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Being myself born again in the early 70’s, I was very ignorant of church history and theology; you were actually accused of having a“religious spirit” if you wanted to study it. Now at 71 I’m craving it. Keep reforming ❤️
@@georgewagner7787 You were blessed! It proves what an influence a Pastor can have, amen? It was such a mixture back then with Catholic charismatics, all the new televangelists, hyper-faith. There was a general attitude of “poo-pooing” anything that happened before US!! Or at least treating it as Old Religion. Thanks for your comment! Blessings.
Another intelligent and interesting discussion introducing a new book well worth reading. This man is very measured and fair when tackling contentious subjects. Thank you Becket.
Thanks for having Dr. Ortlund on your show dearest brother! What a timely conversation to have, especially, with the current trend of many turning to to Catholicism. I am going to get his book to strengthen my arguments with my Catholic and Orthodox family and friends!
@@Yasoo3habibi perhaps watch Gavin's youthbe on the lack of worship in protestant denominations. Gavin seems intent on copying Catholic liturgy to address the emptiness of protestant service.
Protestantism has definitely gone off the rails with liberal theology, but the reasons for the protest are still valid. The Roman Church has not reformed. She's still the beast she's always been.
This is such an excellent interview! Becket, you are one of the best interviewers I have ever witnessed. Asking great, succinct questions, all while letting your guest answer and speak at length. I thoroughly enjoy your show!
That was really good. I will be getting his book! Same time last year, all this would have made no sense to me. I’m grateful for Dr Ortlund’s careful and deliberate teachings… on church history and encouragement to dive deep into it!
I spent several years researching Roman Catholicism in the hope of understanding it beyond the usual Protestant polemic. But it became clear that, although there are commendable aspects of Catholicism, the centrality of Christ and the Gospel has been obscured and/or displaced with lesser doctrines. And yet that turning from the Gospel isn't exclusive to Rome; it's exactly what has gone wrong with many Protestant denominations.
I'm still watching but I wanted to just say that I'm so grateful that the church I go to has communion every Sunday! By the time Sunday rolls around, this this lamb is hungry! I see the grape juice and the unleavened bread as literal, but spiritually - there is no doubt in my mind that it is real food, from the Passover Lamb, Yeshua. His body was broken for us, his blood was shed for us on the cross when he was on the Earth, and just as his disciples did not literally eat his body or drink his blood post-death, and just how he showed, with the wine and bread during the Last Supper how they were to remember his divine sacrifice, he is now in his in his original form, the only begotten Son of almighty God. So we are indeed able to partake of Him spiritually, and we are fed by Him.
I have mixed feelings both about Frances Chan and Gavin Ortlund, but always look forward to your episodes, Beckett and your salvation story gives me hope for loved ones who are “in the far country”.
@@bluebear107 catholics always say "whatch so-and-so who converted from protestant to catholic" I see it so many times on the comment section. How about "read the scripture and see why we're right" ? Can you say that?
Two in a row, I can back Ortlund on the papacy. The office as we know it today (or more accurately knew it in the 20th Century because it is changing again) is an early medieval invention.
This was a very thought provoking theological discussion for sure. 🤔 I see you’re not wearing your uniform 💁🏻♂️ today and I’m here for it! For the record I think you would look fabulous in a deep purple, maroon or emerald green color. I will be in shock if you ever wear one. Surely you have some colors in your closet from all of the Sundays you did brunch and Barney’s.
I like Gavin and am grateful for his defense of the Reformation. but I looked up Mercersburg Theology. The way he describes it is not the way it is described in Wikipedia. Good to know more about Church history. I had never heard of this movement.
Very good information. Love the subtitle about the importance of a continuous reforming the church. My book "Autopsy of a Dead Church". (CSI- Church Status Investigation) focuses on this.
A question for you Beckett . If you were still in a gay relationship, would you be where you are today with Christianity ? Because you had many relationships with men didn't you. Would you still be living as a gay man ?
The idea of an exclusive path to God is a feature of Christianity, not a bug as they say. So "heresy" however you may define that deviation from the norm is as much Protestant as it is Catholic or Orthodox, For instance Ortlund never discusses the terrible, terrible plans Martin Luther had to kill or enslave all the Jews of Europe (luckily he died soon after he drew them up). "On the Jews and Their Lies" was Luther's Nazi opus. He was actually used in Nazi propaganda, so well known was his hatred for Judaism.
