-> open youtube -> see a video stating that i don't have free will as the first recomendation -> "b# what the f# are you talking about i DO have free will" -> *procceds to do the most predictable and probabilistic thing ever imaginable: clicking in the video*
well, the way i see it if you actively tried to avoid the video based on the fact that it was trying to make you click on it, your decision was still influenced and based on what the video did. so for me, i just click based on whether or not i'm feeling curious or not. whether or not that that means i have free will, i honestly don't mind all that much, i make the decision for me either way :D
@@mollofistraye5164 This is the kind of stupid circular logic you have to have in order to genuinely believe that free will is impossible. The argument simply doesn't work without this cyclical and binary way of thinking.
@@thepoopieshow sliced bread is killing us because it has to include preservatives and conditioners to stay fresh on the store shelf. Poor gut microbiome. It just wants to make us happy while it makes poop, but we choose to destroy it with ultra processed foods. Oh wait, that was never our choice.
Your videos are so random. But.. I mean, you sound so.. I don't even know, the things you talk about have so much research in them that they are interesting. You make it sound so hilarious and the animations are funny. Good videos.
haha, they r pretty randomly. I usually write down ideas, but then just make a video on some bizarre question that's made its way into my head. on the poopie show, we learn ab useless things :~) together
I thought of if I was in the button pressing experiment id not push the button until they kicked me out. Just have them on the edge of their seats, just edging scientific advancement
Stating that free will doesn’t exist is nowhere near bait. It is like stating 1+1=2. The only people that disagree are normies that don’t understand the idea or have never heard it or religious people.
Those lines you draw close to your eyes sometimes look like eye bags but sometimes they look like your mouth, which makes you look pissed off. I find it amusing
I always need some time to make myself see her face like I'm supposed to (I think) because I often see that little nose as her mouth and those lines as mouth too lol. That's an interesting art style
*ITS GOOD TO KNOW* that I am not responsible for my extremely long list of utterly terrible choices in life...!!! But what I can say is - the universe is REALLY bad at making choices if Im anything to go by.
The way I see it is that we are basically a big in/out machine. If you're in a situation you'll act in the way you want to, but the way you want to act would be molded by your surroundings over time. So you're still doing what you want to, but you are the way you are because of both genetics and environmental factors.
One important thing to bear in mind is the potential for belief in determinism to diminish your personal responsibility, even when factors ARE in your control. You may not be responsible for all of your circumstances, but you are responsible for your actions, whether or not your brain chemistry obeys the laws of cause and effect.
Personally, i think that even if we don't have free will, we should still act like we do, because it feels like it, and because there's really no benefit in knowing that we don't
textbook illusionism, we don't technically have free will, but our actions are still unique and our own, we've no clue about what specifically caused them so might as well enjoy the ride
genuinely appreciate the thought provoking topics you decide to touch on, and the succinctness of your dialogue... and yes dialogue, because though you're the only one speaking in your videos, I still feel as though you're talking directly to your viewers. You give weight to words deserving and speak to the truth beyond the words themselves. so thank you for your goofy lil videos - always a pleasure to see a new work of yours.
The thing about "free will" is that you'd never know the difference if you had it or not anyway. Whether or not fate is set in stone by, like, chance interactions between subatomic particles butterfly-effecting through eons, the fact that we only have one observable "timeline" no matter what we do makes it basically completely impossible to prove anything. What are you gonna do, pull up all the times I ordered food at that _exact moment_ and make a pie chart out of the results? It happened ONE TIME
Free will may not exist, but my brain chemistry and other factors have resulted in me making the "decision" not to care because at the end of the day, I can either "choose" to go insane over it or just ignore it and feel like I have free will, and apparently every event leading up to this point has led to the former over the latter "choice".
From all the other videos telling me that I have no free will (and I have seen several of them in the last few months) I decided to click on yours and watch it till the end.
I think that free will does exist. I also think that it doesn't. Not because I want to wax on poetically, but because I think that the terms are ill-defined. It's a language problem more than a philosophical/science problem. Before you try to figure out if you have it, you should have some definitions that'll lead you into being able to make a falsifiable experiment. If you don't have one, you can just make up your own to fit the narrative you want to make. If the universe is deterministic, does that mean that we don't have free will? If so, then we KINDA do. While the world around us is locally deterministic, quantum mechanics aren't (as far as we know). This means there's an element of randomness to reality. If you just mean that you can't influence your decisions outside of your own brain, then of course you don't have free will. You don't get to choose what body, brain, and circumstances of your life, but how would you? How would you choose what brain you want to have when your brain is what makes you choose? What's the difference between making a choice and being forced into an action? Ultimately, I feel that "free will" is discussed way too deontologically by people who generally share a more utilitarian set of morals. "Free will" isn't a useful term in ethics if you don't define what your 'will' is 'free' of, and only use them as black and white terms. If "free will" doesn't exist, are prisoners just as free as everyone else? What does 'will' mean if not the mechanics of your brain that allow you to have preferences? I think the argument becomes more useful if we define "free will" as more of a 2-axis spectrum: something being 'free' to do something _independent_ of some variables, and the 'will' to have preferences and do logic. Prisoners are less free because they can't do what they want, and tornados have little will because they move indiscriminately. This is how fault works in court; I don't see why it can't work that way in philosophy.
1. Only very recently discovered your content, but I absolutely love it. 2. I don't think that determinism speaks against free will. Sure, the universe seems to follow the rules of causality and that includes the atoms in our brain, but the desitions I make are still made by those atoms. The universe is deterministic, but the collection of atoms that is us is part of those "determine-ings" (choices. (Choices) "determine-ings" we still made freely, in that case. It also helps to remember that determinism does not mean predictable. Its actually impossible to predict with absolutely certainty that something is going to happen (With one caveat that is not really relevant though imo). The reason is that to predict something, you also need to factor in your prediction, and then factor in the prediction to your prediction, resulting in an endless loop.
Yeah no mind can hold all the infinitesimal causes which leads to an effect It's incompatible. But it might just be that incompatibility which gives rise to free will.
you still put the axe kid in jail, not because they made bad decision and need a time out, but because they are dangerous and shouldn't be around other people. this is also why a rehabilitive judicial system is the only sane one...
Exactly. If they're evaluated to be a danger, you don't just let someone roam free, even if it wasn't their fault for being an axe kid. Blame doesn't preclude protection. But what it does absolve if we let it go is the vengeance idea and actually ask. "Why did they become an axe kid? - What can we do as a society to change and alter those factors, genetics, environment, social circle etc to prevent it from happening again?" Axe kid is kept away humanely as possible for safety, not out of anger or "justice". There is no justice. A person who was subject to determinism killed/hurt another person also subject to the same thing. That sucks, that should be fixed, not retroactively punished. That doesn't stop future axe kids.
Dropping a comment before you blow up and get so many you'll have to stop reading them, you made a lot of really funny and cool videos on interesting topics. Thank you for the effort you put In them and putting a smile on people's faces .
This is actually the only way that this theory has been explained that I can understand, and wow, it makes sense! I believe in this and yet it won’t effect the way I that I go about my life because it doesn’t matter whether I don’t control everything I do because I can still make the outcome the best one possible :]
I clicked on this video cuz I remembered seeing your cute drawings and hearing your cute voice because of youtube autoplay throwing me onto an earlier video, and i wanted to see and hear the cuteness again. I was tempted to ignore it out of spite as I tend to do, but couldn't resist cuteness.
