luke 3 and 4 is a huge clue. Finally, I lived 2 years in Izmir, Polycarp's Smyrna, and he and Polycrates took no issue with the bishops of Rome over what day of the week Christ was crucified, or arose from the dead, only that we are to keep Passover on the 14th day of the moon, but Hillel II in 2023 has his passover landing on the 15th day of the moon. Something is radically wrong in your arguments pro-Hillel II, I think. We ought to obey God rather than men. John 10 is a testimony to that effect, truly. The use of Deut.17 as an argument to follow the minister's teachings, is weak seeing Deut.13 is very concise that if that minister teaches contrary to the LAW he has a death penalty on his head for teaching contrary to the Laws of God. There are no gray areas in God's Law. God is not a derelict. God IS the Lawgiver! Many are called, few are chosen. Prove all things, and hold fast to that which is Good. Postponements aren't Good. Only the Jews said to postpone God's Statutes. And then there are the issues of divorce and remarriage, the international date line, and other issues of the apostasy over the centuries. Tabernacles is at the END of the year, not the beginning of another "year"; it is at the end of the circuit of the sun, and the earth obey's God's ordinance automatically, even in the diaspora. Genesis 1 is the foundation of all Doctrine. God's calendar is right there before man was created, in verses 14-19. Jeremiah's 31st and 33rd chapters tell us nothing has changed in the heavenly ordinances since Genesis one. And I don't get angry if someone doesn't believe God. I don't have to have MY own way; other ideas have to make sense, though. Your argumentation is a bit unscriptural I feel. I couldn't go back to postponements; they cannot be proven in the Gospels without using circular reasonings. BTW: the Biblical name for the 7th month is "Ethanim", the month of permanent waters, when Christ will be King of Kings and the Holy Spirit poured out like water on all flesh. It is not a civil year's beginning. But in Ethanim, the Azazel goat will be taken away for a thousand years...that will be a time of refreshing.
Judah makes us go astray?!? Not according to Hoshea 11:12. You better take a closer look at the illustration of the prodigal son, not to mention what the letter 'Dalet' reveals within YHWDH for 'Yahudah/Yehudah or "Judah'...why did YHWH put the letter 'Dalet' within the Tribe of Judah? And what about Zechariah 8:23? Judah isn't the one coming to the Gentiles to learn Torah....
I've read very carefully the points you put here to MTOI (of which I"m not a member), and there's several crucial things that people who want to have these Calendar debates fail to understand:
No one, at this moment in time, is keeping the Calendar 100% Correctly. Even those who are observing the Moedim at the proper time are still doing it wrong, and they are breaking Torah on many levels, and for the following reason(s)
1. There are very specific offerings we are required to bring during the Holy Days....offerings which we can't do at this time. Even with the confirmation of Aviv Barley being important; we can't bring the required first-fruit offering to the Temple--and that, in itself, is a blatant violation of the Torah.
2. Even if we could bring the offerings, the offerings wouldn't be accepted unless that person was purified with the Ashes of the Red Heifer. If you've ever been in a hospital, or touched a dead corpse, we are ceremonially unclean. And so, if I were to attempt to bring an Omer offering to the Temple, without being purified with the Ashes of the Red Heifer on the 3rd and 7th of Aviv, my offerings would not be accepted. Being purified with the Ashes of the Red Heifer has to take place even before bringing the Pesach Lamb into the house on the 10th day of the month.
3. Those who have taken it upon themselves to determine the timing of the Moedim are blatantly breaking Torah--for the Torah shows they were never MEANT to do so. (Deut 17:8-13) The biggest 'excuse' those who want to debate on the Calendar give for not observing the Moedim when they are declared from Jerusalem is, quote, 'the Jews are doing it all wrong'....just as you've done in your comment. They will use scriptures, such as Mark 7:13 to support such statements. What they fail to understand is the following: Leviticus 4:3-12 shows clearly the prescribed offerings the Kohenim would offer for themselves, due to bringing guilt upon the people....would YAH have given this provision if he expected his people to always do things perfectly?!? Just because they're not doing things perfectly, does that give me an excuse to break Deut 17:8-13 and bring judgement upon myself?!?
