Should You Use Abandoned Software?
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- Neofetch is abandoned. Does it really matter?
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fastfetch works much faster. why do you need neofetch?
We want to use an unabandoned third party software that don't have Linux version.
Did you upload your video to gan jing world?
"Should you use abandoned software?" lol If you've ever worked in an enterprise IT department you know how cute and naive that question is. The question is generally, "What's the new plan for migrating off of X software/hardware/infrastructure that we've been using for the past 10 years unsupported now that ${employee} is leaving/retiring?"
Worked in a library with microfiche on Win2k. There was always a well meaning new hire trying to connect the Ethernet cord to it with us having to go full planet of the apes Caesar on them: NO!
Depends on the attack surface. Something like neofetch? Probably. Something like a web browser? Probably not. A Linux distro? Holy fuck absolutely the fuck not. Being unmantained means dependencies are going to break eventually.
I uninstall Neofetch for Fastfetch not because of security flaw but to prevent me doing it later otherwise.
what security flaw??? it’s a system fetch tool, there’s nothing that can be insecure
mr linux: should you abandoned?
music man: *sweats in soundfonts and 32-bit VST*
Let's put it this way: Using abandoned software generaly is not good idea but there are some rare examples where you can use if you want to even abandoned software. Neofetch is one of those. Neofetch poses no risk even if it isn't mainained anymore because neofetch only fetches data about system and shows it in terminal. Also neofetch isn't software, it is actualy bash script.
it's not really about the function, it's about the sentiment.
I still use Picasa
On my spare offline Windows 7 PC
No megacorp can touch me!
It highly depends on the software itself. In example I played on Yuzu emulator (the original) months after it was shut down. There are also tools where no alternative exist, so why not using it if its not a security risk? Even more true if you can compile it yourself.
But for a software like neofetch which requires updates to deliver all the information in an accurate way, well, I wouldn't use it if it was abandoned for long time.
I keep yuzu around mostly to preserve it, but I use ryujinx now
and I gotta say it's even better in most aspects. So the change was actually welcome, for me.
@@Skelterbane69 I also keep Yuzu. The best change for me to Ryujinx is, that the addons (updates and DLCs) are not installed onto the Nand. That means I can keep them close to the hard drive where the Roms are located as well.
Other than that, I can't say too much, because I was new to Yuzu when shortly after Nintendo started doing the strikes. I only played Breath of the Wild on it, mainly.
Neofetch is already starting to break in newer systems and hardware. It sometimes displays PopOs as Ubuntu and may sometimes not display correct hardware in very recent cpu. It's probably just a bug, but It's not going to be fixed
As long as Neofetch continues to work, I see no reason to really stop using it. I'll even manually install Neofetch if distros pull it from their repos. Its literally just a script that prints a compiled list of stats of your computer (the security risk seems almost nonexistent).
I bought a new laptop and i decided to put fastfetch as an alternative. But what really bugs me is that is not reporting the same amount of RAM that's being used. I used neofetch for years to compare distros. So now i have both 😂 and cpufetch too.
The audio is good and better than on many other homemade channels
Generally something like neofetch will continue to work for some time after it's abandoned, but I make it a habit not to use software like that, it just saves me the headache of switching quickly when something eventually breaks. And it's not an "if", it's a "when".
I am pretty happy with fastfetch.
Been using many abandoned software. Some people don't talk about the developer actually finish the project as there is nothing to do beyond the finish product. It's not abandoned it's a finish product. Will work forever.
This is the most ignorant claim I have seen in a long while.
@@leopard3131 Using unmaintained software can be risky, is a myth you know. If you're worry about it. Can used a container and the risk is gone. I'm using a media player no longer being maintained, I'm using a WM that isn't being maintained, I'm using a calculator that isn't being maintained. I can go on and on. I'm very old school, when it comes to Linux.
@@leopard3131 @leopard3131 Using unmaintained software can be risky, is a myth you know. If you're worry about it. Can used a container and the risk is gone. I'm using a media player no longer being maintained, I'm using a WM that isn't being maintained, I'm using a calculator that isn't being maintained. I can go on and on. I'm very old school, when it comes to Linux.
@@leopard3131Using unmaintained software can be risky, is a myth you know. If you're worry about it. Can used a container and the risk is gone. I'm using a media player no longer being maintained, I'm using a WM that isn't being maintained, I'm using a calculator that isn't being maintained. I can go on and on. I'm very old school, when it comes to Linux.
@@leopard3131Using unmaintained software can be risky, is a myth you know. If you're worry about it. Can used a container and the risk is gone. I'm using a media player no longer being maintained, I'm using a WM that isn't being maintained, I'm using a calculator that isn't being maintained. I can go on and on. I'm very old school, when it comes to Linux.
The Original maintainer did say someone else can pick up on it as a maintainer for it. Its open for business people, I can't develop myself, I'm more a PC hardware ideas and design, not a software maker.. What I would love to see is something that can make animation/video and with all system specs detailed and everything, could made into a video or animated GIF lol How to make that though, not my strong-point.
