I don't see anything wrong in how brutal Kösem was in this point of the series. Osman wasn't her son. But she raised him as her own. Their relation wasn't like that of Hürrem Sultan and Mustafa. Osman called Kösem Valide. Osman even killed Kösem's biological son. Even then Kösem didn't stop loving Osman as her own son. And she took revenge for his death in the most possible brutal way. ❤
I remember one episode in season two when Kosem tells Bayezeid how he used to call her mother when he was a little boy and how she loved it when he did that.
One thing I really like about Magnificent Century is how the characters grow. They had to become the apex predator in order to survive. It's not about being good or bad. It's about survival for them and their children.
Life happens - it's still the same everywhere kill or be killed. Winners write the history - will Jesus Christ be the winner as per this formula?😮 Saints are martyrs not politicians. 😅😅
They all deserved it. She was patient enough, but when they abused that, she simply took care of them. Really, it's like watching The Godfather. The last scene gives me goosebumps.
You can see the monster Kosem becomes by the end of season 1. So people who say she becomes evil in the second season have poor judgement. She earned it. She was ready for any consequences for power, she understood it's only the survival of the fittest and history doesn't remember the weak. She was truly magnificent in a male dominated history. Cruelty coming from a woman was not a norm, she was truly exceptional.
@@mohaaanshuur8371 43:26 Кесем Султан была Великолепна и Сильна за весь сериал, зря Сафие думала, что вот так просто убьет ее, совершенно позабыв о том, что это Опасные Игры с Огнем, которые будут Чреваты Смертью всех, Вставших у нее на пути Конкурентов! 😉😁💪👊💀☠️
@@mohaaanshuur8371 she was exceptional for a male dominated society, only males are supposed to be rulers in Muslims empires. So she's one of exceptional cases. And anarchy and other mishaps happened within all empires throughout the world. Ottomans got weak right after the demise of Suleiman (with an exception of a few accomplishments later on), he didn't leave a competent heir to the throne. Kosem did really well despite her immature kids ruling.
@@Dawn-Songs definitely agree with you. The comment was with respect to leadership positions, usually male rulers are portrayed cruel but here the case was equally fair
This was by far one of the best episode of the show!!..Kosem made her enemies pay for what they did to her, her friends and her children!!..revenge at its finest!!
I am absolutely addicted to this show! It's like Vikings meets Serpent Queen! My husband is circassian adage and I think he will love this when I show him!
Kösem Sultan, Hürrem Sultan, Nurbanu Sultan, even Safiye Sultan were all victim of their circumstances. We can be critical all we want. But it was a eat or be eaten world at that time and they chose to survive and try to protect their loved ones. They were sweet and innocent 😇 girls at one point, abducted into slavery. They turned cunning to survive. If a woman trades her nurturing, maternal and cherishing self for a conniving, scheming and ambitious personality then she does it with great difficulty but she'll excel in that too.
That's what I keep trying to tell everyone who keeps saying that, oh, Kosem was a monster, etc., etc. For one thing, I'd like to see how they all fare in a world like the one that Kosem/Anastasia and several other Sultanas had to endure with its ruthless, hostile environment. It's just like you said, they may have been kind, caring and cherishing people once, but circumstances that were far out of their control forced them to either become ruthless and cunning or become the victim of someone else's cold, ruthless, and merciless ambitions. Yes, what they all did was horrible, that much is true, but who are we to say that we would have been any different if were all of a sudden so violently ripped away from our homes and our families and forced into such a cruel, unforgiving, and hostile place as they all had?
@@patrickmartin6449So it was okay as a woman to kidnap other women for their child or grand child when she suffered the same fate?? I know history is different and most women were brought to the palace as orphans or rescued from human trafficking and Wars etc. and it wasn't like American or European Slavery, Slaves usually used to be freed after some time when they got trust and even when they were slaves they used to be treated kindly and given education and had rights to participate in Politics, Army etc. but we are talking about series then tell me how it was okay for hurrem for attempting to kill Mustafa 3 times and successfully killed him after sacrificing her daughter and how it was okay for Mirhman to gift her nephew Safiya, She was human not a doll and she forgot, her mother was once a slave and victim of war and human trafficking. Safiya kidnapped both Kosem and her sister for Ahmet without his knowledge and killed her father. Nurbano killed Bayzaid wife because she was too lazy to set boundaries with her male servants and how Kosem treated Aysa and Ibrahim's first wife and son. There aren't always excuse to treat other people poorly. Kosem Gabe chance to Mustafa and halima but they betrayed her. So it wasn't the reason for survival but it was a game of power and the greed for power made them evil!? Only Tur was good and worth praising because she only focused on her son and even showed mercy on her stepsons.
Mustafa was doomed from the start. I feel so sorry for him. Ahmet swore never to kill him but others could have, so the fear remained so intense that he couldn't have a normal life. Just be a puppet for others. Sad.
Kosem, the most powerful and most influential Sultana who had no King but was a King herself. It's said that Hurram is nothing without Sultan Suleiman, but Kosem is everything without her King.
@@ibrahimkhan-st5isshe did everything she wanted. ..she was not a wedow like kosem ...hurrem established that sultanate on which all her succeders just sat...she showed the path..she was most influential Sultana..she made sultanas a power rather than just an object to produce kids ...hurrem is always respected mostly..she was not killed by her own soldiers..
@@manishamishra6770They were not “soldiers”. Nobody would dare to kill her, while SULTAN SULEIMAN was reigning. Those soldiers, were those of TURHAN SULTAN who sent them to kill her, what do you expect a 60 year old to do? Survive? Nobody could lay a finger on Hurrem because of Suleiman.
