The Ladies' Man Trope, Explained
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- The first 1,000 people to use this link will get a 2 month free trial of Skillshare Premium Membership: skl.sh/thetake77 | The Ladies’ Man. He’s charming, he’s slick, and he just might end up breaking your heart. How has he gotten away with this for so long? Are his good looks and magnetic personality worth the pain he might leave you with? Watch this video for our deep dive into The Ladies’ Man. If you like this video, subscribe to our channel or support us on Patreon: / thetake
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Films and Shows used:
Auto Focus (2002)
Avengers: Infinity War (2018)
Avengers: Endgame (2019)
American Psycho (2000)
Adventures of Don Juan (1948)
Alfie (1966)
American Gigolo (1980)
Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery (1997)
Casino Royale (2006)
Clash of the Titans (2010)
Fighting Caravans (1931)
Failure to Launch (2006)
Casablanca (1942)
Crazy, Stupid, Love. (2011)
Dangerous Liaisons (1988)
Don Jon (2013)
Don Juan DeMarco (1994)
Dr. No (1962)
Fast Times at Ridgemont High (1982)
Fellini's Casanova (1976)
From Russia with Love (1963)
Goldfinger (1964)
Iron Man 2 (2010)
Diamonds Are Forever (1971)
The Human Tornado (1976)
The Maltese Falcon (1941)
How to Be a Player (1997)
North by Northwest (1959)
Pillow Talk (1959)
Quantum of Solace (2008)
Reality Bites (1994)
Rebel Without a Cause (1955)
Saturday Night Fever (1977)
Magnolia (1999)
Choke (2008)
Down with Love (2003)
American Pie (1999)
Ghosts of Girlfriends Past (2009)
Iron Man (2008)
Cruel Intentions (1999)
Red Dust (1932)
Gone with the Wind (1939)
Hitch (2005)
Bluebeard's Eighth Wife (1938)
Mr. Deeds Goes to Town (1936)
Shaft (1971)
Sweet Sweetback's Baadasssss Song (1971)
Shame (2011)
Shampoo (1975)
Singles (1992)
Step Up 2: The Streets (2008)
Swingers (1996)
The Thief of Bagdad (1940)
The Big Sleep (1946)
The Dark Knight (2008)
The Pick-Up Artist (1987)
The Virginian (1929)
Blood and Sand (1922)
Casanova (1927)
Don Juan (1926)
The Wild One (1953)
The Mark of Zorro (1920)
Beyond the Rocks (1922)
Saturday Night Live (1975-)
Shaft (2000)
Skyfall (2012)
Batman Begins (2005)
Spectre (2015)
No Time To Die (2020)
The Tao of Steve (2000)
The Adventures of Marco Polo (1938)
The Sheik (1921)
You Only Live Twice (1967)
The Avengers (1961-1969)
How I Met Your Mother (2005-2014)
Mad Men (2007-2015)
Californication (2007-2014)
Cheers (1982-1993)
Friends (1994-2004)
Nip/Tuck (2003-2010)
Sex and the City (1998-2004)
Law & Order: Special Victims Unit (1999-)
Three's Company (1977-1984)
Two and a Half Men (2003-2015)
Bojack Horseman (2014-2020)
It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia (2005-)
Grey's Anatomy (2005-)
St. Elsewhere (1982-1988)
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Please cover the "Bumbling Dad" stereotype at some point! 😻
The girl and boy duo
Trina Q yeah they should do it.
lol... every male archetype is considered male toxicity.
Every female archetype is considered a product of what toxic men want.
Jealous and bitter much? The female voice-over probably is fucking a ladies man right now. stfu
Shrek videos!
One thing I find disturbing about this trope (among the obvious) is the resolution. If all it takes to change a man is the "right woman," what does that say about men? Or the women who are trying to "change" them? It's an insidious, careful lie, one that encourages men to seek healing and fulfillment from an external source, and that condones women staying in destructive relationships in an effort to cure their partner of his bad behavior. And when that inevitably fails, rather than seeing men's insecurities and personal character defects as the source of their problem and encouraging men to fix them, it can end up placing the blame on women for not being the right one, saying the right things, etc. Of all the bad things the "Ladies' Man" trope teaches, I think this is perhaps the worst since it's so hard to see and so infrequently called out.
this comment should be higher
That's one of the great things about Mad Men. It's "cure" for the ladies man had to do with him gaining introspection and self acceptance and he wasn't even with anyone.
"It's an insidious, careful lie, one that encourages men to seek healing and fulfillment from an external source, and that condones women staying in destructive relationships in an effort to cure their partner of his bad behavior. And when that inevitably fails, rather than seeing men's insecurities and personal character defects as the source of their problem and encouraging men to fix them, it can end up placing the blame on women for not being the right one, saying the right things, etc." < ---- this right here
👏 👏 👏 👏
Kenneth David Murdock say that!!
Donald draper is for me the most well-portrayed example of “the ladies man” because the series really go deep down the surface so you can empathise with him or at least understand why he does what he does. The think i loved is that mad men didn't chose the easy path trying to solve all his problems just with love, every time that he apparently finds “the right girl” who almost tamed him it doesn't last longer because the real problem is inside him and he could never be happy until he finally fights his demons.
Yeah, Mad Men deconstructs the Lady's Man. Don developed unhealthy attitudes about sex when he's raised in a brothel and loses his virginity to a surrogate mother figure at 15. He's not an enviable man's man; he's broken under the gleaming surface.
Indira Andrea Pérez goes the thing choose just fixing your grammatical mistakes
There are no demons. We men are sexual machines. We love to conquer as many women as possible. I am surprised why there such a stupid campaign to hide such a simple fact of life.