Wasn't that at the end of his life? Kind of like when my mom started following people to stare at their hats. Her personality changed due to aging and possible a uti. It Wasn't dementia but some of the things she said were nutty
@@georgewagner7787 Even if that is true, a public proclamation by a man of his stature wasn't questioned. You don't have to believe me. You can find copies of his work in English by a search quite easily.
What do Luther's eccentricities have to do with the salvific claims of the Scriptures? Additionally, I'm not sure why you would object to the exclusivity of the biblical testimony. All truth claims are exclusive by definition. Why do we need more than one way to be made righteous before God? That seems sufficient to me.
Ortlund says there was a huge influx of people with a pagan background coming into the church in the 4th Century. That actually began with Paul, or doesn't he understand the meaning of "Apostle to the Gentiles"? In fact, nearly ALL of the early church fathers came from pagan backgrounds, and were usually well schooled in Greek philosophy. If you read for instance the Didache, you get a feel for how the mixture of Jewish followers of Jesus being invaded by the pagan followers of Paul are trying to sort things out between them. (which is also the basis of much of Acts)
"much about actual church history"...you're getting carried away brother....he is very well versed. Take a look at his channel. Be a little humble...he would issue further explanations if he was pushed on it....for example, just because he mentioned others with pagan backgrounds flooded the church, how does that make Paul's time a contradiction? He's simply explaining the obvious explosion of the church following Rome's conversion, which DID see many many more from pagan backgrounds join the fold....
@@angru_arches You don't get it, Christian theology as we know it today was quite literally written by people with pagan backgrounds. You could say in some sense that Paul himself was the only major Christian theologian who did NOT come from a pagan background, until the 3rd/4th Century or so.
I think the difference here is the slow trickle of people becoming believers when it was illegal and persecuted vs tolerated and legalized. The influx of believers increased upon legalization of practice.
@@keepclimbing2015 It's a misperception that Christianity was illegal The first time that happened was the Edict of Milan in 313 AD Before that there were individual persecutions in local areas, but Christianity itself was never illegal. The persecutions were usually based on refusal to do something required by Roman law, rather than being a Christian. For instance if a Roman soldier declared he would no longer fight because he was a Christian, he would be executed. Other times it might have been a refusal to pay taxes, or offer token obeisance to the emperor.
@@ji8044 "Christian theology as we know it today was quite literally written by people with pagan backgrounds." This is largely an assertion. But be that as it may, the explosion in followers following Rome's conversion VERSUS the natural organic slower moving revivals means the newly ex-pagans carry a lot of their practices and flavors of worship...influxes like that diminish the efficacy of slow-cooked inculcation that would be the norm in gradual growth. Mass immigration can be looked at as analogus to what I'm saying...large influxes of people are near impossible to assimilate compared to controlled and monitored movement of people. Then you see phenomena like enclaves of California with totally Spanish-speaking communities, where schools operate in Spanish, nobody speaks/fluent in English, and all public utilities are bilingual...this is because legal immigration has English proficiency as an absolute requirement. So for the church as well, it could be that many many ex-pagan believers brought their worship styles with them and those got inculcated into the Catholic church as a matter of ubiquity...i.e, icons, and small "i" idols....only with Christian figures....because these are not scriptural
Ah finally we reach a subject on which I can back Ortlund, the canon. For instance, Revelation, so beloved by evangelicals, was the last book added to the canon for a reason, it contains none of the teaching of Jesus Christ but is instead of a genre of apocalyptic literature very popular in the 2nd Century. (sorry Rapture fans, there is no basis whatsoever for what you think is in the Bible)
I would love to know your guest’s comments (and yours Beckett) on a book called The Great Controversy by author Ellen G White. She currently is the most translated female non-fiction author in the history of literature, as well as the most translated American non-fiction author overall. The book “The Great Controversy”, about the fall of Satan from Heaven and Man’s redemption, was written over 100 years ago and is rich with church history from the crucifixion to the return of Jesus for his ransomed redeemed and beyond. She travels through Constantine, the dark ages the Protestant reformation with Martin Luther, Huss Wycliff etc..including the Waldensians. I have found this book absolutely fascinating and the truth. I would love to hear from more people a critique in this book
@@annmariewalker2278 Ellen G. White is a false prophetess of the false SDA “church”. I have researched the SDA’s beliefs at length and they’re alarming to say the very least.