Neuroscientists recently confirmed that the "reality" we experience is MOSTLY in our own heads. Our brain simulates an approximation of reality based off its understanding of cause and effect, and checks in with its senses only when they report something different than the simulation. This lets the brain operate without needing to constantly process a huge amount of sensory information. It's also why we sometimes "see" things that aren't there.
@@Sevofthesands It's funny how upset the our brains get at realizing that they/we are indeed brains. I think it's because it makes us think about mortality and questions the idea of "I" outright.
Idk how I found this channel, but there is no going back at this point. My job will get that report eventually, I have some binging to do....to keep up with the lore, of course!
Hi ppppie, i have been watching your videos for few days now. i can't get enough of. all the content you made even the years old one are still so good. thanks for the awesome content. :)
I think a person should know that free will may not exist, but act as though they do have free will. That is the key to feeling security. Somewhat like how the stoics focus on what is within our control. Each of us is gifted with an illusion of free will, and it's on us to use it to make our existence better.
every physical event has a cause. what separates something conscious from something unconscious is that it can be selective with what causes influence its future actions. if this was not true forgiveness would be impossible, poker would be a game without any thinking, what is there to consider if there is just one action to make? vs what you can see to best approximate the actions and the hands of the other players. never forget youre not just created, but you have the ability to create and transcend mere cause and effect
I already knew what this video was abt because we had it in school. Therefore this was not very interesting for me, but i watched it anyway to support my gurl! (The editing is also pretty well made so even if the content isn’t for you rn, the editing is always entertaining!) Comment for the algorithm
Four days ago, I listened to my final lecture in an introductory philosophy class. Free will was the topic in question. I'm now here because UA-cam inexplicably recommended me a video from a channel I had never heard of before. My phone does seem to know more about me than I'd like to admit. To say that causal factors don't ultimately cause behaviors evades any rationality behind me being in this comment section. I will inevitability watch more of these in the future.
"I'm now here because UA-cam inexplicably recommended me a video from a channel I had never heard of before." don't you know that happens all the time? I would've never known about how good the netherlands were if not for youtube just randomly throwing a not just bikes video at me despite me not having ever watched anything even close to city planning before except maybe LGIO which I discovered earlier Let's game it out, I had watched gaming videos before but none compared to this one that I found in my home feed one day insanity, humor and how did he manage to even get to the goal like that, all in one
my lack of free will is currently too focused on halloumi to understand what's going on here... i love halloumi. i could eat an entire block in one meal and still be hungry. well, one of those little 250 gram supermarket blocks. is there a better place to get halloumi? the shrink wrap makes it fall apart when i cut into it. makes it harder to fry up. my lack of free will is telling me that i should get some halloumi, lettuce, spicy chili-filled havarti and a killer loaf of sourdough while i still have zucchini and avocado. unfortunately, capitalism. i don't have any money or a job. and without any money or job experience i can't get a job. i think i am getting screwed over, therefore i am. or something. no clue what the original quote is supposed to mean. doesn't resonate as deeply with me as an anecdote about cold halloumi. anyway, i at first thought well that title is stupid of course free will exists. but, ignoring everything in the video because my brain is a cinder block and i didn't understand it, does free will exist? i mean, my will to get ingredients for a delicious halloumi sandwich is being quashed by capitalism. maybe i have a will, but it's definitely not a free one. it's not like i decided what my will actually is, either. that's the one part of the video i got because it's already something i understood. so i didn't decide it and i don't even get to act on it. definitely not free
Just because we don't have Free Will doesn't mean we lack the ability to make choices. The choices we make reflect who we are as individuals - the thoughts we think, the values we uphold, the ideas we have. People who make poor choices were in a position to make a better decision and for various reasons they did not. Lack of technical Free Will doesn't pardon a person from taking responsibility for the actions they've taken.
while I will agree that one can be led by outside factors to an either or choice decision , ultimately we make that choice on our own . Sometimes what is right is much harder to choose , but it's up to us to choose it . Claiming we have no free will is just a way to excuse unacceptable behavior .
The universe is not deterministic, it is probablistic, we've known this since the discovery of qauntum mechanics. This is why asserting lack of free will on the basis of determinism is dumb.
Quantum mechanics don't apply on macro scale and we also don't even fully understand them. Schrodinger's thought experiment was meant to show this. The idea that observation somehow causes reality to exist is a nonsense idea. The cat is alive or dead. Us knowing or not doesn't change that reality. Physics doesn't exist just because we're here to observe it. The double slit experiment shown in that movie "what the bleep do we know" was already disproven in the reason for it's behavior. What was not thought about was the fact that for our eyeballs to observe, we need light and light particles would change the way something reacts when it's on scales that small. This is the issue with digestible versions of complex physics to the general public. It gets taken by some hollywood film that totally doesn't understand what it's talking about. That's to say, I don't know practically anything about quantum mechanics, but my lack of knowledge doesn't mean that it's just up for grabs either. It's highly unlikely that any physical law would break another, because then our world would be chaos. I'd highly recommend watching videos from experts to explain it and even then, looking up quite a few of them as one isn't a monolith in their own understanding. Science unfortunately rarely has anything wrapped up in neat little bows. Given that the universe is ultimately made up of quarks and atoms, all of which in great enough density form extremely complex processes, nothing is really simple. The only one I know of that might be tangential to this is entropy. If entropy reverses (energy is attracted to itself instead of wanting to always disperse) which it has if I understand right, a very small infinitesimal chance of happening, then we'd get the big bang again, which may explain why all energy is never created nor destroyed. If the chances of entropy reversing are insanely small, but possible, then it's likely to have happened through sheer probability at some point. If time, which is just our measurement of entropy and change and likely not an actual force in itself, as explained in a Italian professor that's pretty easy to find on youtube, then it's itself infinite and we have no idea how old existence is, but only around how old our universe might be. If it is a probability game, then entropy going into reverse has probably happened many many times, so long as energy can't actually be created or destroyed. Other than this, chaos theory too also doesn't break any known laws. It gets wacky, but it doesn't bend what we know as cause and effect. Chaos theory is all possibility, but not impossibilities. If something is impossible, nothing breaks that. The cat being alive and dead at the same time is impossible as it goes against all other known laws. Entropy reversing might actually bend those laws, but it also wouldn't break them. Things would just be inverted because the core of things is energy in them.
I just wonder how this ‘inevitably' in all decision making jives with the Actual Experience - where Some things happen effortlessly and without input, while Others Only EVER happen after long and difficult struggles., even if only within ourselves.
That stuff about court cases is something I've thought about a lot. You can't expect someone to wanna go to prison just because they regret their actions. We want people incarcerated because we wanna be sure they learn something, because we want them to be separated from people they could mistreat, or because we're spiteful hypocrites. But what's their motive for wanting to go to prison if they've already learned their lesson? Like if someone commits murder in a moment of unparalleled rage & immediately regrets it, what are they supposed to expect to gain from going to prison. It's not gonna teach 'em that their actions were wrong. They already know. And that's not even getting into the fact that most people have responsibilities to others. "Sorry, kids. I have to abandon you for the remainder of my life so I can show accountability by sitting in a little box & doing nothing." No caring parent is gonna make that choice. They're gonna lie so they can take care of their kids. Or tell the truth if lying isn't an option but even then, they're gonna act whichever way they think will give them the best chance of taking care of their kids. The same goes for the kids themselves if they love their parents. Why would they wanna make their parents go the rest of their lives knowing their kid is in prison & eventually die without their kid while knowing their kid will eventually die alone in prison?