Someone somewhere will figure out a way to use it for an attack, so no, don't use abandoned software.
This kind of depends on the amount and range of data sourced from the internets the particular piece of sw gets exposed to.
As usually, well put in general. My answer is simply ... as was yours ... it depends on What software it is, is it critical for what you do, are there alternatives? Some software products are also just simply Done. Generally people are just so update-trigger-happy, that they don't see the wood for the trees ... no updates?, No new "Features"? Crikey, I must find something new ... What many forget is that security comes at a cost, a lack of new features. Every new line of code in a maintained product is a potential security risk, but people update willy nilly anyhow, just because newer is better, right, giving no second thought to What is being updated or if it has an impact on your use case. It's a double edged sward, that maintained and updated thingy. If you don't care and just update, you're every bit in the risk as you are with unmaintained products. End of "rant" :-D It depends, but you already knew that ... 😀
When do we get a studio tour?
Why do you want/need to studio tour? He has a desk, chair and PC just like everyone else.
@@tristen_grant Pretty sure it's a LTT reference
The studio tour would also include his golden retriever dog, Bengal cat and long haired hamster please!
Think about old desktops that are dead, people use them
People still use xorg, even though it's basically a vulnerability black hole right now, since nobody knows how it works, and it's getting so few latches
@@no_name4796 it'll remain used until Wayland actually becomes useful code
@@no_name4796 I'm running Linux Mint XFCE so its using xorg instead of wayland and its fine.
What's the difference between feature complete and abandoned?
Hahaha, I don't care because I wrote my own fetcher 4 years agp... 😁 Yes I do use neofetch from time to time and I agree with Matt's video. It Depends...
LLAP 🖖
Yes should move to
Hey just wanted to ask, whats up with your audio on this, theres a bunch of raw noise in it, almost like your recording from webcam mic instead of your usual setup... wait actually indont see your boom mic. Did you do this intentionally? I dont mind it but untill litterslly that moment i couldnt place it. Is the mic okay did somwthing happen? Curiousity is getting thr better of me.
Sounds like a noise gate.
Definitely doesn't sound like how an SM7B normally sounds so you may be onto something. We don't know his exact situation however.
Gonna use Neofetch until it no longer works... which could end up being years.
it will never break unless sysfs or bash itself changes, and those will never change
OpenBox
It's not abandoned, it's finished.
one of the biggest lies of modern software development is "everything needs maintaining forever". It's simply not true.
No, the biggest lie is that some piece of software is perfect and does not need maintenance.
I just got Fast Fetch, made it output like neofetch and then aliased it to neofetch.
This just more sparked my interest in other fetches, I use lots of abandoned software but fast fetch is pretty darn fast lol
We need a way to raise funds for these types of software. But most of the software should have a Basic version and a Premium paid version, this way the developers or others would keep it going... It really is not free, like most people think. It takes people hard work and time.
Abandonware on Linux is sad to see because alternatives can be limited.
This also depends on the dependencies, some update will drive the software unusable in the far future (unless you're using some old VM/container or Nix)
I'm fine with using abandoned software. Sometimes I fire up Claris Works just to relive my 90s tech school training memories. I don't use it often. I prefer Libre Office. But I like how fast Claris runs on a modern computer. And it does the job.
Regarding the security risk argument, a lot of people love to throw that around about anything old. 9 out of 10 times, it's just based on ignorance. If I play an old DOS game, it's not going to put me at any risk...
I mean, at some point neofetch should start to disfunction, not getting updated to new distros/release ? Or is it working in a smarter way ?
What’s a good alternative to Neofetch?
FastFetch
@@TheLinuxCast Great, thank you!
been using hyfetch for ages now cuz of all the funky pride flags :3
Having what graphics card and driver and disk space on the screen is useful.
I still use Winamp
It doesn't surprise me at all. it really whips the llama's ass!
I remember this program. Has audacity overtaken to it.
@@92redferrari Well I still have Audacity too, but that's for sound editing, rather than music playing
I still use the original Open Cubic Player. Works the same as day one when I tried it out.
"It really whips the llama's ass!"
worse is better
Yeah, I just swapped over to fastfetch ... the output is the same.
If the config for that was the same, I'd have switched long ago. But it isn't
@@TheLinuxCast Yeah, I rabbit holed on fastfetch's config. I have both configs in my repo. I don't mind feature complete software in maint. mode but abandonware ... bugs me a bit.
I used Figaro Password Manager until a libc update borked it. I still use a program called `deamon` instead of bash's `& disown` and I feel the differences are a big enough deal that I would compile it by hand if needed.
tell me about daemon please! I only recently learned about & disown, and it's so useful.
@@paultapping9510 Right, b4 bash had support you'd use `nohup` and that was just a hack. YT hates links, but search for "Daemon turns other processes into daemons." and you'll find the man page in several places. Most distros ship daemon under the name `daemon`.
some idiots will drop it from repos "because its not mantained" no matter that it just work and will work.
and if it aint on repo it dont exist for linux basically.