Recommended I don’t think it’s that simple. You could claim all humans seek power and safety but in society we don’t run around killing each other all the time and acting solely on our most primal instincts.
@@Liusila Yes we do. Not always with clubs like cavemen, but with words. However I don't know what this has to do with sexuality. Because it's not true that everyone seeks power. There are many people out there who are resigned to fate. They believe in God, and that everything that happens in their lives is one of God's many wishes.
If you need a real analogy take food. The primal need to eat, and to change the foods we eat has never changed from cavemen days.
"He's the next Donald Trump!" that line aged, um... well... it aged.
aged well actually. Now people outside of New York City get ALL the implications of what she was saying.
😂😂
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@@sophiejones7727 I suspect that Candace Bushnell just has problematic taste in men. I don't know if she's ever explicitly talked about politics either so for all we know...
@@TheSongwritingCat yeah, that's what I was talking about. Until 2016 people outside NYC only knew that he was a somewhat shady businessman. You had to read New York tabloids to know he was basically the ultimate expression of the trope discussed in this video with a side order of idiot.
I love these “trope” videos
Seconded, my absolute favourite video series of theirs! 💕
Yeah. Absolute nonsense most of them.
Me too!!
Trope videos are a trope by themself. They help you reading a screenplay. They teach you nothing about real life.
@@guywithdacap4713 they never said they were teaching you things for real life tho lol. these videos are just to help you understand the history of tropes we see on tv all the time. ain't that deep
The toxic thing about this is that every romcom or other movie teaches girls that the ladiesman will magically wake up and see how special you are, even though their previous behavior is not right or respectful. So once he realises this, he will suddenly change. It does not matter if the lady in the movie sleeps with him very quickly, he will magically see her as she is because he realises she is the one? While in real life he will see her as a quick hookup and never calls her back. And if the lady does give her opinion, she is "stuck up", learns to relax and he will suddenly not chase all the women because she is the one. God, hollywood, step up your game! :P What about teaching girls to stay away from toxic people so they can learn that it will not attract good things.
Stories feature redemption of irredemible characters all the time.
Nobody hates star wars because the genocidal Darth Vader redeems himself.
Not every story has to be a life lesson about what you should look for in a partner. It's entertainment, not education.
@@Linkfanoftheyear While it might not be education, they push a narrative conscious or non conscious. Once the mind has seen something over and over again, it registers it as a truth. That's why politics differ based on what news source you use.
Having sex with lots of women is not necessarily wrong or disrespectful. It depends on how you go about it. The same applies to women and men.
@Angelina Pattern Who says they are boasting about it? In my experience men who boast about their sexual conquests have rarely done what they are boasting about. Often it's the man who scored with a woman who he thinks is way out of his league, probably when she was drunk, who boasts the most.
Basically the bad boy but if he was a womanizer.
Edit: So he’s basically the bad boy, but more polished. Is that correct?
Ian Michael The sarcasm in this comment physically attacked me 😂
@LEO2001 No they aren't. Some of them are just reclusive, or not particularly interested in women.
Oh. I can see this being a whole squares and rectangles situation
Found the incel
The bad boy usually is a womanizer. The difference between them is that the bad boy is defined by being rebellious and the sense of danger. The ladies’ man is defined by his charm.
Zeus wasn't a ladies man, he just really got off on assault
"allegedly"
A I lmao
I mean so did Bond so.....
Like remember that time James Bond literally forced himself on a lesbian agent while "romantic" music played??? She was his coworker dammit and should've just been eyeing up the ladies alongside him but noo
@@kaitlyn__L Wtf? That's horrendous. I assume that was in a Sean Connery movie. I haven't seen any of them but he seems r*pey as hell in those
I'm a simple lady. I saw a trope analysis, I'm here.
Uma brasileira detectada?
Oh, you're part of a new trope then :))
Same! Haha!
It’s interesting that movies’ reform of ladies men is almost always without them (finding the right one or maybe parenthood). Inferred solutions like this remind me of how movies insinuate women need a man or children to be happy. We need more ladies man reforms that end in single life with healthy relationships (not necessarily romantic) and healthy habits. Because pointing out a void and filling it with “the one” constantly may not be the solution for everyone.
@John Lord ladie’s men
Agree.
And thus the effect of the Hays Code present themselves again.
What about joey? He didnt find the one. He was just happy with his friends.
Yeah exactly, not everybody is meant to be in a monogamous relationship
Several layers of "ew" at the majority of these characters.
🙌🏼so true 🤮
I don't remember Femme Fatales getting 'ew'ed like this last week, though... Y'all be bugging, man.
@@manniking233 fame fatales are considered broke and whores and usually pay for their promiscuity whoever the ladies man is glorified and celebrated just tell me how many ladies men die by the end of their movies ?needles to say both characters are manipulative af aand ew and are seen as better than the rest just for using their productive organs more than the rest of the cast
@@Chris-rg6nm did you see horror movies sis when a women sleeps around she gets killed brutally lol , it is a fact that most sexually active women in movies especially in older cinema gets not just a bad end but DEATH while the ladies men is glorified and celebrated .
@@manniking233
Double standards
Barney from HIMYM is such a strange thing. I mean, he does a LOT of truly reprehensible things. LIke, borderline sociopathic behavior (once he said he may have accidentally sold a woman into slavery...). The only reason that people still like his character, is because of Neil Patrick Harris. He's just so damn likeable & charming, and he seems like a really great guy irl (his family is fucking ADORABLE). I'm wondering if there is a character in existence that he could play, and that the viewer would actually hate, or that anyone he'd play would automatically just be too likeable. Seriously, I'd like to see him in a REALLY hateable roll, just as an experiment. Like, prince Joffrey- level hateable XD.
