Hello you savages. Get my free Reading List of 100 life-changing books here - chriswillx.com/books/ Here's the timestamps: 00:00 Why Mads’ Activism Caused Trouble 05:59 The Stats That Caught Mads’ Attention 09:23 Why is a Declining Birth Rate a Bad Thing? 23:51 Is Mads the Vanguard of This Issue? 27:01 The Global Issues Causing a Birth Rate Crisis 39:09 Do Men Need to Change & Improve? 47:42 How Society Can Help Elevate Men 57:07 How to Improve Our Mating Ideology 1:02:31 The Actual Reasons Why People Aren’t Having Kids 1:08:09 Opposition to Mads’ Work 1:19:01 Where to Find Mads
Great interview, you are right up there with Rogan in my opinion. This is behavioral sink, this is a death of purpose, leading to self worship and entropy. We must diagnose this psychosis and find out how to help people and bring more life into this world.
Animals in captivity often breed less due to stress, limited space, disrupted social structures, and unnatural environments. Poor diet or health issues can also impact fertility.
Our society is a worse rat-race than many of the vocal social critics in the 80's could have foreseen. Social media has definitely made us unsocial and purchasing power for the individual consumer is going down the drain. Salaries/wages are stagnant and housing prices and the cost of daily products and services just keep going up. Combine this with an ever-present sense of impending chaos and doom with the economy and you have a terrible mess on your hands.
I was just thinking about this the other day-- most of our issues come from legal and social systems (and elites running all that) trying to tame us into submission in increasingly tinier spaces and lives like we are factory-farmed chickens. And we wonder why we all feel like crap, some folks start acting out like a tiger pacing in its cage, why many of us are sad like animals out of their native environment in a small box, and why we all seem to succumb to illnesses our great-grandparents never saw? We are like zoo animals being kept in small cages being fed the wrong food because it's cheap... only we have to work to keep our cage!
The biggest problem is the world-view that has been stripped away - the biblical world-view. The general world-view *can* exist without a true belief, such as in the 1980s, and, IMO, that would make society happier.
You didnt listen to single thing said by the person who actually studies this. The natural tendency of women does not match to evenly distributed pair bonding..... They either want to get the top ten percent of men or have nothing....
Haha just “missed a match” with this 25yo woman who’s unemployed, doesn’t drive with 4 kids looking to settle down and find her one true love. Whole thing just sounded like just wanted a cash cow to milk
@@neondystopian This shows how children can be a disadvantage for woman. They risk to be held back by responsibility for the children. For woman its emotionally very difficult to give over the children to the father if they are divorced.
@@ingridlindquist4895 the risk is enormous for women. I get that. I stay convinced that it's mostly a men problem: not reliable enough, persuaded that they will just have to snap their fingers to find a fertile woman if they want children age 45, extremely picky when it comes to long term relationships, not willing to do their part at home. Unpopular opinion: it's really into men's hands.
I was born in NYC in '91 and grew up surrounded by cousins and kids in the parks. Now, as a mother of three, it’s striking how different things are. Most of my female cousins aren’t having kids, and my best friends either can’t afford to or don’t want to in today’s environment-even though they’d make amazing parents. After moving to CA, I rarely see mothers my age, and parks often feel empty. The concept of 'a village' feels obsolete. Motherhood today is incredibly isolating and nearly impossible without financial privilege.
Undervslued reason women are more inclined to folow into the footssteps of friends or slightly over women if theyre not having kids they dont aspire to either coz it looks like ur gonna miss out on what they have
@@searose6192 how old r u and how many children have you had? Because everyone in my generation thinks having children is unattainable due to cost of living.
I'm 48 and have six children and in the UK. I left school at 16 and met my wife at work at 18. First four children before 30 then a couple of didn't try hard enough not too afterwards. How is that possible? We accessed the property market in the mid-late 90s when property was at its cheapest following the 89/90 property crash. To put in perspective, 3 properties were on the market for a total cost which is now one third of the cost of just one of those same houses (we bought the house in the middle). Same should've happened on 07/08 meaning this generation missed getting a homes at a reasonable value. Now this is the difficult one. I live opposite my in-laws (and have done so for 27 years). Free child care. I was amazed speaking to another father who explained their child care costs were like another mortgage. Our holidays have been camping and not going abroad. There is quite a bit of guilt for the children having to share bedrooms. My biggest fear, given if i were my children's age, this would never happen now, is that I will have fewer grandchildren than children. Sadly different parts of society will need to feel pain for this issue to be resolved, there are too many workers depressing wages. A labour shortage will put up wages meaning higher cost of living for mine and older generations, but if a home and a family becomes a genuine hope for young people, they will make babies.
In Asia, where I spent a few decades, multi-generational households are the norm. As I'm sure you'd agree, the benefits go far beyond just free child care. Instead of being "warehoused" in nursing homes, the elderly are cared for by family, allowing much deeper connections to develop across the generations. I agree, eventually this infertility problem will resolve itself. Just as, in the natural environment, populations adjust to the availability of resources. It stands to reason that at some point our population decline will make large families viable again. It's just a question of how far we have to go down that path before we recover, and start increasing our population again.
I’m Norwegian electrician, make 77grand a year, my wife makes also good money. And we can’t afford 2nd child. The bank make minus -120.000,- in our loan capacity per child. So the Norwegian state punishes us if we have children. If we have 3 children, it will be impossible to have a place to live.
@Mike-br8zt A big part of the problem is that a lot of men don't know how to pick a good partner. They overestimate a woman's looks as an indicator of a suitable partner. The men we know who have been married the longest aren't married to models. People generally also tend to pick partners based on their feelings, which change from day to day. Whereas marriage and commitment is a choice and not a feeling. This is missing from a lot of the conversation. There's actually a male therapist out there who tells men to pursue more average looking women and to give attraction time to develop. But how many men do you think are willing to do that?
@@emilyl6746 What are you talking about? Do you really think most men even have the ability to chose between partners? Most have the chance to be with a few woman in their league over their whole lifespan at best. Either they pick them or they end up with noone.
This conversation will NEVER be discussed, because the lawyers the courts and the women get paid, the only loser is the men, and unfortunately noone cares, between feminism and divorce courts, men are terrified of marriage
@@giveitatry951It's always about blaming men and women not taking any responsibility for their own actions and shaming other women or changing ANY of the clearly insane laws around marriage and children.
The data shows it isnt all women having less kids. Its a certain subset of women have no kids. Perhaps those women are toxic. Perhaps those women are just focused on other things. But in many nations, like Japan, its a case of women not having any kids at all. I dont think there is a universal answer as to the why. In each country its different. But the underlying issue is the same. Women being treated the same as men always seems to lead to this end. Irrespective of cultures. It happend in Rome, it happened in Greece. It even happened in Persia. Every place women are made equal to men ALWAYS has a catastrophic effect on birth rates. Always.
Men are also checking out of relationships due to the cost of divorce , men's wages are stagnant and men's education have fallen .. everything needs to be addressed
@@kdeulerIm apalled just how these podcasts dont discuss how society functions only for rich They are becoming like msm Ppl dont realise this podcasts are not alternative to mom They are becoming msm slowly but surely
A major point to discuss more on this issue is status. The ideal nowadays is to be successful in a career endevour and make lots of money. Women play a unique role in family life by being the heavy lifters of childbirth and care, but this is seen as a lesser position to fill it seems, especially if you choose to be a stay at home mom who works on family oriented things full time. Its like you're settling for a lesser life than the career woman who skips out on having kids and goes off to girlboss her way up the economic latter. Its a value thing, we just dont value family as much as we value status and money. And the financial landscape being hellish for young people right now only drives that ideal even harder as its getting more and more difficult to make enough money to live. Having kids is seen as an unnecessary financial burden to an already difficult situation. Im norwegian and my mom was a stay at home mom. She made our childhoods incredible with all the things she did for us, but I remember clearly how she was looked down on by working moms for staying home. Our culture simply doesnt appreciate things that are not exchanged for money. Taking care of your kids? Nah. Paying someone else to care for your kids while you work? Absolutely!
That’s one way of stigmatisation. Our household is me working full time and my wife is part time. A part time ED nurse who is quite fantastic at her job. It doesn’t hurt our son to see us both working. The modern economy and societal needs can easily accommodate all sorts of ways of working while parenting I even hear working from home is a thing now….
I think this is very true, as a hous3wife myself, I got a lot of pushback when I said I wanted to do this and got a lot of comments on how I was basically wasting my potential and also that I was setting myself up to be in a position to be abus3d or that if something happened to my husband I would be S.O.L. lots of fear mongering about him either kicking the bucket or finding someone on the side and my having to put up with it etc...even though I know that's not my husband it gave me so much stress. So young ladies who consider this get a lot of negative feedback.
@MC-ze8wj Exactly, "wasting your potential". For what, slaving for a corporation that can replace you at any moment? No hate to people who love their jobs, but taking care of your family has its own reward that is not measured in money. Good on you for sticking to what is right for you, Im sure you are a blessing to your loved ones.
I’m a fan of SAHM’s and would want to be one, because I used to be a teacher and the children of invested SAHM’s get the best results. Sad that your mum was judged by other women, but great that she experienced the judgment and did it anyway. Likely her efforts produced healthy stable outcomes. ❤
On my end it is I can't find a partner, the ones I was interested in were either taken or not interested and those interested in me didn't meet my standards. Considering going across seas at this point.
This is an amazing example of cognitive dissonance. One the one hand he states that Norway has created one of the very best societies in the world, then goes on to say that this society is heading for extinction. A society that destroys itself is not a good society, even though you may feel good in it.
Indeed. He also repeats over and over how "abolishing women's freedoms would be a bad thing that nobody wants", even though it is clear that said freedoms are the cause of civilizational collapse.
Thank you !!! It’s like saying “ my diet is making me obese & sick, I recognize that, and talk about eating healthy, but will not advocate for actually doing it.”
@@viggotannhauser7251 Well that isn't quite clear. South Korea has far less women's freedoms and half the birth rate. The gap between men and women's expectations might be more crucial. So making men more feminist and women less.
Haha that's so true. What a deranged take. If you're people are heading towards extinction, get off your comfortable sofas and fix the freaking problem!!
I think a core piece of this is that our society has largely reduced the value of a child. TV shows and movies are mostly adults living in apartments with no children. A child is viewed as something that you should have AFTER doing everything else you want to do (travel, have a career, etc). An unexpected pregnancy is looked at as something that will ruin your life. The unsaid thing about all of these aspects of our culture is that a child is not a positive thing. It gets in the way of ME. My hopes, my dreams, my wants, my fun. If I have a kid, I’m not the most important person in my life anymore. We’ve built a narcissistic society that simply doesn’t value children. Thats not an easy thing to fix.
I don't think this is wrong but watch the video as this looks at women not able to have as many children as they would like to have and the spiral this leads to culturally. Like all these one theme podcasts it over-focuses on one aspect of the issue but one not being considered at all so worth discussing.
I agree but it's not only narcissism. Society makes it prohibitive to have and raise kids. People watch the news and see what happens to kids and families and they thank God they don't have any. Pretty sad.
I think you are missing one point - in ancient times kids where your pension. Nowadays your pension depends on taxes you pay to government... But having kids reduces this tax amount so kids are effectively downgrading your life level not just short term but long term as well... From government point of view kids also are pure expenses... Its much cheaper to import workforce from abroad. And thats what they are doing in West.
I have 13 cousins, and I am one of three children myself. My son and daughter only have 2 cousins, and we would be commiting financial suicide if we have another child. This shows the drop in population from our generation to the next. Childcare cost is double our mortgage a month, and that is with one grandparent helping out twice a week. Wages have not increased in real terms with inflation for decades so we are working just as hard or harder for less. Animals will delay reproducing if the environmental conditions are not good enough to support offspring, many animals like deer will re-absord the fetus if only enough resources are available to sustain the mother alone. Humans are no different, if no surplus funds or resources are available, they will put off having children. This is all about big business manipulating the labour markets and wages, also people are now being denied property ownership as the costs are too high??!!! If people have no stability they will never take the risk of being destitute with a baby. The jobs market is also highly unstable, many people have no stable income or even a long term place to live.
This is hilarious. A person in 2024, living in the developed part of the world, comparing themselves to starving deer to demonstrate just how bad the situation is for having children. You have to stop comparing yourself to your parents and grandparents. They were living during the golden age that was an anomaly and will probably not repeat ever again. I don't have anything against anti-natalism, but it irks me to no end that people can't recognize that it is actually our expectations and our lifestyle that are the problem. We have set the bar too high, which will ironically lead to the economy dropping further, and people will only start having more children when the entire system collapses and dictatorship just start coercing people into having children.
@@julius43461 my grandfather was born during the depression, into a family of 7. He worked as did his brothers at a young age to help support the family. See, the economy was horrible, yet children could help produve a surplus. This is quite the opposite post ww2, since children could no longer work at a young age unless under an apprenticeship. Therefore children started to become a burden. The reality is that child labor is a contributing factor that people fail to see. Call it slavery (in some cases very true) but these kids ended up with valuable skills, confidence and maturity, humility, and often times decent pay once their apprenticeship was compleete. Most children started work at 13 for most of human history until the 1930s when that was completely phased out, although the process had been happening slowly across the industrialized nations since the 1890's.
My friend, you should be looking into government policy as the primary cause of the CoL crisis. While I agree big business can manipulate the market to some degree, it only does so by capturing regulators and then using the government to prevent competitors from joining the market. In other words, it is almost always state policies and regulations (e.g., restrictions in new housing development) that create artificially high costs and reduce the spending power of your currency (e.g., inflation is caused directly by the printing of money, and nothing else!). As a fellow sufferer of CoL increases, we must direct our energy towards the correct perpetrators.
@@nk53nxg pretty silly to say humans are like deer and don’t produce offspring when resources are scarce. Deer do that naturally, humans where condoms, use birth control and have abortions. We are nothing like deer.
I had twins, Daycare would be about 1.5x my mortgage. Luckily I work from home, but that means my kids are having to be raised by a dad who is also working and doesn't get everything they need during the day as far as play and teaching.
Fr. I did the math and it would cost me $2,000+ for daycare, car payment and insurance a month if I got a job before I even got out the door. That’s why I’m a sahm lol
That's why they impregnate captive animals via artificial insemination to force them to reproduce. Most of us are merely products, machinery, commodities, and units of capital in the eyes of those who exploit and profit off of us. If our population declines to much, the matrix will break down. If we don't reproduce voluntarily, they will find ways to coerce us (or deceive us).
Oh please don't take me for a moron, the collapse of births happened well before people could not afford a house on one salary, it happened in the 60s and 70s. What coincides with those decades then? Using contraceptives and abortion as a contraceptives, that's why you don't have children, it's not because of money.
I'm a 39 year old, single, childless woman who very much wanted a family of my own. I have a good career, have started a small homestead, I'm no great beauty but take care of my health. Maybe my standards for a partner are too high but I would rather never have children than become a single mom and I just haven't found a partner who wanted a family and who I felt confident that they would stay with me long-term and I wanted to stay with them long-term. Becoming a single mom would ruin the life I have worked insanely hard to build. I don't have the money for childcare on my own nor would I want some random person spending more time with my kids than I could while I work full-time and I have no family nearby who could help support me with raising a child. Maybe I would have taken a bigger risk with men I've dated in the past if I had some family support, I dunno. But I dont think my situation is that uncommon and I think a big part of the issue is the breakdown of multigenerational families where everyone comes together to help raise children. The vast majority of the responsibilities of raising kids has now fallen on mom and dad, it is no longer 'it takes a village to raise a child' and it's insanely difficult for 1 or 2 people to do it alone. Edited to add: i just finished the video and I'm disappointed they didnt have advice for someone like me on new/unconventional ways of finding a partner because I've tried everything and very open to ideas, lol. At this stage of my life i have very low hopes of finding a partner before conceiving would be very difficult so my plan is to keep working hard, retire early, around 52, and then foster and adopt children when I can be financially secure enough to stay home and raise them right. But if a suitable man suddenly fell into my life tomorrow I'd be willing to give it a go so y'all, please tell me where to find him 😂
I think your situation is actually quite common! And we all make choices, but it was very hard as a single man dating when I could tell at least half of the women in front of me on these first dates were not interested in becoming wives and mothers. At least they didn’t seem like they had a sacrificial attitude, that would make marrying them feasible. But I was able to sift through the bad ones and find a great woman, and we are now trying for our fourth child. What I’m getting at is, there are literally dozens of reasons to not get married and not have children today. But it only takes two people to say “we’re going to do it anyway”. My wife and I are both those types of people.
You can’t eat your cake and have it too. You have become the partner you are looking for. You wanted financial and sexual power but it comes at a cost. Anyone with both powers is in effect a tyrant and no one healthy likes a tyrant. I don’t know what to tell you darling. This bed is made.
Dear Heather, if you want a good family man, you need to attract him, he's not randomly "falling into your life". And there's nothing more attractive to a good man than a loving and faithful woman, who's not acting too crazy. ;-) Be a lady. Go out places where your preferred character is likely to frequent and make it OBVIOUS you're available with eye contact and smile. Positive motivation is stronger than demands/complaints. Plus you'll feel better, too. (Your 52 plan sounds sad, tired and aimed at more kids without a father figure. Worse than cats. Please don't do that to yourself.) God speed!
@@Martin_137 What makes you think I haven't tried that for the last 2 decades? I'm not stupid or totally socially inept, what you laid out is the traditional advice for women to attract men. Nothing new or revolutionary. Well, some of us just aren't lucky enough or pretty enough to land a quality man when we are young. And it only gets harder and harder as people get established and settled in their lives. I've dated a lot and have had a few multiple year relationships trying to figure out if we can make it work but we ultimately run up against an incompatibility in what we want in life. At this age I'm much more content to just take care of myself and look forward to kids later in life rather than forcing it with someone who is not someone I think would be a good husband and father. I think that would be a much sadder reality than being a cat lady or adoptive mom.
I keep pointing out to my husband the lack of children we see when we are out in public. We used to see strollers everywhere, not anymore. There are no "portable classrooms" anymore. There are hardly any children in parks anymore. It is very disturbing. I only have 2 grandchildren and it is unlikely I will have anymore. If societies want children, families have to be supported. Until governments and these shortsighted corporations see that no customers means no tax base or no profits, things will continue on in this ridiculous fashion.
Idk. I went to the zoo this last spring and it seemed like every other woman I saw was pregnant. They were mostly older women tho. Over 30 but they also had a brood with them already too
Ban all forms of birth control and abortion and watch the birth rate rise. And yes, government has that power. Haha, just look at Iran's population growth pre and post Islamic revolution.
See: population of Iran 1960 to 2020. Government CAN solve this entire problem, you just don't want to hear what the solution is (taking all freedom away from women).
