Let me make a couple points here as I want to clarify a couple things that seem to have confused a few viewers- probably my own fault. First- the point of this video is NOT that the Mughal Empire brought anything to Thailand or SE Asia directly. That's not at all what this is saying. The point is that the Mughal Empire was the period in time when Persian, Arabic, and Central Asian cuisine all combined into what is now considered by foreigners to be "Indian food", and so that is the cuisine that would eventually come to Malaysia (and ultimately Thailand) through both South Indian and Punjabi traders. That's all. Second- That route of how food came to Thailand/SE Asia is not the only path it took. There are multiple periods of migration, including to the north through Myanmar, that brought dishes to this part of the world. This was only a narrow focus on one of those. All of that said, I'll be honest- I should have expressed all that more clearly. This video is a bit of a mess- I mean, we interview my tennis partner for goodness sake. It was the third video we ever filmed, and the first two (Nonthaburi and Talad Phlu) were both just walking-around-one-area videos. I'll stand by everything in this video, it's all documented fact. BUT it's also incomplete and brushes past a lot of centuries, and if we'd done this better, we could have told a more comprehensive story that would have eliminated any confusion. I'm still proud of this video as it's really important in what OTR is now- this was the first time that we set out to film a video, then got sidetracked by some fascinating point in history, then just went deep down that rabbit hole. We'd never come back out. But it's also the only video where we did our research retroactively (after filming, before editing), as we hadn't set out to take on this subject at all. But if it wasn't for this video, we'd probably have never become the channel we are today. At some point in the future, we'll get back into this subject and tell the story better. Again, this was one we filmed more than a month before we even put our first video online. We were still in the womb. Please forgive me for anything that is confusing or could have been expressed better- it was a major learning process...and it's still a chance to showcase three of the best places in the entire city: the Lokhande massaman curry, the biryani stand, and Basmati's masala tea. So get mad at me if you want, but please go patronize those three businesses, they deserve it. Cheers! -Adam
British have not won India from the Mughals in 1857. Mughals were routed by Marathas in the 20-year war which was fought between 1680 to 1700, post-1710 Mughals were local chieftains around Delhi, correct your history. It was Marathas who were ruling most of the land mass of the Indian subcontinent. British East India Company took total control Of India after the defeat of the Maratha confederacy in the last Anglo-Maratha war in 1818.
Hey Adam! Ihave arrived in Bangkok 5th of jan, and am planning to visit a lot of your food places. I love your videos! But i cannot find the foodstall of ameen biryani. Do you have a maps pin for me? Hope you see this in time. Thanks for your great work! Cheers. -Lydia
Lydia, thanks for the message! They have moved here: maps.app.goo.gl/oedefwjjEHd5uc2N9 I will say- it's absolutely still worth a visit, they're lovely people and the food is very good. However if I'm being honest, it's missing a bit from the old location (not having a full kitchen available anymore I suppose), so please be prepared for a slightly smaller menu and maybe not quite as mind-blowing an experience as it once was. However, still a cool place and in a great part of town. @@LDo-yg7ni
Biryani rice with saffron is another good example of Persian dishes In Ayudhya and Rattanakosin. Shake Amad turned Bunnag Muslim family in Rattanakosin called ข้าวบุหรี derived from Biryani with saffron. Massaman curry is not the only one. During Ayudhya and early Rattanakosin, Siam colonized part of today Malaysia, there were not much food cultural exchange but some Peranakan Chinese dishes between Penang, Songkla, Ranong.
@@RangKlos curry came from India. Thai version used wet ingredients plus a few spices, that’s all, 50% of Thai culture is Indian influenced, including Sanskrit ,Buddhism, Hindu gods, Hindu cuisine , Hindu dress, Hindu epics…where did Persians come from ? Ayutthya is Ayodhya, Suvarnabhumi is pure Sanskrit , Persia has 0 influence on Thailand
@@ghungroogangatesh3549 At one time Ayutthaya was the most populated city on earth so it was always cosmopolitan. Some persians have made it to the court then and later in Rattanakosin era as well. Unlike Paranakan, the curry paste used in Thailand are totally different from Indian ones. You are right Thai has loads of influence from India, but also loads from China and the same proportion from ancient SEA natives like Mon, Lao, Khmer etc.
The explanation lies as much in the geography of India as its history. India is a unique land of dozen major and diverse geographical zones ranging from tropical peninsula to the high Himalaya to dry deserts to fertile large river plains. The Mughals with their Central Asian and Persian approaches suddenly had access to an immense diversity of already popular spices and ingredients to experiment with. Meanwhile they inherited the much earlier established and world's wealthiest ever trade route - the Indian Ocean trade connecting Europe, Africa and the Gulf to the East via India. Under the Mughals, Bengal - then the world's richest region, as noted by the Mughal history writer William Dalrymple, due to its export of cotton and silk textiles - made Bay of Bengal the hub of all kinds of exchanges, which the Mughlai cuisine piggybacked and spread to the Southeast Asian countries and fused with the local cuisines. (Btw, the first syllable in the word "Punjab" is pronounced not as "poon" but as the English word "pun".)
1:17 You do know that King Rama II himself wrote a poem describing Massaman curry for his royal barge chant, don't you? On any Thai dining table, Massaman was never a simple dish. It's a crown jewel. Not because its Muslim origin or anything but because it's the fanciest one. One with the most exotic ingredients and time consuming preparation. That's how the Thais perceive it. The biryani restaurant at Chakkrapong mosque was my mom's favorite so I still visit it whenever I go to BKK. When the shop was not busy, the lovely old lady liked to sit down next to you and chat away. I hope she stays strong and healthy though it's a bit concerning not seeing her in the VDO. Haven't been there myself since the pandemic.
@@OTRontheroad This is Bengali & Tamil influence food 1000 years ago in Thailand not Mughals from India. This is called chicken mutton Jhaalde in Bengali. Curry is called Jhol not Jhaalde. Biryani also developed from Bengali Polao & Mutton Kosha mixers.
@@surojeetchatterji9966 constantly shocked at how people comment without paying attention to either the video OR the description and comments. The Mughals did not create biryani. The mughals didn’t bring biryani to thailand. The Mughals DID spread biryani to a vast region where it became a widespread dish. That’s it. Good lord.
@@ThePinerosan Well I didn't entirely read his comment- it's even wilder than I first thought. Let me say this loudly for the people in the back- Biryani originated with Central Asian Plav. The ONLY other argument that has any potential (archeological) merit would be from Iran. It is NOT Tamil. It is NOT Bengali. Those are not high-effort comments- it's literally the equivalent of using a word generator. That's not how history works
17:40 completely wrong. South Indian presence had already been in SEA for almost a thousand years of recorded history, during the Sriwijaya Empire era, trade guilds from South India were well established and many married into local royalty. And South Indians you are referring to are primarily Tamils and Keralities. They have very minimal influence of mughal cuisine, they were not under mughal influence, you see their cuisine is completely independent. Lots of staple foods in Malaysia, South Thailand were also brought by Tamil communities of South India and Sri Lanka. Roti canai, prata is one such example. Fish head curry is another one. Beef Rendang also has a South Indian origin, Tamil merchant guilds brought the dish first, later muslim merchants innovated it in SEA. Several curries in SEA made with coconut milk are of South Indian origin. Prata is actually parotta from South India, it is derived from Turkic cuisine and adopted by muslim Tamil merchants of Sri Lanka who later introduced it to South India via family and business ties with mainland Tamils, now the dish is popular across South India and SEA. North Indian paratha has its origins in present day Lahore, a completely Punjabi origin dish. Stuff like puttu, appam, etc are from pre-sangam era, atleast 300 BC, as several Sangam era Tamil literature mentions them, a period when Kerala has not created its current language of Malayalam.
true, but during British period they encouraged and sometimes forced the people to move. More Tamil and other south Indian moved permanently thanks to British colonizing those areas in South East Asian countries like Malaysia and Burma. also, there were Mughal influences because after Mughals became weak, many regional sultans separated and made independent sultanates. Golconda, Bijapur, Hyderabad, Mysore and Malabar. Some Muslim sultanate like Madurai Sultanate lived for a few years but existed in the 14th century. Proves how old the Muslims have lived in South India. This video never refuted the South Indian presence in South East Asia. They just focused on parts where muslim and mughal influenced food from South India made their way to Malaysia and eventually to Thailand. If you think Mughals had limited reach, that would not stop the Islamic influence in food of Kerala and Tamil Nadu. I can name like 7-8 Biryani from Tamil Nadu and Kerala itself and Biryani was made during Mughals and spread by them and their emissaries.