Exactly I felt the same. Poor sehzade suffered the most. Atleast in least merciful way they could've kixxx him with his mother. Locking him in dark cage for lifetime is worse than death. He suffered in mist cruel way.
Dilruba was madly in love with davut pasha and married to him and yet she was walking like so triumphantly in the corridors as if nothing happened, strange!!!!
@@afrahf9010 I don't think she's capable of feeling that pain. She'd have to really love someone for that to happen. She might've loved Mustafa enough but he outlives her.
Kosem realy did care for Mustafa and was not targeted and the end seen with her and Mustafa when he was older shows it,in real life however we do not know Halime daughters name for sure and both she and Halime survived and lived peacefully same with Mustafa and were not bad as shown here. As for Osman dispite what he did he did not deserve that kind of death he did
Thanks to all those ingrates who have taken advantage of Kosem’s original kindness, tender care and tolerance and repaid her back with a lot of pain, they have successfully created a power-hungry morally grey ruler that wouldn’t hesitate anymore to do anything to achieve her purpose and destroy anyone that could threatened her position, even shedding blood
it is visible on her face how worn out she is without the glow she had with Sultan Ahmed.... the things palace politics does, it is not different than physical wars😢 i mean if anyone lived in such cutthroat environment we wouldn't survive with all torture
This is not empowerment. Those Women were wives and Mothers of Sultan, that's why they were respected and supported by men. Men were Loyal to the Ottoman Blood, They can't simply ignore the power that were given By Sultan to the women. And ofcourse those women were educated and intelligent, otherwise harem is not a place for ignorance.
Historical points: Osman II was found by jannisarries and tortured ( he enraged them even more when he gave them money to try to escape) . Halime and Davud didn't handle the elimination of Osman well by parading him, torturing him and then killing him in a horrible way if they wanted to stay in power (besides Halime wanted to kill him initially in the mosque, Halime was an intelligent woman but whose judgment was clouded by anger and revenge). It caused chaos in the Ottoman Empire (like rebellion of Abaza Mehmed Pacha, one of the most competent Shah in history Shah Abbas took advantage of this chaos,etc...) which was not already in good shape . In addition, it forced her to sacrifice her vizier Davud and with it the last chances that her daughter's son could access the throne after Mustafa. However, unlike Kosem (at the end of her third regency) she was lucid enough to understand that she could no longer stay in power and accepted that Kosem's son would become Sultan if Mustafa survived (but let's not forget that unlike Kosem, Halime certainly no longer had any allies to keep her in power). It took years for Kosem and Murad to restore the Ottoman Empire (and yet they were effective leaders even if they had some questionable aspects as I have already said before). This practice of parading and torturing the "defeated person" was horrible (in the case of Osman and the queen Brunehilde who was tortured, paraded at age 60 without her clothes in front of all the soldiers, then killed in a horrible fashion dragged behind a excited horse) or even Arsinoe IV although she was not tortured (although I do not subscribe to the demonization of Cleopatra and to make a white pure Arsinoe we can have compassion for her)
Then what about sultan selim iii of Ottoman Empire he was also killed by the janissaries in 1808 like his ancestor sultan osman ii of Ottoman Empire, right 🇹🇷?
I enjoyed Sultana Kosem’s revenge I truly did. I only feel sad and heartbroken for Prince Mustafa. He could have had a great life if it wasn’t for his mother and sister ambitions and snake ways. When he’s older he talks to Sultan Murad and believes his mother and sister are alive, they just choose not to visit him. My Sultana mother doesn’t visit me. How heartbreaking 💔 for him. Victim since childhood up to his death.
sad thing is Hurrem's ring was a symbol of her love, but everyone especially Nurbanu believed it to be a symbol of the power she got. and because of that they tainted the ring.
Hürrem always had Suleyman's authority behind her. Hürrem was always known to be his subordinate. She might've been like strong muscle, but her husband was the spine holding it up. Kösem was the other way around. SHE was the backbone, the authority. The male Sultans were her muscles.
@@weaviejeebies this was a result of abmert early death,if suileman die early hurrem will have no choice but to fight more of her battle,but her unseal love was what make suleman to last longer,love❤
Totally agree. Hurrem and Suleiman had a better connection. We know Ahmet was a bit of a player. But when it comes to strength, kosem undoubtedly is ahead. She took regent, typically a man's role, without a man by her side. People say hurrem would survive without suleiman but no. Kosem was a merciful queen who established the law against fratricide with Ahmet, won the hearts of people as soon as she became sultana. She never resorted to kill unless deemed necessary, like this case. (She did go crazy in old age) Hurrem on the other hand was impulsive and at some points we have to agree, a little evil. She killed mahidevrans son without hesitation and she had so many feuds within concubines and pashas. It was Suleiman's love that kept her at a higher power.
It did not settle well with me that Osman was killed by the Janissaries but I read that not all J wanted him dead. And those who killed Osman were avenged and rightly so.
I was a bit bugged by that too until I realized it was slowed down a lot for effect so we the viewer could get the full impact. In reality it was a sudden thing that she due to her arrogance wouldn't have expected. It would have went so fast that she would have only barely had enough time to grasp what was happening but not had the ability to react. It likely would have gone as quick as the murder in the taylors shop.
