The BIZARRE CONTROVERSY Between Marshall Faulk, Walter Payton, & The NFL
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- Опубліковано 20 сер 2022
- In 1999, following the tragic death of the legendary Walter Payton, St. Louis Rams running back Marshall Faulk wanted to do something to honor his legacy. And the NFL, in an extremely controversial ruling, immediately said no, and threatened to punish Faulk significantly if he did anything to honor Payton. This is the story behind the bizarre controversy
NOTE: There is a mistake that I made in the video where I incorrectly said that Marshall Faulk was traded for a first round pick. In actuality, it was a 2nd and a 5th
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At the Pro Bowl following the 2007 season three Washington players made the Pro Bowl and were all allowed to wear #21 in honor of Sean Taylor. This included Left Tackle Chris Samuels.
Wow! No way! In a game as important as the Pro Bowl that's just amazing!
@@SVW1976 what's the Pro Bowl?
@@SVW1976 In fairness, that was a time when players still tried in the Pro Bowl
I remember this well. The No Fun League strikes again.
Born in 1971, some of my earliest memories of memorable NFL play were highlights of Walter Payton runs and TDs. Although I wasn't a Bears' fan, per se, I definitely was a Walter Payton fan, and when the news broke re. his death (I believe it was via Sports Center, or some other ESPN program that I first heard it), it literally knocked the wind out of me like a full-on punch to the solar plexus, and thinking back to that moment while composing this comment, I'm fighting back a flood of tears almost like I'm reliving the experience all over again even though it's been more than twenty years -- that's how much the loss of Walter Payton, the person more than the player (but the latter descriptor is important, too) impacted me then and continues to impact me all these years later.
Fun Fact: Payton retired as the Bears all-time leader in receptions and was #1 in NFL history in receptions by a running back.
Is he still the Bears leader?
@@jbj7599 Yes
@@CTubeMan ouch
@@jbj7599 That shows just how messed up Bear's management has been since George Halas died.
No surprise here; in 2002, the NFL wouldn't let Peyton Manning wear black high tops to honor Johnny Unitas after the all-time great passed, because Peyton placed in Indianapolis and not Baltimore (Chris Redman wore the high tops while playing for the Ravens though). Makes me glad Unitas shunned the Indianapolis chapter of Colts history (I'd do the same thing, quite frankly, and considering how entwined the Baltimore community & the players were, it's completely reasonable).
I remember watching Fox NFL Sunday and Terry Bradshaw went "Peyton, if you're watching, do it, I'LL pay the fine." And Howie Long chimed in he and any other QB past and present would "we all owe Unitas."
@@Anynom That's awesome, and I sure Bradshaw would pay the fine. I recall what Chris Berman said on "NFL PrimeTime", that the NFL missed a chance to educate younger viewers, giving the example of a dad saying to his son "Let me tell you about John Unitas...". Really, these silly rules get in the way of life (football and otherwise) and creates problems that don't exist.
@@gluserty Chris Berman is a problem that shouldn't exist, his tired act reached its expiration date, years, ago, ESPN, (and, The, HOF), BOTH, need to do the right thing, and, pull the plug.
When Pat Tillman died serving our country his former college and pro teammate, then-Broncos Quarterback Jake Plummer, wanted to wear a decal on his helmet with Tillman’s #40 on it. The NFL disallowed it, with similar reasoning to disallow Manning from wearing the black high tops. In 2002 the NFL said only the Ravens could honor Johnny U, and in 2004 it said only the Cardinals could honor Tillman.
Incidentally, I think in retrospect the NFL should have had nobody wear #40 in 2004. At the very least all stadiums should have a Ring of Honor-like tribute to Tillman, Robert Kalsu, and other NFL players who gave their lives in war.
@@CTubeMan I forgot about the Pat Tillman decal controversy, thanks for reminding me about that dishonorable circumstance. Look, I know Plummer played for the Broncos at the time, but Tillman was a good friend and an individual who wanted to make a difference, so why would a decal hurt (so happy Jim McMahon wore all those various headbands in 1985: my favorites were "Pluto"-nice that McMahon honored his friend, what Plummer was trying to do- and, of course, "ROZELLE". I love rebels).
Not sure if this was commented. I remember when Charles Barkley wore 32 for one season when Magic Johnson retired. It was such a classy act.