@@islandsunset briyani is a mughlai dish but the dishes that influenced SEA cuisine from South India were definitely not mughlai. Dishes like Briyani are very popular in Tamil Nadu and Kerala but they are one of the very few mughal dishes that were adopted locally.
@@Pike737 here the crux of the video was identifying the Mughalai dishes in Thailand which even the Thai don't know came from Mughal influence. Talking about it doesn't take away other influences. Why are you offended by the fact that a lot traditionally accepted Thai dishes actually came from or influenced by Mughals. Doesn't diminish south Indian influence.
"We don't really study pre-impreial India in American public schools, 20 miniutes ago, all i knew about the Mughals was from some references in Civ 6" I burst big laught and tear of joy. Nice work for you. you earn a sub and 1 thrumb up from me.
Malaysian seems to have a mixture of several different cultures. Before a franchise took it over there was a Malaysian place I used to go to with Tamils doing the roti exclusively and other people from different countries doing the drinks and food.
I spend a lot of time in Thailand - almost exclusively in a small northern city. Yours are the only videos that make me think revisiting Bangkok could be fun and worth the urban hassle. Also, funny use of Trump there. Go Cavaliers.
Just a quick note on Thai Muslims here. In the country, there are two types of Muslims, like the one predominantly in Chiangmai which are the defendant of Chinese Muslims immigrants. They invented Khao soi and the are very mild and gentle people. Then you have typical Thai muslim that are nice people too they generally sell biryany an roti and the ox tail soup. The have more tanned completion and mostly can be distinguish from the Chinese Muslims community. I love them both. One thing that made Thai Muslims differ is that some of them even adopted and raised in a Buddhist temple and don't try to segregate them self from other people.
I just came across your channel lately, I can see that you poured a lot of your effort in making videos about food and history and I really enjoyed it! Hope to see a lot more like this in the future, thank you!
Hey Michael, thanks so much for the nice words! I guess I was speaking more in the metaphorical sense...like my own internal list. However (this is a really dumb thing for me to do on the spot, as I know in 5 minutes I'll remember a ton of other places I didn't mention) if you pushed me to give you a top 5 off the top of my head...and this is NOT based on anything other than my own personal favorites, totally subjective, first that come to mind...in no particular order, I'd say: - Ba Shu Feng (though the original branch is long gone, and that was by far the best)- Shenzhen, China -The Kitchen Garden, Ella, Sri Lanka -Roti Bang Nara, Krabi, Thailand -Literally any Nasi Padang place, Medan, Sumatra -Bel Air Market (gas station sandwiches), Charlottesville
There was a record that King Narai reigned in mid 17th Century has an Indian chef in his palace and serve his Persian guests with Indian-Arabic cuisine so maybe the curry food might come in this region earlier than 19th Century
I am curious about the utensils. You have used a spoon and fork in the usual and in unusual ways, and you have used chopsticks. I have heard that Thai natives don’t use chopsticks - clearly mistaken. Are the different utensil uses due to the influences of so many other countries?
Ok so...more or less, you're right. Like- chopsticks ARE used in Thailand, but pretty much only with Thai-Chinese style food. For example, you'll usually have at least the option of chopsticks with any noodle soup. In general in Thailand, it's fork-and-spoon...fork for cutting/pushing, spoon for eating. But even that's a new idea for most of the country (1940s), before that, traditionally food was eaten by hand here. It still is in some areas
I eat with hands , and I learned from my grandfather. Modern Thais don’t eat with hand anymore. Chopstick came with the Chinese immigrants. Long before they many thai eat with hands like the Malay and Burmese.
Apart from biriyani, which is definitely a Muslim/Persian influence, most curry-based dishes South Thailand and Malaysian cuisine is famous for traces its influence from South India. Namely the states of Kerala and Tamil Nadu, which in your own map at 7:10, never saw much of the Mughals. It's people from Kerala and Tamil Nadu (the latter mostly) that ended up in Malaysia more than a century ago and brought their foods with them (like parota, known as prata in Malaysia). A lot of what was stated in this video is not factually correct.
Totally disagree and that’s provably wrong- the curries that spread to Indonesia and Malaysia originally were northern Indian in origin, although some of those did spread south. The endemic dishes of Kerala and Tamil Nadu that did spread were much later arrivals and came via a different wave of migration. Many of those South Indian dishes and techniques still are unknown in SE Asia.
Even Indonesian National Dish and Malaysian They Call it, is They Own Dish, Chicken Rendang,Beef Rendang, is Originated From India,Indonesia Change the Recipes a bit to They Local Taste This is True,Even Indonesian 5 University do They research on Origin of Rendang,They Said Yes it from South India, They have so many Food Around World are from India
As Siam annexed large portion of Malays state in The South...Muslim Thai of South differ from Vhinese Muslim of North and the other Muslim in Thailand..
Do you now Portugal is in Europe? Do you now that portuguese, come to have a treaty whit the spaniish to have the some king, and to have acess to the comerce whith the spanish Mexico, and Chile, and took all this new spyces and fruits all over to Europe, India, China, and that change rhe world gastronomy? In countries from Europe, Rurky, Greace, Turky, Marroco, Argelie, Africa, Brasil, India, China, Japan, words like Oranges, tomatoes, Té, and the names of many exotic animals and fruits, came from the portuguese linguage? Also more than 3o countries jn the world, and many of their nathional dishes, come from porruguese cuisine? Including Five o'clock Tea, eating with cutlary, porcelane, fish and ships, marmelade, and opera was first intrudiced by the portughese in Englant. Or maybe you did not now that Mombay, in India, was a portughese conquest, that was a marriage gifth from the portughese king to is daugther, Carherine who married the English monarq? Many deserts and also curries and stews in asia are conected to portuguese gastonomy.
Which one? Honestly- it won't really matter if you're searching for it. We use a subscription service called SoundStripe for access to our music choices. It's not perfect, and some categories are very under-served, but so far it's suited our needs well enough. Would recommend it to other UA-cam channels looking for affordable access to a music library.
Seems like the Mughal Empire is part of what brought north Indian influence (not just in terms of food) to 'the western' (the Abrahamic including Islamic) world & the south Indian influence is what made its way through to Southeast Asia, complete with similar writings & religious practices down to the influences on (mostly Theravada) Buddhist practices
Where Muslims are a minority, their food always slaps. I'm from the Philippines and have only recently tried our local Muslim cuisine and it's the bomb.
Great content but the Mughal storyline is incorrect. Research Chola dynasty and also ancient Arab trade routes. That will explain a lot from Massaman to Rendang.
Disagree on Massaman- working on a video exploring the three possible origin stories of Massaman, that’s one of them but the least likely based on recorded facts. However in general, it’s a very interesting angle and definitely a part of history that also has a huge amount of influence on SE Asian food culture. Different story to this one and one that deserves its own deep dive for sure.
@@OTRontheroad I look forward to it! It's such a great subject. I bring up the disagreement on Mughals only because there is no corresponding relation to script, language, art or Architecture in SE Asia. Usually there is atleast another reference point. Technically and historically, the empire was in decline after Akbar though some would argue it was right after Shah Jehan. The dynasty was also not really known for a blue water Navy.
@@Maverikm73 Right- the point I was trying to make in this video (apparently not well) is not that the Mughals spread anything to SE Asia directly- there's zero evidence of that. The point is that that was the point in time when they consolidated dishes from across their own empire, which is how North Indian/Persian/Central Asian food combined in the first place, and then that spread across the subcontinent and eventually to Malaysia and Thailand. That's all I was trying to express, although it does seem like enough people didn't get that from this video that I didn't do it effectively.
It was never to say that the Mughals brought anything to Thailand. It's more about how north Indian and Arabic/Central Asian dishes became part of the cuisine that would eventually come to Thailand through South Indian traders.