@@eustacemcgoodboy9702 we're talking about fertility rate though. Iran is at near it's lowest birth rate in history. it was slightly lower in 2008 but it is falling again currently. by your logic removing women rights actually made the birth rate worse in Iran.
The modern fascism of stress, medical abuse, bad nutrition, industrial food, environmental pollution, psychological distraction, no purpose in life, narcissistic dispositions, children avoiding society etc. helps everything but fertility or family life.
Yeah, its an anti-human flourishing system right now. And its 100% a choice. We have the abundance and human capital to solve any problem, it's just that we can't because a system that is more and more becoming a death cult keeps driving humanity in the wrong direction!
Society has so much influence on us. I was told by my granny that I am lazy because i dont want to work.. i have 2 kids - a 3yo and a 10-month-old at home, i was working between them, but now I feel like it is the best for them when i spend some time with them at home. Both my parents and grandparents had a huge family (grandparents) support, which we dont have at all because our parents have their own lives and they still work, the circumstances are just so different, yet i really dont understand why mothers are shamed, i would like to have more kids but i know i would be very criticized for such decision even in my own family..
Have more kids! Don't let your family shame you - that's horrible!! It's a decision for you and your husband. I know I'm never going to look back and wish I'd done more 'work' and had less kids. Yes, it involves a lot of sacrifice, but also a lot of joy and love. I'm about to have my 4th and the reaction from one of my grandfather's was... "Oh..." like he was disappointed I wasn't going back to work!? It was bizarre! I have no regrets. Third child was best decision ever. Looking forward to adding the next soon :)
Tbh, they had support because they earned it. Nowadays, women bully to the ones who are supposed to help them take care of their kids (other women) then wonder why they don’t have support. How many times in middle school were you a “mean girl” to a potential ally? I personally love kids and is happy to help moms, yet no good deed goes unpunished so I sit out watching the moms struggle instead. I’ve had moms I’ve given money too to & help with their kids not talk to me over $40 (after I’ve given them the equivalent of thousands- covered schooling costs, childcare, picked up their kids from school etc). This generation of XX’s want to take while being narcissistic and so the “village” decided to let them handle it on their own.
Low birthrate doesnt result in "empty cities"...it results in your environmental niche being claimed by high birthrate migrants... This is not the first time that humans have had a hard time replacing the next generation.....but a Darwinian process selects for the people that can make it happen. Religion, culture, and Tradition are essentially a fertility ritual, and the people with the most successful fertility ritual own the future. Its already happening in Europe
Yes, that’s why the situation in South Korea, Japan, Poland etc. is less concerning since natural selection will sort everything out in a century. It’s nations like the UK, Germany, Sweden that will just become copies of third world countries.
Unless it creates a huge war that kills all of us, like Carl Sagan used to warn us about. I bet that is kinda likely, but let's not think about that, right?
electricpaper269 This isn’t natural selection. It’s zeksual selection. The best minds are not having families because they aren’t being selected by vvomen.
"Already happening in Europe" Correct... and in the USA, the Same Thing is happening to European Genetics, whereas other groups are strong, proud, and fertile. Western Culture has put all choices regarding sexual relations, and procreation in the hands of females. European women, regardless of where they are in the world, DO NOT Want European babies. There are various reasons/excuses given as to why children are too difficult.... But who really believes life is harder today then it was 100 years ago or 1000 years ago.
Women's standards typically lower by themselves as they age because reality always catches up, the best women are always out of the dating market early, but the leftovers are either spoiled (Alpha widows) or ripe (lower their unrealistic standards).
Most people can't survive on 1 income. Look prices of rent, healthcare and food. Most of it boils down to 2 people being financially forced to work long hours to just afford rent and food. Physical exhausted does not encourage good sexual and relationships. Exhaustion is real. Sleep is the new sex!
This is the issue right here, look up the UNs definition of genocide thats whats actually going on in open borders western worldnative births are traded for mass imigration @@marianhunt8899
There's no fertlity crisis. There's a hopeless economic crisis as seen in all the other indicators also getting worse like depression, salary, and housing & rent prices. Even married ppl are not having children bc it's very expensive today and there's no hope for the future, plus both ppl have to work and childcare costs as much as rent. Maybe the Scandinavian doesn't understand this, which is he is hyper-focused on "mating practices".
My parents are some of the youngest baby boomers. They spend $200 PER MONTH on satellite tv. Plus subscriptions for prime, netflix, etc. I have no idea how much money they spend on booze, going out to eat, etc, but by the amount the do it, it must be several hundred a month. They blow EVERY MONTH what my mortgage is. Parents used to build wealth for their children to inherit and continue building. I worked as an electricians help for several years. EVERY SINGLE HOUSE we went to that had an older woman in it wad FILLED with useless decorations. Parents stopped caring about building their children.
You need to plan for your own retirement. Don’t rely on your parents; and if they leave you anything be grateful. Basically no one is going to save you; save yourself
I'm one of those single women, and I can tell you, my parents left me NOTHING--but they did provide money for college. I worked my ass off and didn't have enough income for a family, or vacations--or to buy a house til I was 60. Anyone who thinks they're entitled to inherit ANYTHING material IS the problem. Get out there and do it yourself.
1 million per women!! Only way i can understand it is politicans wanted to put women into the workforce. Higher supply of workers to drive down wages. Maybe boost GDP after the war years? But it costs men 1 million per woman in Denmark!!
@@Victoria-Enzula If a woman is married to a man and she stays home usually he would go out and work to pay for both of them. It's a voluntary exchange of services consented to by both parties, the government doesn't need to be involved. Or do you mean single women need to be compensated by the government just for taking care of themselves and their own home like a responsible adult?
We should also be talking about the overuse of endocrine disrupters in most products. It has a negative effect on fertility and we should do more to stop the use of these unecessary chemicals in products
look up how birth control works. It literally fills your body with progesterone to trick it into thinking it's already released an egg and it's been fertilized. This suppresses your desire for sex as agajn your body thinks that's already happened. There's NUMEROUS studies that show women find different things attractive on and off BC, and that they prefer more effeminate men when on BC (because they aren't a "threat" to the baby) and more masculine men when off BC. This doesn't only effect women either. Testosterone is a reactive hormone, so the male body produces more or less determined by environmental factors. And because almost every woman between the age of 13 and 45 now days is taking BC 24/7/365 we've actually noticed measurable amounts of progesterone in the water supply from women urinating out the massive excess. This gets in the men and causes them to produce less testosterone. Leading to the "why aren't men like they used to be" "wheres the real men" effect. The lack of testosterone makes men more obese, more irritable and agitated. Hormonal birth control is poisoning men and women
What percentage of the population collapse is due to people having the funds and support system to have children but can’t due to infertility? I understand your stance and agree that man-made foods and products are harmful but this variable by itself only impacts a small minority of people, people who usually wait far too long to try and have children.
@hennyindacup yea I'd say that choice is the primary driver behind this rather than infertility. We have data from every country on earth that shows that as the country becomes richer and more "equal" the birthrate always plummets.
@@hennyindacup I don’t know the statistics on that but it’s a no brainer that we shouldn’t have products that ruin people fertility and make them sick. Of course fertility issues is only one part of the equation but if a lot of people struggle to find a partner before they reach their 30’s then it’s a pretty bad idea to have so many products that decrease fertility when it’s already a Challenge because of age
@@Patson20 even so, fertility is still an important issue that we should ALSO make changes to improve. It’s not a competition, rather we want to make changes that improve all aspects. It’s truly sad that a significant amount of couples who actually want to have babies are struggling to get pregnant
Nah dont do anything. It will eventually stabilize. The amount of people we have now is the anomaly. Imagine thinking unlimited growth was actually a sustainable model.
I'm really curious what is going to happen when the median age is 50+ and they will try to tax the fighting age population to death. I guess I will see it in due time.
It always intrigues me how every video that I’ve ever watched on this topic always involves the discussion of “making men better”. There is never ever a discussion of “making women better”. Even when women are performing badly compared to their traditional archetype, we still turn right around and talk again about “making men better”. I truly find this astounding, like to the point that it truly shocks me…
Another, very obvious, reason for men to quit the dating scene. For someone who claims to have done research into fertility the man in this video seems to be spectacularly good at not understanding it.
His point was that people need to meet where they are. Women can't expect men as a demographic to improve. So it wouldn't make sense to also think women as a demographic needs to improve.
Stefan molyneux covered all this stuff like 7 yrs ago. You should track that guy down. Had over a million subs on UA-cam and got totally banned out of no where.
Well, there are a lot of couples who are deciding to not have kids too. The cost of having children is quite high now. Blame the economy instead of men or women specifically.
Having a family is no longer a major goal for many cultures, and instead people have been focusing on career and being “independent.” We need to change culture to value familes again.
I feel like it's fear of going back to less free and nore oppressive times that are causing people to make up the idea that anyone will be "forced" into having families. I think the plan more likely to happen is that people will be "encouraged" to have build more families. The ability to create a family is a powerful and essential to the survival of the human species and with great power comes great responsibility.
@@ss-ds2dn I mean, I meant what I said in regards to those two words actually having different meanings. Forcing would be akin to something like creating a law that says if people don't have at least one child by the time they turn 30, they'll be subjected to work in a slave labor camp, while encouraging would be something like offering child tax credits to incentivise people to have children, which was mentioned in the video. But by saying heavy lifting, would I be correct in assuming you're worried that those words could be misconstrued as being vague enough that institutions in charge would see the definition of both terms as essentially being one in the same, and that they would choose to push for the forceful option while advertising it as simply encouragement? If not, what do you mean by heavy lifting?
This guy is so calm with people attack him personally and professionally. He has an amazing attitude of indifference and thinks it’s at least good people are talking about it.
1:18, "In Norway women would like to have 2.4 children". Not sure how this survey was conducted, but don't get your hopes up. Normally the way this is asked, people will essentially respond with "In ideal circumstances, I would like to have 2 or 3 children". The thing is, those ideal circumstances will never come for most people. So the fact that they only want 2.4 is one of the best indicators that this can't be fixed with some light incentives.
Even if they did implement extreme measures, I'm not sure it would work. Augustus Caesar tried that and the nobles just worked around the laws. They didn't actually have children, they adopted. Personally, there is nothing you could offer me, even if divorce was impossible and a woman 100% submitted, that I would take most of these women, even if they looked like 10s. I do wonder how many men share the same disgust factor as I do but if it's even 20% it still would be devastating for society.
Exactly. And I'm not sure they examined the reasons why women didn't have the desired amount. They seemed to assume it was external circumstances but maybe they just realised they didn't enjoy it...
@@AngelDeedyou'd be surprised how mundane the reasons are. A lot of women I know stop at 2 or 3 children because it's hard to find a big enough car to fit all the children in, or it makes traveling hard. The biggest barrier to me having a large family is the fact that my family lives 17000km away and it'll be financially impossible to ever visit them. Another reason is that people have children later and it gets more tiring the older you get. Simple as that really
"They only want 2.4" bro do you know how fast brats get traumatised if they decide you haven't given them enought attention and emotilnal availability 💀 3 is already pushing it time-wise.
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I think the main question should be not if women meet partners they desire, but if men are willing to become single parents if relationships don’t work our so that their exes could go on having kids. Because if it’s gatekeeper sex that is supposed to sacrifice careers and become primary caretakers and maids in the household, the other way around could boost the fertility for sure
Until the cost of living decreases and people can actually afford houses not many will be thinking about procreating when most are concerned about just surviving
You can't increase socialism and concurrently lower the cost of living. They are mutually exclusive. The only way this works is if we lower the standard of living.
I always wanted kids. I had 3 siblings and wanted at least 3 kids of my own, but we could only manage one. Put $250k in my bank account and I'd have another one right now. Governments could stem the bleeding if they paid women who are already moms to have additional children. SK has proven that money isn't enough of an incentive to go from no kids to kids but it absolutely would work for people who are already parents by choice. My parents had 4 kids in 8 years and had ample help from their parents and siblings. I have lived 2 hours away from my parents for 7 years and they have only bothered to visit once each. The message is received, we're on our own, but it is extremely unnatural and difficult to raise kids in siloed nuclear families.
"Put $250k in my bank account and I'd have another one right now" - doesn't work that way. Have the baby....the money will follow. Trust me on this. I have 11 children (all with one wife, don't worry). Every time we got pregnant, I got a raise, a promotion....money almost fell from the sky. But you have to step out in faith FIRST...then the good things come.
Hot take, if men were to "become better" studying really hard and making a lot of money, people would then start screeching about the income and education gap. It's also a bit hypocritical that women can make demands about how good of a workhorse a man has to be, rather than the content of his character, but if a man wants a woman to look a certain way instead of considering her personality, that is considered shallow
In the last little while, the subject of children came up in 2 different conversations. The first was a man in his 30's who asked me, after I proudly said that I had 2 children: "Were you not concerned about having children in such a broken world?" I paused and asked myself if he was accusing me of being irresponsible. Well, I was in love, which leads to wanting to give life and I believe in the future. What a sad way to look at life he has. The second, a woman in her 30's as well, asked me basically the same question. I think young people have lost faith and hope in the future. Every generation obviously has its challenges.
In my view, the real reasons we arent having kids: 1. Young people have a lot more entertainment and interests than older generations. When I look at people with kids who I know, they have maximum 1 actual hobby, sometimes zero. Most people without kids spend lots of their spare time on multiple hobbies, and do not want to lose that time. Raising kids may be meaningful to some, but its not fun, and its hard work. Many would rather relax and engage with their hobbies instead. 2. The growing divide in values and politics between men and women. Nobody wants to date someone with opposing values, and the more the divide grows, the less people will get together. Less dating means less relationships. Less relationships means less kids. 3. Financially, its not just that people cannot afford to have kids, but they cant afford to have kids without making significant sacrifices to our own comfort. However, it is also true that some people cannot afford to move out of their parents house or out of renting a house share. Nobody wants to raise kids if they cant raise them in their own home.
@@ickster23 There is definitely a strong element of that in points 1 and 3. I think this is a natural development of a world of abundance. Essentially, we are living in mouse utopia.
Taxes, rent, energy and food are about 85% of my income and the percentage has increased over the last 10 years, why would I ever have children. The signals from society that I am not good enough to make it could not be louder
@@danielpye7738 Last 10 years my fixed costs went from about 60% to 85% now, if the next decade is the same it will be above 100%. I am not going to add another being into this
@@danielpye7738 False, my great grand parents, grand parents and parents had a better life. They didn't work the long hours I works nor were their bills and rent as high.
I 100% agree. It's women's immediate choices but it's men's indirect choices that determine what choice is actually available to women. And I always disagree when people say women don't want to have children, many do but they are involuntarily childless simply because they will not settle to be single mums or feel like they carry the burden by themselves.
@Mr_MikeB Nice guys? Who are concerned about how beautiful they look? Right. They want grown, responsible men who know what their priorities are and do not shy away from the commitment and responsibilities of raising a family.
@@fimanu Well, - when speaking about looks I was meaning girls... But you [icked up good point as well - girls also care about looks of the guys... so good looking guy will be chased a lot...
@@Mr_MikeB thing is, boys are not men and girls are not women. I'm not talking about girls who, just like boys, are navigating sex, life, love and all that. Young people need to make mistakes and have fun and be kind of irresponsible to experience the world. Girls are not thinking about kids, their just as superficial as boys are. We are not talking about girls and boys here, we are talking about men and women who have lived and want to have kids, a family, a community. If you are around 30 and you have a career you cannot have kids unless you have a partner that is willing to share the burden with you. So, many give up and just focus on work instead.
Do you realize how much they delete comments on your page - which directly affects your videos in the algorithm? I bet you're already minus 100 for the 8 that they let show.
They've been on a mass deletion trend lately. I get shadowbanned, replies hidden and comments deleted regularly despite being civil and polite. I called it out this afternoon on another video by editing the comment and all of a sudden, people started seeing it, left likes and commented.
16:39 the reason academics are nervous to sound the alarm on things like the fertility collapse is due to the inherent bias of who becomes an academic. Male academics give up a lot to become academics. It’s very hard to provide for a family and give your wife and children stability if you have to move around constantly for the next academic gig. Female academics give up even more in that they also deal with the constant moving around, and also take the brunt of pressure from their families. Also, a very high percentage of female academics are themselves childfree. So if you were to survey 100 female academics at random who have at least five children, a significantly higher proportion of them would be interested in sounding the alarm about the fertility collapse. But if you survey 100 female academics at random who do not have any children, they have an inherent bias to make this seem like it’s not a big deal. And there are many more female academics without children than there are with 5+ children. So their attitude predominates. You could call it “self justification“, or whatever you would like. But academics are still human beings, and that is what it is.
This is an excellent point. I was actually told by my female PhD advisor (herself childless) to not get married and have kids while in my doctoral program. Seeing her gray haired wedding photo was enough to make me reconsider her advice. I did so anyway, and then didn't pursue academics after graduation. It's a self selecting pool of women who do the girl boss acacademics. Very rarely do they also have time for families. The ones that do, I've noticed, have stay at home dads doing the heavy lifting. It's not ideal. But I've also never met a young academic who has good health, mental or physical. They're all depressed or stressed in some way, as a rule.
Academics also function a lot like "a closed garden" where they refuse to listen to anything produced outside of it. It's not a discussion, it's a dialectic, and unless you're an accredited researcher in a specific field you are not allowed to read their studies beyond the abstract to review or criticise them. If science is to be trustworthy it needs to be open and free, as long as we have the current system new ideas are gatekept out and wrong ideas can thrive for decades without ever being challenged.
@@-haclong2366 not only can the wrong ideas thrive for decades, eventually they start working heir way into the culture with an air of legitimacy because they’re considered scholarly.
@@-haclong2366 So interesting to see your last point because it reminded me of a quote that stuck out to me from an old movie I happened to watch last night- “A free science in the service of humanity can be the only good science.” That central part is key- in the service of humanity- it doesn’t work so well when it’s in the service of self, wealth, or power.
@@AudrinaOralay I would agree that I have not met a young academic who seemed relaxed, or generally happy. Would you say it’s because stressed and anxious people go into academics? Or there’s something about the academic work itself that makes people stressed? I would lean toward the former, personally. I was watching another video recently, and they said graduate school is for people who fear failure. There certainly might be something to that. There are not very many entrepreneurial-minded academics. Generally, they are very “by the book”. Most of them had very good grades through high school, and pretty good grades in college. But in general, they are not the types of people to take risks.
