A month ago bought a 24 Palisade Calligraphy. It is the most quiet vehicle my family owned. No wind noise and minimum road noise.The tires that come with suv are Hankook and require a break in period with miles on them. If you switch to Michelin tires, they are even quieter. I am a professional mechanical engineer in manufacturing and don’t agree some of the things mentioned in this review. The engine in the Palisade, has been around for many years and even used in Hyundai Genesis models back in the day before Genesis became a separate brand. There has been some revisions made on this engine and it runs very quiet and smooth, even in the winter. Before my purchase, i reviewed all the competition, including Toyota Grand Highlander, Honda Pilot and the Mazda CX90. Thanking god, for me, money was not an issue due to buying it with cash with no payments. I ended with up with the Palisade because it offers the best for the money, in fact it’s hard to believe this suv doesn’t cost more than $60,000. To me, manufacturing in Korea was also a plus. Hyundai makes their own steel and most of their electronics (samsung), they don’t import them like other manufacturers do. That is why the price is lower. Very happy with the purchase and will buy it again, hopefully a hybrid powertrain in the future.
I picked up a '23 Palisade Calligraphy a year and a half ago. Best vehicle I've ever owned and I've owned many! I added an aftermarket wireless Android Auto module since it didn't come with it. I also had to beef up the stereo but I do that for every vehicle I purchase.
I had a 23 SEL Premium AWD, hands down the best car I ever owned. I didn’t even need a limited to get almost all the same features, roomy and comfortable. Unfortunately that only lasted for 1 year and 5 months when hit got hit while parked in a parking lot and was deemed totaled since it got hit so hard went off the frame. I wanted another one easily but my wife wanted hybrid next. Unfortunately there is no palisade hybrids yet, so we went with the Toyota highlander hybrid we got a week ago. So far its a great car since its the regular and not a grand it is a bit on the smaller side which is why i went with the palisade first , its growing on me. Sucks I had to get a limited model just to get 360 camera as with the Hyundai I had that in a SEL premium like the heat and vented seats, you only get that in the front as in the Hyundai you get it in 1st and second rows. But hey both are great quality cars, there is always a trade off somewhere. The plus side its a hybrid and will be saving on gas,
@@john12354 I have a 2013 Hyundai Sonata that's still running perfectly fine. I bought it brand new in 2012. About to take it on a long distance road trip from Florida to Texas.
I had a 2023 Santa Fe Limited, hybrid with major mechanical problems. Some of the dealer could fix others, they chose to ignore. I did something I never do with a new car. I traded it after one year for a Honda. The Santa Fe had a better interior than the Honda but Honda has a better ride and reliability, at least the Honda will they give me good service at 10 years and beyond.
I'm glad that someone's reviewing new cars on their serviceability. Even if the audience may not be DIY-ing as much as they use to on older cars, this helps estimate shop labor, longevity, and possible root-causes of common signs/symptoms.
I understand people don't like the hard plastic seat backs. However the primary market for these suv's are family's and if you have a child behind you having a hard seat back will really help prevent your seat from being kicked in which as an owner of a palisade I really appreciate. Great review!
This Hyundai Palisade is gorgeous; the reviews have been generally positive, but I felt they were incomplete. I greatly appreciate the objective reviews I see on this channel, as such a thing is becoming more and more rare. You present the good, the bad, and the questionable with solid explanations for each, and that is what I want! You’re not trying to steer anyone towards any destination; you’re simply pointing out the facts, filtered through your professional experiences, and allowing your viewers to make their own decisions on the matter. BRAVO! I’m a happy subscriber, and I hope you continue to give us these unbiased reviews.
Let's be honest it can't be a 100% "objective review" coming from a toyota service, and it would be the same case for a hyundai service guy reviewing a toyota, it always gonna be bias to their own brands/then countries brands Japan/Korea.
More reviews like this will catapult you straight to 1 million subscribers. This is what is surely missing in UA-cam car reviews. We care about luxury, comfort, quietness, power, safety, features, sound systems and long term RELIABILITY. We don’t care about exhaust noise, steering feedback and other “sporty” nonsense.
this, so much this. It seems like the average car reviewer is the result of a spoiled kid who just loved Fast and Furious ricers and now has a UA-cam channel (see Matt Maran motoring).
Interesting that CR said this about Palisade noise: "The Palisade is pleasantly quiet with good road and wind isolation. There is an unobjectionable engine hum in the background. The sound character is very similar to the Telluride and more serene than several competing models. SEL models and above get thicker side glass to further reduce noise".
This review was great and exactly what i was looking for. All reviewers talk about how good this car is, no one talks about the mechanical and reliability perspective. Thanks AMD
@@chuckwalla2967 Of course not. It's a 2023 model. Given Hyundai's track record, give it 2-4 years and I wouldn't be surprised if his speculations come true.
@@chuckwalla2967 When you are investing almost $60K in a Calligraphy, it is good to know what goes inside. On the Palisade forums i see there are a lot of quality issues reported. Someone reported that their car had name "SADEPALI" on the back because of production mistake , it wasn't even noticed till the time of delivery. If this is the case about obvious things, god knows what quality goes in. I kind of equate Hyundai to Samsung products , glossy and full of best features but once you start using them they just fall apart too fast.
@@dhurisunil I am typing this on a Samsung S-8 phone that is about 7 years old, and still works well. See the Carsthatlast videos for older vehicles that tend to be more reliable. If a design has only been sold for 3 years so far, very little is known about reliability at 200 thousand miles plus. Like everything human, some lie and some exaggerate, ask around for ratings. Also look at resale value, the vehicles with a better reputation are worth more used. I looked into buying a used Lexus, and for the one I wanted it had to have over 100 thousand miles to get the price down to a similar Mazda with 15 thousand miles. Mazda reputation is held down by their previous rotary engines and automatic transmissions, that have been dropped or improved since about 2012.
Man, this was an incredible review. Nobody dives deep into the internal mechanics that I've seen so far! Please keep up the good work and I look forward to more of your content!
I have to say this is a refreshingly detailed review of a vehicle. The details related to the engine, exhaust and suspension, the important info about the plastic oil filter mount...this type of info is what make this review stand out. You know when you have content like this no one has to beg or ask for a subsciption or a like. Keep up the good work
It is a great review.. but many german cars have plastic oil filter housing, the big shock is because its rated for 5,000lb towing.. its one POV but its nice to see a thorough review
You have confirmed what I always thought about these SUVs. They can give you such interiors because they cut cost on mechanical. People love shiny things, and people generally don't know about engines, transmissions and their history.
After watching several of your reviews recently I am beginning to see how I need to move on from the dozen or so other car reviewers that I have highly regarded. You Sir have earned position Number 1 in my car reviewer hit parade. Keep'em coming! Thanks!
@@jaqueitch all the flaws he mentioned are potential problems. He has no idea those mentioned parts will go bad or cause problems. That’s not how Toyota did it, so it’s bad. That’s his philosophy. Get a clue!!!
Mr. Car Care Nut, I think you got something here. This is a niche, your ability to perform an unbiased technical review. Much deeper than Savagegeese’s attempt. Keep it up and in no time your channel will be the last step people go to before finally deciding to buy a new or pre-owned car. 👊🏼👍🏻
Yes definitely. It’s nice and in depth, I feel like savagegeese used to do longer videos that were more technical but those parts have been stripped out of newer videos with the same information available nowhere else like description and website. I appreciate how this is much more in depth
CCN for Engine/Reliability talk, SavageGeese for enthusiast driving impressions and more knowledge on competitive models (team of two and have been reviewing cars for longer).
This is what many of us were looking for! Not what the car appears to be the first 30K miles but longevity and long-term consequences of owning the vehicle. Keep it up and we'll keep watching! Just subscribed.
I'm not sure I buy it though because previous hyundai vehicles that used the lambda 2 engines have actually had good consumer reports with their engines and not many failures even past 200k miles so I'm not sure what's up with the unnecessary hate towards the powertrain. he'll most definitely be eating his words about that one.
Great review. I just purchased a 2023 Palisade Caligraphy and absolutely love it. I am 75 and like the luxury of a Cadillac so you know where I am coming from. I also have 4 grandchildren and want to have the space of a 3 row SUV. The Palisade blew me away for what I was paying for. Great interior with lots of space and very good technology that greatly exceeded my expectations. The ride quality and performance of the V6 are totally acceptable for what I need. I learned a lot from your video on the engine (hydraulic lifters and carbon build-up) and it does concern me, but the car is garaged (I live in Chicago) so hopefully it won't be a huge problem. The 60,000 mile bumper-to-bumper warranty and 100,000 mile drive train warranty, might help mitigate the problem.
@Kphillips - Direct injection systems require premium fuel (91octane +) I worked for Lexus for over 13 years. When the direct injection system was implemented in Lexus vehicles, we had the same issue with direct injection. As it turns out, people were using regular octane fuel, when they should have been using premium gas. I’m sure that if you use premium fuel you’ll avoid those direct injection issues. Direct injection requires premium fuel. Happy travels sir 👍🏼
It definitely. Needs premium.....if keeping car more than 5 years....fill all GDI cars with premium no matter what theanufacturer says, they wanna sell car, saying premium required kills alot of buyers.
Scotty hates small turbocharged engines, his preference is for larger naturally aspirated 6 cylinder engines that may be more old school proven technology.
This channel really provides professional reviews that really help people make good vehicles purchase decisions unlike those UA-cam videos that only discuss the look of the car and take it for a spin, keep up the good work my friend, can’t wait for the next episode.
Bought the 2020 sel new model and have put on 90k miles on the odometer so far this suv has been the most reliable i have ever bought other than normal maintenance (spark plugs and raptured radiator hose ,brake pads ) i absolutely love it .
I absolutely love how the review steps away from the usual 'test drive' or short-term view. Typical reviews don't consider maintenance costs which include how something can break, or how easily or how difficult it is to replace certain parts. Great stuff!
The problem is that most of the information he presents about reliability are wrong. Plus Hyundai offers a 10 year - 100K mile warranty on the powertrain.
@@mottom2657 No the warranty does not automatically make the car more reliable. Initially back 30 years ago they started that 10 year - 100K mile warranty (offered in USA only) because Hyundai had a reputation of being unreliable, which was true at time. By offering the warranty they forced themselves to make better cars, and if you look at at the rating agencies who measure reliability now, they have good reliability. I have a 2009 Hyundai Genesis with the 3.8L V6 and it has been extremely reliable (but only 80K miles), far better than my 2 Toyotas. But regardless, having the warranty is better than not having it, so long as Hyundai honors the warranty, and in my experience being on many Hyundai owner forums Hyundai does honor their warranties just as good as anyone else. In terms of unit sales, Hyundai is now the 3rd largest automaker in the world only behind Volkswagen and Toyota. Back in 1960's anything made in Japan was junk, but they turned that around. Same has happened in Korea in the last 15-20 years with brands like LG, Samsung, and Hyundai. If people want to live their live looking at the world in their rear-view mirror, I think they are making a mistake, but not my problem. Up until recently the Palisade has been in such demand that dealers have been getting $5K over MSRP for the higher trim levels, and I am hoping that demand moderates and prices come down.
They did, fabric engineer. Its a hyundia after all. Kill in Action (KIA) and this brand is all looks no go LOL. What we need is a interior of a Mercedes and and reliability of Toyota and add tech of Tesla.
He is a Toyota mechanic. None of his comments had any serious validity, except maybe about carbon buildup in all GDI engines. For example, BMW, MB, and Audi use the same kind of plastic filter housing as Hyundai, which are far superior to the poorly machined metal ones used by Toyota.
@@internalharm the criterias you mentioned are the 3 points of a triangle. A manufacturer can only stay on a line between 2 of the points. You take 2 you sacrifice the third.
Manufactures would never do that. Cars are no longer built to last they want you to be wowed at vehicle purchase, spend half of your life and pay check in their service and parts department over ownership, then be dumb enough to return to them and buy an even newer and shinier POS....then rinse and repeat.....
I have a 2022 palisade calligraphy with about 47k miles. I don't notice much road noise on or off the highway. My previous car was a Volvo s60, which I enjoyed driving, but was too small for my daily needs. I really enjoy the palisade as a daily driver. I'm not really worried about the engine, or transmission because I will buy something newer long before the warranty is up.
This video influenced me so much that I decided today to upgrade from my Santa Fe to a Palisade. Thanks so much for the clarity on what is "not the end of the world", ok, good and great... The mechanics explanation was very cool: thanks!!!