Mughals did not take curry to southeast asia. Cholas during prior to 2AD took it the southeast asia and there are records of indian ships selling spices to greeks. Please take history lessons on culinary culture of cholas.
cuts the paratha by fork and knife and then grabs by hand to scoop the curry. I know your muscle memory asks you to do that but it is same like eating pizza using fork and knife.
@OTR read up on the srivijaya empire from south india. South indian empire expanded and reached thro Thailand to north Malaysian states. Hence you see heavy indian influence in Thailand place and people names like Rama, Anand and Ayodhya, food, spirituality etc
They've done three I think. I was actually living in Sumatra (for a few months- base was still Beijing) when the list came out with Rendang at number 1. There were two more local dishes in the top 10 or 12 if I remember right as well- Nasi Goreng and Satay (I think).
@@OTRontheroad Just stumbled upon your channel and finished few videos. Your approach totally resonates with me. I can see a lot more and deeper questions about food and culture coming from this channel. Using Thai cuisines as a base is suitable cause they're delicious, relatively well known in many parts of the world, and relatively cheap haha. Hopefully with a new subscriber (me) you guys can expand to the rest of the region where so-called traditional foods are also mostly cheap, rich in history and most of all, absolutely flavoursome. PS: tips for 'Nasi Padang'. If you enjoy Nasi Padang/Kapau as you pointed out elsewhere, you must try a variant of it in P. Sidimpuan cuisine the next time you're in Medan (among many many other things). Or, you know, try Nasi Padang or Kapau in its origin if you haven't already.
Basic error: where does Pakistan feature as the Mughal capital was Delhi! Pakistan was really the boondocks of the Mughal emperor. We are talking about Indian influence on Thailand, albeit Indian muslim.
If I remember correctly Lahore (present day Pakistan) had also served as the capital of the Mughal empire. Also after the partition of India a huge number of people from Delhi moved to Pakistan.
@@najibyarzerachic Lahore was the regional capital for a brief period. The bulk of the Mughal territories & wealth was in India . What's Pakistani biriyani is basically either Punjabi style or Sindhi style biriyani. The ones who introduced Indian cuisine to Thailand were Indians not Pakistani muslims. Like in the west they sell garbage under the Indian food label capitalising on the brand.
@@ic9771 no i am not talking about Lahore being the capital of Punjab, it was capital of Mughal emipre as well during Akbar's rule. As for people of pakistan using indian cuisine to get benefit in the west is OK since Pakistan and India have a shared culinary culture. Remember the most sought after indian dish Chicken Tikka Masala was introduced (invented) by a Pakistani. But in most places indian restaurants sell it as indian dish and I think it is OK.
@@najibyarzerachic I was referring to the Mughal period itself. The capital of the empire always was Delhi or Agra. What're you on about ? What do you mean shared heritage ? If they're so proud of their heritage which is all of 75 yrs old like all self respecting people they ought to be calling themselves that. You don't see the Americans call themselves British do you , although America started out with being a British colony. Finally , Chicken tikka masala was allegedly invented by a Mr Gujral of Moti Mahal restuarant Delhi in Delhi who happened to a Hindu refugee with his origins in what's now Pakistan having had to flee from there during the partition. What's Pakistani about him or the dish he invented ?
Haha, me? Nope, different guy....as proof, here's us sitting across a table from each other in another video: ua-cam.com/video/NpIX5LsbPNM/v-deo.html (Chris and Steph DO happen to be very close friends of mine and two of the best people I know....you'll see them pop up on this channel from time to time....but the real challenge is to scroll back far enough on their channel to find me guest cooking with them!)
@@OTRontheroad I went back and relistened and rewatched some of the footage after writing the comment and realized I was mistaken but there are certain words you both pronounce in exactly the same way This is great work and making me miss my life in Bangkok, thanks for diving in this deep.
My girlfriend always gives me a hard time about "Chris-isms" I say in exactly the same way as him. Though I think it's the other way around and he got it from me. Either way- there's definitely a similarity in mid-Atlantic diction (Virginia vs PA) and we've probably spent a total of years of our lives talking about food with each other, so I wouldn't be surprised if it sounds like that's the case. But regardless, thanks a lot for the kind words, I really appreciate it.
Remember.....Noahs sons, Shem(Babylonia) and Japhet(Mongolia) were the closest of brothers. SHEM was oldest, father of Sufi/Naga long before "Islam" was born. Amazing content btw
@@bahcha Indeed! Many times over. Tho, for this epoch, the 3-Kings (Noah's Sons) are the oldest remnant/center quadrent. The Oghums & oral traditions predate them all, even the pyramids/sphinx
@@I_am_ka Oral Traditions! Just like Vedas: Shruti means oral tradition! However digging deep- The evidences would never back up sir because of the lost history! We all know the Indians were religious, but there's a large sect of ancient philosophy missing named Lokayata/Charvaka: the Atheists who were Materialists were also termed Asuras in later Hindu Pantheons: funnily the word Matter has its origin from latin word mater meaning Mother! Yes, there are traces of a Matriarchal society with a strong focus on agriculture and rice. They were the agricultural magicians.. If you notice, the South East Asian countries till date are more tolerable to women.. The old Persians who were Zoroastrians believed in Ahura Mazda, since H becomes S (Sind-Hind) in India: Asura! Ashurbanipal, Ashurhaddon: names of few Persian kings..Magic word comes from Persian word Magi meaning a Zoroastrian priest. Gift of Magi :) However, the Zoroastrians too followed a Patriarchal monotheistic approach to Ahura.. Religion looks to be the first Idealistic Business created by Mankind.. And now we have Money as an Idealistic measure to value Materials.. AI coming further 😊
@@bahcha The Oral traditions are the only evidence besides many stolen stellas, sanskrit etc that mankind has to support much. Akasha, like the 4 realms and under-world/-water chapters known by the Naga & Olmec would be the farthest we can go concerning evidence as for example the deluge's that come every 12-26k years repeatedly for eons as well as the solar events that wipe us clean off the map again repeatedly. The question goes back to who keeps reseting/re-planting us in the many gardens we have come from. We keep being re-planted over & over. India/Yucatan stellas are sheer proof of our intelligent design (being designed). Say religious text or Babylon/Sumerian text also support the multiple-genesis, the bible having record of just 1 and older sources depicting many
@@Fighting_Irish184 Oh, so we a group of dishes called "Muslim dishes" in Thailand. I didn't know that. What I meant is that different Muslim ethnic groups and nations within the Muslim world have very different dishes. "Muslims" in general don't have a cuisine they all share. Some dishes are similar between some Muslim countries, but that's just cultural exchange.
We also know members of that family, but it’s a story that isn’t without problems. There are three possible origin stories and eventually we will do a full video that explores all three and what is the most likely and plausible.
I think you misunderstood badly. The Mughals spread the cuisine. Later, India fell to the British and the British also colonized Malaysia, and then that’s when waves of immigration brought the food to Southeast Asia. Sorry if that wasn’t clear from your side.
Let's keep things to just food and not talk about the peace and prosperity crap, the Mughals along with other Islamic rulers were invaders on Indian subcontinent and if you dig into history the worst ethnic cleansing anybody faced even more than Jews were the Hindus, thousands of historical temples destroyed millions killed in the name of Islam 800 years of struggle, with continuous plunder destroying great universities forcing jajiya but still they never managed to conquer India fully, so yah the history is very dark so don't go there, focus on something simple like food only..
I just watched this video to check how much inaccuracies is in it when it comes to Indian food which some idiots call mughal cusines.. First of all Mughals come from central asia... so let alone making food with spices they have never ever seen rice.. they were just barbarians.. Biryani was and is Indian dish.. about 1000 yrs and more time before Mughals word was even coined, Tamils were making and eating this dish which later got called Biryani.. if mughals brought it to India then how the hell rice and spices were available in central Asia at that time.. Most of the old generation Indians were and are brainwashed to appreciate barbarians like mughals,turks because of Indian left,Marxists and Nehruvian congress suited there politics.
Wow you managed to misunderstand this video at a pretty incredible level. Almost all of what you wrote is exactly what we said. And re: Tamil traditions, that’s EXACTLY what this video explained. These are not “Mughal foods”. They are foods that spread across the subcontinent (and later overseas) during the Mughal period. Sorry if that was somehow completely unclear.
