In Canada the government issued pins (badges) to men who had tried to volunteer but had been refused on medical grounds to prevent them from being given white feathers.
It was seen as a badge of honour and not a disgrace as it showed to all that you had tried. to volunteer but your service had been refused for something beyond your own control. In the mindset of the time, you had done your duty and therefore it was a bigger disgrace to be falsely accused of not trying. You have to remember that Albert Ball was white feathered whilst walking through London wearing a suit rather than a uniform, after having received a Victoria Cross.
In Canada some men were expelled from their towns and rejected by their families because they chose to enlist while the religious faith of their community forbade them to serve in the military.
Small correction there, the "canaries'" skin was not turned yellow by sulfur. Nor was it sulfuric acid, even though it did say so on Wikipedia until a moment ago. That's TNT or nitric acid which will react with a protein in the skin named keratin. Sulfur, even though it may be yellow, does not stain the skin and wasn't used so much in munitions of that age any more anyway.
My Grandparents co-worker, works with Sulfur(acid). He’s been working with it for almost his whole lifetime, and his hands and forearms have a yellow tint. I’m pretty sure your skin does turn a yellow tone after playing around with Sulfur for a very long time. I do I think for your skin to turn a yellow turn, it has to be at least 30, or more years.
"...It should be known that they were seen as cheap, easily replaceable labor" Well that sounds just like how troops on the front were being treated. Score one for equality between the genders.
I knew I shouldn't go to the comments. It's just a video on what women did in the war. No one is saying men had it easy in the war. I've always wondered what happened to woman in the war this was interesting thanks 😊
+Jayne Veidt That's how natural selection works. A smart guy would just collect all the feathers and wait until women come back begging after all the fools get maimed and killed.
***** When the draft was introduced they probably didn't bother with their shaming techniques anymore. Plus a smart guy could always get cancer or be hit by meteorite so why bother to try to survive at all.
+Kavetrol you need as many fighters for your country as possible. if not before you know it, the fight will be on your doorstep and you'll either be dead or speaking German.
No, not until 1916. And they had to be trained. It was not until 1917 that large numbers of conscripts were in the line. The majority of soldiers shot for desertion or cowardice in the British Army had been conscripted. They never wanted to be there. The Germans in WW1 were not as harsh on desertion as the British. Germany was used to conscript armies and took it for granted that a certain number of conscripted soldiers were going to be very opposed to being there. They were more prone to send deserters back to their units with a warning to their officers and NCOs to keep an eye on them. Whereas the British carried on the attitudes of a volunteer army even after conscription was introduced, and shot a proportionately high number of deserters.
Concerning participation of women in the WW1 in Russia: before the February Revolution of 1917 every single woman could take part in action only by a special czar's permit. Some of women were decorated with the highest Russian military order at that time - St.George Cross, 4 of them were decorated even twice. Some of women fought under male names. Bochkareva's bataglion was indeed formed after the February Revolution. It was not the only women only units. There formed 4 bataglions and a couple of other units, but only Bochkareva's bataglion took part in real action. Because its losses were heavy starting from 14 August 1917 Chief Commander General Kornilov issued the order that women death bataglions could only perform auxilliary services, no direct combat. A company from one of those women death bataglions took part in defence of the Winter Palace, residence of the Interim Government, when it was stormed by the Bolsheviks on 25th October (07th November) 1917. All women units were disbanded on 30 November 1917.
Participation of women in the Army became a massive deal in the Soviet Russia. My grandmother was admitted to Kiev military college of communicatons in 1932, which she graduated in 1936. She was the first woman in that college's graduation of cadets and got the rank of Lieutenant. In 1941 and 1942 she was an instructor, teaching soldier how to use communication equipment. My grandmother took part in military action in 1943-1944 as deputy chief of staff of communication bataglion in 39th Army. She that time she was rewarded with two Red Star orders and a number of medals and got promoted to Major. Her husband was a cadet from the same class in Kiev military college of communications. They served together in the same regiment. When the war began in 1941 my grandfather was sent to the front (unlike my grandmother, who was sent to a training team in the rears). He got missing on October 02nd 1941.
I think you should have mentioned Milunka Savić, bearer of numerous awards for her actions in The Great War. She should be the only fighting woman to receive the French Cross of War.
That would make for a very interesting episode. Still, many pacifists found "other ways" to participate-even on the front lines. www.historylearningsite.co.uk/pacifists_world_war_one.htm There are movies like *The Four Feathers* (2002, Heath Ledger) which dramatize this part of the story. * _spelling_
New Zealand and Australia had a group full of objectors known as Co's who were treated terribly by the British Army. They were sent out with the conscripts and/or volunteers to Europe. They were imprisoned and some of them were tortured into fighting against their own beliefs and fighting a war they hated.