@@imnotusingmyrealname4566 because the overwhelming majority of manufacturers have moved to hydraulic lifters as well as dual direct and port injection to keep the valves clean. its covered in plastic and runs hot, which is especially egregious with the housing around the oil filter that will inevitably leak. this isn't some port injected, reliable tried and true engine that you're getting as a trade off for it's age; this is a bad design from 15-20 years ago that other manufacturers already learned their lessons from while hyundai is still selling it and having to throw significant warranty promises to bait people in
@@sly9263 On the contrary being some what old school is a good thing.. the plastic filter housing has been used on other previous models and surprisingly haven't been a problem .. one good thing if u get some DIY'er that ruin the threads on the housing its so cheap to replace without the need for sealant, cleaning or mess, it bolts on and off in lineral minutes
@@sly9263 this engine design is not from 15 years ago 😂😅 its way newer .. let be clear lower viscosity oil can be agood however one trade off is that they have a higher rate of burn off.. thus a catch 22 for those who never like check their oil especially has the engine wears in
I purchased the 2023 Palisade in June of 2023. It's been in the shop three times. First time a code pop on the dash. Second time the vehicle turned itself off in traffic. Third time it wouldn't accelerate in traffic. It's been at dealership in Clarksville, TN for three weeks and it still has not been seen by mechanic. Purchased the vehicle to transport my disabled kids to doctors' appointments but now I just think it's dangerous to my family. If I could do it again I would have never purchased this suv.
Absolutely stellar review!👍 Americans love old fashioned, long in the tooth, tried and tested V6 engines. Hyundai hit it out of the park for the USA. There is a reason the Pallisade and Telluride SUVs sell like hotcakes and are praised in every US publication. Reliability you say, HA! We dont keep them that long anymore. People like me who hold them for 10+ years are a minority.
We're currently driving a 2011 Sienna and a 2015 Odyssey. Was looking at this and the Telluride, but I feel like the way we abuse our cars is going to prey on all the weaknesses that he pointed out. Odyssey has been a total lemon, but the Sienna has been totally solid. May wait to see what the Grand Highlander is like.
@@cubist12 There is no factual or statistical basis for anything this guy said about Hyundai reliability, other than possibly the carbon build up issue (common to most all GDI engines). He is a Toyota mechanic.
My Sante Fe 2010 has this v6 engine. 260,000 miles and never touched. Same with transmission. Burns a bit of gas. I don’t drink so I can afford a car that does. But not by much. I can pass everything. Never missed a day on the road. AWD Ploughs through snow and mud. What more do you need in a car?
Very excellent points and professional presentation! I would like to mention (as a Toyota/Lexus fanboy) and someone who briefly owned a 2020 Sonata Limited and got burnt, but recently traded in our 2017 MDX (shoddy trans at 101k) for a gently used 2021 Palisade, I prefer the "old-school" PT solely because at this point their 3.8L NA V-6 and 8-spd trans are rather legacy products, but proven and have ideally worked the kinks out compared to their newer applications.
These videos give a high level of information, helps us to see beyond the paint and provides an insight into the manufacturer. Thank you AMD, good video.
@@billytakoho5046 ,even if they're not paid by Hyundai (Savagegeese is a good example),they know something about suspension set-up but nothing about engines & transmissions.After all,almost all other UA-cam reviewers are not mechanics and they sound like academics.
Beware of this vehicle, ive got a 2020 AWD with 38k and its burning oil heavily. Its been towed in twice. We are about to get rid of it due to the run around at the dealer and hyundai corporate.
I very much appreciate AMD and his expert mechanical opinions. This channel is one of the few whose opinions on that level that I trust. I'm not a current Toyota owner, but I'm the original owner of a 2017 Kia Sorento, an engineer, and a shade tree mechanic so I feel qualified to offer my opinion on the reliability of the mechanicals of the power train being discussed here. My Sorento has the Hyundai 3.3l V6 engine. It is the exact same engine in the new Palisade. The only difference is the new V6 has been bored out to give 3.8l vs the 3.3l. part of the reason I settled on the 2017 Sorento was because the 3.3l has a long history with Hyundai and Kia, with few problems. Same goes for their 6 speed transmission, now an 8 speed. Yes, this engine can be viewed as 'old school ' because Hyundai didn't adopt hydraulic lifters, but don't view this as a connection to poor reliability. Many Honda engines also never adopted hydraulic lifters. So you should check valve clearances on Hyundai, Kia, and Honda's. No big deal and done every 100-150k miles. My Sorento at 85k miles has zero top end engine noises that would warrant me thinking It has valve clearance issues. I had my daughter get her 2011 CR-V's valves gapped at the dealer at 160k just for peace of mind and no adjustment was necessary. Understand that these vehicles are well maintained and synthetic oil is used and changed every 4k. Other than routine maintenance on both the Sorento and the CR-V there have been no issues or repairs to these vehicles. The 2017 Sorento drives just as good in 2024 as the day we bought it and lm anticipating we'll get the 200+k miles out of it that we're expecting. One other comment. A great Toyota feature/design/innovation is the GDI and PFI as AMD suggests. Hyundai/Kia have adopted this design on their 2.5l 4 cyl., but not the V6. I suspect it isn't on the V6 because that engine is going to get phased out because of the tightening emission standards, just as was the case with Toyota discontinuing their V6 in 2023. Though Hyundai and Kia V6's don't have the dual fuel injection systems, that isn't reason for me to avoid them since the overall reliability of their V6 has otherwise been excellent.
@@benb2358 Correct, most certainly not objective, since he works (or previously worked for, not sure) for a Toyota dealer as a mechanic. I think he is decent guy, but not an automotive engineer and is clueless when it comes to the way other companies do things, especially those using Mahle oil management systems with a polycarbonate filter cap (which is far superior to the POS system used by Toyota).
I just took the family from Maine to Florida and back in our 23 calligraphy. the highway drive was not loud at all. I have seen with some people have complained about the road noise, but it is not an issue in our vehicle.
Excellent review from a technical perspective! It really shows what Hyundai focuses on and skimps on, which fits what the brand is all about(Fashion over function). Could you do reviews on European cars like Merc and BMW? I especially love the reviews on the engine and under car.
People don't seem to understand that there is no such thing as a free lunch. When I see Kia and Hyundai vehicles offering more features than every other competitor at each price point, I know they must be cutting corners somewhere. They have become experts at cutting the corners nobody, particularly car reviewers, will notice. They allay those concerns with a great warranty, but it turns out getting them to honor warranty repairs is difficult.
@@plmn93 What evidence do you have that Hyundai doesn't honor their 10 year - 100K mile warranty on the powertrain. Having been on some Hyundai owner forums, I would say that is not true, unless the owner did not do the required maintenance (which is basically oil changes).
@@Mityob67 I don't know how old you are, but Japanese cars and electronics were considered junk in the 1960's but they improved. In Korea, LG (Goldstar) and Samsung were once junk, along with Hyundai. They are no longer junk and scientific statistical customer surveys have proved that Hyundai has above average reliability. The guy who made this video is a former Toyota dealer mechanic (not an automotive engineer) and now owns his own shop specializing in Toyota and Lexus, and his comments are totally biased, and often absolutely ridiculous.
I have a 2017 Hyundai Sonata SE with over 135k miles with only two problems electric steering wheel and the coolant thermostat. No engine or transmissions issues at all. I decided to buy a 2021 Santa Fe and it been a great car.
The large number of people that walk into a dealership and fall in love with the interior and gizmos are also oblivious to the value of repairability and long term reliability. Do I really want to stare into my instrument cluster when changing lanes. Hyundai and Kia have figured out this buyer and have focused most of their attention on what people can see. On the other hand you have Honda and Toyota building car that mechanics and owners can appreciate for years to come. What you don’t see doesn’t make it not important as many Hyundai/Kia owners will find out sooner than later. 🎉
100,000 engine recall for catastrophic engine failures on Toyota sounds really like owners and mechanics will appreciate for years to come. To your point, they found out real soon!
Unbiased review with a critical eye is what we as consumers need, not all the other channels who just review with kid gloves.... BRAVO! MORE MORE MORE!
Incredible attention to detail - especially from a mechanical (engine / underside) perspective. Please keep it up - most reviews totally skip that! Please consider reviewing other SUVs (Honda Pilot, BMW X5, Subaru Forester, etc). Keep up the great work! 👍🏽
This guy is a Toyota mechanic, so if it isn't a Toyota he doesn't like it. Most of the claims about being unreliable have not basis is fact and are pure conjecture. For example, BMW, MB, and Audi use plastic oil filter caps like Hyundai. His knowledge outside of the way Toyota does things is very limited and biased.
@@manofsesame3024 The bottom line is that he is wrong about the welds on exhaust system and he is wrong about the plastic (actually polycarbonate) oil filter cap. He is just a mechanic and not an automotive engineer. He worked for a Toyota dealer for many years and now has his own shop specializing in Toyota and Lexus, so his knowledge of other brands is minimal.
Best full review on UA-cam. Keep up your great work. I love the fact you show the underside and discuss long term potential issue in design and all the technical detail. We don’t need to know how sporty the family suv. Your review is on point. Really really well done.
It would be useful if everything he said was correct, but he is a Toyota mechanic and not exactly objective, and many of things he said are just wrong. For example, BMW, MB, and Audi use the same kind of plastic oil filter cap as Hyundai, because they are extremely reliable.
Very detailed review. Specially your review on the engine, transmission and under body is worth noting. Thank you. I was about to buy this car 2025 model. But after going through your review changed my mind.
I made a mistake of buying a brand new 2013 Hyundai Azera limited had the 3.3 V6 GDI I sold my 2003 lexus es300 had 177,000 trouble free miles for this, nothing but issues with the engine with carbon buildup and the vvt and cams and at 39k Hyundai installed new cam phasers and timing chains and tensioner after 20,000 miles of cold start up rattle got so bad it lasted almost 90 seconds, the dealer had tried every method engine flushes, brands of oil, weights of oil, new timing tensioner nothing fixed it. I got almost 6k more trouble free miles and noise was back new phasers and tensioner installed again and last maybe 900 miles and engine was not running right they kept car for 5 weeks and discovered the front cylinders were lower compression by more than 30 percent and one was less than 90psi they got hyundai corporate involved and inspected couple weeks later so they sent in a whole brand new engine was $12,700 was total bill but under warranty, less than 11,000 miles on new engine it started all over again with cold rattle and misfires sold car shortly later never again will i buy a kia or hyundai
I just want to say thank you for the honest reviews. When you speak about a engine either having direct injection or direct and port fuel injection, that is excellent advice because there is very little information when tiring to find this information on the web or from a sales person. Keep up the great reviews and from a former mechanic for over 30 years you do a great job.
I have never seen anyone take time to explain an SUV vehicle the way that you do. I will be coming back for more. This is a great idea to give details on different types of SUV. Thank you!
I have this exact car in white. Drives very nice. I put it on Turo and am planning on retiring it at 90k miles. Transmission still shifts nice at 22k, but has a whine already. Engine in the morning sounds scary. Your review was spot on!
Thank You for your input, Palisade owner ; I would love having an SUV with this appearance that is reliable enough to be worth maintaining for decades (since that is what I personally do with my vehicles rather than retiring them) but alas, much like their Sonata that I passed up on, I can't seem to justify how this can be a long term vehicle for myself or anyone for that matter. To hammer the point home, I never see any of those 4th generation Hyundais still functioning on the road today either. Darn it, Hyundai; Why do you have to make your cars so beautiful, yet so temporary as tin foil?? Lol
@@bentonrp There is no statistical evidence to back up the claim that Hyundai's are less reliable than Toyota or Honda. I am talking about recent models, not those from 30-30 years ago.
@@bentonrp We can look at the statistical reliability of the Palisade powertrain since it was introduced in 2019 model year, which uses the same exact powertrain (Lambda V6 3.8 GDI and 8-speed transmission) as other Hyundai models since 2012. He is a Toyota mechanic who is very biased. For example, BMW, MB, and Audi use the exact same kind of plastic filter housing as Hyundai, which are far superior to the poorly machined metal ones used by Toyota (many complaints about stripped threads on the Toyota ones on various Toyota owner forums).
@@Mark-rw3kw You have some good points; An oil filter housing that needed to be replaced after about a decade because it was plastic is a meager point to complain about. However, "an oil filter housing that shows no intention of reliability built into the design of the auto, because it is plastic" is actually a good point. I don't doubt you when you say Mercedes and Beamers did it. Why are they top of the line then? Probably because of the engine build. These top of the line brands are indeed still susceptible to parts that need to be replaced soon that don't affect performance of the engine, but I don't know what components in Hyundais are built to last. Their engines certainly aren't to the level of Mercedes, Toyota, Honda, or BMWs. On an old Toyota, near everything was built to last. If this guy is biased towards his company of Toyota, he might have good reason to be. I wonder what he thinks of the newer Toyotas that screw up their whole 'dependability reputation' by introducing unproven technology in it like Fuel Flex or their Hybrids. Nowadays, modern Toyotas are cars from just another car company like any other; With planned obsolescence and all.