10:06 😁
Between this, a passer rating of 39.6, your implementing of sarcasm and “This is one of them.” You are building an empire of famous quotes on the level of the Rock!
I know you know this but that’s why they make the little sticker decals they put on the backs of their helmets to honor someone. Still have to get it approved by the NoFunLeague but they’re more likely to go along with it because it’s a minor/more reasonable tribute.
They didn't let Jake Plummer wear one for Pat Tillman because it was approved for Cardinals players only.
Loved watching #Sweetness run the rock but I was a kid at the end of his career. So, as a teenager, I really enjoyed watching Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith, Marcus Allen, and even Bo Jackson as I played fullback and ILB growing up so I either wanted to block for them or tackle them (or at least take on that challenge 😂), but Sweetness was who most of those guys looked up to so it was awesome to follow their careers. I enjoyed Marshall Faulks play later on also. Ran well but loved how exceptional a receiver he was out of the backfield. I miss the 90’s and 00’s NFL. Was a different world back then. It’s good now, but was at its peak back then in my opinion.
He was the best I ever saw. My favorite was Billy Sims.
If you think the 1990s and 2000s were the peak NFL times you would have loved the 1970s and 1980s.
6:35 110 rushing yards…You have to mean TD’s
i am sure that is what he meant.
Looking back, I'm surprised the 1989 Eagles were allowed to place that black stripe of electrical tape on their helmet decal in tribute to quarterbacks coach Doug Scovil, lost to a heart attack.
If I remember correctly, Peyton Manning wanted to wear black high tops for a game after Johnny Unitas died, but the NFL said no. They do seem pretty consistent on uniform tributes and "no no's". Never understood why it's a big deal to league officials
The Colts got less out of Faulk and Dickerson than the Rams
Unfortunately, they, never, knew what they had, to be fair, the Rams got, as, many, SBs, (and, appearances), out of him, as the Colts did, with, Peyton Manning, at least.
I remember this story very well--You explained it so well. This was a really well reported story. Definitely one of those "No Fun League" stories--Yes, you were right. It was never going to happen. The uniform policy has always been so strict and non-negotiable. And you nailed it--Precedence and the future impact was the "bigger picture" of the NFL. As you said, "Where do you draw the line?" in who can and can't do it. So, although I don't agree with the decision in this case, I understand it ....and that's so cool that you actually had conversations with Bud Selig on Griffey and Jackie Robinson on this and other matters too.....and love the Phil Simms socks reminder and the New Kids on the Block reference :). Excellent video!!
Was with you right up to that "slippery slope" argument. Treating all situations the same and not using rational judgment is why the nfl continuously fumbles the ball
Well they must be doing something right, they are the #1 sport.
So a JG9 video that indirectly involves da Bears 2 days in a row. Fun.
funny thing is how much money did the nfl miss out on? think about it after the game make and sell that jersey. you would get non rams fans buying it. i bet it would have been the hottest jersey that year and maybe of all time. as long as you dont do it every year this would be a great idea. good pr and good sales but we all know people at the top can only see numbers that show up on a spread sheet.
If the NFL is supposed to be so strict then how come some running backs and recievers are allowed to wear quaterback numbers such as (10) or(12) I find this to be so strange.
This was changed in the last few years that allowed some players a wider range of numbers to use.
New rule starting last season allowing eligible offensive players to wear any eligible number (can't wear 50-79, possibly no 90s as well but I haven't confirmed that). Before that, there was a more strict number rule. And the WR wearing 10-19 has been a rule for a while.
It used to be that QB, K, and P could wear 1-19, WR 10-19 and 80-89 (was only 80-89 for many years, changed somewhere around 2000, I think), RB could wear 20-49, TE 40-49 (recent change) and 80-89, and OL 50-79.
And beyond that, if people can remember far back enough, centers generally wore 50s, guards wore 60s, and tackles in the 70s (and by extension, ends wore 80s)
Proud to say that Marshall Was my teammate at San Diego State!
Unlike the "No Fun League," the NCAA (!) allowed a college football player to change his number for one game as a tribute. On October 10, 1998, in a game against the Oklahoma Sooners at the Cotton Bowl, Texas Longhorns RB Ricky Williams switched his number from 34 to 37 in honor of legendary SMU Heisman Trophy winner and Pro Football Hall of Famer Doak Walker, who had just passed away on September 27. Williams, who met Walker in 1997 when Ricky won the Doak Walker Award as the nation's premier running back, helped the Longhorns thrash OU 34-3 on his way to winning the Heisman.