A brilliant episode indeed Indy, but please do not forget Italian women. One of them, Maria Plozner Mentil, killed on the February 1916 by an Ausrto-Hungarian sniper while bringing ammos to the first line, in the Alps, was awarded (very late, in 1997) of the highest military Italian reward: the Golden Medal to the Military Valor for her sacrifice. Keep on going, you're doing a great job! Greetings from Italy.
Some British miners joined up (not so many - mining was a "reserved occupation" because digging coal was vital for the war effort) and a few were captured by the Germans and put to work digging coal in German mines. They noticed that the German mines had safer conditions than the ones back home.
I am surprised that there was no mention of comfort women. Everything else was very detailed, informative, and easily digestible, thank you for the content.
I would like to mention here one almost forgotten Romanian heroin Ecaterina Teodoroiu. She died in 1916 attacking machine gun position side by side with her male counterparts. Her last words were "Forward, men, I'm still with you!" Last year I asked a Romanian student if he know about her but he did not even know about her existence. My only source covering her bio was Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecaterina_Teodoroiu
Those women were legends. The Canaries were amazing. Sadly many could not have children after working in the munitions factories. It's no surprise though, considering what they were up against chemical wise. Wow WW1 real life Mulan.❤️👍
Remember watching this show back in the day, and doing a rewatch right now. Still excellent. And love the new content from Ghost Army, but I always come back to WWI. Such a fascinating war.
If you do a series on the Second World War, I do hope that you do a special on The Night Witches. The Russian 588th Night Bomber Regiment, an all female night bomber squadron who used extremely outdated Polikarpov Po-2, a training and crop dusting plane made in 1928 to perform nightly bombing raids on the German forces.
Good evening Indy. Wonderful project, I appreciate it very much. Il Maggio Radioso (Shining May) is coming, and I think a special episode about Italy could be useful to understand why her Government decided to join the war, and all the social and historic background, since the I Indipendence War in 1848, the II and mainly the III in 1866 because of eastern borders.
It's so awesome you did this. I was so fascinated with women soldiers in the American Civil War that I did a whole documentary on it called The Forgotten Grave. There were more than 600 documented cases in that war of women disguising themselves as men so they could fight.
+The Great War Yeah, I was surprised to hear that, especially considering what was happening with the women's movement at the time. Now bear in mind that a woman who was successful at going in disguise was never found out, (they often didn't say anything afterward because they were shamed for it,) but the fact that so few were discovered implies there weren't many at all. This might be a result of officers becoming more knowledgeable of clues like the Adam's apple. There was a great naivete during the American Civil War, which has been attributed to some of the lack of discovery. If you'd like to see more, I have a website on my documentary at: forgottengrave.homestead.com/ I'm going to put the whole documentary on UA-cam soon. (It's been on Amazon up until now.) By the way, great show you've got going here!
I had a family member (My grandmothers uncle) given a white feather from a woman in the white feather movement. He was later shelled and was never found. My family barely ever talked about it. Even today. But the women and myself in my family never forgave the feminists and women in this movement for it, they're truly vile.
Thank you for this segment! In past, whenever I thought of WW1, my first thought was Mata Hari (which makes me wonder if a segment will be done about her?). I just started watching your channel so now I'm bingeing on this!
The "Canaries" developed yellow skin through TNT fume poisoning, not from Sulphur. "Relatively unsophisticated cannery equipment can be adapted to amatol production. TNT is gently heated with steam or hot water until it melts, acquiring the physical characteristics of a syrup. Then the correct weight ratio of powdered ammonium nitrate is added and mixed in. Whilst this mixture is still in a molten state, it is poured into empty bomb casings and allowed to cool and solidify. "
The stories of women who were involved in the European War were frequently told in the Syro-Lebanese newspapers of that time, especially the French women (source: As-Salam retro newspaper, archives of St-Joseph University, Beirut, Lebanon)
"Canary girls" yellow color was not from sulfur as stated but from the yellow color of TNT, and in France 2,4-DNP. Liver damage could also lead to jaundice which also causes the skin to look yellow, but not as bright as a canary.
meryem seni I don't think so if they do that they won't have many people yes more people have watched with a new generation but us hardcore watchers" to the future gen." Will be few
About the feathers, there is a very beautiful movie called "The Four Feathers", that shows this pressure over the men, to go to war. The more recent version of this movie brings the actor Heath Leadger and the actress Kate Hudson, but there are others three versions before that. This is also shown in the amazing series "Downton Abbey".
Last year the pharmaceutical Journal published an article for pharmacists and the general public, I did some research and wrote and article for my local University. I was amazed by the immense contribution and increase in Women force within the pharmaceutical industry, it basically empowered women more than ever within the working sector.
Say Indy: you mentioned that the "munitionettes" were exposed to toxic compounds while working and lacked adequate protective clothing. I am curious: was this different than the men? While the men were certainly paid better, my impression has always been that factory conditions for everyone were pretty awful.