God reforming himself is a category error. In other words it's not ontologically possible. The biblical manuscripts are constantly being translated into other languages. Is that what you mean by changing?
I was hoping that he would have addressed the biggest objection to Protestantism, namely, that it is hopelessly fragmented and endlessly fragmenting. It effectively ignores the prayer of Jesus in John 17 that they may be one. I don't necessarily think a return to Rome is the answer, but it can certainly learn from Rome's commitment to unity, not to mention its liturgical genius.
When you say fragmented, do you mean they live out their faith differently? The essentials are largely agreed upon. In contrast, what good is the papacy or a teaching magisterium if they're apostate?
Most Christians misunderstand Paul's attitude toward marriage and sex, which is where Ortlund brought up 1 Corinthians 7. Paul, like Jesus before him, was an apocalypticist, who believed the end of the world was imminent. (that's one reason so little of the NT is devoted to family life and raising children) So for Paul, sex in any form was a temptation to sin and the most important thing was to be sinless as possible when Judgement Day comes next year or the year after that. So it's better not to have sex at all, but it's better to marry than to burn with desire, and it's better if you're married to do it often enough that neither of you are tempted to go sin with someone else. Sex is just a sideshow that Paul has to deal with, not the main event..
@@chrisgreen2299 No, quite the opposite in fact. For instance: "What I am saying, brothers, is that the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they had none; those who weep, as if they did not; those who are joyful, as if they were not; those who make a purchase, as if they had nothing; and those who use the things of this world, as if not dependent on them. For this world in its present form is passing away" 1 Corinthians 7:29-31 That is not opinion. It's a command.
@@ji8044 Corinthians 7:6 I say this as a concession, not as a command. 7 But I wish everyone were single, just as I am. Yet each person has a special gift from God, of one kind or another.
No, no, no, this is all wrong, the issues over filioque were not raised anywhere until 400- 500 years after the first councils in Constantinople. I had an elementary school teacher who used to yell "bad English hurts my ears! when kids failed to use proper grammar. As a historian of more than 45 years, I get that same feeling watching this interview.
Nope. Because the word translated as "church" in the New Testament is "ekklesia" and means "called-out ones" i.e it refers to PEOPLE, not an institution and certainly not an institution led by a man and begun in a city (Rome) still dominated by paganism. Read the book of Acts. It narrates the early days of the EKKLESIA. No popes, no adoration of "Mary", no transubstantiation mentioned. And there are 16 chapters in Paul's epistle to the Romans and *not once* does he mention Peter being in Rome. If Peter was bishop of Rome (i.e "pope", he certainly would have been mentioned!) Even in Acts, Peter is not mentioned as having gone to Rome.
I pray for Beckett to come home to the Catholic Church. It is so wonderful to be able to receive the body and blood of Jesus at Mass. Beckett, I hope you will consider asking Joshua T. Charles on your show. He was an Evangelical Protestant who saw that Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide are not in Scripture, so he read the writings of the Church Fathers and was shocked by how Catholic they were. He is not alone. My Bible teacher was also a Protestant who read the Church Fathers and knew he had to become Catholic, and many other Protestants have had similar experiences and conversions to the Catholic Church.
How can body and blood NOT be an analogy when Jesús was in the body when he said it? Never made sense to me. He is present of course but not in that way. Sacrificed once and for all.
@@indigos290You’re right, I missed the word “of”. But I don’t see how that’s an improvement in his message We’re all children of God, created in His image and likeness.
Gavin continues to PROTEST obviously he doesnt realise ALL humanity is fallen. The only perfection is Jesus, and Jesus started His Church on earth with the apostle Peter. Beginning & end of story. Calvin wants assurance that salvation is a sure thing, there is no assurance known because salvation is a CONSTANT journey until we face judgement. Yes protestant theology is egotisical.
It seems more egotistical to believe that my meritorious works would be effectual toward my salvation. The centrality of Christ in Protestant soteriology proclaims the opposite.
