Why Can´t S-400 Shot Down HIMARS GMLRS Missiles?
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- Опубліковано 26 лип 2022
- Ukraine have with great succuess being able to use a few units of the HIMARS and MLRS system to great effect. Russia seems to struggle stopping these attacks with halts their forwards attacks. But Russia has an extensive air defence network, with system like BUK, Thor, Pnatzir and the S-300 and S-400. So why can´t Russia with one of their most advanced system being able to shot down GMLRS missiles?
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Plus the Ukranians are not firing just one missile at the time. They fire older Soviet made missiles along side the GMLRS in order to confuse Russian air defences. It's a nice tactic
And they fire multiple GMLRS too so its not only identification problems, its target saturation. If only one gets through to an ammo depot or a command center thats a LOT of damage on a valuable target.
Exactly that is what they are doing, mixing the missiles with the GMLRS
@@boblewin7099 I doubt it, they r doing so many himars strikes they would need a lot of those older rockets to use it each time lol, they probably ran out already. but airdefense hardly has 1 minute to respond/intercept 6gmlrs rockets fired? So why even shoot more lol, no airdefense is gonna stop it anyway...
Yes, and you were there and saw it.
@@raulio81 i usually spend the nights with your mother, but in the morning yeah I'm free, so i did see it
Next video. I would like to know, why the S-400 can't intercept AK47 bullets?
@isalmeda you We were not there to Fight and and kill the Taliban. We were there to kill Al-Qaeda we tried to help that afghans defend themselves they have Spines made of jellyfish goofball
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Exactly, stpd western logic of this video
hilarious, but... Ukraine did not use AK47's, but AK74 and Vulcan/Malyuk bullpups cal 5,45mm...
nice one 🤣
The S-400 is designed to take down long range high value targets like fighters, tankers, AWACS, ELINT aircraft, bombers etc. It is not a point defence weapon, that's the job of TOR-ME2 and Pansir S1 systems to destroy incoming PGMs.
Well they clearly fail too, and s400 was supposed to be able to neutralize all those threats, including missiles.
We've seen how good is russian missile defense at the example of moscow, we've also seen how good their armor is or how accurate their artillery is, like always russians are full of hot air, prone to overstate their effectiveness and hide their losses, so many dead soldiers never to have a proper burial, well suits them well for attacking a sovereign european country.
no they're not, I have never seen mlrs among their supposed targets, maybe they're able in some cases but it's not their primary target as well
@@bekeneel no it was not, its not designed to engage small MLRS rockets, just large targets at long range.
@@bekeneel Firing S-400 against MLRS rockets is an equivalent of shooting down birds with a tank cannon
I guess with all the T72 tank turrets flying in the air, it's hard for the S400 system to pick out the HIMARS rockets.
But Russia claims it can track 100 target at the same time 😉
Patriot air defence can't defend Saudis oil fields from Yemen rebels home made rockets.
@@leedex I could track 100 Russian targets with a set of binoculars. Set up a new washer-dryer set somewhere visible, grab some binos, climb a tree and wait. You'll have more than a hundred on your hands
Moron!
Thoes turrets are Russian UAV's
The main reason is, russia's systems are good only for youtube videos and civil airplanes.
Yes that is why US scared to send fighter jets to Ukraine. Because its good for youtube videos.
@@donquixote956 lololol yes as you said 🤣🤣
@@donquixote956 Nope the US isn't scared - our president is. But Congress is likely to over-rule him again and get us moving on the F-16's.
Best regards from Poseidon from the bottom of Atlantic ocean 👋
@@rodoljubradoicic2405 did you see Moskva ship in the bottom of the ocean??
I wanted to buy some s400-s... but now not so sure.
yeah am waiting till the s500 are a bit cheaper then will bulk buy a brace.
Russia is just proud of its nuclear weapons that alone makes Russia proud
Nowadays... that's all they got.😂
save your money
@@forcespy5813 C'est clair, mais est ce que elle aura les couilles de s'en servir ?
Good assessment - I’m an old “Bird Gunner” (that’s the nickname for Air Defence Artillery Gunner in the Canadian Army). Your observation on the highly dynamic Mid to High altitude battle space is bang on the money. For those who disparage the Russian Air Defence capabilities - all I can say is that the Ukrainians are damned lucky that the Russians don’t have the same standard of individual military professionalism and skill-at-arms of their NATO counterparts. Their weapons are superb - why do you think NATO has spent so much money on Stealth technology? During the Vietnam War, the Russians developed and tested some very important developments in Air Defence technology. Lucky for the Ukraine and the West, they seem to have lost all the institutional knowledge gained back then.
As for comparisons - the Russians came up with the ZSU-23-4 “Shilka”, a truly impressive SHORAD system. The German Gepard twin 35mm system and the American Chaparral were the Western answers to the Shilka. Don’t let the propaganda warp your perceptions - the Russians have some very formidable weapons. Do not forget the first rule of Warfare; “NEVER underestimate your enemy.” The Russians committed this error at the start of their invasion, and they have never recovered from that fatal mistake.
The video is pretty weird. Russians have been shooting down GMLRS missile with Pantsir and TOR systems. I guess because it was made by one of those Indian dudes whose ignorance is never in the way of opining on anything and everything.
They even recently captured an intact warhead with fuzes from a shot-down missile apparently, or so it seems from the pictures posted.
GMLRS isn't exactly easy to hit, it's 13 feet long (3.96 meters) and 9 inches wide (22.86 cm) traveling at Mach 2.5+ it's a small fast target. The S-400 was designed for targets multiple times bigger...
While it's not impossible, it is difficult... and Russia has an established history over hyping their weapon systems...
Thank you...They say this an that to try to scare people off.
true , they ' have' 6000 nukes.....lol no!