May need to change the thumbnail- it makes no sense: a Muslim is a follower of Islam, a religion; Thai is an ethnicity. There are Thai Muslims and there is no quintessentially "Muslim" food apart from whether its "halal" or not. Perhaps you wanted to say "Indo-Persian" instead?
Food is an interesting topic. I am from India and regarding the origin of Biriyani , I would like to add some piece of history as told to me by my Muslim friend from Lucknow. my friend Syed Naqvi told me the concept of BIRIYANI started with the Mughal Emperor Akbar had to feed a vast army consisting oh both Muslims and Hindus. huge quantity of rice with mutton and spices were prepared to feed the army. later it entered to all kitchens. Biriyani took various forms with regional favours like Hyderabad biriyani, Ambur biriyani and so on.. My friend Zama from Hyderabad used to tell with fake anger that Biriyani is always Non veg with Mutton or Chicken and you people are spoiling its name by making Veg Biriyani.
Man I’m from Hyderabad and I can tell you that Bangkok’s so called Indian food is not remotely Mughal or good quality Indian. It’s really bad quality stuff. You can’t cook authentic biryani in a shack. It takes hours and you gotta go to Hyderabad or Delhi to even begin to understand. Please don’t associate Pakistani biryani with Indian biryani.
Your first and last sentence are garbage- you cannot paint with a wide brush and say that all Bangkok Indian food is bad. That's wrong. You also can't make the Indian-Pakistani comment as whatever you want to say about the differences today, there is a long and shared history. It's a shame you said those two things, because your other comment about Hyderabad having uniquely awesome Biryani is absolutely true. It's so epic that we're actually looking at an OTR trip to film in Hyderabad (as part of a possible India swing) before the end of this year. It is truly one of the world's great places for food.
@@OTRontheroad there is no good quality Indian food in Bangkok except in a few places but pahurat is trash. Low quality and unhygienic. When you go to India you’ll get what I mean. When you eat a real naan or real mutton (not NZ lamb) I mean no disrespect but it’s obvious you have no clue about Indian food. Checkout Karim’s Delhi or paradise in Hyderabad for starters. Pahurat! Is shy. It’s a Indian but not good quality
@@OTRontheroad He's an Indian, hating on Pakistan is basically in their DNA. Pakistanis, on the other hand, most of us are pretty self-aware and comfortable with the fact that both Pakistan and India share culture and heritage that goes back thousands of years.
@@f1aziz 🤣 Jab gaan lagi phatne toh khairaat lage batane . Maamu , aajkal Paxtaniyon ko Bharatiyon par bada pyaar aaraha hain. 2 saal pehle tak toh online jo bhi Paxtani milta tha fazr ko Turki , asar ko irani , magrib ko Afghan aur isa ko Arbi hota tha. Aaj jo bhi Paxtani online milta hain sab ko apna humsaya tehzeeb , zubaani , khaan paan , rivaje yaad aa rahi hain . Pataa nahin in 2 saalon mein aisa kya karamat hua maamu ?
@@OTRontheroad resided in bkk for 2 yrs & tried practically every Indian & Pakistani restaurant there is to try . What that poster wrote is absolutely true. The so called Indian & Pakistani restaurants selling Indian stuff mostly but also at times advertising their wares as Pakistani cuisine sell low quality garbage at atrocious prices . To make matters worse they're greasy. Btw there's a difference between Indian & Pakistani cuisine . Beef biriyani is a staple in Pakistan. You rarely get it in India even in Muslim restaurants here . Agree with the rest of your comment.
@@OTRontheroad I did watch the full video. I grew up in India and I know a few things about the Mughal empire. Which "failed" emperor were you referring to specifically? I love your channel and I referred your channel to my friends. Do you usually interact with your viewers like this? I'll let it go, probably you were drunk.
@@NITBAN Well- again- there's nothing in this video that calls it a failed Empire- goodness, it's one of the most influential kingdoms in South Asian history. The point was about Jahangir- who didn't really accomplish anything except he was massively devoted to food. So that was kind of the thesis of the story (without proof- just a guess)...that his personal obsession with food from across his empire was what caused techniques and ingredients to combine and spread.
@@NITBAN And I'm happy to chalk it up to a misunderstanding or a mis-type in the comment, but yeah- sore spot. Nothing bothers me more than how many comments we get that are just ranting about a title (or the first ten words of the cold open) when it's all explained in the rest of the video. So that was why I got agitated from calling it a "failed empire"- if anything, the point of this video is what a successful and important empire the Mughals were, just about Jahangir himself failing to win any wars or achievements so he focused his attention on palace cuisine
Pls do video about malaysian the origin of foods, there are alot of claims, like Sambal from sirlanka Coconut rice from india and srilanka Sweet dodol from srilanka Shrimp paste from korea but not in paste Roti canani, roti jala , briyani, cendol, putu piring, kuih keriang many more are from chinese and indian. As far as i ancient indonesia and malaysia was conquer by indian, i believe its from them and there is little modification. Pls clear the doubt, lie so so so. TQ
Either you didn't watch the video, or somehow missed the entire explanation where about 15 minutes is spent describing how this food was a mix of Indian and Persian.
Let me make a couple points here as I want to clarify a couple things that seem to have confused a few viewers- probably my own fault.
First- the point of this video is NOT that the Mughal Empire brought anything to Thailand or SE Asia directly. That's not at all what this is saying. The point is that the Mughal Empire was the period in time when Persian, Arabic, and Central Asian cuisine all combined into what is now considered by foreigners to be "Indian food", and so that is the cuisine that would eventually come to Malaysia (and ultimately Thailand) through both South Indian and Punjabi traders. That's all.
Second- That route of how food came to Thailand/SE Asia is not the only path it took. There are multiple periods of migration, including to the north through Myanmar, that brought dishes to this part of the world. This was only a narrow focus on one of those.
All of that said, I'll be honest- I should have expressed all that more clearly. This video is a bit of a mess- I mean, we interview my tennis partner for goodness sake. It was the third video we ever filmed, and the first two (Nonthaburi and Talad Phlu) were both just walking-around-one-area videos. I'll stand by everything in this video, it's all documented fact. BUT it's also incomplete and brushes past a lot of centuries, and if we'd done this better, we could have told a more comprehensive story that would have eliminated any confusion. I'm still proud of this video as it's really important in what OTR is now- this was the first time that we set out to film a video, then got sidetracked by some fascinating point in history, then just went deep down that rabbit hole. We'd never come back out. But it's also the only video where we did our research retroactively (after filming, before editing), as we hadn't set out to take on this subject at all. But if it wasn't for this video, we'd probably have never become the channel we are today.
At some point in the future, we'll get back into this subject and tell the story better. Again, this was one we filmed more than a month before we even put our first video online. We were still in the womb. Please forgive me for anything that is confusing or could have been expressed better- it was a major learning process...and it's still a chance to showcase three of the best places in the entire city: the Lokhande massaman curry, the biryani stand, and Basmati's masala tea. So get mad at me if you want, but please go patronize those three businesses, they deserve it.
Cheers! -Adam
British have not won India from the Mughals in 1857. Mughals were routed by Marathas in the 20-year war which was fought between 1680 to 1700, post-1710 Mughals were local chieftains around Delhi, correct your history. It was Marathas who were ruling most of the land mass of the Indian subcontinent. British East India Company took total control Of India after the defeat of the Maratha confederacy in the last Anglo-Maratha war in 1818.
@@umeshshahane I already answered this in a different comment, you can check below.
You have flair for quality story telling. Keep it up. Subscribed. Thank you.
Hey Adam! Ihave arrived in Bangkok 5th of jan, and am planning to visit a lot of your food places. I love your videos! But i cannot find the foodstall of ameen biryani. Do you have a maps pin for me? Hope you see this in time. Thanks for your great work! Cheers.
-Lydia
Lydia, thanks for the message! They have moved here: maps.app.goo.gl/oedefwjjEHd5uc2N9
I will say- it's absolutely still worth a visit, they're lovely people and the food is very good. However if I'm being honest, it's missing a bit from the old location (not having a full kitchen available anymore I suppose), so please be prepared for a slightly smaller menu and maybe not quite as mind-blowing an experience as it once was. However, still a cool place and in a great part of town.