I remember my father saying to my sister and I whilst growing up 'Never be left holding the baby because the man can always walk away.' I took that warning seriously. Today women are not having children because that risk is more real than ever. We live in a world where individual gain is all that matters, and children are seen as economic burdens. In many, or I would even say most cases that burden lands squarely on the shoulders of women. Nothing will change unless society considers the big picture. Who are we and what are we doing here because presently we are just economic units, working to maximise the profits of someone else. Women with children in our present economic system have a tough life and no-one seems prepared to recognise that. My daughters have three jobs, namely traditional employment, raising a family and also the lion share of housework. I am surprised they opted to have children at all. Enough of the Exploitation. The social contract is long broken. Solution, forget about continual growth, treasure everything we have, examine our values and change our economic system away from one where only the greediest survive.
Are you joking? They chase men down to the ends of the earth to force child support out of them, which is completely unaccountable to how the woman spends it. Children nowadays cam ne massive cash cows for women. They'll literally put a man in prison when he actually CAN'T pay, which is something we don't do for any other kind of debt or obligation. And that only makes it then harder for him to pay What are you on about?
This guy can’t say “patriarchy” without adding on “oppressive” and then throws in Dark Ages as if all these terms belong together. Patriarchies aren’t automatically oppressive. And what does he consider the dark ages? I was raised in a large family with a traditional stay at home mother and a hard working father. We had a good healthy dinner together every evening. Clean clothes and a spotless house.y parents had 5 children. My mother was an outstanding homemaker and because she was so good at keeping order in the house, our weekends were entirely free to go out as a family, explore the world, go on road trips etc. If she hadn’t kept everything together, we’d have spent our weekends doing working around the house. My father was technically head of the family but my mother’s word was final. My father NEVER treated her as inferior in any way and she was no doormat. They were equal partners with different roles and I’d take that arrangement over what’s typical in families today. The PATRIARCHY built this world. Literally. So don’t knock it. I’d take it over a matriarchy any day.
My mom did the same thing and was left jobless and almost homeless when my dad divorced her for a lady he met at work. Child support was based on his primary salary not his infrequent consulting work so it was very low and didn't even cover the bills. My dad is a good person and went against his lawyer's advice to pay off our home so that his children's mother wouldn't be homeless. Despite that, I chose to became a stay at home mom myself. I am completely at the mercy of my breadwinner spouse choosing not to dump me on the street one day. Becoming completely financially dependent on someone who is free to leave at any time for any reason just isn't a risk worth taking anymore.
I know right. It's amazing how entrenched this notion of the patriarchy being oppressive is. Women in those days had much better lives than women today if people actually read books from those eras. Now, most women are stressed, burned out, unhappy, and often single and in a vicious struggle trying to get a long term relationship with an ever shrinking percentage of "eligible" men.
@Bar12425 No women didn't have it better back then. They were beholden to their husbands and he could do whatever he wanted,like beat, cheat,etc. and she would have no recourse. My grandmother was given an allowance by her husband. Do you know how humiliating that is for a grown ass adult to be given an allowance? There's no way that men would put up with being treated the way that they've treated women for centuries.
Romanticizing absolute dependence on a person who simply chose not to abuse his power isn‘t really convincing. Let the dad find more interest in his young secretary or deciding he prefers to spend mit if his money on a new hobby - the romance stops immediately.
We need each other. Everyone is getting more miserable these days "not needing each other"... population collapse, depression, health decline ... the family unit being broken has allowed this to fester.
how are "involuntarily single women" misogynistic? LOL It's Sour grapes, because they've long thrown around "Incel" as an insult to men who can't find a woman, and that has now bounced back on them (and the closeness of the comparison makes them uncomfortable).
I watched a documentary on actual incels who identify as that I didn't know it was an actual thing. But it was those guys who had the weirdest most toxic view towards women blaming them for everything. I don't think someone who is just lonely deserves to be called an incel. But real incels are dangerously weird is what I took from that documentary
It's also different because they aren't "involuntary". These women have nearly limitless options for willing mates, they just view themselves as too good for them. The dating crisis is entirely driven by bad economics holding men back, and women having unreasonable standards for mates, and this has been objectively proven on many occasions. Women view the average man as being obscenely unattractive while men view the average woman as average.
@@JoweI-d4vMaybe, those "toxic" incels became so toxic only due to a long history of being rejected by women, no matter how they behaved - rejected because of something they haven't chosen to be and can't change about themselves, such as their physical looks. This can be a very dehumanising experience for these man, because after some time they start reading these repeated rejections as the following message: "you're not a human being, you're not even eligible for mating within human species". Their bitterness is then made even worse by the awareness that the traits because of which they are rejected by women have got noting to do with their real quality as potential mates, because the whole business of dating and mating is (from nature's point of view) about becoming fathers and mothers, and there's no reason whatsoever why a short balding guy should be less qualified to be a good father than a "tall, dark and handsome" guy.
Half way through, but I'm grateful someone is willing to mention the concept of involuntarily single women! I wanted a big family. I'm 31 now, life's different, I'd be happy with one child. I appreciate the discussion so far, and the reinforcement that individuals should be able to make their own choices, and that women not HAVING to rely on partnership to survive is a good development for society.
What kind of society do we have to move towards to get people to want to have kids? That is the big question. Our society is not play oriented, it’s way too serious, Work oriented, depressing, lacking in fun. There’s no time for play, creativity, and having fun. You have to work in order to support a lifestyle. Unless you have a stay at home parent, kids demand a lot of time. People without a comfortable financial status are too stressed to take on kids on top of everything else.
As long as native populations are not replaced with migration, this problem fixes itself. Natural selection increases the frequency of traits (cultural and genetic) that makes both men and women want and make children in the current environment. It also makes it easier as goods such as housing become more abundant and thus cheaper as the population decreases.
UK here - if you and your missus can barely make the rent, then you're unlikely to procreate. That is what is happening around our way - the rental market is ridiculously overpriced and undersupplied. Also, poverty is a massive indicator of poor health, mental health and educational outcomes - this isn't news, so why would you bring children into that? We live in an era of 'maximise this', 'optimise that' and everyone is trying to squeeze the pips out of everyone else to make bank. In this situation is it any wonder that people aren't breeding? The west needs to rediscover the concept of 'enough', both consumers and businesses. You reap what you sow.
Two things come to mind for me: I think in the past, in many traditional societies, the expectation was, that the man would be physically attracted to his wife, and not the other way around. The idea was that women would do their "wife duties", and hope she married a kind man who loved her and treated her with respect, and maybe, eventually she would grow to find him attractive over time. I feel we don't talk about this directly enough, but rather dance around it saying, "women had little choice in the past as they had to be dependant on a man for social and sometimes physical safety." Also, the expectation was that they would reproduce legitimate children to keep the family lineage going, but men of means could, and probably would produce illegitimate children as well. So, the "good ole days" of procreation were not as "rosey" as we romanticize. And secondly, it is true that the smaller the pool of people to choose from, less picky a person is about beauty standards for mate selection. So, the advent of the internet and seeing the most beautiful people as an "option" has definitely adjusted everyone's ability to see common features as beautiful.
I got married at 24, and had three kids by the time I was 36- they are without a doubt the best thing that has ever happened in my life. They are closing schools in my city because of the shrinking student population, and the move towards charter and home schooling. As far as I can tell people are self selecting out of the gene pool and the only people having kids are more conservative and religious.... demographics are destiny.
Yup, all nations need to have that religious conservative core to survive. Without that, you can never get higher birth rates as people will never want to have more children.
I'd disagree with the notion of "self-selecting". For a lot of people, men and women alike, the reality is that by the time they get their priorities right, it's already over. Not sure how it works for women, but for men the ability to commit decreases with each disappointment. You can only put all of your heart into a relationship so many times before you get cynical and start holding back just for the sake of self-preservation. You can only do the right thing if you are raised into knowing what that is.
My youngest son has to go to a merged class because the school had to merge classes due to other schools closing. The few schools that stay open have larger classrooms.
Basic economics, increase supply and the price decreases. The labour market supply has virtually doubled so the prices have relatively decreased. Now it takes two incomes to buy a house, pay the rent, have a family. Men and women likely see it as hard to have a family when both parents have to work.
Some reasons to not have children: Full time parents( especially the mother) are ranked low status. Children are a lifetime debt obligation, one that no government can afford to adequately compensate. Government policies change, the child remains. Raising children is stressful and hard work. Careers suffer, self fulfillment is put on the shelf. Divorce is frequent, suddenly you are a single with children. Society needs children but society cannot raise them. Either a hugely improved attitude must come from society, one involving proper security (financial and emotional) and respect. This is probably a hopeless ask. If desperate society is likely to resort to its old tactics, force and brainwashing. Women know this well. Mads appears to be desperate, thus the cancelling and fear.
I dont think that Mr. Larsen quite understands how change happens. You can not do deep research and see a catastrophic issue, then agree 100% that nothing needs to change "on an individual level." Thats not how you get anything done. Mans is pointing at a hole but then dancing around it by saying the hole is just fine. Though he states " well if we do nothing we will simply die out." then in the next breath " dont do anything about it." You want to talk about the elephant in the room? feminism is bad for birth rate. *slow claps* Thats already been rather well documented. Nobody is really guessing about it unless you are a feminist. Thats only because you want to find a way to blame a man for it. Then in the next breath state that men have no choice over what you do with your body, yet birth rate is a man problem, yet you control the gateway to sex. Oh wait thats the same Useless circular logic.
Dude I was so frustrated listening to this guy tiptoe around the real issues. Like just admit some liberal ideas are bad and should be removed from the conversation.
Two things: A. Women are not interested in men. B. Even less interested in having children. I know not why all the dancing around the subject. It's blatantly obvious to me.
@flemutter7211 I would not go even that far. What we are experiencing is not a case of women hating men. Simply put, they Do Not Care. Three little words, that's it, mystery solved.
If a man doesn’t trust/love me enough to marry me I’m not giving him children. Very simple equation for me personally. I spent many years caring for men to no avail, now I mainly feel indifferent towards them and find I am much happier being single. I never craved motherhood at all so born in another time I might well have been a nun.
We must talk about (and mock) involuntarily single men, a.k.a. "Incels" but it is social crime to discuss involuntarily single womyn?! Where's the honesty of science? What became of equality?
Well nowadays science says men can get pregnant. Hell Neil degrasse Tyson couldn't even agree with bill maher the other day that a men's NBA team only beats wbna because of societal standards, not because men are bigger, faster, stronger.This gynocentric societal view of be nice instead of say the truth is causing society to crumble.
as a gamer and a programmer having kids is an easy decision. Programming allows me to work from home, the pay is good, no stay at home wife or wasting money on daycares. And i can share all my favorite childhood games and play together.
It definitely works. Look at the comments from all these ‘based’ people. They still blame abstractions like ‘money’ instead of just admitting that vvomen don’t want kids or husbands.
Most households were much poorer and living standards were worse 100 years ago, yet we have people blaming todays economy even though we have government assistance and women have earning potential as well which was not the case 100 years ago. Its clear to me that the sexual liberation of women, the decline in religion and communities as well as hookup culture which makes women unable to pair bond has caused this problem.
@@BoothsGalore7 Bingo. Sometimes I am afraid that I will be alone in the comment sections explaining this incredibly simple thing that people just refuse to understand. The truth is that our modern society was never sustainable
Something I've found is that those women who want long term relationships are in them and the single women today do not want relationships, regardless of circumstance or background - unless he his top tier in looks, status and money. They want lifestyle sponsors for attention, validation, experiences and money. This leaves a lot of men out of the dating market and is likely one of the causes of both the loneliness epidemic and declining birth rates (lets see if UA-cam shadowbans or deletes this comment).
Yep, but ancient men already *KNEW* this: _Unwin also stated "In the past, too, the greatest energy has been displayed only by those societies which have reduced their sexual opportunity to a minimum by the adoption of absolute monogamy (para. 168). _*_In every case the women and children were reduced to the level of legal nonentities, sometimes also to the level of chattels, always to the level of mere appendages of the male estate._*_ Eventually they were freed from their disadvantages, but at the same time the sexual opportunity of the society was extended. Sexual desires could then be satisfied in a direct or perverted manner... _*_So the energy of the society decreased, and then disappeared."_*_ He points out that "No society has yet to succeeded in regulating the relations between the sexes in such a Way as to enable sexual opportunity to remain at a minimum for an extended period." - _*_and thus all societies have collapsed._* - J. D. Unwin, _Sex and Culture_ circa 1930s 💊 _"If each of us, citizens, had determined to assert his rights and dignity as a husband with respect to his own spouse, we should have less trouble with the sex as a whole; as it is, our liberty, destroyed at home by female violence, even here in the Forum is crushed and trodden underfoot, and because we have not kept them individually under control, we dread them collectively. But from no class is there not the greatest danger if you permit them meetings and gatherings and secret consultations."_ _"Our ancestors permitted no woman to conduct even personal business without a guardian to intervene in her behalf; they wished them to be under the control of fathers, brothers, husbands; we (Heaven help us!) allow them now even to interfere in public affairs, yes, and to visit the Forum and our informal and formal sessions. What else are they doing now on the streets and at the corners except urging the bill of the tribunes and voting for the repeal of the law?"_ _"Give loose rein to their uncontrollable nature and to this untamed creature and expect that they will themselves set no bounds to their license. Unless you act, this is the least of the things enjoined upon women by custom or law and to which they submit with a feeling of injustice. It is complete liberty or rather, if we wish to speak the truth, complete license that they desire."_ _"If they win in this, what will they not attempt? Review all the laws with which your forefathers restrained their license and made them subject to their husbands; even with all these bonds you can scarcely control them. What of this? If you suffer them to seize these bonds one by one and wrench themselves free and finally to be placed on a parity with their husbands, do you think you will be able to endure them? The moment they begin to be your equals, they will be your superiors."_ _"Now they publicly address other women’s husbands, and, what is more serious, they beg for a law and votes, and from various men they get what they ask. In matters affecting yourself, your property, your children, you, Sir, can be importuned; once the law has ceased to set a limit to your wife’s expenditures you will never set it yourself. Do not think, citizens, that the situation which existed before the law was passed will ever return."_ - *Cato the Elder* , over *2,000* years ago 💊
I think much of the dating crisis comes down to this: The sexes objectify each other as commodities. Dating sites, porn, & the birth control pill all contribute. And a moral & even spiritual renewal is actually needed to change the "use and abuse" dynamic, and develop the virtues needed to attract a long-term mate.
As a woman in her 40's, let me make this quite clear: Most of us are not going to pop out 2 or 3 babies at this age, especially if we haven't already started creating our own football team. Modern fertility treatments can do a lot, but it's not magic, and it won't make it easier to deal with the demands of an infant once it is born.
I was listening to this on my morning run and had to come back to comment. I was talking to my wife and told her how the Norwegian government expects birth rates to pick up by 40 year old women and she said exactly what I was thinking. "No it's not!" 40 year old women aren't going to give up their freedom to start having kids. People get set in their ways. What's funny to me is that if society collapses it's going to go back to the way it was in the early agricultural era. I don't see how female autonomy will exist in a post modern society world. Modern jobs exists due to our large populations. Personally I'd start changing the laws today. I'd remove all tax based elder care programs for individuals who do not have at least 2 children. The reason being it's the children who pay those taxes. I'd funnel as much of the federal budgets as I could into incentivizing low cost starter homes, free child health care, and pre-k. I'd probably end schooling at the 9th grade again, and make high school a bigger blend of trade programs and loose academic learning. You could still have academic focused high schools, but it would be for college bound kids to get useful degrees. Lastly I'd try to encourage the rebuilding of 3rd places with an emphasis on 18 to 25 year olds to couple.
I'll come out and say what he hints at but doesn't quite say. Throughout human history, women never actually wanted or liked most men (yes I know there were always gigachads), they just needed the resources men provided. When countries give women the right to decide whether or not to have children, they generally choose not to. There's nothing wrong with that, it's their choice and we can't make them like us. Men and society just have to accept that reality. Creating new ways for women to meet average men isn't going to make them attracted to those men.
That's such a grim assessment but I'm not sure it's wrong. I think modern culture has really exacerbated this, and Christian culture mitigated this. Also, I don't want a young trophy wife, I want an intelligent companion who treats me like a human being and has family aspirations. Materialism and nihilism are the fault here. And it suggests you have to culturally cultivate love and family.
The state and *Chads* _Unwin also stated "In the past, too, the greatest energy has been displayed only by those societies which have reduced their sexual opportunity to a minimum by the adoption of absolute monogamy (para. 168). _*_In every case the women and children were reduced to the level of legal nonentities, sometimes also to the level of chattels, always to the level of mere appendages of the male estate._*_ Eventually they were freed from their disadvantages, but at the same time the sexual opportunity of the society was extended. Sexual desires could then be satisfied in a direct or perverted manner... _*_So the energy of the society decreased, and then disappeared."_*_ He points out that "No society has yet to succeeded in regulating the relations between the sexes in such a Way as to enable sexual opportunity to remain at a minimum for an extended period." - _*_and thus all societies have collapsed._* - J. D. Unwin, _Sex and Culture_ circa 1930s 💊
I used a strategy to get married. I dated multiple men at once, was upfront of dating multiple people, refused to have sex before marriage, was upfront about wanting marriage. Lots of guys wanted one night stands. Once they found out I wasn't doing one night stands, they generally refused to call me back. I used this method to avoid the stepping stone girl trap- where a girl dates a guy for 10 years before finding out he was leading her on. Despite using this logical and mathematically sound strategy- I still didn't get married until I was in my 30s. A large portion of guys asking me out- were not interested in marriage. There is a huge pool of guys out there that just want one night stands. It is really hard to go through that haystack to find a guy who wants more. Lots of guys will lie if they think it will get you into bed with them. I don't think the issue is just that women are picky. A very large percentage of men out there just want sex and are willing to lie and manipulate to get it. This makes it very hard to find the good men out there. I also think that most men are chasing the top 1/3 of all women and have little interest in 2/3s of women. We live in a really demanding environment, which pushes up the standards for both men and women. However, due to health issues, politics, and economic issues, quality has decreased and we are all being dragged down. Double whammy. Its a hard world out there peeps.
For a lot of us ladies no s3x is doing fine. Most women repot rarely even climaxing in bed with a man but we can on out own with self stim or toys. Why risk disease and pregnancy for no reward?
@@MrDezossaExactly once courting and marriage were off the table or delayed until like age 40...women are sharing the best of the men whether they understand this or not. I'm celibate...like 99% celibate. I sit back and watch the show as meaningless sex is not appealing to me. I've actually avoided the extra good looking men because I know he's for the streets he can't help himself to be that darn attractive 6'1 in shape, handsome...no thank you😂
It is gonna get worse. Im 34 and most of my friends, myself included, definately won't be having children. The rest have an average of 2 kids (both have with multiple women which means visitation and custody battles) which they can barely afford. My family name and my mothers family name will probably completely gone within my life time. I dont have many male cousins, seeing as how we lost one to drug OD/ suicide. My grandpa came from a family of 7, my father came from a family of 6, myself from a family of 4 and then "Kerplunk!" 0 for me so yah. Not lookin good. I cant afford kids or the 2-3 divorces required to get a keeper these days.