Our emotional gut reaction is taste of own medicine, which is why most cultures came up with punishment as an answer to undesired behavior and doesn't question where the undesired behavior actually comes from. No one should ever be put into a situation where they experience blind rage and do something they massively regret. But we don't think about those types of things, we think everyone is dealt a hand of cards and they need to deal with whatever they were dealt and then we glorify the people who seem to do well in spite of a bad hand and say "it all works out in the end." I say, kids die of starvation and treatable diseases because they're poor. Tell me where karma is or how one life vs another is "balanced" when someone suffers and another does not. I think free-will and punishment make our world worse and do not at all help actually stop the problems all of us hate, fear and want gone. Also, it's not nirvana fallacy either, perfection is the enemy of progress. Even if you can't control all the issues in society and cause and effect situations that can lead to regret, you should do as much as you can. Less people turning to crime and violence is always a good thing. Less situations and pressures that might otherwise encourage or demand abhorrent behavior should always be priority for society to foster. But we don't, because we just throw people in jail and think they're crazy, an asshole or a bad person and call it a day.
I can proudly tell that i come to terms with my lack of free quite a long time ago so i will now live the rest of my life not trying to go out of the ordinary unless my previous experiences shaped my brain in a way that i would do so.
free will doesnt exist, but putting yourself into situations where you may be inclined to make another choice other than the default is up to you. back when information was highly limited, you could argue that people jsut dont know. but now with the internet, anyone can know anything, its up to you to expand your knowledge so you can make better choices that are not up to you.
For me it boils down to whether or not the concept of random exists or if we simply don't have enough information to decode the noise. I like the single electron universe theory, so I'm ok with whichever.
i believe the universe guides you and you can choose to follow the directions or carve your own path. we are born in certain conditions and in places like china your career can be decided from birth, but even then, it is possible to achieve your own dream. its just difficult, because an individual path will be rocky, uphill and filled with obstacles, while the chosen path is smooth, straight and rewarded. if you believe free will doesnt exist, if you achieved something, because it was predetermined, why would you be proud of it? no matter what you would do, it would still happen, therefore, it was not earned and has no meaning. while free will gives you the ability to improve yourself from your mistakes and to be proud of what you achieved. i believe this is a much better approach to free will than both of the extremes. the one extreme of the weak mindset that says you have no volition, which absolves you from any fault and pride, and the other callous mindset saying everything is under your own control, which makes you fight things out of your control, like where you were born or who your parents were. i also believe that the subconscious should not be separated from the conscious, as its still us. its just a side of us with honed instincts, which would explain why it would react faster to stimuli, but that also makes its choices less valuable, as they are raw and hurried
Due to being social creatures and generally greater than the sum of our parts, this makes perfect sense. We act differently in isolation vs around others. The mind has other cues to function on.
I managed to avoid clicking on this video when it popped up in my recommendation for 2 days straight but alas finally clicked in the 3rd day it was recommended to me
I think, according to this video's logic, free will is comparable to a die. It's technically random, but if you were able to replicate the outside environment perfectly, then the result will always be the same.
So that unconcious brain activity study is commonly misunderstood the way you did. Yes the build up happens but it happens when you think about pressing the button there is a period between build up and pressing where the person can chose not to. Our current theory is that it's you brain prepping the signals to get your body to do the acting. Think of it like how you computer for performance will sometimes run the instructions in an if statement before the conditional has evaluated as it's faster to risk unnecessary computation than do commands sequentially.
Poopie my dear, where have you been all my life? I stumbled across your channel about an hour ago, and I've been watching your videos nonstop. Great work, I'm looking forward to your future content
Holy cow, it's so refreshing to see that I'm not the only one who came up with this theory! Like, hey, I'm not the only crazy physics enthusiast in this world! Nice!
An interesting counter to Libet's hypothesis is that the human body could be an anticipatory processing system rather than a purely reactive system. But it's still so fascinating.
One flaw of that brain research is that the person still made the conscious decision to move. That the motor area of the brain activiated first is irrelevant.
Definitely clicked on this video because I've spent the past weekend binge watching most of your videos. Or maybe thats just what I think, not what I am
DAY 1: The algorithm has blessed me with yet another video from the poopie show. But wait- This title....This simple yet provocative statement awakens something within me. I quickly hit pause before the video can play and see a long road before me. The trial of endurance has begun....
Well in an abstract sense, legal systems assume that actions taken on its part can influence the actions of the offender and potential offenders in the future. So it doesn’t necessarily need free will to exist. It too is a machine that has an input and an output. In this case, the output is input for other humans so they generate the desired output. But how you define the desired output is a different story
My opinion on that one button experiment is that it only proves their is some subconscious impulse that happens during the decision making process. But it doesn't prove that we can't override subconscious impulses. Especially in decisions that matter more than hitting a button. And secondly I don't believe determinism and free will are mutually exclusive. One reason is that even in the strictly material sense where we our our brain and nothing more. Our brain making a choice through whatever process is us making the choice. And secondly even if we always would have made the same choice due to cause and effect pushing us in a certain direction ultimately at the moment of desicion we choose that choice barring certain mental issues. Even if due to our own personal disposition and circumstances we would always choose that choice
Man, next time i see a kabab spinning at a restaurant. I'll feel less guilty about trying to eat it like a corn dog and getting banned from another restaurant, because now i'll know, that it was all my destiny 💪
The issue with subscribing to a deterministic viewpoint is mainly that no one can ever be at fault for what they did (including moustache man from WWII or North koreas dictators) so you have no real reason to dislike them other than preference, and morally, you're no better than them in the first place because morality is pretty much useless. Funnily enough it doesn't affect the legal system at all though, because you can still imprison people based on whether they break laws that the collective population believe should be in place, but it also leads to a "might makes right" situation, which to be fair is already happening in today's world in a more covert way with the higher ups spinning the narrative and obscuring details, paying off the media etc.
Humans aren't entirely logical beings. We're ruled by our emotions, which have kept us generally alive. It is important to feel anger and fear, but reactions of vengeance don't really help. So yes, all the atrocities in history (and in the future) were/are committed by people who were products of their genetics, environment, time period etc. That doesn't mean we don't deter the actions and show that the tribe of humans aren't upset and hurt by the actions of others. We're all still subject to social structure. We care what the tribe thinks and we benefit from working as a species that is greater than the sum of it's parts. It is in our interest for survival in order to follow what the tribe collectively determines is good. Killing a bunch of people, usually considered bad among the majority. What it does offer though is ask, why? Why did they do those things? Or better yet, what caused them to do them? Can we prevent it? Is deterrence via social response enough to stop it? Is it caused by something deeper? Are there people out there with propensity for the same due to genetics, childhood, chemical imbalance? How did the social systems of the time allow for someone who is damaged and malfunctioning in a way that harms others get into positions of power? What can we change or modify to stop in society to prevent it form reoccurring? History shouldn't just be a lesson, it should be a deep dive into the mechanics at work that facilitated the outcome, good and bad.
