"I used to think that the worst thing in life was to end up alone. It's not. The worst thing in life is to end up with people who make you feel alone." -Robin Williams
@@unownnnn I totally agree with not having to please anyone and am good with who I am but my comment still applies to how I feel. All the best to you as well!
That just means you still have to find the right people to be with. If you always stay alone, you'll never find them. Keep looking and stay hopeful. You'll find good friends, eventually. Took me more than 25 years and changing company of friends multiple times.
This is so true. I met this new group of people on discord when COVID started, I felt so connected with these guys. Eventually many of us went on outdoor activities and vacations overseas, but bit by bit they acted like I wasn't part of the bigger picture. From moments of invalidation to straight up being ignored. Over time I became less and less involved, they felt very elitist at times too. Now, a year later, I might as well not exist in their discord because I rarely talk on there anymore. I'll say I feel like I'm at my loneliest in my life, I'm 23. I'm hopeful that things will get better because I'm so young, but it fucking sucks to lose something you once had hopes in.
As someone who's experienced a similarly lonely childhood, that kind of stuff can really fuck up a person in ways most people don't think including an inability to adapt to social situations and respond to things a normal person would. In spite of all of her weird little mannerisms and entertaining intrusive thoughts, Mumei always struck me as someone I can relate to in that regard and the song really struck a chord with me, and I'm glad I stuck around.
Same here. I’m in college now and I still don’t understand most social cues or things that people do. Getting overstimulated/overwhelmed easily by people and loud sounds don’t help either
Solitude is a decision. Loneliness, is not. Even when you're surrounded by people, you can feel lonely. Loneliness is the disconnection from people and the harnessing of the perception that you're not good enough. When you take the alternative mindset (as Mumei points out) of choosing solitude for self-improvement, then you are able to communicate with people better (because you're not hung up on your inadequacies) and you feel a better connection with people, because it's through choice, not a sense of wanting.
omgg this is something i needed to hear, it now makes sense how i felt lonely because i felt inadequate, i will try to self-improve instead, thank you TwT
Most of the time I keep thinking, do I deserve this company? Do I deserve these people? It's painful when these unconscious thoughts flood my mind, and almost take over. My worst characteristic is when, most of the times when I meet new people or when I meet with people I've talked to through social media/contacting apps for the first time my voice just doesn't come out and it's like a painful knot in my throat, it makes me so sad, angry and anxious of myself, why couldn't I say anything? why couldn't I voice out my thoughts? I'm trying to better myself at it and HAVE been making little steps and evolving bit by bit
yes that's it! there's being alone as in being in solitude which is often fine and ok...but then there's being alone as in emotionally alone. Not having anyone to truly connect with sucks
Even now when im at work talkin to my friends, goofing around, telling jokes. Deep inside myself keeps thinking that they are just "coworkers". Outside of work they are nothing, while inside the warehouse we are friends. I blame myself for being super shy and not belong in a group. Being the nomad in highschool jumping between groups of people, just to be considered a stranger. This is 27 year old me still thinking the same after 16 years. feeling alone really sucks, perfected loneliness behind a happy smile and persona.
Honestly, I would say to embrace your connection with those coworkers of yours. Several years ago I used to work in a grocery store, stocking the shelves overnight; a few of my coworkers and I eventually started playing games together. That was some of the most fun I’ve had in a long time, and it continued even after we’d all left that job and gone our separate ways. In the past year those relationships have dropped off as I’ve been fighting to make ends meet and haven’t had time to hang out with them to maintain the friendship; but we’re all on good terms and I hope to reignite the relationships once I’ve got my feet under me again. If you like these people you work with, don’t hesitate to let them further into your life.
The worst kinds of loneliness are when you're surrounded by a lot of friends and family and yet still feel isolated is horrific, and credit to Mumei; it takes a lot of strength to be able to speak about her experiences and to be able to find the words to describe it in a way people listening can understand.
I love that the girls are able to express themselves through their music in a very artistic and symbolic or meaningful way but also not to completely restrict it to their individualization but rather allow the viewers to put themselves in their shoes and find points in which they related to the theme and message being portrayed. It's very wholesome and a beautiful thing. These girls are such beautiful souls really.
I think the reason why I like Mumei is that I see so much of myself in her. I was the shadow in a hoodie. I was alone most of school until I got a friend group, but after graduation it's been so incredibly lonely again because everyone left town, except me. I've struggled with lonliness and social anxiety all my life. Also our personalities are so similar at times that it honestly scares me. Like, is she me?
This is the most real, grounded video I’ve have seen in a while. No cuts or edits, just a person talking to many others. There is no filter here, it’s real. This is when Mumei isn’t a content creator, but human like all of us. ❤
when you are lonely, you start really appreciating the value of friends, of people that can and are willing to understand you, to comfort you. You may have a lot of people around you, talking to you, but you may still be lonely.
That part where Mumei said it takes up 90% of your life is exactly why Gura keeps taking breaks. All of Myth probably has hard burnout, especially since they led the way for others.
In Gura’s case, I feel like being the #1 Vtuber in terms of subscribers put a lot more pressure on her too. In some ways, it probably felt like everyone looked to her to set the bar for everyone else, which also made her an easy target for criticism too I don’t envy her position, since I know she’s mentioned that despite being grateful for the subs, she’d probably be happier if she wasn’t #1 😕
One of the nice things about streaming is you can simply cut back, but part of a corp like this? You keep working... It's your job, and you can't just take your character and go away.
@@RobinTheBot Indie streamers take a bigger hit to their success if they let up on the gas even slightly because they don't have other gen mates to fill the void while still keeping them relevant through association, it's all on the content they can put out as an individual. But being part of a group brings with it the pressure - whether external, internal, or both - not to be that kind of burden.
I always struggle with maintaining irl friendships because, I don't know how to maintain or make them. My friends always comes from school, a common environment, and I struggle keeping in touch with people from there because we usually don't have the same interests. Making friends online is also a struggle because I don't know how to really position myself to be out there, I'm friendly but not outgoing, gosh I'm just a mess lol.
My interests has always been around music, internet culture and vtubers (of course). I found a friend that's into the other two and I will confidently say that I won't let this drift away, I find it really good to have someone to talk about the most random topics with me, even now we graduated and have separated into an online friendship, we're still keeping touch. Safe to say that I would definitely be less lonely if I learn how to make friends online, especially when I was a little younger. I'm feeling this 'alone in the crowd' sort of loneliness now.
Mumei hits the feels like not many people do. I feel like a total dweeb admitting she is someone I really resonate with, but I will never get to truly know or meet.
As someone who is going through the exact same college story she had, it really made me feel this weird kind of sad but happy clarity. I haven't emotionally cried in years and I'm crying as I write this
Don't worry, it's the same as connecting emotionally with any other form of entertainment, just this one has an actual level of back-and-forth interaction
Yagoo said before : he created Hololive to give voiceless girls a voice, and empower them through the use of virtual avatars. What he created is a safe space for these broken girls to be somebody. To be somebody to someone else. Damn.
Dont know about "broken girls" they all had either their own channels pre-hololive or some other carrier in social media/music/drawing. So they had something going on for them, even if not nearly as recognizable. Hololive I think really evaluates experience. And unfortunately I dont think it is a safe place for them, but yeah I am happy for them. They deserve appreciation and support.
I relate to her heavily. I've been in my lowest point of my life for more than 5 years. My friends left me, and now I'm fighting alone. Vtubers are ones of the many reasons I still keep going. Mumei made me realize that I'm not the only one fighting alone.
I'm in a friend group of people who have known each other since they were kids, and I remember back then I used to hate when their other friends (who I personally don't know) would join our outings because it really made me feel like an outsider. My thoughts were like "I am surrounded by people, but I feel alone" kind of like I was an outsider and I didn't belong. Because of this during the pandemic I took a month off social media to just reflect and like Mumei said, choosing solitude to improve yourself does help sometimes because it made me get rid of that mindset, although sometimes it does come back and I just think about how I probably shouldn't be here or that I'm invading a group I clearly don't belong in. Being alone isn't a bad thing, it's FEELING along that messes you up.