Isn't it worth risking a divorce or out of wedlock birth to keep your family line going? I come from a completely different setting than you, so I'm trying to understand the rationale behind this resignation.
@@tarquin161234 Start working remotely, or just chat with someone till you can take a 2-3 week vacation. I know, not ideal, but I'm just throwing some suggestions out there.
Just think of all those many thousands or hundreds of thousands of ancestors we have that had children that led to us and so many of those lines end right now or with the next generation.
We've devalued our offspring in order to have more freedom for adults. Abortion, BC, sexual hedonism. We've lost meaning, which makes any sacrifice or suffering intolerable.
Refocus on creating and maintaining our sense of community and connection to one another would go a long way to reversing our fertility decline. Serving one another, looking after eachother. Having our "tribes". Such an environment of support and love naturally encourages the desire for children to add to the community.
It’s amazing how many people gave me shit for having five children, but like painting the walls in my kitchen, black and living happily in a positive coparenting relationship with my ex-husband-I am ahead of the curve. Fuck off haters.
I raised four and was made to feel selfish, told I was irresponsible, many awful comments over the years. We are middle class with regular ups and downs. But the only way through tough times is with family.
@@AustrianPainter14lots of comments about how I’m wasting my education, they (the kids) will be a burden on the “system” (likely from someone who doesn’t realize that the “system” they’re so worried about is dependent on more income-earners to keep it operational). LOTS of negative feedback from strangers in public spaces about my apparent lack of either self-control, understanding of the mechanisms of reproduction, or hobbies. Some folks suggested that I might be having babies bc I need to feel needed or loved, or maybe I’m too competitive and was having kids for spiteful reasons. Countless “you should get a tv in your bedroom ha ha ha” comments, which I looked forward to because I had the sassy comeback of “We do! It’s great to watch porn on the big screen.” 😂😂😂
@@sarahahmad9891Black walls are great. Now I’m painting my LR ceiling a deep purple, aubergine. The room feels so cozy and inviting now. The perfect spot to have good conversations. I Highly recommended painting ceilings something other than flat white if possible
Psmitty97 I’m an expert on this stuff, you aren’t. Thailand has the lowest birthrate in the world. I’m in Latin America right now. Colombia, Brazil, Chile, Argentina, Costa Rica and Cuba have lower birthrates than America. There no kids anywhere. Try and keep up.
@@AustrianPainter14 as an expert, please present the data on the birth rates of South Korea vs Thailand, and state your source. This should not be a challenge for any expert. Sincerely, Your captive audience.
As a man in my early 30s, women are not my number 1 priority. Focusing on my self is. Working out, eating healthy, making money and doing what I enjoy gives me the ultimate peace.
@@AustrianPainter14 cope? I’m a pretty decent looking guy. I can have a woman if I wanted to. But women cost money and stress. I enjoy being able to live freely. I don’t have to answer to anyone.
@@daalmightpanda as a woman, I get your view. Relationships are super high maintenance and cost a lot of energy. I’m also focusing more on myself and on my family. Being an introvert could explain this as well
I think there are plenty of guys like you and I understand why. It's scary out there, and social media made it worse. It goes both ways too. Men think women are dispensable or just not worth it, and women think the same about men. Different times from when I was that age. So many horror stories in relationships now.
The elephant in the room is that our culture has gone a self destructive direction which is antagonistic to our evolutionary build-up. There will be a reset.
@@SaddleRockManitou why in America only one Political Party is advocating for things that will destroy society if left unchecked. The other side might be forcing their beliefs but there policies are all beneficial to children and society. Our problem isn't the parties anymore it's the people being f*cking dumb. We read at a 4th grade level and average education is 8th
Another great podcast and an important topic. Family is the fabric of society. I think it’s really sad for genetic lines to end unnecessarily. One factor that wasn’t mentioned was arrested development/prolonged adolescence. People doing recreational drugs and fooling around like 20 year olds until they’re 40+. I’m 39 and an “insing” and “incel” for a variety of reasons too long to list. Some men think it would be amazing to get propositioned all the time. I explain it to them like this… “Have you ever met a woman you’re not attracted to? Or a woman who makes you cringe?” They’ll always say “yes,” and then I say, “Now imagine women like that are coming up to you every day.” Then they get it. It’s not at all fun to be approached by men you’re not interested in. What’s worse is men you are interested in who only want to use you for your body in exchange for nothing or “free” drinks and food. If I’m not easy, plenty of other women will be, so if he’s not looking to start a family or he’s not financially prepared to, he’ll likely go where it’s easy. For this reason, a lot of modern dating is basically free or cheap prostitution on the women’s part. Feminists sell it as liberation, but it’s self-destruction. I’d much prefer to be an “incel-insing,” than a disposable woman. 40-50% of pregnancies in the west are unplanned, so playing the minefield will result in children for some women, but likely not result in a healthy two parent family. As an intentional person who wants the best for my unborn, playing father and family roulette is frightening. Friends say, “You know you could have a baby on your own.” Even my therapist asked if I would as if that’s normal! It’s not and shouldn’t be. Recently, a father of 4 argued with me that fathers are not important until he realised how stupid his argument was and stopped. The world’s brainwashed. The best healthiest thing for children is a stable two parent home protected by the legal bind of marriage. As an ex-teacher of 8 years, I observed that the children from two parent homes with one invested stay-at-home parent achieved the best results at school. I want the best for my unborn. Solutions? Solutions could involve better tax breaks for first home buyers. A man with a house is a more attractive proposition. A woman in a secured home feels safer to start a family. I know many men complain about female hypergamy but would you want your daughter to partner with a financially insecure man? That’s unsafe, even a dunce could do that math. Government funded free-to-use dating apps e.g. apps that are not driven by profit to keep people on for eternity, but rather want people to match. Ending remote work. 33% of people meet at work, but not in a remote world. I forfeited remote work in part for this reason. Environmental awareness. It’s wise of women to avoid female dominated sectors, or if you choose teaching, nursing etc., then be conscious to make an effort to meet men after hours before it’s too late. 8 years teaching, nothing but married men, flowery men and PE teachers. Event connection. I went to Chris’s event in Melbourne recently. That room of 2,000 could’ve potentially had some decent single men in it. It would help if eligible interested people could tick a box post-event, then their profile could be visible to all the other eligible people. Starting out via a shared interest makes it more likely that values will align for greater compatibility. Lastly, teach people how to flirt and be flirted with, and how to select a safe available partner as early as possible e.g. the last year of high school. Critical life skills likely very lost on a device-first post-Covid cohort.
According to the PEW Research Center the main reason people without out kids don't have kids is simply because they don't want any (a hair over 50% cited this reason).
Yep. The cat is out of the bag across the entire gddam world. Having children SUCKS. Physically, mentally, financially, socially. Why did people used to have so many kids? Partially because it was worth it, but mostly BECAUSE THEY DIDNT HAVE A CHOICE. You have to make the sacrifice of having children worth it but every society instead seems intent on punishing all but the poorest parents. I wanted 3 kids, I could only manage one. I could make the finances work but mentally it was awful. Humans aren't meant to raise children in nuclear families.
Of course. Even the stat the guy mentioned "Norwegians wanting 2.4 kids" is actually catastrophic. When people say how many kids they want, they usually mean how much they would have in the IDEAL conditions. However, ideal conditions almost never materialize, so it is not hard to understand why their rate is 1.4 instead.
No people, no human life on planet earth, it’s something our ancestors understood instinctually, unfortunately we are so “intelligent” we are about to go extinct….
The most annoying aspect of this subject is the black box term of fertility rates. It has been inferred for years that it is a biological issue, chemicals in the environment, hormones,... Now it is social?
I agree with the other comment. Money is an issue but t not THAT big. I say government could be handing out houses to everyone and it would not make a real difference when it comes to birthrates. The issue goes much deeper.
I just don't understand how billions of people throughout human history have done it with much less and almost no resources...why it can't be done today?
@@emilyk.5664 The capitalist system, the modern economy, is a machine engineered to take human babies and extract maximum resources from them. American property taxes are insanely high and FORCE productivity, not to mention most people have a mortgage....a big one.
This guy's belief that the accusations of far-right, handmaidens and reproductive rights bashing of his point will go away just proves you can't be clever in all areas.
Funny enough they never mention economics. America for example, no maternity leave. I have a friend working in a multinational american company but living in Europe just had her first child, talking to an american based girl. Both in the same company. The american girl said to my friend "my partner and myself can't afford kids" both having well paid jobs. But my friend had a year maternity leave. But no, let's blame women cause they are too picky. Never mention men are still not putting the same amount of work women do at home even tho both have jobs.
Norway has maternity leave and gives financial aid per child. No government has seen success at reversing fertility collapse by throwing money at it so far. This is primarily an issue of culture.
Yah most of history no one had mat leave, people still had kids. I look at the tax burden here in canada, where we have mat leave. A person in my tax bracket pays 15 to 20 percent less tax in the us, damn near what mat leave would pay. As for men not helping at home. how many women are mowing the lawn, building decks, sheds, shoveling 2 ft of snow. Fixing the car, repairing plumbing or electrical. Me and my dad wheelbarrowed 10 yards of sand the other day, how much do you think my mom helped move, oh yeah none. Its amazing how much women will ignore to air out their weak griviences.
In the USA women have to accumulate all vacation and sick days and sometimes short term disability, etc. just to have 4-6 months of total time to stay with their newborns. Some companies started giving "paternity leaves" of up to 2 months now too, but i wish they would just add some time to women. When i used to watch American movies and there were these women who were taken to hospital directly from work meetings, etc. i always thought "How can they be so career oriented, why can't they spend a month at home, to prepare mentally for a new baby and to take care of their health". I did not know that poor American women can't afford this. They have to work almost to the very last day only to have some more time after the delivery. This has to change.
"good enough" 1. Yacht (at least 100ft) 2. Mansion (at least 5 bedrooms) 3. Private jet (at least $2m) 4. Supercar (at least $1m) 5. Wedding (at least $3m) 6. Savings (at least $5m) 7. Publicly known business (at least $5m turnover) 8. No fault divorce in case I change my mind 4 months after marriage (50% drawdown) 9. Large family to shame and blackmail in case i don't get my way 10. Non-enforcable prenup
Men seem very concerned about this. Go out and adopt some kids if you’re that bothered about children. People don’t give a shit today. And that’s the bottom line. There is rugged individualism and many people are just trying to survive and keep their heads above water. Being pushed into poverty or into the food bank etc., isn’t high on the agenda so the responsible thing is to just manage your life and I think that’s what most people are trying to do!
Throughout history cities have always struggled to self replicate without migration. Its no surprise with such high levels of urbanization that whole countries are now struggling to self replicate. Sure, there are social aspects of the modern world that are most likely accelerating the process, but this is not a new phenomenon: cities can't replicate, the worlds climate changes, humans fight wars and continents collide. Life go's on.
My one cart of groceries for 2 adults was $858. And through Amazon I stocked up on 3 months of formula and that costed me $679. They’re lucky I procreated at all. 😢
@ for the record I knew it was going to come out between $300-$400, I stock up on meat every now and then. but was absolutely flabbergasted when the ending price came up. I wanted to cry. And there were so many people behind me and I felt embarrassed putting anything back, so when I got home I vowed to go as long as possible without grocery shopping. It’s been 4 weeks and I’m about to run out of meat and have been eating canned vegetables I bought a year ago this week. At this point it feels like a challenge and I wanna see if I can go another 4. I haven’t necessarily ran out of food but what I have left are ultra processed
We have six kids, my husband and I both wanted to have a big family. The hardest part is honestly the judgment from other people. Our kids are all healthy and normal with no behavioral issues but bringing them all out of the house together gets literal glares and rude comments from people (some are kind) almost like disgust from the majority of people. It’s a different world than when I was a kid.
6 is awesome! That's so weird they throw you shade. I guess they are part jealous, and other part in a death cult that demands they sacrifice their bloodlines to Baal. Ugh.
@55:36 That's the fix in a nutshell stop the state stealing 1.2 Million from every man and handing it to each women and men could provide that money directly to a women to be the husband provider.
Yep. Although it might cause some women to not trust men anyway and try to earn it themselves, I'm sure the majority can't keep up with men and will indeed go with the flow and marry the now more attractive men
If you factor in, that those women having children have the same amount on average as always. It´s just, the number of women not having kids increased a lot. I think there is only one reason : more information>more confusion>more anxiety>less kids.
Hello you savages. Get my free Reading List of 100 life-changing books here - chriswillx.com/books/ Here's the timestamps:
00:00 Why Mads’ Activism Caused Trouble
05:59 The Stats That Caught Mads’ Attention
09:23 Why is a Declining Birth Rate a Bad Thing?
23:51 Is Mads the Vanguard of This Issue?
27:01 The Global Issues Causing a Birth Rate Crisis
39:09 Do Men Need to Change & Improve?
47:42 How Society Can Help Elevate Men
57:07 How to Improve Our Mating Ideology
1:02:31 The Actual Reasons Why People Aren’t Having Kids
1:08:09 Opposition to Mads’ Work
1:19:01 Where to Find Mads
Dude. What’s wrong? You know where the real sauce is. Why are you evading me?
Men fought the wars to protect society woman fight for the right for abortion
Great interview, you are right up there with Rogan in my opinion.
This is behavioral sink, this is a death of purpose, leading to self worship and entropy. We must diagnose this psychosis and find out how to help people and bring more life into this world.
Great needed discussion and great rational guest. Well done!
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Animals in captivity often breed less due to stress, limited space, disrupted social structures, and unnatural environments. Poor diet or health issues can also impact fertility.
Our society is a worse rat-race than many of the vocal social critics in the 80's could have foreseen. Social media has definitely made us unsocial and purchasing power for the individual consumer is going down the drain. Salaries/wages are stagnant and housing prices and the cost of daily products and services just keep going up. Combine this with an ever-present sense of impending chaos and doom with the economy and you have a terrible mess on your hands.
I was just thinking about this the other day-- most of our issues come from legal and social systems (and elites running all that) trying to tame us into submission in increasingly tinier spaces and lives like we are factory-farmed chickens. And we wonder why we all feel like crap, some folks start acting out like a tiger pacing in its cage, why many of us are sad like animals out of their native environment in a small box, and why we all seem to succumb to illnesses our great-grandparents never saw? We are like zoo animals being kept in small cages being fed the wrong food because it's cheap... only we have to work to keep our cage!
I keep reading this. As if this was the REAL problem of fertility.
The biggest problem is the world-view that has been stripped away - the biblical world-view. The general world-view *can* exist without a true belief, such as in the 1980s, and, IMO, that would make society happier.
You didnt listen to single thing said by the person who actually studies this. The natural tendency of women does not match to evenly distributed pair bonding..... They either want to get the top ten percent of men or have nothing....
Never met a woman who wanted to have kids with me but I sure have met plenty of women who wanted me to help take care of the ones they already had.
Haha just “missed a match” with this 25yo woman who’s unemployed, doesn’t drive with 4 kids looking to settle down and find her one true love. Whole thing just sounded like just wanted a cash cow to milk
I've attempted to make 2 women pregnant this year, plenty of women want children, the main issue is... Can't say that...
@@neondystopian This shows how children can be a disadvantage for woman. They risk to be held back by responsibility for the children. For woman its emotionally very difficult to give over the children to the father if they are divorced.
@@ingridlindquist4895 the risk is enormous for women. I get that. I stay convinced that it's mostly a men problem: not reliable enough, persuaded that they will just have to snap their fingers to find a fertile woman if they want children age 45, extremely picky when it comes to long term relationships, not willing to do their part at home. Unpopular opinion: it's really into men's hands.
@ingridlindquist4895 which only happens when they choose poorly
I was born in NYC in '91 and grew up surrounded by cousins and kids in the parks. Now, as a mother of three, it’s striking how different things are. Most of my female cousins aren’t having kids, and my best friends either can’t afford to or don’t want to in today’s environment-even though they’d make amazing parents. After moving to CA, I rarely see mothers my age, and parks often feel empty. The concept of 'a village' feels obsolete. Motherhood today is incredibly isolating and nearly impossible without financial privilege.
That simply isn't true ...kids hardly cost a thing.
and you only had 3. That's the bare minimum required to not be a part of the problem. let alone a solution.
@@dontcallthemliberals3316 I dont think that was the message. 3 is plenty. but so so many have 0.
Undervslued reason women are more inclined to folow into the footssteps of friends or slightly over women if theyre not having kids they dont aspire to either coz it looks like ur gonna miss out on what they have
@@searose6192 how old r u and how many children have you had? Because everyone in my generation thinks having children is unattainable due to cost of living.
I'm 48 and have six children and in the UK.
I left school at 16 and met my wife at work at 18. First four children before 30 then a couple of didn't try hard enough not too afterwards.
How is that possible? We accessed the property market in the mid-late 90s when property was at its cheapest following the 89/90 property crash.
To put in perspective, 3 properties were on the market for a total cost which is now one third of the cost of just one of those same houses (we bought the house in the middle).
Same should've happened on 07/08 meaning this generation missed getting a homes at a reasonable value.
Now this is the difficult one. I live opposite my in-laws (and have done so for 27 years). Free child care. I was amazed speaking to another father who explained their child care costs were like another mortgage.
Our holidays have been camping and not going abroad. There is quite a bit of guilt for the children having to share bedrooms.
My biggest fear, given if i were my children's age, this would never happen now, is that I will have fewer grandchildren than children.
Sadly different parts of society will need to feel pain for this issue to be resolved, there are too many workers depressing wages. A labour shortage will put up wages meaning higher cost of living for mine and older generations, but if a home and a family becomes a genuine hope for young people, they will make babies.
In Asia, where I spent a few decades, multi-generational households are the norm. As I'm sure you'd agree, the benefits go far beyond just free child care. Instead of being "warehoused" in nursing homes, the elderly are cared for by family, allowing much deeper connections to develop across the generations.
I agree, eventually this infertility problem will resolve itself. Just as, in the natural environment, populations adjust to the availability of resources. It stands to reason that at some point our population decline will make large families viable again. It's just a question of how far we have to go down that path before we recover, and start increasing our population again.
I’m Norwegian electrician, make 77grand a year, my wife makes also good money. And we can’t afford 2nd child.
The bank make minus -120.000,- in our loan capacity per child. So the Norwegian state punishes us if we have children. If we have 3 children, it will be impossible to have a place to live.
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Isn't Norway the country of the £20 pint of beer, though?
@@cordfortina9073yes, alcohol is taxed heavily.