It was an horrible moment . Let's be honest even if some people dislike Osman no one deserved be murder like these. Bulbul very good moment (frustrating that we not have news of him instead of him we have Madame horrible XD). Cennet horrible fate... Rip one of my favorite character in MC and MCK. She had some interesting parallels with Nigar (they both had an affair that put them in danger, married to horrible people). But where Nigar moved further and further away from Hurrem when at first Nigar was very indulgent of Hurrem, Cennet didn't get along with Anastasia even if she became later one of the most important allies of Kosem. But when Cennet die horribly , she was defiant to the end and die in her own way very proudly. Nigar, her , die when she was broken to an horrible point. Kosem got rid of her enemies. But at the time of her ascension I wish that she wear the crown of Hurrem it would have been a very good symbol (when Hurrem wears the crown and everyone bows to her, she broke the rules of the harem which was an achievement for the Kosem she broke the rules for a new type of regency which was also an achievement of the time). I say that when I think that comparing the era of Hurrem and that of Kosem is not very relevant. The time when Kosem and Murad had very good potential. Because during season 2 Kosem will be passive and Murad will spend his time in stupid crises I understand why we compare Kosem to the Godfather. But now I would compare her more to Stephanie St Clair (a black woman who was on the verge of modern slavery in a colonized time, who arrives in America and who rises in rank to the point of being at the head of a mafia although she will help the black community as well, even if Stéphanie St Clair had some weird moments as you can imagine). I really like that in MCK the jannisary was see as a true danger ( and it was less glory military which I really like these).
Tbh Cennet was the most clever servant and among the most clever characters in MCK. Strange that they didn't butchered her as character. Nigar was one of the worst written fictional characters, they totally massacred her in favour of Ibrahim.
Kosem wear the crown in episode 25 when Ahmet die and she rule the State with her influence. In the final episode of this season there is no need to wear that crowN again with her blue dress.
Janissaries weren't basically soldiers, they were mercenaries raised from slaves to protect royals. No wonder they even rebelled few times. They were truly skilled and merciless
Can't stop thinking what Ahmet would think about so much killing ordered by who was his beloved sultana. Here is where Kosem lost all her innocence. The way she smiled when she already knew what was happening in the palace.
All this scene when she walks to enthrone Murat and her enemies are killing one by one, Kösem has terribly empty eyes, did you notice that? I wonder if Halime and Dilruba hoped she will spare them again 😂
This production has the most exquisite costumes and sets. The politics in court and the harem were the same the world and only the most ruthless and self serving survived. They must’ve lived in a state of stress and anxiety all their lives.
Calm , works according to plan , allies to support and disciplined with grace to achieve throne That's how you defeat enemies Hate and anger never works Cool mind , discipline and work with plan kills enemies one by one
There is this really beautiful moving things that she does. Where would she's hugging her children again? She smells them before she kisses them. I think it is the sweetest most moving.
Halime and Dilruba are the same Halime’s bitterness she passed down to her daughter But then Diruba had a ‘darkness’ in her already at a young age Kosem has been more ‘merciful’ yet anyone would lose their mind being locked up that way (as a human being) This is so brutal for that throne ..
She earned it. It's not easy to be that heartless. It's not bad, it was the rule of the nature back then, survival of the fittest as they say. Coz unfortunately history doesn't remember the weak.
Halime underestimated Kosem, she didn't have her or Murad killed and it cost her. But I think that the loss of her husband and her sons hardened Kosem beyond repair. She got a taste of real power after Murad ascended, got used to it and then she couldn't give it up. At least in this rendition, she ended up sacrificing so many of her loved ones and her relationship with them to maintain her power. The whole thing's heartbreaking.
SHE REALLY HELPED THE EMPIRE BY PUNISHING ALL TRAITORS AND SULTAN MURAD CAME OUT TO BE A GREAT RULER BUT HE HAD NO SONS ALL OF THEM DIED BEFORE THEY COULD GROW UP
Killing and dethroning one sultan after another was her norm. Her thirst for power knew no bounds, and we have her to thank, in part, for the collapse of a great empire.
Yall forget that Hurrem and kosem are in two different situations here. Of course others would deem kosem more powerful than Hurrem..but kosem was ON HER OWN..her Sultan Died. Of Course She has To stand on her own Two Feet. Hurrem HAD HER MAN..and was fighting no matter what to keep him to survive. Yall forget when Superman is Gone to Campaign..Hurrem is ALONE and holding it down herself! She doesn’t have her man around to protect her! She also doesn’t want NOONE not even her Sons on the throne BUT Him. She Was sticking by her man. Yall seem to forget that. Hurrem on the other hand was not gonna let others play in her face and do it all for her kids. Mahidevran would convince her son to eliminate his brothers even if he didn’t want to. So they both fight in different ways but are BOTH strong. Don’t Forget that Hurrem Paved the way for this to happen For ALL women. No one Knows How Bad That Era Was..You gotta do some evil crazy stuff just to live. It was never deemed as evil like we see now..it was SURVIVAL. If you don’t play the game well you’re as good as dead. So Hurrem and Kosems behavior later down the line was understandable. 🤷🏽♀️ True Queens.
When Kosem says she won't put Murad on the throne tainted by Osman's blood she is ordering they merely depose Mustafa to end his reign without his death so he takes the taint of Osman's death with him thus leaving the throne clean of his predecessors blood for Murad. She knows that once the traitors are taken out particularly the prime instigators of it Halime , Dilruba and Davut that Mustafa will no longer have any real power base to rise again. His well known insanity also makes anyone's effort in gathering support for him pretty much impossible so there is no need to kill him. It was so satisfying seeing Halime and especially that evil brat Dilruba finally getting what they deserve in being taken out . Mustafa grinning like the loon he is while his mother dies is the hilarious cherry on top of her demise. I love how they showed the escalation of the traitors deaths in order from lowest to highest ranking in mafia hit Godfather style with a final " Sultana Kosem sends her regards. " last words to let them know with no doubt exactly who was behind their deaths and who they shouldn't have crossed.
From the time of Hurrem to the time of Kosem, big changes have taken place. Ppl no more bows down before sultan and sultanas everytime they come across anymore. Dynasty's blood has been shed so many times. All the rules have been done away with.
