Cliffe I just wanted to say that you are an amazing human being brought into this life. You have inspired me to continue pursuing my faith and beliefs. Thank you and God Bless you to the Stars and Back.
You have a wonderful ability to connect with young minds in a special way. Thank you for the work you are doing and may God continue to bless your work.
Amen! Cliffe really does have the gift of gab and going tit for tat with every individual he reasons with. God bless this man and his son. Christianity is really not a belief that is based on fairytales or mythology, and it doesn't mean that we throw our brains out. It's just a higher level of thinking based on the natural but more so on the supernatural unseen world, which all NDE experiences, witchcraft seances and demonic possessions show that the supernatural world is just as reql as the natural.
Don't learn or take in his idea or his belief in 'the process of Evolution'. I find him wrong on 1 thing and it is this. Idk what he's talking ab when he says 'Genesis I doesn't contridict the process of Evolution'. It contradicts evolution every way possible..the Bible doesn't say we all originated from the same common ancestor by mutating into over 100,000 diff species.. sorry Cliff you're wrong on this one. The Holy Bible also uses the word 'day' in Hebrew language over thirty something times and in everytime it is used, it is meant to be known as exactly 24 hours. It even says in Corinthians as to the reason God took 7 days to create the world, and it was to establish the work week for mankind. Makes sense to me idk ab u. The words 'evolution' or ' evolution process's cannot be found in the Bible, bc the words didn't exist and for me, it's bc it's not true. The Bible is the truth so it would be in there I would think. Idk why Cliff keeps going on and making reference to 'parallelism', an aspect of poetry. Cliff you are literally making the reference yourself and say that an aspect of poetry is proof of the possibility of evolution as being true, and somehow it's being used in Genesis I. I think you are waaaaaay out of bounds on this one intellectually speaking. It's obvious to see you are not taking Occamms razor scentifically serious. Idk what to tell u my friend other than I hope God opens your eyes on this one so you can see it for the lie it is and deep down you know the reason it was created. Simply put, to take God out of the equation. This is why 80% of all incoming freshman who are believers with faith consider themselves Atheists in less than a year. FACTS.
Male and female created he them on the 6th day (Adam). On the 8th day God "formed" Eth Ha Adam. This word is almost twice as long in the manuscripts. See here 👇 ua-cam.com/video/p5xngd48-1M/v-deo.html (Also UA-cam: Mark13records, Smyrna Christian Church Kokomo, Deep Well Bible Studies)
@@treyg.4821mate cliffe doesn't believe in evolution as an origin. He believes in adaptation. Micro Evolution instead of macro evolution. Need to pay more attention to his words
I’ve recently been born again as of Nov. 2018. I always believed in God and became a lukewarm Christian over time. I did shrooms, drank, but mostly smoked pot everyday. I look back and can’t believe how patient Jesus has been waiting for me (I’m 39). I have been saved by an angel or Jesus (not sure at the time) at least twice, but possibly 3 times. A voice told me to let off the gas pedal when I was going through an intersection, as soon as I did, a truck blew a stop sign that would have killed me. I also fell asleep at the wheel another time and WOKE up while driving sitting upright and very much positioned like a robot. I ended up on the other side of town somehow! Fell into a pool’s deep end as a child, somehow my mother knew to check on me and pulled me out. I had another experience where I was praying for a relative that was brutally murdered and burned alive years prior. I was HIT like a sledgehammer with unexplainable peace and joy. Instantly tears poured out of my eyes and I had the breath sucked out of me, totally winded. It was like I was experiencing the joy of heaven but my human body could not handle it! I also experienced an interaction with several demons in the basement of a psychic lady’s house who summoned them and spoke to them nightly. The fear and anger I felt as their eyes pierced my soul was like nothing of this earth......,over and over and over Jesus was calling me!!! I was too much of a fool to notice, even though I believed in Him! In November of 2018, after a minor argument with my fiancée, I heard a demon’s voice talk to me telepathically in my mind- “I hate you, I’ll kill you and tear your family apart.” With the most conviction in my soul I commanded that thing to leave my house in the name of Jesus Christ. Every room in the house I yelled at it. I felt our Lord blast through my house and beat those things down! Whoosh gone! I prayed and thanked him and repented for allowing them to get close to me. He talked to me telepathically asking me questions and made me feel the guilt of my sins. Lots of information as a sort of psychic download into my heart and mind simultaneously. Question 1: “After all I’ve done for you, what have you done for Me, and others?” Question 2: “Am I NOT enough for you?” Then, the weight of my sins lifted, it was incredible. Since that moment, I’ve had no desire to drink, smoke, blaspheme, masterbate, be angry, stressed out or sin at all. Wanting to share love with no other possible explanation. I notice the tiniest signs he puts in my path....I see them right away and chuckle, seeing He really does work in mysterious ways. I fully understand how to have a relationship with him and not need to physically see or hear our relationship. He is incredible people! Let him into your heart! I had felt in my soul the the extremes of joy and sorrow through just some of my life experiences..... Feeling the presence of God and Satan deep inside through strange encounters. For that, I am blessed to KNOW Christianity is the truth, yet I STILL tried to not fully commit. He wants us all to repent and accept Him. He actually told me this! Don’t think you can sin all your life and God will be OK with it. He really will reward you if you follow with all your heart!! If you’d like to see the full story, check it out here- https ://ua-cam.com/video/W5Ib0N_0Kdg/v-deo.html
That's awesome story. You've truly been blessed. Satan he preys on the weak and the stronger you spiritually became, the less of a threat to more like a joke he became to u. So glad u have conquered ur demons. I believe in God logically. I understand what u mean ab being lukewarm, and commonly have that very conversation w myself as to my own standing w God. But I have faith and he knows our hearts, our intentions towards others. I still smoke n would even do shrooms, but wouldn't take any drugs or anything chemically made by man. I hope u some more research on Cannabis to really see it's benefits more than anything negative it could bring on. CBD and THC are the 2 basic compounds that it exists in. The CBD compound is a natural herbal compound proven to show it heals the physical body, it doesn't hurt it in at all, impossible for it to hurt the body since since it bonds to pharmaceutical receptors in the body. It prevents and cures a load of illnesses. And it's my belief that THC is the 2nd compound used to help treat the pyche, not the physical but the mental. Studies showing how it helps w depression, also helping cancer patients hungry enough to want to eat. My point is that I hope u don't see anything God made in a negative light bc of corrupt people, a sinful man. Shrooms I believe have helped alot of ppl become more spiritual. You just have know how to separate the bs from the truth. Which even means don't always relate one thing to the other just bc they were happening at the same time during your life. I also have a schizophrenic older brother where I watched how much harm it did to his mentality. The truth is though he should have been smart enough to know not to use it. I know lots of ppl that it's not their thing which I'm totally ok with. I am pro choice, not make it mandatory or anything. But God bless u.
Have you ever lied, stolen, used God's name in vain, looked wuth lust? if so you need to repent today and Believe in Jesus Christ to save you from Hell and go to heaven instead
@@JesusisGodandKingofkimgs we are all guilty of all in various degree hence fail to see the relevance of your directed statement, rather praise the man for sharing his experience.
THIS IS NOT IN OUR OWN STRENGTH OR THERE WOULD BE NO GOOD NEWS , Jn 1v12 KJV,producing Matthew 5v9 & 2 Cor. 5v19& 20 ... Rom.1v16, any Bible, 2 Cor.4v7.. JOHN 15v7.. Jn.17v26.. and yet again in Hebr.4v16.. THEREFORE Matt.11v28 Jn.8v31-32.. WHICH IS CAUSE FOR US To REJOICE, since by His blood we can freely approach our Heavenly Dad , through the torn curtain to get Matt.6v6, 7v7 whosoever we need Mark.11v24-26 to be found in God Jn.15v7 in our time of need> Matt.5v22- 26, WITH WARNING.
The meaning of Adam Eve and Noah’s names come from what the literal people went through. Adam means dust because he was formed from it. Eve means life because she is mother to us all. Noah means comfort because of the comfort of knowing that God can keep you safe from the world.
I thought Adam translates to Man, adams not a name, adam is MAN. Thats why in Gen 5 it says he BEGAT his son seth, doesn’t mention Eve because Adam is simply Mankind. IF IM NOT MISTAKEN*
@@mistowasabi5443Yes and no. Adam means man, adamah means soil/earth/ground. Adam, was also a name/person. If it helps, the first male was named man. Google, Ben adam vs adam.
@@mistowasabi5443Adam is the Hebrew for "man." He is a real person, named after the generic term for man that is adam in Hebrew, which is why his proper name was "Adam."
I should have started by saying I appreciate many of your conversations because they are well reasoned and logical with sufficient evidence to prove your points.
Its often clear to know what's a poem vs what isn't a poem in the Bible, AND what's presented as history. Genesis is history. Its also a mistake to claim parts of the bible as poetry when faced with tough answers. More often than not, its human interpretation that needs further investigation and study. Dr. Hugh Ross in my opinion is by far the best at interpreting the age of the universe as well as the location of the flood without messing with the integrity of the bible. In most cases, we have to study the context of certain words, phrases and context of those words in its original greek/hebrew to fully understand its meaning.
+Mike Locke Hi Mike, clearly the bible is made up of various writings over a long period of time, we have older writings from other parts of the globe which have no mention of this Yahweh character, they write about other Gods, every civilization known to man around the world has invented their own Gods. Reading the Old Testament, I get the sense that Yahweh is very similar to man, his emotions are that of a warlord who gets very angry with other tribes, he's certainly a God who demands to be obeyed, he seems to have a lot of jealousy in him, and woe betide any other local tribe who crosses his path. There is little or no mention of any real love of his creation, or a willingness to show any kind of tenderness. Any parent will spend inordinate amounts of time with their children and teach them skills they will need. All parents say 'No' to their children so they know what is good and what is bad, however, a really good parent will say 'No' and then sit down with the child and explain *why* they said no, they will explain the reasons, and consequences for doing something bad so the child has a broader understanding of why it's being told 'No'. Yahweh seems a very bad parent to me, if we are his children there is little or no schooling, we are just told to obey. Yahweh even gets so angry with us, he drowns the lot of us, women, children, babies, animals, ( the fish were spared i guess), save for a family of 8 and a boatload of various animals. You say Genesis is history Mike. I would say it's merely early mankinds attempt to explain the world around him, whoever wrote it knew nothing of other civilizations in other continents. I've no doubt people living in South America at the time knew nothing of this Yahweh character, they were too busy obeying their own God.