@@alexrusu6417 Putin may be stupid, but he’s not suicidal he won’t use nukes, if he does, he risks alienating the few allies Russia has, and with that further sanctions against Russia… so far countries in South East Asia haven’t really sanctioned Russia, but that could easily change if he decides to Chemical, Biological, or Nuclear weapons in Ukraine… along with that, he risks more countries supporting an UN mandated no fly zone and UN sanctions against Russia and Putin himself and risks war crime inditements against him, if that happens, the sanctions on Russia would likely remain in place until he’s dragged to The Hague in chains…
Russia has always made the claims about how these systems can stop everything in the sky . Yet It has been proven on the battlefield in Ukraine and Syria that the west can easily defeat these systems when they want to . Russia shouldn't make false claims
Well Works against Hypersonic missiles more precisely
What about the S- 500, supposed to shoot down, Alien spaceships in Andromeda galaxy?
No Putin said it can shoot down God.
@@HailAzathoth Yes Putrid is crazy.
@isalmeda you I don't believe in anyone other than Jesus.
But I am against a Ogre who invades a sovereign state, lay waste to civilian arear,just to stroke his ego, oh yeah and not to mention the oil and gas found in those places.
No Nazis there, just himself
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Lol
It's a question of technology
China...India...Russia...still 3rd World countries as far as technology is concerned
China landed a rover on planet Mars
@@shermanpeabody6102 Their very expensive space program is a joke
A few moment later .... Who is the 3rd World countries now after Empire Nato strike back fail ? xD
Welcome to the new real world, where Russian win war in real and Nato only can do that in movies.
Well, Himars showed its worth already multiple time. If the units all fall apart just now they can be considered a overwhelming success.
And just imagine Ukraine has 12Himars System only while Russian Army has hundreds of Long range Artillery
@@faithuduny6175 No matter how much artillery the Russians have, if their ammo keep blowing up before they reach the front, they might as well just turn those artillery into battering rams.
@@faithuduny6175 But big & important difference is the precision, himars & western artillery much more precise, efficient..
Russia is introducing Tornado-S MLRS into the war. Like HIMARS , Tornado-S is also satellite guided (GLONASS), but it has longer range than HIMARS.
@@shermanpeabody6102 It might be similar on paper, it won't have near the precision himars does. russia mainly depends on indifferent shelling or old gmlrs systems like grad.
Excellent analyse!Thanks for your channel!
Another reason is that the Ukrainians received the AGM-88 HARM, and they are operational. That's why they are extremely happy when the S-400s turn on their radars.
Yes, but the harm is airborn started. So for starting the missile the plane will be exposed to the s400.
seen a ton of photos of AGM-88 HARM laying on the ground after being shot down
@@CremeDeLaMeme. only the expended motor section I’ve not seen any showing the guidance and warhead section yet. Although there will have been a few duds.
@@thomashubert2977 the harm missiles have a 160 km range and can be fired when the jet is flying low out of the range
@@apollo-eu4fk but to hit the target the Harm has come inside range and becomes itself a target. Anti radiation missiles like shrike and harm are known since 50 jears. I'm sure the russians considered the problem.
Or... The first Patriot Systems had also a real problem to kill incoming Scud Rockets. The Fuse was too slow, so the Patriot Missile exploded right behind the Scud. With the PAC-3 Upgrade in the Patriot there is a Rocket which did'nt explode in the near of the Thread but fly through the Target.
Yes we've seen that in z Ukraine, the Pac3 missiles that are launched at at the Kinzhal missiles fly through the Kinzhal and explode, leaving a big oil in the center of the Kinzhal
What about buk m2, or buk m3 , puntsir , tor m can shot this (grad )system
very good analysis!
The BUK is pretty good at shooting down Commercial Airline Planes. Maybe that's what it was designed for?
Does anyone know how long those rocket motors burn? For really long shots I'm guessing they use it all up getting to altitude so that they can then glide-bomb their way to the more distant GPS targets, adjusting their journey using those in-flight fins that pop out.
It's depending on the missle .The Himars has a variety of different missles it can deploy.From 6 to 2 depending on the missle type.Look at the Himars as a short rang ballistic missle..even though it's not.During launch the missle needs a lot of fuel to reach its intended hight.From there the missle is in an arc ..as if you were to fire a bow and arrow into the air once it reaches its maximum hight depending on the distance the missle will burn up it's fair share and depending on the distance the missle is able to compensate.The burn rate is classified information but if you see how ICBM's work this is very similar.The fins are able to guide the missle.The "Maximum" range is only to make sure that considering all it's variables it's able to reach its target.But like I said the burn rate is classified information because I it were public then Russia would be able to keep it's most valuable assets out of its range.They are very hard to detect and that why they are hard to shoot down.Russia does not want to waste and expensive AA missle on a cheap rocket.Once they are able to detect the missle with confidence then we will see more of them shot down.
@@Spyderz-xo9rz Detect the missile with confidence? Lol, either your radar detects it, or it doesn't.. But that isn't the issue, it's just that they fly very fast & are only like 1-2mins in the air so a system like S400 would already lack the time to respond to it. Russia doesn't really have any airdefense that is made to shoot those down, something like the US Cram, except maybe on their sunken flagship Moskva 😂😂
@@bekeneel There is a guy who did a video on this and he has a computer program that is the same as a Russian radar system.And they detect them but like I said it's being able to differentiate between a HIMARS and a cheaper one.Russia air defense system is actually pretty good but the problem is the cost per missle.If they shoot down a cheap rocket it's not worth it.They know it's a himars once it's to late.
It's sure is causing headaches for the Russian military that's for sure.
@@bekeneel BUK M3 was designed to counter the ATACMS.
@@shooter7a ATACMS block 1 is fired from a modified M270 AVMRL which exchanges 12 missles for 2 of these and can also be fired from the HIMARS system but only 1.