@mchristr don't you know the scripture which informs believers to pursue salvation with fear & trembling. Salvation is not passive. Faith needs to be active.
At that time Jesus exclaimed, 'I bless you, Father, Lord of heaven and of earth, for hiding these things from the learned and the clever and revealing them to little children (Matthew 11:25) Jesus built a Church on earth upon the Apostles. Jesus gave the Apostles the authority that binds the Church on earth and in heaven (Matthew 16:18-19) The Church maintained the unity of the Church through Peter and his successors' leadership to avoid heresy (John 21:17) Being a Protestant means you're breaking away from Jesus' Church and the authority given by Jesus to His Apostles and their successors
do you really think rome is recognizable to the early church? what about the other churches that claim to be the church Christ established? to bind a person's conscience to ahistorical claims about mary, icons + relics, etc. that cannot be found in the early church or Scripture but are required beliefs under threat of anathema is utterly absurd.
@@---bl2uj you really need to study the Early Church Father's letters to the members of the Early Church They were the successors of the Apostles. They passed on what they learned from the Apostles, since the Apostles were instructed by Christ to make disciples of all nations, and to teach His disciples to observe all that He had commanded the Apostles (Matthew 28:19-20) Through their sacrifice we are able to know Jesus and His teaching today
@@---bl2uj since you are not within the living Church, you cannot understand the teaching of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church In the Early Church Father's letters you will find what the Catholic Church practices and teaches today
@@clara.dewi_widya do you hold to Nicaea 2 being infallible? what did the early church fathers have to say about the use of images? or when was Mary's bodily assumption first recorded?
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I just got immersed baptized two weeks ago, at age 73, and my soul-peace is something I was missing all of my life!!
Congratulations, sister. Stay in the Word. God bless you!
God Bless
Being myself born again in the early 70’s, I was very ignorant of church history and theology; you were actually accused of having a“religious spirit” if you wanted to study it. Now at 71 I’m craving it. Keep reforming ❤️
That's weird. Same story but my dad had been a pastor with lots of books. I'm reading them now but we were never discouraged
@@georgewagner7787 You were blessed! It proves what an influence a Pastor can have, amen? It was such a mixture back then with Catholic charismatics, all the new televangelists, hyper-faith. There was a general attitude of “poo-pooing” anything that happened before US!! Or at least treating it as Old Religion. Thanks for your comment! Blessings.
These two men are moving the ball forward for Christianity. God Bless them both!
Another intelligent and interesting discussion introducing a new book well worth reading. This man is very measured and fair when tackling contentious subjects. Thank you Becket.
Thank you for another awesome video, Becket! Love to see Gavin Outland back on your show again.
Thanks for having Dr. Ortlund on your show dearest brother! What a timely conversation to have, especially, with the current trend of many turning to to Catholicism. I am going to get his book to strengthen my arguments with my Catholic and Orthodox family and friends!
@@Yasoo3habibi perhaps watch Gavin's youthbe on the lack of worship in protestant denominations. Gavin seems intent on copying Catholic liturgy to address the emptiness of protestant service.
Very happy surprise to see Ortlund at your channel again!
I've been really struggling with the various Christian branches and this is much needed
Protestantism has definitely gone off the rails with liberal theology, but the reasons for the protest are still valid. The Roman Church has not reformed. She's still the beast she's always been.
This is such an excellent interview! Becket, you are one of the best interviewers I have ever witnessed. Asking great, succinct questions, all while letting your guest answer and speak at length. I thoroughly enjoy your show!
throughly a great conversation....
Thanks Dr. ORTLAND. Great job Beckett!
That was really good. I will be getting his book! Same time last year, all this would have made no sense to me. I’m grateful for Dr Ortlund’s careful and deliberate teachings… on church history and encouragement to dive deep into it!
I'm subscribing to Dr. Ortland now!
Excellent.
Always enjoy your show.
Shows. Both are great.
Repent and believe the gospel. Everybody needs Jesus. Only Jesus can save and change lost sinners. Jesus wins and the devils lose be on Jesus's side.
I spent several years researching Roman Catholicism in the hope of understanding it beyond the usual Protestant polemic. But it became clear that, although there are commendable aspects of Catholicism, the centrality of Christ and the Gospel has been obscured and/or displaced with lesser doctrines. And yet that turning from the Gospel isn't exclusive to Rome; it's exactly what has gone wrong with many Protestant denominations.