Why do you think you can’t afford a second child?
@@A_Hardy That happens with Australian banks too. But once you buy a house they can't control how many kids you have.
As a lawyer who practices in the area of family law (divorce), I can think of many reasons why men do not want to get married, especially in the USA.
@Mike-br8zt A big part of the problem is that a lot of men don't know how to pick a good partner. They overestimate a woman's looks as an indicator of a suitable partner. The men we know who have been married the longest aren't married to models. People generally also tend to pick partners based on their feelings, which change from day to day. Whereas marriage and commitment is a choice and not a feeling. This is missing from a lot of the conversation. There's actually a male therapist out there who tells men to pursue more average looking women and to give attraction time to develop. But how many men do you think are willing to do that?
@@emilyl6746 What are you talking about? Do you really think most men even have the ability to chose between partners? Most have the chance to be with a few woman in their league over their whole lifespan at best. Either they pick them or they end up with noone.
This conversation will NEVER be discussed, because the lawyers the courts and the women get paid, the only loser is the men, and unfortunately noone cares, between feminism and divorce courts, men are terrified of marriage
@@giveitatry951It's always about blaming men and women not taking any responsibility for their own actions and shaming other women or changing ANY of the clearly insane laws around marriage and children.
The data shows it isnt all women having less kids. Its a certain subset of women have no kids. Perhaps those women are toxic. Perhaps those women are just focused on other things. But in many nations, like Japan, its a case of women not having any kids at all.
I dont think there is a universal answer as to the why. In each country its different. But the underlying issue is the same. Women being treated the same as men always seems to lead to this end. Irrespective of cultures.
It happend in Rome, it happened in Greece. It even happened in Persia. Every place women are made equal to men ALWAYS has a catastrophic effect on birth rates. Always.
Men are also checking out of relationships due to the cost of divorce , men's wages are stagnant and men's education have fallen .. everything needs to be addressed
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Yeah. Most vids on this topic concern men who’ve had enough.
No kidding. Here in the US the average man has not had a pay raise that equaled and actual increase in their standard of living since 1974.
Marriage is not needed to have kids
@@kdeulerIm apalled just how these podcasts dont discuss how society functions only for rich
They are becoming like msm
Ppl dont realise this podcasts are not alternative to mom
They are becoming msm slowly but surely
The concept of health in "The 23 Former Doctor Truths" book completely explains this. I wish I read it sooner.
A major point to discuss more on this issue is status. The ideal nowadays is to be successful in a career endevour and make lots of money. Women play a unique role in family life by being the heavy lifters of childbirth and care, but this is seen as a lesser position to fill it seems, especially if you choose to be a stay at home mom who works on family oriented things full time. Its like you're settling for a lesser life than the career woman who skips out on having kids and goes off to girlboss her way up the economic latter. Its a value thing, we just dont value family as much as we value status and money. And the financial landscape being hellish for young people right now only drives that ideal even harder as its getting more and more difficult to make enough money to live. Having kids is seen as an unnecessary financial burden to an already difficult situation.
Im norwegian and my mom was a stay at home mom. She made our childhoods incredible with all the things she did for us, but I remember clearly how she was looked down on by working moms for staying home. Our culture simply doesnt appreciate things that are not exchanged for money. Taking care of your kids? Nah. Paying someone else to care for your kids while you work? Absolutely!
That’s one way of stigmatisation.
Our household is me working full time and my wife is part time. A part time ED nurse who is quite fantastic at her job.
It doesn’t hurt our son to see us both working.
The modern economy and societal needs can easily accommodate all sorts of ways of working while parenting
I even hear working from home is a thing now….
I think this is very true, as a hous3wife myself, I got a lot of pushback when I said I wanted to do this and got a lot of comments on how I was basically wasting my potential and also that I was setting myself up to be in a position to be abus3d or that if something happened to my husband I would be S.O.L. lots of fear mongering about him either kicking the bucket or finding someone on the side and my having to put up with it etc...even though I know that's not my husband it gave me so much stress. So young ladies who consider this get a lot of negative feedback.
@MC-ze8wj Exactly, "wasting your potential". For what, slaving for a corporation that can replace you at any moment? No hate to people who love their jobs, but taking care of your family has its own reward that is not measured in money. Good on you for sticking to what is right for you, Im sure you are a blessing to your loved ones.
You nailed it!
I’m a fan of SAHM’s and would want to be one, because I used to be a teacher and the children of invested SAHM’s get the best results.
Sad that your mum was judged by other women, but great that she experienced the judgment and did it anyway. Likely her efforts produced healthy stable outcomes. ❤
Chris why aren't you a father yet? By choice? Can't find a mate? Fertility issues? In process of adopting?
😂. Best irony of him doing all of this is that he has no excuse for not popping out a hundred children.
On my end it is I can't find a partner, the ones I was interested in were either taken or not interested and those interested in me didn't meet my standards. Considering going across seas at this point.
It's not about individuals it's about the big picture of trends in populations.
He's bi. I'm sure that's a big part of it.
@@RockBottom4wishful thinking?
This is an amazing example of cognitive dissonance. One the one hand he states that Norway has created one of the very best societies in the world, then goes on to say that this society is heading for extinction. A society that destroys itself is not a good society, even though you may feel good in it.
Indeed. He also repeats over and over how "abolishing women's freedoms would be a bad thing that nobody wants", even though it is clear that said freedoms are the cause of civilizational collapse.
Thank you !!!
It’s like saying “ my diet is making me obese & sick, I recognize that, and talk about eating healthy, but will not advocate for actually doing it.”
@@viggotannhauser7251 Well that isn't quite clear. South Korea has far less women's freedoms and half the birth rate. The gap between men and women's expectations might be more crucial. So making men more feminist and women less.
Haha that's so true. What a deranged take. If you're people are heading towards extinction, get off your comfortable sofas and fix the freaking problem!!
Everything now is measured by economy.
I think a core piece of this is that our society has largely reduced the value of a child. TV shows and movies are mostly adults living in apartments with no children. A child is viewed as something that you should have AFTER doing everything else you want to do (travel, have a career, etc). An unexpected pregnancy is looked at as something that will ruin your life.
The unsaid thing about all of these aspects of our culture is that a child is not a positive thing. It gets in the way of ME. My hopes, my dreams, my wants, my fun. If I have a kid, I’m not the most important person in my life anymore.
We’ve built a narcissistic society that simply doesn’t value children. Thats not an easy thing to fix.
They put putting babies in a blender over motherhood and wonder why men aren't lining up
I don't think this is wrong but watch the video as this looks at women not able to have as many children as they would like to have and the spiral this leads to culturally. Like all these one theme podcasts it over-focuses on one aspect of the issue but one not being considered at all so worth discussing.
I agree but it's not only narcissism. Society makes it prohibitive to have and raise kids. People watch the news and see what happens to kids and families and they thank God they don't have any. Pretty sad.
I think you are missing one point - in ancient times kids where your pension. Nowadays your pension depends on taxes you pay to government... But having kids reduces this tax amount so kids are effectively downgrading your life level not just short term but long term as well...
From government point of view kids also are pure expenses... Its much cheaper to import workforce from abroad. And thats what they are doing in West.
I agree but. I think society has reduced the value of humans as a whole. Not just children.
I have 13 cousins, and I am one of three children myself. My son and daughter only have 2 cousins, and we would be commiting financial suicide if we have another child. This shows the drop in population from our generation to the next.
Childcare cost is double our mortgage a month, and that is with one grandparent helping out twice a week. Wages have not increased in real terms with inflation for decades so we are working just as hard or harder for less. Animals will delay reproducing if the environmental conditions are not good enough to support offspring, many animals like deer will re-absord the fetus if only enough resources are available to sustain the mother alone. Humans are no different, if no surplus funds or resources are available, they will put off having children. This is all about big business manipulating the labour markets and wages, also people are now being denied property ownership as the costs are too high??!!! If people have no stability they will never take the risk of being destitute with a baby. The jobs market is also highly unstable, many people have no stable income or even a long term place to live.
This is hilarious. A person in 2024, living in the developed part of the world, comparing themselves to starving deer to demonstrate just how bad the situation is for having children. You have to stop comparing yourself to your parents and grandparents. They were living during the golden age that was an anomaly and will probably not repeat ever again. I don't have anything against anti-natalism, but it irks me to no end that people can't recognize that it is actually our expectations and our lifestyle that are the problem. We have set the bar too high, which will ironically lead to the economy dropping further, and people will only start having more children when the entire system collapses and dictatorship just start coercing people into having children.
@@julius43461 my grandfather was born during the depression, into a family of 7. He worked as did his brothers at a young age to help support the family. See, the economy was horrible, yet children could help produve a surplus. This is quite the opposite post ww2, since children could no longer work at a young age unless under an apprenticeship. Therefore children started to become a burden. The reality is that child labor is a contributing factor that people fail to see. Call it slavery (in some cases very true) but these kids ended up with valuable skills, confidence and maturity, humility, and often times decent pay once their apprenticeship was compleete. Most children started work at 13 for most of human history until the 1930s when that was completely phased out, although the process had been happening slowly across the industrialized nations since the 1890's.
My friend, you should be looking into government policy as the primary cause of the CoL crisis. While I agree big business can manipulate the market to some degree, it only does so by capturing regulators and then using the government to prevent competitors from joining the market. In other words, it is almost always state policies and regulations (e.g., restrictions in new housing development) that create artificially high costs and reduce the spending power of your currency (e.g., inflation is caused directly by the printing of money, and nothing else!). As a fellow sufferer of CoL increases, we must direct our energy towards the correct perpetrators.
If you're still skeptical, read or listen to Thomas Sowell. He really helped me understand these principles.
@@nk53nxg pretty silly to say humans are like deer and don’t produce offspring when resources are scarce. Deer do that naturally, humans where condoms, use birth control and have abortions. We are nothing like deer.
We really need to discuss how expensive daycare and raising a kid is now. It's insane. Daycare is a second mortgage.
I had twins, Daycare would be about 1.5x my mortgage. Luckily I work from home, but that means my kids are having to be raised by a dad who is also working and doesn't get everything they need during the day as far as play and teaching.
They broke our money in 1964 causing this and there is no fix until we go back to honest and real money.
Good luck.
What about making raising your children your career at least while your children are not in school.
There was no such thing as daycare when I was a child
Fr. I did the math and it would cost me $2,000+ for daycare, car payment and insurance a month if I got a job before I even got out the door. That’s why I’m a sahm lol
31:09 there is a French saying: "God laughs at those who bemoans the consequences of the causes they cherish".
It perfectly describes this researcher.
Bossuet-pilled
Animals don't breed in captivity.
The economic situation is similar to being captive.
That's why they impregnate captive animals via artificial insemination to force them to reproduce. Most of us are merely products, machinery, commodities, and units of capital in the eyes of those who exploit and profit off of us. If our population declines to much, the matrix will break down. If we don't reproduce voluntarily, they will find ways to coerce us (or deceive us).
Very good observation
Oh please don't take me for a moron, the collapse of births happened well before people could not afford a house on one salary, it happened in the 60s and 70s. What coincides with those decades then? Using contraceptives and abortion as a contraceptives, that's why you don't have children, it's not because of money.
I'm a 39 year old, single, childless woman who very much wanted a family of my own. I have a good career, have started a small homestead, I'm no great beauty but take care of my health. Maybe my standards for a partner are too high but I would rather never have children than become a single mom and I just haven't found a partner who wanted a family and who I felt confident that they would stay with me long-term and I wanted to stay with them long-term. Becoming a single mom would ruin the life I have worked insanely hard to build. I don't have the money for childcare on my own nor would I want some random person spending more time with my kids than I could while I work full-time and I have no family nearby who could help support me with raising a child. Maybe I would have taken a bigger risk with men I've dated in the past if I had some family support, I dunno. But I dont think my situation is that uncommon and I think a big part of the issue is the breakdown of multigenerational families where everyone comes together to help raise children. The vast majority of the responsibilities of raising kids has now fallen on mom and dad, it is no longer 'it takes a village to raise a child' and it's insanely difficult for 1 or 2 people to do it alone.
Edited to add: i just finished the video and I'm disappointed they didnt have advice for someone like me on new/unconventional ways of finding a partner because I've tried everything and very open to ideas, lol. At this stage of my life i have very low hopes of finding a partner before conceiving would be very difficult so my plan is to keep working hard, retire early, around 52, and then foster and adopt children when I can be financially secure enough to stay home and raise them right. But if a suitable man suddenly fell into my life tomorrow I'd be willing to give it a go so y'all, please tell me where to find him 😂
I think your situation is actually quite common! And we all make choices, but it was very hard as a single man dating when I could tell at least half of the women in front of me on these first dates were not interested in becoming wives and mothers. At least they didn’t seem like they had a sacrificial attitude, that would make marrying them feasible.
But I was able to sift through the bad ones and find a great woman, and we are now trying for our fourth child.
What I’m getting at is, there are literally dozens of reasons to not get married and not have children today. But it only takes two people to say “we’re going to do it anyway”. My wife and I are both those types of people.
You can’t eat your cake and have it too. You have become the partner you are looking for. You wanted financial and sexual power but it comes at a cost.
Anyone with both powers is in effect a tyrant and no one healthy likes a tyrant. I don’t know what to tell you darling. This bed is made.
@@derek4412beautiful read. May God keep you both and protect your kids.
Dear Heather, if you want a good family man, you need to attract him, he's not randomly "falling into your life". And there's nothing more attractive to a good man than a loving and faithful woman, who's not acting too crazy. ;-) Be a lady. Go out places where your preferred character is likely to frequent and make it OBVIOUS you're available with eye contact and smile. Positive motivation is stronger than demands/complaints. Plus you'll feel better, too.
(Your 52 plan sounds sad, tired and aimed at more kids without a father figure. Worse than cats. Please don't do that to yourself.)
God speed!
@@Martin_137 What makes you think I haven't tried that for the last 2 decades? I'm not stupid or totally socially inept, what you laid out is the traditional advice for women to attract men. Nothing new or revolutionary.
Well, some of us just aren't lucky enough or pretty enough to land a quality man when we are young. And it only gets harder and harder as people get established and settled in their lives. I've dated a lot and have had a few multiple year relationships trying to figure out if we can make it work but we ultimately run up against an incompatibility in what we want in life.
At this age I'm much more content to just take care of myself and look forward to kids later in life rather than forcing it with someone who is not someone I think would be a good husband and father. I think that would be a much sadder reality than being a cat lady or adoptive mom.
I keep pointing out to my husband the lack of children we see when we are out in public. We used to see strollers everywhere, not anymore. There are no "portable classrooms" anymore. There are hardly any children in parks anymore. It is very disturbing. I only have 2 grandchildren and it is unlikely I will have anymore. If societies want children, families have to be supported. Until governments and these shortsighted corporations see that no customers means no tax base or no profits, things will continue on in this ridiculous fashion.
Vvomens rights + social media
Does less tax base mean higher interest rates for countries' borrowing?
Idk. I went to the zoo this last spring and it seemed like every other woman I saw was pregnant. They were mostly older women tho. Over 30 but they also had a brood with them already too
***usess anecdote that also proves nothing***
Mrtickleberries
That’s called confirmation bias. Imagine going to a football game and seeing football fans.
Asking govts to solve the birth crisis is like asking them to fix bad music. It is beyond their abilities.
Dating apps, economics, promiscuity, unrealistic expectations.
Ban all forms of birth control and abortion and watch the birth rate rise. And yes, government has that power. Haha, just look at Iran's population growth pre and post Islamic revolution.
They're also a massive part of the problem on both economics as well as pushing toxic ideology.
See: population of Iran 1960 to 2020. Government CAN solve this entire problem, you just don't want to hear what the solution is (taking all freedom away from women).
@@eustacemcgoodboy9702 we're talking about fertility rate though. Iran is at near it's lowest birth rate in history. it was slightly lower in 2008 but it is falling again currently. by your logic removing women rights actually made the birth rate worse in Iran.
The modern fascism of stress, medical abuse, bad nutrition, industrial food, environmental pollution, psychological distraction, no purpose in life, narcissistic dispositions, children avoiding society etc. helps everything but fertility or family life.
Yeah, its an anti-human flourishing system right now. And its 100% a choice. We have the abundance and human capital to solve any problem, it's just that we can't because a system that is more and more becoming a death cult keeps driving humanity in the wrong direction!
Society has so much influence on us. I was told by my granny that I am lazy because i dont want to work.. i have 2 kids - a 3yo and a 10-month-old at home, i was working between them, but now I feel like it is the best for them when i spend some time with them at home. Both my parents and grandparents had a huge family (grandparents) support, which we dont have at all because our parents have their own lives and they still work, the circumstances are just so different, yet i really dont understand why mothers are shamed, i would like to have more kids but i know i would be very criticized for such decision even in my own family..
Great comment. I agree with you.👍
Have more kids! Don't let your family shame you - that's horrible!! It's a decision for you and your husband. I know I'm never going to look back and wish I'd done more 'work' and had less kids. Yes, it involves a lot of sacrifice, but also a lot of joy and love.
I'm about to have my 4th and the reaction from one of my grandfather's was... "Oh..." like he was disappointed I wasn't going back to work!? It was bizarre!
I have no regrets. Third child was best decision ever. Looking forward to adding the next soon :)
Tbh, they had support because they earned it. Nowadays, women bully to the ones who are supposed to help them take care of their kids (other women) then wonder why they don’t have support. How many times in middle school were you a “mean girl” to a potential ally? I personally love kids and is happy to help moms, yet no good deed goes unpunished so I sit out watching the moms struggle instead. I’ve had moms I’ve given money too to & help with their kids not talk to me over $40 (after I’ve given them the equivalent of thousands- covered schooling costs, childcare, picked up their kids from school etc). This generation of XX’s want to take while being narcissistic and so the “village” decided to let them handle it on their own.
Low birthrate doesnt result in "empty cities"...it results in your environmental niche being claimed by high birthrate migrants...
This is not the first time that humans have had a hard time replacing the next generation.....but a Darwinian process selects for the people that can make it happen.
Religion, culture, and Tradition are essentially a fertility ritual, and the people with the most successful fertility ritual own the future.
Its already happening in Europe
Yes, that’s why the situation in South Korea, Japan, Poland etc. is less concerning since natural selection will sort everything out in a century. It’s nations like the UK, Germany, Sweden that will just become copies of third world countries.
Unless it creates a huge war that kills all of us, like Carl Sagan used to warn us about. I bet that is kinda likely, but let's not think about that, right?
electricpaper269
This isn’t natural selection. It’s zeksual selection. The best minds are not having families because they aren’t being selected by vvomen.
