Don't forget... when Asobo decided to make VR possible, the first headset they used was the G2. It is basically optimized for it. The others were an afterthought.
With the Pimax, the motion is much smoother when you set Render Quality 2 and SteamVR settings to 20 to 25% with no apparent loss of quality. I agree with you though that the G2 with OpenXR is straight off better than SteamVR. I also agree that the G2 is easy to pop on and off, it's lighter and easier more comfortable but that's still a work in progress for me to find the comfort options. Studioform out of stock with the P8KX weights so arranging something temporary for now. I'm not fussed about the audio in either as I prefer the external speakers with subwoofer. My daughter complains that I make too much noise. I point out that she's old enough to leave home.
This has been an excellent series of reviews and comparisons Steve and I appreciate all of time and work you put into this comparison! I have to say it's with a bit of relief that I'm glad to hear your choice is the Reverb G2 when it comes to msfs 2020 since that is what I recently purchased. I'm still working to smooth out the kinks in its settings. You said you liked the OpenXR but I've missed all the various adjustments in SteamVR settings but I'll figure it out eventually.
Thankyou Don it's been an interesting journey for sure! As always I really appreciate your comments and support on the channel. I may post an update setup video for the Reverb G2 soon. Take care!
@@VRFlightSimGuy Thanks Steve! Hey I'll go back through your setup video again! I get "off track" to easily lol it sucks getting old haha but it beats the alternative! Cheers my friend! Don't put more work on yourself if not necessary!
I am really torn between the two of them, I am using MSFS , DCS and IL2 but I also could wait for a better solution to come out. Is it better to wait for newer models to be release in some years ?
Thanks Mark it's been an interesting journey. I think the 8KX feels like a quality product. Put it this way, I'd hate to not have that amazing display in my life anymore. The fov and sweet spot is truly spectacular, but it does come at a premium price. Take care.
Interesting comment about AMD systems and CTD. I’m running a Ryzen 9 5900x , previously ran a Ryzen 1700x. In the early days of the sim I had regular CTD. But I’ve not experienced a CTD for a long time now. Are you sure it’s MSFS causing the problem? Reason I’m bringing this up is that my primary screen is an LG OLED C9. If I’m flying in VR, I turn the screen to a tv channel. The reason for this, if I turn the TV off, when it turns back on (HDMi re initialised) it crashes MSFS to the desktop. I reported this quite some time ago, unsure if it’s a HP or MSFS problem. As a work around I always do the above and have not had that issue since. Thank you for your look at the pimax, interesting to hear how the sweet spot is so much better than the G2, one of its initial let downs. It sounds promising, but I think the problem with VR headsets is that the resolution is getting to far ahead of the GPU. Unless you have the highest end GPU you are going to struggle to get decent results from a 4K headset, especially on a weaker machine, let alone looking at 8K. I’d rather VR manufacturers (Valve, HP, HTC, Oculus) sort the lenses out, with a sweet spot that covers the entire headset, with a realistic FOV, than chasing higher resolutions that out of the reach of most people. Worth pointing out, as GPU get better so will the 4K VR headsets as there not being maxed out yet.
Great video! I join your subscribers! I would like to ask you a newbie question: How do you make it so that when you capture the image of the glasses it does not show the typical black borders that you see when you use VR glasses? I use the G2 but I can't get rid of that effect! Thanks!!!
6 hours with the VIVE Pro 2, 1 CTD, fov resolution all very good, performance totally fine, speakers a bit less good then the G2, comfort, miles ahead of the G2 for my headshape - looking forward to your review!
Darn it it, now I gotta get both? 😬. Threadripper 2950x owner here .. no problems with G2 crashes ... I use the USB port on my RTX 2080 for the G2 serial port, not the motherboard one. I hope this helps your friend.
Massive thanks for the mention. I cracked the CTD nut so far on my AMD R9 5900X and X570 chipset system but it will one day work perfect. Solid good video and all your advice. Its you that made me buy my Hp Reverb G2 and I'll never give it up until Hp makes a Oled version of it :-)
Hi Sven , I've just ordered a reverb g2 , it's due to arrive early July , I'm upgrading from rift s , I run an AMD 5800x on a b550 board , I sure hope I don't experience the ctd like you have 🤞
@@johnusjohnson8972 just make sure you're running the absolute latest bios with AMD AGESA 1.2.0.2 that should fix the amd USB issue that is the root cause. I do but I still use AMD recommended workaround bios settings disabling Global Type C and set your pcie to Gen 3. Also I run my memory op normal and not on XMP speed. Once your G2 is set up with Ms mixed reality portal app and open XR with latest development updates with scale set to 70% and motion projection disabled. Just connect the G2 to a powerful powered USB 3.0 Gen 1 hub reboot the pc and hopefully Mixed reality portal does not start. Start MSFS2020 load route, switch to VR and fly till you want to stop. That's what finally works for me.
@@SparkySven I've updated my bios in preparation for my g2's arrival early July , I will try it before I alter any other bios settings , not keen on losing that much performance by turning off xmp , PCI express 4 I can live without since it made no noticeable difference when I enabled it
Thanks for the great, thoughtful, detailed comparison. I just couldn't pull the trigger on the Pimax. Having the 5K, and STILL cannot get it to stay connected to the base stations (i pulled it out last week just out of curiosity and tried it out all over again), I just did not want to get burned again by their system. I LOVE my G2, and while I DO really want a larger field of view and LESS GLARE (ugh...that glare), and more freedom to adjust the IPD (so limited with the G2) and a larger sweet spot, I didn't want to chance having all the problems I suffered with my 5K. I.e., I just want to fly, and enjoy it!
Maybe you've already had tried this, but the Pimax headsets like to recognize the headset from its lens side so if you haven't I recommend facing the lens to your base station till it recognizes.
This has been a great series of vids. Loved them all. So, the most important question for me is, knowing what you know now, what which would you actually spend your hard-earned cash on?
Thanks Andrew I really appreciate that. I'm a VR nutjob and like my guitars, you can never have too many. But seriously, if I could only own one headset, it would be the G2.... Maybe. The fov and sweet spot is truly spectacular in the Pimax, but it does come at a premium price.