Love your show
Such an encouraging episode!
God Bless
Love you Becket! Your show is great!
"What makes a true church is the bottom up reality of the Gospel celebrated in Word and Sacrament..." TRUTH!!
Very interesting and informative. Thank you both. 😊
My two fav people!!!!
Really good interview ❤
💗💗💗great thanks guys
I'm still watching but I wanted to just say that I'm so grateful that the church I go to has communion every Sunday! By the time Sunday rolls around, this this lamb is hungry! I see the grape juice and the unleavened bread as literal, but spiritually - there is no doubt in my mind that it is real food, from the Passover Lamb, Yeshua. His body was broken for us, his blood was shed for us on the cross when he was on the Earth, and just as his disciples did not literally eat his body or drink his blood post-death, and just how he showed, with the wine and bread during the Last Supper how they were to remember his divine sacrifice, he is now in his in his original form, the only begotten Son of almighty God. So we are indeed able to partake of Him spiritually, and we are fed by Him.
I have mixed feelings both about Frances Chan and Gavin Ortlund, but always look forward to your episodes, Beckett and your salvation story gives me hope for loved ones who are “in the far country”.
Thank you Gavin and Becket, very helpful. I really struggle with some of our Catholic friend’s beliefs.
Some are unbiblical, ie, praying to the saints and Mary. It’s so obviously wrong. Praying for people after they’ve died. Too late I’m afraid.
It’s the true Church. Watch Keith Nestor story, Protestant Pastor now Catholic. He has utube channel.
@@bluebear107 catholics always say "whatch so-and-so who converted from protestant to catholic" I see it so many times on the comment section. How about "read the scripture and see why we're right" ? Can you say that?
@@bonivermectin4087CATHOLIC CHURCH Founded by Jesus Christ 33AD. Protestant Church started 1571.
Ok but you need to read Here I Stand and learn why. Luther didn't set out to start something. Read it
Blessings this should be interesting ✝️
Two in a row, I can back Ortlund on the papacy. The office as we know it today (or more accurately knew it in the 20th Century because it is changing again) is an early medieval invention.
Looking for more church history books.
7:02 in French Roman Catholic churches, even today, only a little piece of cake (ostie) is given. Only the priest take the wine.
The same in Latin America where I grew up as a Catholic, you only get wafer and not the wine.
Hmm...Why?
This was a very thought provoking theological discussion for sure. 🤔
I see you’re not wearing your uniform 💁🏻♂️ today and I’m here for it! For the record I think you would look fabulous in a deep purple, maroon or emerald green color. I will be in shock if you ever wear one. Surely you have some colors in your closet from all of the Sundays you did brunch and Barney’s.
I like Gavin and am grateful for his defense of the Reformation. but I looked up Mercersburg Theology. The way he describes it is not the way it is described in Wikipedia. Good to know more about Church history. I had never heard of this movement.
Becket, do you know about William Federer? Maybe you have had him on your show. Mind blowing historian.
Very good information. Love the subtitle about the importance of a continuous reforming the church. My book "Autopsy of a Dead Church". (CSI- Church Status Investigation) focuses on this.
A question for you Beckett . If you were still in a gay relationship, would you be where you are today with Christianity ? Because you had many relationships with men didn't you. Would you still be living as a gay man ?
That church in the title needs some paint.
The idea of an exclusive path to God is a feature of Christianity, not a bug as they say. So "heresy" however you may define that deviation from the norm is as much Protestant as it is Catholic or Orthodox, For instance Ortlund never discusses the terrible, terrible plans Martin Luther had to kill or enslave all the Jews of Europe (luckily he died soon after he drew them up). "On the Jews and Their Lies" was Luther's Nazi opus. He was actually used in Nazi propaganda, so well known was his hatred for Judaism.
Wasn't that at the end of his life?
Kind of like when my mom started following people to stare at their hats.
Her personality changed due to aging and possible a uti. It Wasn't dementia but some of the things she said were nutty
@@georgewagner7787 Even if that is true, a public proclamation by a man of his stature wasn't questioned. You don't have to believe me. You can find copies of his work in English by a search quite easily.