Making someome feel like they are an outsider is the worst. I used to have this frd grp of 4 including me. One time we were going to my place for a gathering. On our way, the 2 of them met a frd of theirs. They got rlly excited and started screaming and taking selfies in the middle of a crosswalk. Me and the other girl was just left aside. It. Was. So. Freakin. Awkward.
gosh, as someone who grew up autistic and didn't know for years, her story really hits home. being alone surrounded by people and the frustration of wanting to talk but not being able to. mumei 💗
Gotta admit i cried to this. She said everything im feeling rn that i cant put into words. Im at the point of my life where I notice i dont actually have anyone im close with everywhere i go. Someone i could just talk to or have fun with. I had a discussion w my parents about how i hate being at home but couldnt quite explain it to them that although im around my family, i still feel alone and out of place. I didnt actually thought my feelings were valid for the sole reason i couldnt put them into words,so mumei really helped me in expressing that. Just hoping everything goes well from here on out.
Honestly going through something similar now with loneliness, and I'm struggling with my life right now. And knowing this is an experience Mumei went through and got past it really gives me hope. But right now it's hard to get anywhere and each night I have thoughts that go to my head that I don't want. When she brought up being lonely around people... That really did make me realize how much I'm going through and how I don't want a feeling like this anymore. A feeling I've had for a while now
If it helps, you are not alone in this feeling and experience. I too am going through one of the roughest periods in my life. But the Owl, the Rat, The Reaper, The Ina, The Fauna, all of them, help me at least with coping through it. Try to get out of the house/apartment and go for walks, if it is safe to do so for you. It really helps. And finding an online community is a good start to combating loneliness. I wish you all the best and I mean that.
Hey, i know that I'm just a floating bunch of words, but i just want to tell you that you're never alone. as long as you're still in this community, we're still like one big family, you know? Whatever struggling you're going through, i hope you succeed in the end, gather your courage, and speak up your mind to others. Don't let what hurt you keep hurting you. And if you ever feel lonely again, feel free to come back here anytime.
@@chrisvighagen thank you so much, and I do use Promise (council) as a means not to feel lonely in that moment. Bae earlier had an unarchived karaoke and it helped. And I want to try with the community, but some I’ve tried to go into left me a bit scared so it feels hard.
@@RoamingSimp does feel nice to know that the community is a very nice one. I know we can mess around with the talents, but we do mean well at the end. I’ll try and say more about it, but hard to reach out as of now. But again, I do want to try
@@chrisvighagenhow does one "find" a community though? I have several interests (like vtubers and games) but never found anyone to talk about it, I'm just enjoying these things alone so far.
holy fuck 3:04 ...did mumei drop out of college? and was part of it because of loneliness? If she did, I can relate so damn much. I graduated from high school and quickly realized just how few friends I actually had and how most were just acquaintances. I went from hanging out before school and eating lunch with a group of like 10-15 people to having no one. Most moved away to go to other schools and the ones at my college I wasn't that close too. I got so depressed and ended up dropping out. I'm way better off now but holy fuck was that time hard.
I feel that. I have my mom and friends online but it's been a long time since I graduated and I've still not done anything and don't have any idea of what I even would WANT to do. I just go day by day, waiting for something. It makes me feel less alone knowing that someone who is such a big inspiration to me feels similarly. It is healthy to have a balance of friendships. Online and IRL friendships are both amazing and should be cherished.
I completely get it, I’ve been in the same boat for several years. I think I’ve finally found a direction for my life, but it definitely wasn’t as easy as “graduate highschool go to 4-year college graduate college enter $120k career in aviation”. I started down that path, it didn’t work out. I’ve looked at a few other career options and those weren’t quite what I was looking for either. All this time, I’ve been absorbing knowledge about everything I possibly could, from aviation to video editing to security work to all things PC-related. It finally came together when one of my relatives made a casual remark about cybersecurity, which has become my current focus and only looks better for me the more I dig into it. For you, the answer may be a totally different path than what I found… it’ll be shaped by your life experiences. So take those experiences and what skills you have now, combine them with every life goal you’ve had in the past and present, and see what sort of career could use those skills. All those goals stem from aspects of who you are, so they’ll all point in a general direction. The first thing you hit on might still not be what’s right for you, but having a direction to at least start searching for your purpose will greatly benefit you.
Loneliness is my existence. I blame diverse mature content exposure from early age. It makes me fit to everyone, but then i realize no one fit to me. It is a melancholy feeling that i learned to cope with tea and jazz
Mumei is just like me fr when she said that she feel lonely even with family around and have everything by her own thats feel suck my eyes gonna burst out😢 you didn't alone mumei ❤❤❤
I know the feeling of loneliness, I used to have this nagging feeling my chest all through out my childhood, I felt lone like no mater what I did I didn't have a place to belong my life had no meaning and once. COVID hit I had a lot of family die or throw me away like trash and that was my lowest point. I lived with people after that, that I didn't agree with and was contently stressed out all the time. But now that I made the choice to leave it all behind and live with a old friend of mine that is very much like a brother now. my Roommate is always reminding me that am not alone but I am just myself and theirs no reason to change. So thank you Mumei for sharing about your loneliness it has made me reflect on my own loneliness and that if I keep looking forward and live in the moment I won't be alone so thank you Mumei as always, You can't see but am having a hard time not tearing up while typing this. I can't thank you enough for this Mumei and keep being yourself.
I haven't had a friend in 6/7 years now, and it gets really lonely sometimes especially at school. I have had some online friends or people I would talk to online, but I always lost contact or stopped talking with them due to various reasons. So, this song really hit me in the feels and hearing Mumei talk about her experiences with loneliness felt really comforting. It's a reminder that I'm (obviously) not the only one struggling with this.
This made me cry. I really like the Mumei song too but I only listened to it once for now even if I wanted to listen to it again. It just triggers me and I suddenly cry. I don't want to cry around people. I will listen to it again and again of course. It's in my playlist.
Hearing this makes me think a lot about my childhood long ago. I was fortunate to have one single friend who really stuck by me. He was all I had, and there were times in my life where had I not been able to hang out, or chat on aim, or whatever, I might have just curled into a ball and died. He was even quieter than I was, so somehow trying to be the spontaneous one to get reactions out of him made me able to open up to people more in general, and I feel like I became a relatively well adjusted adult as a result. I don't think I could ever say that to his face, but he's the only reason I can be this version of me.
What mumei describes from her personal experience involving loneliness, I can personally relate because I have experienced it before. The differences is my event of loneliness happened long before the covid quarantine. So I was alone during the time when everyone else still have someone to be around. These days I'm a lot less alone. But I found a new sense of loneliness. Being around plenty of people but but not having any sort of connection with them.
Thanks for clipping this. I often miss streams and stuff and clips are kinda just how I keep up. Probably wouldn't have seen this at all if you never took the time to make this ❤.
Even when I'm not into Mumei very much, this song is so relatable, and the MV conveys so much that it's hard not to connect with that feeling and, in a way, with Mumei herself. It's like: "Wow, this girl suffered the same as me. I wish she hadn't." And then, you know she's better now, and you too, probably. And that's the good part. We can't really appreciate company if we never experience the feeling of loneliness.
Something I feel is true is that it goes the other way too. While you wish she hadn't suffered, she knows how much it sucks to be alone, and would wish you don't have to go through it either.
The song is about Mumei, but it’s also about “mumei”. The nameless, the isolated, the alone. It’s a lamplight in the dark to everyone who needs it, a small ember to provide warmth and to show that others have walked down the same tunnel and made it through the other side.
This is so relatable. My social anxiety and other things cause me to overthink everything and think that I’m just gonna get in the way or some other reason. Even at home. I would stay to myself in my room. I couldn’t even imagine talking to people online. I’ve gotten a little better at being social after a few years. I can stand to attend a live or talk to people online, but in person still terrifies me.
COVID was the most connected to my friends I’ve ever been but it started getting lonelier after the fact. COVID was my best year ever and it’s only gone downhill from here.
It's 3 AM and I'm about ready to cry over this video. Everything changed socially over the past few years and it can really screw a guy up. Being able to talk to people IRL (and online) is one thing, but lonliness can still get the better of you in other ways. You can still feel as though you don't fit in, or maybe there is a division you haven't addressed and it eats away at you. Yes, I'm trying to get something off my own chest and this isn't quite the place for it but it's a start.