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You've gotten me hooked since the episode about Pad Thai. Now I anxiously await more history + food history. Awesome work and great story telling.
Biryani rice with saffron is another good example of Persian dishes In Ayudhya and Rattanakosin. Shake Amad turned Bunnag Muslim family in Rattanakosin called ข้าวบุหรี derived from Biryani with saffron. Massaman curry is not the only one. During Ayudhya and early Rattanakosin, Siam colonized part of today Malaysia, there were not much food cultural exchange but some Peranakan Chinese dishes between Penang, Songkla, Ranong.
Biryani is Indian Muslim cuisine, not some rubbish Persian , Persians rice dish is pilaf , made with raisins and carrots , don’t invent cuisine
@@ghungroogangatesh3549 Perhaps it was the Persian who introduced it here. Thais always think of Biryani and Massaman as Persian influenced.
@@RangKlos curry came from India. Thai version used wet ingredients plus a few spices, that’s all, 50% of Thai culture is Indian influenced, including Sanskrit ,Buddhism, Hindu gods, Hindu cuisine , Hindu dress, Hindu epics…where did Persians come from ? Ayutthya is Ayodhya, Suvarnabhumi is pure Sanskrit , Persia has 0 influence on Thailand
@@ghungroogangatesh3549 At one time Ayutthaya was the most populated city on earth so it was always cosmopolitan. Some persians have made it to the court then and later in Rattanakosin era as well. Unlike Paranakan, the curry paste used in Thailand are totally different from Indian ones. You are right Thai has loads of influence from India, but also loads from China and the same proportion from ancient SEA natives like Mon, Lao, Khmer etc.
There was a Malay Kampong in Ayutthaya
The explanation lies as much in the geography of India as its history. India is a unique land of dozen major and diverse geographical zones ranging from tropical peninsula to the high Himalaya to dry deserts to fertile large river plains. The Mughals with their Central Asian and Persian approaches suddenly had access to an immense diversity of already popular spices and ingredients to experiment with. Meanwhile they inherited the much earlier established and world's wealthiest ever trade route - the Indian Ocean trade connecting Europe, Africa and the Gulf to the East via India. Under the Mughals, Bengal - then the world's richest region, as noted by the Mughal history writer William Dalrymple, due to its export of cotton and silk textiles - made Bay of Bengal the hub of all kinds of exchanges, which the Mughlai cuisine piggybacked and spread to the Southeast Asian countries and fused with the local cuisines. (Btw, the first syllable in the word "Punjab" is pronounced not as "poon" but as the English word "pun".)
1:17 You do know that King Rama II himself wrote a poem describing Massaman curry for his royal barge chant, don't you? On any Thai dining table, Massaman was never a simple dish. It's a crown jewel. Not because its Muslim origin or anything but because it's the fanciest one. One with the most exotic ingredients and time consuming preparation. That's how the Thais perceive it.
The biryani restaurant at Chakkrapong mosque was my mom's favorite so I still visit it whenever I go to BKK. When the shop was not busy, the lovely old lady liked to sit down next to you and chat away. I hope she stays strong and healthy though it's a bit concerning not seeing her in the VDO. Haven't been there myself since the pandemic.
We did an entire video on that poem! Please watch the one on the Lost Dishes....the 15 dishes of Sri Suryendra
@@OTRontheroad This is Bengali & Tamil influence food 1000 years ago in Thailand not Mughals from India. This is called chicken mutton Jhaalde in Bengali. Curry is called Jhol not Jhaalde. Biryani also developed from Bengali Polao & Mutton Kosha mixers.
@@surojeetchatterji9966 constantly shocked at how people comment without paying attention to either the video OR the description and comments. The Mughals did not create biryani. The mughals didn’t bring biryani to thailand. The Mughals DID spread biryani to a vast region where it became a widespread dish. That’s it. Good lord.
@@ThePinerosan Well I didn't entirely read his comment- it's even wilder than I first thought. Let me say this loudly for the people in the back- Biryani originated with Central Asian Plav. The ONLY other argument that has any potential (archeological) merit would be from Iran. It is NOT Tamil. It is NOT Bengali. Those are not high-effort comments- it's literally the equivalent of using a word generator. That's not how history works
17:40 completely wrong. South Indian presence had already been in SEA for almost a thousand years of recorded history, during the Sriwijaya Empire era, trade guilds from South India were well established and many married into local royalty. And South Indians you are referring to are primarily Tamils and Keralities. They have very minimal influence of mughal cuisine, they were not under mughal influence, you see their cuisine is completely independent. Lots of staple foods in Malaysia, South Thailand were also brought by Tamil communities of South India and Sri Lanka. Roti canai, prata is one such example. Fish head curry is another one. Beef Rendang also has a South Indian origin, Tamil merchant guilds brought the dish first, later muslim merchants innovated it in SEA. Several curries in SEA made with coconut milk are of South Indian origin. Prata is actually parotta from South India, it is derived from Turkic cuisine and adopted by muslim Tamil merchants of Sri Lanka who later introduced it to South India via family and business ties with mainland Tamils, now the dish is popular across South India and SEA. North Indian paratha has its origins in present day Lahore, a completely Punjabi origin dish. Stuff like puttu, appam, etc are from pre-sangam era, atleast 300 BC, as several Sangam era Tamil literature mentions them, a period when Kerala has not created its current language of Malayalam.
So true man. But it's also the case that scholars tend to emphasize on Mughal period as the golden period in India whe nit's absolutely not the case.
true, but during British period they encouraged and sometimes forced the people to move. More Tamil and other south Indian moved permanently thanks to British colonizing those areas in South East Asian countries like Malaysia and Burma. also, there were Mughal influences because after Mughals became weak, many regional sultans separated and made independent sultanates. Golconda, Bijapur, Hyderabad, Mysore and Malabar. Some Muslim sultanate like Madurai Sultanate lived for a few years but existed in the 14th century. Proves how old the Muslims have lived in South India.
This video never refuted the South Indian presence in South East Asia. They just focused on parts where muslim and mughal influenced food from South India made their way to Malaysia and eventually to Thailand. If you think Mughals had limited reach, that would not stop the Islamic influence in food of Kerala and Tamil Nadu. I can name like 7-8 Biryani from Tamil Nadu and Kerala itself and Biryani was made during Mughals and spread by them and their emissaries.
@@islandsunset briyani is a mughlai dish but the dishes that influenced SEA cuisine from South India were definitely not mughlai. Dishes like Briyani are very popular in Tamil Nadu and Kerala but they are one of the very few mughal dishes that were adopted locally.
@@Pike737 here the crux of the video was identifying the Mughalai dishes in Thailand which even the Thai don't know came from Mughal influence. Talking about it doesn't take away other influences. Why are you offended by the fact that a lot traditionally accepted Thai dishes actually came from or influenced by Mughals. Doesn't diminish south Indian influence.
@@islandsunset lol you are the one who sounds offended, you are stating something that is not proven as a fact.
"We don't really study pre-impreial India in American public schools, 20 miniutes ago, all i knew about the Mughals was from some references in Civ 6" I burst big laught and tear of joy. Nice work for you. you earn a sub and 1 thrumb up from me.
lol I forgot about that line! hahaha...sadly true though. And I never even built "Mughal Forts" in the game- totally useless.
Ya.. True mate. This Merikan makes whole ass video without even knowing the whole background of it
ive been to thailand dozens of times, but never heard of these places..such amazing info to have. thank you!
Your work is the best. I learn more from one of your episodes than watching a dozen others.
Malaysian seems to have a mixture of several different cultures. Before a franchise took it over there was a Malaysian place I used to go to with Tamils doing the roti exclusively and other people from different countries doing the drinks and food.
I spend a lot of time in Thailand - almost exclusively in a small northern city. Yours are the only videos that make me think revisiting Bangkok could be fun and worth the urban hassle. Also, funny use of Trump there. Go Cavaliers.
Just a quick note on Thai Muslims here. In the country, there are two types of Muslims, like the one predominantly in Chiangmai which are the defendant of Chinese Muslims immigrants. They invented Khao soi and the are very mild and gentle people. Then you have typical Thai muslim that are nice people too they generally sell biryany an roti and the ox tail soup. The have more tanned completion and mostly can be distinguish from the Chinese Muslims community. I love them both. One thing that made Thai Muslims differ is that some of them even adopted and raised in a Buddhist temple and don't try to segregate them self from other people.