It not about Martin Luther. It's about the sins of the Catholic church. They allowed false teachings to enter the church.
@@chrisgreen2299 So is the murder and enslavement of Jews then a TRUE teaching of the Church?
What do Luther's eccentricities have to do with the salvific claims of the Scriptures? Additionally, I'm not sure why you would object to the exclusivity of the biblical testimony. All truth claims are exclusive by definition. Why do we need more than one way to be made righteous before God? That seems sufficient to me.
Darn! I’m only the fourth comment. 😔 lol
John Calvin: “Sinners in the hands of an Angry God”??
That is a sermon title from Jonathan Edwards. What do you mean?
Ortlund says there was a huge influx of people with a pagan background coming into the church in the 4th Century. That actually began with Paul, or doesn't he understand the meaning of "Apostle to the Gentiles"? In fact, nearly ALL of the early church fathers came from pagan backgrounds, and were usually well schooled in Greek philosophy. If you read for instance the Didache, you get a feel for how the mixture of Jewish followers of Jesus being invaded by the pagan followers of Paul are trying to sort things out between them. (which is also the basis of much of Acts)
"much about actual church history"...you're getting carried away brother....he is very well versed. Take a look at his channel. Be a little humble...he would issue further explanations if he was pushed on it....for example, just because he mentioned others with pagan backgrounds flooded the church, how does that make Paul's time a contradiction? He's simply explaining the obvious explosion of the church following Rome's conversion, which DID see many many more from pagan backgrounds join the fold....
@@angru_arches You don't get it, Christian theology as we know it today was quite literally written by people with pagan backgrounds. You could say in some sense that Paul himself was the only major Christian theologian who did NOT come from a pagan background, until the 3rd/4th Century or so.
I think the difference here is the slow trickle of people becoming believers when it was illegal and persecuted vs tolerated and legalized. The influx of believers increased upon legalization of practice.
@@keepclimbing2015 It's a misperception that Christianity was illegal The first time that happened was the Edict of Milan in 313 AD Before that there were individual persecutions in local areas, but Christianity itself was never illegal. The persecutions were usually based on refusal to do something required by Roman law, rather than being a Christian. For instance if a Roman soldier declared he would no longer fight because he was a Christian, he would be executed. Other times it might have been a refusal to pay taxes, or offer token obeisance to the emperor.
@@ji8044 "Christian theology as we know it today was quite literally written by people with pagan backgrounds." This is largely an assertion.
But be that as it may, the explosion in followers following Rome's conversion VERSUS the natural organic slower moving revivals means the newly ex-pagans carry a lot of their practices and flavors of worship...influxes like that diminish the efficacy of slow-cooked inculcation that would be the norm in gradual growth.
Mass immigration can be looked at as analogus to what I'm saying...large influxes of people are near impossible to assimilate compared to controlled and monitored movement of people. Then you see phenomena like enclaves of California with totally Spanish-speaking communities, where schools operate in Spanish, nobody speaks/fluent in English, and all public utilities are bilingual...this is because legal immigration has English proficiency as an absolute requirement.
So for the church as well, it could be that many many ex-pagan believers brought their worship styles with them and those got inculcated into the Catholic church as a matter of ubiquity...i.e, icons, and small "i" idols....only with Christian figures....because these are not scriptural
Becket, Interview former Protestant pastor Keith Nestor. Get his views, get 2 sides . That’s what an interviewer does.
What Roman Catholics have Protestants on to share their views?
Ah finally we reach a subject on which I can back Ortlund, the canon. For instance, Revelation, so beloved by evangelicals, was the last book added to the canon for a reason, it contains none of the teaching of Jesus Christ but is instead of a genre of apocalyptic literature very popular in the 2nd Century. (sorry Rapture fans, there is no basis whatsoever for what you think is in the Bible)
Really? Wow
@@DebraFrieden-pn6ci Yes really, the Rapture is a 19th Century doctrine found almost exclusively in America today
Do you even call yourself a Christian?
Wow... I guess God gets it wrong sometimes and couldn't preserve his word exactly as he wanted.
@@bakskekoffie The Rapture is not a Christian doctrine. It's not found anywhere in the Bible.