2:46 yeah for me Covid didn’t change much of anything for me. I always secluded myself inside my house cause I was a afraid of people, because throughout my childhood when at school I was always bullied, women never liked me, I only ever had 1 or 2 friends irl at a time. So I’ve always felt like something must be wrong with me. I still feel that way nowadays
Mumei’s thoughts really spoke to me, too. I was always the person in the corner watching people trying to understand how to integrate because didn’t want to be the center of attention but at least feel part of the group and not alone. I always thought it was just being introvert or extrovert, but learning about the rarely discussed ambivert actually opened my eyes that there was a middle ground. I can talk with anyone now and my time watching others to learn human motivation is an invaluable skill I think only a small percentage of people actually gain. It was a long road for me but my hope is I can teach future generations in my family my own mistakes so they don’t repeat them. “Plant a tree I know I will never sit under to experience the shade” is a great proverb for this.
Loneliness is weird. It is a combination of many things, but one of the things that it rarely is is actually being alone. You can be lonely with friends and family, and you can not feel lonely at all when you're by yourself. It's a mixture of many factors, being stuck and feeling like no one understands you is a major factor. Once you are happy with your own company, able to spend time with just yourself, you find that loneliness is not caused by being alone. Boredom is another major factor.
This is a great video. It's such an important topic and the editing adds so much to her words. It's wholesome to see everyone in the comments lifting each other up.
Thanks for the compliment, it means a lot to me. I definitely agree about the wholesome comments. It's both sad and heartwarming to see people express their loneliness and others relating/wanting to comfort each other.
I've never been the most social person. I have always struggled speaking to people, especially if it's just me and one other person. I had quite a large friend group throughout my 20's but in my 30's they've all drifted away. After my mother passed away 3 years ago it's now just me and my dad. He's starting to get old now and I wonder how much longer he has left. Once he passes away I will truly be alone. I desperately want a wife before then but I can't seehow that's ever going to happen. Everyday I go to work then go home. That is my life.
I've spent so much of my life alone that I stopped feeling lonely. At this point it's a weird thing of I no longer want to be alone and have a great friend group to enjoy, but I'm so used to being alone that it is a struggle to get out of my usual self and go out with them.
As someone who lived with someone suffering from depression... it is really hard to know what is the final straw for them. I had more than my share of discussion where I ended up rejecting or failing to pick up hints that took all the courage and strength she had and more to reach out for help. I cannot sympathize with Moom today because I can never do so, but I can sure feel that feeling Mother Owl must have felt after realizing the fact.
I only have my bike to counter that loneliness, Idk when I'm depressed or felt lonely I just go ride and forget everything. But in the case of Mumie I think you guys are her cure for loneliness because she can interact with all of us and feel there is someone who actually pay attention to what her doing.
Online friends are real friends. I must reiterate this. The times I've felt the the loneliest in life was after I stopped playing minecraft for no particular reason. I used to hang out online in the same server and the people there made my day. But that ended soon enough. Then I started realising how I never really had friends. You never feel lonely until you have made friends. That's the mistake. I would've been duly ignorant if I had not managed to get connections online which I soon lost. So I'll add my take on loneliness. If you've never had any proper friends you think of as such, you won't really ever feel lonely. That's how I experienced it. I used to be bubbly and ignorant, a bit self centred with somewhat of a lack of empathy. I didn't have the total experience of sonder. But I wasn't lonely either, I was just very passive, didn't take initiative to make friends, I sat around, I mostly just acted from the little information I was given in simple manners since I didn't have a goal, so I let my instincts run the show. And I was rather brilliant for a child, so I focused in class all through primary, got good scores and never studied, I just understood the concepts and ran with it(mind you I am rather bad at the part of things like calculations or workings, I just knew WHAT to do and that gave me my advantage). I never drifted off because I slept on time since I hadn't been introduced to the internet yet. I wonder how different I would be if covid didn't wake me up from my ignorance over the course of middle school, it was a time for much change. I went around youtube, I read online articles, I roamed around. I learned and learned, and understood new things. It was a shock. A true absolute shock.
I went to a counsellor after years of trying to get one, and we talked about how I act with others. Attachment styles are an interesting way of looking at how people maintain and pursue relationships, and apparently the way I do things aligns with disorganised detachment, which is the most unpredictable, the hardest to correct, blah blah blah. It makes sense considering I constantly sabotage any chance of human connection despite craving it so badly. I always block people, delete my accounts, skip clubs. I cant eawsily explain why I do, its complicated but it means im always alone. I feel Mumei here. Although im not super anxious, im almost always alone, and quiet. I often was forgotten in groups. I feel like im doomed because of how I am. Im not built for sustainabke healthy human connections, which sucks because those were the ones I have always wanted so badly. I hope I can find friends someday.
You know, for all the talk about vtubers no being "aauthentic" or whaterver the fuck, they seem to be the kind of conten creators I realte to the most.
This is pretty much me I was the shadow, the invisible one and I still am. I'm not a very social person so even if hanging out with a group of "friends" I've always felt out of place and alone just standing or sitting there listening to everyone else talk, I could leave come back an hour later and no one would notice I was gone till I came back, its a small part of why I keep to myself so much that I have no friends IRL or online anymore. I dislike socializing and prefer my solitude tho so it is what it is😐
I haven't even watched the music video yet, but just listening to Mumei describe bits of her life and her perspective on loneliness, it was just so bittersweet ~
As someone who has been lonely for years now, living in a city with no family and no irl friends, I feel this so much. I just hope I can find a found family, like Mumei has. This video made me cryyyy (╥﹏╥)
I used to play this game when I went to skateparks. I would arrive and sit at a bench alone for 10 minutes. No one would talk to me. I would then get up and pretend to suck at skating for another 10 minutes. They would laugh at me, or no one would talk to me. Finally, I would shread on my board and actually skate. Only then did people want to talk to me. It mirrors what the social construct our society lives in through the skatepark. No one cares about you unless you're somebody. It's sad because I only got good by talking to the older dudes who took me under their wing.
Hearing this makes me realize how lucky I was to have people approach me to be friends, back in school. I was always the quiet kid that never talked to anyone, so it left an impression whenever someone would strike up a conversation and become genuine friends over the school years. Those friends are gone now, living their life, but it's a good memory. To this day, I still don't know why they decided to make friends.
I really feel a lot of this. I wish I could be as genuine and matter of fact about it as her. I can't really even bring myself to think about it. As a child I grew up with precocious puberty starting in Kindergarten, which isolated me from my peers and marked me as strange to begin with. This catalyzed my response to life events and by third grade I had serious depression. Between that and my mild ASD I lost a lot of expressiveness which even further alienated me from others. Eventually this all coagulated into just extreme apathy and numbness, which even after treatment has greatly affected my sense of connection to others. And to top it all off now medical issues have isolated me even further. And all I can really manage to do is distract myself from all of it.
I came back to this, and I just realized how lonely I am all along. I have IRL friends and my family constanly contacting me, yet I still feel like I'm in a different world because I'm wearing a mask and no one really understands me. I guess I am mumei all along, hoping to find someone in this sea of loneliness and darkness. I'm back after 10 months relating so hard.
The saddest part of feeling alone is that people feel it even when they aren't. They THINK they are. But they aren't. It's nice when some people realize it's within their power to change that, its something I had to go through myself. The worst thing you can do is pretend like your "different." Pretending like your pain, your loneliness, your fear, is wholly impossible for anyone else to understand is HOW YOU STAY ALONE. Once you realize that others are capable of much greater understanding than you gave them credit for? That's when the world of possibilities starts to open back up for you. People are only ever alone because: they choose to be; refuse to change; or they only ever pursue connections through methods that aren't working for them. Mix it up, put yourself out there and GET UMCOMFORTABLE. Nobody ever grows while "being comfortable" so get used to being uncomfortable and you'll actually have to deal with it less in the long run because experience & success will make the process of trying to connect easier over time AND EVENTUALLY YOU'LL SUCCEED AND NEED TO TRY LESS! ❤ You don't have to be alone. You just gotta commit to putting yourself out there without compromising who you are. 👍
I was very introverted, as a child growing up i slowly became more and more introverted even towards family and other relatives. I would stay quiet and just sit in a corner away from the others, this also affected me heavily during my school years. I met people in my grade school years to which i am still friends with now after 15-16 years. A small group. I've also met my significant other which broke the ice a few years back to be more social towards people. I still sometimes feel alone but i know i'm not totally alone because i have her and a small group of very good friends.