Roxy: If you think about it Sit-Coms, on the whole, rely on both over the top characters and situations. Think of Ab Fab. Patsy and Edina were horrid. They actually did sell Edina's daughter into slavery.
He already did a hateable character. The stalker in gone girl.
He also plays count Olaf in the Netflix series of unfortunate events
Count Olaf?
@@TheGhostofAbigailMills Yeah we get to see some of the nicer/vulnerable bits of Barney from Ted's perspective - which serves to soften his character.
The amount of Bojack Horseman in these makes me ever so happy.
JC Not after these you forgot to write videos. And instead of ever you mean very
And take out the so
@@grammaticalerrors3576 actually JC Not's sentence makes perfect sense, search it up. Also don't you have better things to do than to 'correct' people?
I noticed all the ways Mr Peanutbutter was bad at relationships and boundaries right from the very start, even when other people were saying "naw, he's sweet, BoJack is the asshole".... so I was very vindicated when the story actually Went There with him ^_____^ they're both assholes in very different ways! Ugh Bojack is so good, it's so.. at first it feels like they're probably not going to go anywhere meaningful and everyone is just comedy characters... but then they DO start analysing all these consequences and it's so beautiful. It's a deeply silly world, but all the consequences people face are very very real.
Facts I’ve been watching that show lately
I adore these “trope” videos! So well written
You mean written by a frustrated woman? Sure.
Julian Left if there’s only one person that seems frustrated or bored out of their mind in the comment section, well, spoilers alert, it’s you ! Don’t kid yourself into thinking your little parody of cynicism actually manages to undermine the people you address with such shallow arguments, it would be way too candid of you :)
Gosh, I do hate this trope SO much. So obnoxious, misogynist, and active in misleading centuries of men into toxic masculinity.
Totally concurred, it paints a highly unlikely stereotype of men, and it's indeed toxic and damaging! 😾
And yet this is what most women love and guess what. If it ain't this trope it's going to be another one. And then you'll have discussion about why that trope exists. Etc. People will always find reasons to complain. Snowflakes. Imagine being handsome and well versed is toxic being called as toxic masculinity. Sorry that sexes scare you.
Julian Left didn’t know you talked to most of the 3.5 billion women on Earth
Toxic masculinity is a female construct invented to demonize men.
There is no such thing as toxic masculinity. Making someone less of a man isn’t going to make him a better person. He will just be a more feminine version of that same bad guy
"Women want them, men want to be them." Okay but as a bisexual, I want both.
LIyre nice dude
As a lesbian, I am very familiar with that "do I want her or want to BE her" feeling........
Fav comment 😂
Barney couldn’t even remember the name of his daughter’s mother, so I wouldn’t call him “reformed”.
Always wondered why this trope works so well as an object of fantasy for female viewers.
Is it that they think they can "tame" him? Are they eager to "win" the "competition" for his grace\affection\time? Do they assume he must hold some magical sexual prowess, through experience or otherwise? Do they actually want someone to lie to them, or are they so jaded at some point in life they figure everyone does, so they might as well? Or is it just the fact they pick handsome, articulate actors for the role with the best cliche writing available?
As a female, I think it has something to do with the handsome actors and writing, something to do with “winning” the competition, but also the idea that this guy could have any woman he chooses and he chooses you
I mean, you also gotta remember misogyny and male predatory behavior has been indoctrinated in our culture as a whole for CENTURIES that its extremely easy to see all of toxic behaviors as positive and attractive
@@Meg-bw3yx A somewhat derogatory theory I heard once "Women don't assess the fundamental quality of the man they meet. They assess the woman he's with or was with".
To answer your question, I think it works well because for a brief moment we (female viewer) can imagine that this guy knows what life is actually about, has some handle on the meaning of the universe, has gained some knowledge about existence, because how could he be so cocky if this were not true? Right? So she goes with him and then at some point realizes, nope, there is no meaning in life. Period. lol.
@@rlynn6658
“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”
― Bertrand Russell
This trope always just reminds me how gay I am 😂. Great video!
😂😂😂
Aren't there any LGBTQ equivalents to the Ladies Man?😶
@@dithaingampanmei no, women can't detach emotions from sex, men can do it better. When women think they can, its called being a who** and instead of the success and options of a man with experience a girl is left stretched out body and unable to connect emotionally to any new guy. Men are attracted to purity, women are attracted to men that know what they are doing.
I always find it weird that the ladies man (although being creepy and predactious) are mostly shown as redeemed guys and the nice guys who treat their love interests with respect mostly don't get the girl and nowadays are shown as creepy.
Are the love interests even remotely interested in these nice guys in the beginning? IE. is the woman trying to choose between a ladies man and a good guy, both of whom she is interested in? Cause continuing to pursue someone who is not remotely interested in you is not respectful, and is creepy.
They depicted that trope, and as a former "nice guy" i can grant you, it is exactly like they put it. Nice guys are scared to show their true intentions and generally expect rewards for being polite.
@@byMidnyt you are correct if the girl has never shown interest in the nice guy but what about actual love triangle? In himym (if you have watched the show), Ted( the nice guy) loved Robin immensely and did a lot for her but she didn't commit to him and yet married barney even though throughout the years Barney(the womaniser) had treated women in the worst way
In tvd also, Elena left Stefan, a guy who was soinlovewith her for her brother Damon who did awful things.
Some nice guys might be creepy but I have never a guy like that once get the girl if there is a choice between him and womaniser.