I have something too, believing in not having free will will change for shure something in your life compared to believing, but as we know universe already knows* what to do *it definitely doesn't have mind of it's own
I personally do not think a lot but so am I am? I also literally dont have an internal monologue, no voice in my head. I just do things sometimes and dont know why, like why did I grab this spoon? Was I planning on using it? Well what would I use a spoon for when I am just getting me some milk for my cookie?
Free will, destiny, who cares? "Everything has it's wonders, even darkness and silence, and I learn whatever state I may find myself in, therein to be content." ~ Helen Keller Learn to be satisfied with your choices, no matter how you made them, and you'll never need to worry if it was you or fate who chose.
getting philosophical myself: I believe free will does exist because, as was said, people are shaped by their environments. This is how we get personalities, if we were not shaped by these things we would all be blank slates; everyone choosing a default position of any given topic as they are incapable of being individuals, which could be argued to be as the true lack of free will as will is a result of personality, and if you are not making choices based off of that due to external factors around you (ex: friends pressuring you, prison, ext) then your free will has been temporarily, or permanently taken from you (the is why people are terrified of imprisonment) If you don't think personality is real let's talk about animals: they are born with 'temperaments'. Humans, as being animals ourselves are also born with these. An outlook coming straight out of the womb is going to shape how you interact with, and therefore learn from the world around you. the argument that you are only shaped by the world around you and nothing else is disproved by this fact.
Sorry to bust your bubble, but personality/temperament is more than likely determined, bud. You have it right out of the womb without a choice, then this thing that you didn't have a choice in is just another contributing factor to what you do.
Well argued. I actually found it pretty interesting and would like to hear more. I would even like to discuss it with you personally. One of my degrees is in philosophy and I think we could make some interesting points. That'll never happen though. I will say that this poopie was unexpected. I'm grateful for it, and it's the only time I've been grateful for an unexpected poopy.
You’re bringing morals into a discussion about free will which doesn’t make sense. Living things simply do what makes sense to them in the moment do to chemical reactions. That’s the free will discussion. There is no such thing as free will. I’m responding to your comment because it makes sense for me to do so because I find value in more people understanding that there is no free will and what I value is not my choice.
@@martinvera4720 my statement doesn’t imply that at all, I have morals, standards, and empathy which I didn’t choose of course and everyone’s are different. I’m not going to pretend that everyone chose every situation they’re in because it would make me feel better. I still believe people are responsible for their actions and should be punished or praised for them. I’m not saying there’s no such thing as choices at all, I don’t believe it’s someone’s choice to be racist or religious but it’s certainly a choice to say something racist. I often find myself having much more sympathy than most people because I understand most things and most decisions aren’t choices that exist in a vacuum. I didn’t really choose where I work, it happened to be close enough and paid what I needed and so I applied. I didn’t choose what town I lived in or country I was born in I just did what makes sense based on the current status of my life which is mostly not my choice.
@@povgames You’re conflating internal and external forces. You can say your options may be limited. You can say certain events affect you, but you’re responsible of the actions you take, because you’re still in control of the things you do due to free will. I think it’s crazy to say there’s no free will. You definitely have a choice to do the right thing. When I hear there is no free will, I thought of an atheistic point of view. Morals are derived from the self and can sometimes be gathered from others, but if all morals are derived from chemical reactions/processes, there is no moral standard. People are not responsible for owning slaves, they were just inclined to do so due to their bodily autonomy gearing them in that direction. Same for the Nazis. Killing people believing it was the morally right thing to do. If you believe your morals or say chemically processed inclination is better than the Nazis, that doesn’t matter. They were derived from the same thing
at one point we had Free Will, but once Will realized he was Free he tried to leave so he was imprisoned for all eternity.
I thought Free Will was stolen by big corps and then became Will™
I dont like this go back to talking about funny mushrooms im scared
Free Willy
So he just had to wander out without realizing it
Will was just a worker for Free , poor Will, he shouldn't have known this. Endless Free Will
-> open youtube
-> see a video stating that i don't have free will as the first recomendation
-> "b# what the f# are you talking about i DO have free will"
-> *procceds to do the most predictable and probabilistic thing ever imaginable: clicking in the video*
my evil scheme worked >:--)
@@thepoopieshow We expect nothing less of you...!!!
well, the way i see it if you actively tried to avoid the video based on the fact that it was trying to make you click on it, your decision was still influenced and based on what the video did. so for me, i just click based on whether or not i'm feeling curious or not. whether or not that that means i have free will, i honestly don't mind all that much, i make the decision for me either way :D
@@mollofistraye5164 This is the kind of stupid circular logic you have to have in order to genuinely believe that free will is impossible. The argument simply doesn't work without this cyclical and binary way of thinking.
B# is indeed a cursed note
If we lack free will, then I can only conclude the universe exists with the goal of inventing and perfecting sliced bread.
ok that's one too many comments ab sliced bread at this point that's my next research topic
@@thepoopieshow sliced bread is killing us because it has to include preservatives and conditioners to stay fresh on the store shelf. Poor gut microbiome. It just wants to make us happy while it makes poop, but we choose to destroy it with ultra processed foods.
Oh wait, that was never our choice.
We perfected dices sliced bread in the dark ages. Perfect sliced bread is sliced off of a whole loaf immediately before being eaten
@@Mothman1992
You cite the ancient texts to me? I was there when they were written!
@@realdaggerman105 I made bread last night
There is no free will, but there is discount will, 50% off
Heck yeah
Damn. I need to earn some money to buy that. I'm waiting for black Friday to aggressively grab that from other people
Your videos are so random. But.. I mean, you sound so.. I don't even know, the things you talk about have so much research in them that they are interesting. You make it sound so hilarious and the animations are funny. Good videos.
haha, they r pretty randomly. I usually write down ideas, but then just make a video on some bizarre question that's made its way into my head. on the poopie show, we learn ab useless things :~) together
I thought of if I was in the button pressing experiment id not push the button until they kicked me out. Just have them on the edge of their seats, just edging scientific advancement
@@redmist6630but how could you know you'd do that if you didn't watch this video?
She is 4chan //b/ incarnate (before it got turned into p*rn spam)
@thepoopieshow the best show for people with ADHD brain
normally I don't click on bait titles, but poopie is worth it
True. It's obvious bait titles and thumbnails that I, out of spite, will not click.
so real
"Free will is a myth. Religion is a joke.
We are all pawns, controlled by something greater: Memes. The DNA of the soul"
Stating that free will doesn’t exist is nowhere near bait. It is like stating 1+1=2. The only people that disagree are normies that don’t understand the idea or have never heard it or religious people.
This is literally the video, though. Naming the video after its thesis isn't exactly baiting.
Those lines you draw close to your eyes sometimes look like eye bags but sometimes they look like your mouth, which makes you look pissed off. I find it amusing
I always need some time to make myself see her face like I'm supposed to (I think) because I often see that little nose as her mouth and those lines as mouth too lol. That's an interesting art style
I think it has been said by poopie herself that her mouth is not visible and that the “collar” is infact her teeth. I might be wrong though
It looks a bit like a grumpy cat's mouth
Want to really mess with your head go check her old vids she had a mouth ahes evolved past such things
what’s a bigger mindscrew- non-oriental shapes or budget cut poopie’s facial features? even i find it hard to answer this sometimes
We might not have free will but we do have a will that differentiate us from any other rock in space and I think that's solid
Yeah, we tend to refer to that as "consciousness" if you were curious.