Hi.... I have been following your videos of your your use and opinion of the pimax vision 8k x VR headset. I really enjoyed them and learned a great deal. I am unfamiliar with some of the terminally. I have been holding out on buying my first VR headset until the quality of the image is better. My TV is a 4K, 65 inch, LG OLED TV and I have surround sound. I can stream (in 4K) movies from Disney +, Netflix and Amazon Prime. None of the 4K streaming services can come close to the quality of a 4K Ultra Blu-ray DVD. Do you think any headset available can come close to the quality of a modern OLED 4K TV and a 4K ultra blu-ray DVD? Can I take the pimax vision 8k x VR headset and plug it into either a 4K Ultra blu-ray DVD player, or a TV, and watch a 4K Ultra Blu-ray DVD movie on the headset? In 4K, what is your refresh rate in Hz of the pimax vision 8k? Other than Second Life and Sansar, I am not much into games. Sansar is built for VR. Any thoughts on the above? Thank you for your time. I sure enjoy your videos. all the best, jack
The 8kx is still the winner to me as was noted it's best with virtually all sims other than msfs2020 only (and I think you only mean performance wise, not immersion wise) and only due to asobo and nothing to do with the 8kx itself (which says a lot) and the 8kx is future proofed for some time into the future and will be optimized for msfs20 soon enough (but can still run it now on the 8kx, just maybe with fixed foveated rendering or a narrower fov to improve performance, until it's optimized) and at that time when it's optimized I'm sure you'll be craving the 8kx fov and sweet spot again and with time with sim and game software optimization (like the integration of vulkan, dlss, vrss etc) and better hardware we can get more and more performance out of it over time, not needing to upgrade the headset for quite some time.. we won't be able to make the G2 fov wider over time (& so it's lifespan is much less than the 8kx) and maybe another headset will come out to match the 8kx but why wait and buy multiple headsets between now and that theoretical future point in time when the 8kx already does it all now and for less cost than getting multiple headsets to meet different needs and much less cost than the commercially based xtal and Varjo hmds. The vive pro 2 is basically similar clarity to the 8kx but a narrower fov and so not worth it to me and the wireless option is pointless with the vp2 as it only works at reduced resolution and clarity.. If it ran wirelessly at the full tethered resolution, that would be more appealing for room scale but not needed for sims anyway.. The 8kx audio is instantly fixed by just using a decent pair of headphones and the dmas will be out in the next few months and that will match or surpass the audio of the G2 and index (as it too will be suspended speakers)
Hi! 😇 I’ve a friend with a 8kX and a G2 and he love 8kX ,for him as you ,in sim the 8kX it’s better with Fov 150/90hz ! He have a RTX 3090 and He push : 4700x3800 in Steam vr /150% and the PPI it’s same that G2 ! Bye
@@MrLolof1 that's a good point regarding the ppd if you have the capacity to increase beyond 4k/eye .I only have a 2080ti and still can do that with some games even with my older gpu by narrowing the fov and/or adding various levels of fixed foveated rendering and/or adding smart smoothing.. Great to hear that you can get the same ppd as the G2 whilst still having the super wide 150° fov simultaneously and at full 90hz with the rtx 3090 which like I say makes the 8kx truly the winner and unbeatable
@@justinspirational Yep ,8kX + RTX 3090 It’s amazing to simers: My friend an me play to : Iracing +DCS World +Fs 2020/IL2 Bob ,and My friend prefer 8kX ,because In fight on Flight (DCS /IL2 Bob ) and Iracing with Fov 150 you can see everywhere,I have à G2,I love G2 but Fov at real 100 degrès it’s not Good,at october I bought a 8kX / A+++++ 😇
@@MrLolof1 so happy to hear another person having a highly positive experience with the 8kx.. It's really amazing technology and great times to get into VR and simming
if you can get the Pimax headsets to work correctly, they probably are. But many people, reading reviews in Amazon, have problems with Pimax headsets. Plus the price is somewhat high for me to drop my money down on one. And the 8kx Pimax headsets on Amazon many listed are not available. My HP G2 V2 works very good and had no problems getting it to work properly. Plus the cost is cheaper.
Great. My Reverb G2 is safe.... for now. What add-on are you using to get that iPad in MSFS. I've been looking for a good one so I don't have to take off my headset to use Foreflight.
hello, do you know if you can install the previous version of open xr vr? after I updated my reprojection dropped from 30 to 22 fps. I couldn't reverse it, my game was smooth and now it's not anymore.
Do you use any face gasket mod for the G2? I am still using the one which shipped with it. I would be interested in hearing from you and others around suggestions with the face gasket. Stick with the HP one or suggest a different one?
Perhaps you could detail what frame rates you are getting with the Pimax vs the G2 it would be really helpful to know and I cant recall seeing any in your Pimax vids.
I always disable motion smoothing as a origanal Vive user. It just makes me sick as it adds response delay to the screen projection. It is also why I always enable the game mode on a TV as any of its image enhancement features adds a delay. Which doesn't matter for non-interactable content like movies, but games that you fully interact with... no thanks.
Thanks for the videos mate! To get 6DoF (like the G2) in MS flight sim, does the 8kx require at least one SteamVR base station? I believe the 8kx doesn't come with controllers so the cost of this plus a base station would be on top of the headset cost? G2 FoV is advertised at 114 degrees but does this require the thin mask replacement? Cheers!
Hey Matt my pleasure thanks for watching. Yes you'll need just one base stations. I'd recommend getting the older versions since theyre much cheaper and do the same job for us simmers. You don't need controllers with the Pimax to use it, right now I'm quite happy using the mouse until support for controllers in MSFS happens.
Thanks Steve ! I'm now planning on adding MSFS to my sim rig as I only have DCS and I now have the system to run these awesome sims. Question for a total MSFS noob, which MSFS one do I download ? I see there is a Stardard and a Premium version in the microsoft store and I will not be playing on an xbox just my pc ... so confusing why can't anything be easy these days. So yeah Im planning to get it this weekend, thanks for any help.
Hey Mako, well, I'd recommend getting it from the MS store if you are using the Reverb G2, since the Steam VR interface is just another layer to affect fps. As far as standard or premium goes, that's up to you. I went for the full fat version as I wanted the extra airports and aircraft. Take care.
@@yayaya1193able yes I have been very happy with the G2 for the simulator best I have had including the Vive Pro.:: not keen on it for wider VR as the Windows software is a pain in my opinion - I prefer the Quest 2 or even still like the Oculus original CV1. PC I have an i9 and a 3090 graphics card but it works well in the other PC I have with a 2080ti…
Nice flight over Oslo:-) I'm happy with my G2, haven't tried the Pimax. Don't feel like trying one, prefer to believe the G2 is better and live as a happy ignorant.
Watched your video this morning and remembered I had bookmarked the UK HP reverb store page with the out of stock message, so paused the video to check it and it was back in stock, so one quick order later I came back to watch the rest of the video and heard about your mate's problems with an AMD system, guess what I have! Well I'll find out Monday if mine gives the same problems with Microsoft flight sim.
@@Buddy308 Working fine on it but I ended up using a PCIE USB 3.1 expansion card I had in the computer already. AMD 6800 is ok with it but maybe not powerful enough to run FS2020 at full res, but since my X55 throttle switches started playing up on me I've been avoiding FS2020. I've been getting my FS kicks by playing VTOL VR which works great with everything apart from the controller tracking bugging out if I forget to look down at my throttle hand occasionally, but being able to fly by having my hands mapped 1-1 in the cockpit is a whole new experience for me.
tip..: After the video was made the game recived an update that made the game run much better with VR headsets and also the pimax 8kx issue where the game screen did not fit properbly in the edges have also been fixed. In my own case i experienced a massive improvement in the fps after an update in guess august or september month so i think you maybe should make a new video since it might have effected the result and impression you have. I have a pimax 8kx and it run great with the sim now vs what it did many month ago.