There's an australian show called anzac Girls which follows thel ives of several women who were army nurses including one decorated for bravery during an air raid.
My Great Grandmother, 96, was born in 1918 and worked in the factories for WWII. She said they were miserable conditions and she really didn't enjoy it but there wasn't much choice in the matter.
I'd take those factory conditions anyday than the frontline trench conditions. you're batshit crazy if you think the factory is worse. I'd rather make bullets than get shot at by them.
It is often forgotten that around 40% of British men could not vote either until after the war. These men could be fight for their country or conscripted to fight, but couldn't vote...
The UA-cam channel "Today I Found Out" has an interesting video titled "How World War I Got Women to Wear Bras." The metal required to make corsets was needed for the war. In the U.S. alone it is estimated that ceasing production of corsets saved 28,000 tons of steel, approximately the amount needed to build one battleship!
Women in health during WWI were more than nurses. My grandmother was the first graduate of the University of Sheffield, and served in the Scottish Womens' Hospital behind the front lines in France, for which she received the Croix de Guerre by the French government.
amazing! thanks for he answer and keep up the good work! cheers from Mexico! - if you ever need spanish subtitles for your show I'd love to help you guys, you're doing an Amazing job.
Plamena Georgieva: Hi Indy, Flo and company! Thank you for trying to prevent another world war from happening! Brilliant idea and so well done! A question for OUT OF THE TRENCHES: In a TV series I saw, ANZAC nurses were not allowed to go to the front, if they were married. Also, a romance between a nurse and a soldier bloomed and their marriage sent them both home. Is it possible that a married nurse's life was worth more than a married soldier's? Epecially given the heavy war propaganda and the otherwise shameless exploitation of women? And what do you know about marriage policies at the front? Thank you, guys! Great show!
And speaking of nurses, the BBC series 'The Crimson Field' is a rather interesting look into what field hospitals were like for doctors and nurses and involves a british woman that was shot for being a spy while trying to find out if her german husband is still alive. Rather good series and has a couple Downton Abbey actors in it.
I've heard their were women soldiers serving during world war 1 among the Armenians. Mainly as resistance fighters. Would it be possible to have a episode dealing with that or women soldiers in general? Hearing stories about women who fought just isn't very common. I saw your video on the one Serbian war hero hence my desire to learn more.
Concerning women's emancipation movement, so heavily influenced by the role of women in WW1, I may add that Alexandra Kollontay became People's Commissar (Soviet equivalent of a minister) of Charity in the first Soviet government formed by Lenin. Later she became the first ever woman ambassador.
Women in the 20th Century through 1945 - were fairly active & independent - mainly due to events - war, depression, etc. It seems like that stopped in the 1950s and had to re-start in the late 60s.
Very good segment as usual. I have only one comment FWIW: You don't give a person the right to vote, everyone is born with the right to vote. You can take it away by force, and give it back, but you don't give the right to vote. Women were not GIVEN the right to vote, in reality they were ACKNOWLEDGED with their right to vote. However, history and nearly all writing in this topic goes with the former. Just a thought. Great series.
Indy, Canary Girls were not turned yellow by sulphur. It was TNT, exposure to which causes jaundice, one symptom of which is jaundice causing yellow skin.
It was exposure to TNT that turned their skin yellow. These women really worked in a tough environment- the chemicals destroyed their health. Quite remarkable how they performed.
And bullets + mortar bombardments doesn't? I'd rather work in one of those factories than be shot. And did you also know that the trench conditions were way worse than those factories.
To be honest when I think women in ww1 I think the feather campaign, nurses, and Russian female units in that order. Yea the feather campaign was thought up by an admiral to boost enlistment, but suffragettes (or at least some white feather campaigners) were kind of malicious in a sense about it. I've heard a story of a man that was back after surviving his enlistment, felt so embarrassed by receiving a feather he reenlisted and didn't survive his second deployment. And one woman being slapped on a bus when giving a soldier on leave one, men killing themselves because they were too unfit for service, and even giving them to 16 year olds that then would try to fake their age and enlist. And this style of campaign (giving a white symbol to shame males into doing something) is repeating itself 100 years later with the white ribbon campaign. A noble idea, but has some maliciousness to it.
deathroman13 But what if those women like being shit on? Not everyone is into scat but some people are. But seriously, someone that thinks women can't handle criticism and anyone that dare does it is scum is a paternalistic asshole.
It is truly amazing how important the women´s were in the past and how important are for us even today. It is a shame though that some countries still disrespect, humiliate and violate the women´s rights and that not only in the Arab or African world but also in the ¨civilized west¨.
At 5:10 the Russian Women Battalion is mentioned. In 2015 a Russian film of 10 million $ budget was released, 100 years after the creation of the battalion in Russia. It is easy to be found with English subtitles. You know how.