+bonnie43uk Tom, the best approach in proving that the Old Testament is true and historical is to discover if the New Testament is true and reliable. Why? because if the New Testament is true and reliable, the Old is also true and reliable because Jesus quoted and spoke of the Old Testament as being true and reliable. To discover if Jesus and the New Testament is true and reliable, you'd have to go through a series of questions and discoveries. The BEST (and easiest to understand) argument for the reliability of the New Testament is found in the book "I Don't Have Enough Faith to be An Atheist" by Frank Turek / Norman Geisler. There are so many easy flaws in your argument, that it would be best for you to first read that book before truly holding onto your position in a debate. For example, I could easily dispute your premiss with sound plausible evidence but then that would only lead you to the question, does a Theistic God exist? If no, then none of the old testament stuff is true. But if Yes, then you'd have to reason there had to been a reason for why God did what he did in the Old Testament. Many things will go unanswered but that's life. But you can rest assure that Jesus was nothing but Love, Mercy and Grace..... AND Jesus claimed to be God. So I'd have to disagree with you on that. ;)
***** Hi Mike, always good to hear from you. I do respect your view, although i respectfully disagree with you my friend. Re: I don't have enough faith to be an atheist book by Geisler and Turek, I am quite familiar with the book. If you are a committed Christian it will re-affirm your faith, no question, the fact it's a best selling book would confirm that. However, the arguments and points they make in the book can equally be rebutted by atheists. One of the guys I subscribe to here on UA-cam made an excellent series a few years ago whereby he reviews well known Christian books, The Turek book being one of them, he does quite a thorough review, chapter by chapter giving the atheist perspective whilst reading large portions of each chapter, his name is Steve Shives, and the video's are entitled "An atheist reads I don't have enough faith to be an atheist". I'm not sure whether you would want to view them it's entirely up to you, but Steve does a good job in rebutting the claims in the original book. ********************************************** You say Jesus is Love mercy and Grace, and that Jesus is God, well that bears no resemblance to the God of the Old Testament, Why are the 2 characters so different if they are the same person, .. and if they are, why does Jesus call out to his father on the cross if they are one and the same? The whole dying/resurrection thing for me just has too many flaws in it for me to believe it. God appears to be sacrificing himself to himself which makes no sense, and how can it be a sacrifice if Jesus ends up in heaven? if he ended up in hell forever it would make much more sense, albeit a terrible fate. You said you could easily dispute my premise, I'd be happy to hear your thoughts on why the God of the Old Testament comes across as an Evil bully, wiping out entire tribes, etc, and also why people on other continents weren't also worshipping him, God seemed very angry with local tribes worshipping rival gods (Thou shalt have no other Gods before me), but didn't seem concerned in the slightest about further away Gods. To be honest, I don't think I've ever heard a Christian explain this.
+bonnie43uk Tom, here's what you're missing. Your premiss is based on opinion. To summarize your argument, you're saying that because the God of the Old Testament was mean, he can't be real or you can't believe in that God. That argument is built on opinion, not fact. God could very well be all of those things you mention and still be the God that created the universe and all of mankind. He's your God, you're just denying him. Opinion doesn't change absolute truth. Regarding God the Father, the Son (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit. Ok, first off God exist outside our natural laws. He is supernatural. You agree? Now God can choose to create a Son (Jesus) that lives inside our natural laws but possess the same qualities both supernaturally and simultaneously live in our world. Jesus had to take on Human nature to die as a sin offering. Thirdly, God has a spirit, its the Holy Spirit. So three different persons but all one. You're trying to argue God and Jesus using laws within matter, time and space. God operates outside these laws. Where does it state that God wasn't concerned with far away gods? It doesn't God said thou shalt not worship any other Gods. That's definitive to me to mean no other gods, period. Lastly, its impossible to easily dispute the points in "I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist"...other than just simply not agreeing with it. I'd be happy for you dispute just one of Frank Turek's claims. I watched a few minutes of Steve's video and I get it, he sums it up the bible as "Made up Bull Sh*t"...his words exactly, lol. I love it when you don't agree with something, its just made up BS. :)
+Mike Locke Hi Mike, yes, my premise is based on opinion I guess, that's what these discussions are all about really, opinions. Btw, I'm not saying that because i think God is mean that he can't be real or that i can't believe in God, I don't totally rule God out of the picture, although I am very skeptical. You mentioned absolute truth, I'm not even sure I know what absolute truth is. I think doubting is a fundamental part of being human, it's good to doubt, it makes life more interesting. Yes, I did know about the God the father, the son and the holy ghost.. i still struggle with the concept of how they differ. You ask me whether i agree that God is supernatural, I agree with that in the same sense that Superman is supernatural. As an actual real entity, no, I don't believe in God, if i see some credible evidence I will change my mind. I think this is something we've discussed before no doubt. People do ask me 'what would you constitute as proof of God'??, Well, thats a good question, I have a fascination with miracles ( something that would defy the known laws of physics), so, if a group of Christians prayed for a particular amputee victim to be healed, and the next day, he/she had their limb restored, I would be queuing up at my local church as a new convert to Christianity, I give you my word of honour ( or honor as you Americans spell it). Now of course, i know this will not happen because miracles of that nature don't happen, But I'm guessing God could do it if he so wished. Now the answer i get is that God won't do that because he's not here to do magical tricks or to perform for my benefit. Well, he seems to intervene all the time if we're led to believe what Christians say, he healed this person of cancer, he did this, he did that. It was a miracle from God. But God won't heal an amputee.. even though it would leave us atheists without a leg to stand on ( excuse the pun). Let me ask you this Mike, in all honesty, is it your belief that God wants me to have a relationship with him? Does he Love me?, I'm sure you will say yes. Maybe you could pray for an amputee to be healed on my behalf if he won't do it for me. With that one gesture, God could convert thousands of atheists in one fail swoop. I'd be at the front of the queue. If God can create a universe, healing an amputee would be as easy as blinking for him. Regarding Frank Tureks book Mike, you say you'd be happy if i disputed just one of his claims. I know that various times in the book Frank made reference to a university or college professor ( an atheist i believe), whom he stumped, or made the professor look bad by using some kind of Christian logic. (I will try and find the reference if i can for you). Who exactly was this professor?, what was his name, and is he around to acknowledge the particular incidents actually occurred. I think Turek doesn't name him, that's not to say it didn't happen, but it should be easily verifiable to find the person in question. I'm not calling Frank Turek a liar, but I think there may be a possibility these incidents may be embellished on Franks part. It's a common human trait, sometimes events we recall from the past we get facts wrong.
@@GraftedOliveBranch If you have to quote Bible verses to make a point shows you have no opinion yourself . I have no interest in a book written by men wishing to gain control over others, it means nothing to me, Word of God !!!LOL
With regard the Genesis and evolution it always seems to he a topic of inconvenience but needs to be addressed because it's part of the conversation for many students.
Cliff is someone I can listen too. I don't necessarily agree with everything he says, I don't follow religion anymore, for many reasons. But he is no ordinary preacher. He doesn't judge. He's very knowledgeable and explains a lot. He doesn't go to pride events and tell gays to repent or they will be damned at their end.
Cliffe, you should watch Kent Hovind videos regarding evolution. Don't buy into evolution (adaptation within the same taxonomy family) been the same as Darwinian evolution (variations beyond its taxonomy family), because the issue is not the evidence regarding evolution, is their interpretation of it. Darwinian evolution is a religion by mere definition, not science. God bless.
+FernandoP1 - Art Zone Productions Hi Juan, it staggers me that you don't accept evolution and recommend the video's of Kent Hovind, he has no credible scholarship or knowledge of science. His qualifications are extremely dubious. I will grant you he is a gifted speaker who talks with extreme confidence, I can see why people are taken in with his patter. Juan, let me ask you an honest question, How old do you think this planet we all live on is?
+bonnie43uk - Hi Tom, you surely love Cliffe video don't you? It depends what you mean by evolution (we already talk about that 1 year ago), evolution and Darwinian evolution are not the same Tom. Evolution as adaptation within the same taxonomy family happen, not beyond that. "Kent Hovind official" is his UA-cam channel and he upload a video there everyday and he already respond about this same critic you did and about his jail issue on structure, not about tax evasion. We already talk about the age of the earth about 5 month ago Tom, but here it is again, I believe is around 6000 years old historically speaking, scientifically is impossible since science can't demonstrate a linear climate to assume linear decay. Take care.
FernandoP1 - Art Zone Productions Yes, I do enjoy listening to the students in Cliffe's video's. I think they give good arguments. I comment on all Cliffe's latest video's. I think Cliffe would agree with me that the planet we live on is much much older than 6,000 years. How old do you believe the universe to be?
+bonnie43uk -Scientifically speaking, there is no way to certainly know how old is the universe, only historically speaking (which is the same about 6000 years old).
FernandoP1 - Art Zone Productions I would disagree with you there Juan, science has discovered much about the age of our planet and indeed the universe. We have this information available to us today in the form of the internet. Simply type into Google "The age of the Universe", and pages and pages of information will appear on our laptops, much of this information has come from people in that particular branch of science, such as physics and astronomy, this information has been gathered over many centuries and been tested and re-tested, we have a pretty good idea that it's accurate information. That same information has taken mankind into space, it's extremely precise. A few months ago we actually landed a probe on a passing comet. This set off from Earth in 2004, it took 11 years to reach it's target. Type into google "Rosetta mission". As you know, we have also landed a rover on Mars and we're getting fantastic information about this planet. The point I'm making is that human technology is incredibly accurate, what we know about our surroundings here on Earth and in outer space is dependent on testable, repeatable science. To say the Earth is 6000 years old is a little like saying the distance between New York and London is 3 miles. It's not based on any credible scientific data. And it's wrong by many magnitudes. Using an ancient book to try and figure out how old the earth is, is very bad science. No school here in the UK would teach such a thing. Kids have access to the internet today and they can check information out for themselves, and they do. Anyhoo, i know you will disagree with me, but it's good to get your thoughts. Kent Hovind is not somebody I would trust regarding scientific information. His credentials are highly suspect. Where did he learn his information from?, what papers did he study to come up with his theories?
I disagree with Cliffs statement on the text not nailing down whether the flood was worldwide or not. Genesis 7:17-29 is quite explicit: “Now the flood was on the earth forty days. The waters increased and lifted up the ark, and it rose high above the earth. The waters prevailed and greatly increased on the earth, and the ark moved about on the surface of the waters. And the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth, and all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered.” How can all high hills under heaven be covered and yet not cover the whole earth? Am I missing something?
I actually disagree when clife says that the bible doesn’t disprove evolution. “So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.” Genesis 1:27 I 100% believe in adaptation, but this verse in Genesis proves that humans did not evolve 6:01
@@JohnjOcampo You clearly don't understand logic. How can the word SPIRITUAL equal SOUL. If someone says "I am spiritual", you're saying it also means "I am soul". How does that even make grammatical sense... Not so bright are you.
Wow that’s awesome you started your church in such a liberal place in a school. Born in Southington Connecticut but I was a Catholic. Now I go to Bible Fellowship and have a relationship with Jesus.
"To believe only in the idea of God and not God himself." Cliff said he liked that in his closing statement. That seems to encapsulate the faith of the modern Orthodox Christian in America. Our relationship with God is what is important to love God, we can't love an idea, a concept, we love a being. We have an eye single to the glory of God, a being and a relationship of love. God is not an immaterial idea, heaven is not an immaterial realm, God is transcendent perfected spiritual material not worldly mundane material.
I've never met Cliffe but i enjoy his video's and his interaction with young students, I am an atheist, and I'd like to think if we ever met I'd be one of his atheist friends. As many of the people who read these comments know, I like to give the 'other side' to some of his arguments, I'm sure Cliffe would agree it's good to think and discuss this topic of God/Jesus/Life and how we live our lives. I've also repeated many times, if Christianity works for you, embrace it. Life is tough for many people, I do understand the appeal of Christ, but as i see it, it also has many flaws.