Janisseries were appointed by Alaeddin Bey to protect his brother Orhan Sultan They were Christians from territories and to prevent a uprising or crime of them having nothing to do They were trained and schooled Some became Muslims Their job was to protect the Sultan Here they killed Osman because they were displeased of him wanting to abolish the sect The very reason Osman wanted to do so They had gotten out of control Kosem being a woman After ordering no one to touch Osman They still went ahead and killed him She did what she had to For stability and order in the empire
I want the music! Anyone know the titles of the parts when Davut is being brought to the dungeons and the overarching theme when Kosem tells him his blood is dirty (later reused when Gherevhan us on her way to Atike's wedding and takes her life respectively)?
Kosem considered all her husband's children hers to protect , the Harem was a place where a person's life was disposable and the others didn't care who got hurt in the Harem , so Kosem did to them what they did to her and her children .It was survival of the fittest .
At the end!she had to kill halima,dilruba,davut... But if she did it 1st,osman & mehmet might be there alive... Thats why this is law to kill others prince....
I don't see anything wrong in how brutal Kösem was in this point of the series. Osman wasn't her son. But she raised him as her own. Their relation wasn't like that of Hürrem Sultan and Mustafa. Osman called Kösem Valide. Osman even killed Kösem's biological son. Even then Kösem didn't stop loving Osman as her own son. And she took revenge for his death in the most possible brutal way. ❤
I remember one episode in season two when Kosem tells Bayezeid how he used to call her mother when he was a little boy and how she loved it when he did that.
Everyone seems to forget that Kosem forgave Osman for killing Mehmet.
@@Maria-co9egin the real history kosem with the help of sultan Halima dethroned Osman and killed him
@@userdark7890 NO
@@userdark7890that's not true
One thing I really like about Magnificent Century is how the characters grow. They had to become the apex predator in order to survive. It's not about being good or bad. It's about survival for them and their children.
Too bad they do all bad stuff too kills somebody too survies and i love that So mutch drama too do it
Life happens - it's still the same everywhere kill or be killed. Winners write the history - will Jesus Christ be the winner as per this formula?😮 Saints are martyrs not politicians. 😅😅
Bad system.😨🥵
@@andreebesseau6995 Agreed, terrible system.
It was the system that relied on the strongest to survive and sometimes brutal methods had to be used.
They all deserved it. She was patient enough, but when they abused that, she simply took care of them. Really, it's like watching The Godfather. The last scene gives me goosebumps.
It's there a reason why she is very famous alongside Sultan Hurrem
You're absolutely right!
You can see the monster Kosem becomes by the end of season 1. So people who say she becomes evil in the second season have poor judgement. She earned it. She was ready for any consequences for power, she understood it's only the survival of the fittest and history doesn't remember the weak. She was truly magnificent in a male dominated history. Cruelty coming from a woman was not a norm, she was truly exceptional.
She wasn't exceptional under her the empire fell into anarchy and it became weak her son got killed becouse he was over shadowed by his mother
@@mohaaanshuur8371 43:26 Кесем Султан была Великолепна и Сильна за весь сериал, зря Сафие думала, что вот так просто убьет ее, совершенно позабыв о том, что это Опасные Игры с Огнем, которые будут Чреваты Смертью всех, Вставших у нее на пути Конкурентов! 😉😁💪👊💀☠️
@@mohaaanshuur8371 she was exceptional for a male dominated society, only males are supposed to be rulers in Muslims empires. So she's one of exceptional cases. And anarchy and other mishaps happened within all empires throughout the world. Ottomans got weak right after the demise of Suleiman (with an exception of a few accomplishments later on), he didn't leave a competent heir to the throne. Kosem did really well despite her immature kids ruling.
She became a monster cuz everybody was afyer her and because of power true its because shewanted people to target her and not her children
@@Dawn-Songs definitely agree with you.
The comment was with respect to leadership positions, usually male rulers are portrayed cruel but here the case was equally fair
This was by far one of the best episode of the show!!..Kosem made her enemies pay for what they did to her, her friends and her children!!..revenge at its finest!!
When she took her revenge on them it was my favorite especially when she killed halima and her daughter
That's not true
@@marismith162 what's not True?
Same
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@@marismith162in yhe real life, Kösem wasn't able to kill Halime. Halime Sultan died in the old palace from old age.
I am absolutely addicted to this show! It's like Vikings meets Serpent Queen! My husband is circassian adage and I think he will love this when I show him!
Kösem Sultan, Hürrem Sultan, Nurbanu Sultan, even Safiye Sultan were all victim of their circumstances. We can be critical all we want. But it was a eat or be eaten world at that time and they chose to survive and try to protect their loved ones. They were sweet and innocent 😇 girls at one point, abducted into slavery. They turned cunning to survive.
If a woman trades her nurturing, maternal and cherishing self for a conniving, scheming and ambitious personality then she does it with great difficulty but she'll excel in that too.
Facts!
That's what I keep trying to tell everyone who keeps saying that, oh, Kosem was a monster, etc., etc. For one thing, I'd like to see how they all fare in a world like the one that Kosem/Anastasia and several other Sultanas had to endure with its ruthless, hostile environment. It's just like you said, they may have been kind, caring and cherishing people once, but circumstances that were far out of their control forced them to either become ruthless and cunning or become the victim of someone else's cold, ruthless, and merciless ambitions. Yes, what they all did was horrible, that much is true, but who are we to say that we would have been any different if were all of a sudden so violently ripped away from our homes and our families and forced into such a cruel, unforgiving, and hostile place as they all had?