Missouri did this one year when a different player wore 25 in 2008. In the Oklahoma State game, it was Chase Daniel doing that. UTEP also did this last season when Hardison, their starting quarterback, wore 2 for the son of Babe Laufenberg (complete with his name on the jersey) who died at a young age. I got confused until the announcers said the reason why.
There is an easy solution to this problem.
What ever position said player played is the only position allowed to wear it in tribute.
Payton played RB therefore only a player playing RB may wear that jersey # for 1 game
If a QB passes away only a QB may wear it and so on and so on.
You avoid confusion and you pay respects to said player
Life is not that complicated people
Simple Solution. NFL makes a public statement announcing Faulk to wear Peyton's jersey ONCE ONLY as a ONE-TIME exception. All future requests are to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis. How many NFL players of Peyton's stature exist? The issue won't come up that often.
Another thing that I admired Walter Payton for was his dedication on plays where he didn’t even touch the ball. He was a phenomenal blocker and never loafed. On and off the field he was the best. I was so disappointed when he didn’t get to score a touchdown in Super Bowl XX. He wasn’t just a class act he was in a class by himself. I wasn’t a Bears fan, but I was always a Walter Payton fan.
RIP Sweetness.
I could be the biggest Walter Payton fan in the world I'd probably cry outta joy for Walter if the NFL honored him like they do Jackie
The foolishness of the NFL when it comes to clothing is that even a coach wearing a coat and tie like Tom Landry is now forbidden. They have to wear that year's NFL-approved tops and trousers for the team. This is just stupid product placement and marketing.
Seeing Marshall made me think how cool would've been to see him in person had the Rams never left LA
If the Colts hadn't, lost, their minds, it wouldn't have mattered, whether, the Rams moved, or, not, simple as that.
@@matthewdaley746 I know but still seeing the Rams winning the SuperBowl in St Louis was weird. Least I saw Marshall couple time at San Diego St especially 1992 vs Miami with some wrestler who didn't do much in WWE
@RetroJR3379 Seeing them, win, in, L.A., was, better, almost as, good, as seeing Tom Brady's horrifically disgusting, good, fortune fall just short, against, them, almost.
@@matthewdaley746 No argument here especially at thier own stadium
@@RetroJR3379 My heart sank when they didn't score at the end of the, first, half, I thought, this will be, ANOTHER, Game where Tom Brady just gets bailed out by fate, fortunately, that didn't happen, make no mistake, between, his lack of composure, Ndamukong Suh's lack of maturity, TWO, kickoffs, out-of-bounds, a, "sparkling," QBR, of, 14, (Matthew Stafford's, was, 68), you, can, say, you're heartbroken that he didn't, win, you, can, say, it sucks that he didn't, win, but, you, ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY, CANNOT, say, that he deserved to, win, the margin of defeat, was, deceptive, it should have been much, worse.
I never liked Peyton Manning much-still don’t really- but I had a lot of respect for him when he wanted to wear black high tops in honor of Johnny Unitas and I thought it was disgraceful that the NFL said no simply because the Colts wear white shoes, not black.
I always, liked, Eli Manning better, because, he, simply, proved that the one thing that all of the, "great," QBs, who would repeatedly, lose, to Tom Brady, had in common, was, fear.
No fun league for sure. So tacky and stupid
Falk and Payton weren't really the same types of players. Especially considering Faulk had prolific receiving seasons.
Absolutely not true. Payton was a known receiving threat out of the backfield his entire career. Also, Faulk and Payton had fairly similar running styles.
Watched Payton since his Jackson State days and Faulk since his SDSU days…
Payton retired leading receiver in bears history might still be ,thrown for 9 tds and was a blocking machine the most complete player ever
The 42 thing is even more widespread than that. On Jackie Robinson Day, each team's *website* will even list all uniformed personnel as #42.
I thought you were going to reveal that the Rams went back on their word briefly before the big swerve. Bravo. Well done.
Walter Payton did everything in his career except score a touchdown in the Super Bowl. Thanks to Mike Ditka.