And so, if the Jews are doing it wrong--the fault will NOT be on any of us in the diaspora/who do not bear the responsibility of determining the Moedim....we have NOT been entrusted with responsibility of decreeing the appointed times. (Bamidbar 18:1-7, Deut 34:8-10). Although you may have 'good intentions' in trying to decree appointed times, those who do so are blatantly sinning. What they're doing is no different that Uzziah (2 Chron 26:18-21) and they will have to be ready to accept judgement from YAH--and it IS coming--for taking upon themselves to try to do a work that the Torah shows was never entrusted to them in the first place. Acting in a sincere belief doesn't make it right....Uzziah was sincere in his pursuit to offer incense. Even as the king, that was NOT for him to do so. If a King from Judah/of the line of David was not able to escape judgement for trying to perform a work he was NOT given to do....then what makes any of us think we will not meet any less of a fate?!?
At 1 Samuel 13:5-14--we read of the account where Saul offers a Sacrifice because Samuel had not arrived to offer the sacrifice 'at the proper time' (see v11) Although Saul had good intentions/was sincere, Was that valid enough reason for Shaul to take matters into his own hands and perform the sacrifice, to ensure it was being done at the right time?!? That was NOT Shaul's responsibility. If he obeyed the Torah, he would have been found guiltless for the sacrifice not being offered at the right time....that would have been on Shemuel's Shoulders: Per 1 Samuel 15:22-24. Saul brought JUDGEMENT upon himself....and so will those who are doing precisely the same thing, who are motivated to keep the Moedim 'at the appointed time' because that's what motivated Shaul. Shaul was sincere, but that did NOT justify what he did. In like manner, no matter how sincere we may be, will YAH accept what we do if were are transgressing his Torah? (Is 8:20)
The ONLY thing we can do at this time is to honor the 'spirit' of YAH's holy days--it's IMPOSSIBLE to keep them to the letter of the Torah at this time. This is one of the many reasons why Paul says at 2 Cor 3:6: The letter kills, but the spirit gives life. Even if you are keeping it at the right time, you're still breaking Torah. This is one of the many reasons why YAH tells us in Ezekiel 37:23 that he will save us from the places 'where they have been sinning'.....so YAH knew we would ALL be sinning; and that includes those who profess to be restoring 'the True Calendar'.
The debates, character assassination, Lashon Hara that occurs so frequently is pointless/futile, and it's one of the many reasons why I have decided to stay completely away from it and keep them when they are decreed by the Jew, from Jerusalem. YAH has never entrusted me--or anyone else here--with the task of determining appointed times. Sadly, Deut 17:8-13 carries absolutely weight with very few people, and the result of blatantly disregarding it does nothing but cause strife and disunity. Not only are they causing unnecessary strife/division, but they are--unknowingly--rejecting Yeshua himself. Why can this be said?
See John 5:45-47: If we disregard what Moshe, under the direction of the Ruach Ha'Qodesh, wrote and PLAINLY stated who would be entrusted with Torah, proclaiming Moedim--then who are we disregarding? Did Yeshua ever contradict Moshe? So, if a teaching contradicts Moshe, is it from YHWH? How are those who take upon themselves to try to decree Moedim and, by the essence of their teachings, contradict Moshe--any different than the Churches who portray Yeshua as someone who walks contrary to Moshe? You may say, 'I don't do that'.....but by your actions you are via promoting a spirit/teaching that contradicts Moshe by saying Deut 17:8-13 doesn't apply to us today--and by Yeshua's own words in this vere, you're bringing judgement upon yourself.