I would love to know your guest’s comments (and yours Beckett) on a book called The Great Controversy by author Ellen G White. She currently is the most translated female non-fiction author in the history of literature, as well as the most translated American non-fiction author overall. The book “The Great Controversy”, about the fall of Satan from Heaven and Man’s redemption, was written over 100 years ago and is rich with church history from the crucifixion to the return of Jesus for his ransomed redeemed and beyond. She travels through Constantine, the dark ages the Protestant reformation with Martin Luther, Huss Wycliff etc..including the Waldensians. I have found this book absolutely fascinating and the truth. I would love to hear from more people a critique in this book
@@annmariewalker2278 Ellen G. White is a false prophetess of the false SDA “church”. I have researched the SDA’s beliefs at length and they’re alarming to say the very least.
So when are you having Megan Basham on?
He had her on not too long ago.
He did, 2 months ago...why?
@@bethanyfaber2012There was a controversy re Megan’s recent book, “Shepherds for Sale”, which mentioned Gavin, perhaps in an unflattering light.
@@nutricoach7947It did not feature Gavin. He was a tiny blip near the end of chapter 1. That’s it.
He already did. You can put your snark away now.
The Eucharist Is idolatry. I humbly recommend Dave Hunt’s ‘The Two Babylons’.
Yes!!! Or Alexander Hislops: The Two Babylons!
@@maryowen1722 Blasphemy!
@@HumanDignity10 His broken Body on Calvary is what I adore; not a wafer. It is a remembrance of His Sacrifice, not a continual rite of sacrifice.
God reforms Himself constantly and the Bible is every changing. So of course the Church should reform too. That makes sense.
God reforming himself is a category error. In other words it's not ontologically possible. The biblical manuscripts are constantly being translated into other languages. Is that what you mean by changing?
@@mchristr God is omnipotent. Nothing is not possible for God.
I was hoping that he would have addressed the biggest objection to Protestantism, namely, that it is hopelessly fragmented and endlessly fragmenting. It effectively ignores the prayer of Jesus in John 17 that they may be one. I don't necessarily think a return to Rome is the answer, but it can certainly learn from Rome's commitment to unity, not to mention its liturgical genius.
And how scared Holy Communion is as well as kneeling to pray.
He may not have addressed it here but he has addressed it in other videos on his channel. 😊
If you think the Roman Catholic Church isn't widely divided you're missing a lot of information.
When you say fragmented, do you mean they live out their faith differently? The essentials are largely agreed upon. In contrast, what good is the papacy or a teaching magisterium if they're apostate?
Most Christians misunderstand Paul's attitude toward marriage and sex, which is where Ortlund brought up 1 Corinthians 7. Paul, like Jesus before him, was an apocalypticist, who believed the end of the world was imminent. (that's one reason so little of the NT is devoted to family life and raising children) So for Paul, sex in any form was a temptation to sin and the most important thing was to be sinless as possible when Judgement Day comes next year or the year after that. So it's better not to have sex at all, but it's better to marry than to burn with desire, and it's better if you're married to do it often enough that neither of you are tempted to go sin with someone else. Sex is just a sideshow that Paul has to deal with, not the main event..
Your interpretation of Paul is so wrong...
@@chrisgreen2299 It's based on his own letters. Would you like to discuss the matter?
@@ji8044 Paul said that was his own opinion, it was not a command from God. The NT talks quite a bit about the role of the family. Have a blessed day.
@@chrisgreen2299 No, quite the opposite in fact. For instance:
"What I am saying, brothers, is that the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they had none; those who weep, as if they did not; those who are joyful, as if they were not; those who make a purchase, as if they had nothing; and those who use the things of this world, as if not dependent on them. For this world in its present form is passing away" 1 Corinthians 7:29-31
That is not opinion. It's a command.
@@ji8044 Corinthians 7:6
I say this as a concession, not as a command. 7 But I wish everyone were single, just as I am. Yet each person has a special gift from God, of one kind or another.
You should have asked him why someone who claims to believe in God's omniscience and Sovereignty "worries" about climate change.
No, no, no, this is all wrong, the issues over filioque were not raised anywhere until 400- 500 years after the first councils in Constantinople. I had an elementary school teacher who used to yell "bad English hurts my ears! when kids failed to use proper grammar. As a historian of more than 45 years, I get that same feeling watching this interview.