"Already happening in Europe" Correct... and in the USA, the Same Thing is happening to European Genetics, whereas
other groups are strong, proud, and fertile. Western Culture has put all choices regarding sexual relations, and procreation
in the hands of females. European women, regardless of where they are in the world, DO NOT Want European babies.
There are various reasons/excuses given as to why children are too difficult.... But who really believes life is
harder today then it was 100 years ago or 1000 years ago.
42:30 You don't hae to tell them to lower their standards, but you have to tell them the truth; that they can't have it all.
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Women's standards typically lower by themselves as they age because reality always catches up, the best women are always out of the dating market early, but the leftovers are either spoiled (Alpha widows) or ripe (lower their unrealistic standards).
Most people can't survive on 1 income. Look prices of rent, healthcare and food. Most of it boils down to 2 people being financially forced to work long hours to just afford rent and food. Physical exhausted does not encourage good sexual and relationships. Exhaustion is real. Sleep is the new sex!
@@marianhunt8899Wages are depressed because women flooded the labor market.
This is the issue right here, look up the UNs definition of genocide thats whats actually going on in open borders western worldnative births are traded for mass imigration @@marianhunt8899
There's no fertlity crisis. There's a hopeless economic crisis as seen in all the other indicators also getting worse like depression, salary, and housing & rent prices. Even married ppl are not having children bc it's very expensive today and there's no hope for the future, plus both ppl have to work and childcare costs as much as rent. Maybe the Scandinavian doesn't understand this, which is he is hyper-focused on "mating practices".
My parents are some of the youngest baby boomers. They spend $200 PER MONTH on satellite tv. Plus subscriptions for prime, netflix, etc. I have no idea how much money they spend on booze, going out to eat, etc, but by the amount the do it, it must be several hundred a month.
They blow EVERY MONTH what my mortgage is.
Parents used to build wealth for their children to inherit and continue building.
I worked as an electricians help for several years. EVERY SINGLE HOUSE we went to that had an older woman in it wad FILLED with useless decorations.
Parents stopped caring about building their children.
You need to plan for your own retirement. Don’t rely on your parents; and if they leave you anything be grateful. Basically no one is going to save you; save yourself
@BENR8108
Yeah...thanksfor that info.
@@BENR8108parents should try to vote to benefit the generations to come
Grow up
I'm one of those single women, and I can tell you, my parents left me NOTHING--but they did provide money for college. I worked my ass off and didn't have enough income for a family, or vacations--or to buy a house til I was 60. Anyone who thinks they're entitled to inherit ANYTHING material IS the problem. Get out there and do it yourself.
Wait, how is the government transferring resources from men to women good for society?
1 million per women!! Only way i can understand it is politicans wanted to put women into the workforce. Higher supply of workers to drive down wages. Maybe boost GDP after the war years? But it costs men 1 million per woman in Denmark!!
I can't understand it myself, it's insane. And I'm freaking Norwegian!!
It pays for the lawyers’ children. That’s about all it does.
They need to value all that work of women caring in the home.
@@Victoria-Enzula If a woman is married to a man and she stays home usually he would go out and work to pay for both of them. It's a voluntary exchange of services consented to by both parties, the government doesn't need to be involved. Or do you mean single women need to be compensated by the government just for taking care of themselves and their own home like a responsible adult?
We should also be talking about the overuse of endocrine disrupters in most products. It has a negative effect on fertility and we should do more to stop the use of these unecessary chemicals in products
look up how birth control works. It literally fills your body with progesterone to trick it into thinking it's already released an egg and it's been fertilized. This suppresses your desire for sex as agajn your body thinks that's already happened. There's NUMEROUS studies that show women find different things attractive on and off BC, and that they prefer more effeminate men when on BC (because they aren't a "threat" to the baby) and more masculine men when off BC. This doesn't only effect women either. Testosterone is a reactive hormone, so the male body produces more or less determined by environmental factors. And because almost every woman between the age of 13 and 45 now days is taking BC 24/7/365 we've actually noticed measurable amounts of progesterone in the water supply from women urinating out the massive excess. This gets in the men and causes them to produce less testosterone. Leading to the "why aren't men like they used to be" "wheres the real men" effect. The lack of testosterone makes men more obese, more irritable and agitated. Hormonal birth control is poisoning men and women
What percentage of the population collapse is due to people having the funds and support system to have children but can’t due to infertility? I understand your stance and agree that man-made foods and products are harmful but this variable by itself only impacts a small minority of people, people who usually wait far too long to try and have children.
@hennyindacup yea I'd say that choice is the primary driver behind this rather than infertility. We have data from every country on earth that shows that as the country becomes richer and more "equal" the birthrate always plummets.
@@hennyindacup I don’t know the statistics on that but it’s a no brainer that we shouldn’t have products that ruin people fertility and make them sick. Of course fertility issues is only one part of the equation but if a lot of people struggle to find a partner before they reach their 30’s then it’s a pretty bad idea to have so many products that decrease fertility when it’s already a Challenge because of age
@@Patson20 even so, fertility is still an important issue that we should ALSO make changes to improve. It’s not a competition, rather we want to make changes that improve all aspects. It’s truly sad that a significant amount of couples who actually want to have babies are struggling to get pregnant
Nah dont do anything. It will eventually stabilize. The amount of people we have now is the anomaly. Imagine thinking unlimited growth was actually a sustainable model.
I'm really curious what is going to happen when the median age is 50+ and they will try to tax the fighting age population to death. I guess I will see it in due time.
@@IgnasV eventually that problem will also fix itself.
You misanthropes would say this regardless of the population. If we had 1 million you would say it’s too much.
It always intrigues me how every video that I’ve ever watched on this topic always involves the discussion of “making men better”. There is never ever a discussion of “making women better”. Even when women are performing badly compared to their traditional archetype, we still turn right around and talk again about “making men better”.
I truly find this astounding, like to the point that it truly shocks me…
Another, very obvious, reason for men to quit the dating scene.
For someone who claims to have done research into fertility the man in this video seems to be spectacularly good at not understanding it.
His point was that people need to meet where they are. Women can't expect men as a demographic to improve. So it wouldn't make sense to also think women as a demographic needs to improve.
@dylzp Look who runs UA-cam, and who she replaced.
That explains why.
Men lead, women follow - a general statement of course, but there’s truth to it?
@mortensimonsen1645 The last 50 years says otherwise.
Stefan molyneux covered all this stuff like 7 yrs ago. You should track that guy down. Had over a million subs on UA-cam and got totally banned out of no where.
Damn i remember youre absolutely right!
I don’t know what the trigger was for Molyneux was, but he was arguing wrongly that minorities were genetically inferior.
He was banned because he told some unpleasant truths.
He's on Rumble. I think he got rich from some Crypto. But he's still putting out content.
You’re not allow to criticize women in ANY form or fashion. Why? Women represent 80% of global spending and 2/3 of global debt.
I’ve listened to this for an hour and have not heard the word RELIGION.
Haha the science bros don't want to say it, it's like saying Voldemort to them. I kid, as Chris has talked about this somewhat, but it is interesting.
Well, there are a lot of couples who are deciding to not have kids too. The cost of having children is quite high now. Blame the economy instead of men or women specifically.
Having a family is no longer a major goal for many cultures, and instead people have been focusing on career and being “independent.” We need to change culture to value familes again.
There's a difference between genuinely having "family values" and systemically forcing people into families.
Because lack of religion too
I feel like it's fear of going back to less free and nore oppressive times that are causing people to make up the idea that anyone will be "forced" into having families. I think the plan more likely to happen is that people will be "encouraged" to have build more families. The ability to create a family is a powerful and essential to the survival of the human species and with great power comes great responsibility.
@SalmonColoredSalmon6267
Those quotation marks are doing a lot of heavy lifting there
@@ss-ds2dn I mean, I meant what I said in regards to those two words actually having different meanings. Forcing would be akin to something like creating a law that says if people don't have at least one child by the time they turn 30, they'll be subjected to work in a slave labor camp, while encouraging would be something like offering child tax credits to incentivise people to have children, which was mentioned in the video.
But by saying heavy lifting, would I be correct in assuming you're worried that those words could be misconstrued as being vague enough that institutions in charge would see the definition of both terms as essentially being one in the same, and that they would choose to push for the forceful option while advertising it as simply encouragement?
If not, what do you mean by heavy lifting?
This guy is so calm with people attack him personally and professionally. He has an amazing attitude of indifference and thinks it’s at least good people are talking about it.
He has an evolutionary psychology outlook.
He very much expects humans to behave the way they do in certain environments.
1:18, "In Norway women would like to have 2.4 children". Not sure how this survey was conducted, but don't get your hopes up. Normally the way this is asked, people will essentially respond with "In ideal circumstances, I would like to have 2 or 3 children". The thing is, those ideal circumstances will never come for most people. So the fact that they only want 2.4 is one of the best indicators that this can't be fixed with some light incentives.
Even if they did implement extreme measures, I'm not sure it would work. Augustus Caesar tried that and the nobles just worked around the laws. They didn't actually have children, they adopted. Personally, there is nothing you could offer me, even if divorce was impossible and a woman 100% submitted, that I would take most of these women, even if they looked like 10s. I do wonder how many men share the same disgust factor as I do but if it's even 20% it still would be devastating for society.
Exactly. And I'm not sure they examined the reasons why women didn't have the desired amount. They seemed to assume it was external circumstances but maybe they just realised they didn't enjoy it...
@@AngelDeedyou'd be surprised how mundane the reasons are. A lot of women I know stop at 2 or 3 children because it's hard to find a big enough car to fit all the children in, or it makes traveling hard. The biggest barrier to me having a large family is the fact that my family lives 17000km away and it'll be financially impossible to ever visit them. Another reason is that people have children later and it gets more tiring the older you get. Simple as that really
"They only want 2.4" bro do you know how fast brats get traumatised if they decide you haven't given them enought attention and emotilnal availability 💀 3 is already pushing it time-wise.
@edwardhisse2687 Lol I know, I have a third one on the way. Since we are all gamers that means buying a 5th gaming PC eventually 💀
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I think the main question should be not if women meet partners they desire, but if men are willing to become single parents if relationships don’t work our so that their exes could go on having kids. Because if it’s gatekeeper sex that is supposed to sacrifice careers and become primary caretakers and maids in the household, the other way around could boost the fertility for sure
Until the cost of living decreases and people can actually afford houses not many will be thinking about procreating when most are concerned about just surviving
You can't increase socialism and concurrently lower the cost of living. They are mutually exclusive. The only way this works is if we lower the standard of living.
I always wanted kids. I had 3 siblings and wanted at least 3 kids of my own, but we could only manage one. Put $250k in my bank account and I'd have another one right now. Governments could stem the bleeding if they paid women who are already moms to have additional children. SK has proven that money isn't enough of an incentive to go from no kids to kids but it absolutely would work for people who are already parents by choice.
My parents had 4 kids in 8 years and had ample help from their parents and siblings. I have lived 2 hours away from my parents for 7 years and they have only bothered to visit once each. The message is received, we're on our own, but it is extremely unnatural and difficult to raise kids in siloed nuclear families.
As a grandfather I'd love to help raise grandchildren,however the government wants me to work until I'm 70
"Put $250k in my bank account and I'd have another one right now" - doesn't work that way. Have the baby....the money will follow. Trust me on this. I have 11 children (all with one wife, don't worry). Every time we got pregnant, I got a raise, a promotion....money almost fell from the sky. But you have to step out in faith FIRST...then the good things come.
Money is not the issue, there are Somali families on welfare here with 15 kids.
I think this is the first step and group society should give money to. "Have another kid, have a 100k" or something similar.
@@-haclong2366 Don't worry. The issue here is that they want to steal your money through taxes. Why did you assume it's to increase the birthgap?
Hot take, if men were to "become better" studying really hard and making a lot of money, people would then start screeching about the income and education gap. It's also a bit hypocritical that women can make demands about how good of a workhorse a man has to be, rather than the content of his character, but if a man wants a woman to look a certain way instead of considering her personality, that is considered shallow
In the last little while, the subject of children came up in 2 different conversations. The first was a man in his 30's who asked me, after I proudly said that I had 2 children: "Were you not concerned about having children in such a broken world?" I paused and asked myself if he was accusing me of being irresponsible. Well, I was in love, which leads to wanting to give life and I believe in the future. What a sad way to look at life he has. The second, a woman in her 30's as well, asked me basically the same question. I think young people have lost faith and hope in the future. Every generation obviously has its challenges.
In my view, the real reasons we arent having kids:
1. Young people have a lot more entertainment and interests than older generations. When I look at people with kids who I know, they have maximum 1 actual hobby, sometimes zero. Most people without kids spend lots of their spare time on multiple hobbies, and do not want to lose that time. Raising kids may be meaningful to some, but its not fun, and its hard work. Many would rather relax and engage with their hobbies instead.
2. The growing divide in values and politics between men and women. Nobody wants to date someone with opposing values, and the more the divide grows, the less people will get together. Less dating means less relationships. Less relationships means less kids.
3. Financially, its not just that people cannot afford to have kids, but they cant afford to have kids without making significant sacrifices to our own comfort. However, it is also true that some people cannot afford to move out of their parents house or out of renting a house share. Nobody wants to raise kids if they cant raise them in their own home.
I‘d add a 4th one. Societies are not kid friendly. They are seen as a disturbance.
To sum up, it's for selfish reasons. Why do something that isn't specifically about you.
@@ickster23 There is definitely a strong element of that in points 1 and 3. I think this is a natural development of a world of abundance. Essentially, we are living in mouse utopia.
@@numberproof7228 Yep, mouse utopia. I agree.
These are the cope reasons, actually.
Taxes, rent, energy and food are about 85% of my income and the percentage has increased over the last 10 years, why would I ever have children. The signals from society that I am not good enough to make it could not be louder
It wasn’t any different when your great grandmother, your grandmother and your parents were paying their way through life.
Yet here you are….
@@danielpye7738 Last 10 years my fixed costs went from about 60% to 85% now, if the next decade is the same it will be above 100%. I am not going to add another being into this
@@danielpye7738 False, my great grand parents, grand parents and parents had a better life. They didn't work the long hours I works nor were their bills and rent as high.
@@danielpye7738 It was different. Real state was cheap back then. You could have kids and have them working on the land, or build up their trade.
@@danielpye7738Go check the numbers on the cost of housing over time, then revise your comment.
I 100% agree. It's women's immediate choices but it's men's indirect choices that determine what choice is actually available to women. And I always disagree when people say women don't want to have children, many do but they are involuntarily childless simply because they will not settle to be single mums or feel like they carry the burden by themselves.
So what limits woman from picking up good guy while they are still young and beautiful?
@Mr_MikeB Nice guys? Who are concerned about how beautiful they look? Right. They want grown, responsible men who know what their priorities are and do not shy away from the commitment and responsibilities of raising a family.
@@fimanu Well, - when speaking about looks I was meaning girls... But you [icked up good point as well - girls also care about looks of the guys... so good looking guy will be chased a lot...
@@Mr_MikeB thing is, boys are not men and girls are not women. I'm not talking about girls who, just like boys, are navigating sex, life, love and all that. Young people need to make mistakes and have fun and be kind of irresponsible to experience the world. Girls are not thinking about kids, their just as superficial as boys are. We are not talking about girls and boys here, we are talking about men and women who have lived and want to have kids, a family, a community. If you are around 30 and you have a career you cannot have kids unless you have a partner that is willing to share the burden with you. So, many give up and just focus on work instead.
Do you realize how much they delete comments on your page - which directly affects your videos in the algorithm?
I bet you're already minus 100 for the 8 that they let show.
Even the faintest critique of fem in ism is deleted on this channel, so I won’t be surprised if this mild comment is removed.
Any mention of a recent "medical" treatment of 80% of the population is also immediately deleted.
They've been on a mass deletion trend lately. I get shadowbanned, replies hidden and comments deleted regularly despite being civil and polite. I called it out this afternoon on another video by editing the comment and all of a sudden, people started seeing it, left likes and commented.
Your point was proven. I posted a reply to this comment and it didn't even show up, instantly deleted.
@@stonemarten1400Jews
Society does not give an F about the slave class. Or men.
16:39 the reason academics are nervous to sound the alarm on things like the fertility collapse is due to the inherent bias of who becomes an academic.
Male academics give up a lot to become academics. It’s very hard to provide for a family and give your wife and children stability if you have to move around constantly for the next academic gig. Female academics give up even more in that they also deal with the constant moving around, and also take the brunt of pressure from their families. Also, a very high percentage of female academics are themselves childfree.
So if you were to survey 100 female academics at random who have at least five children, a significantly higher proportion of them would be interested in sounding the alarm about the fertility collapse.
But if you survey 100 female academics at random who do not have any children, they have an inherent bias to make this seem like it’s not a big deal.
And there are many more female academics without children than there are with 5+ children. So their attitude predominates.
You could call it “self justification“, or whatever you would like. But academics are still human beings, and that is what it is.
This is an excellent point. I was actually told by my female PhD advisor (herself childless) to not get married and have kids while in my doctoral program. Seeing her gray haired wedding photo was enough to make me reconsider her advice. I did so anyway, and then didn't pursue academics after graduation. It's a self selecting pool of women who do the girl boss acacademics. Very rarely do they also have time for families. The ones that do, I've noticed, have stay at home dads doing the heavy lifting. It's not ideal. But I've also never met a young academic who has good health, mental or physical. They're all depressed or stressed in some way, as a rule.
Academics also function a lot like "a closed garden" where they refuse to listen to anything produced outside of it. It's not a discussion, it's a dialectic, and unless you're an accredited researcher in a specific field you are not allowed to read their studies beyond the abstract to review or criticise them.
If science is to be trustworthy it needs to be open and free, as long as we have the current system new ideas are gatekept out and wrong ideas can thrive for decades without ever being challenged.
@@-haclong2366 not only can the wrong ideas thrive for decades, eventually they start working heir way into the culture with an air of legitimacy because they’re considered scholarly.
@@-haclong2366 So interesting to see your last point because it reminded me of a quote that stuck out to me from an old movie I happened to watch last night- “A free science in the service of humanity can be the only good science.” That central part is key- in the service of humanity- it doesn’t work so well when it’s in the service of self, wealth, or power.
@@AudrinaOralay I would agree that I have not met a young academic who seemed relaxed, or generally happy. Would you say it’s because stressed and anxious people go into academics? Or there’s something about the academic work itself that makes people stressed?
I would lean toward the former, personally. I was watching another video recently, and they said graduate school is for people who fear failure.
There certainly might be something to that.
There are not very many entrepreneurial-minded academics. Generally, they are very “by the book”. Most of them had very good grades through high school, and pretty good grades in college. But in general, they are not the types of people to take risks.