+Maz Hi Maz, good question. I was never really comfortable with all these biblical stories, they seemed to lack credibility, but when you are raised in a Christian culture, where adults all around you are believing this stuff, as a child, you think they must know something i don't. But as I got older, my skepticism only grew. I'm at a point in my life now where i'm virtually certain Christianity is based on conjecture. When it comes right down to the nitty gritty of 'did this stuff really happen'? .. I'm not convinced by the evidence, I think we have spoken about this before if memory serves me right. I just have too many questions which I don't seem to find good answers for. Not only that, i don't agree with the premise of Christianity that we must accept Jesus in order to be saved. Saved from what?, a separation from Christ? What is this cast iron proof that he even existed?, I'm sure I've mentioned to you in the past, outside of the Gospels, there is little if any concrete proof of Jesus. It's a great subject to discuss though, hence why I enjoy these chats. As i always say, if it works for you, go with it. :-)
***** Hi , thanks for your kind words, yes, I think that it's always more productive to have honest debate about this issue of Jesus, rather than to completely dismiss it as nonsense. I was raised to believe it and it's played a major part in my upbringing. But I no longer believe it now, I do, as you say, keep an open mind, I would be willing to change my view if I saw credible evidence, but unfortunately I don't. You call it "The truth", well, I'm not seeing this 'truth', and the more i look, the less i find. I'm still searching, over the past, I'd say 10 years or so, I've taken an interest in the bible, I feel a lot of what I was told was simply indoctrination. I know that's not a nice word to use about somebody's honest faith, but when you see it from a perspective outside of Christianity, the whole thing looks completely different. I've been accused of being a troll by some of the people I've chatted with in these comment sections in previous video's, because I don't accept what Cliffe is saying as fact, and question his beliefs. But it's a subject I'm fascinated with. I don't tell anyone to stop believing it, if it gives you comfort and solace in life, I urge you to carry on believing it. But it's not worked for me, I've found comfort and solace in understanding how the bible came to be, and how easily a whole religion can spring from the human mind and become a massive force. Our 'truths' appear to be very different. Feel free to ask me anything and I will give you a truthful answer.
I'm sorry, Cliffe, but I have a huge problem with the statement that Genesis 1 is poetry. I also have a huge problem with theistic evolution. I very strongly disagree with you on this one, so I'm afraid it is a massive case of agreeing to disagree. However, I also echo with the crowd here in saying that you are a massive blessing to me and so many others on here. Thanks for what you do, and please keep it up. God bless.
Jesus quoted Genesis as REAL HISTORY - a real historical event. Sorry Cliff, love your work but your wrong on that one. "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female," ~ Matthew 19:4 If that is not a historical statement, then I have no idea what a historical statement looks like. Evolution is a retarded, non-scientific religion. Dogs produce Dogs, Cats produce cats end of story. "And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good." ~ Genesis 1:12
+BecomingMike Oh I know about micro evolution (stupid term) and how it describes variations within kinds. Dogs produce a variety of dogs and may have a common ancestor, DOG. Dog, wolf, coyote and Fox probably had a common ancestor, DOG KIND. That is where it ends. Anything else, is pure imagination. If you put a frog in a blender, no amount of time, will turn that FROG SOUP back into a FROG over millions of years. Does not happen. Only takes place in ones imagination. DNA frequency exists and can change different variations within a KIND, but genetic complexity increasing over time is pure fantasy. DNA similarities proves common designer. Not a common ancestor.
KIND - Those that are able to bring forth after its kind. Hmm the language thing again. Ok, let me explain something to you. What was it originally, a language. What did the modern English we speak today become. Another Language. We started with a language, and developed a new language. Words to convey meaning. No cats and dogs are not the same kind as they do not reproduce. I have a question for you? Where did we come from? How did non-organic molecules evolve into organic molecules. I won't get into Cosmic and planetary evolution as we will be here for "millions of years". People who believe they came from a rock may contain some basis in fact. Their heads still contain them.
+newygreek Evolution has more to do with adaption to environment than anything else, most of the time the changes to generations are so tiny you wouldn't notice them, Imagine taking a picture of your own face every morning, it would show no visible sign of change whatsoever, but you do get older, thats a kind of comparison. You may not agree with evolution, but it's a fact my friend. The sheer tonnage of information we have on evolution surpasses anything in any other branch of science.
+newygreek The question of how life began is still being investigated, that branch of science is called abiogenesis, it is separate from evolution. Evolution explains the diversity of life, not how it initially began.
Honest question. If an atheist prayed and said "Jesus, I don't believe in you, but if I'm wrong and you are real and you did actually die on the cross to save me of my sins, I accept your gift" Would that count?
The story of Noah is not a parable but it is clearly a historical recap of a true event. My reasoning is that there are too many details for it to be a parable. How the arc was built, the materials, the sizes and other fine details of the flood. Parables are normally short punchy representations or an example of choices and behaviours to benifit believers,also to help them remember and visualise an example.
The evidence is clear. There was no global flood. Earth is approximately 4.5 billion years old. Evolution is accepted scientific fact. Vast bodies of knowledge confirm this. The story of Noah is fiction. End of story.
If you think it's a true historical event, and the story predates Christianity, then some aspects of Christianity are false since, if I remember correctly, one of the earliest mentions of the story was in the Epic of Gilgamesh from the Sumerians. Also, if I remember correctly, were people who believed in different gods and Marduk(?) as the Son of God who was prophesied to return one day.
But just because the earliest known writing predates the Bible doesn't prove its copied. Over 99% of all history has been lost, and more things are being discovered all the time. An easy explanation is that both stories come from the same source, but details got changed over time...such as Gilgamesh stating the ark was 2x as high and the rain only lasted 6 days. But most of the main parts of the account are consistent with both. To go further on this, many many cultures on earth have flood accounts mixed in with their creation story, and most of these have some form of animal saving also. Coincidence?...maybe. But also something you would expect to see if the Flood was a real event.
+Cody Imboden Did you say Kent Hovind?....c'mon now, I'm sorry but he's a quack. He couldn't even debate Dr. Hugh Ross on the matter without calling him names. Here's the thing, Genesis is not a Poem, its Historical. But the interpretation of some of the facts must be discussed further. For example, the bible never says how old the universe is. That is still up for discussion. I believe the universe is 14b years old. I also believe in a local flood that wiped out all of mankind. Dr. Hugh Ross goes deeper into the original Greek and the definitions of the word "Worldwide", etc. Cliff is right in terms of the use of the word "Worldwide".
To have everlasting life you absolutely must trust in the person and finished work of Christ alone for salvation. Saving repentance is turning from unbelief to belief.
@@MontysKillerRabbit Saving repentance is realizing that you are a sinner deserving of God's just punishment in Hell and turn (repent) from whatever you trusted in before, if indeed you trusted in anything; to trusting in the person and finished work of Christ (alone) for salvation. Sin is transgression of the law, therefore, repentance of sins is law keeping and is certainly a lifetime of works and has never saved anyone or contributed in any way to salvation. Jonah 3: 10 calls turning from sins," works."
@@colonalklink14 What garbage. You're saying everyone's a sinner? How about a 6 month old...? It's just a con job to get as many people to feel like they should feel guilty. And the Christian god apparently wrote everything that has happened and will happen, so if that God created all people as they are, it's his or her fault, not the people. It makes no sense and you should rethink your beliefs and actually use critical thinking.
Adam and Eve were not created the same day, so if those days were "millions of years" then how long did Adam live??? thats just one problem that arises if those days in Genesis were not literal days. And the text is very clear that the flood was worldwide, God was judging all of creation, not just a local creation! but I respect Cliffe always..
I recommend a mindset change on the approach. Take a page out of Cliff Knechtle’s approach. Take note how he listens and always tends to respect the person talking to him. You won’t reach the hearts and minds of those you are seeking if you continue this approach. It is possible to be pro life while also respecting your fellow man who don’t all agree.
At the end of the video Cliffe he gives his final comments. He enjoys talking about evidence, evidence, evidence.... what do you do when you don't have evidence? No matter how much evidence you have you can't be a Christian or begin to walk with Christ unless you have FAITH!!!
Which is something he talks about in other videos. Normally he says, "look at the evidence, then you have to take the extra step beyond the evidence, which is faith."
Hold on, the bible isn't silent about the process God used to create. It very clearly says God spoke us into existence, and over a 7 literal day period. If we claim that is open to interpretation, that means everything in the Bible can be reinterpreted as we see fit.
Our time is set by the regularity of our sun for determining days, months, seasons, years and we are promised cold and heat, springtime and harvest as long as the earth endures. But when God was creating the world, the sun had not yet been set in the sky, and the earth was formless. There was something there since God's spirit hovered over the deep. We also know that time runs faster or slower depending on where one is in the universe. Einstein theorized time dilation and I think it is quite possible that this is part of the riddle of Genesis' creation days. It does not diminish God's creative power for he did indeed speak life.
World wide flood. They have found seashells in the highest mountain, and petrified fish. The earth open up, and the gates of heaven. There is water above the firmament. Above the waters is heaven.
I do feel like you compromised in Genesis. Let God's word be the ultimate authority, and not interpret scripture based on the world. Interpret the world based on scripture. There are valid interpretations on evolution (macro is a philosophy, micro is observable science), and I don't understand why you would interpret the flood as local other than the pressure from the secular society.
@@juaneato the scriptures does not actually hold to that theory and if it were a local flood it would actually disqualify many other references regarding the event. A global flood makes sense based on all of the scripture that supports the flood as well as many events that have occurred in our world regarding the flood. I choose to believe a worldwide flood and it is a belief and I believe it makes sense. And if your belief is a localized flood then that is your belief. It's disingenuous to make emphatic statements or truth claims regarding what your beliefs are. Unless you're willing to address some of the conflicts of a localized flood as well as entertain the possibility of a global flood. Other than that they're your beliefs and your free to hold them
I feel as you do on the compromise. It isn't the first time. I face this conflict each time this subject matter is discussed. This occurrence here is the most concerning for my beliefs. Which is why I'm glad we are free to think and free to believe and free to discern. As you I believe with the text answers for itself and questions about the Bible are found within biblical text. I hold to my belief that the beginning is from the end as the end is from the beginning because the foundations of creation and scripture are set forth from Genesis to revelation. There are no contradictions. Genesis is a beautiful book. it was astounding to listen to Cliff describe the poetry of Genesis in the creation days as parallelism then have them Express his emphatic belief that Adam and Eve were real historical figures.
@@juaneato I think You are correct. I'm not aware of any reference directly at this point though I believe there are references pertaining to time frames and other related events as a result of Pangea. Without making a Truth claim. It's only within the last few months I've started Ed looking for these references to make connections. Not to impose beliefs but to bring those questions to the table and see if the scripture can answer them. The Bible is not a science book though it makes scientific references. It doesn't reveal formulas but it does talk about processes.
I watched about 10 of your videos..I was falling in love with your ministry until I saw this video...your take on Genesis broke my heart! Creation & The flood... Smh.
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE your videos cliff, Isent it 7x77? Or is it 70x7? Not sure, anyways please keep preaching the gospel and answering questions in person like these videos, It helps people like me and probably millions of others that watch your videos to have less dought and answer basically anything we have. At least that’s been my case. I love yuh bro fr youV helped me believe so much more and look at the Bible and faith as a whole so differently
Listening to this video again for the third time I think. I'm just astounded at the claims Cliff is making about Genesis he hasn't even quoted the text correctly
@@mr.zombie1617 Beginning with his advocating evolution as a process and saying nothing in the Bible contradicts that. Scripture most definitely contradicts that. I don't think or see that Cliff lends much credibility to Genesis. He touches more on Exodus and leviticus with seemingly more confidence however Genesis seems more of an afterthought when it's introduced.