I’ve had such a bad experience with loneliness, I hate to see others deal with it. I’m glad Mumei is getting through this, I know how hard it is. Another reason why she’s one of if not my favorite Hololive vtuber
11:10 this is why I love Hololive. As a viewer, I can feel their bonds and it's just so wholesome. I don't know about other agencies tho because I don't watch them. 12:53 also, I can personally relate to this. I used to have friends back in university but somehow we went our separate ways. It's not like we fight or anything, it just happened that way. And now, I'm just left alone. Sure, I have coworkers in workplace but I don't know if I can count them as "friends".
I think hololive and other vtuber groups allow their employees to really form bonds and become more than just coworkers. Some might not want that kind of thing but I don't think that's the case for Hololive especially
Really, all agencies pull people together in a special way. When a lot of the talents are chronically online former fans, they find some sort of family in the shared experience of being in an agency.
@holonet1 that's true and some former people from at least a certain company seem to hint at some behind the scenes drama. That said I don't know about all agencies as at least the talents put up a good front
I’m still in high school, and when I was in elementary school I got bullied sometimes and that was the first time me and my family discovered I had problems with controlling my anger and feelings. After that happened I shut myself out of a ton of activities and my friends out of fear I would have another emotional outburst and someone could get hurt. I was scared of being alone, but more scared of having the people who loved me become scared or think less of me because of my problems, so I became quiet and kept to myself. My name disappeared and I drifted away from friends. Later on, I made a Discord account and joined a server made by one of the only friends I did have at that point. I felt like I could actually be myself online for once and I for once in years felt like I belonged somewhere. I started joining conversations on Discord and began building confidence again, but then again, I was struck with an emotional outburst in a call while playing games and hurt my friends. But they didn’t think less of me at all or anything, instead they comforted me and let me vent about my issues. They allowed me to continue being myself and love me anyway, and it gave me the confidence to be myself more in person and at school. I started being goofy and expressive at school, talking to people and doing group work. Now I am a Junior and I have a ton of friends at school and online, all of which have seen my good and my bad. We all have our good qualities and our bad qualities, but if you have true friends, then they won’t hate you for having a problem, they’ll help you through it. If you read all this then thank you for listening to my story and hopefully you can find great people like I have if you haven’t already, maybe we could even be friends. And never be afraid to be yourself.
i think thats a common introvert pipeline. you grow up not being social in school so you feel alone and left out and you wish you had lots of friends because thats what the popular kids have. but then you grow older and wiser and realize your being alone can be a blessing. maybe you go to college and try to be more social but you realize you dont have that energy to be around other people all the time, you learn you have that limited social battery. in the end you learn to cherish a couple good friends, and the family that has always been there for you, and you settle in to a life you can enjoy in your own way. a fitting quote; "instead of feeling alone in a group, its better to have real solitude all by yourself." im glad moom has found somewhere to belong and has special people in her life.
Thanks for clipping this.. I relate to this, I kinda experienced the same feel like Mumei did too.. of course not that really same, but it kinda the same for me I'm into this "I am by myself, and I don't know how to change this." right now or for the rest of my life until now, I don't know how to start something and keep blaming my self.. when it come to "can" it has time or draining my spirit to do it, cause I'm lonely and nobody care even in family.. My environment kinda s*ck too but I survive and trying to be kind and best of my self.. also "It's hard to approach in a positive light" sometimes is really true and takes time to cover from that moment.. about the online friend I 100% agree with Mumei, sometimes it feel fun but lonely at the same times, but it's doesn't matter I kinda appreciate the fun and the moment that we have.. sometimes that's all what make me have a courage to do something, have support from online friend and kind random people that give a nice comment.. and hololive.. hololive is very special too for me, it has special place in my heart. I want to talk more about this, but it's all already say it by Mumei in this clip and in Original song Mumei.. secondly, english not my first language and I'm still willing to learn it.. I using broken english to typing this comment lol, thanks for reading this where ever who reading this
i too am like that lack of a presence but its weirder because im a fucking giant, and when people notice me finally they scream lol. my fam says i dont make sounds when i walk, and i breathe almost silently, its like being next to a ghost
This may be the very first video I’ve seen of Micoolman and, I’m glad it was referred on my feed. I got this feeling that I wanna give Micoolman a big hug. A really big hug.
I truly treasure her and this single hit way hard close home, I was a lonely child, I hate it when family had to move because there was a new school, new kids picking on me for not having friends and other stuff like interests, sexuality and likes, there was a really bad time in highschool a teacher picked up on me (this happened all my life though) and I got my first anxiety attack, it felt like i was dying and I felt useless because in highschool you supposed to having good times and so, short long story I tried to erase my existence from the world but I knew I wanted to be able to travel new places, learn new things and experience life even if it hurts, so I changed school again and this time I was able to meet my homies, a bunch of geek nerds that understood me and treated me like a real person, they helped so much, and finally I learnt some other languages and internet started to play a big role in my life too, I'm not fully a social person but I'm really interested in people and social matters so i choose a professional career that let me keep learning human interaction and I've been better (also therapy). When I listened to Mumei it felt like she was singing about me and the song become my absolute favourite thing to play. I hope we, the loners find motivation to keep us in life going and we'll can find people and places to relay on, stay healthy everyone, I appreciate our existence❤.
Being alone or being lonely both suck in their own ways but what i find most worrying is the fact that we live in a time where the internet allows us to communicate with people anywhere on the planet at any time, yet as individuals we've gotten more and more lonely.
I know EXACTLY how she felt. I'm outside and theres hundreds of people around me but you still feel alone especially and covid happening but even before and after was even worse to me personally. It just makes me want to genuinely just hug her. Just because. I haven't heard this mv, but the art looks beautiful, I have to give it a watch!
This is why she's one of my favourite members from HoloEN just because of how much I can relate to her and Im happy that shes living better than before. I also feel like I cant change the crazy situation im in especially with covid increasing my loneliness even more than before.
I also dropped out of college, as I panicked within thr first few months. I went out to a completely new state to live with my family, who while I love, offer very little support for mental help. Pretty much was on my own to find work for a couple years, I had basically no-one until i moved back to my home state, which while great, sucks to be away from family. On top of that i now want to go back to college.
Loneliness is like a warm blanket to me. Sometimes I want to remove the blanket, go outside, learn new things have FUN. But I'm comfortable, I don't want to leave this warmth. I don't want to bother people or waste their time with my silence.
"I am by myself, and I don't know how to change this." Perfectly captures what I'm feeling right now
I’m here for you ❤️
I didn't realize how many people feel this way..
@@gusbunger6494 Youre not alone in thinking that
Reach out my guy. Plenty of lonely people out there who just needs a hand to reach out.
Thanks
"I used to think that the worst thing in life was to end up alone. It's not. The worst thing in life is to end up with people who make you feel alone."
-Robin Williams
And now he's in Hell.
@@Atmo646Damn, Disney ckc sucker spotted
@@Atmo646Well, at least he's not alone. ..... ...
@@holonet1 🗿
@@holonet1lmao
Mumei is a precious owl who's too good for this world.
Hoo’s
i mean she is the representation of this world, humanity. She is exactly what we need.
The only times I have ever truly felt lonely is when I am surrounded by people because it makes me realize how little I mean to everyone.
A lot of those thoughts aren't true. Being adult is the freedom that you don't have to please anyone anymore. All the best
@@unownnnn I totally agree with not having to please anyone and am good with who I am but my comment still applies to how I feel. All the best to you as well!
That just means you still have to find the right people to be with. If you always stay alone, you'll never find them. Keep looking and stay hopeful. You'll find good friends, eventually.
Took me more than 25 years and changing company of friends multiple times.
@@unownnnnwhat about your boss though? i don't think it ends at all once you're an adult.
This is so true. I met this new group of people on discord when COVID started, I felt so connected with these guys. Eventually many of us went on outdoor activities and vacations overseas, but bit by bit they acted like I wasn't part of the bigger picture. From moments of invalidation to straight up being ignored. Over time I became less and less involved, they felt very elitist at times too. Now, a year later, I might as well not exist in their discord because I rarely talk on there anymore.
I'll say I feel like I'm at my loneliest in my life, I'm 23. I'm hopeful that things will get better because I'm so young, but it fucking sucks to lose something you once had hopes in.
As someone who's experienced a similarly lonely childhood, that kind of stuff can really fuck up a person in ways most people don't think including an inability to adapt to social situations and respond to things a normal person would. In spite of all of her weird little mannerisms and entertaining intrusive thoughts, Mumei always struck me as someone I can relate to in that regard and the song really struck a chord with me, and I'm glad I stuck around.
I feel the same way... it's why I mostly only watch her streams.