You could say this about literally anything. We are only unique to anything else to the same degree that it is also unique to us.
@@Illumine01He didn't mean being unique. He meant having sentience.
heh, rock solid
*ITS GOOD TO KNOW* that I am not responsible for my extremely long list of utterly terrible choices in life...!!!
But what I can say is - the universe is REALLY bad at making choices if Im anything to go by.
Sounds just like a christian. "oh im not responsible for anything so f it!"
@@lexecomplexe4083 - well I was taking full responsibility until 5 hours ago, now this little lady gave me an out and Im taking it LOL
@@piccalillipit9211Bro would sign up for the Matrix voluntarily if it was build
@@piccalillipit9211that shouldn’t discourage self improvement and taking responsibility because those things are determined for anyone to do as well
@@linuxramblingproductions8554 NA too late - Ive given up now
The way I see it is that we are basically a big in/out machine. If you're in a situation you'll act in the way you want to, but the way you want to act would be molded by your surroundings over time. So you're still doing what you want to, but you are the way you are because of both genetics and environmental factors.
One important thing to bear in mind is the potential for belief in determinism to diminish your personal responsibility, even when factors ARE in your control. You may not be responsible for all of your circumstances, but you are responsible for your actions, whether or not your brain chemistry obeys the laws of cause and effect.
Personally, i think that even if we don't have free will, we should still act like we do, because it feels like it, and because there's really no benefit in knowing that we don't
textbook illusionism, we don't technically have free will, but our actions are still unique and our own, we've no clue about what specifically caused them so might as well enjoy the ride
Suddenly my free will has melted through my brain.
Never stop uploading, even if you don’t make it big, the value your videos give to ppl like me has to be enough for it to be worth it.
I clicked this video because the poopie's voice creates sparkles in my neural network
I do not think therefore I do not am.
genuinely appreciate the thought provoking topics you decide to touch on, and the succinctness of your dialogue...
and yes dialogue, because though you're the only one speaking in your videos, I still feel as though you're talking directly to your viewers.
You give weight to words deserving and speak to the truth beyond the words themselves.
so thank you for your goofy lil videos - always a pleasure to see a new work of yours.
The thing about "free will" is that you'd never know the difference if you had it or not anyway. Whether or not fate is set in stone by, like, chance interactions between subatomic particles butterfly-effecting through eons, the fact that we only have one observable "timeline" no matter what we do makes it basically completely impossible to prove anything. What are you gonna do, pull up all the times I ordered food at that _exact moment_ and make a pie chart out of the results? It happened ONE TIME
Free will may not exist, but my brain chemistry and other factors have resulted in me making the "decision" not to care because at the end of the day, I can either "choose" to go insane over it or just ignore it and feel like I have free will, and apparently every event leading up to this point has led to the former over the latter "choice".
From all the other videos telling me that I have no free will (and I have seen several of them in the last few months) I decided to click on yours and watch it till the end.
I think that free will does exist. I also think that it doesn't. Not because I want to wax on poetically, but because I think that the terms are ill-defined. It's a language problem more than a philosophical/science problem. Before you try to figure out if you have it, you should have some definitions that'll lead you into being able to make a falsifiable experiment. If you don't have one, you can just make up your own to fit the narrative you want to make.
If the universe is deterministic, does that mean that we don't have free will? If so, then we KINDA do. While the world around us is locally deterministic, quantum mechanics aren't (as far as we know). This means there's an element of randomness to reality. If you just mean that you can't influence your decisions outside of your own brain, then of course you don't have free will. You don't get to choose what body, brain, and circumstances of your life, but how would you? How would you choose what brain you want to have when your brain is what makes you choose? What's the difference between making a choice and being forced into an action?
Ultimately, I feel that "free will" is discussed way too deontologically by people who generally share a more utilitarian set of morals. "Free will" isn't a useful term in ethics if you don't define what your 'will' is 'free' of, and only use them as black and white terms. If "free will" doesn't exist, are prisoners just as free as everyone else? What does 'will' mean if not the mechanics of your brain that allow you to have preferences?
I think the argument becomes more useful if we define "free will" as more of a 2-axis spectrum: something being 'free' to do something _independent_ of some variables, and the 'will' to have preferences and do logic. Prisoners are less free because they can't do what they want, and tornados have little will because they move indiscriminately. This is how fault works in court; I don't see why it can't work that way in philosophy.
1. Only very recently discovered your content, but I absolutely love it.
2. I don't think that determinism speaks against free will. Sure, the universe seems to follow the rules of causality and that includes the atoms in our brain, but the desitions I make are still made by those atoms. The universe is deterministic, but the collection of atoms that is us is part of those "determine-ings" (choices. (Choices) "determine-ings" we still made freely, in that case.
It also helps to remember that determinism does not mean predictable. Its actually impossible to predict with absolutely certainty that something is going to happen (With one caveat that is not really relevant though imo). The reason is that to predict something, you also need to factor in your prediction, and then factor in the prediction to your prediction, resulting in an endless loop.
Yeah no mind can hold all the infinitesimal causes which leads to an effect
It's incompatible. But it might just be that incompatibility which gives rise to free will.
I believe in karma and karma is incompatible with no free will and there's literally no other way to frame that so I agree
How does your channel not have a million subs already? This content is good
my choise during this video was to not pay attention to anything it said and just listen to the poopie show talk to me
you still put the axe kid in jail, not because they made bad decision and need a time out, but because they are dangerous and shouldn't be around other people. this is also why a rehabilitive judicial system is the only sane one...
Exactly. If they're evaluated to be a danger, you don't just let someone roam free, even if it wasn't their fault for being an axe kid. Blame doesn't preclude protection. But what it does absolve if we let it go is the vengeance idea and actually ask. "Why did they become an axe kid? - What can we do as a society to change and alter those factors, genetics, environment, social circle etc to prevent it from happening again?"
Axe kid is kept away humanely as possible for safety, not out of anger or "justice". There is no justice. A person who was subject to determinism killed/hurt another person also subject to the same thing. That sucks, that should be fixed, not retroactively punished. That doesn't stop future axe kids.
Dropping a comment before you blow up and get so many you'll have to stop reading them, you made a lot of really funny and cool videos on interesting topics. Thank you for the effort you put In them and putting a smile on people's faces .
First video I’ve watched from you, literally the most adorable voice I’ve ever heard.
This is my new favorite show. I will tune in to every episode, not because of free will, but because Poopie compels me with amazing content.
This is actually the only way that this theory has been explained that I can understand, and wow, it makes sense! I believe in this and yet it won’t effect the way I that I go about my life because it doesn’t matter whether I don’t control everything I do because I can still make the outcome the best one possible :]
I love how much work you put into your videos. Keep it up & you'll have a bright future on UA-cam ahead of you!
I clicked on this video cuz I remembered seeing your cute drawings and hearing your cute voice because of youtube autoplay throwing me onto an earlier video, and i wanted to see and hear the cuteness again. I was tempted to ignore it out of spite as I tend to do, but couldn't resist cuteness.
I view determinism that way:
Placement of atoms doesn't determine your choices.
Placement of atoms determines you. And you determine your choices
love it when little creatures explain thought provoking topics to me in their exotic dialect. definitely keeping you in mind from now and on
Way I see it is that there are outside factors that make you *want* to do something but ultimately you chooses whether or not you do it
I just clicked because. Unlike most of the garbage on here. I find your videos entertaining.