@@mr.zombie1617 He strongly relates Genesis as poetry. He says there is nothing in Genesis chapter one that defines the proc as if creation or how long the process was. This is taking plain text and hebrew text and altering the meaning of text there. Not to mention that throughout the scripture there are also references to the creation account so it's not dependent only on chapter one. Exodus references the creation account. Revelation, I think Ephesians. There are a couple others I am aware of but would need to spend a little time reviewing
@@mr.zombie1617 then he has this thing he refers to as parallelism to describe the Genesis creation account as poetry. But then a chapter later he refers to chapter 2 in the creation of Adam and Eve as infallible in exactly the way it is described.
No one knows the Bible perfectly. I also don’t believe that micro evolution is in contradiction to any part of the Bible. God created everything, but that does not mean we don’t evolve in some ways or another to fit our changing world.
I've appreciated much of what Cliffe has to say as an apologist for the Christian faith but in the matter of evolution I find myself very strongly disagreeing with him. Micro-evolution (adaptation, mutation, natural selection) occurs, certainly, but the "goo-to-you-by-way-of-the-zoo" macro-evolution idea is too fraught with serious problems to be a viable scientific theory. And increasingly now this is coming to the fore - not among theistic scientists - but among secular ones. Cliffe does a serious disservice to the Christian worldview in asserting that macro-evolution and the biblical narrative are in accord. They most certainly are not!
Jon Hay I was thinking he agreed to macro evolution too but in another video he stated he does not. He just makes the point that macro evolution even if it were true doesn't contradict there being a Creator.
He totally scolded a kid that asked if he’d still be Christian preacher if he was born in the Middle East. Called him bunch of things in front of the crowd.
@@himwhoisnottobenamed5427evil cannot win, just imagine the level of evil that was prevalent back then. You live in the safest and most peaceful society we have yet to see.
True or false , if God revealed himself in any type of Physical form for us to witness, many would still be skeptical and we would continue to ask for an endless list of examples of his power, The fallen angels did the same. They felt our creator was their equal , like a child aging. Eventually they questioned his power and authority rather than accepting God as the one true alpha .
+hankp1414 A good thing to google is the 'Burgess shale' it's similar to finding fossils on Everest, these creatures date back over 500 million years, they are early sea creatures, all fascinating stuff.
+Cody Imboden Hmm, what age are these sea creatures according to you Cody. They found many types of arthropods which no longer exist, eg: type in 'Marrella' and read up about them, fascinating creatures. Where are you getting your information from Cody?
+bonnie43uk I don't spend my time debating on UA-cam. If you're actually interested, you can type in Kent hovind vs ......you'll get a bunch of debates with college profs.
Cody Imboden I have seen Kent's debates, the man is a buffoon, he's also just come out of jail for tax evasion. If he is your best defender of biblical literalism that doesn't say much for your position.
Regarding the state on 2:40 you can't prove something is absolutely false, I can only prove something is reasonably true. If i toss a coin 10'000 and i observate it lands on head or tail it will be pretty safe to assume that on the 10'001 throw it will land on one of those side, but i cant absolutely prove that in one of the toss the coin will land on a non existing facet even if as the name suggest is non existing, because you could always make the argument that i didnt do enough testing, and that eventually it could happen
Also the argument that genesis chapters one and two are contradictory accounts of creation, is incorrect because chapter 2 is a description of how Adam relates to the created world in which God placed him. It also explains in deeper form of how the creation of Adam and Eve took place.
Jesus Christ talked about the creation of the first male and female and also the most important old testament characters like Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, Elijah, David, Solomon and queen of Sheba. Evolution is false. The theme of the Bible is Salvation centred on the person of Jesus Christ.
read the book, scientific facts in the Bible - there is TONS of science in the Bible, written before scientist "discovered it, or practiced it" - GREAT BOOK by Ray Comfort
Can you please guide me to the video where he debunks that Horus egyptian supposed mythology. Were they supposably say he had a similar life and events as Jesus. Thanks.
I would like this guy to explain what Jesus meant in LUKE 12:49 when he said he did not come to cause peace in the world but, but division. And to set the world on fire. What did he mean by that? If the ultimate goal is not peace then what was his goal?
@@1_Divinity_1 Christianity has had to move so much in the past 500 years that if you spoke to a Christian back 500 years ago, and got them to speak to a Christian today, not only would they be literally talking different versions of the same language, they'd be at total odds in their beliefs. That's what science has done, it forced the religion to accept the earth isn't the centre of the universe, that most of the stories in the bible shouldn't be taken literally, that Adam and Eve is just another story lol
"And it was evening and it was morning, day 2..." What is the poetry here? There are actual days, not aeons or eras. Mr Cliffe, that is your interpretation.
@6:40, This young man talks evolution versus creation and on different days of creation. Simpler forms of life leading to man. What is his definition of simpler? If more chromosomes means more complex then we may be evolving to be a fern.
I still struggle with weather or not the creation story is factually true or not. Things can be true on multiple levels of analysis, for example one can write poems about mathematical truths. This poem could be true both from a poetic interpretation and a mathematical one. How can one determine if this is the case with the creation story?
A believer is given confidence in God's word by God. Jeremiah ch.31.., and is called by God to receive clarification & confirmation FROM Him, so we can have solid faith in Him & His promised. Jn.18v37, Rom. 15v8mm
1. Why are virtually all people morally minded? (See Romans 2:14-15) 2. Science requires faith, as you cannot do science without philosophy, and science is based upon a number of unprovable assumptions... (Like the belief that the future always reflects the past/that the future will always be like the past.) 3. Believing the evolution story that all living things share a common ancestor requires credulous faith. It requires that what we currently observe was not how things happened in the past. (See #2.) 4. How is it that parallelism = poetry = not history? 5. What is literal and what is poetic in Genesis? Is it just chapter 1 that is poetic? 6. What is the context/literal meaning of Genesis? 7. Who believes that God used science to create the world? It's a supernatural account, not science. The origins question is a philosophical question, not a scientific one. 8. If Adam and Eve were not real people, what do we do with original sin? (Romans 5:12?) 9. Are all the major events of Genesis - not real history? (Creation, the fall, Noah's Flood, Babel?) 10. Is "In the beginning GOD created..." unclear?
How do I get ahold of this man? There is a question I want to ask about the book of John, how ' no one can come to the father except through me ' was added later on, I am trying to find verses that show that Jesus is still the way, I want to know what this guy might say about it, if he hasn't yet. and if he has, where can I listen? does anyone know any alternative scriptures that prove the same thing?
@@dohope4554 During Constantine it seems that when the New Testament was made into a bible, a lot of things were changed, and many things omitted, because there was scriptures at the time talking against Kings at the time, so the king took things out that they found questionable, however I think that they used the book to gain power through religion, and added in specific statements that make it seem like that was the only religion to follow and all others are wrong.. Yet it is just recently being found that those things were changed. This scripture is not authentic, the original scripture in the original translation said something completely different. So my problem is, this word use makes claim that the only way to God is through Jesus, but as far as I'm aware, no other scripture in the book makes this claim. This is causing many other religions to believe that it makes no difference if Jesus is in the picture or not, that they all worship the same God. If the statement is true by other contexts, that Jesus IS the only and sole way to God (aka, not by any other disciples), then the scripture being added later would not change anything, and it would refute those who say Jesus is not the only way because that scripture was modified.
your quarrel with John 14:6 has nothing to do with Jesus or the bible, as much as you may think it is - you have a problem with God. please ponder on these words.
@@dohope4554 You misunderstand my intentions. This is something a friend of mine is plucking out to say the whole book of John is modified and unauthentic because of a translation change. I further looked into what they were talking about and apparently it is not John 14:6 but rather 1 John 5:7-8 I get the feeling they have quoted from someone who misunderstood John 5:7-8 and 1 John 5:7-8 are two different chapters But maybe I am wrong. but disregarding that, they say that John 1:5:7-8 is unauthentic and maybe that is why they think 14:6 is as well, since there are 'instances of being modified'
God has indeed given Pastor Cliff the gift to reach out to the young people.
I am really blessed by him
It's so beautiful to watch! ❤
..gift & much knowledge & wisdom.
Cliffe I just wanted to say that you are an amazing human being brought into this life. You have inspired me to continue pursuing my faith and beliefs. Thank you and God Bless you to the Stars and Back.
Smart young man! Proud of him! Gives me hope for this generation!
Science and faith are not in conflict with each other. They are in harmony!
exactly! good ethics and faith improve the results of scientific work.
No they’re not
maybe you're pertaining to delusion and faith
If you believe in it
@@HogExeNadoUserevidence?
You have a wonderful ability to connect with young minds in a special way. Thank you for the work you are doing and may God continue to bless your work.
Amen! Cliffe really does have the gift of gab and going tit for tat with every individual he reasons with. God bless this man and his son. Christianity is really not a belief that is based on fairytales or mythology, and it doesn't mean that we throw our brains out. It's just a higher level of thinking based on the natural but more so on the supernatural unseen world, which all NDE experiences, witchcraft seances and demonic possessions show that the supernatural world is just as reql as the natural.
Thanks Cliffe. Am learning a lot watching your videos. God bless you.
Don't learn or take in his idea or his belief in 'the process of Evolution'. I find him wrong on 1 thing and it is this. Idk what he's talking ab when he says 'Genesis I doesn't contridict the process of Evolution'. It contradicts evolution every way possible..the Bible doesn't say we all originated from the same common ancestor by mutating into over 100,000 diff species.. sorry Cliff you're wrong on this one. The Holy Bible also uses the word 'day' in Hebrew language over thirty something times and in everytime it is used, it is meant to be known as exactly 24 hours. It even says in Corinthians as to the reason God took 7 days to create the world, and it was to establish the work week for mankind. Makes sense to me idk ab u. The words 'evolution' or ' evolution process's cannot be found in the Bible, bc the words didn't exist and for me, it's bc it's not true. The Bible is the truth so it would be in there I would think. Idk why Cliff keeps going on and making reference to 'parallelism', an aspect of poetry. Cliff you are literally making the reference yourself and say that an aspect of poetry is proof of the possibility of evolution as being true, and somehow it's being used in Genesis I. I think you are waaaaaay out of bounds on this one intellectually speaking. It's obvious to see you are not taking Occamms razor scentifically serious. Idk what to tell u my friend other than I hope God opens your eyes on this one so you can see it for the lie it is and deep down you know the reason it was created. Simply put, to take God out of the equation. This is why 80% of all incoming freshman who are believers with faith consider themselves Atheists in less than a year. FACTS.
Male and female created he them on the 6th day (Adam). On the 8th day God "formed" Eth Ha Adam. This word is almost twice as long in the manuscripts. See here 👇
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@@treyg.4821 bro wrote an entire essay
@@treyg.4821mate cliffe doesn't believe in evolution as an origin. He believes in adaptation. Micro Evolution instead of macro evolution.
Need to pay more attention to his words
@@treyg.4821believing in micro evolution isn’t against any part of the Bible…
“We cannot attempt to understand the world by intellect alone.” -Carl Jung
Can’t with religion either lol
Freud- a cigar is just a cigar sweet heart
Freud- if it’s not your mother it’s your father
I’ve recently been born again as of Nov. 2018. I always believed in God and became a lukewarm Christian over time. I did shrooms, drank, but mostly smoked pot everyday. I look back and can’t believe how patient Jesus has been waiting for me (I’m 39). I have been saved by an angel or Jesus (not sure at the time) at least twice, but possibly 3 times.
A voice told me to let off the gas pedal when I was going through an intersection, as soon as I did, a truck blew a stop sign that would have killed me. I also fell asleep at the wheel another time and WOKE up while driving sitting upright and very much positioned like a robot. I ended up on the other side of town somehow! Fell into a pool’s deep end as a child, somehow my mother knew to check on me and pulled me out.
