Did Billy Dee Williams Just Go FULL SLAVE?!
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If White Chicks is okay, then all of it is okay.
Wrong. White face has no historical context, it's no comparison to black face.
Yes.. All the crying about black face being wrong.. But White chicks was just left there all quitly...
I remember that 'spanish' woman who was part of the soldiers in Aliens, and when I found out decades later that was the same lady who played John Connor's adopted mother in T2 it blew my mind. Or when Eddie Murphy played an old chinese dude in Norbit, couldn't recognize him for most of the movie!
No it's not all okay. Because Whyte folks use black face to put us down and make fun of us
@@kingofsapi damn I didn't know that Eddie played the Chinese man too 😂
Both RDJ and Chappelle killed those roles
As a Black Man I love Tropic Thunder. RDJ role was the absolute best lol.
"That word have kept us down for years." I love how he delivered that line.
"What do you mean by "You people"?"
RDJ didn’t play a black man. He played a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude.
They probably took Billy Dee Williams out of context just like they did when that solo movie came out for Star Wars years ago. Remember when they asked him about gender fluidness and they made it seem like he was all for it, but he didn’t know what it meant. And then once he found out what gender fluid means, he retracted his statement and wasn’t for it.
When I was growing up being inclusive meant making fun of everybody equally
"What do you mean 'You people?'"
“400 years that word has kept us down”
@@UncleRuckus_96 "Now we're up in the big leagues, getting our turn at bat."
Black folks love RDJ in Tropic Thunder 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
We do?
I dont
Amazing that that’s all I’ve heard for years, even on this platform. But all of a sudden people have a problem with it but have been quiet for years…. Selective outrage and selective ability when it comes to certain issues 👍🏾
Some, not all dude
Sht was funny af to me 💀
Billy D is right
Mrs. Doubtfire ❤RIP Robin Williams
HE IS RIGHT 100% 🙏👍
In certain context, it's OK.
RDJ did it, not to mock Black people but to satirise method actors who would go too far into the character they played.
"I don't drop character 'til I've done the DVD commentary."
Fun fact: in Tropic Thunder DVD commentary, RDJ was still in character.
In other side, White Chicks was also OK because it's both about undercover agents & a satire about the "rich American girl" culture that was prominent in the mid 2000s, popularised by Lindsay Lohan, The Olsen Twins, & Paris Hilton.
RDJ in tropic thunder ' I'm The Dude, Playing A Dude, Disguised As Another Dude '
Billy Dee is truly an intelligent human being.
I have no problem with any of it. I just can’t stand the double standard.
If there is no malice, you genuinely do your best for the part, and you portraying another race makes sense in the movies context, then usually, I dont have a problem with it. Bonus points if we can all laugh together, and it's not laughter directed at demeaning the race you are portraying.
Well said. Tropic Thunder, White Chicks and Dave Chappelle had us all laughing. If it’s a serious role like a historical figure or based on a serious character, they need to be casted appropriately.
I agree @Tyrone Magnus, black face is a very specific thing. As others have said, there are clearly double standards going on, RDJ as black person is wrong, Dave Chapelle as white person isn't?!? Lets all adhere to the same standards and be equal.
Depends on the context... simple as that.
This is what i was looking for
I agree with Billy dee. It's acting.....lol
RDJ in Tropic Thunder, Wayans bros in White Chicks... Some people need to lighten up.
PC Principal laughs at your microtransgressions of insult😂
Just got done playing TFBW lmao
Eddie Murphy played a old Chinese man in Norbit and a old Jewish man in coming to America
I remember the Suadi Arbian comedians than impersonated Joe Biden and Kamala Harris... It was hilarious!
Tyrone you're 100% right about RDJ in Tropic Thunder vs Black Face, they're entirely different. One is a caricature and one is acting. Intent and execution matter.
I was gonna talk about Tropic Thunder and white chicks but everyone already did. There's a difference indeed.
Eddie Murphy SNL bus
Ryan Gosling for Black Panther!
Lol Bro 😅
Actually he could be white panther 😂
Sure but then he gets stopped by the police a lot
I just watched his appearance on Michael Rosenbaum's podcast. He briefly mentioned how he thought he should have been able to play any role, regardless of ethnicity. At least he's not a hypocrite about it.
if anycolorface is okay, then blackface is okay. all are allowed or none of it is. end of story.
General's fried chicken.... It's the bomb 😂😂, he went full slave in undercover brother.... Now his doing it in real life 😢😂
Context is key, RDJ was playing this crazy method actor in Trophic Thunder and it was hilarious.
When I first saw the trailer in theaters tropic thunder I thought that was Bill Cosby 😅
They are actors, wear the dang make up, props or whatever is required for the role.
I agree with Billy Dee Williams. Man respects the craft. Plus he's specifically talking about actors, not anybody else.