Although Sulphur can cause skin discolourations, personal experience suggests bleaching to be more common. For a persistent yellow dye effect, worthy of the name canary, Picric acid (TriNitro-Phenol) and TNT are what you really want. Picric acid was developed by Woulfe in 1771,and first used as a dye for silk. The Lyons firm ofGuinon, Marnas et Bonnet was in large scale production by the 1850s, they also discovered a cotton Mordant in 1857. By this time Picric acid was also being used as a food dye. Indeed the hard confectionery known as acid-drops were originally a simple compounding of Picric acid and sugar. Despite Picric acid being a phenol derivative (already recognised as poisonous) , and its bad habit of forming metallic salts that go BOOM!, no-one thought this was a bad idea until 1884, after which the British food industry phased out Picric acid in Favour of TNT. I believe Germany did this about two decades earlier, but more as a matter of patent law than health concerns. So from 1863(earliest) /1884 U.K. until 1891 when Carl Häussermann discovered its explosive properties, TNT was used primarily as a Food Dye and also as a chemical feed stock. At least TNT was almost 5 times safer than Picric acid Safety was also why it replaced Picric acid in early HE shells as well, despite Trinitrophenol's greater power it was just too eager to explode. TNT was also safer for Munitions workers. Safer still means; accute: - being dyed skin irritation respiratory irritation prolonged: - Anemia poor Liver Function Spleen enlargement Immune system suppression Male infertility Most of these were recognised before 1918, more recently suspected carcinogen has been added to the list. So Munitions Worker was very much dangerous, and the High Commands knew it.
In Canada the government issued pins (badges) to men who had tried to volunteer but had been refused on medical grounds to prevent them from being given white feathers.
Oh great, now the world can know I'm a reject.
Great time to be alive.
It was seen as a badge of honour and not a disgrace as it showed to all that you had tried. to volunteer but your service had been refused for something beyond your own control. In the mindset of the time, you had done your duty and therefore it was a bigger disgrace to be falsely accused of not trying. You have to remember that Albert Ball was white feathered whilst walking through London wearing a suit rather than a uniform, after having received a Victoria Cross.
We always knew you were a reject, Matt.
Matt Redman I'd rather be a reject than a coward.
In Canada some men were expelled from their towns and rejected by their families because they chose to enlist while the religious faith of their community forbade them to serve in the military.
As a Brit, my great grandmother was one of these women. She makes me proud.
Small correction there, the "canaries'" skin was not turned yellow by sulfur. Nor was it sulfuric acid, even though it did say so on Wikipedia until a moment ago. That's TNT or nitric acid which will react with a protein in the skin named keratin.
Sulfur, even though it may be yellow, does not stain the skin and wasn't used so much in munitions of that age any more anyway.
My Grandparents co-worker, works with Sulfur(acid). He’s been working with it for almost his whole lifetime, and his hands and forearms have a yellow tint. I’m pretty sure your skin does turn a yellow tone after playing around with Sulfur for a very long time. I do I think for your skin to turn a yellow turn, it has to be at least 30, or more years.
My history exam is on WWI and this is one of the units it covers, this video was so useful, really glad I came across this channel!
thanks!
"...It should be known that they were seen as cheap, easily replaceable labor"
Well that sounds just like how troops on the front were being treated. Score one for equality between the genders.
+TheStapleGunKid I know right.
+TheStapleGunKid He then goes on the say that women were paid half the going rate though.
One step at a time.
anjetto1 This is true but conscripts didn't get paid at all...
Um yeah I'm pretty sure they did.
I knew I shouldn't go to the comments.
It's just a video on what women did in the war. No one is saying men had it easy in the war.
I've always wondered what happened to woman in the war this was interesting thanks 😊
Flora Sandes received the highest decoration of the Serbian Military :) there was also a movie about her here in Serbia called "Our Englishwoman"
That 'white feather' bullshit was downright evil.:S
+Jayne Veidt
That's how natural selection works. A smart guy would just collect all the feathers and wait until women come back begging after all the fools get maimed and killed.
*****
When the draft was introduced they probably didn't bother with their shaming techniques anymore. Plus a smart guy could always get cancer or be hit by meteorite so why bother to try to survive at all.
Kavetrol The draft was introduced immediately when the war started...
+Kavetrol you need as many fighters for your country as possible. if not before you know it, the fight will be on your doorstep and you'll either be dead or speaking German.
No, not until 1916. And they had to be trained. It was not until 1917 that large numbers of conscripts were in the line. The majority of soldiers shot for desertion or cowardice in the British Army had been conscripted. They never wanted to be there.
The Germans in WW1 were not as harsh on desertion as the British. Germany was used to conscript armies and took it for granted that a certain number of conscripted soldiers were going to be very opposed to being there. They were more prone to send deserters back to their units with a warning to their officers and NCOs to keep an eye on them. Whereas the British carried on the attitudes of a volunteer army even after conscription was introduced, and shot a proportionately high number of deserters.