I remember my father saying to my sister and I whilst growing up 'Never be left holding the baby because the man can always walk away.' I took that warning seriously. Today women are not having children because that risk is more real than ever. We live in a world where individual gain is all that matters, and children are seen as economic burdens. In many, or I would even say most cases that burden lands squarely on the shoulders of women. Nothing will change unless society considers the big picture. Who are we and what are we doing here because presently we are just economic units, working to maximise the profits of someone else. Women with children in our present economic system have a tough life and no-one seems prepared to recognise that. My daughters have three jobs, namely traditional employment, raising a family and also the lion share of housework. I am surprised they opted to have children at all. Enough of the Exploitation. The social contract is long broken. Solution, forget about continual growth, treasure everything we have, examine our values and change our economic system away from one where only the greediest survive.
Are you joking? They chase men down to the ends of the earth to force child support out of them, which is completely unaccountable to how the woman spends it. Children nowadays cam ne massive cash cows for women. They'll literally put a man in prison when he actually CAN'T pay, which is something we don't do for any other kind of debt or obligation. And that only makes it then harder for him to pay
What are you on about?
This guy can’t say “patriarchy” without adding on “oppressive” and then throws in Dark Ages as if all these terms belong together. Patriarchies aren’t automatically oppressive. And what does he consider the dark ages? I was raised in a large family with a traditional stay at home mother and a hard working father. We had a good healthy dinner together every evening. Clean clothes and a spotless house.y parents had 5 children. My mother was an outstanding homemaker and because she was so good at keeping order in the house, our weekends were entirely free to go out as a family, explore the world, go on road trips etc. If she hadn’t kept everything together, we’d have spent our weekends doing working around the house. My father was technically head of the family but my mother’s word was final. My father NEVER treated her as inferior in any way and she was no doormat. They were equal partners with different roles and I’d take that arrangement over what’s typical in families today.
The PATRIARCHY built this world. Literally. So don’t knock it. I’d take it over a matriarchy any day.
My mom did the same thing and was left jobless and almost homeless when my dad divorced her for a lady he met at work. Child support was based on his primary salary not his infrequent consulting work so it was very low and didn't even cover the bills. My dad is a good person and went against his lawyer's advice to pay off our home so that his children's mother wouldn't be homeless. Despite that, I chose to became a stay at home mom myself. I am completely at the mercy of my breadwinner spouse choosing not to dump me on the street one day. Becoming completely financially dependent on someone who is free to leave at any time for any reason just isn't a risk worth taking anymore.
@@aawillmaExactly, men just don't seem to have a grip on how vulnerable women are to them when they start families with them.
I know right. It's amazing how entrenched this notion of the patriarchy being oppressive is. Women in those days had much better lives than women today if people actually read books from those eras. Now, most women are stressed, burned out, unhappy, and often single and in a vicious struggle trying to get a long term relationship with an ever shrinking percentage of "eligible" men.
@Bar12425 No women didn't have it better back then. They were beholden to their husbands and he could do whatever he wanted,like beat, cheat,etc. and she would have no recourse.
My grandmother was given an allowance by her husband. Do you know how humiliating that is for a grown ass adult to be given an allowance?
There's no way that men would put up with being treated the way that they've treated women for centuries.
Romanticizing absolute dependence on a person who simply chose not to abuse his power isn‘t really convincing.
Let the dad find more interest in his young secretary or deciding he prefers to spend mit if his money on a new hobby - the romance stops immediately.
Issue is that men and women don’t need each other as much as they used to .
A perception of not needing, because we've engineered each other apart. But yes, I agree too.
I believe they need each other more than ever and do not see it.
We need each other. Everyone is getting more miserable these days "not needing each other"... population collapse, depression, health decline ... the family unit being broken has allowed this to fester.
@@VisionaryStorytelling Yes perception of need but end result ending up horribly seems accurate.
I agree
Marriage is not a necessity anymore
how are "involuntarily single women" misogynistic? LOL It's Sour grapes, because they've long thrown around "Incel" as an insult to men who can't find a woman, and that has now bounced back on them (and the closeness of the comparison makes them uncomfortable).
The ironic thing is, thanks to Briffault's Law, they can not be involuntary by logic. As they decide the conditions of mating and dating.
I watched a documentary on actual incels who identify as that
I didn't know it was an actual thing. But it was those guys who had the weirdest most toxic view towards women blaming them for everything. I don't think someone who is just lonely deserves to be called an incel. But real incels are dangerously weird is what I took from that documentary
@JoweI-d4v Being an "incel" is not about what anyone "deserves".
It's also different because they aren't "involuntary". These women have nearly limitless options for willing mates, they just view themselves as too good for them. The dating crisis is entirely driven by bad economics holding men back, and women having unreasonable standards for mates, and this has been objectively proven on many occasions. Women view the average man as being obscenely unattractive while men view the average woman as average.
@@JoweI-d4vMaybe, those "toxic" incels became so toxic only due to a long history of being rejected by women, no matter how they behaved - rejected because of something they haven't chosen to be and can't change about themselves, such as their physical looks. This can be a very dehumanising experience for these man, because after some time they start reading these repeated rejections as the following message: "you're not a human being, you're not even eligible for mating within human species". Their bitterness is then made even worse by the awareness that the traits because of which they are rejected by women have got noting to do with their real quality as potential mates, because the whole business of dating and mating is (from nature's point of view) about becoming fathers and mothers, and there's no reason whatsoever why a short balding guy should be less qualified to be a good father than a "tall, dark and handsome" guy.
Half way through, but I'm grateful someone is willing to mention the concept of involuntarily single women! I wanted a big family. I'm 31 now, life's different, I'd be happy with one child.
I appreciate the discussion so far, and the reinforcement that individuals should be able to make their own choices, and that women not HAVING to rely on partnership to survive is a good development for society.
Everyone knows the reason. All this pseudo-intellectual talk just avoids the problem. We need to start being honest
Well, spill it!
@@thinkbig5438😂
@@thinkbig5438 It will get auto deleted by bots.
@thinkbig5438 it's not a male problem
@@JF-xm6tu and there I was and thinking it took two to tango.
So, we established who is to blame. That was easy. Now, how do we solve it?
What kind of society do we have to move towards to get people to want to have kids? That is the big question. Our society is not play oriented, it’s way too serious, Work oriented, depressing, lacking in fun. There’s no time for play, creativity, and having fun. You have to work in order to support a lifestyle. Unless you have a stay at home parent, kids demand a lot of time. People without a comfortable financial status are too stressed to take on kids on top of everything else.
As long as native populations are not replaced with migration, this problem fixes itself. Natural selection increases the frequency of traits (cultural and genetic) that makes both men and women want and make children in the current environment. It also makes it easier as goods such as housing become more abundant and thus cheaper as the population decreases.
UK here - if you and your missus can barely make the rent, then you're unlikely to procreate. That is what is happening around our way - the rental market is ridiculously overpriced and undersupplied. Also, poverty is a massive indicator of poor health, mental health and educational outcomes - this isn't news, so why would you bring children into that? We live in an era of 'maximise this', 'optimise that' and everyone is trying to squeeze the pips out of everyone else to make bank. In this situation is it any wonder that people aren't breeding? The west needs to rediscover the concept of 'enough', both consumers and businesses. You reap what you sow.
Two things come to mind for me:
I think in the past, in many traditional societies, the expectation was, that the man would be physically attracted to his wife, and not the other way around. The idea was that women would do their "wife duties", and hope she married a kind man who loved her and treated her with respect, and maybe, eventually she would grow to find him attractive over time. I feel we don't talk about this directly enough, but rather dance around it saying, "women had little choice in the past as they had to be dependant on a man for social and sometimes physical safety." Also, the expectation was that they would reproduce legitimate children to keep the family lineage going, but men of means could, and probably would produce illegitimate children as well. So, the "good ole days" of procreation were not as "rosey" as we romanticize.
And secondly, it is true that the smaller the pool of people to choose from, less picky a person is about beauty standards for mate selection. So, the advent of the internet and seeing the most beautiful people as an "option" has definitely adjusted everyone's ability to see common features as beautiful.
IIRC a study made a point that historically about 80% women have left offspring and only about 40% of men
I got married at 24, and had three kids by the time I was 36- they are without a doubt the best thing that has ever happened in my life. They are closing schools in my city because of the shrinking student population, and the move towards charter and home schooling. As far as I can tell people are self selecting out of the gene pool and the only people having kids are more conservative and religious.... demographics are destiny.
Yup, all nations need to have that religious conservative core to survive. Without that, you can never get higher birth rates as people will never want to have more children.
When we had our 4th (final) kid my wife was welcomed into the evangelical group of mothers at our kid's school. She was more of an atheist than me.
I'd disagree with the notion of "self-selecting". For a lot of people, men and women alike, the reality is that by the time they get their priorities right, it's already over. Not sure how it works for women, but for men the ability to commit decreases with each disappointment. You can only put all of your heart into a relationship so many times before you get cynical and start holding back just for the sake of self-preservation.
You can only do the right thing if you are raised into knowing what that is.
My youngest son has to go to a merged class because the school had to merge classes due to other schools closing. The few schools that stay open have larger classrooms.
Basic economics, increase supply and the price decreases. The labour market supply has virtually doubled so the prices have relatively decreased. Now it takes two incomes to buy a house, pay the rent, have a family. Men and women likely see it as hard to have a family when both parents have to work.
Some reasons to not have children: Full time parents( especially the mother) are ranked low status. Children are a lifetime debt obligation, one that no government can afford to adequately compensate. Government policies change, the child remains. Raising children is stressful and hard work. Careers suffer, self fulfillment is put on the shelf. Divorce is frequent, suddenly you are a single with children.
Society needs children but society cannot raise them. Either a hugely improved attitude must come from society, one involving proper security (financial and emotional) and respect. This is probably a hopeless ask. If desperate society is likely to resort to its old tactics, force and brainwashing. Women know this well. Mads appears to be desperate, thus the cancelling and fear.
I dont think that Mr. Larsen quite understands how change happens. You can not do deep research and see a catastrophic issue, then agree 100% that nothing needs to change "on an individual level." Thats not how you get anything done. Mans is pointing at a hole but then dancing around it by saying the hole is just fine. Though he states " well if we do nothing we will simply die out." then in the next breath " dont do anything about it." You want to talk about the elephant in the room? feminism is bad for birth rate. *slow claps* Thats already been rather well documented. Nobody is really guessing about it unless you are a feminist. Thats only because you want to find a way to blame a man for it. Then in the next breath state that men have no choice over what you do with your body, yet birth rate is a man problem, yet you control the gateway to sex. Oh wait thats the same Useless circular logic.
Dude I was so frustrated listening to this guy tiptoe around the real issues. Like just admit some liberal ideas are bad and should be removed from the conversation.
I think he is dancing around it because of the hate he got previously.
Excellent put! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🤝🏼🎯
Don't p!ss your pants.. population still going up.. well apart from western population 😂
@ not just west , China and South Korea
Two things:
A. Women are not interested in men.
B. Even less interested in having children.
I know not why all the dancing around the subject. It's blatantly obvious to me.
👏🏾 yep and know we wait
@flemutter7211 I would not go even that far.
What we are experiencing is not a case of women hating men.
Simply put, they Do Not Care.
Three little words, that's it, mystery solved.
If a man doesn’t trust/love me enough to marry me I’m not giving him children. Very simple equation for me personally. I spent many years caring for men to no avail, now I mainly feel indifferent towards them and find I am much happier being single. I never craved motherhood at all so born in another time I might well have been a nun.
@@LadyMarigoldWithersmarriage laws suck so fix that and more men will want to get married.
For good reason
We must talk about (and mock) involuntarily single men, a.k.a. "Incels" but it is social crime to discuss involuntarily single womyn?! Where's the honesty of science? What became of equality?
equality is a myth... practically, there aren't incel females.
We all need to stand up to toxic feminists and activists. Otherwise, nothing will change.
Well nowadays science says men can get pregnant. Hell Neil degrasse Tyson couldn't even agree with bill maher the other day that a men's NBA team only beats wbna because of societal standards, not because men are bigger, faster, stronger.This gynocentric societal view of be nice instead of say the truth is causing society to crumble.
As a gamer and a programmer, having kids is the worst decision that I won't ever decide in the future
Lul wot?
as a gamer and a programmer having kids is an easy decision. Programming allows me to work from home, the pay is good, no stay at home wife or wasting money on daycares. And i can share all my favorite childhood games and play together.
The biggest problem is how are "they" going to convince us that ressources are scarce as population declines?
It definitely works. Look at the comments from all these ‘based’ people. They still blame abstractions like ‘money’ instead of just admitting that vvomen don’t want kids or husbands.
@@AustrianPainter14 Vvomen wants kids, just not with "brokies".
Most households were much poorer and living standards were worse 100 years ago, yet we have people blaming todays economy even though we have government assistance and women have earning potential as well which was not the case 100 years ago.
Its clear to me that the sexual liberation of women, the decline in religion and communities as well as hookup culture which makes women unable to pair bond has caused this problem.
Owned by few and called reserves/sanctuaries/ habitats.
@@BoothsGalore7 Bingo. Sometimes I am afraid that I will be alone in the comment sections explaining this incredibly simple thing that people just refuse to understand. The truth is that our modern society was never sustainable
Something I've found is that those women who want long term relationships are in them and the single women today do not want relationships, regardless of circumstance or background - unless he his top tier in looks, status and money. They want lifestyle sponsors for attention, validation, experiences and money. This leaves a lot of men out of the dating market and is likely one of the causes of both the loneliness epidemic and declining birth rates (lets see if UA-cam shadowbans or deletes this comment).
This isn’t a viable strategy. Russia and Ukraine don’t have the best soldiers because they don’t have that luxury, they conscript men
So 😅
Yep, but ancient men already *KNEW* this:
_Unwin also stated "In the past, too, the greatest energy has been displayed only by those societies which have reduced their sexual opportunity to a minimum by the adoption of absolute monogamy (para. 168). _*_In every case the women and children were reduced to the level of legal nonentities, sometimes also to the level of chattels, always to the level of mere appendages of the male estate._*_ Eventually they were freed from their disadvantages, but at the same time the sexual opportunity of the society was extended. Sexual desires could then be satisfied in a direct or perverted manner... _*_So the energy of the society decreased, and then disappeared."_*_ He points out that "No society has yet to succeeded in regulating the relations between the sexes in such a Way as to enable sexual opportunity to remain at a minimum for an extended period." - _*_and thus all societies have collapsed._*
- J. D. Unwin, _Sex and Culture_ circa 1930s 💊
_"If each of us, citizens, had determined to assert his rights and dignity as a husband with respect to his own spouse, we should have less trouble with the sex as a whole; as it is, our liberty, destroyed at home by female violence, even here in the Forum is crushed and trodden underfoot, and because we have not kept them individually under control, we dread them collectively. But from no class is there not the greatest danger if you permit them meetings and gatherings and secret consultations."_
_"Our ancestors permitted no woman to conduct even personal business without a guardian to intervene in her behalf; they wished them to be under the control of fathers, brothers, husbands; we (Heaven help us!) allow them now even to interfere in public affairs, yes, and to visit the Forum and our informal and formal sessions. What else are they doing now on the streets and at the corners except urging the bill of the tribunes and voting for the repeal of the law?"_
_"Give loose rein to their uncontrollable nature and to this untamed creature and expect that they will themselves set no bounds to their license. Unless you act, this is the least of the things enjoined upon women by custom or law and to which they submit with a feeling of injustice. It is complete liberty or rather, if we wish to speak the truth, complete license that they desire."_
_"If they win in this, what will they not attempt? Review all the laws with which your forefathers restrained their license and made them subject to their husbands; even with all these bonds you can scarcely control them. What of this? If you suffer them to seize these bonds one by one and wrench themselves free and finally to be placed on a parity with their husbands, do you think you will be able to endure them? The moment they begin to be your equals, they will be your superiors."_
_"Now they publicly address other women’s husbands, and, what is more serious, they beg for a law and votes, and from various men they get what they ask. In matters affecting yourself, your property, your children, you, Sir, can be importuned; once the law has ceased to set a limit to your wife’s expenditures you will never set it yourself. Do not think, citizens, that the situation which existed before the law was passed will ever return."_
- *Cato the Elder* , over *2,000* years ago 💊
@@DTreatz This Cato guy was incredibly based
I think much of the dating crisis comes down to this: The sexes objectify each other as commodities. Dating sites, porn, & the birth control pill all contribute. And a moral & even spiritual renewal is actually needed to change the "use and abuse" dynamic, and develop the virtues needed to attract a long-term mate.
I agree. Developing the virtues is so important. Modern society as a whole doesn’t value virtue or even understand what it is.
As a woman in her 40's, let me make this quite clear: Most of us are not going to pop out 2 or 3 babies at this age, especially if we haven't already started creating our own football team. Modern fertility treatments can do a lot, but it's not magic, and it won't make it easier to deal with the demands of an infant once it is born.
Best to have babies before you are 30.... Surely every woman knows that.
I was listening to this on my morning run and had to come back to comment. I was talking to my wife and told her how the Norwegian government expects birth rates to pick up by 40 year old women and she said exactly what I was thinking. "No it's not!" 40 year old women aren't going to give up their freedom to start having kids. People get set in their ways. What's funny to me is that if society collapses it's going to go back to the way it was in the early agricultural era. I don't see how female autonomy will exist in a post modern society world. Modern jobs exists due to our large populations.
Personally I'd start changing the laws today. I'd remove all tax based elder care programs for individuals who do not have at least 2 children. The reason being it's the children who pay those taxes. I'd funnel as much of the federal budgets as I could into incentivizing low cost starter homes, free child health care, and pre-k. I'd probably end schooling at the 9th grade again, and make high school a bigger blend of trade programs and loose academic learning. You could still have academic focused high schools, but it would be for college bound kids to get useful degrees. Lastly I'd try to encourage the rebuilding of 3rd places with an emphasis on 18 to 25 year olds to couple.
I'll come out and say what he hints at but doesn't quite say. Throughout human history, women never actually wanted or liked most men (yes I know there were always gigachads), they just needed the resources men provided. When countries give women the right to decide whether or not to have children, they generally choose not to. There's nothing wrong with that, it's their choice and we can't make them like us. Men and society just have to accept that reality. Creating new ways for women to meet average men isn't going to make them attracted to those men.
It works the other way too. Men often don't want women older than mid 20s.
That's such a grim assessment but I'm not sure it's wrong. I think modern culture has really exacerbated this, and Christian culture mitigated this. Also, I don't want a young trophy wife, I want an intelligent companion who treats me like a human being and has family aspirations. Materialism and nihilism are the fault here. And it suggests you have to culturally cultivate love and family.
There’s nothing wrong with that? They violated the social contract. That ahould not be allowed to vote men into war.
tarquin161234
Absolutely untrue. We get stuck with them if we’re lucky,
women are natures eugenicists, we're just doing our job. Every few centuries womanity does a genetic cull like this.