RDJ blasted us in the face with Iron Man and tropic Thunder in the same year.
Tropic Thunder is one of the greatest comedy films of my generation. Black faced the shit out of that film, and it was hilarious.
It was funny, and it wasn’t “black face”.
Btw Othello is a Shakespeare work so it’s a serious role.
Billy Dee became Based.
Context matters. As everyone points out, Tropic Thunder is a good example.
laurence olivier, pronounced [LORR] + [UHNS UH] + [LIV] + [EE] + [AY] was one of the greatest actors that ever lived. Also Al Jolson is one of the quintessential blackface performers. He wasn't really trying to make fun of black people either. Blackface of the type Al Jolson performed had become a performing style at the point that he was performing. Blackface though has its roots in slavery and the basis for it was pretty brutal.
Othello is shakespeare, it's a tragedy. I haven't seen that version he was talking about, maybe he was laughing at the mannerisms he adopted trying to portray a black man I guess.
Totally agree with your take 👍
Good for him. Don’t got very many actors speak common sense
Keep in mind Billy is 87 years old the last time I saw this man was at the last star wars celebration and it was clear that his age was showing I'm talking about his mental state the man was barely able to walk let alone answer questions. I wouldn't read to much into this he didn't anything by relax.
Idk if it’s been said but..”something’s gotta be in THE CHICKEN” Undercover Brother anyone??😂
And people forget RDJ wasn't playing a black guy he was playing a Australian guy that was so stupid he thought it was ok to where black face to play a black guy they were making fun out of people that use to do black face and it was very meta cus in turn he was playing a Australian
In the movie he even breaks the forth wall and says I'm one guy playing another guy that plays another guy 😂😂😂
Are we sure hes just not playing empire strikes back lando lol
As long as rdj had no bad Intent, and Billy dee is ok with rdj, then I have no problem with Billy Dee's words. I rather watch tropic thunder, than the mid-vels and madame mid.
He went full actor. When actors play Native American, I don't get upset.
In the case of Othello, Sir Lawrence Olivier did a lot of Shakespeare plays as part of his acting career on stage and Othello was just another role in the long line that he did. Sir Olivier wanted to play Othello because the character, Iago, had a habit of stealing the show and he(Olivier) was determined to make Othello the star, this is why a lot of his acting in the play is considered over the top. His make-up is not mocking, stage make-up is usually overdone to make it more visible and for the time it was done(1965) I think it looks pretty good. As for the old black and white films, it really depends on the context on whether or not it was meant as a mockery towards black people. For instance, Holiday Inn(1942), Bing Crosby's character has himself and his partner, played by Marjorie Reynolds, do a number in blackface to hide her identity from a former partner of Crosby's, and as the number is a tribute to Abraham Lincoln, Crosby is able to make the change look planned from the beginning rather than something he thought up quickly.
Is The Jerk with Steve Martin offensive?
Never go full slave.
I feel like it's already okay comedically depending on execution, but if you had, I don't know, Anthony Hopkins wanting to go Indian, that's obviously different. I don't actually care, but I get there's history and pain there.
Nothing wrong with it. An actor's job is quite literally to pretend to be someone or something you're not. It's like when Scarlett Johansson was getting hate because she was set to play a gay woman or transgender or something along those lines. She made the same point that it's literally what actors do.
Agree with you 100% with the 2 types. RDJ did not make fun. The old days it was making fun of. Not cool
Honestly i dont see a problem if it isnt intending to offend anyone. Older films and tv shows used to do this all the time because of a lack of casting options. Obviously this isnt a problem anymore but at the same time i dont see why it should matter.
He comes from a different generation and I've watched his movies since the 70s. Chappelle wasn't the first to do white face. First movie I saw with that was Watermelon Man and Murphy did it when he was on SNL.
What about white actors playing Egyptian characters in Egyptian based movies, is that acceptable?
Liz Taylor in "Cleopatra"? Yes.
The abomination that is "Gods of Egypt"? Naw.
Well I would personally want to have the most accurate looking people in it even if it's not meant to be historical so it's not world-ending but disappointing. Same thing with Heimdallr in Marvel who should have been white.
@@Realdrlipschitz Doesen't Cleopatra have greek ancestry?
Some dummies complained that Rami Malek was to white to play an Egyptian Pharaoh, not knowing the actor was actually Egyptian.
As a black man…I originally thought that was Orlando Jones.
He's just speaking sense
I feel like Williams memory is tinged with the time period... to him, it probably seemed like a compliment to have Laurence Olivier play serious-ish in Black Face. (Olivier was fucking HUGE back then.) I feel like the disconnect, as always, is generational.
Olivier was not doing “black face”. He was playing a black man from North Africa.
Well when it comes to actors playing superheroes, that are usually look up to by children as positive role models during their time as a child…some believe a gay actor shouldn’t become the face or portrayal of those heroes.