He said “I think” you could just kindly put a good reference up
@@joyf5539 Ok fair enough. He gets a pass on that one.
The Catholic Church is the true Church.
Nope. Because the word translated as "church" in the New Testament is "ekklesia" and means "called-out ones" i.e it refers to PEOPLE, not an institution and certainly not an institution led by a man and begun in a city (Rome) still dominated by paganism.
Read the book of Acts. It narrates the early days of the EKKLESIA.
No popes, no adoration of "Mary", no transubstantiation mentioned.
And there are 16 chapters in Paul's epistle to the Romans and *not once* does he mention Peter being in Rome.
If Peter was bishop of Rome (i.e "pope", he certainly would have been mentioned!)
Even in Acts, Peter is not mentioned as having gone to Rome.
Is it just coincidental that all the heretical "Christian" cults make the same claim?
@@jonioshea3355 Yep!
I pray for Beckett to come home to the Catholic Church. It is so wonderful to be able to receive the body and blood of Jesus at Mass. Beckett, I hope you will consider asking Joshua T. Charles on your show. He was an Evangelical Protestant who saw that Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide are not in Scripture, so he read the writings of the Church Fathers and was shocked by how Catholic they were. He is not alone. My Bible teacher was also a Protestant who read the Church Fathers and knew he had to become Catholic, and many other Protestants have had similar experiences and conversions to the Catholic Church.
Seek Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. The Pope is not of Christ.
@@chrisgreen2299 All Catholics know that the Pope is not Jesus. Please stop bearing false witness.
@@HumanDignity10if you actually read his comment you would see he didn't say what you think he said. Grace and peace 🙏🏿
How can body and blood NOT be an analogy when Jesús was in the body when he said it? Never made sense to me.
He is present of course but not in that way.
Sacrificed once and for all.
@@indigos290You’re right, I missed the word “of”. But I don’t see how that’s an improvement in his message We’re all children of God, created in His image and likeness.
Gavin continues to PROTEST obviously he doesnt realise ALL humanity is fallen. The only perfection is Jesus, and Jesus started His Church on earth with the apostle Peter. Beginning & end of story. Calvin wants assurance that salvation is a sure thing, there is no assurance known because salvation is a CONSTANT journey until we face judgement. Yes protestant theology is egotisical.
No, the head of the followers of Jesus after his death was his brother James according to both the Bible and secular sources.
It seems more egotistical to believe that my meritorious works would be effectual toward my salvation. The centrality of Christ in Protestant soteriology proclaims the opposite.
@mchristr don't you know the scripture which informs believers to pursue salvation with fear & trembling. Salvation is not passive. Faith needs to be active.
At that time Jesus exclaimed, 'I bless you, Father, Lord of heaven and of earth, for hiding these things from the learned and the clever and revealing them to little children (Matthew 11:25)
Jesus built a Church on earth upon the Apostles. Jesus gave the Apostles the authority that binds the Church on earth and in heaven (Matthew 16:18-19)
The Church maintained the unity of the Church through Peter and his successors' leadership to avoid heresy (John 21:17)
Being a Protestant means you're breaking away from Jesus' Church and the authority given by Jesus to His Apostles and their successors
But all accounts agree that the leadership of the Jesus movement passed to his brother James, not Peter.
do you really think rome is recognizable to the early church? what about the other churches that claim to be the church Christ established? to bind a person's conscience to ahistorical claims about mary, icons + relics, etc. that cannot be found in the early church or Scripture but are required beliefs under threat of anathema is utterly absurd.
@@---bl2uj you really need to study the Early Church Father's letters to the members of the Early Church
They were the successors of the Apostles. They passed on what they learned from the Apostles, since the Apostles were instructed by Christ to make disciples of all nations, and to teach His disciples to observe all that He had commanded the Apostles (Matthew 28:19-20)
Through their sacrifice we are able to know Jesus and His teaching today
@@---bl2uj since you are not within the living Church, you cannot understand the teaching of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church
In the Early Church Father's letters you will find what the Catholic Church practices and teaches today
@@clara.dewi_widya do you hold to Nicaea 2 being infallible? what did the early church fathers have to say about the use of images? or when was Mary's bodily assumption first recorded?