You're forgetting about Malay Muslims. They are distinctly different from the other mentioned groups.
I feel like all South East Asian Muslims are quite good. I never heard of them becoming radicals.
You forgot the Malay muslims which are the biggest group, about 4 million.
I just came across your channel lately, I can see that you poured a lot of your effort in making videos about food and history and I really enjoyed it! Hope to see a lot more like this in the future, thank you!
I love your videos but can only watch on a full stomach. I want that food!!
Love your channel! I’m on a mission to watch every single one of them 😄
Subbed. Your channel needs more views and subs 👍
Lokhande is a Marathi surname
Your videos teach me a lot... and make my mouth water!
Well done, getting a mature feeling to the production quality and the content is fantastic
I love your channel! What was that list of favorite restaurants in the world? I couldn't find them.
Hey Michael, thanks so much for the nice words! I guess I was speaking more in the metaphorical sense...like my own internal list. However (this is a really dumb thing for me to do on the spot, as I know in 5 minutes I'll remember a ton of other places I didn't mention) if you pushed me to give you a top 5 off the top of my head...and this is NOT based on anything other than my own personal favorites, totally subjective, first that come to mind...in no particular order, I'd say:
- Ba Shu Feng (though the original branch is long gone, and that was by far the best)- Shenzhen, China
-The Kitchen Garden, Ella, Sri Lanka
-Roti Bang Nara, Krabi, Thailand
-Literally any Nasi Padang place, Medan, Sumatra
-Bel Air Market (gas station sandwiches), Charlottesville
Where is ameen biryani exactly? i could not find it on maps
I can't either- the pin's gone. Gonna head down again soon and double check that everything's OK. Fingers crossed
There was a record that King Narai reigned in mid 17th Century has an Indian chef in his palace and serve his Persian guests with Indian-Arabic cuisine so maybe the curry food might come in this region earlier than 19th Century
one of the best but surely the most informative and interesting Thai food youtube channel , keep going ma man!!
Any link to where Ameen Biryani is? Can't seem to find it on Google Maps
ข้าวหมกแพะพิเศษ
+66 86 097 1467
goo.gl/maps/tyFYF7GnWLoETDpD7
I am curious about the utensils. You have used a spoon and fork in the usual and in unusual ways, and you have used chopsticks. I have heard that Thai natives don’t use chopsticks - clearly mistaken. Are the different utensil uses due to the influences of so many other countries?
Ok so...more or less, you're right. Like- chopsticks ARE used in Thailand, but pretty much only with Thai-Chinese style food. For example, you'll usually have at least the option of chopsticks with any noodle soup. In general in Thailand, it's fork-and-spoon...fork for cutting/pushing, spoon for eating. But even that's a new idea for most of the country (1940s), before that, traditionally food was eaten by hand here. It still is in some areas
Usually thai people only use chopsticks with noodles..but spoon n fork with rice...
ua-cam.com/video/Cn26usXYkKQ/v-deo.html
This is what we use and do in our daily life.
I eat with hands , and I learned from my grandfather. Modern Thais don’t eat with hand anymore. Chopstick came with the Chinese immigrants. Long before they many thai eat with hands like the Malay and Burmese.
I just use whatever
Apart from biriyani, which is definitely a Muslim/Persian influence, most curry-based dishes South Thailand and Malaysian cuisine is famous for traces its influence from South India. Namely the states of Kerala and Tamil Nadu, which in your own map at 7:10, never saw much of the Mughals. It's people from Kerala and Tamil Nadu (the latter mostly) that ended up in Malaysia more than a century ago and brought their foods with them (like parota, known as prata in Malaysia). A lot of what was stated in this video is not factually correct.
Totally disagree and that’s provably wrong- the curries that spread to Indonesia and Malaysia originally were northern Indian in origin, although some of those did spread south. The endemic dishes of Kerala and Tamil Nadu that did spread were much later arrivals and came via a different wave of migration. Many of those South Indian dishes and techniques still are unknown in SE Asia.
That Zha Jiang Mian shirt is amazing! Want!
Even Indonesian National Dish and Malaysian They Call it, is They Own Dish, Chicken Rendang,Beef Rendang, is Originated From India,Indonesia Change the Recipes a bit to They Local Taste This is True,Even Indonesian 5 University do They research on Origin of Rendang,They Said Yes it from South India, They have so many Food Around World are from India
I'm actually addressing this exact subject in the video we're editing now for next week!
Err...but most of the time if is BEEF
Lots of Hindus eat beef too?
As Siam annexed large portion of Malays state in The South...Muslim Thai of South differ from Vhinese Muslim of North and the other Muslim in Thailand..
Do you now Portugal is in Europe? Do you now that portuguese, come to have a treaty whit the spaniish to have the some king, and to have acess to the comerce whith the spanish Mexico, and Chile, and took all this new spyces and fruits all over to Europe, India, China, and that change rhe world gastronomy?
In countries from Europe, Rurky, Greace, Turky, Marroco, Argelie, Africa, Brasil, India, China, Japan, words like Oranges, tomatoes, Té, and the names of many exotic animals and fruits, came from the portuguese linguage? Also more than 3o countries jn the world, and many of their nathional dishes, come from porruguese cuisine? Including Five o'clock Tea, eating with cutlary, porcelane, fish and ships, marmelade, and opera was first intrudiced by the portughese in Englant.
Or maybe you did not now that Mombay, in India, was a portughese conquest, that was a marriage gifth from the portughese king to is daugther, Carherine who married the English monarq?
Many deserts and also curries and stews in asia are conected to portuguese gastonomy.
Malay food and Indian food are different even though there are some crossovers
Do you mind telling me the name of the background song?
Which one? Honestly- it won't really matter if you're searching for it. We use a subscription service called SoundStripe for access to our music choices. It's not perfect, and some categories are very under-served, but so far it's suited our needs well enough. Would recommend it to other UA-cam channels looking for affordable access to a music library.
Excellent work 👌🏻
Seems like the Mughal Empire is part of what brought north Indian influence (not just in terms of food) to 'the western' (the Abrahamic including Islamic) world & the south Indian influence is what made its way through to Southeast Asia, complete with similar writings & religious practices down to the influences on (mostly Theravada) Buddhist practices
Where Muslims are a minority, their food always slaps. I'm from the Philippines and have only recently tried our local Muslim cuisine and it's the bomb.
Please pin the geographic location of each of the great places you present.
Thanks for enjoyable, informative videos.
Massaman Curry: Chakraphong Mosque
+66 2 282 5333
goo.gl/maps/rM13Cib7R6Ug5D1u6
Biryani: ข้าวหมกแพะพิเศษ
+66 83 906 0907
goo.gl/maps/WUVN1XrCVCnGAARo7
Mughlai Curry: Basmati International
+66 2 225 4574
goo.gl/maps/3erXVJuK2yx6d8Ze9
Thank you so very, very much. Thank you. 🙏
Great content but the Mughal storyline is incorrect. Research Chola dynasty and also ancient Arab trade routes. That will explain a lot from Massaman to Rendang.
Disagree on Massaman- working on a video exploring the three possible origin stories of Massaman, that’s one of them but the least likely based on recorded facts. However in general, it’s a very interesting angle and definitely a part of history that also has a huge amount of influence on SE Asian food culture. Different story to this one and one that deserves its own deep dive for sure.
@@OTRontheroad I look forward to it! It's such a great subject. I bring up the disagreement on Mughals only because there is no corresponding relation to script, language, art or Architecture in SE Asia. Usually there is atleast another reference point.
Technically and historically, the empire was in decline after Akbar though some would argue it was right after Shah Jehan. The dynasty was also not really known for a blue water Navy.
@@Maverikm73 Right- the point I was trying to make in this video (apparently not well) is not that the Mughals spread anything to SE Asia directly- there's zero evidence of that. The point is that that was the point in time when they consolidated dishes from across their own empire, which is how North Indian/Persian/Central Asian food combined in the first place, and then that spread across the subcontinent and eventually to Malaysia and Thailand.
That's all I was trying to express, although it does seem like enough people didn't get that from this video that I didn't do it effectively.