Great to see the memory of the women and their sacrifices, great job
Concerning participation of women in the WW1 in Russia: before the February Revolution of 1917 every single woman could take part in action only by a special czar's permit. Some of women were decorated with the highest Russian military order at that time - St.George Cross, 4 of them were decorated even twice. Some of women fought under male names. Bochkareva's bataglion was indeed formed after the February Revolution. It was not the only women only units. There formed 4 bataglions and a couple of other units, but only Bochkareva's bataglion took part in real action. Because its losses were heavy starting from 14 August 1917 Chief Commander General Kornilov issued the order that women death bataglions could only perform auxilliary services, no direct combat. A company from one of those women death bataglions took part in defence of the Winter Palace, residence of the Interim Government, when it was stormed by the Bolsheviks on 25th October (07th November) 1917. All women units were disbanded on 30 November 1917.
Леонид Федяков As always, great insights in Russian history, thanks a lot.
Participation of women in the Army became a massive deal in the Soviet Russia. My grandmother was admitted to Kiev military college of communicatons in 1932, which she graduated in 1936. She was the first woman in that college's graduation of cadets and got the rank of Lieutenant. In 1941 and 1942 she was an instructor, teaching soldier how to use communication equipment. My grandmother took part in military action in 1943-1944 as deputy chief of staff of communication bataglion in 39th Army. She that time she was rewarded with two Red Star orders and a number of medals and got promoted to Major. Her husband was a cadet from the same class in Kiev military college of communications. They served together in the same regiment. When the war began in 1941 my grandfather was sent to the front (unlike my grandmother, who was sent to a training team in the rears). He got missing on October 02nd 1941.
"The Russian Women's Battallion of Death... great band name"
Indeed XD
I think you should have mentioned Milunka Savić, bearer of numerous awards for her actions in The Great War. She should be the only fighting woman to receive the French Cross of War.
They did a special episode for her.
Lady of Crows Yes they have. 6 months after my comment on this video.
oh? my bad then.
Will you guys do an episode about those that chose not to participate in the war?
That would make for a very interesting episode.
Still, many pacifists found "other ways" to participate-even on the front lines.
www.historylearningsite.co.uk/pacifists_world_war_one.htm
There are movies like *The Four Feathers* (2002, Heath Ledger) which dramatize this part of the story.
* _spelling_
I just read about this. Did you know Field Marshal John French's sister was against the war? Charlotte Despard.
New Zealand and Australia had a group full of objectors known as Co's who were treated terribly by the British Army. They were sent out with the conscripts and/or volunteers to Europe. They were imprisoned and some of them were tortured into fighting against their own beliefs and fighting a war they hated.
In other words, the smart ones.
A brilliant episode indeed Indy, but please do not forget Italian women. One of them, Maria Plozner Mentil, killed on the February 1916 by an Ausrto-Hungarian sniper while bringing ammos to the first line, in the Alps, was awarded (very late, in 1997) of the highest military Italian reward: the Golden Medal to the Military Valor for her sacrifice. Keep on going, you're doing a great job! Greetings from Italy.
Also men who worked at factory din't had protected clothing... Those were the days nobody could work safely, men or women. (2:25)
But we're not talking about the men. We're talking about the women, who willingly filled those dangerous roles for lesser pay.
funkyfreshwizardry yes because that is the most important thing, praising women for being a man.
Some British miners joined up (not so many - mining was a "reserved occupation" because digging coal was vital for the war effort) and a few were captured by the Germans and put to work digging coal in German mines. They noticed that the German mines had safer conditions than the ones back home.
Thank you so much! I'm so excited for the future episodes on women in the war.
This was so helpful for my history assignment! Thank you
Oh hey, this is the *exact* topic I was asking about just yesterday!
Thanks once more for doing a terrific job.
+Furore2323 That's how we role.
Thank you for this epic journey. You are really a great man, respect for your team as well!
Cora Sanders - a Serbian hero.
Cora you shall be remmebered forever and all future generations in Serbia will mention your name with words of praise.
Wow, amazing video. Amazing quality, great artistic integrity, very professional looking. Awesome job!
I love this channel ! Great work !
Last year on TV, there was a series protraying nurses during WWI...I do not remember the name of the series and it was excellent production.
I am surprised that there was no mention of comfort women. Everything else was very detailed, informative, and easily digestible, thank you for the content.
Best episode yet. The bit about the White Feather Brigades was truly eye-opening.
I would like to mention here one almost forgotten Romanian heroin Ecaterina Teodoroiu.
She died in 1916 attacking machine gun position side by side with her male counterparts. Her last words were "Forward, men, I'm still with you!" Last year I asked a Romanian student if he know about her but he did not even know about her existence.
My only source covering her bio was Wikipedia:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecaterina_Teodoroiu
Another top notch episode people!!