@@Swiftiebooklover7 Honestly, I haven't watched either. I did read TVD books, but it was a long time ago and I don't remember them, so I don't know how much the show deviated. I won't argue the abuse of the trope in triangles in TV/movies though. We've started deconstructing "the nice guy", but I don't think anyone will argue we're not even close to being done. We'll eventually get there with the "bad boy" as well.
11:09 "the next donald trump you say?"
runs away
I personally never understood the appeal of the ladies man...
Because it proves to the women that their better than all the other girls he slept with...
Me neither.
@@wmhaynwwsmn That might actually be pretty accurate.
Personally, I've written a ladies man but it was for a character who was incredibly in denial about being aromantic
The Medicated Artist because women desire a man who is already pre selected amongst other women be it consciously or sub consciously
Probably because it was written by men
Notice how like none of these guys are black men, that's why black people talk about representation.
I look forward to the video on the gangster trope cuz then we'll see a video fill of Italian and black actors
Netflix's sex educations ladies man is a black guy
@@rehanabegum975 that's now tho because we are having this conversation
Tim Meadows
Shaft?
Agreed, although Tim Meadows played a womaniser in the aptly titled, "The Ladies Man", as pictured in the thumbnail. ❤️
17.38 : "To realize that he game has changed" Sweetheart, the game hasn't changed, it never changes. The only thing that changes are the players. And round and round we go.
Daniel Craig is my favorite Bond for a reason. Having the women be a character alongside him that can stretch over multiple movies, instead of just being a sex prop in one movie and forgotten the next has been such a breath of fresh air. I’ll be sad to say goodbye after Bond 25 💔
J2thePower0f3 but there is a problem with long time fans and this version of Craig makes me wonder if we are in the last years for this character.
Okay it’s great they want to adapt the character to modern sensibilities but doesn’t doing it destroys the essence or the appeal of the character.
Big part of why People loved that character is because. he was a ladies man and was always played by a handsome actor to make this believable now taking that out of him makes the character boring to the long time fans.
I really wonder if Bond is an outdated character
Hmm, I had no idea. He just became less ugly to me, LOL
Sara Zonana I think Craig’s Bond is still a healthy amount of ladies man. You can love sex and being with many women and still show them respect-which I think they’ve balanced well with his portrayal. Daniel Craig presents him as being comfortable in his sexuality and masculinity that he doesn’t need to treat women as lesser. That alone makes him sexy IMO and I don’t feel he’s lost the characters essence by doing so 🤷♀️
@@J2thePower0f3 Craig is really good and definitely looks masculine but it’s not him treating women with respect which makes the character loose it’s essence but with the exception of Skyfall they are giving the character a serious Love interest in Madeline and before her Vesper.
@@sarizonana and that may be so for some fans. I think that just comes down to personal opinion. I personally love that he’s had a couple love interests span more than one movie. I feel it adds depth to his character. Even ladies men can fall in love every once and a while. Doesn’t mean he’ll end up with them forever, he just was interested them longer. I can see someone not liking it though if they prefer his MO of the past.
To me, his full love for Vesper and how she betrayed him explains why he wouldn’t open himself up to that again in the future. And he didn’t really until after Skyfall, which is the movie where I feel he had the most personal growth about his past. So after that movie I would argue it makes sense that he might be more open again to a longer relationship with Lea Sedeoux’s character. It might be less bond-esque, but I personally find it more interesting as a character arc over his movies. They feel a lot more connected together.
There's rarely ever one side at fault for these stereotypes. Theyre like black holes where something has to feed it in order for it to survive. While men are responsible for their own actions and how they treat women, the other side of the coin is that within the spectrum that is women (and men), there are some who continue to feed reward to these people. Thats a hard sell in today's age where everything is polarized into black and white, but that is the reality that consistently plays itself out. Good vid.
You didn't mention the best ladies' man redemption movie out there: Scott Pilgrim vs. the World. Even when he literally earns "The Power of Love", true love for the right girl, he still can't win against Gideon, he still loses. He can succeed only when he earns " The Power of Self Respect" and takes accountability for his mistakes, for being a cheating ladies' man and hurting every girl he's ever been with. Watching it for the first time I was baffled why a character so in love with himself would need even more self respect, but then I understood that he didn't have any. He was in love only with his distorted view of himself, but he never had enough self respect to confront his true, messy persona
I would love your take on the "crazy cat lady" trope
so much better than screenrant!! thank you sm!
I'm doing a take on 'the Take' calling it, the Took.
I think the most interesting iteration of this trope for me is the subcategory of positively (ish) viewed ladies' men created by female authors, screenwriters, and directors. Ladies' men usually are the product of male wish fulfillment to some extent, so it's fascinating to see it co-opted by female creators, adapting it into female wish fulfillment. Fifty shades of grey was so popular because the fantasy wasn't a womanizer who does whatever he wants, but a man who magically acts on the exact fantasies and desires of the female lead. Of course, there are a lot of problems with those types of characters, but it's still fascinating to see what happens with positive female gaze on that trope.
You it's "positive female gaze" when female writers do the exact same thing male writers do? Fifty shades of Grey still had the guy totally in control of her life and could do anything she wanted. How is that any different to ladies men who knew exactly what to say to charm women?
Amazing, just when I think there's no more ideas you pull another one out of your hat! These videos are amazing ❤️
The cultural assault on man who wish to be free is the exactly opposite of what feminism is supposed to stand for. There's no point on shaming man for not wanting to live in a church and only have monogamic relationships, even though a decent chunk of these trope are over compensating loneliness, it is NOT fair to generalize it to all man who don't submit to the christian traditional model of man and woman relationship's.
That's literally not what this is, but go off, I guess.