BUK is able to detect all these missle.And was designed to counter these types of missles.What I tried to explain to him was Russia is able to see them but simply is unable to know which type of missles that was fired.
Russia has a solid AD system between the Buk , S300,S400 and the newer S500 which they say is able to detect and shoot down super sonic glide vehicles..
The HIMARS and the Ukrainian GRAD look the same on radar and if you were in Air defense would you wanna shoot down a cheap rocket with an expensive AD that's the problem Russia has.
Then the question that needs to asked is why are the smaller, nimbler systems still having trouble intercepting these missiles. When these missiles are hitting a target, I listen for multiples of six detonations and only once, a couple days ago, I heard five. Either the recording started after the first impact or the BUK and TOR missiles fired at them had what was likely a lucky shot.
One issue they might have is the small warheads in their smaller missiles, maybe their fuzing. They might get detonations in front of these rockets but it’s likely most of them aren’t getting hit by frag and escape undamaged. They should be getting decent returns from them so tracking wouldn’t be the issue.
Where is the invincible tank Armata
Just by going on the number S300 and S400 can’t keep taking out HIMARS (if they could) because they are a million a piece and HIMARS is 80,000
Not good math for Russia
Yeath, it's best to let missile go forward to destroy millions of ammunition depot and killed soldiers. If it's that russia is not good in Math also.
Rip Ukraine and the West, we will not miss you
@@oktogen1476 Aw Rip russian occupation of kherson ;) it's only getting better.
@@bekeneel where electricity?
@@CremeDeLaMeme. lol losing on the battlefield and attack civilian targets juts to show that they can achieve something
MLRS missiles have a better chance of getting shot down by flying t72/80/90 tank tourrets.
exellent info. Thanks
Nice job!
If that $160,000 HIMARS is heading towards your airport with lines of $50M jets, it makes very good sense to send a $2M missile after it.
no
The single word I have never heard from either side in this conflict is the necessary component which would overcome this issue for Russia.
AWACS.
Russia is attempting to perform this complex task at arms length, with the limits mentioned in this video, and as stated, they have a 40 second effective window in which to decide to spend a $500,000 intercept device which also takes 2 months to build, and deflect a missile which costs $180,000. The win for Russia is always a net loss.
10 GMLRSs fired at S9imferopol by the Ukrainians would cost the Russians %5bn a year if the success rate was 99%. Ukraine would spend just less than $1bn a year to fire the 3800 +/- missiles.
If they used AWACS in it's defense role Russia would add not only ID on the flight characteristics, but ID on the equipment on the ground. A true AWACS asset itself would not be at risk. Additionally, if AWACS are not stationed in Semferopol, then just where the hell are they?
In short, Russia is not equipped to fight this war they have decided on.
We are seeing a bit of that in their recent additions in manpower. Men in the full range of 17-55 are being recruited. These men are receiving about 10 days training. Such recruits have a military term to refer to them as.......'casualties'.
Wagner is advertising on billboards and recruiting in the Republics and former Republics among the 'regular' population, and then turning to the Russian prison system as well.
Apparently, Russia has a short path to citizenship for non citizens. War service.
Who in their right mind would want Russian citizenship right now?!
Putin isn’t as smart as he thinks he is. He has no real good AWACs, not in enough numbers to wage war. He figured the SU-27 and on series aircraft wouldn’t need them with their long range radars however everything Russia has been throwing at Ukraine short of the Kalibur cruise missiles have been garbage and their pilots have no ability to think outside the box and that’s why Ukrainian pilots are cleaning their clock. Putin is also trying to hold back some to protect Russia incase NATO or the U.S. attempt to steamroll right into Moscow. He has already screwed up and made this very easy for the US to pull off. One Division of our Army would be in Moscow in two days time max! He would use nukes to stop us though.
This is also the reason why the US lost in Afghanistan, they didn't use enough AWACS
@@QuotidianStupidity more people than you think, including thousands of Ukrainians
@@sepxviii731 The US lost in A-ghan because the local allies didn't want to fight for their freedom.
If they fire a volley of missiles of maybe 12 all launched at about the same time it is hard to hit all of them. They do not fly in a straight line at launch or descent.
This video is misleading. The S-400 has long range capabilities. It should have been Pansir S-1/S-2 against HIMARS GMLRS Missles. It takes a while for Russia to study HIMARS GMLRS signature missle movement to make adjustments. Russia has made significant progress on modifying their S-1/S-2 software to counter the HIMARS GMLRS missles.
Next video will be on "why can't S400 stop RPG"
well the pro russian crowd starting talking shit about small drone swarms getting past the patriots in saudi . now small drone swarms are getting past s 400 in crimea and the pro russian crowd is silent
Russian propaganda even claims S400 is capable to shot down santa claus, UFOs etc, and now you claim it was not designed for HIMARS? Same for low altitude airplanes. Its also not capable to shot them down, a useless system.
@@bayern1806 what an idiot. S-400 system priority is to shoot down high value missiles and jets and planes ...not some cheap smal rocket
The cost of the missile is not important to the decision to shoot. Whatever the incoming missile is aimed at is probably more expensive and also damaging to the entire military campaign.
That's not how it works in real life.
It's a waste ye, but russia will still try shoot at them if you see how much shit they destroy.. they even use those s300 missiles to hit land targets, while they're very expensive, but in lack of better rockets...
Totalmente de acuerdo, muchos usan esto como pretexto para justificar las ineficacias de equipamentos. Incluso un cohete no guiado puede destruir un S-400 u objetivos más valiosos, por lo que no tiene sentido arriesgarse a que esto pase por cuestiones meramente económicas.
It’s not a waste and the decision to shoot it down doesn’t come from a cost benefit analysis. If the enemy is destroying your ability to conduct warfare, the cost of that entails the whole offensive, not just missile x vs missile y.