@@theglowcloud2215 I explained in detail elsewhere in these comments that the guy is a Toyota mechanic working at a Toyota dealer who has no idea what he is talking about. For example, he criticized the “plastic” oil filter cap that is actually polycarbonate and virtually unbreakable and the same one used by BMW, Mercedes, and many other premium brands who use a Mahle Oil Management System. This guy is an idiot who thinks that if it is not the same as the way Toyota does it then in is inferior. Ironically many Toyota owners complain on forums about the poorly machined Toyota filer cap made metal that strips the threads on the oil filter assembly. Almost all of his other comments are equally inane.
Unlike most recent high-end cars (or Cadillacs of the last half-century), the Hyundai/Kia rear auto leveling does not have a separate compressor for the shocks. I believe they've devised a less expensive passive system involving rear shocks that generate lift from vehicle motion when higher loads dictate. I suspect that's why those rear shocks are weirdly large.
Fantastic review! The comment about the interior noise surprised me because I just watched a different video review where a db meter was used, and at highway speeds the Palisade came in at the lower end of the noise spectrum relative to comparable SUVs.
Many Toyota 4 cylinder engines also have a plastic cartridge oil filter housing. Even when properly torqued, they have a tendency to break at the next oil change. I keep spares for my kids’ 2013 Corollas.
I know the pain from my wife’s Corolla! I believe the torque spec is stated as 20 in-lbs on the housing, but it seems that people tighten to 20 ft-lbs, causing it to be almost impossible to remove without breaking it!
I DID learn something today, thank you. Really fascinating insights on this review. I thought the car’s summation as “A sad dream” was absolutely hilarious. Keep up the great work!
Huge thank you for these reviews. The average folk like us have no idea anymore what risks we take when buying cars. The more you expose the more the audience knows what technologies to avoid and what to adopt.
First, let me just say that I love your approach. You’re even tempered, you’re contemplative (asking questions that we, as the buyer, should be asking), and you take a deeper look at vehicles that many channels don’t offer. PLEASE PLEASE keep doing these. I know you are primarily a Japanese geared mechanic (mainly Toyota) - but I appreciate the fact that you don’t stay in the lane. You take an objective look at what other manufacturers are producing and help us with our decision making. And it’s not a “don’t buy this car” sort of statement (although i am sure if that car was horribly engineered and had limited reliability you would say so)… but you leave us with things to consider and little warnings to take note of…..”here are some things that you, as the buyer, may encounter down the road, so just bear that in mind.” A couple things I did want to point out is I would like it if you had some links to other videos on certain parts of the engine to help us understand what it does or what a good way of engineering those parts should look like. There were a couple points during the hood segment where i wasn’t entirely sure what would have made it better and i totally understand that with a video that is already nearly 40 minutes long, you can’t take an extended amount of time to explain simple things on every video…. But a little direction to learning a little more on key things in the engine bay would help. The other thing i wanted to say is that - yes, Hyundai did, technically, cut corners with the rear of the driver and passengers seat with not wrapping the seat fully with leather. But i will say that this is something that I prefer in I mainstream cars. Because a lot of common buyers are going to go after vehicles like this…. And those common buyers who shooting for 3 row seats likely have a decent number of kids - and some may still be in car seats…… rainy, muddy days - messy dirty shoes - right on the back of that nice leather > no thank you. I’m glad they covered it with plastic…. Makes it easier to clean and less stressful to think about the fact that the leather now looks awful or continues to look awful because of those kids in the car seats. From the average consumer - that is something I appreciate… That’s a corner i don’t mind being cut. Let them jump into a Genesis, Lexus… etc if they want a more premium feel.
As you mentioned, Hyundai was not really cutting corners when making the back of seats plastic. Besides, very, very few cars that have leather seats have real leather on the backs of them. Most leather seating "trim" has synthetic leather on the rear and sides of the seats, for almost every manufacturer except maybe those over $100K.
Very surprised that you found highway driving to be noisy. My 2022 Calligraphy is silent around town and quiet on the interstate. I don't remember you showing the storage under the rear floor behind the 3rd row. On my 2020 Toyota Sienna Limited Premium, reliability has been a myth, so I'll take my chances with Hyundai.
I don't think he drove the car, just looked at it. The early Palisade models had a wind noise problem around the outside mirror leaking into the cabin, but that has supposedly been fixed, so your 2022 should be quiet. Also, as you noted, reliability of Toyota has gone downhill, because they do things like specify 0W-16 or 0W-20 motor oil for better fuel economy, but destroys reliability.
I want to compliment you on your extremely detailed care care, maintenance and reviews. I watch many car mechanics, and car reviewers. You are the best of them all. Please keep making videos and posting to UA-cam. I’ve subscribed to your channel, I “Like” your videos and I strongly encourage you to continue reviewing and posting videos about engines, transmissions and cars/trucks in general. You rock my friend!
I bought a Hyundai 2024 palisade calligraphy night edition few month ago and this is a second car from Hyundai which was Santa Fe ,after 180000 miles ,since 2011 . I love every bit of quality Hyundai offered and price I paid for . Thanks for your very intelligent knowledge of car and in-put.
I appreciate your detailed, honest reviews. My problem now is that I fear I will never find a car in my price range that has decent reviews. I'm afraid to buy anything.
Same here. Some people are claiming they have had good experiences with cars, but others have not. I don't want to be the one paying the car note for a car that can't stay out of the shop
I have a 2022 Kia Telluride nightfall, wife has a 2020 Telluride EX model and the best thing about it is how quiet and refined the ride is. Probably the Palisade is louder on the road but I’ve not experienced that in the Telluride. As far as the engine being noisy at start up I have not experienced that plus I’ve seen Tellurides with almost 200k miles on them doing just fine and no engine/transmission issues to date. I do however agree with most of your review except those two things. Again, I have the Kia version and Kia puts more sound deadening and extra features like folding mirrors etc… Toyotas may be more reliable down the road but the new turbo engines Toyota is now introducing in the Highlander and Tundra are causing some issues. Still if I were to consider Toyota in the future I would get a plug in hybrid, never a turbo engine.
I agree. The Telluride was designed for the American market while the Palisade was designed for the Korean market. The Telluride will be fine for the first 100k by that time, most people will trade it in or upgrade to another vehicle.
In my opinion, It's bias to review a Hyundai powertrain while you promote Toyota and Lexus (Competition?). Longevity is the question but it will remain a question until it comes. What do you think is the "preferred" powertrain for the Palisade anyways? Where are the evidence for the new generation Hyundai powertrain that went bad? What is the fix on those cold morning warm up that sounded so loud?
Honestly speaking, the review is excellent and in details. However, in South Africa we have a diesel engine for this car and that is good. I do love to say, you mentioned a lot of things most journalists ignore. They rush to drive cars and they end up misleading people by their comments. You soldom see a journalist looking at under the body of a car. They always talk of what they don't know. But this review is so good that the engineering guys at Hyundai should be able to take notice. This video has helped me before i walk into a car dealer. Am happy to make an informed decision. And am going to share this review to other journalists that they drop their pride and do the right work. And not saying all journalists are selfish or incompetent. Am saying they lack this degree of doing a thoroughly good job. Thanks again my brother. Bless you.
OMG I was looking for reviews like this!! Mechanic's perspective!! Show us what's under the car, what materials they used, and how durable they are. Thank you for doing this review. I would love to see other SUVs and more!!
Looks like a vehicle where lots was invested on looks, on what will appeal to the average buyer, and shortcuts were taken on the mechanical side - what the average buyer won't see or pay attention to.
He says this car is loud inside, every single other instrumented test/review says this car is among the quietest in the segment if not the quietest. And no mention of Toyota and Honda being labeled as lagging in that department.
Has anyone noted, he is a Toyota mechanic. Cannot be a non-biased review. I am sure there are shortcomings in all new vehicles and will believe his comments on Palisade mechanical shortcomings unless similar review is done for Toyota Highlander or Honda Pilot. Hyundai Palisade beats it’s competitors hands down in many aspects starting with looks, features, value for money, space inside, driving pleasure, etc. all independent reviews so far I have seen put the Hyundai Palisade on top in most aspects and yes it may lack in a few aspects compared to other brands in its class
This is the same guy that has candidly shared which Lexus and Toyota models to avoid, and exactly why. He's actually pretty objective IMHO. For example, he has leveled similar direct injection concerns at the Lexus IS250.
New sub, awsome content. The technical aspect of your reviews are awsome. At first I thought I found the official Toyota fan boy channel. The fact that you give unbiased reviews of other manufactures is a great thing. Hoovie ,Kilmer and Wizard are fine for laughs but you are the real deal. God bless you and your family.
Nice review Mate 👍🏻 very honest and Frank in so many ways. Well done. We also love our Palisade, but Australian top spec (similar to US caligraphy) has slightly different options such as we get the auto folding door mirrors and I noticed some features the Aussie model doesn’t have eg 3rd Row heated seats or the power third row. Our AWD are all Diesel and all FWD V6. In my research it’s the best bang for buck model on the (Aussie) market, but we don’t have as many options here, eg Telluride isn’t offered as well as few other notable larger vehicles. Also interested if your “Old tech” comment is relatable to new diesel as it seems to be your biggest Con and most sold here in australia would be sold as the diesel.
Oh man, i'm glad your channel exist. I always wondered how Hyundai and its sister company kept their cars so cheap. Now I'm reconsidering after seeing all of the plastics on this car. Could you do a mechanical review on the new Genesis G70? I want to make sure I don't make the wrong purchase. Thanks!
thats how hyundai and kia have always been- they're dressing up their interiors (nicely I might add) and selling better but the "hidden" cost cutting is still there. your average buyer doesn't care about what they can't see or don't understand. paint quality and thickness is also an ongoing issue for new hyundais.
Do yourself a favor, stay away from Korean cars. They give you lots of bells and whistles but are they reliable? No. Engine problems, electrical problems even they are fairly new...
I considered the G70 (and the sister car, Stinger GT), both AWD. I passed on them both, for a couple of reasons: 1) Bucket style lifters. I'm sorry, I cannot pay that kind of money and not even get hydraulic lifters. I'm not sure how much it'll cost to shim them later, but I'm guessing it isn't cheap. 2) This was the deal breaker - the transfer case fluid cannot be serviced. When the fluid wears out and the car throws an error code, the official service manual says to REPLACE the whole transfer case! At that time, the transfer case was $10k USD, not included is the labor, and not having a loaner as this isn't a warranty issue. Owners still haven't found a satisfactory solution to this. In light of the above, and after seeing Ahmed's review of the Palisade, I'm really wondering what else Hyundai Motor Group cost cut out of the G70 / Stinger GT. I ended up with an IS350. It's one second slower in 0 - 60 than the Stinger GT. I don't care, I'm willing to give up 1s in 0 - 60 and get that Japanese Lexus build quality and reliability, and it is as easy to service as a Camry. It isn't exactly a slow car either, once you figure out how to keep in the lowest gear possible when taking off.
Hyundai has been using that 3.8v6 platform in various models since 2006. It's a solid and smooth engine. Though for a flagship SUV encroaching onto the luxury side, they should have a power output equal to the Genesis drivetrains, though it is higher than the Highlander and Pilot, but the GM platforms have it beat. The fuel economy is decent, but increasing the power output would make it more efficient than the Highlander or Pilot. The Palisade only has an 18-gal fuel tank, for a total range of only 460 miles, that's tiny. The GMC Acadia has a larger fuel tank at 22 gal, more power at 310hp and better fuel economy. While the Palisade might be slightly larger by a few cubic ft, on family road trips when you want a kid or two in the third row, you're going to still need a roof-rack or hitch carrier, because the cargo space behind the third row isn't as large as a full-sized SUV. If you take into account real world use, the GMC Acadia is better on paper, but the Hyundai warranty would be enough for me to sacrifice some power and economy. Plus, at my local Hyundai dealer, you can purchase a lifetime powertrain and lifetime bumper-bumper warranty, which is what I did for my wife's 2020 Santa Fe.
Thank you for the review. I will not be looking at ANY Hyundai or Kia after this review. My Toyota and Lexus have always been amazing. Scotty Kilmer knows best.