It reminds me of MSFS 2000 and Falcon 4.0. Both games were around the same time, but MSFS 2000 had much better performance, since it was optimised for Windows by Microsoft much better than Flacon 4.0. Speaking of sound - none of these headsets have superb sound, at best I'd call it OKeish. Good semi-open headphones for around 80 quid and the difference between Reverb G2 and for an example DT990PRO headphones is like between MSFS 2000 and MSFS 2020.
Nice one Steve, I can see you were treading a fine line there with your opinions against both camps. If users didn't already know by now I think both headsets give a great impression in MSFS. For the Steam VR performance issue in the 8KX then maybe DX12U (next month?) should improve matters a little I think.
@@VRFlightSimGuy I’ve been having a real good experience with only a RTX 2080 Super and the 8kx in MSFS. Thought I might need a bigger computer but it’s so clear and FPS are prefect so smooth. Guess I got lucky 🍀
I play DCS, IL2, and MSFS. I really considered the Pimax. But I already spent the money on the G2. Outside the sweet spot (which I can live with) I am super happy with the G2. Oh and I use Steam VR and mixed reality. Not sure how the Pimax works within Windows Mixed Reality.
Pimax works with the Windows Mixed Reality for Steam VR interface or just the Steam VR app, just like any other headset. Open XR just need to know the path but won't do anything else, since all the settings are done in the Pi Tool or Steam's side. The Pimax has REALLY impressed me and I continue to tweak the headset in MSFS for which I'm getting better results all the time now. Thanks for watching!
Unfortunately my G2 keeps crashing like you said with an AMD system. It's so annoying. I hope I can get a 3080 or a 3080ti soon to replace my 5700XT. Hopefully that helps........ Do you think it's the graficscard or the Motherboard with CPU?
@@stevetb7777 Ok, that doesn't sound promising. I think I'll try it and when I still have problems I'll get a Intel CPU with motherboard and sell my 5800x and x570. Maybe that coming update brings some help though. Hope dies last.... Right?
@@VRFlightSimGuy this is the first i've heard someone mention the lower resolution of the Index, and I just read about motion reprojection, it's practically interpolation, right? So it's artificially doubling the framerate of these games that really can't run quickly... I'm gonna rewatch your vid, but does Pimax support that at all or no?
@@scofozo Hi yes each company does it differently, but 'motion reprojection' is really essential even for modern PC's, however you can get away with it in flight sims if your average fps is above 35 or so. The Pimax has ok MR but it's not as good as WMR and Oculus. I'm not sure about the Index but I know it has native support to go as low as 22.5fps in Steam VR now.
Joe I nearly made that one live today but I had an audio issue. Stick around it will be on the channel this week and thankyou, I really appreciate the kind words.
Well i think you did your best with the 8kx in MSFS. I love my 8kx and tried 5k+ but the optimization isn't there for me in this sim. Going to need directx12 / Dlss 2.1 / better cpu optimization and frustum culling fix for no PP or something. Its an amazing sim obviously so hopefully one day.
Great series Steve! Your candor is your gift. Your comment about AMD chipsets has me concerned. I just ordered my power PC that is a Ryzen 5900X teamed with a RTX 3070. Have I screwed this up - sure hope not☹️
Thankyou John. Not everyone is having trouble so you may be ok. The fact you've opted for an Nvidia GPU might make the difference. Congrats btw on the new PC. Let me know how you get on. 🤞
It's having and AMD Ryzen 5000 series CPU, AMD 500 chipset and AMD GPU with the USB issue together with AMD Radeon software that is the balancing act and true struggle. Having an RTX 3090 on a clean 100% update AMD system can run a lot more stable I guess using the HP Reverb G2. In 2D I have no issues.
@@VRFlightSimGuy Steve, I hope I have not selected poorly in the configuration of my new power computer. I won’t bother you with my thinking in selecting these two critical components; however, I studied a good deal, and it was an informed choice. The computer should be shipped by the end of June when I can join you in the power user’s fraternity! Keep up your candid critiques. We love them!
Hi thx for your vids. I'll love to have a chat with you and see if you could help. I'm using reverbg2 and I don't get that performance. When ii use it on dcs its fine crispy image and I can read perfectly well the mfd's. On the other hand, when I go to msfs I don't see the screens and I don't have a good frame rate. Therefore I decided to play msfs with normal monitor instead of VR. I have a 3090 nvidia and 64 gb of RAM. If you could help it will be mostly appreciated. Thx again
Yeah I can confirm that the reverb G2 and the 6900xt is a bad combo in msfs. In DCS there are no issues though, and Ive played about 200 hours with this combo in DCS.
I'm pleased that you ultimately decided on the G2...it was the one I was intending to stick with (for my MSFS needs), so it's good news that the G2 is still top of your MSFS list! Can I also just ask, did you also decide that you are going to stick with nVidia driver 466.63 over everyone's favourite long term 457.30? I hadn't "upgraded" to 466.63 just yet, as I wanted to make sure that after a couple of weeks it didn't introduce any strange anomalies, but so far, there has been little additional comment about it, so that's either good or bad, I can't tell... But, after 2+ weeks of use, if you are still using 466.63, then it must be a keeper, I'd say! Thanks for the G2/Pimax comparison...no doubt saved me a ton of cash! LOL
CTD reason is found om my AMD system. It's the AMD GPU driver that is causing it. Nothing else once you have bios update AGESA 1.2.0.2 or now for some that have the absolute latest AGESA 1.2.0.3. solving the USB issue. Also a good big amp powered USB 3.0 Gen 1 hub is needed for the G2. We AMD GPU people need a MSFS / VR oprimized driver and the only one so far that works is the one that comes with Windows 10 Update "Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. - Display - 27.20.1034.6" from 21-08-2020. AMD tickets are still open without any answer if the newer and better performing drivers will ever sort out these CTD's. My GPU upgrade to AMD 6900 XT or Nvidia RTX 3090 will be decided on driver support.
I don´t see in your videos that your view goes black and freezes for a few seconds every now and then. Is it because you only get that in the G2 view or have you managed to get rid of that distraction when flying? I´ve gor a G2 and a pretty new PC with good graphics but sometimes the sim just freezes, and then it keeps going. Very irritating. Also, like Sven, I run a (brand new) AMD system with the 6800 X (16GB) videocard, 9 core cpu, 32 GB ram and M2 SSD. Let me tell you, I could not start MS flightsim 2020 at all before AMD released an updated videodriver. It surprises me because I reasoned that because Microsoft will release the sim on the Xbox Series X, which is also AMD-hardware, I just asumed it would work like a charm. Aerofly FS have very high framerate but suffer from some vierd sturrering every now and then. DCS seem to work perfectly not to mention IL-2. My old 8770K i7 system with 32 GB and the nvidia 1080 never had any issues apart from low framerate after I started using my G2-headset. I had ordered a nvidia 3080 but gave up on it after waiting for 5 months. I decided to go for a new PC with AMD through and through. I works great i HL ALyx and Skyrim VR and Cyberpunk etc. But I have a lot of issues with MS flightsim and Aerofly FS which was rather unexpected.