The cost is actually very important. You don't want to run out of something expensive and hard to produce that protects against huge threats - like fighter jets, big ballistic or cruise missiles, by trying to shoot down small rockets that do little damage. It would be very stupid! Having to retreat a bit from some area is preferable to wasting some very important and hard to replace missiles - that can ruin your protection altogether.
Also is the relative cost himars missile is much cheaper than most s400, s300 missiles
Tor and Pansir do a good job for al Multiple rocket systems and Russian forces adapted to shooting Himars to with new algorithms loaded.
S-300 S-400 need software update unfortunately such version is not yet available at playstore😁😁😁
S-400 is more comparable to the patriot missile system. These defense systems are primarily intended to target aircraft with limited interception capabilities against ballistic missiles. S500 and THAAD are another story.
hahahahahha did you know patriot is tested and they shoot down so many missile in iraq war and more how about s400?? tested ?? bye moska
The Patriot compares with the later S-300 variants...the S-400 is superior across all specifications.
@@georgemavrides3434 really? s-400 compare to russian all air defence not american defence because russia failed air defence
In the other words, Russia needs the Iron Dome.
Iron dome is overhyped s**t, works only against rockets flying the balistic curve
HIMARS time of flight is very short you have to react quickly possibly shooting down your own air assets ?
Probably because it isn't designed to do so?
The theoretical capabilities of the s series air defence systems are taken VERY seriously by Western intelligence agencies, regardless of how much the Russians overhype their actual capabilities.
Given a long enough reaction time and placement the S-400 should be able to intercept M31 rockets, they don’t have that time and are too far away from the rockets trajectory more than likely.
@Yaseen Russia hasn't used s400 in Ukraine. So normal they havnt stopped any himars. S400 will be deployed as soon as there are NATO boots on Ukrainian ground. Then We'll see what an overhyped paper tiger NATO is.
@@Hamza-iq6gw Care to put your money where your mouth is? You could probably join Wagner Group and see for yourself what a paper tiger NATO is if it decides to actually go to Ukraine
@@Hamza-iq6gw yes they have there are S-400 units based in Crimea.
@@Hamza-iq6gw Oh HELL YES, we will!!!! From the US/NATO side, I CAN HARDLY WAIT. My god, have you idiots got a surprise coming. You can't handle friggin Ukraine, with a literal handful of LOW LEVEL NATO weapons and about 1/10th the number of Soviet crap weapons as 'mighty Russia', and you want to take on NATO??? You really need to be careful what you ask for. We would eject the Russian military at the same rate we did the Iraqi military.
The US alone spends 165X what Ukraine does on its military and about 11X what tissue paper kitty Russia does. You guys break me up. How can you even raise your heads, anymore, with Ukraine driving you out of THREE huge areas now? And they did that with no NATO jets, helis, cruise missiles, drones, tanks, other fighting vehicles, even SEMI long range missiles, fighting ships, and aircraft carriers, just to name a few? You do realize we have a drone that could attack Moscow from the mainland US, and return to friendly territory, all in one hop? And it carries several guided missiles, ones that work. Not Russia's CEP of 500 meters, but ONE FOOT. We actually have a version with blades on it, no warhead at all, for taking out individuals. Where are you located again? :-)
Are you too stupid to know what three Tomahawks would do to the three spans of the Kerch bridge? You haven't even seen a hard intercept target yet. If we get there, just wait. God, you people are something else, you took the wrong pill, dude.
I love how every time Ukraine embarrasses you morons you disappear for a while in the comments sections, and then gradually peek over the walls after a few months. You guys are world wide laughing stock, nothing else.
Thank you for an informative video. The producers of HIMARS will be licking their lips having gotten a huge amount of data from this conflict. Customers will be banging down the door, while armies will probably reconsider their purchases of the S300+ systems. It also looks bad if your SAM systems are being taken out by the missiles they're supposed to be knocking out of the sky.
The opposite is also true.
For example if russia is so good at intercepting drones, it's because they fought them in Syria for 7 years. They upgraded Pantsir and Tor systems.
That's why russia shot down all TB2 but ukraine cant do anything against Shahed
@@syc6598 Западные ПВО которые поставленны в Украине не могут даже сбить медленный беспилотник
@@syc6598 And that's why they shoot them down by the dozen?
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OSINT found some footage that appeared to show a Russian SAM system picking up a GMLRS for just a brief moment. They may have even less reaction time than 30 seconds.
This might be due to the threat of HARM making it hard to operate radars from good positions, because GMLRS fly lower than expected, or because Russian radars are less performant than advertised.
Definitely a combo, there's some OSINT to suggest that russian EW units have also inadvertently been jamming their own units. There's also the possibility that ukrainian jamming capabilities have been somewhat enhanced, those rivetjoints in the blacksea aren't just there for fun.
This video answers that question clearly and is to the point. Nice!
Russia's S-400 was designed to shoot down Alien Spacecrafts only.. 🤣🤣😂😂
@james Deer you get your facts straight.. according to Russia, the S-500 was design to shoot into space.. they claimed that it could reach the moon.. 😁😁..
@james Deer Dummy?.. coming from a re-tard like you.. I'll be OK with dummy..
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@@tgzny you clearly don't understand sarcasms, do you? .. but then you Russian bots are not that smart...
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S-400 is not for tactical ballistic misilles, but Buk, Tor, Pantsir are more than enough. The easiest way to shoot down ballistic misille is in final stage, approaching target. in last 20-30 kilometers. At that stege, she must be rock stable on trajectory to be precise on designated target.
Is it intercepting or chasing ? S-400 radar's at least can detect threat up to 600km.