So you keep doing you. And I'll keep watching.
Neuroscientists recently confirmed that the "reality" we experience is MOSTLY in our own heads. Our brain simulates an approximation of reality based off its understanding of cause and effect, and checks in with its senses only when they report something different than the simulation.
This lets the brain operate without needing to constantly process a huge amount of sensory information. It's also why we sometimes "see" things that aren't there.
What you say sounds correct and makes logical sense but also feels so wrong.
Like part of me wants to say no but I can't refute what your saying.
So basically glitches
@@Sevofthesands It's funny how upset the our brains get at realizing that they/we are indeed brains. I think it's because it makes us think about mortality and questions the idea of "I" outright.
Idk how I found this channel, but there is no going back at this point. My job will get that report eventually, I have some binging to do....to keep up with the lore, of course!
Hi ppppie, i have been watching your videos for few days now. i can't get enough of. all the content you made even the years old one are still so good. thanks for the awesome content. :)
I think a person should know that free will may not exist, but act as though they do have free will. That is the key to feeling security. Somewhat like how the stoics focus on what is within our control. Each of us is gifted with an illusion of free will, and it's on us to use it to make our existence better.
every physical event has a cause. what separates something conscious from something unconscious is that it can be selective with what causes influence its future actions. if this was not true forgiveness would be impossible, poker would be a game without any thinking, what is there to consider if there is just one action to make? vs what you can see to best approximate the actions and the hands of the other players. never forget youre not just created, but you have the ability to create and transcend mere cause and effect
Wait since when is poopie not a god I THOUGHT POOPIE WAS A GOD THIS WHOLE TIME WHO LIED TO ME
I recently found your channel, your videos are so good lol
I already knew what this video was abt because we had it in school. Therefore this was not very interesting for me, but i watched it anyway to support my gurl! (The editing is also pretty well made so even if the content isn’t for you rn, the editing is always entertaining!)
Comment for the algorithm
A wise person once said in response to a theory
"Boltzmann Brain needs BBC"
The same applies to you
Four days ago, I listened to my final lecture in an introductory philosophy class. Free will was the topic in question. I'm now here because UA-cam inexplicably recommended me a video from a channel I had never heard of before.
My phone does seem to know more about me than I'd like to admit.
To say that causal factors don't ultimately cause behaviors evades any rationality behind me being in this comment section.
I will inevitability watch more of these in the future.
"I'm now here because UA-cam inexplicably recommended me a video from a channel I had never heard of before." don't you know that happens all the time?
I would've never known about how good the netherlands were if not for youtube just randomly throwing a not just bikes video at me despite me not having ever watched anything even close to city planning before except maybe LGIO which I discovered earlier
Let's game it out, I had watched gaming videos before but none compared to this one that I found in my home feed one day
insanity, humor and how did he manage to even get to the goal like that, all in one
Everyone has a goblin in their brain…
*it hungers*
And that’s the “concept” of “free will”
but that goblin is also just part of normal human biology, doesn't count.
Hence, the quotes I think
my lack of free will is currently too focused on halloumi to understand what's going on here... i love halloumi. i could eat an entire block in one meal and still be hungry. well, one of those little 250 gram supermarket blocks. is there a better place to get halloumi? the shrink wrap makes it fall apart when i cut into it. makes it harder to fry up. my lack of free will is telling me that i should get some halloumi, lettuce, spicy chili-filled havarti and a killer loaf of sourdough while i still have zucchini and avocado. unfortunately, capitalism. i don't have any money or a job. and without any money or job experience i can't get a job. i think i am getting screwed over, therefore i am. or something. no clue what the original quote is supposed to mean. doesn't resonate as deeply with me as an anecdote about cold halloumi.
anyway, i at first thought well that title is stupid of course free will exists. but, ignoring everything in the video because my brain is a cinder block and i didn't understand it, does free will exist? i mean, my will to get ingredients for a delicious halloumi sandwich is being quashed by capitalism. maybe i have a will, but it's definitely not a free one. it's not like i decided what my will actually is, either. that's the one part of the video i got because it's already something i understood. so i didn't decide it and i don't even get to act on it. definitely not free
I just stumbled across this channel and i love it
Just because we don't have Free Will doesn't mean we lack the ability to make choices. The choices we make reflect who we are as individuals - the thoughts we think, the values we uphold, the ideas we have. People who make poor choices were in a position to make a better decision and for various reasons they did not. Lack of technical Free Will doesn't pardon a person from taking responsibility for the actions they've taken.
I most certainly didn't try to do anything random. Just because I'm deterministic doesn't mean you know what I'm going to do!
determinism or not, free will is not a phenomena but a concept by which we judge each other and ourselves.
my new favourite youtube channel. a new super great narrator (who is it?). a great subject and video. well done guys
while I will agree that one can be led by outside factors to an either or choice decision , ultimately we make that choice on our own . Sometimes what is right is much harder to choose , but it's up to us to choose it . Claiming we have no free will is just a way to excuse unacceptable behavior .
The universe is not deterministic, it is probablistic, we've known this since the discovery of qauntum mechanics. This is why asserting lack of free will on the basis of determinism is dumb.
Janay-cs6gd I never asserted such, and also how do you know it doesn't?
@Janay-cs6gd It took you a week to respond and that is the best you could come up with?
Quantum mechanics don't apply on macro scale and we also don't even fully understand them.
Schrodinger's thought experiment was meant to show this. The idea that observation somehow causes reality to exist is a nonsense idea. The cat is alive or dead. Us knowing or not doesn't change that reality. Physics doesn't exist just because we're here to observe it.
The double slit experiment shown in that movie "what the bleep do we know" was already disproven in the reason for it's behavior. What was not thought about was the fact that for our eyeballs to observe, we need light and light particles would change the way something reacts when it's on scales that small.
This is the issue with digestible versions of complex physics to the general public. It gets taken by some hollywood film that totally doesn't understand what it's talking about.
That's to say, I don't know practically anything about quantum mechanics, but my lack of knowledge doesn't mean that it's just up for grabs either. It's highly unlikely that any physical law would break another, because then our world would be chaos. I'd highly recommend watching videos from experts to explain it and even then, looking up quite a few of them as one isn't a monolith in their own understanding. Science unfortunately rarely has anything wrapped up in neat little bows. Given that the universe is ultimately made up of quarks and atoms, all of which in great enough density form extremely complex processes, nothing is really simple.
The only one I know of that might be tangential to this is entropy. If entropy reverses (energy is attracted to itself instead of wanting to always disperse) which it has if I understand right, a very small infinitesimal chance of happening, then we'd get the big bang again, which may explain why all energy is never created nor destroyed. If the chances of entropy reversing are insanely small, but possible, then it's likely to have happened through sheer probability at some point. If time, which is just our measurement of entropy and change and likely not an actual force in itself, as explained in a Italian professor that's pretty easy to find on youtube, then it's itself infinite and we have no idea how old existence is, but only around how old our universe might be. If it is a probability game, then entropy going into reverse has probably happened many many times, so long as energy can't actually be created or destroyed.