It was never to say that the Mughals brought anything to Thailand. It's more about how north Indian and Arabic/Central Asian dishes became part of the cuisine that would eventually come to Thailand through South Indian traders.
@@OTRontheroad Yes ofcourse! It's a great video. Following out of my love for both good and history!!! Looking forward to more.
Mughals did not take curry to southeast asia. Cholas during prior to 2AD took it the southeast asia and there are records of indian ships selling spices to greeks. Please take history lessons on culinary culture of cholas.
Goodness. Please read my pinned comment at the top.
Good episode thank u
cuts the paratha by fork and knife and then grabs by hand to scoop the curry. I know your muscle memory asks you to do that but it is same like eating pizza using fork and knife.
Italians eat pizza with fork and knife.
@@wezzuh2482 yeah, that's called not using your brain properly. I bet they also use fork and knife to eat chicken wings then.
@@nikhilkay1 they invented pizza you fucking idiot
When you say English you presumably mean British as the Scots Welsh and Irish were there too
That’s fair. British would certainly have been a better choice of words
@OTR read up on the srivijaya empire from south india. South indian empire expanded and reached thro Thailand to north Malaysian states. Hence you see heavy indian influence in Thailand place and people names like Rama, Anand and Ayodhya, food, spirituality etc
Isn't the number one food in CNN thing was Rendang?
They've done three I think. I was actually living in Sumatra (for a few months- base was still Beijing) when the list came out with Rendang at number 1. There were two more local dishes in the top 10 or 12 if I remember right as well- Nasi Goreng and Satay (I think).
@@OTRontheroad Just stumbled upon your channel and finished few videos. Your approach totally resonates with me. I can see a lot more and deeper questions about food and culture coming from this channel. Using Thai cuisines as a base is suitable cause they're delicious, relatively well known in many parts of the world, and relatively cheap haha. Hopefully with a new subscriber (me) you guys can expand to the rest of the region where so-called traditional foods are also mostly cheap, rich in history and most of all, absolutely flavoursome.
PS: tips for 'Nasi Padang'. If you enjoy Nasi Padang/Kapau as you pointed out elsewhere, you must try a variant of it in P. Sidimpuan cuisine the next time you're in Medan (among many many other things). Or, you know, try Nasi Padang or Kapau in its origin if you haven't already.
mouth watering!!
Basic error: where does Pakistan feature as the Mughal capital was Delhi! Pakistan was really the boondocks of the Mughal emperor. We are talking about Indian influence on Thailand, albeit Indian muslim.
If I remember correctly Lahore (present day Pakistan) had also served as the capital of the Mughal empire. Also after the partition of India a huge number of people from Delhi moved to Pakistan.
@@najibyarzerachic Lahore was the regional capital for a brief period. The bulk of the Mughal territories & wealth was in India . What's Pakistani biriyani is basically either Punjabi style or Sindhi style biriyani. The ones who introduced Indian cuisine to Thailand were Indians not Pakistani muslims. Like in the west they sell garbage under the Indian food label capitalising on the brand.
@@ic9771 no i am not talking about Lahore being the capital of Punjab, it was capital of Mughal emipre as well during Akbar's rule. As for people of pakistan using indian cuisine to get benefit in the west is OK since Pakistan and India have a shared culinary culture.
Remember the most sought after indian dish Chicken Tikka Masala was introduced (invented) by a Pakistani. But in most places indian restaurants sell it as indian dish and I think it is OK.
@@najibyarzerachic I was referring to the Mughal period itself. The capital of the empire always was Delhi or Agra. What're you on about ?
What do you mean shared heritage ? If they're so proud of their heritage which is all of 75 yrs old like all self respecting people they ought to be calling themselves that. You don't see the Americans call themselves British do you , although America started out with being a British colony.
Finally , Chicken tikka masala was allegedly invented by a Mr Gujral of Moti Mahal restuarant Delhi in Delhi who happened to a Hindu refugee with his origins in what's now Pakistan having had to flee from there during the partition. What's Pakistani about him or the dish he invented ?
am I crazy or is this guy one half of chinese cooking demystified
Haha, me? Nope, different guy....as proof, here's us sitting across a table from each other in another video: ua-cam.com/video/NpIX5LsbPNM/v-deo.html
(Chris and Steph DO happen to be very close friends of mine and two of the best people I know....you'll see them pop up on this channel from time to time....but the real challenge is to scroll back far enough on their channel to find me guest cooking with them!)
@@OTRontheroad I went back and relistened and rewatched some of the footage after writing the comment and realized I was mistaken but there are certain words you both pronounce in exactly the same way
This is great work and making me miss my life in Bangkok, thanks for diving in this deep.
My girlfriend always gives me a hard time about "Chris-isms" I say in exactly the same way as him. Though I think it's the other way around and he got it from me. Either way- there's definitely a similarity in mid-Atlantic diction (Virginia vs PA) and we've probably spent a total of years of our lives talking about food with each other, so I wouldn't be surprised if it sounds like that's the case. But regardless, thanks a lot for the kind words, I really appreciate it.
He does sound like Chinese Cooking Demystified lol.
The history of food is ❤
Do you have a Patreon?
Humbled you’d ask. www.patreon.com/OTRontheroad
you're wrong dude...maybe some curry food but the ingredients of most Thai food aren't the same.
In zero way is that what we say in this video....
Masaman (Masam= sour an = suffix world = sour curry) look like indonesia 😂
Moghul empire was a gory past and ot only glorogies Mughal emporers, they weren't liberal nor kijd, they've blood on theor hands
Do you ever imagin that many churches in India, are older than Mogul Thaje Majal?
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mughals how many gifts have they given us
Biryani doesn't look good, but can't comment about taste unless i try it.
That’s not biryani. In Thailand they call colored rice biryani. Not even remotely a biryani
Remember.....Noahs sons, Shem(Babylonia) and Japhet(Mongolia) were the closest of brothers. SHEM was oldest, father of Sufi/Naga long before "Islam" was born. Amazing content btw
The colonization predates the written records 😅
@@bahcha Indeed! Many times over. Tho, for this epoch, the 3-Kings (Noah's Sons) are the oldest remnant/center quadrent. The Oghums & oral traditions predate them all, even the pyramids/sphinx
@@I_am_ka Oral Traditions! Just like Vedas: Shruti means oral tradition! However digging deep- The evidences would never back up sir because of the lost history! We all know the Indians were religious, but there's a large sect of ancient philosophy missing named Lokayata/Charvaka: the Atheists who were Materialists were also termed Asuras in later Hindu Pantheons: funnily the word Matter has its origin from latin word mater meaning Mother! Yes, there are traces of a Matriarchal society with a strong focus on agriculture and rice. They were the agricultural magicians.. If you notice, the South East Asian countries till date are more tolerable to women.. The old Persians who were Zoroastrians believed in Ahura Mazda, since H becomes S (Sind-Hind) in India: Asura! Ashurbanipal, Ashurhaddon: names of few Persian kings..Magic word comes from Persian word Magi meaning a Zoroastrian priest. Gift of Magi :) However, the Zoroastrians too followed a Patriarchal monotheistic approach to Ahura.. Religion looks to be the first Idealistic Business created by Mankind.. And now we have Money as an Idealistic measure to value Materials.. AI coming further 😊
@@bahcha The Oral traditions are the only evidence besides many stolen stellas, sanskrit etc that mankind has to support much. Akasha, like the 4 realms and under-world/-water chapters known by the Naga & Olmec would be the farthest we can go concerning evidence as for example the deluge's that come every 12-26k years repeatedly for eons as well as the solar events that wipe us clean off the map again repeatedly. The question goes back to who keeps reseting/re-planting us in the many gardens we have come from. We keep being re-planted over & over. India/Yucatan stellas are sheer proof of our intelligent design (being designed). Say religious text or Babylon/Sumerian text also support the multiple-genesis, the bible having record of just 1 and older sources depicting many
There's no such thing as "Muslim dishes."
Roti,Biriyani, massaman, etc.Are Muslim,halal dishes. Having lived here 28 years these are all described as Muslim food in the Thai language.
@@Fighting_Irish184 Oh, so we a group of dishes called "Muslim dishes" in Thailand. I didn't know that.