I had another experience where I was praying for a relative that was brutally murdered and burned alive years prior. I was HIT like a sledgehammer with unexplainable peace and joy. Instantly tears poured out of my eyes and I had the breath sucked out of me, totally winded. It was like I was experiencing the joy of heaven but my human body could not handle it! I also experienced an interaction with several demons in the basement of a psychic lady’s house who summoned them and spoke to them nightly. The fear and anger I felt as their eyes pierced my soul was like nothing of this earth......,over and over and over Jesus was calling me!!! I was too much of a fool to notice, even though I believed in Him!
In November of 2018, after a minor argument with my fiancée, I heard a demon’s voice talk to me telepathically in my mind- “I hate you, I’ll kill you and tear your family apart.” With the most conviction in my soul I commanded that thing to leave my house in the name of Jesus Christ. Every room in the house I yelled at it. I felt our Lord blast through my house and beat those things down! Whoosh gone! I prayed and thanked him and repented for allowing them to get close to me. He talked to me telepathically asking me questions and made me feel the guilt of my sins. Lots of information as a sort of psychic download into my heart and mind simultaneously. Question 1: “After all I’ve done for you, what have you done for Me, and others?” Question 2: “Am I NOT enough for you?” Then, the weight of my sins lifted, it was incredible.
Since that moment, I’ve had no desire to drink, smoke, blaspheme, masterbate, be angry, stressed out or sin at all. Wanting to share love with no other possible explanation. I notice the tiniest signs he puts in my path....I see them right away and chuckle, seeing He really does work in mysterious ways. I fully understand how to have a relationship with him and not need to physically see or hear our relationship. He is incredible people! Let him into your heart! I had felt in my soul the the extremes of joy and sorrow through just some of my life experiences..... Feeling the presence of God and Satan deep inside through strange encounters. For that, I am blessed to KNOW Christianity is the truth, yet I STILL tried to not fully commit.
He wants us all to repent and accept Him. He actually told me this! Don’t think you can sin all your life and God will be OK with it. He really will reward you if you follow with all your heart!! If you’d like to see the full story, check it out here- https ://ua-cam.com/video/W5Ib0N_0Kdg/v-deo.html
Thank you very much for this
That's awesome story. You've truly been blessed. Satan he preys on the weak and the stronger you spiritually became, the less of a threat to more like a joke he became to u. So glad u have conquered ur demons. I believe in God logically. I understand what u mean ab being lukewarm, and commonly have that very conversation w myself as to my own standing w God. But I have faith and he knows our hearts, our intentions towards others. I still smoke n would even do shrooms, but wouldn't take any drugs or anything chemically made by man. I hope u some more research on Cannabis to really see it's benefits more than anything negative it could bring on. CBD and THC are the 2 basic compounds that it exists in. The CBD compound is a natural herbal compound proven to show it heals the physical body, it doesn't hurt it in at all, impossible for it to hurt the body since since it bonds to pharmaceutical receptors in the body. It prevents and cures a load of illnesses. And it's my belief that THC is the 2nd compound used to help treat the pyche, not the physical but the mental. Studies showing how it helps w depression, also helping cancer patients hungry enough to want to eat. My point is that I hope u don't see anything God made in a negative light bc of corrupt people, a sinful man. Shrooms I believe have helped alot of ppl become more spiritual. You just have know how to separate the bs from the truth. Which even means don't always relate one thing to the other just bc they were happening at the same time during your life. I also have a schizophrenic older brother where I watched how much harm it did to his mentality. The truth is though he should have been smart enough to know not to use it. I know lots of ppl that it's not their thing which I'm totally ok with. I am pro choice, not make it mandatory or anything. But God bless u.
Have you ever lied, stolen, used God's name in vain, looked wuth lust? if so you need to repent today and Believe in Jesus Christ to save you from Hell and go to heaven instead
@@JesusisGodandKingofkimgs we are all guilty of all in various degree hence fail to see the relevance of your directed statement, rather praise the man for sharing his experience.
Blessed be the Lord Jesus Christ! What a blessing & beautiful testimony, peace be with you 💟
“Not forgiving is like eating rat poison and expecting the rat to die” so true
THIS IS NOT IN OUR OWN STRENGTH OR THERE WOULD BE NO GOOD NEWS , Jn 1v12 KJV,producing Matthew 5v9 & 2 Cor. 5v19& 20
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Rom.1v16, any Bible, 2 Cor.4v7.. JOHN 15v7.. Jn.17v26.. and yet again in Hebr.4v16.. THEREFORE Matt.11v28 Jn.8v31-32..
WHICH IS CAUSE FOR US To REJOICE, since by His blood we can freely approach our Heavenly Dad , through the torn curtain to get Matt.6v6, 7v7 whosoever we need Mark.11v24-26 to be found in God Jn.15v7 in our time of need> Matt.5v22- 26, WITH WARNING.
thank you Pastor Cliffe~ I really enjoy your videos and discussion
The meaning of Adam Eve and Noah’s names come from what the literal people went through. Adam means dust because he was formed from it. Eve means life because she is mother to us all. Noah means comfort because of the comfort of knowing that God can keep you safe from the world.
Look up the meaning of each person's name in Genesis 5. Mindblowing.
I thought Adam translates to Man, adams not a name, adam is MAN. Thats why in Gen 5 it says he BEGAT his son seth, doesn’t mention Eve because Adam is simply Mankind. IF IM NOT MISTAKEN*
@@mistowasabi5443Yes and no. Adam means man, adamah means soil/earth/ground. Adam, was also a name/person. If it helps, the first male was named man. Google, Ben adam vs adam.
i was going to say this. Adamah is "dust" as in earth/soil. Adam was derived from adamah because man (adam) was created from adamah@@BriggieBear
@@mistowasabi5443Adam is the Hebrew for "man." He is a real person, named after the generic term for man that is adam in Hebrew, which is why his proper name was "Adam."
He is gifted man. God bless
Pastor Cliff!!! FISHER OF MEN❤️✝️🙏
becoz his Master is the OG fishers of men! ❤😊
There is magnificent truth in Poetry! He is explaining the literary architectural narrative of Gen:1
I love the process vs origin concept.
I should have started by saying I appreciate many of your conversations because they are well reasoned and logical with sufficient evidence to prove your points.
Love wachin Cliff, God bless these men of Christ.
You got yourself a new subscriber! Great videos! I did not expect your videos to be this interesting. Great questions followed by great answers.
Its often clear to know what's a poem vs what isn't a poem in the Bible, AND what's presented as history. Genesis is history. Its also a mistake to claim parts of the bible as poetry when faced with tough answers. More often than not, its human interpretation that needs further investigation and study. Dr. Hugh Ross in my opinion is by far the best at interpreting the age of the universe as well as the location of the flood without messing with the integrity of the bible. In most cases, we have to study the context of certain words, phrases and context of those words in its original greek/hebrew to fully understand its meaning.
+Mike Locke Hi Mike, clearly the bible is made up of various writings over a long period of time, we have older writings from other parts of the globe which have no mention of this Yahweh character, they write about other Gods, every civilization known to man around the world has invented their own Gods. Reading the Old Testament, I get the sense that Yahweh is very similar to man, his emotions are that of a warlord who gets very angry with other tribes, he's certainly a God who demands to be obeyed, he seems to have a lot of jealousy in him, and woe betide any other local tribe who crosses his path. There is little or no mention of any real love of his creation, or a willingness to show any kind of tenderness. Any parent will spend inordinate amounts of time with their children and teach them skills they will need. All parents say 'No' to their children so they know what is good and what is bad, however, a really good parent will say 'No' and then sit down with the child and explain *why* they said no, they will explain the reasons, and consequences for doing something bad so the child has a broader understanding of why it's being told 'No'. Yahweh seems a very bad parent to me, if we are his children there is little or no schooling, we are just told to obey. Yahweh even gets so angry with us, he drowns the lot of us, women, children, babies, animals, ( the fish were spared i guess), save for a family of 8 and a boatload of various animals. You say Genesis is history Mike. I would say it's merely early mankinds attempt to explain the world around him, whoever wrote it knew nothing of other civilizations in other continents. I've no doubt people living in South America at the time knew nothing of this Yahweh character, they were too busy obeying their own God.
+bonnie43uk Tom, the best approach in proving that the Old Testament is true and historical is to discover if the New Testament is true and reliable. Why? because if the New Testament is true and reliable, the Old is also true and reliable because Jesus quoted and spoke of the Old Testament as being true and reliable. To discover if Jesus and the New Testament is true and reliable, you'd have to go through a series of questions and discoveries. The BEST (and easiest to understand) argument for the reliability of the New Testament is found in the book "I Don't Have Enough Faith to be An Atheist" by Frank Turek / Norman Geisler. There are so many easy flaws in your argument, that it would be best for you to first read that book before truly holding onto your position in a debate. For example, I could easily dispute your premiss with sound plausible evidence but then that would only lead you to the question, does a Theistic God exist? If no, then none of the old testament stuff is true. But if Yes, then you'd have to reason there had to been a reason for why God did what he did in the Old Testament. Many things will go unanswered but that's life. But you can rest assure that Jesus was nothing but Love, Mercy and Grace..... AND Jesus claimed to be God. So I'd have to disagree with you on that. ;)
***** Hi Mike, always good to hear from you. I do respect your view, although i respectfully disagree with you my friend. Re: I don't have enough faith to be an atheist book by Geisler and Turek, I am quite familiar with the book. If you are a committed Christian it will re-affirm your faith, no question, the fact it's a best selling book would confirm that. However, the arguments and points they make in the book can equally be rebutted by atheists. One of the guys I subscribe to here on UA-cam made an excellent series a few years ago whereby he reviews well known Christian books, The Turek book being one of them, he does quite a thorough review, chapter by chapter giving the atheist perspective whilst reading large portions of each chapter, his name is Steve Shives, and the video's are entitled "An atheist reads I don't have enough faith to be an atheist". I'm not sure whether you would want to view them it's entirely up to you, but Steve does a good job in rebutting the claims in the original book.
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You say Jesus is Love mercy and Grace, and that Jesus is God, well that bears no resemblance to the God of the Old Testament, Why are the 2 characters so different if they are the same person, .. and if they are, why does Jesus call out to his father on the cross if they are one and the same? The whole dying/resurrection thing for me just has too many flaws in it for me to believe it. God appears to be sacrificing himself to himself which makes no sense, and how can it be a sacrifice if Jesus ends up in heaven? if he ended up in hell forever it would make much more sense, albeit a terrible fate.
You said you could easily dispute my premise, I'd be happy to hear your thoughts on why the God of the Old Testament comes across as an Evil bully, wiping out entire tribes, etc, and also why people on other continents weren't also worshipping him, God seemed very angry with local tribes worshipping rival gods (Thou shalt have no other Gods before me), but didn't seem concerned in the slightest about further away Gods. To be honest, I don't think I've ever heard a Christian explain this.
+bonnie43uk Tom, here's what you're missing. Your premiss is based on opinion. To summarize your argument, you're saying that because the God of the Old Testament was mean, he can't be real or you can't believe in that God. That argument is built on opinion, not fact. God could very well be all of those things you mention and still be the God that created the universe and all of mankind. He's your God, you're just denying him. Opinion doesn't change absolute truth.