After Perry's TD, the Bears had the ball on the NE 5 and tried to get Payton a TD. He was stopped for one yard on first down, then there was a holding penalty on second down. They gave Payton the ball on 4th and 11 but he came up short.
@@madmanotl That was because Ditka knew he screwed up. Big time. When he let Perry score the touchdown.
If he had let Walter Payton score that touchdown right then and there. Payton could’ve come out of the game and not even had to of played in the fourth quarter.
And I know they did it during the regular season.
But this is the Super Bowl. This is Walter Payton the senior member of the Chicago Bears. He had played 11 seasons for the team and at the time of the game was the NFL’s all-time leading rusher. He did not have a good game in the Super Bowl, but so what.
And every year the national football league gives an award to a player who they believe is done the most good in their community. That award is called the Walter Payton Man of the year award.
He was great off the field as he was on the field.
The score of the game at the time when they called the play for William Perry. Was 37 to 3 Bears. With four minutes left in the third quarter. The game was over.
The Bears had the ball first down on the Patriots 1 yard line. Given all that, why did Ditka not get the ball to Walter Payton. Even if he didn’t score on that play they had three more chances.
What are the odds that given the score of the game at the time that the patriots were going to be able to keep Walter Payton out of the end zone.
In fact looking back on it given the relationship between Jim McMahon and Mike Ditka, I am surprised that McMiahon did not call timeout when Perry came into the game. And came over to Ditka and say what the f___ Are you doing putting Perry in the game right now.
It would’ve been less insulting to Payton if any one of the other offensive players have scored a touchdown. Like Jim McMahon, Willie Gault, or Matt Suhey.
For all of the reasons and facts I have just laid out anybody that disagrees with me on this is just plain wrong.
@@shackdaddy7106 The time to give Payton the ball was the previous drive. Even though the Patriots defensive plan was to not let Payton beat them, one yard should have not mattered.
@@madmanotl But they didn’t give the ball to Payton on the previous drive. Nor did they give the ball to him when they got down to the one yard line. First down and one to go. He wasn’t even in the game. Perry was.
6:37 I think you meant 110 rushing TD's not yards
I guess the same fun police which tried to block this were also involved in crushing a well-intentioned tribute
Recall a game in the early 70s when Denver's Floyd Little had his #44 uniform not make the road trip to KC.
Believe he wore #5.
AAAAA YOU KNOW THAT IN THE NFL, THE PLAYERS NAMES ARE ON THE BACK OF THEIR JERSEY, RIGHT ?
So, always remember, the name on the front, is a Hell of a lot, more, important, than, the one on the back.
Did you mean to say 110 rushing td's?
Lived in Chicago during the entire Payton era. Very well-done, sir.
The NFL has become worse. God it was for one game people.
I get the rules but in this case I would've made an exception cause Walter Payton was one of the greatest player in NFL history. I go one step futher and allows Faulk and other players who want to honor Payton to wear #34 the rest of 1999 season
Okay, and there is that "but he was one of the greatest players" argument. Once you make an exception for one you are going to potentially have "Well you allowed it for this situation. This player may not have been a Walter Payton but he was my best friend." Suppose there was already a player wearing the number you want to tribute? You going to have two #34's?
Just wear a black arm band or a decal on the helmet. He idolized Payton then he could have just should have gotten the #34 once he got to the Rams since it was available. although it wasn't available in Indianapolis.
Walter Payton was 45 when he died, not 46.
Search engines are conflicted as to whether or not Payton was born in 1953 or 1954. Some say 1954, other sources say 1953
According to Jeff Pearlman in his book "Sweeetness", Payton changed his birthdate on the fly before his senior year of college at Jackson State. Heading into 1974 there was slight talk of Payton contending for the Heisman trophy (a long shot for a HBCU). Payton started claiming July 25th 1954 instead of July 25th 1953 because he believed it would make him a more attractive candidate by being 20 years old. It stuck because record keeping wasn't as diligent and easy to verify back then.
The short answer is born in 1953 and dead at 46 years old.
34 would have looked better than 28.
You got me JG9 at the 10:09 point in the video! I was buying it hook line and sinker! If I was Marshall I would’ve had a special wristband made with #34 on it as a tribute - fines be damned!
It too bad Payton didn't get a chance to score a touchdown in Super Bowl XX.