No matter how sincere we may be--if we blantantly refusing to recognize and humble ourselves under the hand of those whom Moshe said would be entrusted with teaching Torah, then we are rebelling against Yeshua. Those who try to justifying not doing so are making Moshe, and Yehshua, out to be liars. The attitude of 'I don't want to bow down to those Jews'.....which of Moshe's words do you feel free to disregard? Because, by disregarding his words, you ARE disregarding Yeshua, whether you realize it or not....period At Acts 15:19-21--we see the Apostles commanded Gentiles to go the Synagogue on Shabbat and learn Torah from the Jews......would the Apostles commanded the Gentiles go to Synagogue if the Judah had it all wrong? Were the Apostles teaching contrary to Moshe? So, in relation to this point we are discussing, if it's contrary to Moshe, then it's wrong.....period.
The truth of the matter is this: Everyone single one of those who are attacking each other over the Calenadar are all missing the mark, and they fail to understand the words of Yeshua at Mathew 9:13, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' Those who are involved in these Calendar debates are, ultimately, falling into the hands of Ha'Satan....and they don't even know it (thus is the essence of deception--who wants to accept the fact they are deceived?!?) You can keep all the Sabbath/Feasts you want to.....without the weighter matters of the Torah, we will ALL miss the mark.
Shalom.
The Number one thing is to follow "The Commands of YAH".
In Exo 12:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying,
Exo 12:2 This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.
We have been told exactly when The Year begins, it ends The New Moon before The New Moon of Abiv(The Barley in the Green) YAH is not The Author of Confusion, and there is No mention of a second calendar system for HIS people to follow...
Read Very Carefully Here...
"...Lev 25:8 And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years.
Lev 25:9 Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land.
Lev 25:10 And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family.
Lev 25:11 A jubile shall that fiftieth year be unto you: ye shall not sow, neither reap that which groweth of itself in it, nor gather the grapes in it of thy vine undressed.
Lev 25:12 For it is the jubile; it shall be holy unto you: ye shall eat the increase thereof out of the field.
Lev 25:13 In the year of this jubile ye shall return every man unto his possession..."
Take careful notice that The Blowing of The Shofar is in The "49th" YEAR and that "Jubile" is in The 50th year, The reason for this is...
Everyone that is of The house of Israel, that is to be released is to be fully furnished to continue thier life without Need...
"Deu 15:11 For the poor shall never cease out of the land: therefore I command thee, saying, Thou shalt open thine hand wide unto thy brother, to thy poor, and to thy needy, in thy land.
Deu 15:12 And if thy brother, an Hebrew man, or an Hebrew woman, be sold unto thee, and serve thee six years; then in the seventh year thou shalt let him go free from thee.
Deu 15:13 And when thou sendest him out free from thee, thou shalt not let him go away empty:
Deu 15:14 Thou shalt furnish him liberally out of thy flock, and out of thy floor, and out of thy winepress: of that wherewith the LORD thy God hath blessed thee thou shalt give unto him.
Deu 15:15 And thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in the land of Egypt, and the LORD thy God redeemed thee: therefore I command thee this thing to day..."
There needs to be time to gather all that each would be in need of... The Shofar blowing in The Seventh New Moon of The 49th year alerts ALL parties involved to make ready for Release AT the beginning of the year, With no excuses that I did not have enough time to make ready for ALL involved, And that ALL would be Released "ON TIME"... As YAH is not Slack in HIS Promise that ALL would be Released IN The 50th YEAR.
Note that ALL will be released to be back where they belong by the Start of The 50th year, And have ALL that they will require to be able to Enjoy The Jubile Year the same as ALL the others of House of Israel...
YAH has Commanded that WE not follow The Multitude to do evil, HE set The New Moon of The Barley in The Green as HEAD of The Year, It did not change to the seventh New Moon. To then jump to the Seventh New Moon and call it The Head of the year is to Break the Command of YAH in Exo 12:2 This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you. YAH does not contradict HIS SELF...