@Trinket Mage No, that is not what Feminism "literally translates to". And, if you and your fellow mra/mgtow/whatever the hell ant-feminist Bitter Bettys knew a damn thing about what Egalitarianism actually is, then you would've long since discovered that Feminism aka Gender Egalitarianism (yes, you read that right) is an offshoot of...well...Egalitarianism, essentially.
So, sorry, lads...turns out you can't have complete Egalitarianism without Feminism.
Notice how the "ladies man" starts as two things, a God or supernatural entity (not for itself but as a representation of higher powers, desire, values or lacktherof, and so on), and as a cautionary tale (both about an agressor as well as a weak individual that fails to resist his weakness and fails to ignore the pain of his voids and desperations that drive him into transgressions), then it slowly makes its return back to its roots, and once more it becomes a cautionary tale, only difference is, that it now has a happy ending, one of reform and forgiveness whereas before ""Such is the end of the evildoer: the death of a sinner always reflects his life"" and ultimately the tragedy of others rather than your own would be the true happy ending.
That said, this feels more like a general anthology rather than an explenation of a trope(s), so far which has been my issue with many of your video essays the take, although I enjoyed this one at least, informative and entertaining anthologies always estimulate further research, and I am thankful for that.
One more thing, I do not know how to call it, but I feel like one type was left out, one that is more of an entity but encarnated, one that is a supporting character, it is usually the lover the strong female protagonist cheats his imposed lover with, or it is usually the super natural character that appears out of nowhere to satiate the desires of the female character, in a way, it is the Zeus-like character of our time, whereas meant to dominate the woman entirely, or just to be her significant other on the side, whatever the purpose the character is serving in whatever story. In my opinion, not making a mention to close this loop, disregards the ultimate tale of the ladies man.
You guys should analyze Pick Up Artists.
They just did...that was the video. If you mean real life pick up artists then that is not their role. They are a media channel
10 years ago the community would made a good trope video, but now it has evolved with RSD(The main company on the area) moving into general self development and teaching meditation, focus, self esteem, etc. The creepy guys with pre made lines have just vanished,
"Is there hope for the ladies' man?"
Who said the ladies man needs hope?
He is the hope of many men.
@dil oreo Sounds like you're shaming that person
That lady's dress in 17.26 looks gorgeous
I've never heard of Lothario as a synonim to Don Juan and I'm spaniard... I feel ashamed.
That 950k is now 995k... getting ever closer to 1 million! Congrats, you deserve it.
What ever happened to that orange is the new black video?
They get tons of different requests with every new video. I'm sure they will get to it. 😁👍
Jimenez maybe. It’s been 5 months and I haven’t seen them reply fo any comments so who knows.
@@Thatonegirl989 For all we know, they could be working on the script right now! :D
8:38 Looks just like the house in Two And A Half Men. Is it a coincidence that it pops up while they talk about punishing Ladies Men? xD
James Bond (Sean Connery) and Don Draper are the same, especially for the 60s caricature of a man. They got ALL of the women they desired without any resistance. Big from SITS was kinda the same way for the 90s/2000s. JFK said one his favorite books was a James Bond novel by Ian Fleming.
I'm confused on the different types of ladies men. The third and fourth ones seem almost identical to me, and there's a lot of overlap with the second type
Are we getting rid of the Femme Fatale trope? Then why do we want to get rid of the Ladies Man trope?
Your videos are the hightlights of my quarantine evenings, keep them coming !
This video introduced me to “Down with Love” and I have to thank you for that. What a bizarre, great movie.
Y’all did it again! Love this!
Great video, great insightful analysis as always. Nonetheless, it's hard not to perceive the final 'redemption' of the ladies man through settling down with one women as one of the key fundaments of the widely popular yet quite often harmful women's fantasy about changing a 'bad boy' through the power of 'one true love' that lead to many young women believing that they aren't enough to 'tame' ladies man or putting them in a clearly submissive position in a relationship where they would be more likely to put up with potential abuse in order to keep the 'bad boy' around.
There can be a difference between Ladies Man and Chick Magnet. I've read some adult westerns like Longarm or The Trailsman who bed 2-4 women in every novel. The difference is the woman seduces the hero into sex for one reason or another. But he makes no effort to refuse unless she is married or something like that.
In reality, ladies men growing out of it is because of their choice and immense willpower to do so, not because of a 'deep' romantic connection (which is f*cking rare). Only few men I know get to this point and changed, very few and it's quite painful to know about their root cause and their journey. Any events or situations, even severe ones still won't make most men change imo. Trope portrays only few hours and multiple seasons, but true change and pain lasted almost years to decades depending on the individuals. Media doesn't heavily justify how much LONG time, effort, and pain it is to 'growing out'.
Is the conclusion that the free sex liberation of the ladies man is inherently wrong and that we should all strive towards monogamy? Is there a way to be a considerate ladies man or should promiscuous behaviour be shamed and looked down upon?
3:10 DON LOTHARIO
Something that just popped in my head tho :who's Alani (sorry for not knowing the spelling) if you are Susannah and Debra?!
"It's my duty, to please that booty."
😂😂😂😂
Never go back to what broke you they ain't going to change just who they hurt
Shepherd's Chapel Network !!!!!!! "Getting Down to Where the Rubber Meets the Road" ....... Amen
DON DRAPER!!! Love any Mad Men reference! (Also liked the Don Juan reference, I thought that movie was pretty good!)
I would like to see you guys do more anime explaining videos- A good one to start with that I would love to see is the Sailor Scouts and how they embody their planets, and how they represent different elements of strength.