@@patrickmartin6449 💯
@@patrickmartin6449😊
@@patrickmartin6449So it was okay as a woman to kidnap other women for their child or grand child when she suffered the same fate?? I know history is different and most women were brought to the palace as orphans or rescued from human trafficking and Wars etc. and it wasn't like American or European Slavery, Slaves usually used to be freed after some time when they got trust and even when they were slaves they used to be treated kindly and given education and had rights to participate in Politics, Army etc. but we are talking about series then tell me how it was okay for hurrem for attempting to kill Mustafa 3 times and successfully killed him after sacrificing her daughter and how it was okay for Mirhman to gift her nephew Safiya, She was human not a doll and she forgot, her mother was once a slave and victim of war and human trafficking. Safiya kidnapped both Kosem and her sister for Ahmet without his knowledge and killed her father. Nurbano killed Bayzaid wife because she was too lazy to set boundaries with her male servants and how Kosem treated Aysa and Ibrahim's first wife and son. There aren't always excuse to treat other people poorly. Kosem Gabe chance to Mustafa and halima but they betrayed her. So it wasn't the reason for survival but it was a game of power and the greed for power made them evil!? Only Tur was good and worth praising because she only focused on her son and even showed mercy on her stepsons.
For some reason, it's Dilruba whose end was the most satisfying to me as a Kosem fan. She was such a little snake.
She got the longest knife in her😅
@@champagneabdioAnd for some nutty reason I have absolutely no problem with that.
She was evil as a child
Me too
Dilruba was an ottoman princess
Kosem a slave...
Beren Saat should have been awarded for this role. She played it so well 👌 I'm sorry she didn't want to play Kösem in season 2
She didn't? I just thought they replaced her with an older actress because they aged up the character.
I can watch this over and over… so much respect for Sultana Kosem and the Sultan’s❤️
killed Murad and Ibrahim later
@@Afraanika not Murad, that's wrong depiction of history. He died due to his illness because of excessive drinking.
@@Afraanika both came at her first
She faced all the difficulties alone. Unlike Hurrem Sultana, Kosem didn't have her husband.
@@AfraanikaMurad killed himself with his alcoholism.
I cry, even he is killed his brother becoz he is not mature enough, he still need advisor, kosem is real mother❤️
Agreed , i am also crying😭😭😢
Mustafa was doomed from the start. I feel so sorry for him. Ahmet swore never to kill him but others could have, so the fear remained so intense that he couldn't have a normal life. Just be a puppet for others. Sad.
Kosem, the most powerful and most influential Sultana who had no King but was a King herself.
It's said that Hurram is nothing without Sultan Suleiman, but Kosem is everything without her King.
It is because of Hurrem that the sultanate of women was possible, she made the foundation for the rest of them 😊
Exactly
Hurrem was nothing without suleiman
@@ibrahimkhan-st5isshe did everything she wanted. ..she was not a wedow like kosem ...hurrem established that sultanate on which all her succeders just sat...she showed the path..she was most influential Sultana..she made sultanas a power rather than just an object to produce kids ...hurrem is always respected mostly..she was not killed by her own soldiers..
@@manishamishra6770They were not “soldiers”. Nobody would dare to kill her, while SULTAN SULEIMAN was reigning. Those soldiers, were those of TURHAN SULTAN who sent them to kill her, what do you expect a 60 year old to do? Survive? Nobody could lay a finger on Hurrem because of Suleiman.
kosem eyes while talking with davut is on fire💥💥
Thats when she changed
Kasem eyes while talking with Davut is on fire
To be honest, I feel sorry for mustafa.. Him being locked up in his room for so many years made him like this..
Realmente fue su miedo a morir, se sentía amenazado todo el tiempo.
@@corinarojas5092 True, he did not deserve it, but it is for his own sake, but I feel very sorry for him.
I feel soo bad for Mustafa he didn't deserve this the most character suffered in this series 😭💔💔
Exactly I felt the same. Poor sehzade suffered the most. Atleast in least merciful way they could've kixxx him with his mother. Locking him in dark cage for lifetime is worse than death. He suffered in mist cruel way.
Dilruba was madly in love with davut pasha and married to him and yet she was walking like so triumphantly in the corridors as if nothing happened, strange!!!!
Because she didn't hear yet about the death of Davut that's why she is walking arrogantly like nothing happened she died same time as her husband
She loved her brother more then anyone
Her death could've been more cruel. She didn't experience emotional pain like kosem did losing osman.
@@afrahf9010 I don't think she's capable of feeling that pain. She'd have to really love someone for that to happen. She might've loved Mustafa enough but he outlives her.
Hurrem had the most amazing and powerful love but my girl kosem is FIRE and fire can't be loved but feared!
Little Murad is too adorable!
Halime is dying and Mustafa is all like 🤪
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 No one's home.
She got the strangler
I got you😏
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Never underestimate the power of a mother ❤.
Such an epic scene. Halime, dilruba, davut and Mustafa lost. Valide sultan is now the padishah regent
Mustafa didn't die. But he was kept secluded the rest of his life and his mental health further deteriorated.
He didnt lost. He had no idea what his mother and sister even did. He was crazy 🤷🏼♀️
Mustafa wasn't a part of all this.
@@ioannapapadopoulou2218 still
@@nielubieinceli that's a sign he lost too
Kosem realy did care for Mustafa and was not targeted and the end seen with her and Mustafa when he was older shows it,in real life however we do not know Halime daughters name for sure and both she and Halime survived and lived peacefully same with Mustafa and were not bad as shown here.
As for Osman dispite what he did he did not deserve that kind of death he did
Thanks to all those ingrates who have taken advantage of Kosem’s original kindness, tender care and tolerance and repaid her back with a lot of pain, they have successfully created a power-hungry morally grey ruler that wouldn’t hesitate anymore to do anything to achieve her purpose and destroy anyone that could threatened her position, even shedding blood
They forgot they were messing with a woman who ended safiye sultan influence at court
it is visible on her face how worn out she is without the glow she had with Sultan Ahmed.... the things palace politics does, it is not different than physical wars😢 i mean if anyone lived in such cutthroat environment we wouldn't survive with all torture
Watching this part of the series gives me immense empowerment as a woman.