Actually late in the game after Perry's TD, they tried to get Payton a touchdown by giving him the ball inside the five but the first time he was stopped, the second there was a holding penalty and on fourth down, he was stopped short.
A huge Payton fan so his loss hurt and sucked they couldn't let Faulk do this considering what a legend Walter was.
Actually the Rams gave up a 2nd rounder and a 5th rounder to the Colts for Faulk.
I loved the gesture and would have loved to see it, I do agree with what the NFL said (this 1 time).
It reminds me of Jerry Glanville's take on it (and I die laughing every time). 'Not For Long', unfortunately, was how long Faulk's request lasted.
The jersey issue is all about marketing.
funny how baseball, the game of statistics, is the one where numbers don't even matter....;makes you wonder why they even wear them still
Wearing decals on helmets is sufficient enough.
Payton's style was unique much like Marcus Allen Barry Sanders Eatl Campbell or Bo Jackson
Yep. Not sure if I agree with him saying Payton and Faulk had similar running styles....Payton would punish defenders never running out of bounds and had a wicked stiff arm. You see in these highlights how Faulk would run out of bounds rather than dip the shoulder.. no criticism on Faulk of course. But that’s way different from payton
(Underhanded sarcasm) but I thought slippery slopes didn’t exist…..
Speaking of which, never, mistake, "didn't happen," for, "won't happen," when, the, SB, was, in New York City, no local acts would perform there, (Bruno Mars, was, literally, The, Final Option), because, they claimed weather would ruin things, the Game, was, completed, without, blizzards, THE, VERY NEXT DAY, the area, was, blanketed, with, snow, I'm fairly certain a cold locale will, never, host, the, SB, again.
I was probably one of the few people that wasn't a Payton fan he was great no doubt he just didn't do it for me but I was a big Faulk fan.
Mike Ditka, wasn't, either, though, his callousness in the locker room, after, SB 20, was, a total disgrace, blood simple.
@@matthewdaley746 I read Payton’s biography written by Jeff pearlman. Payton was really hurt about that SB td fiasco. Payton carried that franchise for about a decade before that SB thru losing seasons and very poor o-line and QB play. Payton shoulda got the first 2 TDS not the Fridge....
Not to challenge you at all....just curious. What abt Payton didn’t you like?
@@crittoneida958 I read it, too, and, while, I feel for him, NO PLAYER, is, "owed," a, SB, TD, just ask Curtis Martin, he scored, one, in a, losing, effort, and, adding insult to injury, he went to a Jets team that, NEVER, came close to a, SB, and, the Patriots, became a, Dynasty, without, him, ecstatic that Walter Payton's agent told him to grow up.
@@crittoneida958 Possible, Packers, fan, apparently.
If I'm in charge of drafting All Time RB's:
1. Marshall Faulk
2. Barry Sanders
3. Walter Payton.
It didn't matter what number Faulk wore, a soon as you saw him run you would have known it was him.
Faulk was traded for a 2 and a 5, not a 1st round pick
Good catch. Error on my part. Just updated the description
Walter Payton is the best all around back I've ever seen.... Marshall Faulk is probably closest to Walter I've seen! You gotta remember Payton played 13 seasons and missed 1 game... INSANE!!!
I’m a Bears fan. I always admired Marshall Faulk. I even had his Nike Colts poster up in my room (maybe, maybe, maybe not) 🐻⬇️
Always icky to see Griffey in that reds uniform
I wish he could’ve spent his whole career in Seattle but he deserved a lot better than to play for a club like the Mariners. But the Reds, really? If he had to leave Seattle, I wish it would’ve been anywhere other than the Reds.
I forgot he got traded from Seattle to Cincy.
@@D0ugh.B0y deserved better than being the most beloved player in the francises history and literally saving a sports franchise? Also being the most popular player in the league years? No player deserves anything. And if your measuring stick is based on playoff success then Ted Williams, ernie banks, Tony Gwynn, Carl yartrzemski, etc...
@@videonut1988 at least he was for real about taking less money to go home, unlike some other m's first overall pick
@@kielmaguire5121 Too bad his body turned into glass, right, after, the trade, he should have broken Hank Aaron's record, (legitimately), ironically, he did make the Playoffs, with, the 2008 White Sox, the 2005 team, won, 99 Games, went, 11-1, in the Playoffs, (including a Sweep of The, Defending-Champion, Red Sox), yet, was, basically, forgotten, except, for, that 2008 team, they didn't do anything, and, quickly, fell apart, 2020-2021, was, the, first, time in their history that they had consecutive Playoff appearances.