Oof so that's why it's extra hard for me to learn how to socialize as an adult 🥹😭😭
Yeah now as an adult, it feels almost impossible to make friends and form connections
Same here. I’m in college now and I still don’t understand most social cues or things that people do. Getting overstimulated/overwhelmed easily by people and loud sounds don’t help either
She don't know you lil bro sit down
Solitude is a decision. Loneliness, is not. Even when you're surrounded by people, you can feel lonely. Loneliness is the disconnection from people and the harnessing of the perception that you're not good enough. When you take the alternative mindset (as Mumei points out) of choosing solitude for self-improvement, then you are able to communicate with people better (because you're not hung up on your inadequacies) and you feel a better connection with people, because it's through choice, not a sense of wanting.
omgg this is something i needed to hear, it now makes sense how i felt lonely because i felt inadequate, i will try to self-improve instead, thank you TwT
Most of the time I keep thinking, do I deserve this company? Do I deserve these people? It's painful when these unconscious thoughts flood my mind, and almost take over. My worst characteristic is when, most of the times when I meet new people or when I meet with people I've talked to through social media/contacting apps for the first time my voice just doesn't come out and it's like a painful knot in my throat, it makes me so sad, angry and anxious of myself, why couldn't I say anything? why couldn't I voice out my thoughts? I'm trying to better myself at it and HAVE been making little steps and evolving bit by bit
yes that's it! there's being alone as in being in solitude which is often fine and ok...but then there's being alone as in emotionally alone. Not having anyone to truly connect with sucks
3 elementary schools, 3 middle schools and 2 high schools will do it to ya.
Even now when im at work talkin to my friends, goofing around, telling jokes. Deep inside myself keeps thinking that they are just "coworkers". Outside of work they are nothing, while inside the warehouse we are friends. I blame myself for being super shy and not belong in a group. Being the nomad in highschool jumping between groups of people, just to be considered a stranger. This is 27 year old me still thinking the same after 16 years. feeling alone really sucks, perfected loneliness behind a happy smile and persona.
Honestly, I would say to embrace your connection with those coworkers of yours. Several years ago I used to work in a grocery store, stocking the shelves overnight; a few of my coworkers and I eventually started playing games together. That was some of the most fun I’ve had in a long time, and it continued even after we’d all left that job and gone our separate ways. In the past year those relationships have dropped off as I’ve been fighting to make ends meet and haven’t had time to hang out with them to maintain the friendship; but we’re all on good terms and I hope to reignite the relationships once I’ve got my feet under me again.
If you like these people you work with, don’t hesitate to let them further into your life.
Being the group hopper is so relatable. It’s like I fit in everywhere and nowhere at the same time. When really I just want a group of my own.
Mumei is such a mood... Thank you for the clip!
Moodmei
Alone in a crowd is the worst. But we love ya Anonymous Nameless.
The worst kinds of loneliness are when you're surrounded by a lot of friends and family and yet still feel isolated is horrific, and credit to Mumei; it takes a lot of strength to be able to speak about her experiences and to be able to find the words to describe it in a way people listening can understand.
I experience this many times, it's so hard at times.. man..
I love that the girls are able to express themselves through their music in a very artistic and symbolic or meaningful way but also not to completely restrict it to their individualization but rather allow the viewers to put themselves in their shoes and find points in which they related to the theme and message being portrayed. It's very wholesome and a beautiful thing. These girls are such beautiful souls really.
I think the reason why I like Mumei is that I see so much of myself in her. I was the shadow in a hoodie. I was alone most of school until I got a friend group, but after graduation it's been so incredibly lonely again because everyone left town, except me. I've struggled with lonliness and social anxiety all my life.
Also our personalities are so similar at times that it honestly scares me. Like, is she me?
This is the most real, grounded video I’ve have seen in a while. No cuts or edits, just a person talking to many others. There is no filter here, it’s real. This is when Mumei isn’t a content creator, but human like all of us. ❤
when you are lonely, you start really appreciating the value of friends, of people that can and are willing to understand you, to comfort you.
You may have a lot of people around you, talking to you, but you may still be lonely.
That part where Mumei said it takes up 90% of your life is exactly why Gura keeps taking breaks. All of Myth probably has hard burnout, especially since they led the way for others.
In Gura’s case, I feel like being the #1 Vtuber in terms of subscribers put a lot more pressure on her too. In some ways, it probably felt like everyone looked to her to set the bar for everyone else, which also made her an easy target for criticism too
I don’t envy her position, since I know she’s mentioned that despite being grateful for the subs, she’d probably be happier if she wasn’t #1 😕
@@lildyo That's kinda the feeling I get, too.
I hope gura Will be able to overcome This, we Will def be here to support when she do need it
One of the nice things about streaming is you can simply cut back, but part of a corp like this? You keep working... It's your job, and you can't just take your character and go away.
@@RobinTheBot Indie streamers take a bigger hit to their success if they let up on the gas even slightly because they don't have other gen mates to fill the void while still keeping them relevant through association, it's all on the content they can put out as an individual. But being part of a group brings with it the pressure - whether external, internal, or both - not to be that kind of burden.
I always struggle with maintaining irl friendships because, I don't know how to maintain or make them. My friends always comes from school, a common environment, and I struggle keeping in touch with people from there because we usually don't have the same interests. Making friends online is also a struggle because I don't know how to really position myself to be out there, I'm friendly but not outgoing, gosh I'm just a mess lol.
My interests has always been around music, internet culture and vtubers (of course). I found a friend that's into the other two and I will confidently say that I won't let this drift away, I find it really good to have someone to talk about the most random topics with me, even now we graduated and have separated into an online friendship, we're still keeping touch. Safe to say that I would definitely be less lonely if I learn how to make friends online, especially when I was a little younger. I'm feeling this 'alone in the crowd' sort of loneliness now.
Mumei hits the feels like not many people do. I feel like a total dweeb admitting she is someone I really resonate with, but I will never get to truly know or meet.
same ;-;
As someone who is going through the exact same college story she had, it really made me feel this weird kind of sad but happy clarity. I haven't emotionally cried in years and I'm crying as I write this
Don't worry, it's the same as connecting emotionally with any other form of entertainment, just this one has an actual level of back-and-forth interaction
Yagoo said before : he created Hololive to give voiceless girls a voice, and empower them through the use of virtual avatars.
What he created is a safe space for these broken girls to be somebody. To be somebody to someone else. Damn.
That's why he's Best girl and the Yagoat.
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@@Therealbigsaya L take
Dont know about "broken girls" they all had either their own channels pre-hololive or some other carrier in social media/music/drawing. So they had something going on for them, even if not nearly as recognizable. Hololive I think really evaluates experience. And unfortunately I dont think it is a safe place for them, but yeah I am happy for them. They deserve appreciation and support.
What...@@Therealbigsaya
I relate to her heavily. I've been in my lowest point of my life for more than 5 years. My friends left me, and now I'm fighting alone. Vtubers are ones of the many reasons I still keep going. Mumei made me realize that I'm not the only one fighting alone.
I'm in a friend group of people who have known each other since they were kids, and I remember back then I used to hate when their other friends (who I personally don't know) would join our outings because it really made me feel like an outsider. My thoughts were like "I am surrounded by people, but I feel alone" kind of like I was an outsider and I didn't belong. Because of this during the pandemic I took a month off social media to just reflect and like Mumei said, choosing solitude to improve yourself does help sometimes because it made me get rid of that mindset, although sometimes it does come back and I just think about how I probably shouldn't be here or that I'm invading a group I clearly don't belong in.
Being alone isn't a bad thing, it's FEELING along that messes you up.
Making someome feel like they are an outsider is the worst.
I used to have this frd grp of 4 including me. One time we were going to my place for a gathering. On our way, the 2 of them met a frd of theirs. They got rlly excited and started screaming and taking selfies in the middle of a crosswalk. Me and the other girl was just left aside. It. Was. So. Freakin. Awkward.
gosh, as someone who grew up autistic and didn't know for years, her story really hits home. being alone surrounded by people and the frustration of wanting to talk but not being able to. mumei 💗
Gotta admit i cried to this. She said everything im feeling rn that i cant put into words. Im at the point of my life where I notice i dont actually have anyone im close with everywhere i go. Someone i could just talk to or have fun with. I had a discussion w my parents about how i hate being at home but couldnt quite explain it to them that although im around my family, i still feel alone and out of place. I didnt actually thought my feelings were valid for the sole reason i couldnt put them into words,so mumei really helped me in expressing that.