Usually when actors play gay roles they later make it to superhero films as the villains ; a like Ledger from the Dark Knight. So when Tom holland played a gay role it kind of angered straight Spider-Man fans. This is someone to be someone our sons would like to be..to look after the little guy.
I love everyone. We have enough talented individuals to play the role. I don't mind, as long as you don't tokenize it up. If you can pull it off without playing on troupes and stereotypes, go head. At the end of the day, I want a good story with even better acting. Lets stop picking at one another and appreciate one another.
Very well said. Too many haters trying to divide us.
I have zero problem with what Billy Dee says.
Angelina Jolie portrayed an Afro-Cuban in 'Might Heart' (and the woman she portrayed had no problem with it).
Emma Stone portrayed a half-Asian in 'Aloha,' and she got backlash even though Eurasians/Hapas have her complexion and phenotype.
I say go all out and make fun of absolutely everyone all in one movie. RDJ, Chapelle, the Wayans Brothers, etc... Make a movie we can all go see together and laugh at one another as well as ourselves. We were there at one point before everyone started getting offended at everything a few years back.
These days they attack actors who portray characters that dont match their ethnicities. Meaning a mexican actor cant learn portugues and play a brazilian character. They try to push them into a small creative hole.
Very soon they're gonna get mad if an actor is portraying a doctor if they're not really aa doctor. Or a mother of a child thats not really their child in real life. Its ridiculous, actors should be able to portray any character whether its out of respect or caricature.
The whole definition of actors are.... acting as someone else to entertain the audience.
There are great examples of actors completely changing their appearances. Mrs. Doubtfire, Big Momma's house, Nutty Professor, Penguin (Batman Returns), White Chicks, Tropic Thunder, Bicentennial Man, The Grinch, Series of unfortunate events.
Lando is the man baby
I'm Black and if a White Man plays a Black Guy in a Film doesn't bother me it's called Acting
Still to this day, one of the best black actors is RDJ! He was a dude playing a dude, disguised as another dude!
Laurence Olivier (o-live-e-ay) not (ah-live-er) was a non-comedic adaptation on Shakespeare's play.
While Olivier's makeup _was_ comedic (but not offensive), the film was satisfactory. I watched it for college.
I think when used for good natured humor or parody is fine.
Back in the day it was to mock people. Recently, it seems to mostly be used to sell certain jokes or make a point. Like in white chicks.
What about Soul Man? That was funny a movie.
Laurence.... O-live-ee-aye
Put Justin Trudeau in the same category as those old, mocking caricatures. In cinema, it is advertised, promoted and comes with a warning label. That justification is absolutely questionable, but we all have different morals.
I think if it makes sense for the character than it's ok but if it's done to mock black people then yeah it's black face
The Othello movie that he was talking about is a very dramatic role, though it does seem pretty odd to have that character stating the lines that he does in that narrative. But perhaps that is part of it?
I personally don't see anything wrong with an actor (actor/actress) portraying a role that they weren't born into. If they have to be born into the role, then it really isn't much acting, is it. As far as the derogatory black face, king of reverse clown, no, that's not that good. However, I think that could even be pulled off if you have a white person portraying the black face and a black person portraying white face in a skit together. In fact, having a white person portraying a black person in white face and a black person portraying a white person in black face could be really good in the right situation. But just doing it to make fun of an ethnicity is not
I loved his interview on Bill Maher's podcast. He is very sharp at 87 years old.
Pacino isn’t Cuban. Scarface is one of his greatest roles.
I now understand the speculation about Mr Popo😂
well Mr popo is not a black man, he is the personification of Buddhist/Hindu Dharmapala deity, Mahakala
Yeah a woman does the voice of Bart Simpson
I don't believe it's a wrong opinion. I just don't believe the man said it and this is the stuff certain people pay for in order to be vindicated and flip again calling people bigots for other stuff.
I agree with Billy
Then why was there backlash against Cooper for playing a Jewish man? He changed his nose and it was all of a sudden antisemitic.
He’s right. Actors can do whatever they want to do. He just forgot the second part where they have to deal with the consequences lol!
I like you reasoning, Tyrone.
Well yes he is right about that two different black face of the past them RDJ.
looking at the pictures over the over film it seem thing of the time at that time racism was about but all so the make-up and camera was not good.
Billy do bring up good ponts actter have job to do can not have lot to work with as well.
He's just showing who he really is ... some bm his age just have that mindset . The "don't rock the boat " mentality .
Yeah who cares, I loved white chicks, tropic thunder, learn to take a joke sometimes, it’s not that serious
Dont forget scrubs when turk (donald faison) pretended to be the most white guy ever in that cut away 😂
if u cant make fun of all of us then none simple its not racist its a fucking joke
Robert downing Jr did it best. People gotta stop being sensitive victims
didnt the dictator of canada do blackface?