Thank you for this video !! It was super informative, really appreciate the topic. More like this please !! : )
I am from Brazil i love this channel so much! never stop making videos!
Those women were legends. The Canaries were amazing. Sadly many could not have children after working in the munitions factories. It's no surprise though, considering what they were up against chemical wise.
Wow WW1 real life Mulan.❤️👍
That is a truly great band name
Dibs
"Great band name"
I would buy that album for sure...
Indy's hair is kind of like Marilyn Manson's.
Has anyone seen Marilyn Manson and Indy in the same room together?
illuminati confirmed
indy drinks more.
FlyingOverTr0ut, Indy Neidell doesn't deserve that comparison.
Well summed up, outstanding.
Remember watching this show back in the day, and doing a rewatch right now. Still excellent. And love the new content from Ghost Army, but I always come back to WWI. Such a fascinating war.
If you do a series on the Second World War, I do hope that you do a special on The Night Witches. The Russian 588th Night Bomber Regiment, an all female night bomber squadron who used extremely outdated Polikarpov Po-2, a training and crop dusting plane made in 1928 to perform nightly bombing raids on the German forces.
"Great band name" :D Keep using jokes once every couple of episodes, the change-up is very entertaining!
Great video! Thanks
Good evening Indy. Wonderful project, I appreciate it very much.
Il Maggio Radioso (Shining May) is coming, and I think a special episode about Italy could be useful to understand why her Government decided to join the war, and all the social and historic background, since the I Indipendence War in 1848, the II and mainly the III in 1866 because of eastern borders.
mizhard Not sure if we're going to have a special episode but we will explain the reasons in depths of course.
Nice video I used it in class today
Fantastic video!
Dank episode
It's so awesome you did this. I was so fascinated with women soldiers in the American Civil War that I did a whole documentary on it called The Forgotten Grave. There were more than 600 documented cases in that war of women disguising themselves as men so they could fight.
+Jeff McArthur Really, that's interesting since in WW1 there were not that many.
+The Great War Yeah, I was surprised to hear that, especially considering what was happening with the women's movement at the time. Now bear in mind that a woman who was successful at going in disguise was never found out, (they often didn't say anything afterward because they were shamed for it,) but the fact that so few were discovered implies there weren't many at all. This might be a result of officers becoming more knowledgeable of clues like the Adam's apple. There was a great naivete during the American Civil War, which has been attributed to some of the lack of discovery. If you'd like to see more, I have a website on my documentary at: forgottengrave.homestead.com/ I'm going to put the whole documentary on UA-cam soon. (It's been on Amazon up until now.) By the way, great show you've got going here!
I had a family member (My grandmothers uncle) given a white feather from a woman in the white feather movement. He was later shelled and was never found. My family barely ever talked about it. Even today. But the women and myself in my family never forgave the feminists and women in this movement for it, they're truly vile.
Something tells me that was more of a government initiative.
Thank you!
Thank you for this segment! In past, whenever I thought of WW1, my first thought was Mata Hari (which makes me wonder if a segment will be done about her?). I just started watching your channel so now I'm bingeing on this!
The "Canaries" developed yellow skin through TNT fume poisoning, not from Sulphur.
"Relatively unsophisticated cannery equipment can be adapted to amatol production. TNT is gently heated with steam or hot water until it melts, acquiring the physical characteristics of a syrup. Then the correct weight ratio of powdered
ammonium nitrate is added and mixed in. Whilst this mixture is still in a
molten state, it is poured into empty bomb casings and allowed to cool and
solidify. "
The stories of women who were involved in the European War were frequently told in the Syro-Lebanese newspapers of that time, especially the French women (source: As-Salam retro newspaper, archives of St-Joseph University, Beirut, Lebanon)
"Canary girls" yellow color was not from sulfur as stated but from the yellow color of TNT, and in France 2,4-DNP. Liver damage could also lead to jaundice which also causes the skin to look yellow, but not as bright as a canary.
i can't wait for the WWII series like this one :)
Wait some 25 years for that.
meryem seni I don't think so if they do that they won't have many people yes more people have watched with a new generation but us hardcore watchers" to the future gen." Will be few
About the feathers, there is a very beautiful movie called "The Four Feathers", that shows this pressure over the men, to go to war. The more recent version of this movie brings the actor Heath Leadger and the actress Kate Hudson, but there are others three versions before that. This is also shown in the amazing series "Downton Abbey".
Lizandra Soave I don't know how it could be a beautiful movie for such a terrible topic
Pray for Harambe Women find forcing men to experience horrors they will never even be able to comprehend, "beautiful".
For the love of all that's holy, please don't waste your time watching the Heath Leadger version. Any of the others will work fine.
@@anonrandom7765 Oh shut up, just because you can't get laid doesn't mean women are evil. You incels really are pathetic.
love your desk
Indiana Neidell! Where can I get your desk? That thing is amazing!