If it meant that much to Faulk, he should've wore it anyway and paid the fine. If the $1500 fine is something to compare to, surely he wouldn't be hit with more than a few thousand bucks, something a multi millionaire could handle. And if the NFL wanted to butt heads and hit him with a hefty fine, the bad publicity would've been a nightmare for em. Headlines: "Future HOFer and all time greats fined heavily by the NFL for honoring one of the leagues greatest players by wearing his jersey #". Or something a bit shorter but to the same point.
We miss you Sweetness 🧡 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Playback speed 2X to make this guy's cadence listenable, you're welcome
@ 6:35 110 rushing yards?
Though I never liked the ruling that was made in the situation, it makes sense for the NFL to not allow players to change their uniform number during a season for any reason.
Faulk was good, but nowhere near Walter
110 Rushing Touchdowns, not rushing yards (6:36).
Payton did not always do things the right way. He was a human being, and made some serious mistakes.
His behavior during and after his only Super Bowl appearance was shameful.
Read: Sweetness: The Enigmatic Life of Walter Payton.
Tagiabue was a terrible commissioner and there is no evidence that the NFL was sympathetic to Faulk's cause.
No, I don't get the idea at 13:50. Baseball has worked it out, and so can Football.
it may suck but its a rule. you can't change it or else it will be taken advantage of. nfl/bears had their tributes. nhl had two all time great rw's die during this past season. nhl teams had a moment before their games after it. isles and habs had their own tributes before their games and put numbers on their jerseys. habs treat their deceased greats with state funerals. and players wore the number during tributes and during pre game skate. nfl put out the memo last fall for all teams to honour madden too. and the greatest tribute to payton was when barry who was closing in on his yardage record cited not wanting to break payton's record as one of the reasons for his sudden 'retirement'.
That's the reason he gave, I think the Lions torpedoing a proposed trade to the Dolphins, was, the, last, straw, and, he decided he, was, through, putting his neck on the line, for, them.
@@matthewdaley746 yep that could have been too. phins making that move in marino's final season. it really came down to barry had lost faith lions would build a winner late in his career at that point and in good shape at 30. and bobby ross bringing in the fb didn't help.
@stevenbauer4799 The, Ford Family, once, again, truly, blew it, they didn't want to see history made in, another, uniform, so, it, wasn't, made, at all.
@@matthewdaley746 yep. wouldn't have wanted to see barry in another uni at all. probably wanted to be a boy being from ok. but they still had emmitt.
@@stevenbauer4799 Calvin, Johnson, later, example.
I know typically the number is the best shorthand way to honor a legendary player, but maybe the players could've changed the name on the uniform to "Peyton", but kept their original number. That way they would honor someone, but there wouldn't be as much confusion.
I'm curious, how does one have a personal chat with Bud fucking Selig and discuss his thoughts on Jackie fucking Robinson and Ken fucking Griffey Jr?
I really wish you'd do an AMA or a video about yourself because I feel like there's so much interesting stuff about you we don't know
This isn’t my full time job yet, as for the time being, I’m a law student at ASU. One of the classes that you can take is a class about baseball in society, and it’s taught by Commissioner Selig. Incredible experience
I also do a Q&A stream on Twitch every week (during football season, it’s immediately after the SNF game ends), so I answer anything and everything on there as well!
I agree with the NFL's ruling. There were plenty of tributes made the week of Payton's passing (ceremony at Soldier Field) and permanent ones afterwards (Walter Payton man of the year award).
It's a slippery slope if you allow it here. Where would you say "no" then. The list of scenarios is endless and then drags the whole tribute into quagmire. Then there is the remote possibility someone uses it for competitive advantages. Changing uniform numbers midseason could cause confusion for the opposition.
Best player on the Rams in 1999, Orlando Pace, but I can see why people say Marshall Faulk because he was one hell of a versatile RB much like Walter Payton although Payton was a much better blocker. Yeah I am that guy that always says the Left Tackle is the best player if the LT on the team is great which Orlando Pace was.
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Who the fuck is Walter paden? I’ve heard of Walter Payton