Other than this, chaos theory too also doesn't break any known laws. It gets wacky, but it doesn't bend what we know as cause and effect. Chaos theory is all possibility, but not impossibilities. If something is impossible, nothing breaks that. The cat being alive and dead at the same time is impossible as it goes against all other known laws.
Entropy reversing might actually bend those laws, but it also wouldn't break them. Things would just be inverted because the core of things is energy in them.
I just wonder how this ‘inevitably' in all decision making jives with the Actual Experience - where Some things happen effortlessly and without input, while Others Only EVER happen after long and difficult struggles., even if only within ourselves.
That stuff about court cases is something I've thought about a lot. You can't expect someone to wanna go to prison just because they regret their actions. We want people incarcerated because we wanna be sure they learn something, because we want them to be separated from people they could mistreat, or because we're spiteful hypocrites. But what's their motive for wanting to go to prison if they've already learned their lesson?
Like if someone commits murder in a moment of unparalleled rage & immediately regrets it, what are they supposed to expect to gain from going to prison. It's not gonna teach 'em that their actions were wrong. They already know. And that's not even getting into the fact that most people have responsibilities to others. "Sorry, kids. I have to abandon you for the remainder of my life so I can show accountability by sitting in a little box & doing nothing."
No caring parent is gonna make that choice. They're gonna lie so they can take care of their kids. Or tell the truth if lying isn't an option but even then, they're gonna act whichever way they think will give them the best chance of taking care of their kids. The same goes for the kids themselves if they love their parents. Why would they wanna make their parents go the rest of their lives knowing their kid is in prison & eventually die without their kid while knowing their kid will eventually die alone in prison?
Our emotional gut reaction is taste of own medicine, which is why most cultures came up with punishment as an answer to undesired behavior and doesn't question where the undesired behavior actually comes from.
No one should ever be put into a situation where they experience blind rage and do something they massively regret. But we don't think about those types of things, we think everyone is dealt a hand of cards and they need to deal with whatever they were dealt and then we glorify the people who seem to do well in spite of a bad hand and say "it all works out in the end."
I say, kids die of starvation and treatable diseases because they're poor. Tell me where karma is or how one life vs another is "balanced" when someone suffers and another does not.
I think free-will and punishment make our world worse and do not at all help actually stop the problems all of us hate, fear and want gone.
Also, it's not nirvana fallacy either, perfection is the enemy of progress. Even if you can't control all the issues in society and cause and effect situations that can lead to regret, you should do as much as you can. Less people turning to crime and violence is always a good thing. Less situations and pressures that might otherwise encourage or demand abhorrent behavior should always be priority for society to foster. But we don't, because we just throw people in jail and think they're crazy, an asshole or a bad person and call it a day.
I can proudly tell that i come to terms with my lack of free quite a long time ago so i will now live the rest of my life not trying to go out of the ordinary unless my previous experiences shaped my brain in a way that i would do so.
free will doesnt exist, but putting yourself into situations where you may be inclined to make another choice other than the default is up to you. back when information was highly limited, you could argue that people jsut dont know. but now with the internet, anyone can know anything, its up to you to expand your knowledge so you can make better choices that are not up to you.
We used to have free will but it moved to a freemium model and now I can't afford the mental payment to get it back.
this feels like the work of cgp grey with the animating of soupemporium, i love it. keep going with the channel you will hit it big
For me it boils down to whether or not the concept of random exists or if we simply don't have enough information to decode the noise.
I like the single electron universe theory, so I'm ok with whichever.
i believe the universe guides you and you can choose to follow the directions or carve your own path. we are born in certain conditions and in places like china your career can be decided from birth, but even then, it is possible to achieve your own dream. its just difficult, because an individual path will be rocky, uphill and filled with obstacles, while the chosen path is smooth, straight and rewarded.
if you believe free will doesnt exist, if you achieved something, because it was predetermined, why would you be proud of it? no matter what you would do, it would still happen, therefore, it was not earned and has no meaning. while free will gives you the ability to improve yourself from your mistakes and to be proud of what you achieved.
i believe this is a much better approach to free will than both of the extremes. the one extreme of the weak mindset that says you have no volition, which absolves you from any fault and pride, and the other callous mindset saying everything is under your own control, which makes you fight things out of your control, like where you were born or who your parents were.
i also believe that the subconscious should not be separated from the conscious, as its still us. its just a side of us with honed instincts, which would explain why it would react faster to stimuli, but that also makes its choices less valuable, as they are raw and hurried
this whole video is a fever dream, love it
Sociology says that one person is unpredictable, two are not 🧐
Due to being social creatures and generally greater than the sum of our parts, this makes perfect sense. We act differently in isolation vs around others. The mind has other cues to function on.
I managed to avoid clicking on this video when it popped up in my recommendation for 2 days straight but alas finally clicked in the 3rd day it was recommended to me
did u like it tho
I don’t know if just clicking on this counts, but there is an Ad right now that I paused and I just wanted to say that I’m leaving it here, see you.
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Enough free will, when does paid will launch?
I think, according to this video's logic, free will is comparable to a die. It's technically random, but if you were able to replicate the outside environment perfectly, then the result will always be the same.
So that unconcious brain activity study is commonly misunderstood the way you did. Yes the build up happens but it happens when you think about pressing the button there is a period between build up and pressing where the person can chose not to. Our current theory is that it's you brain prepping the signals to get your body to do the acting. Think of it like how you computer for performance will sometimes run the instructions in an if statement before the conditional has evaluated as it's faster to risk unnecessary computation than do commands sequentially.
“Most depressed philosopher” *flashes a pic of Sam Harris* lol take my sub, and please keep up the good work
Poopie my dear, where have you been all my life? I stumbled across your channel about an hour ago, and I've been watching your videos nonstop. Great work, I'm looking forward to your future content
Your honour, my client was obligated to rickroll the victim
you've singlehandedly improved my perception of brits, congratulations from the ex colony is craazy
We are responsible for our choices not because we had any other, but because those choices reveal who we are.
The algorithm didn't bring me to poopie. looking up saluki videos on the internet brought me to poopie.
I still do that too bc my gambit hasn't payed off yet. 2 years no dog. It's painful.
UA-cam has recommended me this video three times before I got hooked
Holy cow, it's so refreshing to see that I'm not the only one who came up with this theory!
Like, hey, I'm not the only crazy physics enthusiast in this world! Nice!
An interesting counter to Libet's hypothesis is that the human body could be an anticipatory processing system rather than a purely reactive system.
But it's still so fascinating.
thank you, angry monkey show, that is interesting!
but what about a lot of decisions like choosing high school sport video game to buy?
ive been thinking about free will all day and now this comes out? maybe the universe is telling me something. probably not, but maybe!
I think this is actually known as the frequency illusion. another beautiful thing some nard had to debunk and ruin for the rest of us smh
@@thepoopieshow nards always ruin all the fun :( i guess you could call them party poopies
One flaw of that brain research is that the person still made the conscious decision to move. That the motor area of the brain activiated first is irrelevant.
Definitely clicked on this video because I've spent the past weekend binge watching most of your videos. Or maybe thats just what I think, not what I am
DAY 1: The algorithm has blessed me with yet another video from the poopie show.
But wait- This title....This simple yet provocative statement awakens something within me.
I quickly hit pause before the video can play and see a long road before me. The trial of endurance has begun....
Well in an abstract sense, legal systems assume that actions taken on its part can influence the actions of the offender and potential offenders in the future.