As a woman, I appreciate you dedicating an episode to us.
Last year the pharmaceutical Journal published an article for pharmacists and the general public, I did some research and wrote and article for my local University. I was amazed by the immense contribution and increase in Women force within the pharmaceutical industry, it basically empowered women more than ever within the working sector.
The information I was looking for.
Thank you. I would love to see more about women in ww1
Say Indy: you mentioned that the "munitionettes" were exposed to toxic compounds while working and lacked adequate protective clothing. I am curious: was this different than the men? While the men were certainly paid better, my impression has always been that factory conditions for everyone were pretty awful.
+fhsreelfilms Yes, that's correct.
+fhsreelfilms don't compare killing to working a factory.
+mtwtf4207 They were comparing the conditions faced by men and women in factories, not between women factory workers and male soldiers.
There's an australian show called anzac Girls which follows thel ives of several women who were army nurses including one decorated for bravery during an air raid.
My Great Grandmother, 96, was born in 1918 and worked in the factories for WWII. She said they were miserable conditions and she really didn't enjoy it but there wasn't much choice in the matter.
I'd take those factory conditions anyday than the frontline trench conditions. you're batshit crazy if you think the factory is worse.
I'd rather make bullets than get shot at by them.
That was really good :)
Thank you
cool stuff with sub titles Indy ty
This is your best video of the whole series. Thanks a lot
my great grand father got the white feather we still have it framed up at my parents house probably lucky to be alive.
the fact that this dude is the same color as austria-hungary
Thank u :)
It is often forgotten that around 40% of British men could not vote either until after the war. These men could be fight for their country or conscripted to fight, but couldn't vote...
Ecaterina Teodoroiu fought in the Romanian Army and died in combat. Her story: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecaterina_Teodoroiu
motanulatomic This needs better coverage. Hopefully later in the series.
Only slightly less compelling than this series are your vests. My wife and I are transfixed by them. Can you share the secret of where you buy them?
First time seeing this show; this show is badass!
The UA-cam channel "Today I Found Out" has an interesting video titled "How World War I Got Women to Wear Bras." The metal required to make corsets was needed for the war. In the U.S. alone it is estimated that ceasing production of corsets saved 28,000 tons of steel, approximately the amount needed to build one battleship!
Women in health during WWI were more than nurses. My grandmother was the first graduate of the University of Sheffield, and served in the Scottish Womens' Hospital behind the front lines in France, for which she received the Croix de Guerre by the French government.
I know this video is old but I know women on 5 generations in my family always worked, from working in fields, clockmaker, teacher and nurses
These sound effects sound really like what's happening in the silent movie footage.
wonderful episode, Hope you get o talk about Mata Hari in the future.
+yaddar An episode about her is already in production.
amazing! thanks for he answer and keep up the good work!
cheers from Mexico! - if you ever need spanish subtitles for your show I'd love to help you guys, you're doing an Amazing job.
Plamena Georgieva: Hi Indy, Flo and company! Thank you for trying to prevent another world war from happening! Brilliant idea and so well done! A question for OUT OF THE TRENCHES: In a TV series I saw, ANZAC nurses were not allowed to go to the front, if they were married. Also, a romance between a nurse and a soldier bloomed and their marriage sent them both home. Is it possible that a married nurse's life was worth more than a married soldier's? Epecially given the heavy war propaganda and the otherwise shameless exploitation of women? And what do you know about marriage policies at the front? Thank you, guys! Great show!
They were heroes. Respect from an Englishman.
And speaking of nurses, the BBC series 'The Crimson Field' is a rather interesting look into what field hospitals were like for doctors and nurses and involves a british woman that was shot for being a spy while trying to find out if her german husband is still alive. Rather good series and has a couple Downton Abbey actors in it.
+Pieshka Coltic We will also talk about medical treatment at some point.
+The Great War that would be helpful, I still don't understand that new treatment was to avoid amputation in the series.
I've heard their were women soldiers serving during world war 1 among the Armenians. Mainly as resistance fighters. Would it be possible to have a episode dealing with that or women soldiers in general? Hearing stories about women who fought just isn't very common. I saw your video on the one Serbian war hero hence my desire to learn more.
What is a "Naval or Marine Yoman"? O:
Also, I would love to see an episode on the women spies! :D
Yeoman.
Naomi Nekomimi We are thinking about a special episode on espionage in WW1.
The Great War I think that would be fantastic!
A yeoman is basically a clerk. They get coffee and do paperwork.
Concerning women's emancipation movement, so heavily influenced by the role of women in WW1, I may add that Alexandra Kollontay became People's Commissar (Soviet equivalent of a minister) of Charity in the first Soviet government formed by Lenin. Later she became the first ever woman ambassador.
Great video. Any transcript anywhere? For class use only, of course.