Just hoping everything goes well from here on out.
Honestly going through something similar now with loneliness, and I'm struggling with my life right now. And knowing this is an experience Mumei went through and got past it really gives me hope.
But right now it's hard to get anywhere and each night I have thoughts that go to my head that I don't want.
When she brought up being lonely around people... That really did make me realize how much I'm going through and how I don't want a feeling like this anymore. A feeling I've had for a while now
If it helps, you are not alone in this feeling and experience. I too am going through one of the roughest periods in my life. But the Owl, the Rat, The Reaper, The Ina, The Fauna, all of them, help me at least with coping through it.
Try to get out of the house/apartment and go for walks, if it is safe to do so for you. It really helps.
And finding an online community is a good start to combating loneliness.
I wish you all the best and I mean that.
Hey, i know that I'm just a floating bunch of words, but i just want to tell you that you're never alone. as long as you're still in this community, we're still like one big family, you know?
Whatever struggling you're going through, i hope you succeed in the end, gather your courage, and speak up your mind to others. Don't let what hurt you keep hurting you.
And if you ever feel lonely again, feel free to come back here anytime.
@@chrisvighagen thank you so much, and I do use Promise (council) as a means not to feel lonely in that moment. Bae earlier had an unarchived karaoke and it helped.
And I want to try with the community, but some I’ve tried to go into left me a bit scared so it feels hard.
@@RoamingSimp does feel nice to know that the community is a very nice one. I know we can mess around with the talents, but we do mean well at the end.
I’ll try and say more about it, but hard to reach out as of now. But again, I do want to try
@@chrisvighagenhow does one "find" a community though? I have several interests (like vtubers and games) but never found anyone to talk about it, I'm just enjoying these things alone so far.
Mumei is a treasure for this community.
holy fuck 3:04 ...did mumei drop out of college? and was part of it because of loneliness? If she did, I can relate so damn much. I graduated from high school and quickly realized just how few friends I actually had and how most were just acquaintances. I went from hanging out before school and eating lunch with a group of like 10-15 people to having no one. Most moved away to go to other schools and the ones at my college I wasn't that close too. I got so depressed and ended up dropping out. I'm way better off now but holy fuck was that time hard.
I feel that. I have my mom and friends online but it's been a long time since I graduated and I've still not done anything and don't have any idea of what I even would WANT to do. I just go day by day, waiting for something. It makes me feel less alone knowing that someone who is such a big inspiration to me feels similarly. It is healthy to have a balance of friendships. Online and IRL friendships are both amazing and should be cherished.
I completely get it, I’ve been in the same boat for several years. I think I’ve finally found a direction for my life, but it definitely wasn’t as easy as “graduate highschool go to 4-year college graduate college enter $120k career in aviation”. I started down that path, it didn’t work out. I’ve looked at a few other career options and those weren’t quite what I was looking for either.
All this time, I’ve been absorbing knowledge about everything I possibly could, from aviation to video editing to security work to all things PC-related. It finally came together when one of my relatives made a casual remark about cybersecurity, which has become my current focus and only looks better for me the more I dig into it.
For you, the answer may be a totally different path than what I found… it’ll be shaped by your life experiences. So take those experiences and what skills you have now, combine them with every life goal you’ve had in the past and present, and see what sort of career could use those skills. All those goals stem from aspects of who you are, so they’ll all point in a general direction. The first thing you hit on might still not be what’s right for you, but having a direction to at least start searching for your purpose will greatly benefit you.
Loneliness is my existence. I blame diverse mature content exposure from early age. It makes me fit to everyone, but then i realize no one fit to me. It is a melancholy feeling that i learned to cope with tea and jazz
Mumei is just like me fr when she said that she feel lonely even with family around and have everything by her own thats feel suck my eyes gonna burst out😢 you didn't alone mumei ❤❤❤
I used to have a friend who tell me about his loneliness and how after meet our group of friends everything change for him, I still miss my buddy.
Can you not contact him any more?
@@marcelberes469 he left this world in an accident
@@bryanbac6322sorry for your loss
I know the feeling of loneliness, I used to have this nagging feeling my chest all through out my childhood, I felt lone like no mater what I did I didn't have a place to belong my life had no meaning and once. COVID hit I had a lot of family die or throw me away like trash and that was my lowest point. I lived with people after that, that I didn't agree with and was contently stressed out all the time. But now that I made the choice to leave it all behind and live with a old friend of mine that is very much like a brother now. my Roommate is always reminding me that am not alone but I am just myself and theirs no reason to change. So thank you Mumei for sharing about your loneliness it has made me reflect on my own loneliness and that if I keep looking forward and live in the moment I won't be alone so thank you Mumei as always, You can't see but am having a hard time not tearing up while typing this. I can't thank you enough for this Mumei and keep being yourself.
I haven't had a friend in 6/7 years now, and it gets really lonely sometimes especially at school. I have had some online friends or people I would talk to online, but I always lost contact or stopped talking with them due to various reasons. So, this song really hit me in the feels and hearing Mumei talk about her experiences with loneliness felt really comforting. It's a reminder that I'm (obviously) not the only one struggling with this.
This made me cry. I really like the Mumei song too but I only listened to it once for now even if I wanted to listen to it again. It just triggers me and I suddenly cry. I don't want to cry around people. I will listen to it again and again of course. It's in my playlist.
Cry on my 3rd listen and even watching reactions vid still made me cry thank you Mumei ❤
I can relate with so much things she said, I will always describe Mumei as the free spirit of hololive very unique individual
Hearing this makes me think a lot about my childhood long ago. I was fortunate to have one single friend who really stuck by me. He was all I had, and there were times in my life where had I not been able to hang out, or chat on aim, or whatever, I might have just curled into a ball and died. He was even quieter than I was, so somehow trying to be the spontaneous one to get reactions out of him made me able to open up to people more in general, and I feel like I became a relatively well adjusted adult as a result. I don't think I could ever say that to his face, but he's the only reason I can be this version of me.
What mumei describes from her personal experience involving loneliness, I can personally relate because I have experienced it before. The differences is my event of loneliness happened long before the covid quarantine. So I was alone during the time when everyone else still have someone to be around. These days I'm a lot less alone. But I found a new sense of loneliness. Being around plenty of people but but not having any sort of connection with them.
Thanks for clipping this. I often miss streams and stuff and clips are kinda just how I keep up. Probably wouldn't have seen this at all if you never took the time to make this ❤.
Thanks. It does mean a lot to receive comments like yours ❤
Even when I'm not into Mumei very much, this song is so relatable, and the MV conveys so much that it's hard not to connect with that feeling and, in a way, with Mumei herself. It's like: "Wow, this girl suffered the same as me. I wish she hadn't." And then, you know she's better now, and you too, probably. And that's the good part. We can't really appreciate company if we never experience the feeling of loneliness.
Something I feel is true is that it goes the other way too. While you wish she hadn't suffered, she knows how much it sucks to be alone, and would wish you don't have to go through it either.
Hope u can get friend
The song is about Mumei, but it’s also about “mumei”. The nameless, the isolated, the alone. It’s a lamplight in the dark to everyone who needs it, a small ember to provide warmth and to show that others have walked down the same tunnel and made it through the other side.
great interpretation, I was getting that interpretation but couldn't word it well
"Mu" means "nothing" in japanese and "Mei" means "without" in chinese.
This is so relatable. My social anxiety and other things cause me to overthink everything and think that I’m just gonna get in the way or some other reason. Even at home. I would stay to myself in my room. I couldn’t even imagine talking to people online.
I’ve gotten a little better at being social after a few years. I can stand to attend a live or talk to people online, but in person still terrifies me.
COVID was the most connected to my friends I’ve ever been but it started getting lonelier after the fact. COVID was my best year ever and it’s only gone downhill from here.
It's 3 AM and I'm about ready to cry over this video. Everything changed socially over the past few years and it can really screw a guy up. Being able to talk to people IRL (and online) is one thing, but lonliness can still get the better of you in other ways. You can still feel as though you don't fit in, or maybe there is a division you haven't addressed and it eats away at you.
Yes, I'm trying to get something off my own chest and this isn't quite the place for it but it's a start.