It’s shame cause they were good from like 01 to 10 at least it wasn’t that much issues for those years regular multi port injection. It seems tho even the Kona with mpi injection still has issues tho. But it seems once they went gdi in 2011 is when they had issues. Even Honda gdi has issues but I heard it was mostly from the extra pressure from the turbo model.
@@robmalcolm8042 You’re right, the last good year was 2010. I don’t understand people going and buying new Hyundai and Kia’s - seems no one does any research
@@donc6781 I got a palisade with over 14,000 miles but that is still low. May trade for a 4 runner tho depending. It hasn’t gave no issues and I do deep down feel this is the only or of the few models that are reliable but time will tell from people on forums with higher miles most complaints seem minor with not much anything with reliability or engine related. But yeah we’ll see I do have a Toyota Prius that has almost 250,000 miles as well. This guy fails to mention that the palisade has Otto and Atkinson cycle not just one so the engine actually does get two cycles to help clean the gdi. Of course this probably isn’t a obvious thing unless your really familiar with this model but I thought he would of known without assuming it’s just gdi only.
One of the main reasons why I bought a Palisade is because it has "old school engine" that's a good thing people...meaning it won't break down. This is the second Hyundai I bought new and when I sold my first car it had 161k with zero problems.
@aarg2609 I was waiting for a comment like this. FYI I still see my old car on the road running like a champ, because it was sold to my neighbor, and she has 194k with zero problems.
@aarg2609 your missing my point... THE CAR STILL RUNNING. I will try to update you in the near future when the car hits 300k lol I don't know what else to tell you.
I have a 2023 Palisade on order, have owned a 2021 Limited and 2022 Calligraphy prior to this Calligraphy which I will be picking up soon. The guy who did this review did not do these cars justice. My prior two cars were great in every respect. Not an issue with either car. Traded them in for what I paid for one, and a very slight loss on the other. My 2023, will probably turn it in as well before we leave for 4 months this fall and order another. The comfort, excellent. The performance, fuel mileage, superb for this price range. Not one complaint on any of them. There is also an excellent Hyundai Extended Warranty available at a cost. Price is up to the dealer, ranges from $1300 on up. Covers just about 100% of everything for ten years. I pulled a 24' enclosed car hauler with my 2022, no load bars or sway device about 400 miles last year. Trailer was empty, drove at 55 on the 4 lane, no problems. But, would not want to haul it loaded with one of my cars in it. Check it out! It is much better than the review given here.
Really solid car. A family member has a 2022 model and no issues in the 18 months of ownership.There only complaint is it drinks fuel but it's a boxy-shaped, heavy SUV with a big V6 engine, so to be expected! Yes the plastics on the rear of the seats are a cost cutting exercise but also by design. Small kids love to kick up the back of the seats so plastic is a wiser choice, harder wearing and easier to clean!
I love how you went deep on the internals. Your insight as a mechanic provided great information on the reliablity of the car. Thank you for this wonderful review. It makes me reconsider keeping my Palisade long term.
Totally biased reviewer with no proofs but speculations! In another video he was comparing Hyundai hybrid system with Toyota’s one and making utter false statements like Hyundai hybrid system is so sluggish that it takes 2-3 seconds when switching between gas and electric motors. I stopped the video right there. Same with this video too by making it look like a city only car and too noisy for highway. Are you serious? BTW, Hyundai/Kia are #3 worldwide in terms of #of cars sold. And consistently rated high in multiple quality ratings like JD Power.
DUDE!! Thank you for helping me dodge a bullet, I was about 3 weeks away from buying palisade! I was torn between a Palisade and a Highlander, thanks to you, the choice is easy.
Absolutely fantastic review from someone objective who obviously knows what he's talking about. Very thorough and on point with the important stuff. I think you may have done it for Hyundai at around 33:15 though 😊 Hyundai should watch this video and take heed to every single observation. Very well done and thanks for the video. I'm definitely a subscriber and I'm sure that anyone else landing on this channel will be too! 👍🏻
The reviewer here is a Toyota mechanic, and not exactly objective. Hyundai sells more than 4 million vehicles per year worldwide, so I think they have some pretty good engineers.
Thanks for the great review! I took delivery of one of these (Calligraphy) in October and couldn't agree more about the mirrors. The engine noise also varies (even from vehicle to vehicle) as ours is a bit loud after warming up. Through my research they did some improvements for highway noise (rear laminated glass and extra sound deadening material) and we view it as a very quite highway vehicle when compared to the 2018 outback (not hard to beat) and our 2014 Jeep GC (great highway car I use for storm chasing w/ 225k miles). Other small gripes include no sunglass holder (has drop down rear facing fisheye mirror), no entertainment displays in rear and storage space behind third row seats. Overall, we are very please with the car (6k miles so far). If anyone has any questions feel free to reply and I can give my honest opinion. d
God bless you my friend. I sincerely considered the Palisade as I loved the interior. As you mentioned, and I agree, the front compartment left me too many uncertainties. Thank you for what you do, and I pray the Lord continuously bless you.
Thank you AMD for your professional reviews! I'm a fan!! I love seeing car reviews and THIS is the info I REALLY NEED!!! I'm doing research for my next car purchase. You are helping me out tremendously!
Having done 2 valve adjustment jobs on a honda v6, the manually adjustable valves on Palisade instantly put me off. 5w-30 is good thick stuff to get held in by our new low tension oil control rings, mandated for low internal friction. 0-16 might slip right past, causing oil burning & eventually clogged cats. DI, manual valves, and plastic everywhere- by the third owner these engines are GUARANTEED to fall apart or need significant work. :(
We got one 3.0 Accord with 220k miles, and another with 305k miles. I couldn't tell you the last time it ever needed an adjustment. However, from others I have seen with issues, it appears cylinder #5 is a usual suspect issues from no valve adjustments, but that one is easy to get to.
@@midwestfarm757 wow! i love the miles! to be honest, had i not gone in and tried to "make it perfect" the first time, i'd have not needed to correct my errors the second time. 235k on my beloved 3.0 :)
One of the best reviews provided for palisade. Thank you man, I was double minded whether to buy this suv or not but you really changed my mind. Beautiful and graceful.
Great review, 100% valid points on the powertrain. But, I'd love for you to tear into the Highlander and see where they skimped. Our 2022 Platinum doesn't have power folding mirrors either and I think the 'tech' is just absolutely atrocious.
A great unique, in-depth, “under the hood” review of this very nice SUV. I understand that Hyundai wanted to make a few features different than its sister SUV - the Telluride, so they skimped on the power-folding side mirrors as one of the items (Telluride has them). I am anxious to see and watch reviews of the Toyota Grand Highlander that will be part of the upcoming Auto Show in Chicago in February 2023. I may strongly consider the Highlander over this SUV for its known reliability (I currently have a 2007 Avalon which has been a great car!). I would like for you to review the new Grand Highlander when it is released later this year in the same manner you did this Palisade! Take care and many thanks for your honest and thorough reviews !!! 😉
I’m actually moving away from Toyota and considering the Pallisade. I have a 2019 Highlander XLE and had to replace the entire engine practically right before 40,000 miles. From their their have been other issues that have required service but thankfully it’s fully covered up to 70,000 miles. I think the reliability of Toyota is not what it used to be, so do extreme research before going with Toyota in the future.
@@ilsw922 putting out so many cars will have a bad egg … unfortunately you got such bad egg … sorry that happen to you but I wouldn’t paint Toyota red for it
At one time Hyundai owned more than 50% of Kia, but now they only own 33% of Kia. They do have a comprehensive technology and parts sharing agreement between them, but all marketing decisions about what is included in each car are made individually, not in collusion with each other. In fact, the decision to not include power folding mirrors in USA models was made by Hyundai USA, since some of the Korean versions have them.
@@ilsw922 That is because Toyota is going off the deep end with stuff like 0W-16 motor oil (or even 0W-20). Old school is more reliable. German cars use 0W-30 or 0W-40. I can't believe that this Toyota guy is complaining about Hyundai using 5W-30 motor oil (probably because Hyundai offers a 10 year - 100K mile warranty on the powertrain). I was on a Toyota Highlander forum once, and the problems of the Highlander far exceed the problems of the Palisade.
A month ago bought a 24 Palisade Calligraphy. It is the most quiet vehicle my family owned. No wind noise and minimum road noise.The tires that come with suv are Hankook and require a break in period with miles on them. If you switch to Michelin tires, they are even quieter.
I am a professional mechanical engineer in manufacturing and don’t agree some of the things mentioned in this review. The engine in the Palisade, has been around for many years and even used in Hyundai Genesis models back in the day before Genesis became a separate brand. There has been some revisions made on this engine and it runs very quiet and smooth, even in the winter.
Before my purchase, i reviewed all the competition, including Toyota Grand Highlander, Honda Pilot and the Mazda CX90. Thanking god, for me, money was not an issue due to buying it with cash with no payments. I ended with up with the Palisade because it offers the best for the money, in fact it’s hard to believe this suv doesn’t cost more than $60,000. To me, manufacturing in Korea was also a plus. Hyundai makes their own steel and most of their electronics (samsung), they don’t import them like other manufacturers do. That is why the price is lower.
Very happy with the purchase and will buy it again, hopefully a hybrid powertrain in the future.
Thank you I'm actually trading my 22 genesis this weekend and jumping into a 24 palisade
I picked up a '23 Palisade Calligraphy a year and a half ago. Best vehicle I've ever owned and I've owned many! I added an aftermarket wireless Android Auto module since it didn't come with it. I also had to beef up the stereo but I do that for every vehicle I purchase.
Did you hear about the recall for engine replacement
@03kwam65 no why don't you elaborate on that.
I had a 23 SEL Premium AWD, hands down the best car I ever owned. I didn’t even need a limited to get almost all the same features, roomy and comfortable. Unfortunately that only lasted for 1 year and 5 months when hit got hit while parked in a parking lot and was deemed totaled since it got hit so hard went off the frame. I wanted another one easily but my wife wanted hybrid next. Unfortunately there is no palisade hybrids yet, so we went with the Toyota highlander hybrid we got a week ago. So far its a great car since its the regular and not a grand it is a bit on the smaller side which is why i went with the palisade first , its growing on me. Sucks I had to get a limited model just to get 360 camera as with the Hyundai I had that in a SEL premium like the heat and vented seats, you only get that in the front as in the Hyundai you get it in 1st and second rows. But hey both are great quality cars, there is always a trade off somewhere. The plus side its a hybrid and will be saving on gas,
My dad has been a auto mechanic since he was 20. He’s 80 now. He just bought one of these. And he loves it.
longevity and reliability don't really matter to him at 80
@@john12354 I have a 2013 Hyundai Sonata that's still running perfectly fine. I bought it brand new in 2012.
About to take it on a long distance road trip from Florida to Texas.
I had a 2023 Santa Fe Limited, hybrid with major mechanical problems. Some of the dealer could fix others, they chose to ignore. I did something I never do with a new car. I traded it after one year for a Honda. The Santa Fe had a better interior than the Honda but Honda has a better ride and reliability, at least the Honda will they give me good service at 10 years and beyond.
His purchase must signs of dementia
I'm glad that someone's reviewing new cars on their serviceability. Even if the audience may not be DIY-ing as much as they use to on older cars, this helps estimate shop labor, longevity, and possible root-causes of common signs/symptoms.
Very unique niche compared to other reviewers, this guy is my favorite reveiwer now by far.
I understand people don't like the hard plastic seat backs. However the primary market for these suv's are family's and if you have a child behind you having a hard seat back will really help prevent your seat from being kicked in which as an owner of a palisade I really appreciate.
Great review!
True, Just the colour could have been matched. Black shows foot prints so easy.
This Hyundai Palisade is gorgeous; the reviews have been generally positive, but I felt they were incomplete. I greatly appreciate the objective reviews I see on this channel, as such a thing is becoming more and more rare. You present the good, the bad, and the questionable with solid explanations for each, and that is what I want! You’re not trying to steer anyone towards any destination; you’re simply pointing out the facts, filtered through your professional experiences, and allowing your viewers to make their own decisions on the matter. BRAVO! I’m a happy subscriber, and I hope you continue to give us these unbiased reviews.
Incomplete for what? So palisade is not reliable due to engine if you meant this video is complete?
@@akhere07probably means the Palisade is incomplete, not the review
@@tlewatchanon9486Clearly the commenter stated that the other reviews were incomplete, and was not indicating the Palisade (although it may be).
@@cablebrain9691 you were right, my bad
Let's be honest it can't be a 100% "objective review" coming from a toyota service, and it would be the same case for a hyundai service guy reviewing a toyota, it always gonna be bias to their own brands/then countries brands Japan/Korea.