Women in the 20th Century through 1945 - were fairly active & independent - mainly due to events - war, depression, etc. It seems like that stopped in the 1950s and had to re-start in the late 60s.
Ta muchly. Thought provoking.
Very good segment as usual. I have only one comment FWIW: You don't give a person the right to vote, everyone is born with the right to vote. You can take it away by force, and give it back, but you don't give the right to vote. Women were not GIVEN the right to vote, in reality they were ACKNOWLEDGED with their right to vote. However, history and nearly all writing in this topic goes with the former. Just a thought. Great series.
The Russian women's battalion of Death... OK Tarintino needs to make a film on this. Epic
Indy, Canary Girls were not turned yellow by sulphur. It was TNT, exposure to which causes jaundice, one symptom of which is jaundice causing yellow skin.
I couldn't stop laughing at the "camp follower" bit.
It was exposure to TNT that turned their skin yellow. These women really worked in a tough environment- the chemicals destroyed their health. Quite remarkable how they performed.
And bullets + mortar bombardments doesn't? I'd rather work in one of those factories than be shot.
And did you also know that the trench conditions were way worse than those factories.
To be honest when I think women in ww1 I think the feather campaign, nurses, and Russian female units in that order. Yea the feather campaign was thought up by an admiral to boost enlistment, but suffragettes (or at least some white feather campaigners) were kind of malicious in a sense about it. I've heard a story of a man that was back after surviving his enlistment, felt so embarrassed by receiving a feather he reenlisted and didn't survive his second deployment. And one woman being slapped on a bus when giving a soldier on leave one, men killing themselves because they were too unfit for service, and even giving them to 16 year olds that then would try to fake their age and enlist. And this style of campaign (giving a white symbol to shame males into doing something) is repeating itself 100 years later with the white ribbon campaign. A noble idea, but has some maliciousness to it.
nah its flat out bullshit. the woman who got slapped was slapped by a British soldier on a trai. (he was a Passachendale veteran)
+Justin L9 as is the admiral that came up with it
deathroman13 But what if those women like being shit on? Not everyone is into scat but some people are. But seriously, someone that thinks women can't handle criticism and anyone that dare does it is scum is a paternalistic asshole.
It is truly amazing how important the women´s were in the past and how important are for us even today. It is a shame though that some countries still disrespect, humiliate and violate the women´s rights and that not only in the Arab or African world but also in the ¨civilized west¨.
Congrats on the success of your Patreon! Have you guys looked into partnering with subbable at all?
tyrealhsm We compared both options and in the end decided to go with Patreon. But we will also offer more options to support our show in the future.
At 5:10 the Russian Women Battalion is mentioned. In 2015 a Russian film of 10 million $ budget was released, 100 years after the creation of the battalion in Russia. It is easy to be found with English subtitles. You know how.
+The Great War Indy, did you edit the Wikipedia article on the women's battalion? I can't help but read it in your voice xD
Love this episode. You could maybe make one about Milunka Savic.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milunka_Savi%C4%87
ivanmomchina Wikipedia isn't a reliable source as anyone can edit the page.
Although Sulphur can cause skin discolourations, personal experience suggests bleaching to be more common. For a persistent yellow dye effect, worthy of the name canary, Picric acid (TriNitro-Phenol) and TNT are what you really want.
Picric acid was developed by Woulfe in 1771,and first used as a dye for silk. The Lyons firm ofGuinon, Marnas et Bonnet was in large scale production by the 1850s, they also discovered a cotton Mordant in 1857.
By this time Picric acid was also being used as a food dye. Indeed the hard confectionery known as acid-drops were originally a simple compounding of Picric acid and sugar. Despite Picric acid being a phenol derivative (already recognised as poisonous) , and its bad habit of forming metallic salts that go BOOM!, no-one thought this was a bad idea until 1884, after which the British food industry phased out Picric acid in Favour of TNT. I believe Germany did this about two decades earlier, but more as a matter of patent law than health concerns.
So from 1863(earliest) /1884 U.K. until 1891 when Carl Häussermann discovered its explosive properties, TNT was used primarily as a Food Dye and also as a chemical feed stock.
At least TNT was almost 5 times safer than Picric acid
Safety was also why it replaced Picric acid in early HE shells as well, despite Trinitrophenol's greater power it was just too eager to explode.
TNT was also safer for Munitions workers.
Safer still means;
accute: - being dyed
skin irritation
respiratory irritation
prolonged: - Anemia
poor Liver Function
Spleen enlargement
Immune system suppression
Male infertility
Most of these were recognised before 1918, more recently suspected carcinogen has been added to the list. So Munitions Worker was very much dangerous, and the High Commands knew it.
6:26 Well there are plenty of great views in Ireland but you can't see Belgium from here!
You should tell the story of the "Cossack Girl" Marina Yurlova.