Regarding God the Father, the Son (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit. Ok, first off God exist outside our natural laws. He is supernatural. You agree? Now God can choose to create a Son (Jesus) that lives inside our natural laws but possess the same qualities both supernaturally and simultaneously live in our world. Jesus had to take on Human nature to die as a sin offering. Thirdly, God has a spirit, its the Holy Spirit. So three different persons but all one. You're trying to argue God and Jesus using laws within matter, time and space. God operates outside these laws.
Where does it state that God wasn't concerned with far away gods? It doesn't God said thou shalt not worship any other Gods. That's definitive to me to mean no other gods, period.
Lastly, its impossible to easily dispute the points in "I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist"...other than just simply not agreeing with it. I'd be happy for you dispute just one of Frank Turek's claims. I watched a few minutes of Steve's video and I get it, he sums it up the bible as "Made up Bull Sh*t"...his words exactly, lol. I love it when you don't agree with something, its just made up BS. :)
+Mike Locke Hi Mike, yes, my premise is based on opinion I guess, that's what these discussions are all about really, opinions. Btw, I'm not saying that because i think God is mean that he can't be real or that i can't believe in God, I don't totally rule God out of the picture, although I am very skeptical. You mentioned absolute truth, I'm not even sure I know what absolute truth is. I think doubting is a fundamental part of being human, it's good to doubt, it makes life more interesting.
Yes, I did know about the God the father, the son and the holy ghost.. i still struggle with the concept of how they differ. You ask me whether i agree that God is supernatural, I agree with that in the same sense that Superman is supernatural. As an actual real entity, no, I don't believe in God, if i see some credible evidence I will change my mind. I think this is something we've discussed before no doubt. People do ask me 'what would you constitute as proof of God'??, Well, thats a good question, I have a fascination with miracles ( something that would defy the known laws of physics), so, if a group of Christians prayed for a particular amputee victim to be healed, and the next day, he/she had their limb restored, I would be queuing up at my local church as a new convert to Christianity, I give you my word of honour ( or honor as you Americans spell it).
Now of course, i know this will not happen because miracles of that nature don't happen, But I'm guessing God could do it if he so wished. Now the answer i get is that God won't do that because he's not here to do magical tricks or to perform for my benefit. Well, he seems to intervene all the time if we're led to believe what Christians say, he healed this person of cancer, he did this, he did that. It was a miracle from God. But God won't heal an amputee.. even though it would leave us atheists without a leg to stand on ( excuse the pun). Let me ask you this Mike, in all honesty, is it your belief that God wants me to have a relationship with him? Does he Love me?, I'm sure you will say yes. Maybe you could pray for an amputee to be healed on my behalf if he won't do it for me. With that one gesture, God could convert thousands of atheists in one fail swoop. I'd be at the front of the queue. If God can create a universe, healing an amputee would be as easy as blinking for him.
Regarding Frank Tureks book Mike, you say you'd be happy if i disputed just one of his claims. I know that various times in the book Frank made reference to a university or college professor ( an atheist i believe), whom he stumped, or made the professor look bad by using some kind of Christian logic. (I will try and find the reference if i can for you). Who exactly was this professor?, what was his name, and is he around to acknowledge the particular incidents actually occurred. I think Turek doesn't name him, that's not to say it didn't happen, but it should be easily verifiable to find the person in question. I'm not calling Frank Turek a liar, but I think there may be a possibility these incidents may be embellished on Franks part. It's a common human trait, sometimes events we recall from the past we get facts wrong.
That guy in the red shirt asked some very good questions.
Praise JESUS the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who is watching all cliffes videos from the past hhah
He did but got terrible and poor answers
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A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.
~ Proverbs 18:2
@@GraftedOliveBranch If you have to quote Bible verses to make a point shows you have no opinion yourself . I have no interest in a book written by men wishing to gain control over others, it means nothing to me, Word of God !!!LOL
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If you have no interest in it, then why are you here?... Nothing better to do huh?. 🧐
I salute this young dude! This was me when I was in college - questioning professors and authority!
I believe I recognize Cliffe from coming to my university about 30 years ago.
I love how your videos have a verity of intros. also First!
8 People. 😉 I am appreciative of the Student’s engagement with Cliffe. Bravo💯
With regard the Genesis and evolution it always seems to he a topic of inconvenience but needs to be addressed because it's part of the conversation for many students.
Cliff is someone I can listen too. I don't necessarily agree with everything he says, I don't follow religion anymore, for many reasons. But he is no ordinary preacher. He doesn't judge. He's very knowledgeable and explains a lot. He doesn't go to pride events and tell gays to repent or they will be damned at their end.
Being gay is a sin.
Me encanta ver estos videos. Me hacen pensar y considerar nuevos argumentos.
hola, no saves si tiene algun video en Español? Perdón 🤔
@@mrosariogarcia08 hola, solo he visto que están subtitulados. Los puedes encontrar aquí mismo en UA-cam
@@alexponcesv mil gracias por responder 😔🙏💖
Man cliffe you rock! 🙏❤️👏🏻💯
Poetic structure doesn't mean metaphorical interpretation, especially for Genesis.
A very respectable debate - both showing respect for each other 👏🏻
Cliffe, you should watch Kent Hovind videos regarding evolution. Don't buy into evolution (adaptation within the same taxonomy family) been the same as Darwinian evolution (variations beyond its taxonomy family), because the issue is not the evidence regarding evolution, is their interpretation of it. Darwinian evolution is a religion by mere definition, not science.
God bless.
+FernandoP1 - Art Zone Productions Hi Juan, it staggers me that you don't accept evolution and recommend the video's of Kent Hovind, he has no credible scholarship or knowledge of science. His qualifications are extremely dubious. I will grant you he is a gifted speaker who talks with extreme confidence, I can see why people are taken in with his patter. Juan, let me ask you an honest question, How old do you think this planet we all live on is?
+bonnie43uk - Hi Tom, you surely love Cliffe video don't you? It depends what you mean by evolution (we already talk about that 1 year ago), evolution and Darwinian evolution are not the same Tom. Evolution as adaptation within the same taxonomy family happen, not beyond that.
"Kent Hovind official" is his UA-cam channel and he upload a video there everyday and he already respond about this same critic you did and about his jail issue on structure, not about tax evasion.
We already talk about the age of the earth about 5 month ago Tom, but here it is again, I believe is around 6000 years old historically speaking, scientifically is impossible since science can't demonstrate a linear climate to assume linear decay.
Take care.
FernandoP1 - Art Zone Productions Yes, I do enjoy listening to the students in Cliffe's video's. I think they give good arguments. I comment on all Cliffe's latest video's. I think Cliffe would agree with me that the planet we live on is much much older than 6,000 years. How old do you believe the universe to be?
+bonnie43uk -Scientifically speaking, there is no way to certainly know how old is the universe, only historically speaking (which is the same about 6000 years old).
FernandoP1 - Art Zone Productions I would disagree with you there Juan, science has discovered much about the age of our planet and indeed the universe. We have this information available to us today in the form of the internet. Simply type into Google "The age of the Universe", and pages and pages of information will appear on our laptops, much of this information has come from people in that particular branch of science, such as physics and astronomy, this information has been gathered over many centuries and been tested and re-tested, we have a pretty good idea that it's accurate information. That same information has taken mankind into space, it's extremely precise. A few months ago we actually landed a probe on a passing comet. This set off from Earth in 2004, it took 11 years to reach it's target. Type into google "Rosetta mission". As you know, we have also landed a rover on Mars and we're getting fantastic information about this planet. The point I'm making is that human technology is incredibly accurate, what we know about our surroundings here on Earth and in outer space is dependent on testable, repeatable science. To say the Earth is 6000 years old is a little like saying the distance between New York and London is 3 miles. It's not based on any credible scientific data. And it's wrong by many magnitudes.
Using an ancient book to try and figure out how old the earth is, is very bad science. No school here in the UK would teach such a thing. Kids have access to the internet today and they can check information out for themselves, and they do.
Anyhoo, i know you will disagree with me, but it's good to get your thoughts. Kent Hovind is not somebody I would trust regarding scientific information. His credentials are highly suspect. Where did he learn his information from?, what papers did he study to come up with his theories?
Love cliffe biblical insight❤❤ bless him. Lord answers prayers
"No, wait, grow, go"
I disagree with Cliffs statement on the text not nailing down whether the flood was worldwide or not. Genesis 7:17-29 is quite explicit:
“Now the flood was on the earth forty days. The waters increased and lifted up the ark, and it rose high above the earth. The waters prevailed and greatly increased on the earth, and the ark moved about on the surface of the waters. And the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth, and all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered.”
How can all high hills under heaven be covered and yet not cover the whole earth? Am I missing something?
Agreed.
Because the Bible was not written in English
I actually disagree when clife says that the bible doesn’t disprove evolution. “So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.”
Genesis 1:27 I 100% believe in adaptation, but this verse in Genesis proves that humans did not evolve 6:01
Wao. I feel encouraged and growing more spiritually through this
Can you define "spiritual" for me, cause no one really has much of a definition.
@@MontysKillerRabbit the part of you that is not physical, your soul/spirit.
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So spiritual equals soul?
That makes no sense.
@@MontysKillerRabbit makes perfect sense to me but alright.
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You clearly don't understand logic.
How can the word SPIRITUAL equal SOUL.
If someone says "I am spiritual", you're saying it also means "I am soul".
How does that even make grammatical sense...
Not so bright are you.
Wow that’s awesome you started your church in such a liberal place in a school. Born in Southington Connecticut but I was a Catholic. Now I go to Bible Fellowship and have a relationship with Jesus.
"To believe only in the idea of God and not God himself." Cliff said he liked that in his closing statement. That seems to encapsulate the faith of the modern Orthodox Christian in America. Our relationship with God is what is important to love God, we can't love an idea, a concept, we love a being. We have an eye single to the glory of God, a being and a relationship of love. God is not an immaterial idea, heaven is not an immaterial realm, God is transcendent perfected spiritual material not worldly mundane material.
I've never met Cliffe but i enjoy his video's and his interaction with young students, I am an atheist, and I'd like to think if we ever met I'd be one of his atheist friends. As many of the people who read these comments know, I like to give the 'other side' to some of his arguments, I'm sure Cliffe would agree it's good to think and discuss this topic of God/Jesus/Life and how we live our lives. I've also repeated many times, if Christianity works for you, embrace it. Life is tough for many people, I do understand the appeal of Christ, but as i see it, it also has many flaws.
+Maz Hi Maz, good question. I was never really comfortable with all these biblical stories, they seemed to lack credibility, but when you are raised in a Christian culture, where adults all around you are believing this stuff, as a child, you think they must know something i don't. But as I got older, my skepticism only grew. I'm at a point in my life now where i'm virtually certain Christianity is based on conjecture. When it comes right down to the nitty gritty of 'did this stuff really happen'? .. I'm not convinced by the evidence, I think we have spoken about this before if memory serves me right. I just have too many questions which I don't seem to find good answers for. Not only that, i don't agree with the premise of Christianity that we must accept Jesus in order to be saved. Saved from what?, a separation from Christ? What is this cast iron proof that he even existed?, I'm sure I've mentioned to you in the past, outside of the Gospels, there is little if any concrete proof of Jesus. It's a great subject to discuss though, hence why I enjoy these chats. As i always say, if it works for you, go with it. :-)
***** Hi , thanks for your kind words, yes, I think that it's always more productive to have honest debate about this issue of Jesus, rather than to completely dismiss it as nonsense. I was raised to believe it and it's played a major part in my upbringing. But I no longer believe it now, I do, as you say, keep an open mind, I would be willing to change my view if I saw credible evidence, but unfortunately I don't. You call it "The truth", well, I'm not seeing this 'truth', and the more i look, the less i find. I'm still searching, over the past, I'd say 10 years or so, I've taken an interest in the bible, I feel a lot of what I was told was simply indoctrination. I know that's not a nice word to use about somebody's honest faith, but when you see it from a perspective outside of Christianity, the whole thing looks completely different. I've been accused of being a troll by some of the people I've chatted with in these comment sections in previous video's, because I don't accept what Cliffe is saying as fact, and question his beliefs. But it's a subject I'm fascinated with. I don't tell anyone to stop believing it, if it gives you comfort and solace in life, I urge you to carry on believing it. But it's not worked for me, I've found comfort and solace in understanding how the bible came to be, and how easily a whole religion can spring from the human mind and become a massive force. Our 'truths' appear to be very different. Feel free to ask me anything and I will give you a truthful answer.