More reviews like this will catapult you straight to 1 million subscribers. This is what is surely missing in UA-cam car reviews. We care about luxury, comfort, quietness, power, safety, features, sound systems and long term RELIABILITY. We don’t care about exhaust noise, steering feedback and other “sporty” nonsense.
this, so much this. It seems like the average car reviewer is the result of a spoiled kid who just loved Fast and Furious ricers and now has a UA-cam channel (see Matt Maran motoring).
@@mulleygraves What about him? He likes to actually drive cars.
This is anti-enthusiasm if I ever see it.
Why’d you buy it in the first place if you didn’t care about all those things?
Interesting that CR said this about Palisade noise: "The Palisade is pleasantly quiet with good road and wind isolation. There is an unobjectionable engine hum in the background. The sound character is very similar to the Telluride and more serene than several competing models. SEL models and above get thicker side glass to further reduce noise".
This review was great and exactly what i was looking for. All reviewers talk about how good this car is, no one talks about the mechanical and reliability perspective. Thanks AMD
But his raised concerns are just speculations on his part, not actual facts.
@@chuckwalla2967 Of course not. It's a 2023 model. Given Hyundai's track record, give it 2-4 years and I wouldn't be surprised if his speculations come true.
@@chuckwalla2967 When you are investing almost $60K in a Calligraphy, it is good to know what goes inside. On the Palisade forums i see there are a lot of quality issues reported. Someone reported that their car had name "SADEPALI" on the back because of production mistake , it wasn't even noticed till the time of delivery. If this is the case about obvious things, god knows what quality goes in. I kind of equate Hyundai to Samsung products , glossy and full of best features but once you start using them they just fall apart too fast.
@@dhurisunil I am typing this on a Samsung S-8 phone that is about 7 years old, and still works well. See the Carsthatlast videos for older vehicles that tend to be more reliable. If a design has only been sold for 3 years so far, very little is known about reliability at 200 thousand miles plus. Like everything human, some lie and some exaggerate, ask around for ratings. Also look at resale value, the vehicles with a better reputation are worth more used. I looked into buying a used Lexus, and for the one I wanted it had to have over 100 thousand miles to get the price down to a similar Mazda with 15 thousand miles. Mazda reputation is held down by their previous rotary engines and automatic transmissions, that have been dropped or improved since about 2012.
@@jeffruebens8355 thanks good to know Samsung has improved. I used to have am S3 which fell apart within a year . True regarding resale values
Man, this was an incredible review. Nobody dives deep into the internal mechanics that I've seen so far! Please keep up the good work and I look forward to more of your content!
I have to say this is a refreshingly detailed review of a vehicle. The details related to the engine, exhaust and suspension, the important info about the plastic oil filter mount...this type of info is what make this review stand out. You know when you have content like this no one has to beg or ask for a subsciption or a like. Keep up the good work
It is a great review.. but many german cars have plastic oil filter housing, the big shock is because its rated for 5,000lb towing.. its one POV but its nice to see a thorough review
You have confirmed what I always thought about these SUVs. They can give you such interiors because they cut cost on mechanical. People love shiny things, and people generally don't know about engines, transmissions and their history.
After watching several of your reviews recently I am beginning to see how I need to move on from the dozen or so other car reviewers that I have highly regarded. You Sir have earned position Number 1 in my car reviewer hit parade. Keep'em coming! Thanks!
Definitely a "detail oriented" guy 👍
@@jaqueitch 8:06
He is just another Toyota fan boy. He just bought a Lexus GX lol, an overpriced rip off Toyota rattle box with leather seats and useless navigation
@@Arcticfox7 you're the only one who I've ever heard say anything negative about this guy. He is the best out there
@@jaqueitch all the flaws he mentioned are potential problems. He has no idea those mentioned parts will go bad or cause problems. That’s not how Toyota did it, so it’s bad. That’s his philosophy.
Get a clue!!!
Mr. Car Care Nut, I think you got something here. This is a niche, your ability to perform an unbiased technical review. Much deeper than Savagegeese’s attempt. Keep it up and in no time your channel will be the last step people go to before finally deciding to buy a new or pre-owned car. 👊🏼👍🏻
Yes definitely. It’s nice and in depth, I feel like savagegeese used to do longer videos that were more technical but those parts have been stripped out of newer videos with the same information available nowhere else like description and website.
I appreciate how this is much more in depth
@@davewilson7602 it’s definitely got some bias in here not only that I don’t think he knows this is Hyundais most reliable powertraim combo
Does he still do the audio system analysis? It was the only resource for comparison out there.
These are good videos but are maybe Asian vehicle specific. American and German products maybe absent for obvious reasons.
CCN for Engine/Reliability talk, SavageGeese for enthusiast driving impressions and more knowledge on competitive models (team of two and have been reviewing cars for longer).
This is what many of us were looking for! Not what the car appears to be the first 30K miles but longevity and long-term consequences of owning the vehicle. Keep it up and we'll keep watching! Just subscribed.
I'm not sure I buy it though because previous hyundai vehicles that used the lambda 2 engines have actually had good consumer reports with their engines and not many failures even past 200k miles so I'm not sure what's up with the unnecessary hate towards the powertrain. he'll most definitely be eating his words about that one.
@Bryan_Hunt hes a machanic that works on the engines and studys common engin failures...he is not paid by hyundai like those consumer report websites,
@@Tragick_Sin How is consumer reports paid? You just made that up.
Great review. I just purchased a 2023 Palisade Caligraphy and absolutely love it. I am 75 and like the luxury of a Cadillac so you know where I am coming from. I also have 4 grandchildren and want to have the space of a 3 row SUV. The Palisade blew me away for what I was paying for. Great interior with lots of space and very good technology that greatly exceeded my expectations. The ride quality and performance of the V6 are totally acceptable for what I need. I learned a lot from your video on the engine (hydraulic lifters and carbon build-up) and it does concern me, but the car is garaged (I live in Chicago) so hopefully it won't be a huge problem. The 60,000 mile bumper-to-bumper warranty and 100,000 mile drive train warranty, might help mitigate the problem.
@Kphillips - Direct injection systems require premium fuel (91octane +)
I worked for Lexus for over 13 years.
When the direct injection system was implemented in Lexus vehicles, we had the same issue with direct injection. As it turns out, people were using regular octane fuel, when they should have been using premium gas.
I’m sure that if you use premium fuel you’ll avoid those direct injection issues. Direct injection requires premium fuel.
Happy travels sir 👍🏼
Very interesting I have never considered this
@@ralphlazio505Lexus owner manuals claim that normal fuel is completely okay for the engine. It’s optional, but it probably helps
It definitely. Needs premium.....if keeping car more than 5 years....fill all GDI cars with premium no matter what theanufacturer says, they wanna sell car, saying premium required kills alot of buyers.
@@ralphlazio505 What about using fuel injector cleaners every so often? Will that be the same as using premium fuel and reduce carbon?
One of the best reviews out there. Please man, do the 2023 Pilot when possible.
Yes, please review the 2023 pilot! Deciding on the 23 Pilot Touring vs. The 22 Palisade Calligraphy
Scotty will LOVE your review, especially the final conclusion. Lol. Honesty but polite opinion from a Master Technician, good job.
Scotty hates small turbocharged engines, his preference is for larger naturally aspirated 6 cylinder engines that may be more old school proven technology.
Whi gives a F what a old scotty has to say u scotty sheeps
Scott doesn't know everything
This channel really provides professional reviews that really help people make good vehicles purchase decisions unlike those UA-cam videos that only discuss the look of the car and take it for a spin, keep up the good work my friend, can’t wait for the next episode.
Probably the best car reviewer I have seen. This is exactly what someone who does research on car wants before making the purchase.
Bought the 2020 sel new model and have put on 90k miles on the odometer so far this suv has been the most reliable i have ever bought other than normal maintenance (spark plugs and raptured radiator hose ,brake pads ) i absolutely love it .
I absolutely love how the review steps away from the usual 'test drive' or short-term view. Typical reviews don't consider maintenance costs which include how something can break, or how easily or how difficult it is to replace certain parts. Great stuff!
The problem is that most of the information he presents about reliability are wrong. Plus Hyundai offers a 10 year - 100K mile warranty on the powertrain.
@@Mark-rw3kw Does a larger warranty automatically translate into higher reliability?
@@mottom2657 No the warranty does not automatically make the car more reliable. Initially back 30 years ago they started that 10 year - 100K mile warranty (offered in USA only) because Hyundai had a reputation of being unreliable, which was true at time. By offering the warranty they forced themselves to make better cars, and if you look at at the rating agencies who measure reliability now, they have good reliability. I have a 2009 Hyundai Genesis with the 3.8L V6 and it has been extremely reliable (but only 80K miles), far better than my 2 Toyotas. But regardless, having the warranty is better than not having it, so long as Hyundai honors the warranty, and in my experience being on many Hyundai owner forums Hyundai does honor their warranties just as good as anyone else. In terms of unit sales, Hyundai is now the 3rd largest automaker in the world only behind Volkswagen and Toyota. Back in 1960's anything made in Japan was junk, but they turned that around. Same has happened in Korea in the last 15-20 years with brands like LG, Samsung, and Hyundai. If people want to live their live looking at the world in their rear-view mirror, I think they are making a mistake, but not my problem. Up until recently the Palisade has been in such demand that dealers have been getting $5K over MSRP for the higher trim levels, and I am hoping that demand moderates and prices come down.
Excellent ! Finally, someone comments upon the design, engineering, materials of vehicles. The review is yet cursory, but still better than others.
Imagine a car designed by experienced mechanics working together with engineers
They did, fabric engineer. Its a hyundia after all. Kill in Action (KIA) and this brand is all looks no go LOL. What we need is a interior of a Mercedes and and reliability of Toyota and add tech of Tesla.
He is a Toyota mechanic. None of his comments had any serious validity, except maybe about carbon buildup in all GDI engines. For example, BMW, MB, and Audi use the same kind of plastic filter housing as Hyundai, which are far superior to the poorly machined metal ones used by Toyota.
@@internalharm the criterias you mentioned are the 3 points of a triangle. A manufacturer can only stay on a line between 2 of the points. You take 2 you sacrifice the third.
Manufactures would never do that. Cars are no longer built to last they want you to be wowed at vehicle purchase, spend half of your life and pay check in their service and parts department over ownership, then be dumb enough to return to them and buy an even newer and shinier POS....then rinse and repeat.....
I have a 2022 palisade calligraphy with about 47k miles. I don't notice much road noise on or off the highway. My previous car was a Volvo s60, which I enjoyed driving, but was too small for my daily needs. I really enjoy the palisade as a daily driver. I'm not really worried about the engine, or transmission because I will buy something newer long before the warranty is up.
This is by far the best car review I've seen on UA-cam. Well Done. Subscribed!
Finally! Someone is talking about reliability and not just bells and whistles and 0-60 in 5.2 seconds thank you
But he's just guessing, though.
@@chuckwalla2967 exactly. He’s not fully aware of how durable this powertrain has been. He’s a Toyota technician
With Hyundai’s & Kia’s reputation it’s a very good bet that it will be a piece of junk
This video influenced me so much that I decided today to upgrade from my Santa Fe to a Palisade. Thanks so much for the clarity on what is "not the end of the world", ok, good and great... The mechanics explanation was very cool: thanks!!!
This man is so good mannered, he wont say directly it's a nonsense engine. He just leaves bread crumbs all over the place.
Why is it a nonsense engine?
@@imnotusingmyrealname4566 because the overwhelming majority of manufacturers have moved to hydraulic lifters as well as dual direct and port injection to keep the valves clean. its covered in plastic and runs hot, which is especially egregious with the housing around the oil filter that will inevitably leak. this isn't some port injected, reliable tried and true engine that you're getting as a trade off for it's age; this is a bad design from 15-20 years ago that other manufacturers already learned their lessons from while hyundai is still selling it and having to throw significant warranty promises to bait people in
@@imnotusingmyrealname4566 just follow the bread crumbs, don't you understand this expression?
@@sly9263 On the contrary being some what old school is a good thing.. the plastic filter housing has been used on other previous models and surprisingly haven't been a problem .. one good thing if u get some DIY'er that ruin the threads on the housing its so cheap to replace without the need for sealant, cleaning or mess, it bolts on and off in lineral minutes
@@sly9263 this engine design is not from 15 years ago 😂😅 its way newer .. let be clear lower viscosity oil can be agood however one trade off is that they have a higher rate of burn off.. thus a catch 22 for those who never like check their oil especially has the engine wears in
I purchased the 2023 Palisade in June of 2023. It's been in the shop three times. First time a code pop on the dash. Second time the vehicle turned itself off in traffic. Third time it wouldn't accelerate in traffic. It's been at dealership in Clarksville, TN for three weeks and it still has not been seen by mechanic. Purchased the vehicle to transport my disabled kids to doctors' appointments but now I just think it's dangerous to my family. If I could do it again I would have never purchased this suv.