Use the latest bios on your motherboard with AMD AGESA 1.2.0.2 and still use Work around bios setting disable global type C and pcie set to Gen 3. Also don't use XMP memory timings and make sure you use latest Windows 10 updates and optional updates and latest Ms marketplace apps like mixed reality portal and open XR with latest development updates.
Motion reprojection? You mean frame guessing? If it's anything like the oculus rift ASW turn it off completely. If you ever see the frames it "interpolates" they are garbage. It destroys fidelity of things like lines, grids, instruments etc. Trying to use a radar screen in DCS was impossible with it on.
I just received my Reverb G2 and..... FAIL.... the limited mechanical IPD (68mm) is a deal killer for me, having a Neanderthal pupil distance (72ish). Coming from the Rift CV1 world (IPD was no problemo), I have none of the supporting ecosystem (Pimax compatible base station, controllers, etc.) so it will be $$$$, but if the 8KX can offer me something north of 72 for IPD, I'm betting it's worth the plunge. BTW, thanks for all the great flight sim coverage Steve! Total lifeline.
@@VRFlightSimGuy Yeah, it's frustrating... I can see all the wonderful G2 clarity everyone's been raving about - but it's all 2mm closer to my nose than it should be. If I were cross eyed, it would be brilliant. ACK! So close, but yet so far. It gave me a new appreciation for what the CV1 has provided these last few years.
look at all the distortion thru the prop! this is why motion smoothing needs to be off with either headset. G2: "looking thru toilet paper tubes" and "nightmare on amd chips"? Glad i got the pimax.
Haha indeed. I'm loving the Pimax more and more each day. I don't mind prop tearing when I'm touring close to the ground. I have it switched off for longer flights.
You can’t beat 200 degrees diagonal FOV and 4K resolution per eye, with 115Hz upscale refresh rate. In my humble opinion the Pimax 8K X is a far superior.
Alright Steve, here's the deal: keep my G2 and your 8KX and send me the 16KX when it hits the market in 2023. In the meantime I'll use my 82'' Samsung TV and let my 1.25'' IPD do the rest.
The best VR headset for MSFS is the 8KX.... but if you don't have a 3080Ti or a 3090 necessary to drive it, then the best would be the Reverb G2. Me, I downgraded to an 8K Plus that has a more modest GPU requirement.
@@VRFlightSimGuy thanks for that, I'm hoping to collect my new PC soon and will finally have a machine that can run ms 2020, will be dipping my toe into vr. The G2 looks like a good starting point. 👍
Hi, thank you for the video. I have an AMD chipset the X570 and my Reberb G2 works well with no problems. To solve USB issues a new AGESA was launched in April, the 1.2.0.2, and the bios should be updated. www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/m2wqkf/updated_agesa_coming_for_intermittent_usb/
After two weeks of solid testing, which is better for MSFS right now?
Don't forget... when Asobo decided to make VR possible, the first headset they used was the G2. It is basically optimized for it. The others were an afterthought.
Yep. Pretty much what I allude to here. Fingers crossed for more support in the future, especially for wider field of view headsets.
With the Pimax, the motion is much smoother when you set Render Quality 2 and SteamVR settings to 20 to 25% with no apparent loss of quality. I agree with you though that the G2 with OpenXR is straight off better than SteamVR. I also agree that the G2 is easy to pop on and off, it's lighter and easier more comfortable but that's still a work in progress for me to find the comfort options. Studioform out of stock with the P8KX weights so arranging something temporary for now.
I'm not fussed about the audio in either as I prefer the external speakers with subwoofer. My daughter complains that I make too much noise. I point out that she's old enough to leave home.
Thanks David I will definitely try this when I get back.
This has been an excellent series of reviews and comparisons Steve and I appreciate all of time and work you put into this comparison!
I have to say it's with a bit of relief that I'm glad to hear your choice is the Reverb G2 when it comes to msfs 2020 since that is what I recently purchased.
I'm still working to smooth out the kinks in its settings.
You said you liked the OpenXR but I've missed all the various adjustments in SteamVR settings but I'll figure it out eventually.
Thankyou Don it's been an interesting journey for sure! As always I really appreciate your comments and support on the channel. I may post an update setup video for the Reverb G2 soon. Take care!
@@VRFlightSimGuy Thanks Steve! Hey I'll go back through your setup video again! I get "off track" to easily lol it sucks getting old haha but it beats the alternative! Cheers my friend! Don't put more work on yourself if not necessary!
I am really torn between the two of them, I am using MSFS , DCS and IL2 but I also could wait for a better solution to come out.
Is it better to wait for newer models to be release in some years ?
Thanks for the summary and coverage. Pimax have certainly moved forward over the past few years. Are you keeping the Pimax?
Thanks Mark it's been an interesting journey. I think the 8KX feels like a quality product. Put it this way, I'd hate to not have that amazing display in my life anymore. The fov and sweet spot is truly spectacular, but it does come at a premium price. Take care.
Interesting comment about AMD systems and CTD. I’m running a Ryzen 9 5900x , previously ran a Ryzen 1700x. In the early days of the sim I had regular CTD.
But I’ve not experienced a CTD for a long time now. Are you sure it’s MSFS causing the problem?
Reason I’m bringing this up is that my primary screen is an LG OLED C9. If I’m flying in VR, I turn the screen to a tv channel. The reason for this, if I turn the TV off, when it turns back on (HDMi re initialised) it crashes MSFS to the desktop. I reported this quite some time ago, unsure if it’s a HP or MSFS problem. As a work around I always do the above and have not had that issue since.
Thank you for your look at the pimax, interesting to hear how the sweet spot is so much better than the G2, one of its initial let downs. It sounds promising, but
I think the problem with VR headsets is that the resolution is getting to far ahead of the GPU.
Unless you have the highest end GPU you are going to struggle to get decent results from a 4K headset, especially on a weaker machine, let alone looking at 8K.
I’d rather VR manufacturers (Valve, HP, HTC, Oculus) sort the lenses out, with a sweet spot that covers the entire headset, with a realistic FOV, than chasing higher resolutions that out of the reach of most people.
Worth pointing out, as GPU get better so will the 4K VR headsets as there not being maxed out yet.
It's only running the Hp Reverb G2 on AMD system that is the main problem
Great video! I join your subscribers! I would like to ask you a newbie question: How do you make it so that when you capture the image of the glasses it does not show the typical black borders that you see when you use VR glasses? I use the G2 but I can't get rid of that effect! Thanks!!!
6 hours with the VIVE Pro 2, 1 CTD, fov resolution all very good, performance totally fine, speakers a bit less good then the G2, comfort, miles ahead of the G2 for my headshape - looking forward to your review!