Your guest hit the nail on the head at 56mins. Too much gov, lack of agency for men.
Women have pair bonded with the state.
Brides of the State
The state and *Chads*
_Unwin also stated "In the past, too, the greatest energy has been displayed only by those societies which have reduced their sexual opportunity to a minimum by the adoption of absolute monogamy (para. 168). _*_In every case the women and children were reduced to the level of legal nonentities, sometimes also to the level of chattels, always to the level of mere appendages of the male estate._*_ Eventually they were freed from their disadvantages, but at the same time the sexual opportunity of the society was extended. Sexual desires could then be satisfied in a direct or perverted manner... _*_So the energy of the society decreased, and then disappeared."_*_ He points out that "No society has yet to succeeded in regulating the relations between the sexes in such a Way as to enable sexual opportunity to remain at a minimum for an extended period." - _*_and thus all societies have collapsed._*
- J. D. Unwin, _Sex and Culture_ circa 1930s 💊
With the state, university profs, feminism, and each other. It's a mess.
Yo, that resonates clearly.
I used a strategy to get married. I dated multiple men at once, was upfront of dating multiple people, refused to have sex before marriage, was upfront about wanting marriage. Lots of guys wanted one night stands. Once they found out I wasn't doing one night stands, they generally refused to call me back. I used this method to avoid the stepping stone girl trap- where a girl dates a guy for 10 years before finding out he was leading her on. Despite using this logical and mathematically sound strategy- I still didn't get married until I was in my 30s. A large portion of guys asking me out- were not interested in marriage.
There is a huge pool of guys out there that just want one night stands. It is really hard to go through that haystack to find a guy who wants more. Lots of guys will lie if they think it will get you into bed with them.
I don't think the issue is just that women are picky. A very large percentage of men out there just want sex and are willing to lie and manipulate to get it. This makes it very hard to find the good men out there.
I also think that most men are chasing the top 1/3 of all women and have little interest in 2/3s of women. We live in a really demanding environment, which pushes up the standards for both men and women. However, due to health issues, politics, and economic issues, quality has decreased and we are all being dragged down. Double whammy.
Its a hard world out there peeps.
Great comment, I thought the same while listening to this video!
You are exactly right, this is a huge factor as well.
It's younger men that are having less sex. Women are doing fine. What does that say?
For a lot of us ladies no s3x is doing fine. Most women repot rarely even climaxing in bed with a man but we can on out own with self stim or toys. Why risk disease and pregnancy for no reward?
Women’s sex rate has decreased too - the study that showed 28% of men as sexless also showed women at 18% sexless
Women share the good looking men while most men are having no sex.
@@MrDezossaExactly once courting and marriage were off the table or delayed until like age 40...women are sharing the best of the men whether they understand this or not. I'm celibate...like 99% celibate. I sit back and watch the show as meaningless sex is not appealing to me. I've actually avoided the extra good looking men because I know he's for the streets he can't help himself to be that darn attractive 6'1 in shape, handsome...no thank you😂
@jacquelynn2051 always about the height isn't it? All that matters is long leg bones apparently..
It is gonna get worse. Im 34 and most of my friends, myself included, definately won't be having children. The rest have an average of 2 kids (both have with multiple women which means visitation and custody battles) which they can barely afford. My family name and my mothers family name will probably completely gone within my life time. I dont have many male cousins, seeing as how we lost one to drug OD/ suicide. My grandpa came from a family of 7, my father came from a family of 6, myself from a family of 4 and then "Kerplunk!" 0 for me so yah. Not lookin good. I cant afford kids or the 2-3 divorces required to get a keeper these days.
Isn't it worth risking a divorce or out of wedlock birth to keep your family line going? I come from a completely different setting than you, so I'm trying to understand the rationale behind this resignation.
Go the passport bro route.
@@julius43461 How? My job is in Europe. I can't just fly over to the east for a few months in the hope of picking someone up.
@@tarquin161234 Start working remotely, or just chat with someone till you can take a 2-3 week vacation.
I know, not ideal, but I'm just throwing some suggestions out there.
Just think of all those many thousands or hundreds of thousands of ancestors we have that had children that led to us and so many of those lines end right now or with the next generation.
We've devalued our offspring in order to have more freedom for adults. Abortion, BC, sexual hedonism.
We've lost meaning, which makes any sacrifice or suffering intolerable.
Deep
The moment a scientist starts talking about net zero, their credibility decreases by 10x.
Their credibility goes to net zero
@@Richard_Albrecht 😂
He believes in climate magic✨
Refocus on creating and maintaining our sense of community and connection to one another would go a long way to reversing our fertility decline. Serving one another, looking after eachother. Having our "tribes". Such an environment of support and love naturally encourages the desire for children to add to the community.
This patriarchy talk is very unfocussed. What is actually being referred to? How were women oppressed? And who by?
By the Illuminati, obviously. Oh wait, they call it "the patriarchy", just another baseless conspiracy theory. 🙃
They weren’t allowed to go to war, and were allowed to escape the sinking ship with the children, so oppressed!
It's not about mating singles to each other.
I believe it should be addressing "why people that want to have more children don't have them?"
It’s amazing how many people gave me shit for having five children, but like painting the walls in my kitchen, black and living happily in a positive coparenting relationship with my ex-husband-I am ahead of the curve. Fuck off haters.
What did they say?
The judgement is real.
The most important work is more difficult than they know.
Love black walls.
Solidarity ❤
I raised four and was made to feel selfish, told I was irresponsible, many awful comments over the years. We are middle class with regular ups and downs. But the only way through tough times is with family.
@@AustrianPainter14lots of comments about how I’m wasting my education, they (the kids) will be a burden on the “system” (likely from someone who doesn’t realize that the “system” they’re so worried about is dependent on more income-earners to keep it operational). LOTS of negative feedback from strangers in public spaces about my apparent lack of either self-control, understanding of the mechanisms of reproduction, or hobbies. Some folks suggested that I might be having babies bc I need to feel needed or loved, or maybe I’m too competitive and was having kids for spiteful reasons.
Countless “you should get a tv in your bedroom ha ha ha” comments, which I looked forward to because I had the sassy comeback of “We do! It’s great to watch porn on the big screen.” 😂😂😂
@@sarahahmad9891Black walls are great. Now I’m painting my LR ceiling a deep purple, aubergine. The room feels so cozy and inviting now. The perfect spot to have good conversations. I Highly recommended painting ceilings something other than flat white if possible
Everyone mentions money, but the poorest countries have always had the highest birthrates.
Not anymore. The developing world has lower birthrates
@@AustrianPainter14 lower than what it was, but still way more than 1st world nations
Psmitty97
I’m an expert on this stuff, you aren’t. Thailand has the lowest birthrate in the world. I’m in Latin America right now. Colombia, Brazil, Chile, Argentina, Costa Rica and Cuba have lower birthrates than America. There no kids anywhere. Try and keep up.
The cost of having children is much higher in developed countries, so the opportunity cost is higher
@@AustrianPainter14 as an expert, please present the data on the birth rates of South Korea vs Thailand, and state your source. This should not be a challenge for any expert.
Sincerely,
Your captive audience.
As a man in my early 30s, women are not my number 1 priority. Focusing on my self is. Working out, eating healthy, making money and doing what I enjoy gives me the ultimate peace.
Cope. You guys need to be honest with yourself. You just aren’t a commodity to them.
What's the point of all that if you aren't passing on your genetics? Serious question
@@AustrianPainter14 cope? I’m a pretty decent looking guy. I can have a woman if I wanted to. But women cost money and stress. I enjoy being able to live freely. I don’t have to answer to anyone.
@@daalmightpanda as a woman, I get your view. Relationships are super high maintenance and cost a lot of energy. I’m also focusing more on myself and on my family. Being an introvert could explain this as well
I think there are plenty of guys like you and I understand why. It's scary out there, and social media made it worse. It goes both ways too. Men think women are dispensable or just not worth it, and women think the same about men. Different times from when I was that age. So many horror stories in relationships now.
46:58 Damn, this guy would watch his entire country and culture go extinct as long as he isn't called a misogynist.
Wait until you see what he'd sacrifice to avoid being called racist
He is just playing the long game. Right now they don't have a solution and need more research.
Survival of the most adaptable, always been true, always will be…..
The elephant in the room is that our culture has gone a self destructive direction which is antagonistic to our evolutionary build-up. There will be a reset.
Hopefully we’ll move back to a truth based society instead of an idiot based one.
So are new cars
Get rid of political parties! Only accept ideas and solutions. No more extremes that make everyone pull their hair out.
@@SaddleRockManitou why in America only one Political Party is advocating for things that will destroy society if left unchecked. The other side might be forcing their beliefs but there policies are all beneficial to children and society. Our problem isn't the parties anymore it's the people being f*cking dumb. We read at a 4th grade level and average education is 8th
Make the patriarchy great again
@AustrianPainter14 This is the culmination of "Patriarchy".
We will find a better way to exist.
Another great podcast and an important topic. Family is the fabric of society.
I think it’s really sad for genetic lines to end unnecessarily.
One factor that wasn’t mentioned was arrested development/prolonged adolescence.
People doing recreational drugs and fooling around like 20 year olds until they’re 40+.
I’m 39 and an “insing” and “incel” for a variety of reasons too long to list.
Some men think it would be amazing to get propositioned all the time. I explain it to them like this…
“Have you ever met a woman you’re not attracted to? Or a woman who makes you cringe?” They’ll always say “yes,” and then I say, “Now imagine women like that are coming up to you every day.” Then they get it.
It’s not at all fun to be approached by men you’re not interested in.
What’s worse is men you are interested in who only want to use you for your body in exchange for nothing or “free” drinks and food.
If I’m not easy, plenty of other women will be, so if he’s not looking to start a family or he’s not financially prepared to, he’ll likely go where it’s easy.
For this reason, a lot of modern dating is basically free or cheap prostitution on the women’s part.
Feminists sell it as liberation, but it’s self-destruction. I’d much prefer to be an “incel-insing,” than a disposable woman.
40-50% of pregnancies in the west are unplanned, so playing the minefield will result in children for some women, but likely not result in a healthy two parent family.
As an intentional person who wants the best for my unborn, playing father and family roulette is frightening.
Friends say, “You know you could have a baby on your own.” Even my therapist asked if I would as if that’s normal! It’s not and shouldn’t be.
Recently, a father of 4 argued with me that fathers are not important until he realised how stupid his argument was and stopped.
The world’s brainwashed.
The best healthiest thing for children is a stable two parent home protected by the legal bind of marriage.
As an ex-teacher of 8 years, I observed that the children from two parent homes with one invested stay-at-home parent achieved the best results at school. I want the best for my unborn.
Solutions?
Solutions could involve better tax breaks for first home buyers. A man with a house is a more attractive proposition. A woman in a secured home feels safer to start a family.
I know many men complain about female hypergamy but would you want your daughter to partner with a financially insecure man? That’s unsafe, even a dunce could do that math.
Government funded free-to-use dating apps e.g. apps that are not driven by profit to keep people on for eternity, but rather want people to match.
Ending remote work. 33% of people meet at work, but not in a remote world. I forfeited remote work in part for this reason.
Environmental awareness. It’s wise of women to avoid female dominated sectors, or if you choose teaching, nursing etc., then be conscious to make an effort to meet men after hours before it’s too late. 8 years teaching, nothing but married men, flowery men and PE teachers.
Event connection. I went to Chris’s event in Melbourne recently. That room of 2,000 could’ve potentially had some decent single men in it. It would help if eligible interested people could tick a box post-event, then their profile could be visible to all the other eligible people. Starting out via a shared interest makes it more likely that values will align for greater compatibility.
Lastly, teach people how to flirt and be flirted with, and how to select a safe available partner as early as possible e.g. the last year of high school. Critical life skills likely very lost on a device-first post-Covid cohort.
According to the PEW Research Center the main reason people without out kids don't have kids is simply because they don't want any (a hair over 50% cited this reason).
Yep. The cat is out of the bag across the entire gddam world. Having children SUCKS. Physically, mentally, financially, socially. Why did people used to have so many kids? Partially because it was worth it, but mostly BECAUSE THEY DIDNT HAVE A CHOICE. You have to make the sacrifice of having children worth it but every society instead seems intent on punishing all but the poorest parents. I wanted 3 kids, I could only manage one. I could make the finances work but mentally it was awful. Humans aren't meant to raise children in nuclear families.
Of course. Even the stat the guy mentioned "Norwegians wanting 2.4 kids" is actually catastrophic. When people say how many kids they want, they usually mean how much they would have in the IDEAL conditions. However, ideal conditions almost never materialize, so it is not hard to understand why their rate is 1.4 instead.
Soto saying ‘people.’
It’s women who don’t want kids.
@@AustrianPainter14 They polled both men and women
No people, no human life on planet earth, it’s something our ancestors understood instinctually, unfortunately we are so “intelligent” we are about to go extinct….
The most annoying aspect of this subject is the black box term of fertility rates. It has been inferred for years that it is a biological issue, chemicals in the environment, hormones,... Now it is social?
When everything is absurdly expensive it makes me not even want to try and possibly just leave the country at some point. Enough is enough.
Stop blaming everything on money. Switzerland is wealthy yet has below replacement level fertility. Thailand is very poor and even lower.
I agree with the other comment. Money is an issue but t not THAT big. I say government could be handing out houses to everyone and it would not make a real difference when it comes to birthrates. The issue goes much deeper.
America is a gulag slave state. I did leave over 10 years ago and life is better overseas for sure. Better women too.
I just don't understand how billions of people throughout human history have done it with much less and almost no resources...why it can't be done today?
@@emilyk.5664 The capitalist system, the modern economy, is a machine engineered to take human babies and extract maximum resources from them. American property taxes are insanely high and FORCE productivity, not to mention most people have a mortgage....a big one.
This guy's belief that the accusations of far-right, handmaidens and reproductive rights bashing of his point will go away just proves you can't be clever in all areas.
Funny enough they never mention economics. America for example, no maternity leave. I have a friend working in a multinational american company but living in Europe just had her first child, talking to an american based girl. Both in the same company. The american girl said to my friend "my partner and myself can't afford kids" both having well paid jobs. But my friend had a year maternity leave.
But no, let's blame women cause they are too picky. Never mention men are still not putting the same amount of work women do at home even tho both have jobs.
Norway has maternity leave and gives financial aid per child. No government has seen success at reversing fertility collapse by throwing money at it so far. This is primarily an issue of culture.
Yah most of history no one had mat leave, people still had kids. I look at the tax burden here in canada, where we have mat leave. A person in my tax bracket pays 15 to 20 percent less tax in the us, damn near what mat leave would pay.
As for men not helping at home. how many women are mowing the lawn, building decks, sheds, shoveling 2 ft of snow. Fixing the car, repairing plumbing or electrical. Me and my dad wheelbarrowed 10 yards of sand the other day, how much do you think my mom helped move, oh yeah none. Its amazing how much women will ignore to air out their weak griviences.
Yes there is family medical leave in the US. Just not paid leave.
In the USA women have to accumulate all vacation and sick days and sometimes short term disability, etc. just to have 4-6 months of total time to stay with their newborns. Some companies started giving "paternity leaves" of up to 2 months now too, but i wish they would just add some time to women. When i used to watch American movies and there were these women who were taken to hospital directly from work meetings, etc. i always thought "How can they be so career oriented, why can't they spend a month at home, to prepare mentally for a new baby and to take care of their health". I did not know that poor American women can't afford this. They have to work almost to the very last day only to have some more time after the delivery. This has to change.
@_Diana_S your basing real life off of a movie. Also I've never seen a movie where this happens, which ones are you talking about?
"good enough"
1. Yacht (at least 100ft)
2. Mansion (at least 5 bedrooms)
3. Private jet (at least $2m)
4. Supercar (at least $1m)
5. Wedding (at least $3m)
6. Savings (at least $5m)
7. Publicly known business (at least $5m turnover)
8. No fault divorce in case I change my mind 4 months after marriage (50% drawdown)
9. Large family to shame and blackmail in case i don't get my way
10. Non-enforcable prenup
Men seem very concerned about this. Go out and adopt some kids if you’re that bothered about children. People don’t give a shit today. And that’s the bottom line. There is rugged individualism and many people are just trying to survive and keep their heads above water. Being pushed into poverty or into the food bank etc., isn’t high on the agenda so the responsible thing is to just manage your life and I think that’s what most people are trying to do!
Throughout history cities have always struggled to self replicate without migration. Its no surprise with such high levels of urbanization that whole countries are now struggling to self replicate. Sure, there are social aspects of the modern world that are most likely accelerating the process, but this is not a new phenomenon: cities can't replicate, the worlds climate changes, humans fight wars and continents collide. Life go's on.
My one cart of groceries for 2 adults was $858. And through Amazon I stocked up on 3 months of formula and that costed me $679. They’re lucky I procreated at all. 😢
How long does 858 in groceries last? 😮
@ for the record I knew it was going to come out between $300-$400, I stock up on meat every now and then. but was absolutely flabbergasted when the ending price came up. I wanted to cry. And there were so many people behind me and I felt embarrassed putting anything back, so when I got home I vowed to go as long as possible without grocery shopping. It’s been 4 weeks and I’m about to run out of meat and have been eating canned vegetables I bought a year ago this week. At this point it feels like a challenge and I wanna see if I can go another 4. I haven’t necessarily ran out of food but what I have left are ultra processed
@@rheannagold6620 skip formula, breastfeed. Eat more beans and rice if you must.
@@jsbrads1Not every woman can breastfeed.
This man is an inspiration. Willing to take the abuse to have the conversation started is next level Chad.
We have six kids, my husband and I both wanted to have a big family. The hardest part is honestly the judgment from other people. Our kids are all healthy and normal with no behavioral issues but bringing them all out of the house together gets literal glares and rude comments from people (some are kind) almost like disgust from the majority of people. It’s a different world than when I was a kid.
Your husband is a lucky man.
6 is awesome! That's so weird they throw you shade. I guess they are part jealous, and other part in a death cult that demands they sacrifice their bloodlines to Baal. Ugh.
@55:36 That's the fix in a nutshell stop the state stealing 1.2 Million from every man and handing it to each women and men could provide that money directly to a women to be the husband provider.
Yep. Although it might cause some women to not trust men anyway and try to earn it themselves, I'm sure the majority can't keep up with men and will indeed go with the flow and marry the now more attractive men
"Involuntary single women" - misogynistic.
"Incels" - fair social criticism, literally terrorists.
If you factor in, that those women having children have the same amount on average as always. It´s just, the number of women not having kids increased a lot. I think there is only one reason : more information>more confusion>more anxiety>less kids.