I think the biggest problem with these kind of movies or character is when the viewer see themselves as which character like for example in the case of barney I think a lot of women would think of themselves as Robin or Sarah the one that would change him and makes be a "better man" when in fact a lot of them will be the random girls that come for one episode and just basically get their heart broken
me and my friends used to play a game where we take a show and try to tell each of us which character we are the closest to
all of us would have a character in mind thinking "ofcourse i'm this guy/girl" and think everybody will think the same and almost always they would say another character that they all agree on so we see ourselves in a different way and a lot of the times it's the wrong way or the polished way
The paradox of overcompensating with sexual conquest to mask my personal insecurities is something I can relate to.
You should mention the movie What Woman Want (2001). It's a great deconstruction of this trope.
I was watching Austin Powers last night so this is perfect lol
“Dawn One” lol
I think the thing the post-modern deconstruction of the Ladies' Man trope is trying to teach us is that while promiscuity isn't automatically unhealthy, _compulsive_ promiscuity - to the exclusion of an ability to intimately connect - always is.
Why it was glamourised for so long is the real mystery.
I really like that Daniel Craig himself try to change the ways of the Bond franchise
Marque de Sad. The original 50 shades of gray
Listen the thing is, the only thing worse than being a ladies man is NOT being a ladies man. I'll explain why...
If your a normal guy women won't notice you, you'll get a girlfriend who's settling on you.
Whereas being a ladies man is something to be admired because it takes skill - but going to the next paradigm after that is no easy feat.
There’s a trope that’s so powerful that it's not even on this list and its The Lover - like a Sexual Guru...
A Man that gives a woman the best sex she’ll ever have that has an open heart, is deeply vulnerable and empathetic BUT is also strong, has boundaries and dominate.
Of course the best man is one who has integrated the 4 Masculine Archetypes - The King, Warrior, Magician and Lover.
When the man accepts himself, loves himself and can love beautiful women and everyone on the planet more than they even love themselves is a powerful positive force.
I’m on that path of being the integrated lover and man.
The ladies man is good if his intention is that he loves women and femininity. It’s bad when it’s coming from the egoic shadow form of selfishness.
Society doesn’t like the ladies man because he gets all the attention and love from women so the other men in the society become jealous and punish him.
The ladies man is defined by his era. The lover is defined by the most passionate of experience
Around second wave feminism the ladies man was made to look bad (not that it can't be) but I’m more interested about the agenda behind it…
The real truth is that most guys want a girlfriend but when women and life reject him he learns that the game must be played and the kinks within him expelled
Men without being shown a healthy way of getting their needs met will seek down divergent paths in search of answers
Learning to love yourself is an internal process of self-acceptance
Men admire the ladies man lifestyle and choice of women, on the outside it looks like they love him for him.
With Genuine attachment - what if you lose, get taken advantage of? These fears subconsciously let them inflict these onto women.
When you’ve seen so much and are stuck attracting ‘damaged’ in its many formed women (as most of us are) it’s a process to be truly connected in a healthy way to another.
It’s NOT about the women or woman that may seem more convincing… but yourself.
Conquer your own fears and you will be the master of the universe.
Another thing worth asking here is how friends and children relate to this fictional guy and the real men who imitate this trope. In my experience, men who get hyper-focused on appearing to have dating and sex figured out like a game are alienated from women and don't have nonsexual female friends, and nothing drives off close male friendship like competitive the alpha male stuff. Kids, meanwhile, seem not to exist to these guys except as they relate to the possibility of pregnancy stopping their sexual conquests. I guess interactions with kids are where you really see the act fall apart. Who are these guys when paired with people too young to relate to their main focus in life--sex?
Myra Groenewegen Seriously? No matter what they say or do, ALL men are driven by the desire to procreate! They don5 even realize it themselves!
You didn’t have hitch on there?
They had the confession clip.
Hold on! This is the same rehashing of the Bad boy trope video!
I wish “The Take” looked at the repressive intentions of male tropes with the same lens that they look at the repressive intentions of female tropes. This video talks a lot about the way that the “ladies man” is portrayed as immature and empty but the video doesn’t challenge that view or critically ask “why?” This is really not much different from the “lonely career woman” trope that sees every independent woman as requiring a committed man to fulfill her and bring value to her life. In both cases, committed relationships=adulthood/value while independence=incomplete. If a man wants to live independently and not pursue marriage, he should be able to do that with as much freedom and validity as a woman who decides to focus on her independence rather than seek "fulfillment" with a man. If this was a female trope, "The Take" would have celebrated the portrayal of an independent woman who doesn't see a relationship as necessary for happiness. Why can't we send the same message to men? Why do we have slam them for being "creepy"?
It would be interesting to use Shane from L Word (even though she's not a man), the ending to the show was so realistic because in the end the "right woman" didn't make her commit. She was just alone and that's how it usually is.
When are we getting a Ken Cosgrove VE?
Learning to love himself, by focusing on a single woman and finding the right lady...
Isn't that a contradiction?
There are recent examples of women Casanova, like Vilanelle in killing Eve. Although she definitely fits in the fourth category considering she’s a psychopath
Can you guys do one about the woman who thinks she can change every man. To me it sounds like that's who the all of these lady man movies are made for.
if the conclusion is for him to find the perfect woman to make him monogamous....it’s basically another version of the beauty and the beast trope , and I’ve got no time for that shite ,
That Tony Stark is soooo annoying. I'm glad his movies are done with and he died. Such a jerk
Somebody's hurt. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Emmanuel Agyei-Boakye Somebody's offended 😂😂😂😂😂😂
My current boyfriend tried to be the player seducer in college but then he met me and we became friends and eventually went out.