Very interesting thankyou for sharing your experiences
Darn it it, now I gotta get both? 😬. Threadripper 2950x owner here .. no problems with G2 crashes ... I use the USB port on my RTX 2080 for the G2 serial port, not the motherboard one. I hope this helps your friend.
Thank you Very much for the test 😍😍😍😍
Massive thanks for the mention. I cracked the CTD nut so far on my AMD R9 5900X and X570 chipset system but it will one day work perfect. Solid good video and all your advice. Its you that made me buy my Hp Reverb G2 and I'll never give it up until Hp makes a Oled version of it :-)
Hi Sven , I've just ordered a reverb g2 , it's due to arrive early July , I'm upgrading from rift s , I run an AMD 5800x on a b550 board , I sure hope I don't experience the ctd like you have 🤞
@@johnusjohnson8972 just make sure you're running the absolute latest bios with AMD AGESA 1.2.0.2 that should fix the amd USB issue that is the root cause. I do but I still use AMD recommended workaround bios settings disabling Global Type C and set your pcie to Gen 3. Also I run my memory op normal and not on XMP speed. Once your G2 is set up with Ms mixed reality portal app and open XR with latest development updates with scale set to 70% and motion projection disabled. Just connect the G2 to a powerful powered USB 3.0 Gen 1 hub reboot the pc and hopefully Mixed reality portal does not start. Start MSFS2020 load route, switch to VR and fly till you want to stop. That's what finally works for me.
@@SparkySven I've updated my bios in preparation for my g2's arrival early July , I will try it before I alter any other bios settings , not keen on losing that much performance by turning off xmp , PCI express 4 I can live without since it made no noticeable difference when I enabled it
@@johnusjohnson8972 I only have CTD with the Hp Reverb G2 with MSFS2020 no other VR games like Alyx
Thanks for the great, thoughtful, detailed comparison. I just couldn't pull the trigger on the Pimax. Having the 5K, and STILL cannot get it to stay connected to the base stations (i pulled it out last week just out of curiosity and tried it out all over again), I just did not want to get burned again by their system. I LOVE my G2, and while I DO really want a larger field of view and LESS GLARE (ugh...that glare), and more freedom to adjust the IPD (so limited with the G2) and a larger sweet spot, I didn't want to chance having all the problems I suffered with my 5K. I.e., I just want to fly, and enjoy it!
I had the 5K as well. Sold it after a couple of weeks. I guess the 8KX is a huge improvement otherwise he would've mentioned it.
Maybe you've already had tried this, but the Pimax headsets like to recognize the headset from its lens side so if you haven't I recommend facing the lens to your base station till it recognizes.
@@saraki4311 hmm, that could be part of the issue, as I've been following the instructions precisely by placing them diagonally from each other...
Thanks Jason your comments are super appreciated and I completely understand where you're coming from.
This has been a great series of vids. Loved them all. So, the most important question for me is, knowing what you know now, what which would you actually spend your hard-earned cash on?
Thanks Andrew I really appreciate that. I'm a VR nutjob and like my guitars, you can never have too many. But seriously, if I could only own one headset, it would be the G2.... Maybe. The fov and sweet spot is truly spectacular in the Pimax, but it does come at a premium price.
@@VRFlightSimGuy I had a feeling that would be the case. 🙂 Good to know anyway.
Hi....
I have been following your videos of your your use and opinion of the pimax vision 8k x VR headset. I really enjoyed them and learned a great deal. I am unfamiliar with some of the terminally.
I have been holding out on buying my first VR headset until the quality of the image is better. My TV is a 4K, 65 inch, LG OLED TV and I have surround sound. I can stream (in 4K) movies from Disney +, Netflix and Amazon Prime. None of the 4K streaming services can come close to the quality of a 4K Ultra Blu-ray DVD.
Do you think any headset available can come close to the quality of a modern OLED 4K TV and a 4K ultra blu-ray DVD?
Can I take the pimax vision 8k x VR headset and plug it into either a 4K Ultra blu-ray DVD player, or a TV, and watch a 4K Ultra Blu-ray DVD movie on the headset?
In 4K, what is your refresh rate in Hz of the pimax vision 8k?
Other than Second Life and Sansar, I am not much into games. Sansar is built for VR.
Any thoughts on the above?
Thank you for your time. I sure enjoy your videos.
all the best,
jack
The 8kx is still the winner to me as was noted it's best with virtually all sims other than msfs2020 only (and I think you only mean performance wise, not immersion wise) and only due to asobo and nothing to do with the 8kx itself (which says a lot) and the 8kx is future proofed for some time into the future and will be optimized for msfs20 soon enough (but can still run it now on the 8kx, just maybe with fixed foveated rendering or a narrower fov to improve performance, until it's optimized) and at that time when it's optimized I'm sure you'll be craving the 8kx fov and sweet spot again and with time with sim and game software optimization (like the integration of vulkan, dlss, vrss etc) and better hardware we can get more and more performance out of it over time, not needing to upgrade the headset for quite some time.. we won't be able to make the G2 fov wider over time (& so it's lifespan is much less than the 8kx) and maybe another headset will come out to match the 8kx but why wait and buy multiple headsets between now and that theoretical future point in time when the 8kx already does it all now and for less cost than getting multiple headsets to meet different needs and much less cost than the commercially based xtal and Varjo hmds. The vive pro 2 is basically similar clarity to the 8kx but a narrower fov and so not worth it to me and the wireless option is pointless with the vp2 as it only works at reduced resolution and clarity.. If it ran wirelessly at the full tethered resolution, that would be more appealing for room scale but not needed for sims anyway.. The 8kx audio is instantly fixed by just using a decent pair of headphones and the dmas will be out in the next few months and that will match or surpass the audio of the G2 and index (as it too will be suspended speakers)
Thanks for your thoughts Justin. I have no doubt the 8KX will get better in MSFS sooner, rather than later.
Hi! 😇 I’ve a friend with a 8kX and a G2 and he love 8kX ,for him as you ,in sim the 8kX it’s better with Fov 150/90hz !
He have a RTX 3090 and He push : 4700x3800 in Steam vr /150% and the PPI it’s same that G2 !
Bye
@@MrLolof1 that's a good point regarding the ppd if you have the capacity to increase beyond 4k/eye .I only have a 2080ti and still can do that with some games even with my older gpu by narrowing the fov and/or adding various levels of fixed foveated rendering and/or adding smart smoothing.. Great to hear that you can get the same ppd as the G2 whilst still having the super wide 150° fov simultaneously and at full 90hz with the rtx 3090 which like I say makes the 8kx truly the winner and unbeatable
@@justinspirational Yep ,8kX + RTX 3090 It’s amazing to simers: My friend an me play to : Iracing +DCS World +Fs 2020/IL2 Bob ,and My friend prefer 8kX ,because In fight on Flight (DCS /IL2 Bob ) and Iracing with Fov 150 you can see everywhere,I have à G2,I love G2 but Fov at real 100 degrès it’s not Good,at october I bought a 8kX / A+++++ 😇
@@MrLolof1 so happy to hear another person having a highly positive experience with the 8kx.. It's really amazing technology and great times to get into VR and simming
if you can get the Pimax headsets to work correctly, they probably are. But many people, reading reviews in Amazon, have problems with Pimax headsets. Plus the price is somewhat high for me to drop my money down on one. And the 8kx Pimax headsets on Amazon many listed are not available.