2:46 yeah for me Covid didn’t change much of anything for me. I always secluded myself inside my house cause I was a afraid of people, because throughout my childhood when at school I was always bullied, women never liked me, I only ever had 1 or 2 friends irl at a time. So I’ve always felt like something must be wrong with me. I still feel that way nowadays
Mumei’s thoughts really spoke to me, too. I was always the person in the corner watching people trying to understand how to integrate because didn’t want to be the center of attention but at least feel part of the group and not alone. I always thought it was just being introvert or extrovert, but learning about the rarely discussed ambivert actually opened my eyes that there was a middle ground. I can talk with anyone now and my time watching others to learn human motivation is an invaluable skill I think only a small percentage of people actually gain. It was a long road for me but my hope is I can teach future generations in my family my own mistakes so they don’t repeat them. “Plant a tree I know I will never sit under to experience the shade” is a great proverb for this.
Loneliness is weird. It is a combination of many things, but one of the things that it rarely is is actually being alone. You can be lonely with friends and family, and you can not feel lonely at all when you're by yourself. It's a mixture of many factors, being stuck and feeling like no one understands you is a major factor. Once you are happy with your own company, able to spend time with just yourself, you find that loneliness is not caused by being alone. Boredom is another major factor.
This is a great video. It's such an important topic and the editing adds so much to her words. It's wholesome to see everyone in the comments lifting each other up.
Thanks for the compliment, it means a lot to me.
I definitely agree about the wholesome comments. It's both sad and heartwarming to see people express their loneliness and others relating/wanting to comfort each other.
@@Micoolman it's one of the most unique video comment sections I've seen in a long time. Well-done
I've never been the most social person. I have always struggled speaking to people, especially if it's just me and one other person. I had quite a large friend group throughout my 20's but in my 30's they've all drifted away. After my mother passed away 3 years ago it's now just me and my dad. He's starting to get old now and I wonder how much longer he has left. Once he passes away I will truly be alone. I desperately want a wife before then but I can't seehow that's ever going to happen. Everyday I go to work then go home. That is my life.
It's rough, hits you when you hit 30+ that a lot has changed and you're not immortal nor are the few who care about you...
あれはMumeiの歌だけど、同時に私たちの心に寄り添った歌でもある
最高の作品をありがとう
She always makes me feel better, knowing I’m not alone with this feeling, it helps a lot.
We humans do need each other and it's tough sometimes to remember that little fact.
Mumei is probably the most relatable member i think. Knew she was special from the start.
I've spent so much of my life alone that I stopped feeling lonely. At this point it's a weird thing of I no longer want to be alone and have a great friend group to enjoy, but I'm so used to being alone that it is a struggle to get out of my usual self and go out with them.
As someone who lived with someone suffering from depression... it is really hard to know what is the final straw for them. I had more than my share of discussion where I ended up rejecting or failing to pick up hints that took all the courage and strength she had and more to reach out for help. I cannot sympathize with Moom today because I can never do so, but I can sure feel that feeling Mother Owl must have felt after realizing the fact.
i miss mumei 🥹
She’ll be back soon!
🥰
Having no connection to the people who surround you sucks. Being lonely when you're not alone is isolating.
10:00 Being friends with colleagues is good, but there are more stable foundations.
Yet another reason why I love watching Mumei so much
Aw… poor Mooms. We know you dislike hugs, but we can all give you an air hug.
I only have my bike to counter that loneliness, Idk when I'm depressed or felt lonely I just go ride and forget everything. But in the case of Mumie I think you guys are her cure for loneliness because she can interact with all of us and feel there is someone who actually pay attention to what her doing.
Online friends are real friends. I must reiterate this. The times I've felt the the loneliest in life was after I stopped playing minecraft for no particular reason. I used to hang out online in the same server and the people there made my day. But that ended soon enough. Then I started realising how I never really had friends. You never feel lonely until you have made friends. That's the mistake. I would've been duly ignorant if I had not managed to get connections online which I soon lost.
So I'll add my take on loneliness. If you've never had any proper friends you think of as such, you won't really ever feel lonely. That's how I experienced it. I used to be bubbly and ignorant, a bit self centred with somewhat of a lack of empathy. I didn't have the total experience of sonder. But I wasn't lonely either, I was just very passive, didn't take initiative to make friends, I sat around, I mostly just acted from the little information I was given in simple manners since I didn't have a goal, so I let my instincts run the show. And I was rather brilliant for a child, so I focused in class all through primary, got good scores and never studied, I just understood the concepts and ran with it(mind you I am rather bad at the part of things like calculations or workings, I just knew WHAT to do and that gave me my advantage). I never drifted off because I slept on time since I hadn't been introduced to the internet yet.
I wonder how different I would be if covid didn't wake me up from my ignorance over the course of middle school, it was a time for much change. I went around youtube, I read online articles, I roamed around. I learned and learned, and understood new things. It was a shock. A true absolute shock.
I went to a counsellor after years of trying to get one, and we talked about how I act with others. Attachment styles are an interesting way of looking at how people maintain and pursue relationships, and apparently the way I do things aligns with disorganised detachment, which is the most unpredictable, the hardest to correct, blah blah blah. It makes sense considering I constantly sabotage any chance of human connection despite craving it so badly. I always block people, delete my accounts, skip clubs. I cant eawsily explain why I do, its complicated but it means im always alone.
I feel Mumei here. Although im not super anxious, im almost always alone, and quiet. I often was forgotten in groups. I feel like im doomed because of how I am. Im not built for sustainabke healthy human connections, which sucks because those were the ones I have always wanted so badly. I hope I can find friends someday.
I think I start to like this bird because of your clip. Thank you.
One must imagine Mumei happy.
I lost my best friend…he committed suicide…it’s not great.
I appreciate you taking about this
You know, for all the talk about vtubers no being "aauthentic" or whaterver the fuck, they seem to be the kind of conten creators I realte to the most.
This is pretty much me I was the shadow, the invisible one and I still am.
I'm not a very social person so even if hanging out with a group of "friends" I've always felt out of place and alone just standing or sitting there listening to everyone else talk, I could leave come back an hour later and no one would notice I was gone till I came back, its a small part of why I keep to myself so much that I have no friends IRL or online anymore. I dislike socializing and prefer my solitude tho so it is what it is😐
I haven't even watched the music video yet, but just listening to Mumei describe bits of her life and her perspective on loneliness, it was just so bittersweet ~
As someone who has been lonely for years now, living in a city with no family and no irl friends, I feel this so much.
I just hope I can find a found family, like Mumei has.
This video made me cryyyy (╥﹏╥)
I hope you find what you are looking for someday
I used to play this game when I went to skateparks.
I would arrive and sit at a bench alone for 10 minutes. No one would talk to me.
I would then get up and pretend to suck at skating for another 10 minutes. They would laugh at me, or no one would talk to me.
Finally, I would shread on my board and actually skate. Only then did people want to talk to me.
It mirrors what the social construct our society lives in through the skatepark. No one cares about you unless you're somebody.
It's sad because I only got good by talking to the older dudes who took me under their wing.
Hearing this makes me realize how lucky I was to have people approach me to be friends, back in school. I was always the quiet kid that never talked to anyone, so it left an impression whenever someone would strike up a conversation and become genuine friends over the school years. Those friends are gone now, living their life, but it's a good memory. To this day, I still don't know why they decided to make friends.
I really feel a lot of this. I wish I could be as genuine and matter of fact about it as her. I can't really even bring myself to think about it. As a child I grew up with precocious puberty starting in Kindergarten, which isolated me from my peers and marked me as strange to begin with. This catalyzed my response to life events and by third grade I had serious depression. Between that and my mild ASD I lost a lot of expressiveness which even further alienated me from others. Eventually this all coagulated into just extreme apathy and numbness, which even after treatment has greatly affected my sense of connection to others. And to top it all off now medical issues have isolated me even further. And all I can really manage to do is distract myself from all of it.
I came back to this, and I just realized how lonely I am all along. I have IRL friends and my family constanly contacting me, yet I still feel like I'm in a different world because I'm wearing a mask and no one really understands me. I guess I am mumei all along, hoping to find someone in this sea of loneliness and darkness. I'm back after 10 months relating so hard.
watching literally all of my friends fade away.....has been painful 😢😢
The saddest part of feeling alone is that people feel it even when they aren't. They THINK they are. But they aren't. It's nice when some people realize it's within their power to change that, its something I had to go through myself. The worst thing you can do is pretend like your "different."