Well I’m a lady’s man. I’m gonna admit it on here. I do it because I can. Some times I do it out of boredom other times I do it because I feel a strange conquest feeling in me. I’m not talking about the pants I’m talking this weird feeling in my heart. Any how I just do it because I can. It’s weird really at one point I was with 9 different women and the trope of me breaking up with them and leaving them in tears is pretty darn accurate. Oh well lol.
Please make a video about Regina Mill (Evil queen) from Once upon a time
I'm surprised Johnny Bravo isn't mentioned
Wasn’t he unsuccessful with women?
Austin Powers, Johnny Bravo and Quagmire are parodies of the ladies' man - the unsuccessful creep.
Great as usual, girls!! Just to clear things up: The Alpha Male gets the women unintentionally just for being who he is, but he doesn't hate women particulary (Bond hates everybody since he's a symbol of the British empire, and Bruce Wayne uses this persona as a mask to hide his true self: Batman). I think The Player and The satanic seducer might have different motivations, but they'll get the same result: hurting women. The first is insecure deep inside so he needs seducing to feel better about himself (women compensating for lack of self esteem). Only the second (a true misogynist) seems motivated by revenge: being hurt by women early in his life (See Jack Nicholson in Carnal Knowledge). And the pathological pleaser seems like just a sex addict who can't control his impulses... Thanx, girls, this has been a truly great series so far... LuvU, bye, bye!!
I live for this content
Great video
There is too much John Hammon than I feel I’m supposed to be seeing.
I wanted clips of David Tennant as Casanova to be used 😭😭😭
The fact that Joey Tribbiani is not in the thumbnail is a crime
bruce isnt exactly a ladies man, he uses the persona as a front to better distinct himself from the idealistic batman. hes actually only been with 3 women in the films.
it's important to note that even though these men can be reformed by a monogamous relationship does not mean that it is a woman's responsibility to be this for one. that sort of thinking can lead to being stuck in a toxic relationship with a leech-like, manipulative boyfriend who pleas with you not to leave because you "make him a better version of himself".
THIS!
YES! I've had friends who try to be that girl for shitty guys, and it never ends well!
EXACTLY!
That is why I think poor examples of this trope use the “right woman” as excuse to reform him, whereas good examples use his reformation as a way to help him find her, if that makes sense.
I think that the main thing that this video gets wrong in the first place is that a monogamous relationship can necessarily "fix" anybody. The only way anybody can be fixed is to deal with their shit.
Also, there are plenty of people who practice polyamory in a healthy way, with the informed consent of everyone involved. Finding "the one" isn't the end-all be-all.
The myth of the perfect woman changing him is just that. Even if he falls in love, in real life players still play. He might marry her but still pursue sex with other women.
That's the thing that always bothers me about this trope. It's rampant in romance novels. A guy like this is not just gonna change his ways over night, just because he "fell in love" with a girl. Love doesn't prevent cheating.
Valley of the Dolls book teach me that at 12.
There's also the third possibility, of the ladies' man marrying a woman who is into having a swinger lifestyle.
@@ShawnRavenfire Except the ladies man isn't a swinger. While on the surface they might appear similar, a deeper look will show that they are quite different. A swinger is going to say from the start: "this is what I am, this is what I am into." A ladies man wants to be the winner, he doesn't want to share. He will also actively avoid his female equivalent. There's an inherent dishonestly to the ladies man.
Midnyt Storme Absolutely agreed. If anything the ‘Ladies’ Man’ will be repulsed by an openly non-monogamous female and might even try and shame her into monogamy with him. If he “wins” her this way, he can promptly lose interest and continue conquering others.
Like 90% of tv "ladies men" would absolutely be considered predators in the real world.
The only reason these people are blind to it is because of their appearance 😪
What about Fonz or Zack Morris?
No, they're attractive. Attractive men get away with this stuff
Damon Salvatore
Quagmire
unfortunately, it is in the hope of changing a Ladies' Man that countless women accept to be treated in a misogynistic manner by men who are simply bad. Woman, it's not your job to change an asshole!!
Women should stop being attracted to assholes in the first place. Why not go after the good men at first and avoid the whole headache?
Being a ladies man isn't about tricking ladies, it's about tricking men into thinking that they're getting ladies
LMAO. Then how do you explain the fact that they're actually getting ladies? Just yikes. Bunch of snowflakes on this channel who want to force their own fantasy ass views on the world.
*Quagmire from Family Guy has left the chat*
Julian Left you are talking about fictional characters and the women they sleep with are fictional characters as well. So what do you mean with they actually get women??
I think it's a bit of both. I have seen these types of tricks actually work on some women
Julian Left uh you know that most films are projected fantasies right
Im loving this Dive into Male archetypes! it was interesting to see how all female character types were always a form of male fantasy
Ditto, it's a seriously compelling insight into gender tropes, and how they may function as "wish fulfilment" for its target demographic. 🎯😊
Trina Q yup! im excited for this new wave of movies that focus on representation for demographics and not a stereotype for onlookers
I agree but the more I dive into archetypes the more I realize, they all come down to being some form of male fantasy or focus. Due to the gross gender norms and oppression of female authors we have very few archetypes created with out a connection to the male gaze.
B Black i think so too, the early forms of entertainment were books and since women were rarely given “a room of ones own” as virgina wolf would put it their voices and experiences rarely were told and if theybwere afforded the opportunity they either told to change the plot in order for it to be profitable or it came from upper class white women who had a completely different relationship with their gender and the expectations they had compared to working class people
@@trinaq Ladies-men need to settle for one woman for redemption. And women need redemption by sleeping with plenty of men and having her man accept that she may need sex outside her relationship.
Noticed how all the male archetype (including the nerd/good guy) are all considered toxic and all the female ones (including the evil girls) are considered as a product of toxic male fantasy?