My HP G2 V2 works very good and had no problems getting it to work properly. Plus the cost is cheaper.
Great. My Reverb G2 is safe.... for now. What add-on are you using to get that iPad in MSFS. I've been looking for a good one so I don't have to take off my headset to use Foreflight.
It is indeed Rob. It's an amazing headset. I'm flying the Just Flight Turbo Arrow. Highly recommend.
I'm new to vr. What's up with the shaking? Is that normal? It's making me nervous!
It feels totally fine in the headset don't worry. Think of a go pro camera and how that looks. Same principal.
@@VRFlightSimGuy Can you use mouse normally or is it hard to click the click spots?
hello, do you know if you can install the previous version of open xr vr? after I updated my reprojection dropped from 30 to 22 fps. I couldn't reverse it, my game was smooth and now it's not anymore.
Do you use any face gasket mod for the G2? I am still using the one which shipped with it. I would be interested in hearing from you and others around suggestions with the face gasket. Stick with the HP one or suggest a different one?
Me and Steve both use the thinnest VRCover mod eu.vrcover.com/products/facial-interface-and-foam-replacement-set-for-hp-reverb-g2
It gives a bigger VOF
See here: ua-cam.com/video/Wcbad1MV_OI/v-deo.html
@@VRFlightSimGuy Thank you both for the response! I have ordered mine and look forward to trying it out!
Great vids! I’m a DCS guy with a 3080, do you think I’d get good enough result with 8KX to justify the price difference?
DCS is amazing in the Pimax. Check out my Hornet video.
@@VRFlightSimGuy watching now, thanks
Perhaps you could detail what frame rates you are getting with the Pimax vs the G2 it would be really helpful to know and I cant recall seeing any in your Pimax vids.
Thanks for the suggestion
I always disable motion smoothing as a origanal Vive user. It just makes me sick as it adds response delay to the screen projection.
It is also why I always enable the game mode on a TV as any of its image enhancement features adds a delay. Which doesn't matter for non-interactable content like movies, but games that you fully interact with... no thanks.
Thanks for the videos mate! To get 6DoF (like the G2) in MS flight sim, does the 8kx require at least one SteamVR base station? I believe the 8kx doesn't come with controllers so the cost of this plus a base station would be on top of the headset cost? G2 FoV is advertised at 114 degrees but does this require the thin mask replacement? Cheers!
Hey Matt my pleasure thanks for watching. Yes you'll need just one base stations. I'd recommend getting the older versions since theyre much cheaper and do the same job for us simmers. You don't need controllers with the Pimax to use it, right now I'm quite happy using the mouse until support for controllers in MSFS happens.
Thanks Steve ! I'm now planning on adding MSFS to my sim rig as I only have DCS and I now have the system to run these awesome sims. Question for a total MSFS noob, which MSFS one do I download ? I see there is a Stardard and a Premium version in the microsoft store and I will not be playing on an xbox just my pc ... so confusing why can't anything be easy these days. So yeah Im planning to get it this weekend, thanks for any help.
Hey Mako, well, I'd recommend getting it from the MS store if you are using the Reverb G2, since the Steam VR interface is just another layer to affect fps. As far as standard or premium goes, that's up to you. I went for the full fat version as I wanted the extra airports and aircraft. Take care.
Thanks for your time !
Agreed - G2 for me every time for flying very happy with it - thanks again for the videos.
Thankyou for all your comments on my videos :)
HVe you used any pimax before
@@yayaya1193able nope sorry never used the Pimax systems - some good reviews on UA-cam though….
@@simplysimulator what’s your pc specs and are you happy with the g2?
@@yayaya1193able yes I have been very happy with the G2 for the simulator best I have had including the Vive Pro.:: not keen on it for wider VR as the Windows software is a pain in my opinion - I prefer the Quest 2 or even still like the Oculus original CV1. PC I have an i9 and a 3090 graphics card but it works well in the other PC I have with a 2080ti…
Nice flight over Oslo:-) I'm happy with my G2, haven't tried the Pimax. Don't feel like trying one, prefer to believe the G2 is better and live as a happy ignorant.
So, what do you think is the best default/third-party GA airplane is out there for MSFS currently?
Just Flight Turbo Arrow. No question.
The Turbo Arrow 4 rocks. Caronado Seneca 5 comes very close too but that my personal opinion because deicing rocks
Watched your video this morning and remembered I had bookmarked the UK HP reverb store page with the out of stock message, so paused the video to check it and it was back in stock, so one quick order later I came back to watch the rest of the video and heard about your mate's problems with an AMD system, guess what I have! Well I'll find out Monday if mine gives the same problems with Microsoft flight sim.
So it's 4 weeks later. Did you have much trouble seeing up the G2 on your AMD-based computer?
@@Buddy308 Working fine on it but I ended up using a PCIE USB 3.1 expansion card I had in the computer already. AMD 6800 is ok with it but maybe not powerful enough to run FS2020 at full res, but since my X55 throttle switches started playing up on me I've been avoiding FS2020. I've been getting my FS kicks by playing VTOL VR which works great with everything apart from the controller tracking bugging out if I forget to look down at my throttle hand occasionally, but being able to fly by having my hands mapped 1-1 in the cockpit is a whole new experience for me.
Does the G2 have better clarity/pixel density (at the center of the sweetspot)?
Yes, slightly. But the 8KX feels better simply because of the sweet spot.
tip..: After the video was made the game recived an update that made the game run much better with VR headsets and also the pimax 8kx issue where the game screen did not fit properbly in the edges have also been fixed. In my own case i experienced a massive improvement in the fps after an update in guess august or september month so i think you maybe should make a new video since it might have effected the result and impression you have.
I have a pimax 8kx and it run great with the sim now vs what it did many month ago.
It reminds me of MSFS 2000 and Falcon 4.0. Both games were around the same time, but MSFS 2000 had much better performance, since it was optimised for Windows by Microsoft much better than Flacon 4.0.
Speaking of sound - none of these headsets have superb sound, at best I'd call it OKeish. Good semi-open headphones for around 80 quid and the difference between Reverb G2 and for an example DT990PRO headphones is like between MSFS 2000 and MSFS 2020.
I purchased the flight sim when it first came out for VR. When I realized it does not support hand controllers I never used it again.
Nice one Steve, I can see you were treading a fine line there with your opinions against both camps. If users didn't already know by now I think both headsets give a great impression in MSFS. For the Steam VR performance issue in the 8KX then maybe DX12U (next month?) should improve matters a little I think.