This is not empowerment. Those Women were wives and Mothers of Sultan, that's why they were respected and supported by men. Men were Loyal to the Ottoman Blood, They can't simply ignore the power that were given By Sultan to the women.
And ofcourse those women were educated and intelligent, otherwise harem is not a place for ignorance.
@@brace_yourself yet it would take so much courage to do what Kosem did there. So yeah, it empowered me. 😃
@@afrahf9010 It can only inspire you, not empower you.
@@brace_yourself oh geez. Thanks for your advice. I couldn't have gone on with my day without hearing this.
@@afrahf9010
وأنت فجزاك الله خيرا
Complete goosebumps 43:14 till end.. such a valiant sultana..Kosem sultana
Historical points:
Osman II was found by jannisarries and tortured ( he enraged them even more when he gave them money to try to escape) . Halime and Davud didn't handle the elimination of Osman well by parading him, torturing him and then killing him in a horrible way if they wanted to stay in power (besides Halime wanted to kill him initially in the mosque, Halime was an intelligent woman but whose judgment was clouded by anger and revenge). It caused chaos in the Ottoman Empire (like rebellion of Abaza Mehmed Pacha, one of the most competent Shah in history Shah Abbas took advantage of this chaos,etc...) which was not already in good shape . In addition, it forced her to sacrifice her vizier Davud and with it the last chances that her daughter's son could access the throne after Mustafa.
However, unlike Kosem (at the end of her third regency) she was lucid enough to understand that she could no longer stay in power and accepted that Kosem's son would become Sultan if Mustafa survived (but let's not forget that unlike Kosem, Halime certainly no longer had any allies to keep her in power).
It took years for Kosem and Murad to restore the Ottoman Empire (and yet they were effective leaders even if they had some questionable aspects as I have already said before).
This practice of parading and torturing the "defeated person" was horrible (in the case of Osman and the queen Brunehilde who was tortured, paraded at age 60 without her clothes in front of all the soldiers, then killed in a horrible fashion dragged behind a excited horse) or even Arsinoe IV although she was not tortured (although I do not subscribe to the demonization of Cleopatra and to make a white pure Arsinoe we can have compassion for her)
Facts!
@@aha3652 Thank you :)
@@nesiacha3659That was a very interesting post!
@@Maria-co9eg Thank you :)
Then what about sultan selim iii of Ottoman Empire he was also killed by the janissaries in 1808 like his ancestor sultan osman ii of Ottoman Empire, right 🇹🇷?
I enjoyed Sultana Kosem’s revenge I truly did. I only feel sad and heartbroken for Prince Mustafa. He could have had a great life if it wasn’t for his mother and sister ambitions and snake ways. When he’s older he talks to Sultan Murad and believes his mother and sister are alive, they just choose not to visit him. My Sultana mother doesn’t visit me. How heartbreaking 💔 for him. Victim since childhood up to his death.
What can I say...Revange is Sweet!❤
Hürrem's Sultana ring... now wearing by Kösem Sultana
sad thing is Hurrem's ring was a symbol of her love, but everyone especially Nurbanu believed it to be a symbol of the power she got. and because of that they tainted the ring.
@@emilish624she cursed that ring in front of Mahidevran, sadly her daughter in law didn't know
@@MiaMaraa I dont remember that. When did she "curse" the ring?
The ring was with hurrem when she dies but they said nurbanu took it.
Nurburu stole from hurrems dying finger
And that's how kosem became the most powerful sultana... Those hurram fans should understand and stop debating on this
Hürrem always had Suleyman's authority behind her. Hürrem was always known to be his subordinate. She might've been like strong muscle, but her husband was the spine holding it up. Kösem was the other way around. SHE was the backbone, the authority. The male Sultans were her muscles.
Are you serious,do you known what is unseal love?hurrem got it all
@@weaviejeebies this was a result of abmert early death,if suileman die early hurrem will have no choice but to fight more of her battle,but her unseal love was what make suleman to last longer,love❤
Totally agree. Hurrem and Suleiman had a better connection. We know Ahmet was a bit of a player. But when it comes to strength, kosem undoubtedly is ahead. She took regent, typically a man's role, without a man by her side.
People say hurrem would survive without suleiman but no. Kosem was a merciful queen who established the law against fratricide with Ahmet, won the hearts of people as soon as she became sultana. She never resorted to kill unless deemed necessary, like this case. (She did go crazy in old age)
Hurrem on the other hand was impulsive and at some points we have to agree, a little evil. She killed mahidevrans son without hesitation and she had so many feuds within concubines and pashas. It was Suleiman's love that kept her at a higher power.
@@weaviejeebiesif Ahmed had lived for long, kosem will be limited too.
Sultana Kosem is best among the sultanas!!!
*Even the Devil himself doesn't have that stare **0:41**. I vote Kosem stare the coldest in human television history, maybe the World itself.*
It did not settle well with me that Osman was killed by the Janissaries but I read that not all J wanted him dead. And those who killed Osman were avenged and rightly so.
35:05 she just stands there. No sense of self preservation at all
I was a bit bugged by that too until I realized it was slowed down a lot for effect so we the viewer could get the full impact. In reality it was a sudden thing that she due to her arrogance wouldn't have expected. It would have went so fast that she would have only barely had enough time to grasp what was happening but not had the ability to react. It likely would have gone as quick as the murder in the taylors shop.
Dilruba’s death was the most dignified
Not that Dilruba deserved a dignified death, especially after the way way she killed Cennet.