***** and may your God bring you good tidings :-)
I'm sorry, Cliffe, but I have a huge problem with the statement that Genesis 1 is poetry. I also have a huge problem with theistic evolution. I very strongly disagree with you on this one, so I'm afraid it is a massive case of agreeing to disagree.
However, I also echo with the crowd here in saying that you are a massive blessing to me and so many others on here. Thanks for what you do, and please keep it up. God bless.
Jesus quoted Genesis as REAL HISTORY - a real historical event. Sorry Cliff, love your work but your wrong on that one. "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female," ~ Matthew 19:4
If that is not a historical statement, then I have no idea what a historical statement looks like. Evolution is a retarded, non-scientific religion. Dogs produce Dogs, Cats produce cats end of story.
"And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good." ~ Genesis 1:12
+BecomingMike Oh I know about micro evolution (stupid term) and how it describes variations within kinds. Dogs produce a variety of dogs and may have a common ancestor, DOG. Dog, wolf, coyote and Fox probably had a common ancestor, DOG KIND. That is where it ends. Anything else, is pure imagination.
If you put a frog in a blender, no amount of time, will turn that FROG SOUP back into a FROG over millions of years. Does not happen. Only takes place in ones imagination. DNA frequency exists and can change different variations within a KIND, but genetic complexity increasing over time is pure fantasy.
DNA similarities proves common designer. Not a common ancestor.
+newygreek Exactly. Its not poetry. Jesus quoted it many times as historical fact!
KIND - Those that are able to bring forth after its kind.
Hmm the language thing again. Ok, let me explain something to you. What was it originally, a language. What did the modern English we speak today become. Another Language.
We started with a language, and developed a new language. Words to convey meaning.
No cats and dogs are not the same kind as they do not reproduce.
I have a question for you? Where did we come from? How did non-organic molecules evolve into organic molecules. I won't get into Cosmic and planetary evolution as we will be here for "millions of years".
People who believe they came from a rock may contain some basis in fact. Their heads still contain them.
+newygreek Evolution has more to do with adaption to environment than anything else, most of the time the changes to generations are so tiny you wouldn't notice them, Imagine taking a picture of your own face every morning, it would show no visible sign of change whatsoever, but you do get older, thats a kind of comparison. You may not agree with evolution, but it's a fact my friend. The sheer tonnage of information we have on evolution surpasses anything in any other branch of science.
+newygreek The question of how life began is still being investigated, that branch of science is called abiogenesis, it is separate from evolution. Evolution explains the diversity of life, not how it initially began.
Honest question. If an atheist prayed and said "Jesus, I don't believe in you, but if I'm wrong and you are real and you did actually die on the cross to save me of my sins, I accept your gift"
Would that count?
The story of Noah is not a parable but it is clearly a historical recap of a true event.
My reasoning is that there are too many details for it to be a parable. How the arc was built, the materials, the sizes and other fine details of the flood. Parables are normally short punchy representations or an example of choices and behaviours to benifit believers,also to help them remember and visualise an example.
The evidence is clear. There was no global flood. Earth is approximately 4.5 billion years old. Evolution is accepted scientific fact. Vast bodies of knowledge confirm this. The story of Noah is fiction. End of story.
If you think it's a true historical event, and the story predates Christianity, then some aspects of Christianity are false since, if I remember correctly, one of the earliest mentions of the story was in the Epic of Gilgamesh from the Sumerians.
Also, if I remember correctly, were people who believed in different gods and Marduk(?) as the Son of God who was prophesied to return one day.
But just because the earliest known writing predates the Bible doesn't prove its copied. Over 99% of all history has been lost, and more things are being discovered all the time.
An easy explanation is that both stories come from the same source, but details got changed over time...such as Gilgamesh stating the ark was 2x as high and the rain only lasted 6 days. But most of the main parts of the account are consistent with both.
To go further on this, many many cultures on earth have flood accounts mixed in with their creation story, and most of these have some form of animal saving also.
Coincidence?...maybe. But also something you would expect to see if the Flood was a real event.
Amen 🙏🏼
thumbs up if youd like to see cliffe debate kent hovind on this issue (creation and the flood)
+Cody Imboden Cliffe & Kent Hovind on the same side??
+Michael Ramos on the subject of creation they would differ.
idk how so?
+Michael Ramos because Kent hovind believes the Genesis account is literal historical narrative. Cliffe has twisted it into a poem.
+Cody Imboden Did you say Kent Hovind?....c'mon now, I'm sorry but he's a quack. He couldn't even debate Dr. Hugh Ross on the matter without calling him names. Here's the thing, Genesis is not a Poem, its Historical. But the interpretation of some of the facts must be discussed further. For example, the bible never says how old the universe is. That is still up for discussion. I believe the universe is 14b years old. I also believe in a local flood that wiped out all of mankind. Dr. Hugh Ross goes deeper into the original Greek and the definitions of the word "Worldwide", etc. Cliff is right in terms of the use of the word "Worldwide".
That intro sound track. I dig it
Also if Adam was not a literal first man then the fall into sin loses the whole argument in the New Testament
Not only the New, but the old as well. Sin was very prevalent all throughout the Bible.
@@Kay_OCplumbobs everywhere
@@UltriLeginaXI wdym?
@@UltriLeginaXI oh I get it nvm 😂
@@Kay_OC should have left it like that. Would make a funny joke for onlookers XD
Turn to Christ and God bless you all!🙏❤️✝️
To have everlasting life you absolutely must trust in the person and finished work of Christ alone for salvation.
Saving repentance is turning from unbelief to belief.
What the h is "saving repentance"?
@@MontysKillerRabbit Saving repentance is realizing that you are a sinner deserving of God's just punishment in Hell and turn (repent) from whatever you trusted in before, if indeed you trusted in anything; to trusting in the person and finished work of Christ (alone) for salvation.
Sin is transgression of the law, therefore, repentance of sins is law keeping and is certainly a lifetime of works and has never saved anyone or contributed in any way to salvation.
Jonah 3: 10 calls turning from sins," works."
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What garbage. You're saying everyone's a sinner? How about a 6 month old...?
It's just a con job to get as many people to feel like they should feel guilty.
And the Christian god apparently wrote everything that has happened and will happen, so if that God created all people as they are, it's his or her fault, not the people.
It makes no sense and you should rethink your beliefs and actually use critical thinking.
Ty so much, this help me alot and i can tell that it helped other people too, tysm ❤
Adam and Eve were not created the same day, so if those days were "millions of years" then how long did Adam live??? thats just one problem that arises if those days in Genesis were not literal days. And the text is very clear that the flood was worldwide, God was judging all of creation, not just a local creation! but I respect Cliffe always..
+stonebrownalien "millions of years"; Cliffe did not mention any number fugues.
@@PaleMist he does not count them as literal days.
I have extreme conflict with Cliffs takes in evolution and Genesis
It’s not a problem because death wasn’t in the picture at that moment in time
@Coobest 64 exactly
It literally says Adam lived to be like 900 years..
I recommend a mindset change on the approach. Take a page out of Cliff Knechtle’s approach. Take note how he listens and always tends to respect the person talking to him. You won’t reach the hearts and minds of those you are seeking if you continue this approach. It is possible to be pro life while also respecting your fellow man who don’t all agree.
At the end of the video Cliffe he gives his final comments. He enjoys talking about evidence, evidence, evidence.... what do you do when you don't have evidence?
No matter how much evidence you have you can't be a Christian or begin to walk with Christ unless you have FAITH!!!
Which is something he talks about in other videos. Normally he says, "look at the evidence, then you have to take the extra step beyond the evidence, which is faith."
Amen!!
Hold on, the bible isn't silent about the process God used to create. It very clearly says God spoke us into existence, and over a 7 literal day period. If we claim that is open to interpretation, that means everything in the Bible can be reinterpreted as we see fit.
Our time is set by the regularity of our sun for determining days, months, seasons, years and we are promised cold and heat, springtime and harvest as long as the earth endures. But when God was creating the world, the sun had not yet been set in the sky, and the earth was formless. There was something there since God's spirit hovered over the deep. We also know that time runs faster or slower depending on where one is in the universe. Einstein theorized time dilation and I think it is quite possible that this is part of the riddle of Genesis' creation days. It does not diminish God's creative power for he did indeed speak life.
I hope/pray the Student’s exchange encouraged his future inquiry.🙏💯
What.a.nice.young.man.
How they explained this is exactly how i believe. Im just to stupid to put it in to words. 😂 Good job guys
World wide flood. They have found seashells in the highest mountain, and petrified fish. The earth open up, and the gates of heaven. There is water above the firmament. Above the waters is heaven.
Doesn’t prove your bible.
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Lol. Is not just ,there is more. Now. Show me what you believe in a true. Show me the evidence
Wowzi, i find his arguments easy to debunk
I do feel like you compromised in Genesis. Let God's word be the ultimate authority, and not interpret scripture based on the world. Interpret the world based on scripture. There are valid interpretations on evolution (macro is a philosophy, micro is observable science), and I don't understand why you would interpret the flood as local other than the pressure from the secular society.
It was local if it was Pangea. Pangea was localized and then it was the flood itself that moved the land masses around to where they are.
@@juaneato the scriptures does not actually hold to that theory and if it were a local flood it would actually disqualify many other references regarding the event.
A global flood makes sense based on all of the scripture that supports the flood as well as many events that have occurred in our world regarding the flood.
I choose to believe a worldwide flood and it is a belief and I believe it makes sense.
And if your belief is a localized flood then that is your belief. It's disingenuous to make emphatic statements or truth claims regarding what your beliefs are.
Unless you're willing to address some of the conflicts of a localized flood as well as entertain the possibility of a global flood.
Other than that they're your beliefs and your free to hold them
I feel as you do on the compromise.
It isn't the first time. I face this conflict each time this subject matter is discussed.
This occurrence here is the most concerning for my beliefs.
Which is why I'm glad we are free to think and free to believe and free to discern.
As you I believe with the text answers for itself and questions about the Bible are found within biblical text.
I hold to my belief that the beginning is from the end as the end is from the beginning because the foundations of creation and scripture are set forth from Genesis to revelation. There are no contradictions.
Genesis is a beautiful book.
it was astounding to listen to Cliff describe the poetry of Genesis in the creation days as parallelism then have them Express his emphatic belief that Adam and Eve were real historical figures.
@@landofthefree2023 The Bible is silent on Pangaea. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
@@juaneato I think You are correct.