Great series, thoughtfully presented. I prefer the G2 clarity over field of view.
Thankyou :)
I like the field of view and clarity of the 8kx but never owned a G2. 🇺🇸
You'd be shocked if you tried one after the 8KX. It feels SOOOO narrow!
@@VRFlightSimGuy I’ve been having a real good experience with only a RTX 2080 Super and the 8kx in MSFS. Thought I might need a bigger computer but it’s so clear and FPS are prefect so smooth. Guess I got lucky 🍀
@@SkyKing-Opa That's fantastic :)
I play DCS, IL2, and MSFS. I really considered the Pimax. But I already spent the money on the G2. Outside the sweet spot (which I can live with) I am super happy with the G2. Oh and I use Steam VR and mixed reality. Not sure how the Pimax works within Windows Mixed Reality.
Pimax works with the Windows Mixed Reality for Steam VR interface or just the Steam VR app, just like any other headset. Open XR just need to know the path but won't do anything else, since all the settings are done in the Pi Tool or Steam's side. The Pimax has REALLY impressed me and I continue to tweak the headset in MSFS for which I'm getting better results all the time now. Thanks for watching!
Unfortunately my G2 keeps crashing like you said with an AMD system. It's so annoying. I hope I can get a 3080 or a 3080ti soon to replace my 5700XT. Hopefully that helps........
Do you think it's the graficscard or the Motherboard with CPU?
Probably won't help bro, crashes frequently with my 3080 + AMD system. = (
@@stevetb7777 Ok, that doesn't sound promising.
I think I'll try it and when I still have problems I'll get a Intel CPU with motherboard and sell my 5800x and x570.
Maybe that coming update brings some help though.
Hope dies last.... Right?
Intel + nvidia it’s the standard for VR.
I have all with AMD $$$ nothing to do .
@@WWG1-WGA I have now a Ryzen 5800x and a 3080ti. No more crashes for me.
Why not the Valve Index?
I don't own one and the low resolution isn't great for sims.
@@VRFlightSimGuy this is the first i've heard someone mention the lower resolution of the Index, and I just read about motion reprojection, it's practically interpolation, right? So it's artificially doubling the framerate of these games that really can't run quickly... I'm gonna rewatch your vid, but does Pimax support that at all or no?
@@scofozo Hi yes each company does it differently, but 'motion reprojection' is really essential even for modern PC's, however you can get away with it in flight sims if your average fps is above 35 or so. The Pimax has ok MR but it's not as good as WMR and Oculus. I'm not sure about the Index but I know it has native support to go as low as 22.5fps in Steam VR now.
Nice one mate that looks really cool Jan 🤠🇬🇧👍👍👍
Hey buddy, as always a excellent video and conclusion. Thank you Steve for doing what you do👍
Take care buddy
My absolute pleasure my friend. Enjoy your new 8KX beast!!!
How do you feel about the 5k pimax?
I've never tried one so I can't say sorry
@@VRFlightSimGuy ok. G2 it is.
One more thing this is a revelation that pimax is over priced? G2 does way better overall, get cheaper
Very thoughtful review! I am more of an IL-2 guy, so I am going to have to take another look into getting a Pimax... 🤔
Joe I nearly made that one live today but I had an audio issue. Stick around it will be on the channel this week and thankyou, I really appreciate the kind words.
If you factor in something silly like the price (some of us have to) there really isn’t a contest here at all.
* wallet breathes a sigh of relief *
LOL so true!
Well i think you did your best with the 8kx in MSFS. I love my 8kx and tried 5k+ but the optimization isn't there for me in this sim. Going to need directx12 / Dlss 2.1 / better cpu optimization and frustum culling fix for no PP or something. Its an amazing sim obviously so hopefully one day.
Great series Steve! Your candor is your gift.
Your comment about AMD chipsets has me concerned. I just ordered my power PC that is a Ryzen 5900X teamed with a RTX 3070. Have I screwed this up - sure hope not☹️
Thankyou John. Not everyone is having trouble so you may be ok. The fact you've opted for an Nvidia GPU might make the difference. Congrats btw on the new PC. Let me know how you get on. 🤞
It's having and AMD Ryzen 5000 series CPU, AMD 500 chipset and AMD GPU with the USB issue together with AMD Radeon software that is the balancing act and true struggle. Having an RTX 3090 on a clean 100% update AMD system can run a lot more stable I guess using the HP Reverb G2. In 2D I have no issues.
@@VRFlightSimGuy Steve, I hope I have not selected poorly in the configuration of my new power computer. I won’t bother you with my thinking in selecting these two critical components; however, I studied a good deal, and it was an informed choice. The computer should be shipped by the end of June when I can join you in the power user’s fraternity! Keep up your candid critiques. We love them!
Hi thx for your vids. I'll love to have a chat with you and see if you could help. I'm using reverbg2 and I don't get that performance. When ii use it on dcs its fine crispy image and I can read perfectly well the mfd's. On the other hand, when I go to msfs I don't see the screens and I don't have a good frame rate. Therefore I decided to play msfs with normal monitor instead of VR. I have a 3090 nvidia and 64 gb of RAM. If you could help it will be mostly appreciated. Thx again
Hi I do have a setup video on the channel that may help you. With a spec like yours, it shouldn't be too much of an issue.
Was interested to hear what you said about the G2 not liking AMD.
Yeah I can confirm that the reverb G2 and the 6900xt is a bad combo in msfs. In DCS there are no issues though, and Ive played about 200 hours with this combo in DCS.
I'm pleased that you ultimately decided on the G2...it was the one I was intending to stick with (for my MSFS needs), so it's good news that the G2 is still top of your MSFS list!
Can I also just ask, did you also decide that you are going to stick with nVidia driver 466.63 over everyone's favourite long term 457.30? I hadn't "upgraded" to 466.63 just yet, as I wanted to make sure that after a couple of weeks it didn't introduce any strange anomalies, but so far, there has been little additional comment about it, so that's either good or bad, I can't tell...
But, after 2+ weeks of use, if you are still using 466.63, then it must be a keeper, I'd say!
Thanks for the G2/Pimax comparison...no doubt saved me a ton of cash! LOL
Brand new one out already, working well for me... finally cleared the SteamVR stuttering bug too in the release notes too. Version is 471.11
Reverb is the most comfortable headset ever for sure I just ordered my 3rd one
CTD reason is found om my AMD system. It's the AMD GPU driver that is causing it. Nothing else once you have bios update AGESA 1.2.0.2 or now for some that have the absolute latest AGESA 1.2.0.3. solving the USB issue. Also a good big amp powered USB 3.0 Gen 1 hub is needed for the G2. We AMD GPU people need a MSFS / VR oprimized driver and the only one so far that works is the one that comes with Windows 10 Update "Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. - Display - 27.20.1034.6" from 21-08-2020. AMD tickets are still open without any answer if the newer and better performing drivers will ever sort out these CTD's. My GPU upgrade to AMD 6900 XT or Nvidia RTX 3090 will be decided on driver support.