Because they have the long range missiles loaded in the S400
What ive read, several addional issues can be the reason. But someone said the SAM radars simply need an software update. However, the catch is the required time to fix it, several months to half a year - almost an eternity in war times.
could be but also is it so smart shooting 0.5-2million dollar missile to hit 0.16million dollar missile? Ukraine seems to get many rockets so russia will deplete its s-300/400 missiles if they use these SAM system
"...SAM radars simply need an software update..." - s300 and s400 is programed to not intercept GMLRS Missiles (slow targets). Any SPAAG from 1970+ can obliterate slow slow missiles easy and cheap. HIMARS now is used as weapon of terror. SPAAG are short ranged ... civilians are taking the hits.
"...SAM radars simply need an software update..." - This was the problem with bayraktar drones. s300 or s400 had to be programed to recognize its radar signature.
Ye, this is a hopeless cause for russia, a software update wouldn't even solve much. Only realistic option for russia now would be too prevent missiles to enter, be supplied into Ukraine. Last aid package from US contains 550mil$ of ONLY artillery & himars rockets lol, good times ahead.
@@TheCborg that's good then
@@TheCborg I'm not in love with your analysis. What if the 0.16 million dollar missile hits an ammo dump with 100,000 rounds of munitions that just traveled 1,500 km to get into the theater....and on top of that, the 0.16 million dollar missile kills 10 soldier and injures another 20 more?
How about if the 0.16 million dollar rocket hits a railroad bridge and prevents your troops from getting food? Or maybe it hits an actual train and destroys 5 million pounds of resupply? Or what if that 0.16 missile hits a barracks with 200 soldiers in it?
My point is that every target has significant value and if you have an opportunity, you should shoot down ANY rocket or missile that you have a chance to.
The S-300/400 systems were NOT DESIGNED for this take. The Buk M3 was. It was specifically designed to stop ATACMS.
How lol, the Buk is a crappy old soviet system.. Short range, whil that Atacm is a long range missile haha.. None of russias system are actually made for this, u need something like iron dome or cram to specifically intercept.
@@bekeneel actually Buk 3m Has Shot Down few gmlrs but thats it. It Like Shooting one or Two missiles Out of six etc
@@piotrnogas8448 Yea that's possible, but it will indeed not have a determining effect to stop those strikes. Also each one of those airdefense systems is now a target, Ukraine also gets anti-radiation missiles too which are specifically made to take out radars/airdefense.
I think the biggest problem is you need to get it in close range to where the Himars rockets are cuz they will only be in the air for like a minute. S400 would almost need a minute to engage a target, but even if it launches on time, it might not reach the target on time ;) Cuz you'd need a system that is close by since these missiles travel at like 3000km/h.
@@bekeneel S-400 would not ever be used. They are not designed for intercepting this sort of target. The BUK M3 is, though. But you are correct about the time issue. Even with the Buk M3 system, you have about a ten second window to fire. From the time you detect incoming, you have 10 seconds to classify the target, make a decision, and act. This is literally impossible with centralized Russian command and control. This is probably the real reason they can not stop this. It is a human / command and control issue. The Buk M3 was designed to counter the US Army ATACMs.
I would release loads of balloons when the wind is blowing the right way just to annoy them.
S-400: Im most powerful missile, can lock stealth aircraft.
F/A-18: Laugh my bomb and missile go boom.
Because Russian claims (and Chinese claims for that matter) don't usually measure up when they are up against reality.
100% fact
Have S-400/300 been ever used to intercept HIMARS rockets?
I only heard about TOR-M1 intercepted several such rockets.
s3/400 isn't designed for it, other old shorter range systems like buk, pantsir & tor might have shot one down, but very rare too. Mainly cuz the missiles fly at mach 2.5 & are only like 1m30s in the air.
@@bekeneel Correct. BUK M3 is the system that would be used to counter GMLRS.
@@shooter7a Yes at least thats what russia says, but ye that don't mean shit.
That is a lie. Russian can not intercept them, thus the daily massive night attacks with 100% results.
@@dickusmaxximun8126 Where to look at results of fierce night attacks?
Please, something else than lonely Antonov bridge.
A lot of air defence experts in comment section..
Well people should be aware of saturation strikes and Costs of S400
Its simply harder to shoot down missiles or rockets going over mach 2. Thats traveling close to half a mile per second thats hauling ass. And the atacms or prsm missile goes over mach 3.
The s400 wasn't designed to intercept HIMARS. There are other systems for shorter range threats.
So what is designed to intercept HIMARS? And why they still can not do it?
@@bayern1806 I have absolutely no idea.
@@bayern1806 Don't believe Russia until they win...They are not expressing their best technologies but I also have no Idea why Russia is doing so
The software they have in the systems are not able to distinguish the threat correctly they really need a software update. Only if they had something like the Iron Dome
Iron dome has limitations because it is optimized to intercept unguided ballistic missiles like Katusysha and GRAD. It can't for instance even deal with cruise missiles. The interceptor of Iron Dome is based on the AIM-9L Sidewinder (to make is cheap) fitted with an active radar seeker limited to 30G maneuvering capability and I suggest ER GMLRS will simply dodge the interceptor. The Western missiles such as the British Sky Sabre (based on the ASRAAM missile but with an active MMW radar seeker), the German IRIS- T-SL and a new US system based on AIM-9X Mod 3 should be able to handle it because of their 60G maneuver capability and much higher speeds. The British Martlet might be able to handle it in an affordable way.
Lol software update to change what? The missiles aren't so hard to detect or know what it is, as they'll know the flight paths these have & the speed etc. The airdefense russia has just isn't made for those kind of threats, to intercept any RAM, rocket-artillery-mortars. Something like Iron dome does indeed, but even such system u would probably need a lot of them with such a big frontline. The biggest difficulty is the highspeed these travel, mach2.5 & so the very short time they will be in the air, they'll hardly have a minute to respond. They'd also need to waste 1mil$ of their anti-air missiles for 100k$ himars missiles which also more than 1 will be launched at once. So it's a lost cause for russia, unless they can destroy any of them or prevent new missiles to be supplied into Ukraine.