@@Maria-co9egugh all apart of that witch's curse that helped heal Ahmed from smallpox 😢
It was an horrible moment . Let's be honest even if some people dislike Osman no one deserved be murder like these.
Bulbul very good moment (frustrating that we not have news of him instead of him we have Madame horrible XD).
Cennet horrible fate... Rip one of my favorite character in MC and MCK. She had some interesting parallels with Nigar (they both had an affair that put them in danger, married to horrible people). But where Nigar moved further and further away from Hurrem when at first Nigar was very indulgent of Hurrem, Cennet didn't get along with Anastasia even if she became later one of the most important allies of Kosem. But when Cennet die horribly , she was defiant to the end and die in her own way very proudly. Nigar, her , die when she was broken to an horrible point.
Kosem got rid of her enemies. But at the time of her ascension I wish that she wear the crown of Hurrem it would have been a very good symbol (when Hurrem wears the crown and everyone bows to her, she broke the rules of the harem which was an achievement for the Kosem she broke the rules for a new type of regency which was also an achievement of the time). I say that when I think that comparing the era of Hurrem and that of Kosem is not very relevant.
The time when Kosem and Murad had very good potential. Because during season 2 Kosem will be passive and Murad will spend his time in stupid crises
I understand why we compare Kosem to the Godfather.
But now I would compare her more to Stephanie St Clair (a black woman who was on the verge of modern slavery in a colonized time, who arrives in America and who rises in rank to the point of being at the head of a mafia although she will help the black community as well, even if Stéphanie St Clair had some weird moments as you can imagine).
I really like that in MCK the jannisary was see as a true danger ( and it was less glory military which I really like these).
Tbh Cennet was the most clever servant and among the most clever characters in MCK.
Strange that they didn't butchered her as character.
Nigar was one of the worst written fictional characters, they totally massacred her in favour of Ibrahim.
Kosem wear the crown in episode 25 when Ahmet die and she rule the State with her influence. In the final episode of this season there is no need to wear that crowN again with her blue dress.
Janissaries weren't basically soldiers, they were mercenaries raised from slaves to protect royals. No wonder they even rebelled few times. They were truly skilled and merciless
Out of them all I keep replaying Dilruba's death scene. ISTG she really used to get on my last nerve.
When the men were weak the woman had to rise. Such is the way of Empires.
This was the best kosem sultan ever❤
Can't stop thinking what Ahmet would think about so much killing ordered by who was his beloved sultana. Here is where Kosem lost all her innocence. The way she smiled when she already knew what was happening in the palace.
You can understand her, if you lose your child and have the chance to take revenge and to safe the empire!
All this scene when she walks to enthrone Murat and her enemies are killing one by one, Kösem has terribly empty eyes, did you notice that?
I wonder if Halime and Dilruba hoped she will spare them again 😂
I say it again it reminds me of Michael Coroleone and his revenge on the heads of the 5 families. It too was executed in a meticulous way
@@patrickmartin6449because
1. She did it first time
2. Halime and Dilruba were stupid so they could hope for it
The acting is A plus this show seems to be an excellent show. Thankfully it has English subtitles.
Kosem the magnificent ❤
This production has the most exquisite costumes and sets. The politics in court and the harem were the same the world and only the most ruthless and self serving survived. They must’ve lived in a state of stress and anxiety all their lives.
Calm , works according to plan , allies to support and disciplined with grace to achieve throne
That's how you defeat enemies
Hate and anger never works
Cool mind , discipline and work with plan kills enemies one by one
Revenge is a dish best served cold.
The way they brutally killed Osman they all deserved it
So much for Sanctuary of a Temple. The traitors deserved what Kosem gave them.
history is the proof what time makes a person😢
26:57 her voice became diffrent from here
This is my favorite part of this entire series. 🎉
There is this really beautiful moving things that she does. Where would she's hugging her children again?
She smells them before she kisses them. I think it is the sweetest most moving.
Dang! She cleared that house.
36:09 the proud face on child mustafa. Oh! They truly loved each other. But two lion can't stay in the same jungle. Cruel fate.
some of the actors are really good!
She is the definition of saying that villains aren't born, they're made 😢
30:30 the ring!
Фильм супер актёры, отлично сыграли, музыка, костюмы, всё, браво👏👏
Like Michael Corleone
when he put hits on the
Heads of the Five Families.
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time, Halime, Dilruba and Davut.
I like the voice over part they killed thr sultan of the world
That was like watching The Godfather. Kosem The Godmother.
Kosem was the Badass of Badasses.
Someone pointed out that Kosem caracter ark is very similar to Michael Corleone's in The Godfather.
In history she was titled as the magnificent mother
@shadowhatesme6070 impressive!
Safiye was sultana under sultanas but Kosem was Boss under Bossess
This is my second time watching it mashallah it is still great and i can learn even more from it
Murad 4 was the Awaited Sultan
That Osmani Daynasty needed ❤❤
After That Abdul Hamid 2
Bulbul agha and haji aghas hug🥹🥹🥹 considering how hostile they were back then
They were a main player of game changing leader ship who will say on throne.
Halime and Dilruba are the same Halime’s bitterness she passed down to her daughter But then Diruba had a ‘darkness’ in her already at a young age Kosem has been more ‘merciful’ yet anyone would lose their mind being locked up that way (as a human being) This is so brutal for that throne ..
But too bad Kosem became too greedy and blinded by power at the end that she is ready to kill anyone on her way even if its her own son
She earned it. It's not easy to be that heartless. It's not bad, it was the rule of the nature back then, survival of the fittest as they say. Coz unfortunately history doesn't remember the weak.
her sons never appreciated her
@@welp3694 Well, she killed them. Then she tried to kill her grandson. She absolutely lost her way at the end.