Please read Carefully that passage again... The Shofar is being blown in the 49th year To mark The UP coming 50th year The Jubile Year...
Then there is the Problem of The Levitical Priest telling you to do something NOT in The Commands of YAH...
"...Deu 17:8 If there arise a matter too hard for thee in judgment, between blood and blood, between plea and plea, and between stroke and stroke, being matters of controversy within thy gates: then shalt thou arise, and get thee up into the place which the LORD thy God shall choose;
Deu 17:9 And thou shalt come unto the priests the Levites, and unto the judge that shall be in those days, and enquire; and they shall shew thee the sentence of judgment:
Deu 17:10 And thou shalt do according to the sentence, which they of that place which the LORD shall choose shall shew thee; and thou shalt observe to do according to all that they inform thee:
Deu 17:11 According to the sentence of the law which they shall teach thee, and according to the judgment which they shall tell thee, thou shalt do: thou shalt not decline from the sentence which they shall shew thee, to the right hand, nor to the left.
Deu 17:12 And the man that will do presumptuously, and will not hearken unto the priest that standeth to minister there before the LORD thy God, or unto the judge, even that man shall die: and thou shalt put away the evil from Israel.
Deu 17:13 And all the people shall hear, and fear, and do no more presumptuously.
They are not to Instruct you to do ANY thing outside the Commands of YAH, And calendar building is outside The Commands of YAH...(read verse 11 again) There is NO where in Torah, where Anyone is told to build a calendar...
There is NO unity in Breaking The Commands of YAH... Which HE says is EVIL... And is The Way of Heathens...
@j1mbobtech There's a few things you're not getting:
1. Who gets to decide when the Barley is in the stage of Aviv? There are many 'barley search teams' out there--all claiming to be doing it 'right', and yet, their proclamation of Aviv is causing people to keep the Moedim 2-3 months apart from each other. Amongst Barley Search Teams--they can't even agree on what constitutes Barley. You talk about no unity when breaking YAH's commandments, and yet, the Barley Search Teams themselves have no unity.
2. You do realize, per Deut 26:12-15, an extra month must be added once every 3 years to the annual tithes that were to be brought to help care for Orphans and Widows. What Ya'aqov (James) said in his letter at James 1:27 wasn't just something that's 'random'...when he said to look after Orphans and widows, all knew he was clearly talking about the tithe of the 3rd and 6th year....this is a separate tithe than tithe that is required every year in Deut 14:22-26. This annual tithe also plays a part in decreeing the appointed times.
3. The Head of the Year that is decreed in the 7th Month is for the CIVIL Calendar...this is used for proclaiming Shemitahs, Jubilees, and years of tithing...Aviv is used for the proclaiming the Moedim--such as Passover, Shavuot, etc.. In Scripture, there are 2 basic Calendars at work. Years of tithing are proclaimed in the 7th Month, and it had to be, so that when the Barley Harvest came around in Aviv, Farmers would know they had to set their tithes aside...they couldn't just do that at a 'last moment's notice'. In years of Tithings, when an extra month was needed to accomdate for the commanded tithe, every man was commanded to bring their tithes (for the 3rd and 6th year) to the Temple and recite what is written in v13-15 on the 13th of Aviv--1 day before Passover. It's IMPOSSIBLE to fulfil the required tithe for Orphans/widow of the 3rd/6th year without having an additional month to accomdate for it.
4. At Deut 31:9-13, when Moses gives the command to the Levites to read the Book of Deuteronomy at Sukkot "at the end of every seven years', Moses is clearly referring to the Civil Calendar that was proclaimed in the 7th month) and NOT the 1st month for establishing the annual Moedim. How do we know this? v10 "Moses gave them these orders: "At THE END OF EVERY SEVEN YEARS, DURING THE FESTIVAL OF SUKKOT, IN THE YEAR OF THE SHEMITAH....' Sukkot is observed in the 7th month....why would he call it 'then end' of the 7th year? Because he was referring to the Civil Calendar to is used to prolaim 'Shemitahs', and this is done in the 7th month, not the first month--the end of the year for Moedim is the 12th Month of Adar....why is Moses calling Sukkot/the 7th month, 'the end of the year'? Because the year he was referrring to was Civil years, and thoses are decreed in the 7th month.