Absolutely stellar review!👍 Americans love old fashioned, long in the tooth, tried and tested V6 engines. Hyundai hit it out of the park for the USA. There is a reason the Pallisade and Telluride SUVs sell like hotcakes and are praised in every US publication. Reliability you say, HA! We dont keep them that long anymore. People like me who hold them for 10+ years are a minority.
We're currently driving a 2011 Sienna and a 2015 Odyssey. Was looking at this and the Telluride, but I feel like the way we abuse our cars is going to prey on all the weaknesses that he pointed out. Odyssey has been a total lemon, but the Sienna has been totally solid. May wait to see what the Grand Highlander is like.
💩 🚗 😂
@@cubist12 There is no factual or statistical basis for anything this guy said about Hyundai reliability, other than possibly the carbon build up issue (common to most all GDI engines). He is a Toyota mechanic.
My Sante Fe 2010 has this v6 engine. 260,000 miles and never touched. Same with transmission. Burns a bit of gas. I don’t drink so I can afford a car that does. But not by much. I can pass everything. Never missed a day on the road. AWD Ploughs through snow and mud.
What more do you need in a car?
Very excellent points and professional presentation! I would like to mention (as a Toyota/Lexus fanboy) and someone who briefly owned a 2020 Sonata Limited and got burnt, but recently traded in our 2017 MDX (shoddy trans at 101k) for a gently used 2021 Palisade, I prefer the "old-school" PT solely because at this point their 3.8L NA V-6 and 8-spd trans are rather legacy products, but proven and have ideally worked the kinks out compared to their newer applications.
These videos give a high level of information, helps us to see beyond the paint and provides an insight into the manufacturer. Thank you AMD, good video.
Your explanation came from maintenance way and no youtuber discribe like that , i love your opinion about cars that's you present every episode
Because those youtubers got paid by Hyundai. Seriously, when you look at the underneath of the car, you really think it is better than a Toyota/Honda?
@@billytakoho5046 ,even if they're not paid by Hyundai (Savagegeese is a good example),they know something about suspension set-up but nothing about engines & transmissions.After all,almost all other UA-cam reviewers are not mechanics and they sound like academics.
Beware of this vehicle, ive got a 2020 AWD with 38k and its burning oil heavily. Its been towed in twice. We are about to get rid of it due to the run around at the dealer and hyundai corporate.
how did you resolve the issue? I have a sorento 2020, with 36,000, that started consuming oil
Are you the only owner?
I used to own a Pallisade and found the servicing dealers to be a nightmare. I sold mine and purchased a Lexus GX460. Top notch
I very much appreciate AMD and his expert mechanical opinions. This channel is one of the few whose opinions on that level that I trust. I'm not a current Toyota owner, but I'm the original owner of a 2017 Kia Sorento, an engineer, and a shade tree mechanic so I feel qualified to offer my opinion on the reliability of the mechanicals of the power train being discussed here. My Sorento has the Hyundai 3.3l V6 engine. It is the exact same engine in the new Palisade. The only difference is the new V6 has been bored out to give 3.8l vs the 3.3l. part of the reason I settled on the 2017 Sorento was because the 3.3l has a long history with Hyundai and Kia, with few problems. Same goes for their 6 speed transmission, now an 8 speed. Yes, this engine can be viewed as 'old school ' because Hyundai didn't adopt hydraulic lifters, but don't view this as a connection to poor reliability. Many Honda engines also never adopted hydraulic lifters. So you should check valve clearances on Hyundai, Kia, and Honda's. No big deal and done every 100-150k miles. My Sorento at 85k miles has zero top end engine noises that would warrant me thinking It has valve clearance issues. I had my daughter get her 2011 CR-V's valves gapped at the dealer at 160k just for peace of mind and no adjustment was necessary. Understand that these vehicles are well maintained and synthetic oil is used and changed every 4k.
Other than routine maintenance on both the Sorento and the CR-V there have been no issues or repairs to these vehicles. The 2017 Sorento drives just as good in 2024 as the day we bought it and lm anticipating we'll get the 200+k miles out of it that we're expecting.
One other comment. A great Toyota feature/design/innovation is the GDI and PFI as AMD suggests. Hyundai/Kia have adopted this design on their 2.5l 4 cyl., but not the V6. I suspect it isn't on the V6 because that engine is going to get phased out because of the tightening emission standards, just as was the case with Toyota discontinuing their V6 in 2023. Though Hyundai and Kia V6's don't have the dual fuel injection systems, that isn't reason for me to avoid them since the overall reliability of their V6 has otherwise been excellent.
So in your opinion a well maintained Telluride should last a long time barring any abnormalities in build quality? Asking in case we purchase one
@@codygibson3765 Telluride is made in the US, and Palisade is made in Korea. I got the Palisade.
Amazing review AMD! Hearing the honest thoughts from a professional reliable mechanic is simply invaluable!
He is a Toyota mechanic. I don't think his comments are objective.
@@Mark-rw3kw most certainly not, that's the vibe I've gotten - Scotty Kilmer with a less abrasive delivery.
@@benb2358 Correct, most certainly not objective, since he works (or previously worked for, not sure) for a Toyota dealer as a mechanic. I think he is decent guy, but not an automotive engineer and is clueless when it comes to the way other companies do things, especially those using Mahle oil management systems with a polycarbonate filter cap (which is far superior to the POS system used by Toyota).
I just took the family from Maine to Florida and back in our 23 calligraphy. the highway drive was not loud at all. I have seen with some people have complained about the road noise, but it is not an issue in our vehicle.
Excellent review from a technical perspective! It really shows what Hyundai focuses on and skimps on, which fits what the brand is all about(Fashion over function). Could you do reviews on European cars like Merc and BMW? I especially love the reviews on the engine and under car.
People don't seem to understand that there is no such thing as a free lunch. When I see Kia and Hyundai vehicles offering more features than every other competitor at each price point, I know they must be cutting corners somewhere. They have become experts at cutting the corners nobody, particularly car reviewers, will notice. They allay those concerns with a great warranty, but it turns out getting them to honor warranty repairs is difficult.
@@plmn93 What evidence do you have that Hyundai doesn't honor their 10 year - 100K mile warranty on the powertrain. Having been on some Hyundai owner forums, I would say that is not true, unless the owner did not do the required maintenance (which is basically oil changes).
@@Mark-rw3kwGenerous warranty on cheaply made vehicles is not good logic to me.
@@Mityob67 I don't know how old you are, but Japanese cars and electronics were considered junk in the 1960's but they improved. In Korea, LG (Goldstar) and Samsung were once junk, along with Hyundai. They are no longer junk and scientific statistical customer surveys have proved that Hyundai has above average reliability. The guy who made this video is a former Toyota dealer mechanic (not an automotive engineer) and now owns his own shop specializing in Toyota and Lexus, and his comments are totally biased, and often absolutely ridiculous.
I have a 2017 Hyundai Sonata SE with over 135k miles with only two problems electric steering wheel and the coolant thermostat. No engine or transmissions issues at all. I decided to buy a 2021 Santa Fe and it been a great car.
The large number of people that walk into a dealership and fall in love with the interior and gizmos are also oblivious to the value of repairability and long term reliability. Do I really want to stare into my instrument cluster when changing lanes.
Hyundai and Kia have figured out this buyer and have focused most of their attention on what people can see. On the other hand you have Honda and Toyota building car that mechanics and owners can appreciate for years to come.
What you don’t see doesn’t make it not important as many Hyundai/Kia owners will find out sooner than later. 🎉
100,000 engine recall for catastrophic engine failures on Toyota sounds really like owners and mechanics will appreciate for years to come. To your point, they found out real soon!
Unbiased review with a critical eye is what we as consumers need, not all the other channels who just review with kid gloves.... BRAVO! MORE MORE MORE!
Why is this an unbiased review. The guy is a Toyota mechanic and owns a Lexus.
Incredible attention to detail - especially from a mechanical (engine / underside) perspective. Please keep it up - most reviews totally skip that!
Please consider reviewing other SUVs (Honda Pilot, BMW X5, Subaru Forester, etc). Keep up the great work! 👍🏽
I think most reviewers don't even have the technical knowledge to expand like this guy. A treasure trove of a channel.
This guy is a Toyota mechanic, so if it isn't a Toyota he doesn't like it. Most of the claims about being unreliable have not basis is fact and are pure conjecture. For example, BMW, MB, and Audi use plastic oil filter caps like Hyundai. His knowledge outside of the way Toyota does things is very limited and biased.
@@Mark-rw3kw he talked many bad points about Toyotas as well.
@@manofsesame3024 The bottom line is that he is wrong about the welds on exhaust system and he is wrong about the plastic (actually polycarbonate) oil filter cap. He is just a mechanic and not an automotive engineer. He worked for a Toyota dealer for many years and now has his own shop specializing in Toyota and Lexus, so his knowledge of other brands is minimal.
Best full review on UA-cam. Keep up your great work. I love the fact you show the underside and discuss long term potential issue in design and all the technical detail. We don’t need to know how sporty the family suv. Your review is on point. Really really well done.
It would be useful if everything he said was correct, but he is a Toyota mechanic and not exactly objective, and many of things he said are just wrong. For example, BMW, MB, and Audi use the same kind of plastic oil filter cap as Hyundai, because they are extremely reliable.
Very detailed review. Specially your review on the engine, transmission and under body is worth noting. Thank you. I was about to buy this car 2025 model. But after going through your review changed my mind.
These videos are some of the best reviews on UA-cam. Keep up the good work
AMD, As it is January 1, 2023 today, it will be easy to keep track of how long it takes Hyundai/Kia to send you another car 😉😉😉
I made a mistake of buying a brand new 2013 Hyundai Azera limited had the 3.3 V6 GDI I sold my 2003 lexus es300 had 177,000 trouble free miles for this, nothing but issues with the engine with carbon buildup and the vvt and cams and at 39k Hyundai installed new cam phasers and timing chains and tensioner after 20,000 miles of cold start up rattle got so bad it lasted almost 90 seconds, the dealer had tried every method engine flushes, brands of oil, weights of oil, new timing tensioner nothing fixed it. I got almost 6k more trouble free miles and noise was back new phasers and tensioner installed again and last maybe 900 miles and engine was not running right they kept car for 5 weeks and discovered the front cylinders were lower compression by more than 30 percent and one was less than 90psi they got hyundai corporate involved and inspected couple weeks later so they sent in a whole brand new engine was $12,700 was total bill but under warranty, less than 11,000 miles on new engine it started all over again with cold rattle and misfires sold car shortly later never again will i buy a kia or hyundai
Oh a 2003 Lexus for that, that's a hard lesson to learn.
An Azera? Wth I heard that was one of the most reliable models to come to the u.s!
I will Lexus IS more well known to last tho
I just want to say thank you for the honest reviews. When you speak about a engine either having direct injection or direct and port fuel injection, that is excellent advice because there is very little information when tiring to find this information on the web or from a sales person. Keep up the great reviews and from a former mechanic for over 30 years you do a great job.
A masterpiece of review. No funny quirks, just wisdom and expertise in a video. 🧠
I have never seen anyone take time to explain an SUV vehicle the way that you do. I will be coming back for more. This is a great idea to give details on different types of SUV. Thank you!
I have this exact car in white. Drives very nice. I put it on Turo and am planning on retiring it at 90k miles. Transmission still shifts nice at 22k, but has a whine already. Engine in the morning sounds scary. Your review was spot on!
Thank You for your input, Palisade owner ; I would love having an SUV with this appearance
that is reliable enough to be worth maintaining for decades (since that is what I personally do with my vehicles rather than retiring them)
but alas, much like their Sonata that I passed up on, I can't seem to justify how this can be a long term vehicle for myself or anyone for that matter.
To hammer the point home, I never see any of those 4th generation Hyundais still functioning on the road today either.
Darn it, Hyundai; Why do you have to make your cars so beautiful, yet so temporary as tin foil?? Lol
@@bentonrp There is no statistical evidence to back up the claim that Hyundai's are less reliable than Toyota or Honda. I am talking about recent models, not those from 30-30 years ago.