Pretending like your pain, your loneliness, your fear, is wholly impossible for anyone else to understand is HOW YOU STAY ALONE. Once you realize that others are capable of much greater understanding than you gave them credit for? That's when the world of possibilities starts to open back up for you.
People are only ever alone because: they choose to be; refuse to change; or they only ever pursue connections through methods that aren't working for them. Mix it up, put yourself out there and GET UMCOMFORTABLE. Nobody ever grows while "being comfortable" so get used to being uncomfortable and you'll actually have to deal with it less in the long run because experience & success will make the process of trying to connect easier over time AND EVENTUALLY YOU'LL SUCCEED AND NEED TO TRY LESS! ❤
You don't have to be alone. You just gotta commit to putting yourself out there without compromising who you are. 👍
Now I can understand why this song is too emotional. It was written for it...
I was very introverted, as a child growing up i slowly became more and more introverted even towards family and other relatives. I would stay quiet and just sit in a corner away from the others, this also affected me heavily during my school years. I met people in my grade school years to which i am still friends with now after 15-16 years. A small group. I've also met my significant other which broke the ice a few years back to be more social towards people.
I still sometimes feel alone but i know i'm not totally alone because i have her and a small group of very good friends.
Cute baby Moom didn't got rejected, she decided to reject the world.
I’ve had such a bad experience with loneliness, I hate to see others deal with it. I’m glad Mumei is getting through this, I know how hard it is. Another reason why she’s one of if not my favorite Hololive vtuber
Online connections are great, but IRL ones are the ones that can actually help you when life kicks your legs out from under you.
Some of the loneliest i've ever been was surrounded by other people.
11:10 this is why I love Hololive. As a viewer, I can feel their bonds and it's just so wholesome. I don't know about other agencies tho because I don't watch them.
12:53 also, I can personally relate to this. I used to have friends back in university but somehow we went our separate ways. It's not like we fight or anything, it just happened that way. And now, I'm just left alone. Sure, I have coworkers in workplace but I don't know if I can count them as "friends".
I think hololive and other vtuber groups allow their employees to really form bonds and become more than just coworkers. Some might not want that kind of thing but I don't think that's the case for Hololive especially
Really, all agencies pull people together in a special way. When a lot of the talents are chronically online former fans, they find some sort of family in the shared experience of being in an agency.
Well, we're only on the outside looking in. We don't about all the behind the scenes things.
@holonet1 that's true and some former people from at least a certain company seem to hint at some behind the scenes drama. That said I don't know about all agencies as at least the talents put up a good front
I’m still in high school, and when I was in elementary school I got bullied sometimes and that was the first time me and my family discovered I had problems with controlling my anger and feelings. After that happened I shut myself out of a ton of activities and my friends out of fear I would have another emotional outburst and someone could get hurt. I was scared of being alone, but more scared of having the people who loved me become scared or think less of me because of my problems, so I became quiet and kept to myself. My name disappeared and I drifted away from friends. Later on, I made a Discord account and joined a server made by one of the only friends I did have at that point. I felt like I could actually be myself online for once and I for once in years felt like I belonged somewhere. I started joining conversations on Discord and began building confidence again, but then again, I was struck with an emotional outburst in a call while playing games and hurt my friends. But they didn’t think less of me at all or anything, instead they comforted me and let me vent about my issues. They allowed me to continue being myself and love me anyway, and it gave me the confidence to be myself more in person and at school. I started being goofy and expressive at school, talking to people and doing group work. Now I am a Junior and I have a ton of friends at school and online, all of which have seen my good and my bad. We all have our good qualities and our bad qualities, but if you have true friends, then they won’t hate you for having a problem, they’ll help you through it. If you read all this then thank you for listening to my story and hopefully you can find great people like I have if you haven’t already, maybe we could even be friends. And never be afraid to be yourself.
i think thats a common introvert pipeline. you grow up not being social in school so you feel alone and left out and you wish you had lots of friends because thats what the popular kids have. but then you grow older and wiser and realize your being alone can be a blessing. maybe you go to college and try to be more social but you realize you dont have that energy to be around other people all the time, you learn you have that limited social battery. in the end you learn to cherish a couple good friends, and the family that has always been there for you, and you settle in to a life you can enjoy in your own way.
a fitting quote; "instead of feeling alone in a group, its better to have real solitude all by yourself."
im glad moom has found somewhere to belong and has special people in her life.
Thanks for clipping this..
I relate to this, I kinda experienced the same feel like Mumei did too.. of course not that really same, but it kinda the same for me
I'm into this "I am by myself, and I don't know how to change this." right now or for the rest of my life until now, I don't know how to start something and keep blaming my self.. when it come to "can" it has time or draining my spirit to do it, cause I'm lonely and nobody care even in family.. My environment kinda s*ck too but I survive and trying to be kind and best of my self..
also "It's hard to approach in a positive light" sometimes is really true and takes time to cover from that moment..
about the online friend I 100% agree with Mumei, sometimes it feel fun but lonely at the same times, but it's doesn't matter I kinda appreciate the fun and the moment that we have.. sometimes that's all what make me have a courage to do something, have support from online friend and kind random people that give a nice comment..
and hololive.. hololive is very special too for me, it has special place in my heart.
I want to talk more about this, but it's all already say it by Mumei in this clip and in Original song Mumei..
secondly, english not my first language and I'm still willing to learn it.. I using broken english to typing this comment lol, thanks for reading this where ever who reading this
Dude, why did this give me an existential crisis, lol.
My eyes are leaking. But seriously, so precious.
i too am like that lack of a presence but its weirder because im a fucking giant, and when people notice me finally they scream lol. my fam says i dont make sounds when i walk, and i breathe almost silently, its like being next to a ghost
I think Mumei's "Civilization Duities" were her time at college. Dropping out and all that stuff is a decision not everyone is brave enough to do.
This may be the very first video I’ve seen of Micoolman and, I’m glad it was referred on my feed. I got this feeling that I wanna give Micoolman a big hug. A really big hug.
I truly treasure her and this single hit way hard close home, I was a lonely child, I hate it when family had to move because there was a new school, new kids picking on me for not having friends and other stuff like interests, sexuality and likes, there was a really bad time in highschool a teacher picked up on me (this happened all my life though) and I got my first anxiety attack, it felt like i was dying and I felt useless because in highschool you supposed to having good times and so, short long story I tried to erase my existence from the world but I knew I wanted to be able to travel new places, learn new things and experience life even if it hurts, so I changed school again and this time I was able to meet my homies, a bunch of geek nerds that understood me and treated me like a real person, they helped so much, and finally I learnt some other languages and internet started to play a big role in my life too, I'm not fully a social person but I'm really interested in people and social matters so i choose a professional career that let me keep learning human interaction and I've been better (also therapy). When I listened to Mumei it felt like she was singing about me and the song become my absolute favourite thing to play. I hope we, the loners find motivation to keep us in life going and we'll can find people and places to relay on, stay healthy everyone, I appreciate our existence❤.
The lonliness, I completely understand how that feels. Especially lonliness in a room of people. Its hard..
Thank you very much for this clip, I needed that
its impressive how personal and intimate she seems without actually saying any personal or intimate details about her life so i cant feel bad.
Sometimes I feel like mumei is depressed and I get worried about her
Being alone or being lonely both suck in their own ways but what i find most worrying is the fact that we live in a time where the internet allows us to communicate with people anywhere on the planet at any time, yet as individuals we've gotten more and more lonely.
I know EXACTLY how she felt.
I'm outside and theres hundreds of people around me but you still feel alone especially and covid happening but even before and after was even worse to me personally. It just makes me want to genuinely just hug her. Just because. I haven't heard this mv, but the art looks beautiful, I have to give it a watch!
Hololive is more than a job, it's a way of life......
I know how she feels. It is a horrible feeling. I am still going through it actually
This is why she's one of my favourite members from HoloEN just because of how much I can relate to her and Im happy that shes living better than before. I also feel like I cant change the crazy situation im in especially with covid increasing my loneliness even more than before.
I also dropped out of college, as I panicked within thr first few months. I went out to a completely new state to live with my family, who while I love, offer very little support for mental help. Pretty much was on my own to find work for a couple years, I had basically no-one until i moved back to my home state, which while great, sucks to be away from family. On top of that i now want to go back to college.
Loneliness is like a warm blanket to me. Sometimes I want to remove the blanket, go outside, learn new things have FUN. But I'm comfortable, I don't want to leave this warmth. I don't want to bother people or waste their time with my silence.