5. Your application of Deut 17:8-13 is way off in left field. Deut 17:8-13 has nothing to do with doing something the Levites may have commanded us that YAH never commanded us obey.....it was speaking about contentious issues (like the Calendar) that would arise and, when this happened, you were to go to the Judges in those days at the city gates who would then render a decision. After that decision/judgement was given, if anyone stubbornly refused to obey, the penalty was to be cut off from the Congregation of Israel.
Abba shows the Levitical priesthood could make an error in judgement--as shown Leviticus 4:3-12, which shows clearly the prescribed offerings the Kohenim would offer for themselves, due to bringing guilt upon the people....would YAH have given this provision if he expected his people to always do things perfectly?!? Just because they're not doing things perfectly, does that give me an excuse to break Deut 17:8-13 and bring judgement upon myself?!?
While there's no question to the fact that the Aviv Barley/Rosh Chodesh plays a part in the proclamation of the Moedim...it's only one part. Who ever you're learning Torah from isn't teaching you the WHOLE PICTURE, like years of tithing, etc.. If this were the case, you wouldn't be saying the 7th Month has no validity--because Moses clearly was referring to the 7th month.
From the comments you left to MTOI, it's obvious that who ever you're learning Torah from hasn't been properly taught or trained.
Shalom.
@@Baboon4215 You Now accuse YAH of having confusion in the Calendar system... There are NOT two calendar systems, nor ANY charge (Command) for Anyone to refer at different times a different Calendar... You sir are the one with a poor Teacher... Your Whole explanation is dependent on there being TWO calendars... YAH never gave a command for ANYONE to make a Calendar, HE Said YOU count... Calendars are a man made "Device" they are not even in The Bible...
@@j1mbobtech So, there aren't 2 Calendars within the Biblical Calendar?!? Hmm.....
Lev 25:8-13: Counting the 'year of Yovel'....was that done in the first month of Aviv? It was done in the 7th month, not the first month. The head of the CIVIL year for proclaiming years of tithing, Jubilees, and Shemitahs and done on the 7th month...the head of the CIVIL year. Aviv is for establishing the head of the RELIGIOUS year--both working together--just like your right/left hands work together.
We also have clear proof Moshe was referring to the Civil Calendar in Deut 31:10-13, when he commanded the entire book of Deuteronomy to be read at Sukkot. He clearly says in v10, 'At the END of every seven years, during the festival of Sukkot in the year of the Shemitah,".... The end of the religious year is in the 12th Month. Why did Moshe specifically command to reading of Deut. to be done at Sukkot 'at the end of every seven years"? Because he was referring to CIVIL years--the years when tithing, Jubilees, and Shemitahs are proclaimed--just as he said within the same verse, 'in the year of the Shemitah'....would you call Moshe's command to read Deuteronomy--at Sukkot--'at the end of the year' to be a 'man-made-device?
Regarding the counting, who is the 'you' that does the counting? Is it for just anyone to do that counting? Who's the 'you'? The entire book of Leviticus is given to the KOHENIM, who were entrusted to lead all Israel in proclaiming the timing of the moedim....the 'you' isn't directed to just directed to any individual to read and interpret on their own....the 'you'...is the Kohenim.
It's quite clear you're not reading the assigned Torah/Haftarah Readings/B'rit HaDashah readings that are assigned from Israel.... It's quite clear what the real problem is--a that you're erroneously trying to project at me in Abba's name--and it's a thing that is known as anti-semitism. It's truly amazing to see what happens anyone joins themselves to the Jews. If was joining myself to anyone else other than the Jews, it would be fine.
Good day.