I'm not aware of any reference directly at this point though I believe there are references pertaining to time frames and other related events as a result of Pangea.
Without making a Truth claim. It's only within the last few months I've started Ed looking for these references to make connections.
Not to impose beliefs but to bring those questions to the table and see if the scripture can answer them.
The Bible is not a science book though it makes scientific references.
It doesn't reveal formulas but it does talk about processes.
Evolution is a Theory, folks!😁
I watched about 10 of your videos..I was falling in love with your ministry until I saw this video...your take on Genesis broke my heart! Creation & The flood... Smh.
Earth is flat, and we live in the dome of God's firmament. Space is a hoax. Heliocentrism is of the Devil.
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE your videos cliff, Isent it 7x77? Or is it 70x7? Not sure, anyways please keep preaching the gospel and answering questions in person like these videos, It helps people like me and probably millions of others that watch your videos to have less dought and answer basically anything we have. At least that’s been my case. I love yuh bro fr youV helped me believe so much more and look at the Bible and faith as a whole so differently
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Listening to this video again for the third time I think. I'm just astounded at the claims Cliff is making about Genesis he hasn't even quoted the text correctly
How so?
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Beginning with his advocating evolution as a process and saying nothing in the Bible contradicts that.
Scripture most definitely contradicts that.
I don't think or see that Cliff lends much credibility to Genesis. He touches more on Exodus and leviticus with seemingly more confidence however Genesis seems more of an afterthought when it's introduced.
@@mr.zombie1617 He strongly relates Genesis as poetry. He says there is nothing in Genesis chapter one that defines the proc as if creation or how long the process was.
This is taking plain text and hebrew text and altering the meaning of text there.
Not to mention that throughout the scripture there are also references to the creation account so it's not dependent only on chapter one.
Exodus references the creation account.
Revelation, I think Ephesians. There are a couple others I am aware of but would need to spend a little time reviewing
@@mr.zombie1617 then he has this thing he refers to as parallelism to describe the Genesis creation account as poetry. But then a chapter later he refers to chapter 2 in the creation of Adam and Eve as infallible in exactly the way it is described.
No one knows the Bible perfectly. I also don’t believe that micro evolution is in contradiction to any part of the Bible. God created everything, but that does not mean we don’t evolve in some ways or another to fit our changing world.
0:36 he said thugs to who ever is confused
Cliffe is such an intellectual. I wish I saw his soploegtics sooner. Having andrew tate as a role model was not good
I've appreciated much of what Cliffe has to say as an apologist for the Christian faith but in the matter of evolution I find myself very strongly disagreeing with him. Micro-evolution (adaptation, mutation, natural selection) occurs, certainly, but the "goo-to-you-by-way-of-the-zoo" macro-evolution idea is too fraught with serious problems to be a viable scientific theory. And increasingly now this is coming to the fore - not among theistic scientists - but among secular ones. Cliffe does a serious disservice to the Christian worldview in asserting that macro-evolution and the biblical narrative are in accord. They most certainly are not!
Jon Hay I was thinking he agreed to macro evolution too but in another video he stated he does not. He just makes the point that macro evolution even if it were true doesn't contradict there being a Creator.
He totally scolded a kid that asked if he’d still be Christian preacher if he was born in the Middle East. Called him bunch of things in front of the crowd.
Thr story of Noah: the righteous will prevail!
More like: God has a hissy fit and kills most of his creation because he got assmad.
@@himwhoisnottobenamed5427evil cannot win, just imagine the level of evil that was prevalent back then.
You live in the safest and most peaceful society we have yet to see.
True or false , if God revealed himself in any type of Physical form for us to witness, many would still be skeptical and we would continue to ask for an endless list of examples of his power, The fallen angels did the same. They felt our creator was their equal , like a child aging. Eventually they questioned his power and authority rather than accepting God as the one true alpha .
Genesis 1 is not poetry.
i take it literally and can also see the poetic nature of it too
Genesis 1 is meant to be taken figuratively, not literally.
Genesis 1 is perfectly accurate, not poetry each day 24 h
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What is the poetic form of Genesis 1?
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How do you know that? How do you know that your figurative interpretation (which you've not disclosed) is literally correct?
There is no "God vs Science" They work together greatly and explain eachother
I encourage everyone to look up how fossilized clam shells on the top of mount Everest. I'm thinking global flood.... ;-)
+hankp1414 A good thing to google is the 'Burgess shale' it's similar to finding fossils on Everest, these creatures date back over 500 million years, they are early sea creatures, all fascinating stuff.
+bonnie43uk they aren't 500 million years old.
+Cody Imboden Hmm, what age are these sea creatures according to you Cody. They found many types of arthropods which no longer exist, eg: type in 'Marrella' and read up about them, fascinating creatures. Where are you getting your information from Cody?
+bonnie43uk I don't spend my time debating on UA-cam. If you're actually interested, you can type in Kent hovind vs ......you'll get a bunch of debates with college profs.
Cody Imboden I have seen Kent's debates, the man is a buffoon, he's also just come out of jail for tax evasion. If he is your best defender of biblical literalism that doesn't say much for your position.
Regarding the state on 2:40 you can't prove something is absolutely false, I can only prove something is reasonably true. If i toss a coin 10'000 and i observate it lands on head or tail it will be pretty safe to assume that on the 10'001 throw it will land on one of those side, but i cant absolutely prove that in one of the toss the coin will land on a non existing facet even if as the name suggest is non existing, because you could always make the argument that i didnt do enough testing, and that eventually it could happen
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They found Noah's Ark.
No. Just no. Go on, where do you think it was found?
Stop being gullible.
No they didn’t
Also the argument that genesis chapters one and two are contradictory accounts of creation, is incorrect because chapter 2 is a description of how Adam relates to the created world in which God placed him. It also explains in deeper form of how the creation of Adam and Eve took place.
Jesus Christ talked about the creation of the first male and female and also the most important old testament characters like Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, Elijah, David, Solomon and queen of Sheba. Evolution is false. The theme of the Bible is Salvation centred on the person of Jesus Christ.
It would be so cool to meet Mr. Cliff, just to talk about whatever with him
God made so many efforts and gave humanity so many chances to embrace him prior to the flood…..
If it was ' just ' human sin I think God would have let it continue much longer.
There was much more to it.
The flood, if you're talking about a global flood, never happened, and there's no evidence of a god
read the book, scientific facts in the Bible - there is TONS of science in the Bible, written before scientist "discovered it, or practiced it" - GREAT BOOK by Ray Comfort
Corinthians 1:18...
That is all it boils down to.
Can you please guide me to the video where he debunks that Horus egyptian supposed mythology. Were they supposably say he had a similar life and events as Jesus. Thanks.
Dear Cliff, Genesis 1 is literal! It is not WHAT you convoluted!!!
I would like this guy to explain what Jesus meant in LUKE 12:49 when he said he did not come to cause peace in the world but, but division. And to set the world on fire. What did he mean by that? If the ultimate goal is not peace then what was his goal?
Lol I like how religion is accepting evolution now.
It has to keep moving to the science otherwise it'll look ignorant.
@@MontysKillerRabbit It just defies their doctrines.
@@1_Divinity_1 Christianity has had to move so much in the past 500 years that if you spoke to a Christian back 500 years ago, and got them to speak to a Christian today, not only would they be literally talking different versions of the same language, they'd be at total odds in their beliefs.
That's what science has done, it forced the religion to accept the earth isn't the centre of the universe, that most of the stories in the bible shouldn't be taken literally, that Adam and Eve is just another story lol
@@1_Divinity_1macro evolution does not mean the origin of the human species lol.
@@JohnjOcampo The bible doesnt talk about evolution and it assumes all animals spawned as they are today.
"And it was evening and it was morning, day 2..." What is the poetry here? There are actual days, not aeons or eras. Mr Cliffe, that is your interpretation.
@6:40, This young man talks evolution versus creation and on different days of creation. Simpler forms of life leading to man. What is his definition of simpler? If more chromosomes means more complex then we may be evolving to be a fern.
Cliffs brother on Modern day debate got hitched slapped priceless 8
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I still struggle with weather or not the creation story is factually true or not. Things can be true on multiple levels of analysis, for example one can write poems about mathematical truths. This poem could be true both from a poetic interpretation and a mathematical one. How can one determine if this is the case with the creation story?
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I can't give you an answer until you give me a question.
A believer is given confidence in God's word by God. Jeremiah ch.31.., and is called by God to receive clarification & confirmation FROM Him, so we can have solid faith in Him & His promised. Jn.18v37, Rom. 15v8mm
Seriously if it's real serious correct science there's no contradiction in the two.
When was this recorded?
2015. Back when the world was so much more normal.
I love his argument but personally I don’t believe in the evolution theory. 6 day young earth creationist here! ❤
1. Why are virtually all people morally minded? (See Romans 2:14-15)
2. Science requires faith, as you cannot do science without philosophy, and science is based upon a number of unprovable assumptions... (Like the belief that the future always reflects the past/that the future will always be like the past.)
3. Believing the evolution story that all living things share a common ancestor requires credulous faith. It requires that what we currently observe was not how things happened in the past. (See #2.)
4. How is it that parallelism = poetry = not history?
5. What is literal and what is poetic in Genesis? Is it just chapter 1 that is poetic?
6. What is the context/literal meaning of Genesis?
7. Who believes that God used science to create the world? It's a supernatural account, not science. The origins question is a philosophical question, not a scientific one.
8. If Adam and Eve were not real people, what do we do with original sin? (Romans 5:12?)
9. Are all the major events of Genesis - not real history? (Creation, the fall, Noah's Flood, Babel?)
10. Is "In the beginning GOD created..." unclear?
How do I get ahold of this man? There is a question I want to ask about the book of John, how ' no one can come to the father except through me ' was added later on, I am trying to find verses that show that Jesus is still the way, I want to know what this guy might say about it, if he hasn't yet. and if he has, where can I listen? does anyone know any alternative scriptures that prove the same thing?
I did a quick search and it seems generally agreed that John 14:6 is authentic. what's your problem?
@@dohope4554 During Constantine it seems that when the New Testament was made into a bible, a lot of things were changed, and many things omitted, because there was scriptures at the time talking against Kings at the time, so the king took things out that they found questionable, however I think that they used the book to gain power through religion, and added in specific statements that make it seem like that was the only religion to follow and all others are wrong.. Yet it is just recently being found that those things were changed.
This scripture is not authentic, the original scripture in the original translation said something completely different.
So my problem is, this word use makes claim that the only way to God is through Jesus, but as far as I'm aware, no other scripture in the book makes this claim. This is causing many other religions to believe that it makes no difference if Jesus is in the picture or not, that they all worship the same God.
If the statement is true by other contexts, that Jesus IS the only and sole way to God (aka, not by any other disciples), then the scripture being added later would not change anything, and it would refute those who say Jesus is not the only way because that scripture was modified.
your quarrel with John 14:6 has nothing to do with Jesus or the bible, as much as you may think it is - you have a problem with God. please ponder on these words.
@@dohope4554 You misunderstand my intentions. This is something a friend of mine is plucking out to say the whole book of John is modified and unauthentic because of a translation change.
I further looked into what they were talking about and apparently it is not John 14:6
but rather 1 John 5:7-8
I get the feeling they have quoted from someone who misunderstood John 5:7-8 and 1 John 5:7-8 are two different chapters
But maybe I am wrong. but disregarding that, they say that John 1:5:7-8 is unauthentic and maybe that is why they think 14:6 is as well, since there are 'instances of being modified'