So i assume that the G2 will blow my Rift S out of the water in MSFS especially with the latest SU10 and DLSS.
I don´t see in your videos that your view goes black and freezes for a few seconds every now and then. Is it because you only get that in the G2 view or have you managed to get rid of that distraction when flying? I´ve gor a G2 and a pretty new PC with good graphics but sometimes the sim just freezes, and then it keeps going. Very irritating. Also, like Sven, I run a (brand new) AMD system with the 6800 X (16GB) videocard, 9 core cpu, 32 GB ram and M2 SSD. Let me tell you, I could not start MS flightsim 2020 at all before AMD released an updated videodriver. It surprises me because I reasoned that because Microsoft will release the sim on the Xbox Series X, which is also AMD-hardware, I just asumed it would work like a charm. Aerofly FS have very high framerate but suffer from some vierd sturrering every now and then. DCS seem to work perfectly not to mention IL-2. My old 8770K i7 system with 32 GB and the nvidia 1080 never had any issues apart from low framerate after I started using my G2-headset. I had ordered a nvidia 3080 but gave up on it after waiting for 5 months. I decided to go for a new PC with AMD through and through. I works great i HL ALyx and Skyrim VR and Cyberpunk etc. But I have a lot of issues with MS flightsim and Aerofly FS which was rather unexpected.
Use the latest bios on your motherboard with AMD AGESA 1.2.0.2 and still use Work around bios setting disable global type C and pcie set to Gen 3. Also don't use XMP memory timings and make sure you use latest Windows 10 updates and optional updates and latest Ms marketplace apps like mixed reality portal and open XR with latest development updates.
And don't forget a powerful powered USB 3.0 GEN 1 Hub to connect your G2
I don't have this issue, it may be AMD related?
Slow down Steve. I can't keep up with you videos 😁 good work.
LOL. You are absolutely right. I do need to slow down my videos. It's been manic recently 😁
I advise you to try "buttkicker gamer 2" It's great and improves immersion
would be nice if they could make pimax compatible for Xbox series x
There's no way it would be able to push that resolution. But the total lack of VR is a big mistake for the platform.
Motion reprojection? You mean frame guessing? If it's anything like the oculus rift ASW turn it off completely. If you ever see the frames it "interpolates" they are garbage. It destroys fidelity of things like lines, grids, instruments etc. Trying to use a radar screen in DCS was impossible with it on.
I just returned my htc vive pro 2 headset.
Its not ready for prime time 😱
Oh no. Why didn't you like it? I haven't received it yet ..
@@VRFlightSimGuy doesnt work with msfs
@@Tee-zt4wr Why not? The Vive Pro I'm borrowing works perfectly.
@@VRFlightSimGuy sticking with my hp g2 till they figure it out , didnt work out for me , i'll wait
I am looking forward to the comparative material in X-Plane ;-)
Thankyou. X Plane content is coming I promise. I've really neglected that sim recently.
Heasets are fine.... Emagin if you had a graficscard with power enought to actual give you a smooth exsperience. So blame the GPU instead :)
It's not the GPU, it's the software, in this case, Asobo. Update 5 may dramatically change this though.
I think if your computer is fast enough to handle 8k, the pimax will be better.
Has to be faster than an 11900k and 3090. Lol. I wish we could get a big leap in computer power soon.
@@joyceracing99 That would be nice
Just got a G2. I've an AMD chipset for both Mobo and graphics. First thing I did was buy thinner padding which did improve the PoV considerably.
And experienced any crashes?
@@nekron75 Not after I got a USB 3 hub. Wouldn't even recognise the headset, prior to that.
Bought a g2 today in Amazon!
Congratulations!
I just received my Reverb G2 and..... FAIL.... the limited mechanical IPD (68mm) is a deal killer for me, having a Neanderthal pupil distance (72ish). Coming from the Rift CV1 world (IPD was no problemo), I have none of the supporting ecosystem (Pimax compatible base station, controllers, etc.) so it will be $$$$, but if the 8KX can offer me something north of 72 for IPD, I'm betting it's worth the plunge. BTW, thanks for all the great flight sim coverage Steve! Total lifeline.
Hey Jay damn I'm sorry to hear that. The 8KX has a much wider sweet spot. Next time I'm in the headset I'll check out the IPD range in more detail.
@@VRFlightSimGuy Yeah, it's frustrating... I can see all the wonderful G2 clarity everyone's been raving about - but it's all 2mm closer to my nose than it should be. If I were cross eyed, it would be brilliant. ACK! So close, but yet so far. It gave me a new appreciation for what the CV1 has provided these last few years.
11:32 That must be sad! Thanks.
look at all the distortion thru the prop! this is why motion smoothing needs to be off with either headset. G2: "looking thru toilet paper tubes" and "nightmare on amd chips"? Glad i got the pimax.
Haha indeed. I'm loving the Pimax more and more each day. I don't mind prop tearing when I'm touring close to the ground. I have it switched off for longer flights.
I guess if I wanted to fly msfs I'll buy a g2, but for now I'll stick with my 8kx and when the 12kx comes out I'll exchange it for that ... lol
You don’t like flying in 8k?
My childhood city Oslo
Nice Video 👍
Thankyou :)
You can’t beat 200 degrees diagonal FOV and 4K resolution per eye, with 115Hz upscale refresh rate. In my humble opinion the Pimax 8K X is a far superior.
I guess it's that age old debate, fov or clarity?
the 8kx obliterates the g2 on fov whereas the g2 does not obliterate the 8kx on clarity. 8kx is more immersive imo.
Alright Steve, here's the deal: keep my G2 and your 8KX and send me the 16KX when it hits the market in 2023. In the meantime I'll use my 82'' Samsung TV and let my 1.25'' IPD do the rest.
Good thing I'll be spending my time at dcs and I'll ... lol
The best VR headset for MSFS is the 8KX.... but if you don't have a 3080Ti or a 3090 necessary to drive it, then the best would be the Reverb G2.
Me, I downgraded to an 8K Plus that has a more modest GPU requirement.
I am running a 3090.
Have you played this game on reverb G2 KKhalifah?
The G2 is half the price too.😀
Great value. I was always surprised with the price of the Reverb considering it's resolution.
@@VRFlightSimGuy thanks for that, I'm hoping to collect my new PC soon and will finally have a machine that can run ms 2020, will be dipping my toe into vr. The G2 looks like a good starting point. 👍
Sorry, but Varjo products are by far the best.
Edge to edge clarity is not sweet spot
Did I refer to the sweet spot as edge to edge clarity?!
@@VRFlightSimGuy on multiple videos 😅
@@bobdole2184 I'll get my coat..
Hi, thank you for the video. I have an AMD chipset the X570 and my Reberb G2 works well with no problems. To solve USB issues a new AGESA was launched in April, the 1.2.0.2, and the bios should be updated. www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/m2wqkf/updated_agesa_coming_for_intermittent_usb/