@@Mark-rw3kw How can you possibly gain statistical evidence... from something that will happen tomorrow...?
@@bentonrp We can look at the statistical reliability of the Palisade powertrain since it was introduced in 2019 model year, which uses the same exact powertrain (Lambda V6 3.8 GDI and 8-speed transmission) as other Hyundai models since 2012. He is a Toyota mechanic who is very biased. For example, BMW, MB, and Audi use the exact same kind of plastic filter housing as Hyundai, which are far superior to the poorly machined metal ones used by Toyota (many complaints about stripped threads on the Toyota ones on various Toyota owner forums).
@@Mark-rw3kw You have some good points; An oil filter housing that needed to be replaced after about a decade because it was plastic is a meager point to complain about.
However, "an oil filter housing that shows no intention of reliability built into the design of the auto, because it is plastic" is actually a good point.
I don't doubt you when you say Mercedes and Beamers did it. Why are they top of the line then? Probably because of the engine build.
These top of the line brands are indeed still susceptible to parts that need to be replaced soon that don't affect performance of the engine, but I don't know what components in Hyundais are built to last.
Their engines certainly aren't to the level of Mercedes, Toyota, Honda, or BMWs. On an old Toyota, near everything was built to last. If this guy is biased towards his company of Toyota, he might have good reason to be.
I wonder what he thinks of the newer Toyotas that screw up their whole 'dependability reputation' by introducing unproven technology in it like Fuel Flex or their Hybrids.
Nowadays, modern Toyotas are cars from just another car company like any other; With planned obsolescence and all.
Really appreciated the criticisms of this vehicle. Makes your review have so much more value and credibility in my book!
Yeah, he is a Toyota mechanic who owns a Lexus. Why are his comments credible?
@@Mark-rw3kw u mad?
@@theglowcloud2215 I explained in detail elsewhere in these comments that the guy is a Toyota mechanic working at a Toyota dealer who has no idea what he is talking about. For example, he criticized the “plastic” oil filter cap that is actually polycarbonate and virtually unbreakable and the same one used by BMW, Mercedes, and many other premium brands who use a Mahle Oil Management System. This guy is an idiot who thinks that if it is not the same as the way Toyota does it then in is inferior. Ironically many Toyota owners complain on forums about the poorly machined Toyota filer cap made metal that strips the threads on the oil filter assembly. Almost all of his other comments are equally inane.
Unlike most recent high-end cars (or Cadillacs of the last half-century), the Hyundai/Kia rear auto leveling does not have a separate compressor for the shocks. I believe they've devised a less expensive passive system involving rear shocks that generate lift from vehicle motion when higher loads dictate. I suspect that's why those rear shocks are weirdly large.
Fantastic review!
The comment about the interior noise surprised me because I just watched a different video review where a db meter was used, and at highway speeds the Palisade came in at the lower end of the noise spectrum relative to comparable SUVs.
Some of the early versions of Palisade had wind effect issues with the outside mirror, assembly, but supposedly that has been fixed.
Dude...this is a niche segment that's untapped. Keep it up and you can live off UA-cam earnings.
Great videos!
Many Toyota 4 cylinder engines also have a plastic cartridge oil filter housing. Even when properly torqued, they have a tendency to break at the next oil change.
I keep spares for my kids’ 2013 Corollas.
TRUE.
I know the pain from my wife’s Corolla! I believe the torque spec is stated as 20 in-lbs on the housing, but it seems that people tighten to 20 ft-lbs, causing it to be almost impossible to remove without breaking it!
So is the palisade’s engine reliable long term? I wonder how it compares to a 2018 Avalon engine
@@popaki9484Hyundai engines can last as far as Toyota engines. But the other parts of the car may not.
I DID learn something today, thank you. Really fascinating insights on this review. I thought the car’s summation as “A sad dream” was absolutely hilarious. Keep up the great work!
Huge thank you for these reviews. The average folk like us have no idea anymore what risks we take when buying cars. The more you expose the more the audience knows what technologies to avoid and what to adopt.
Good to see a car review channel that's not bribed by fancy vacations.
First, let me just say that I love your approach. You’re even tempered, you’re contemplative (asking questions that we, as the buyer, should be asking), and you take a deeper look at vehicles that many channels don’t offer.
PLEASE PLEASE keep doing these. I know you are primarily a Japanese geared mechanic (mainly Toyota) - but I appreciate the fact that you don’t stay in the lane. You take an objective look at what other manufacturers are producing and help us with our decision making. And it’s not a “don’t buy this car” sort of statement (although i am sure if that car was horribly engineered and had limited reliability you would say so)… but you leave us with things to consider and little warnings to take note of…..”here are some things that you, as the buyer, may encounter down the road, so just bear that in mind.”
A couple things I did want to point out is I would like it if you had some links to other videos on certain parts of the engine to help us understand what it does or what a good way of engineering those parts should look like. There were a couple points during the hood segment where i wasn’t entirely sure what would have made it better and i totally understand that with a video that is already nearly 40 minutes long, you can’t take an extended amount of time to explain simple things on every video…. But a little direction to learning a little more on key things in the engine bay would help.
The other thing i wanted to say is that - yes, Hyundai did, technically, cut corners with the rear of the driver and passengers seat with not wrapping the seat fully with leather. But i will say that this is something that I prefer in I mainstream cars. Because a lot of common buyers are going to go after vehicles like this…. And those common buyers who shooting for 3 row seats likely have a decent number of kids - and some may still be in car seats…… rainy, muddy days - messy dirty shoes - right on the back of that nice leather > no thank you. I’m glad they covered it with plastic…. Makes it easier to clean and less stressful to think about the fact that the leather now looks awful or continues to look awful because of those kids in the car seats. From the average consumer - that is something I appreciate… That’s a corner i don’t mind being cut. Let them jump into a Genesis, Lexus… etc if they want a more premium feel.
As you mentioned, Hyundai was not really cutting corners when making the back of seats plastic. Besides, very, very few cars that have leather seats have real leather on the backs of them. Most leather seating "trim" has synthetic leather on the rear and sides of the seats, for almost every manufacturer except maybe those over $100K.
Very surprised that you found highway driving to be noisy. My 2022 Calligraphy is silent around town and quiet on the interstate. I don't remember you showing the storage under the rear floor behind the 3rd row. On my 2020 Toyota Sienna Limited Premium, reliability has been a myth, so I'll take my chances with Hyundai.
I don't think he drove the car, just looked at it. The early Palisade models had a wind noise problem around the outside mirror leaking into the cabin, but that has supposedly been fixed, so your 2022 should be quiet. Also, as you noted, reliability of Toyota has gone downhill, because they do things like specify 0W-16 or 0W-20 motor oil for better fuel economy, but destroys reliability.
@@Mark-rw3kw imagine being this emotional over a Hyundai
I want to compliment you on your extremely detailed care care, maintenance and reviews. I watch many car mechanics, and car reviewers. You are the best of them all. Please keep making videos and posting to UA-cam. I’ve subscribed to your channel, I “Like” your videos and I strongly encourage you to continue reviewing and posting videos about engines, transmissions and cars/trucks in general. You rock my friend!
I bought a Hyundai 2024 palisade calligraphy night edition few month ago and this is a second car from Hyundai which was Santa Fe ,after 180000 miles ,since 2011 .
I love every bit of quality Hyundai offered and price I paid for .
Thanks for your very intelligent knowledge of car and in-put.
I appreciate your detailed, honest reviews. My problem now is that I fear I will never find a car in my price range that has decent reviews. I'm afraid to buy anything.
Same here. Some people are claiming they have had good experiences with cars, but others have not. I don't want to be the one paying the car note for a car that can't stay out of the shop
I have a 2022 Kia Telluride nightfall, wife has a 2020 Telluride EX model and the best thing about it is how quiet and refined the ride is. Probably the Palisade is louder on the road but I’ve not experienced that in the Telluride. As far as the engine being noisy at start up I have not experienced that plus I’ve seen Tellurides with almost 200k miles on them doing just fine and no engine/transmission issues to date. I do however agree with most of your review except those two things. Again, I have the Kia version and Kia puts more sound deadening and extra features like folding mirrors etc… Toyotas may be more reliable down the road but the new turbo engines Toyota is now introducing in the Highlander and Tundra are causing some issues. Still if I were to consider Toyota in the future I would get a plug in hybrid, never a turbo engine.
I agree. The Telluride was designed for the American market while the Palisade was designed for the Korean market. The Telluride will be fine for the first 100k by that time, most people will trade it in or upgrade to another vehicle.
This man is a combination of Redline Reviews & Savagegeese
Loving him...
I smell a lot of Scotty Kilmer in some ways. Toyota or else....
The reason the rear window wiper is mounted at the bottom is because it's more efficient and does a better job on that spot.
In my opinion, It's bias to review a Hyundai powertrain while you promote Toyota and Lexus (Competition?). Longevity is the question but it will remain a question until it comes. What do you think is the "preferred" powertrain for the Palisade anyways? Where are the evidence for the new generation Hyundai powertrain that went bad? What is the fix on those cold morning warm up that sounded so loud?
Honestly speaking, the review is excellent and in details. However, in South Africa we have a diesel engine for this car and that is good.
I do love to say, you mentioned a lot of things most journalists ignore. They rush to drive cars and they end up misleading people by their comments.
You soldom see a journalist looking at under the body of a car. They always talk of what they don't know. But this review is so good that the engineering guys at Hyundai should be able to take notice.
This video has helped me before i walk into a car dealer. Am happy to make an informed decision.
And am going to share this review to other journalists that they drop their pride and do the right work. And not saying all journalists are selfish or incompetent. Am saying they lack this degree of doing a thoroughly good job.
Thanks again my brother. Bless you.
Nice seeing some reviews on non-Toyota products. I think this Palisade gives the Highlander some real competition. Enjoyed this!
OMG I was looking for reviews like this!! Mechanic's perspective!! Show us what's under the car, what materials they used, and how durable they are. Thank you for doing this review. I would love to see other SUVs and more!!
Omg
He is a Toyota mechanic. I don't know if he has his own shop now, but he used to work for a Toyota dealer. Not objective.
Looks like a vehicle where lots was invested on looks, on what will appeal to the average buyer, and shortcuts were taken on the mechanical side - what the average buyer won't see or pay attention to.
He says this car is loud inside, every single other instrumented test/review says this car is among the quietest in the segment if not the quietest. And no mention of Toyota and Honda being labeled as lagging in that department.
Has anyone noted, he is a Toyota mechanic. Cannot be a non-biased review. I am sure there are shortcomings in all new vehicles and will believe his comments on Palisade mechanical shortcomings unless similar review is done for Toyota Highlander or Honda Pilot. Hyundai Palisade beats it’s competitors hands down in many aspects starting with looks, features, value for money, space inside, driving pleasure, etc. all independent reviews so far I have seen put the Hyundai Palisade on top in most aspects and yes it may lack in a few aspects compared to other brands in its class
This is the same guy that has candidly shared which Lexus and Toyota models to avoid, and exactly why. He's actually pretty objective IMHO. For example, he has leveled similar direct injection concerns at the Lexus IS250.
New sub, awsome content. The technical aspect of your reviews are awsome. At first I thought I found the official Toyota fan boy channel. The fact that you give unbiased reviews of other manufactures is a great thing. Hoovie ,Kilmer
and Wizard are fine for laughs but you are the real deal. God bless you and your family.
Nice review Mate 👍🏻 very honest and Frank in so many ways. Well done.
We also love our Palisade, but Australian top spec (similar to US caligraphy) has slightly different options such as we get the auto folding door mirrors and I noticed some features the Aussie model doesn’t have eg 3rd Row heated seats or the power third row. Our AWD are all Diesel and all FWD V6.
In my research it’s the best bang for buck model on the (Aussie) market, but we don’t have as many options here, eg Telluride isn’t offered as well as few other notable larger vehicles.
Also interested if your “Old tech” comment is relatable to new diesel as it seems to be your biggest Con and most sold here in australia would be sold as the diesel.
Oh man, i'm glad your channel exist. I always wondered how Hyundai and its sister company kept their cars so cheap. Now I'm reconsidering after seeing all of the plastics on this car. Could you do a mechanical review on the new Genesis G70? I want to make sure I don't make the wrong purchase. Thanks!
thats how hyundai and kia have always been- they're dressing up their interiors (nicely I might add) and selling better but the "hidden" cost cutting is still there. your average buyer doesn't care about what they can't see or don't understand. paint quality and thickness is also an ongoing issue for new hyundais.
Don't ... the Avalon or the upcoming Toyota Crown is a thousand times better quality. If you get the G70, do yourself a favor and lease it.