Modern day love and analysis. -_-
In my opinion Barney's behavior is not only an attempt to bring laughs, but also a way to ridiculize the trope with his exaggerated playbooks and bro codes. Barney's attempts to get laid were ridiculous, I think man who idolize him are seriously missing the point
Maybe, but let's not ignore the fact that countless men and boys used to and even continue to worship this bloke
that may be true, but it's presented in an empathetic way
@@bethjung9991 I think the fact that he's gay in real life just makes it more ironic.
I did his ridiculous attempts and it worked 😂😂😂
I thought his character was supposed to be a complete mockery of the LaDIesMAn
Brandt: “Is that all you got? A cheap trick and a cheesy one liner?”
Tony Stark: “Sweetheart, that could be the name of my autobiography.”
It's funny bc his last actions alive were exactly that
cheap trick: absorbing the stones into his suit
cheesy one liner: "and I am Iron Man"
John Doe woah dude
His tricks are not cheap darling
@kshiftkometh....................Pepper Potts
@kshiftkometh seeing a lot of comments from you all over this video, armchair diagnosing practically every guy here... are you taking psychology in uni or something? You're authoritatively stating a LOT of things that are quite difficult to diagnose in real life and require a great deal of care when doing so because misdiagnosis can result in treatments that don't help or even make things worse, and pile on social stigma. This usually means actual professionals hedge their words and make measured guesses, especially given fictional men are just that, and have no real life to look deeper into for true answers. While people who are just learning all this stuff and common signs to watch out for seem much more likely to just start diagnosing practically every fictional character, as their brain is chewing on all these new ideas and warning signs and behavioural patterns... there's an element of Dunning-Kruger that can occur where one's own perceived expertise is at its highest when just beginning to learn more advanced concepts.
It would be interesting to hear you guys analyse how animation over the various periods have changed. It might sound odd but it would be interesting to hear you guys look at sexism in animation (for kids as well as adults). Looking at jokes mocking woman, females not being comical characters in comedy genres, and also how females have evolved from stereotypes (like the hot woman or cute character in something like Animaniacs) into a more layered and sometimes the most hilarious character (like Mabel Pines or Linda Belcher).
Yessss! This is such a good idea!
👍🏿 great suggestion!
I agree, that sounds like a Marvellous suggestion, and shows how attitudes towards women or sexism have evolved over the years, from Betty Boop to Wilma Flintstone, to Marge Simpson. 💕
Agreed! Really want to see more videos from them on animated shows.
Oh my Godness yes! Just a few decades ago, most cartoons had some heavily sexualized female character and punchline was either about all the boys following her around, or her being dumb because shes pretty. I'm pretty sure this was an episode in Tom and Jerry infact loll. Fast forward to the decade of Tina Belcher, Princess caroline and Lana Kane who've taken these tropes, turned them on their ass and shot them into space.
I don't really believe in the 'reforming' of a ladies man. If a guy is too 'popular' with the women, I'm automatically uninterested, since I don't believe people really change, especially for someone. He might fall in love, be faithfull even, but eventually he'd get bored and turn back to his old ways.
Guys don't change suddenly when they meet 'the one'. That's a fantasy. If a guy changes, it's because of his own reasons, for example, because he just ages out of the womanizing.
Roxy Woodward yeah sometimes being a ladies man is just a phase, a moment in their lives when when guys just don’t feel like engaging yet and go out with many women but are still not interested in something serious.
There are ladies man that ofcourse will never change but I think for others it might just be a phase in their life and no the perfect woman won’t change him but a certain moment in their life might.
Maybe like seeing all his friends are now getting married and is staying without company for the party or going out. With Tony Stark it wasn’t about Pepper being the right woman more like he went through Afghanistan and then the palladium poisoning which made him realize that he wasn’t in the mood for being a womanizer anymore
I know of one time, and one time only, where it worked in real life, and that's because the ladies' man wasn't an ass to women. All the girls but one wanted my dad, and all the guys wanted to be him. Good looking, athlete from a good family with some money, raised to be a gentleman, etc. The one who couldn't care less was my mother. She was pretty, but had not much else going for her. Criminal family, her siblings kept being arrested by my dad's dad and his fellow officers. Because she wasn't interested in offering herself on a silver platter, that intrigued him, and he made a real effort to get to know her and earn her friendship.
It's interesting to me that, despite being raised with men always holding the door and such, things that aren't bad manners today, he twisted it into whoever gets to the door first holds it, regardless of the person's sex. He did right in teaching me and my brother than those gentlemanly ways applied to both of us since it was just plain the right thing to do. In the 80's and 90's this wasn't considered feminism since men were still expected to pay on dates and such, but it was.
I guess it depends on how he is "popular". I know a couple of guys that have dated around a lot, and they are very popular with the ladies, but I wouldn't classify them as ladies men. They are certainly not ready to settle down yet, but at the same time, are not actively opposed to the idea. Although I suppose from a distance, if they do find someone, it might appear to the outside that they were reformed. But these types are simply genuinely nice, outgoing people. There's an honesty and an authenticity in them that you simply don't see in the ladies man. I will say however, if the woman doesn't turn out to be "the one" she might misclassify him in hindsight out of anger or hurt. I think this is the true damage of the "reformed ladies man" trope. The ladies man actively perpetuates the idea that he is ready to settle down, this guy does not. If he tells her from the start that he's not ready to settle down, and she sticks around hoping he'll change, that's on her.
@dil oreo Not wanting a committed relationship is not a sign of trauma or mental issues.
I feel like if they were to truly change it will be for himself and not because he found “the one”
We are getting treaaated during our quarantine. So many tropes at the moment, I love it