@@williamzk9083 okay I didn't understand a word you said thank you anyways LOL JK
@@bekeneel Radars signal processing and threat evaluation often filter out very slow targets as improbably slow or very fast targets as noise or jamming. The pulse dopler may make assumptions as well. Software improvements may improve BUK or S-400 but I doubt they will become effective. The US Patriot PAC-3 and Iron dome and Brtiish skysabre use "hit to kill' technology whereas S400 still uses proximity fuses. MMW active radar for instance.
@@williamzk9083 Yes a software update would change little, and even if it would, would take way too long until you can implement that in their systems, by that time there is no sam system of them left in ukraine 😂😂 they also getting specific anti-radiation missiles too
It's about economics. You don't fire huge, expensive S-400 rockets at small rocket artillery shells like HIMARS.
The cost comparison isn't between attacking and defending missiles but between defending missile and intended target of the attacker. If they're shooting at an ammo dump, your million dollar S-400 missile might save ten million dollars worth of equipment and explosives, and spare the lives of dozens of soldiers. That's a bargain every time.
why would anyone use the s400 to shoot down an artillery rocket?
himars is just that, an artillery rocket and not of a significant size - accuracy - range
shorter range weapons would be used for this role if any
countering artillery almost never depends on shooting down the projectile
it mostly depends on finding the launcher-howitzer and shooting it down
this is done using counter artillery radars or by using spoter drones to detect the himars while being launched
for example, an iskander missile can be ideal for such a job, if the launcher is found it can be easily blown up by a weapon that outranges them
this includes storage locations for weapons like the himars
other example is the bm-30, much cheaper than the iskander and it can outrange the himars in terms of range
the only reason russia might use the s400 is against ATACMS, which Ukraine ofc doesnt have and only one can be carried-launched by the himars and is much larger than the 6 rockets it replaces
the ATACMS are much much closer to the russian Iskander but they are ofc outranged by them (atacms are a far older system to be fair)
ATACMS also cost far far more than a typical himars rocket, having higher quality sensors, range and paylaod, easier, more dangerous and more cost effective to shoot down with the s400
to sum up, a missile system will only be used to shoot down rockets like the himars only if the rockets are going to hit a high priority target
this is the CRAM role, missiles like the iron dome or the land based phalanx system are made for this, not long range SAMs like the s400
The problem for russia is those short range air defenses like pantsir aren't working well for it either. And if you would use specific guns against this that work, like cram or ciws, you have to put them at like every valuable target :). So if S400 cannot defend itself against this, they are sitting ducks in ukraine and can simply be taken out. Becomes even harder to stop Himars since probably for each target around 4 missiles are used, so u would have to shoot them all down which is practically impossible, especially at that high speed & only 1minute they are in the air..
@@bekeneelWhat are you talking about
the s400 role is to shoot down enemy aircraft, using it against artillery rockets is stupid
First of all, the s400 has wide coverage and can be hidden from the enemy
The whole system can be out of reach of enemy artillery.
Second You dont need a CRAM or CIWS platform on every asset you need to protect, as I said above the main way to counter himars (or any artillery) is to fire back. The russian Iskanders are meant for this type of job but cheaper artillery can also work.
You only use some kind of CRAM in very high value assets, Russia basicaly doesnt even need to use CRAM.
Third, Himars is just a launcher, the effectiveness of the launcher highly depends on the rockets sent. Russia already operates systems exactly like the himars and in much bigger numbers. Russian launchers like the bm30 (I already mentioned) are able to actualy outrange the Himars.
Finally, Himars can be indeed used for surprise strikes but the damage will be very limited, the launcher will risk detection and destruction and ofc russia has the exact same capability. Launching rockets at the enemy is basicaly what Russia has mastered since the Cold War. Iskander is the best example of a artillery sniper. It can attack spoted targets very fast and in very very long ranges. If every Russian s400 system has an iskander launcher nearby (a few hundrents km away) then they dont have to worry for the himars getting in range.
They have tried everything yet they haven't been able to do shit
@@billwhoever2830 ...... You can try and make all the excuses you want but the Russians haven't done jack squat in six months. The US would have rolled up Ukraine in a month with just a few casualties.
ATACMS range of 300km was determined by an arms limitations treaty. Its replacement will have over 500km range. There will be one ATACMS on a HIMARS or 2 on an M270. The Precision Attack Missile will double this: still with a 500lb warhead.
Himars rocket cost: 80.000 dollar
S-400 rocket cost: 1 million dollar
Why should Russia waste money for simple artillery rockets ? 😂 S-400 are made for shoot down Fighter jets, Bombers, Helicopters ant not for artillery rockets that would be stupid for Russia to use it against Himars and as far I know Russia don’t even use S-400 in Ukraine war but they use Pantsir
Nice cope bro but they use a lot of systems in Ukraine like Tunguska, Buk, Tor, Pantsir, S-300 and S-400
Because himas don't fly that high enough need more meidum or short range. It's like trying to use s300 to shoot down grad rocket
I would imagine drones made of plastic must be hard to track ?
how is russia going to intercept 24 MIRV from trident 2 if it cant even hit GMLRS
Different things, Russian didn't have any experience with MLRS unlike the US, so we don't have any equivalent of Close In Weapon System or iron dome to defeat stuff like GMLRS and artillery, what we have is missiles specifically designed for taking down IRBMs and MIRVs.
@@sgeffysgeffy7436 you russian? yea russia doesn't have the systems to stop himars & it would take way too long to fix that, wasting expensive fragmentation warheads on it.. russia has many air defense units but most are old stuff that don't work properly.
@@sgeffysgeffy7436 how about pantsir s1?