@@TJRhea girlboss if u ask me
@welp Yikes 😬
I miss this Kosem at the end of the series. Kosem who loves her children 😢
KOSEM DID SUFFER A LOT DURING HER TIME. IT'S LESSONS THAT MADE HER THE WAYS SHE IS, HER BRUTALITY WAS BECAUSE OF WHAT SHE'S SUFFERED.
Kösem and the Lannisters would be best friends.
27:02 who was the person koesum was talking , can someone tell me , he was the actual game changer , did she said halil pasha ?
Halime underestimated Kosem, she didn't have her or Murad killed and it cost her. But I think that the loss of her husband and her sons hardened Kosem beyond repair. She got a taste of real power after Murad ascended, got used to it and then she couldn't give it up. At least in this rendition, she ended up sacrificing so many of her loved ones and her relationship with them to maintain her power. The whole thing's heartbreaking.
SHE REALLY HELPED THE EMPIRE BY PUNISHING ALL TRAITORS AND SULTAN MURAD CAME OUT TO BE A GREAT RULER BUT HE HAD NO SONS ALL OF THEM DIED BEFORE THEY COULD GROW UP
American Kosem fan here. Did every Octtoman Sultan build their own Mosque?
Killing and dethroning one sultan after another was her norm.
Her thirst for power knew no bounds, and we have her to thank, in part, for the collapse of a great empire.
Everytime I see Osman’s death scene i burst into tears 😭😭😭😭😭
30:19
Serious Vivien Leigh vibes
Justice has been served. She is soft gentle but also smart..
31:29 lol so funny how they made it sound like swords slicing into them, when they clearly all have branches to beat them to death.
Yall forget that Hurrem and kosem are in two different situations here. Of course others would deem kosem more powerful than Hurrem..but kosem was ON HER OWN..her Sultan Died. Of Course She has To stand on her own Two Feet. Hurrem HAD HER MAN..and was fighting no matter what to keep him to survive. Yall forget when Superman is Gone to Campaign..Hurrem is ALONE and holding it down herself! She doesn’t have her man around to protect her! She also doesn’t want NOONE not even her Sons on the throne BUT Him. She Was sticking by her man. Yall seem to forget that. Hurrem on the other hand was not gonna let others play in her face and do it all for her kids. Mahidevran would convince her son to eliminate his brothers even if he didn’t want to. So they both fight in different ways but are BOTH strong. Don’t Forget that Hurrem Paved the way for this to happen For ALL women.
No one Knows How Bad That Era Was..You gotta do some evil crazy stuff just to live. It was never deemed as evil like we see now..it was SURVIVAL. If you don’t play the game well you’re as good as dead. So Hurrem and Kosems behavior later down the line was understandable. 🤷🏽♀️ True Queens.
This is the best part of kosem sultan
When Kosem says she won't put Murad on the throne tainted by Osman's blood she is ordering they merely depose Mustafa to end his reign without his death so he takes the taint of Osman's death with him thus leaving the throne clean of his predecessors blood for Murad. She knows that once the traitors are taken out particularly the prime instigators of it Halime , Dilruba and Davut that Mustafa will no longer have any real power base to rise again. His well known insanity also makes anyone's effort in gathering support for him pretty much impossible so there is no need to kill him. It was so satisfying seeing Halime and especially that evil brat Dilruba finally getting what they deserve in being taken out . Mustafa grinning like the loon he is while his mother dies is the hilarious cherry on top of her demise. I love how they showed the escalation of the traitors deaths in order from lowest to highest ranking in mafia hit Godfather style with a final " Sultana Kosem sends her regards. " last words to let them know with no doubt exactly who was behind their deaths and who they shouldn't have crossed.
Kurulus osman .kurulus osman..kurulus osman !!!!!!!!;
I love Beren dark grey eyes and now they turn black when she's angry
25:10 song name please
From the time of Hurrem to the time of Kosem, big changes have taken place. Ppl no more bows down before sultan and sultanas everytime they come across anymore. Dynasty's blood has been shed so many times. All the rules have been done away with.
Janisseries were appointed by Alaeddin Bey to protect his brother Orhan Sultan
They were Christians from territories and to prevent a uprising or crime of them having nothing to do
They were trained and schooled
Some became Muslims
Their job was to protect the Sultan
Here they killed Osman because they were displeased of him wanting to abolish the sect
The very reason Osman wanted to do so
They had gotten out of control
Kosem being a woman
After ordering no one to touch Osman
They still went ahead and killed him
She did what she had to
For stability and order in the empire
Fun Fact: Murad IV would get drunk and go around Istanbul beheading anyone he saw drinking alcohol. I am not making this up.
I want the music! Anyone know the titles of the parts when Davut is being brought to the dungeons and the overarching theme when Kosem tells him his blood is dirty (later reused when Gherevhan us on her way to Atike's wedding and takes her life respectively)?
Kosem considered all her husband's children hers to protect , the Harem was a place where a person's life was disposable and the others didn't care who got hurt in the Harem , so Kosem did to them what they did to her and her children .It was survival of the fittest .
this teal dress is so perfect for all the revenge and a new beginning
Dont dare kosem ❤ or else 🤭
I love her wallah she is patient love all his son equally 💙 ❤
At the end!she had to kill halima,dilruba,davut... But if she did it 1st,osman & mehmet might be there alive...
Thats why this is law to kill others prince....
I have seen this more than 100 times. most impressive is that kosem's advise to Murad before ascending the throne.@40.00/43.26
BEST EPISODE EVERRRRR
Kosem is a best sultana
Do you know where to find original, uncensored scene with death of Davud Pasha?
They were brutal beyond belief, all in the name of power
Even at the end you can tell this isn't the way she wanted things. She never wanted to enthrone her young son. She wasn't given a choice