Do yourself a favor, stay away from Korean cars. They give you lots of bells and whistles but are they reliable? No. Engine problems, electrical problems even they are fairly new...
I considered the G70 (and the sister car, Stinger GT), both AWD. I passed on them both, for a couple of reasons:
1) Bucket style lifters. I'm sorry, I cannot pay that kind of money and not even get hydraulic lifters. I'm not sure how much it'll cost to shim them later, but I'm guessing it isn't cheap.
2) This was the deal breaker - the transfer case fluid cannot be serviced. When the fluid wears out and the car throws an error code, the official service manual says to REPLACE the whole transfer case! At that time, the transfer case was $10k USD, not included is the labor, and not having a loaner as this isn't a warranty issue. Owners still haven't found a satisfactory solution to this.
In light of the above, and after seeing Ahmed's review of the Palisade, I'm really wondering what else Hyundai Motor Group cost cut out of the G70 / Stinger GT.
I ended up with an IS350. It's one second slower in 0 - 60 than the Stinger GT. I don't care, I'm willing to give up 1s in 0 - 60 and get that Japanese Lexus build quality and reliability, and it is as easy to service as a Camry. It isn't exactly a slow car either, once you figure out how to keep in the lowest gear possible when taking off.
@@billytakoho5046 If only more people knew this. I always envy the higher feature cars but I'll stick with my 2 Lexus's with less bells and whistles.
Hyundai has been using that 3.8v6 platform in various models since 2006. It's a solid and smooth engine. Though for a flagship SUV encroaching onto the luxury side, they should have a power output equal to the Genesis drivetrains, though it is higher than the Highlander and Pilot, but the GM platforms have it beat. The fuel economy is decent, but increasing the power output would make it more efficient than the Highlander or Pilot. The Palisade only has an 18-gal fuel tank, for a total range of only 460 miles, that's tiny. The GMC Acadia has a larger fuel tank at 22 gal, more power at 310hp and better fuel economy. While the Palisade might be slightly larger by a few cubic ft, on family road trips when you want a kid or two in the third row, you're going to still need a roof-rack or hitch carrier, because the cargo space behind the third row isn't as large as a full-sized SUV. If you take into account real world use, the GMC Acadia is better on paper, but the Hyundai warranty would be enough for me to sacrifice some power and economy. Plus, at my local Hyundai dealer, you can purchase a lifetime powertrain and lifetime bumper-bumper warranty, which is what I did for my wife's 2020 Santa Fe.
Seriously I have watched 100's of reviews in my life, I've never had someone do one so well! I subscribed and am gonna binge your reviews!
Thank you for the review. I will not be looking at ANY Hyundai or Kia after this review. My Toyota and Lexus have always been amazing. Scotty Kilmer knows best.
Start move. I’d rather have a 15 year old Lexus, rather than a brand new Hyundai
It’s shame cause they were good from like 01 to 10 at least it wasn’t that much issues for those years regular multi port injection. It seems tho even the Kona with mpi injection still has issues tho. But it seems once they went gdi in 2011 is when they had issues. Even Honda gdi has issues but I heard it was mostly from the extra pressure from the turbo model.
@@robmalcolm8042 You’re right, the last good year was 2010. I don’t understand people going and buying new Hyundai and Kia’s - seems no one does any research
@@donc6781 I got a palisade with over 14,000 miles but that is still low. May trade for a 4 runner tho depending. It hasn’t gave no issues and I do deep down feel this is the only or of the few models that are reliable but time will tell from people on forums with higher miles most complaints seem minor with not much anything with reliability or engine related. But yeah we’ll see I do have a Toyota Prius that has almost 250,000 miles as well. This guy fails to mention that the palisade has Otto and Atkinson cycle not just one so the engine actually does get two cycles to help clean the gdi. Of course this probably isn’t a obvious thing unless your really familiar with this model but I thought he would of known without assuming it’s just gdi only.
One of the main reasons why I bought a Palisade is because it has "old school engine" that's a good thing people...meaning it won't break down.
This is the second Hyundai I bought new and when I sold my first car it had 161k with zero problems.
161k eh. That's half life for a older Toyota. Can't say the same for a Hyundai. But maybe I'm just a hater 🤭
You are a hater
@aarg2609 I was waiting for a comment like this. FYI I still see my old car on the road running like a champ, because it was sold to my neighbor, and she has 194k with zero problems.
If you are comfortable with 190k miles in a Hyundai then more power to you. 👍
@aarg2609 your missing my point... THE CAR STILL RUNNING.
I will try to update you in the near future when the car hits 300k lol
I don't know what else to tell you.
One of the most thorough and honest reviews I have ever seen! The Mechanic needs to do more reviews because he is great and very knowledgeable.
I have a 2021 Palisade Limited, in the same Moonlight Blue color and I like it a great deal. It’s very comfortable and I’ve had ZERO problems from it.
I have a 2023 Palisade on order, have owned a 2021 Limited and 2022 Calligraphy prior to this Calligraphy which I will be picking up soon. The guy who did this review did not do these cars justice. My prior two cars were great in every respect. Not an issue with either car. Traded them in for what I paid for one, and a very slight loss on the other. My 2023, will probably turn it in as well before we leave for 4 months this fall and order another. The comfort, excellent. The performance, fuel mileage, superb for this price range. Not one complaint on any of them. There is also an excellent Hyundai Extended Warranty available at a cost. Price is up to the dealer, ranges from $1300 on up. Covers just about 100% of everything for ten years. I pulled a 24' enclosed car hauler with my 2022, no load bars or sway device about 400 miles last year. Trailer was empty, drove at 55 on the 4 lane, no problems. But, would not want to haul it loaded with one of my cars in it. Check it out! It is much better than the review given here.
Really solid car. A family member has a 2022 model and no issues in the 18 months of ownership.There only complaint is it drinks fuel but it's a boxy-shaped, heavy SUV with a big V6 engine, so to be expected! Yes the plastics on the rear of the seats are a cost cutting exercise but also by design. Small kids love to kick up the back of the seats so plastic is a wiser choice, harder wearing and easier to clean!
I love how you went deep on the internals. Your insight as a mechanic provided great information on the reliablity of the car. Thank you for this wonderful review. It makes me reconsider keeping my Palisade long term.
@@macdaddyp8437 There is no statistical evidence to back up your claims.
Totally biased reviewer with no proofs but speculations! In another video he was comparing Hyundai hybrid system with Toyota’s one and making utter false statements like Hyundai hybrid system is so sluggish that it takes 2-3 seconds when switching between gas and electric motors. I stopped the video right there. Same with this video too by making it look like a city only car and too noisy for highway. Are you serious? BTW, Hyundai/Kia are #3 worldwide in terms of #of cars sold. And consistently rated high in multiple quality ratings like JD Power.
I’m not even looking to buy this SUV and yet I am thoroughly enjoying this entire review. You are a gem!!
DUDE!! Thank you for helping me dodge a bullet, I was about 3 weeks away from buying palisade! I was torn between a Palisade and a Highlander, thanks to you, the choice is easy.
Toyotas pretty much the only car company you can really trust.
Absolutely fantastic review from someone objective who obviously knows what he's talking about. Very thorough and on point with the important stuff. I think you may have done it for Hyundai at around 33:15 though 😊 Hyundai should watch this video and take heed to every single observation. Very well done and thanks for the video. I'm definitely a subscriber and I'm sure that anyone else landing on this channel will be too! 👍🏻
The reviewer here is a Toyota mechanic, and not exactly objective. Hyundai sells more than 4 million vehicles per year worldwide, so I think they have some pretty good engineers.
Thanks for the great review! I took delivery of one of these (Calligraphy) in October and couldn't agree more about the mirrors. The engine noise also varies (even from vehicle to vehicle) as ours is a bit loud after warming up. Through my research they did some improvements for highway noise (rear laminated glass and extra sound deadening material) and we view it as a very quite highway vehicle when compared to the 2018 outback (not hard to beat) and our 2014 Jeep GC (great highway car I use for storm chasing w/ 225k miles). Other small gripes include no sunglass holder (has drop down rear facing fisheye mirror), no entertainment displays in rear and storage space behind third row seats. Overall, we are very please with the car (6k miles so far). If anyone has any questions feel free to reply and I can give my honest opinion. d
I booked a calligraphy too and am concerned about the wind noise. Seems it varies by car to car
@@ET-dg3ud There is an easy $5 fix. Join the Palisade forum to find the solution which is quite Toyota-ish!
@@ET-dg3ud no wind noise on mine. 6k miles so far
@@tpnowlen275what’s the fix?
@@ET-dg3udthat sucks! I hate that
The interior is very nice, so you will have something to look at while waiting for the tow truck...
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God bless you my friend. I sincerely considered the Palisade as I loved the interior. As you mentioned, and I agree, the front compartment left me too many uncertainties. Thank you for what you do, and I pray the Lord continuously bless you.
Thank you AMD for your professional reviews! I'm a fan!! I love seeing car reviews and THIS is the info I REALLY NEED!!! I'm doing research for my next car purchase. You are helping me out tremendously!
I’d love to hear your thoughts for the new Honda pilot 2023. Great video here!
Having done 2 valve adjustment jobs on a honda v6, the manually adjustable valves on Palisade instantly put me off. 5w-30 is good thick stuff to get held in by our new low tension oil control rings, mandated for low internal friction. 0-16 might slip right past, causing oil burning & eventually clogged cats.
DI, manual valves, and plastic everywhere- by the third owner these engines are GUARANTEED to fall apart or need significant work. :(
We got one 3.0 Accord with 220k miles, and another with 305k miles. I couldn't tell you the last time it ever needed an adjustment. However, from others I have seen with issues, it appears cylinder #5 is a usual suspect issues from no valve adjustments, but that one is easy to get to.
@@midwestfarm757 wow! i love the miles! to be honest, had i not gone in and tried to "make it perfect" the first time, i'd have not needed to correct my errors the second time. 235k on my beloved 3.0 :)
I had many cars with old school valves.
Never had amy problems.
Hyundai is improving, but I don’t think you will be trading in your GX 460 for a Palisade anytime soon. Happy new year, thanks for the content.
If the Palisade had folding mirrors, he might have.
Hyundai is Not improving, they have an almost 10 year streak of horrible motors and worthless warranties
One of the best reviews provided for palisade. Thank you man, I was double minded whether to buy this suv or not but you really changed my mind. Beautiful and graceful.
Great review, 100% valid points on the powertrain. But, I'd love for you to tear into the Highlander and see where they skimped. Our 2022 Platinum doesn't have power folding mirrors either and I think the 'tech' is just absolutely atrocious.
It has folding mirrors, just not automatic or power-folding mirrors.
A great unique, in-depth, “under the hood” review of this very nice SUV. I understand that Hyundai wanted to make a few features different than its sister SUV - the Telluride, so they skimped on the power-folding side mirrors as one of the items (Telluride has them). I am anxious to see and watch reviews of the Toyota Grand Highlander that will be part of the upcoming Auto Show in Chicago in February 2023. I may strongly consider the Highlander over this SUV for its known reliability (I currently have a 2007 Avalon which has been a great car!). I would like for you to review the new Grand Highlander when it is released later this year in the same manner you did this Palisade! Take care and many thanks for your honest and thorough reviews !!! 😉
i bought a 22 highlander, its glorious compared to my previous 13 nissan rouge
I’m actually moving away from Toyota and considering the Pallisade. I have a 2019 Highlander XLE and had to replace the entire engine practically right before 40,000 miles. From their their have been other issues that have required service but thankfully it’s fully covered up to 70,000 miles. I think the reliability of Toyota is not what it used to be, so do extreme research before going with Toyota in the future.
@@ilsw922 putting out so many cars will have a bad egg … unfortunately you got such bad egg … sorry that happen to you but I wouldn’t paint Toyota red for it
At one time Hyundai owned more than 50% of Kia, but now they only own 33% of Kia. They do have a comprehensive technology and parts sharing agreement between them, but all marketing decisions about what is included in each car are made individually, not in collusion with each other. In fact, the decision to not include power folding mirrors in USA models was made by Hyundai USA, since some of the Korean versions have them.
@@ilsw922 That is because Toyota is going off the deep end with stuff like 0W-16 motor oil (or even 0W-20). Old school is more reliable. German cars use 0W-30 or 0W-40. I can't believe that this Toyota guy is complaining about Hyundai using 5W-30 motor oil (probably because Hyundai offers a 10 year - 100K mile warranty on the powertrain). I was on a Toyota Highlander forum once, and the problems of the Highlander far exceed the problems of the Palisade.