@@alexanderpoplooukhin7448 pantsir s1 requires heavy software updates because during it's service in Syria it had a hard time tracking low speed or small targets or it would actually lock on birds flying around the air base.
@james Deer and has Russia won?
Great video, but I don't agree re your costs calculations. You have to bear in mind that the defender actually defends something, so the higher cost of the missile is justified. For example, if I'm defending an air base with billions of dollars in aircrafts, I wouldn't care if my defensive missiles are x5 the cost of the attacking missiles.
I don't think you fully understood the point being made... the HIMARS are hidden in a shroud of small missiles that would do no damage. So to release a $500k - $2m value rocket in that situation, against the wrong missile type, would be problematic.
@@QuotidianStupidity oh yea, that makes sense
@@GoBzi just highlights the stupidity of Russia’s centralised decision making, and lack of friend or foe recognition systems
Why don't the aircrafts take-off, that would be a better way to defend.
@@akajoshua2324 afaik the runway of an airport is the first target so that aircrafts can't take off
I love this dudes voice and accent.
They have shot down hundreds of Himars targeting civilian areas, mainly Donetsk city.
Interesting...I haven't given it much thought but this is a great question. So essentially the HIMARS travels fast enough over their relatively short course and thus makes it difficult for the S-400 to acquire and then engage. The dollar issue isn't really relevant because the moral and propaganda lost when HIMARS destroys a Russian target makes it worth the expenditure. I suspect there are other factors that include "human input"...but until this video I hadn't given it much thought.
I do not understand if himars is a game changer then why USA did not succeed in Syria. Bashar al Asad is still in power and USA failed to replace him
@@Lomachechen There are only 2 ways to realy long time succed in a war! Eighter kill everone that lives there,
ore station ENOUGH troops a long time to supress the resistance.
but say in afghanistan BOTH russa and usa discoverd that it cost a lot of lifes to try to occupy a country long time,
when the population dont want foreign troops there..
This is all western media propaganda
They kept shouting and Ukraine has lost its territories to russia and even those left have gone to stone age
@@Lomachechen nobody used them in Syria.
Stupid video and cringe comments section, so here I am to avenge rationality and facts:
S-400 isn't designed to stop MLRS rockets. End of the explanation.
so even if u could hit HIMARS rocket u fire grades in volly to shield it
No need to to, also u could see the difference on radar between grads & himars cuz the grads will be a little slower. However u still got very little time to intercept so that's why mostly himars succesfuly hits target.
@@bekeneel ok thanks
Himars are changing trajectory
I've seen videos of the S-400 intercepting himars, but the thing i also noticed in the video was it became instantly overwhelm'd and then a few hit so i think the weakness of the system is that it cant attack tons of things at once
@isalmeda you Not sure, maybe they detected the incoming and just shot at it anyway? i have no idea
If you look at photos of the defended targets the HIMARS GMLRS missile attacked you can usually counts 6 holes where the 6 missiles hit. I'd say almost all missiles get through.
@isalmeda you Lmao fuck me mate, but crap? yeah you can ask the ammo depots, bridges about that and I do really love the smell of copium in the morning.
@isalmeda you 'HIMARS are just crap that can be jammed'
Source: Trust me bro
@@welshe222 If an air defense system can't attack many things at once(especially if those many things are all coming from a single direction), then its a crap air defense system.
And that assumes the S400 is all its suppose to be. But we know they haven’t been successful against drones or even Soviet era fighters.
And then their other systems can’t hit HIMARS either
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You cannot fully defend a newly occupied area.. himars is fast missile its a artillery missile just like a artillery its hard to intercept the only way to stop is shoot it before it fires means you need a longer range missile to hit that luncher but its not easy if you dont know where it is
@@michaelagbayani4961 Stop that b.s dear. Russia have already intercept a number of HIMARS missiles. The Russian have bigger stick than the HIMARS. They can rain hypersonic stuff on UKraine. Hypersonic have no answers not HIMARS missiles.😭😭🙏🙏
@Сергей Макеев "haimars"
@Сергей Макеев You mean fragments of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 don't you.
Other than shoot down commercial airliners Russian antiaircraft is a joke.
The next video should be on how American Viagara is better than the Russian Vodka 😂....
Himars!🤘🔥
russians don’t use S-400 in war against Ukraine. They often use S-300, Buk, Pantsir-S1
Seems with no effect, but they do have for certain the s 400 systems around their air bases in crimea as well in belarus and southern russia, they bragged about it themselves and they were hit from ukraine none the less, that's the russian might for ya!;)
@@dannyboy_vtc8980 There's no effect on HIMARs. Russia still advance daily.
They need hundreds of 6 shots HIMARS to cover their eastern front.
@@sys3248 dude do not worry, try to learn what a lend lease act is, an act where the 5 year limit is waived off, and confirmed with the bypartisan majority.
So no matter how long will it take or who the president will be, the us will supply weapons aystems, money and materials to ukraine until the last russian soldier is either a fertiliser or out of ukraine, same like they provided it to the soviets against the germans, things will only accelerate in time as the industry revs up, there will be all sorts of weapons including ships and airplanes, no worries we won't let them dry by no means.
Until then you have to acknowledge they are using himars to target most important things and they are exceptionally good at it.
And even russian "friends" like turkey and serbia are supplying ukraine, for profits ofc, but yeah we pay for it and happy that serbian shells are killing russians, all good here;)
@@dannyboy_vtc8980 yeah instead of a missile attack, which was too far anyway-Ukraine went with partisan sabotage most likely…
@@kineahora8736 i did not say they used missiles for that attack, i said they put them to good purpose in general, missiles are expensive they need to be spent wisely, not like the russians do to attack civilian buildings.
Acording to russian legends, it can anything in multivers, across all space and time. Now and forever. It’s true, putin said so.