So it doesn’t necessarily need free will to exist. It too is a machine that has an input and an output. In this case, the output is input for other humans so they generate the desired output.
But how you define the desired output is a different story
No thoughts
Head empty
Therefore
I am not
Well thats right our environment does influence our decision and character as well as our free will
My opinion on that one button experiment is that it only proves their is some subconscious impulse that happens during the decision making process. But it doesn't prove that we can't override subconscious impulses. Especially in decisions that matter more than hitting a button.
And secondly I don't believe determinism and free will are mutually exclusive. One reason is that even in the strictly material sense where we our our brain and nothing more. Our brain making a choice through whatever process is us making the choice. And secondly even if we always would have made the same choice due to cause and effect pushing us in a certain direction ultimately at the moment of desicion we choose that choice barring certain mental issues. Even if due to our own personal disposition and circumstances we would always choose that choice
Man, next time i see a kabab spinning at a restaurant. I'll feel less guilty about trying to eat it like a corn dog and getting banned from another restaurant, because now i'll know, that it was all my destiny 💪
This is really well done, better than i could ever explain it
The issue with subscribing to a deterministic viewpoint is mainly that no one can ever be at fault for what they did (including moustache man from WWII or North koreas dictators) so you have no real reason to dislike them other than preference, and morally, you're no better than them in the first place because morality is pretty much useless.
Funnily enough it doesn't affect the legal system at all though, because you can still imprison people based on whether they break laws that the collective population believe should be in place, but it also leads to a "might makes right" situation, which to be fair is already happening in today's world in a more covert way with the higher ups spinning the narrative and obscuring details, paying off the media etc.
Humans aren't entirely logical beings. We're ruled by our emotions, which have kept us generally alive. It is important to feel anger and fear, but reactions of vengeance don't really help.
So yes, all the atrocities in history (and in the future) were/are committed by people who were products of their genetics, environment, time period etc. That doesn't mean we don't deter the actions and show that the tribe of humans aren't upset and hurt by the actions of others. We're all still subject to social structure. We care what the tribe thinks and we benefit from working as a species that is greater than the sum of it's parts. It is in our interest for survival in order to follow what the tribe collectively determines is good. Killing a bunch of people, usually considered bad among the majority.
What it does offer though is ask, why? Why did they do those things? Or better yet, what caused them to do them? Can we prevent it? Is deterrence via social response enough to stop it? Is it caused by something deeper? Are there people out there with propensity for the same due to genetics, childhood, chemical imbalance? How did the social systems of the time allow for someone who is damaged and malfunctioning in a way that harms others get into positions of power? What can we change or modify to stop in society to prevent it form reoccurring?
History shouldn't just be a lesson, it should be a deep dive into the mechanics at work that facilitated the outcome, good and bad.
I have something too, believing in not having free will will change for shure something in your life compared to believing, but as we know universe already knows* what to do
*it definitely doesn't have mind of it's own
5:42 or option 3) begin doing the Meatballs "it just doesn't matter" chant in your head until you feel better.
These are the things I think about when I'm smoking... Alone... In the cold and dark windy night...
Did I really choose to smoke this cigarette?
The answer is not really. Because I'm happily addicted.
I personally do not think a lot but so am I am? I also literally dont have an internal monologue, no voice in my head. I just do things sometimes and dont know why, like why did I grab this spoon? Was I planning on using it? Well what would I use a spoon for when I am just getting me some milk for my cookie?
Free will, destiny, who cares?
"Everything has it's wonders, even darkness and silence, and I learn whatever state I may find myself in, therein to be content." ~ Helen Keller
Learn to be satisfied with your choices, no matter how you made them, and you'll never need to worry if it was you or fate who chose.
getting philosophical myself: I believe free will does exist because, as was said, people are shaped by their environments. This is how we get personalities, if we were not shaped by these things we would all be blank slates; everyone choosing a default position of any given topic as they are incapable of being individuals, which could be argued to be as the true lack of free will as will is a result of personality, and if you are not making choices based off of that due to external factors around you (ex: friends pressuring you, prison, ext) then your free will has been temporarily, or permanently taken from you (the is why people are terrified of imprisonment)
If you don't think personality is real let's talk about animals: they are born with 'temperaments'. Humans, as being animals ourselves are also born with these. An outlook coming straight out of the womb is going to shape how you interact with, and therefore learn from the world around you. the argument that you are only shaped by the world around you and nothing else is disproved by this fact.
I dont think this line of reasoning holds up
Sorry to bust your bubble, but personality/temperament is more than likely determined, bud. You have it right out of the womb without a choice, then this thing that you didn't have a choice in is just another contributing factor to what you do.
@@kenthartig7065 That doesn't really make much sense though, considering temperment and personality can be warped by external factors.
@@Zombieflesheaters123 That's why they're determined. Because the individual does not control them. We're saying the same thing lol
@@kenthartig7065 nice 👍
Well argued. I actually found it pretty interesting and would like to hear more. I would even like to discuss it with you personally. One of my degrees is in philosophy and I think we could make some interesting points. That'll never happen though.
I will say that this poopie was unexpected. I'm grateful for it, and it's the only time I've been grateful for an unexpected poopy.
If you want to look further into it, it's called determinism. There's material about it all over the place
There is free will. If actions are dictated by the byproduct of your surroundings, why is it bad to do something “wrong” if it’s out of your control?
You’re bringing morals into a discussion about free will which doesn’t make sense. Living things simply do what makes sense to them in the moment do to chemical reactions. That’s the free will discussion. There is no such thing as free will. I’m responding to your comment because it makes sense for me to do so because I find value in more people understanding that there is no free will and what I value is not my choice.
@@povgames Bringing morals into the discussion does make sense. Your statement has implications that morals are essentially meaningless.
@@martinvera4720 my statement doesn’t imply that at all, I have morals, standards, and empathy which I didn’t choose of course and everyone’s are different. I’m not going to pretend that everyone chose every situation they’re in because it would make me feel better. I still believe people are responsible for their actions and should be punished or praised for them. I’m not saying there’s no such thing as choices at all, I don’t believe it’s someone’s choice to be racist or religious but it’s certainly a choice to say something racist. I often find myself having much more sympathy than most people because I understand most things and most decisions aren’t choices that exist in a vacuum. I didn’t really choose where I work, it happened to be close enough and paid what I needed and so I applied. I didn’t choose what town I lived in or country I was born in I just did what makes sense based on the current status of my life which is mostly not my choice.
@@povgames You’re conflating internal and external forces. You can say your options may be limited. You can say certain events affect you, but you’re responsible of the actions you take, because you’re still in control of the things you do due to free will.
I think it’s crazy to say there’s no free will. You definitely have a choice to do the right thing.
When I hear there is no free will, I thought of an atheistic point of view. Morals are derived from the self and can sometimes be gathered from others, but if all morals are derived from chemical reactions/processes, there is no moral standard. People are not responsible for owning slaves, they were just inclined to do so due to their bodily autonomy gearing them in that direction. Same for the Nazis. Killing people believing it was the morally right thing to do.
If you believe your morals or say chemically processed inclination is better than the Nazis, that doesn’t matter. They were derived from the same thing
The brief moment when that Mars Bar came on screen made me immediately want one lol
The voice and accent is cute…the knowledge is strong in this Jedi, the humour is gangster level in this human❤️❤️❤️