Romanian gipsy said so
It's a stupidly cost-ineffective thing to do, especially due to the low success rate against GLMRS and due to the limited amount of S-400 missiles. It also depends on what is targeted.
Russian missile technology is actually quite good. They just went into the war with depleted stockpiles due to the war in Syria, and a reliance on imported components that they can no longer easily get to make more.
NO!
THEY ARE HOLDING BACK IN PREP FOR WAR WITH NATO(US)!
And spending money on yachts and London real estate instead of the military.
Cope
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stupid comment. if ukraine wins = russia withdraws = next war in several years, cos russia wont stop while ukraine exists. if russia wins = ukraine collapse, eastern territories join to poland and hungary and no more wars in this region. so be smart, if u dont want the wars to continue = pray for russian army
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@@chalindapalithaliyanage5505 RUSSIA 🐗🐗🐗🐗
Писдец украине . Как бы ты тут не выебывался , но это факт .
Do does that mean smart strong ukraine no longer requires my fiends and loved ones to go and die in a country they've never been and would ever go to?
Turkiye quickly developed its own longrange airdefence system "Hisar U" because they saw Russia is far behind their domestic technologies.
It is the same question as why can't lada beat mercedes.
Considering that they shoot way behind the range of Grad and at night(when it's quiet), the excuse that it might be Grad doesn't really work.
It might not be made for it but they marketed it as if it can take HIMARS rockets down and sold this hardware with this promise.
The S400 specialist have spoken, ROFL
Artillery barrages go on at night.
Himars is destroying all russian rocket launchers in Ukraine wow this is insane 😱😱😱
Dude, fake news
@@andilamh2791 No it's true i seen it on the all news
@@gangsta-rap5124 dude you seen fake news
@@andilamh2791 dude fake news comes only from russia, serbia china,iran, north korea 😉
@@gangsta-rap5124 dude you've been watch fake news all your life. The biggest propaganda machine is run by the West. Its a fact.
but again even buks and thors, pantsirs and tunguskas are not built to intercept MLRS it's not their native target, their target is helis, planes, cruise missiles, I have neber seen MLRS among their supposed targets
the operator was busy calculating the ecomomics of using expensive missile causes its failure.
All the hype about S-400/S-500 are crap! Now we're being hyped about their Hypersonic missiles. Russia and China likes to boast about their capabilities but the US don't show all their cards right away to the enemy. 😁😛
Great true story-book title-"Cowboy Mafia ".,
If a early warning radar sees the incoming missile and sends the information to medium and short range systems maybe they could shot down the missile.
By hitting arms depots with supplies for the himars is one way to make them useless and tracking them over a period of time then striking with it is it can be done but with drone surveillance
Great, now try all that 52-300 miles behind enemy lines and while mobile.
Hopeless mission, the himars trucks drive away quickly, stored safely somewhere. Any drone going over the frontlines would be shot down too.
@@bekeneel they've been striking depots that himars have been hiding and destroying supply lines that house different types of ammunition including missiles for himar systems
HIMARS crews are followed by troops with MANPADS to destroy drones.
to resume, the Russian army is the Barnum circus but less well. lol
The question is not the cost of the misiles but the damage they would prevent.
Now they do
S400 designed to hit civilian jets like Boeing and airbus
Russia’s been known to over exaggerate their capabilities. In reality they are 40 years behind western military’s.
I think this applies to the CCP too.
So Ukraine loses
And usa lagging hypersonic missile race to Russian
Idiot
How can they be 40 years behind When Both Russia and China are ahead in Hypersonics.
@@andilamh2791 they really aren't . Those hypersonics are rather inaccurate and unreliable . Not to mention they can only be used against static targets
@@sababugs1125 Yes they are behind, its a fact. Both Russia and China have the new class of hypersonic weapons operational. The US has None .
Lol dude how stupid is your comment? You claim Hypersonics are inaccurate and reliable.... So why would all these goverments, waste millions in cash to produce these weapons that are inaccurate and unreliable? Lol dude you don't know what you're talking about, as no goverment or Military is going to waste funds to buy weapons that do not work. Its Obvious your uneducated opinion is inaccurate and unreliable.
hard to believe the amount of muntions experts posting here.
The Pantsir can, there are videos where the Himars fully unloads and a single pantsir intercepts them perfecttly 6/6 one shot one kill, after the Russians applied software upgrade
Ukraine has been firing decoys to force the Russian to waste huge amounts of money firing missiles from the S-300 and S-400s to hit basically empty shells. Then they fire the real missiles from a different position. Apparently, the Russian have caught onto it, but they don't know what is a decoy or what's real. So they are forced to engage and then once engaged, they struggle to engage again so quickly for the real Himar rockets following the decoys straight after.
I doubt they even the decoys with it. There's just too little time to intercept these gmlrs & they fire like 6 at once. On top of that most s3/400 in Ukraine is simply destroyed by himars already lol, as they used them for surface attacks too.
@@bekeneel you live in a fantasy. Try to dig for your facts and don't assume too much things then you won't sound as stupid as now. LOL
"Most of Russia's s300/s400 is destroyed by the HIMARS by now" ??? ROFL Not even pentagon is lying about this. LOL
@Slava Ukraine. ..The Russian's are not dumb to fall for decoys
@@andilamh2791 They don't even need to use decoys lol, russia has no system that can really intercept himars.
The decoy thing was Russian propaganda... They've hit S-400 at ~80km, there is no decoy for that.
Even Katyushas cannot be brought down easily... only Israelis tanks and infantry can do that...
For the same reason it would not be a good idea shooting a cockroach with a Glock?
They do, however its not always worth it economically
The US just admitted to have been sending anti radar misiles to Ukraine.
Are you Indian??
India is worried now cause they bought s-400 from Russia lol.