What I meant is that different Muslim ethnic groups and nations within the Muslim world have very different dishes. "Muslims" in general don't have a cuisine they all share. Some dishes are similar between some Muslim countries, but that's just cultural exchange.
I want to re-establish the Mongol empire and go on a cheap food tour all over Asia.
The facts were mixed, example referring a thai dish was from Cambodia ! That proved you don't know what Cambodians food is! 😳
Confident in our research and very, very familiar with Khmer cuisine and history, thanks for watching though
How's pizza became an American food??? with pineapple and BBQ sauce in it....hahahaha
You forgot to add the side of ranch dressing
@@OTRontheroad Nope ...ketchup please !
False , I came from the family that bring that dish to Thailand. It’s Persian, not Indian.
We also know members of that family, but it’s a story that isn’t without problems. There are three possible origin stories and eventually we will do a full video that explores all three and what is the most likely and plausible.
One more narrative being set😂😂😂 thai cuisine are very different...dont disrespect their culture...love from india
Masaman curry in Hindi means a curry just like the way your mom made. Maa Samaan Curry
As a fellow (former) Civ 6 brat, i suggest you make more such videos or Gandhi's algorithm will start researching nuclear bomb. 😂 💣🌋
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Modern Asian Cuisine ?
I think Chinese cuisine, Cantonese Cuisine, Japanese and Korean cuisine.
Its more like South Asia and South East Asia.
Watch the video, not just the title please. It’s all explained in there
Our first food was mama's breast milk!!
Of Mughals and Muggles
This video is so wrong in terms of history😂
The mughals didnt fell to british.. But marathas... And then marathas fell to british..
I think you misunderstood badly. The Mughals spread the cuisine. Later, India fell to the British and the British also colonized Malaysia, and then that’s when waves of immigration brought the food to Southeast Asia. Sorry if that wasn’t clear from your side.
Let's keep things to just food and not talk about the peace and prosperity crap, the Mughals along with other Islamic rulers were invaders on Indian subcontinent and if you dig into history the worst ethnic cleansing anybody faced even more than Jews were the Hindus, thousands of historical temples destroyed millions killed in the name of Islam 800 years of struggle, with continuous plunder destroying great universities forcing jajiya but still they never managed to conquer India fully, so yah the history is very dark so don't go there, focus on something simple like food only..
I just watched this video to check how much inaccuracies is in it when it comes to Indian food which some idiots call mughal cusines.. First of all Mughals come from central asia... so let alone making food with spices they have never ever seen rice.. they were just barbarians.. Biryani was and is Indian dish.. about 1000 yrs and more time before Mughals word was even coined, Tamils were making and eating this dish which later got called Biryani.. if mughals brought it to India then how the hell rice and spices were available in central Asia at that time..
Most of the old generation Indians were and are brainwashed to appreciate barbarians like mughals,turks because of Indian left,Marxists and Nehruvian congress suited there politics.
Wow you managed to misunderstand this video at a pretty incredible level. Almost all of what you wrote is exactly what we said. And re: Tamil traditions, that’s EXACTLY what this video explained. These are not “Mughal foods”. They are foods that spread across the subcontinent (and later overseas) during the Mughal period. Sorry if that was somehow completely unclear.
May need to change the thumbnail- it makes no sense: a Muslim is a follower of Islam, a religion; Thai is an ethnicity. There are Thai Muslims and there is no quintessentially "Muslim" food apart from whether its "halal" or not. Perhaps you wanted to say "Indo-Persian" instead?
Most of the Muslim food is copy of Indian food,
So the Mugols were NOT colonizers because they were muslims? What a nonsense
Who in the world said that? How you can get that from this video is astounding.
Bollocks
Food is an interesting topic. I am from India and regarding the origin of Biriyani , I would like to add some piece of history as told to me by my Muslim friend from Lucknow. my friend Syed Naqvi told me the concept of BIRIYANI started with the Mughal Emperor Akbar had to feed a vast army consisting oh both Muslims and Hindus. huge quantity of rice with mutton and spices were prepared to feed the army. later it entered to all kitchens. Biriyani took various forms with regional favours like Hyderabad biriyani, Ambur biriyani and so on.. My friend Zama from Hyderabad used to tell with fake anger that Biriyani is always Non veg with Mutton or Chicken and you people are spoiling its name by making Veg Biriyani.
fake info
Man I’m from Hyderabad and I can tell you that Bangkok’s so called Indian food is not remotely Mughal or good quality Indian. It’s really bad quality stuff. You can’t cook authentic biryani in a shack. It takes hours and you gotta go to Hyderabad or Delhi to even begin to understand. Please don’t associate Pakistani biryani with Indian biryani.
Your first and last sentence are garbage- you cannot paint with a wide brush and say that all Bangkok Indian food is bad. That's wrong. You also can't make the Indian-Pakistani comment as whatever you want to say about the differences today, there is a long and shared history. It's a shame you said those two things, because your other comment about Hyderabad having uniquely awesome Biryani is absolutely true. It's so epic that we're actually looking at an OTR trip to film in Hyderabad (as part of a possible India swing) before the end of this year. It is truly one of the world's great places for food.
@@OTRontheroad there is no good quality Indian food in Bangkok except in a few places but pahurat is trash. Low quality and unhygienic. When you go to India you’ll get what I mean. When you eat a real naan or real mutton (not NZ lamb) I mean no disrespect but it’s obvious you have no clue about Indian food. Checkout Karim’s Delhi or paradise in Hyderabad for starters. Pahurat! Is shy. It’s a Indian but not good quality
@@OTRontheroad He's an Indian, hating on Pakistan is basically in their DNA. Pakistanis, on the other hand, most of us are pretty self-aware and comfortable with the fact that both Pakistan and India share culture and heritage that goes back thousands of years.
@@f1aziz 🤣 Jab gaan lagi phatne toh khairaat lage batane .
Maamu , aajkal Paxtaniyon ko Bharatiyon par bada pyaar aaraha hain. 2 saal pehle tak toh online jo bhi Paxtani milta tha fazr ko Turki , asar ko irani , magrib ko Afghan aur isa ko Arbi hota tha.
Aaj jo bhi Paxtani online milta hain sab ko apna humsaya tehzeeb , zubaani , khaan paan , rivaje yaad aa rahi hain .
Pataa nahin in 2 saalon mein aisa kya karamat hua maamu ?
@@OTRontheroad resided in bkk for 2 yrs & tried practically every Indian & Pakistani restaurant there is to try . What that poster wrote is absolutely true. The so called Indian & Pakistani restaurants selling Indian stuff mostly but also at times advertising their wares as Pakistani cuisine sell low quality garbage at atrocious prices . To make matters worse they're greasy.
Btw there's a difference between Indian & Pakistani cuisine . Beef biriyani is a staple in Pakistan. You rarely get it in India even in Muslim restaurants here .
Agree with the rest of your comment.
India ? Funny
Dishes can't be muslim,hindu,aur christian.tbey can be Arab,Indian, Greek,,,,,
I LOVE the mughal empire just because of their love for arts and cusine.
The Mughal empire in India is not a failed empire for gods sake. 😂
FFS watch the f'ing video before commenting. You didn't even read the title correctly. Emperor, not empire.
@@OTRontheroad I did watch the full video. I grew up in India and I know a few things about the Mughal empire. Which "failed" emperor were you referring to specifically? I love your channel and I referred your channel to my friends. Do you usually interact with your viewers like this? I'll let it go, probably you were drunk.
@@NITBAN Well- again- there's nothing in this video that calls it a failed Empire- goodness, it's one of the most influential kingdoms in South Asian history. The point was about Jahangir- who didn't really accomplish anything except he was massively devoted to food. So that was kind of the thesis of the story (without proof- just a guess)...that his personal obsession with food from across his empire was what caused techniques and ingredients to combine and spread.
@@NITBAN And I'm happy to chalk it up to a misunderstanding or a mis-type in the comment, but yeah- sore spot. Nothing bothers me more than how many comments we get that are just ranting about a title (or the first ten words of the cold open) when it's all explained in the rest of the video. So that was why I got agitated from calling it a "failed empire"- if anything, the point of this video is what a successful and important empire the Mughals were, just about Jahangir himself failing to win any wars or achievements so he focused his attention on palace cuisine
Pls do video about malaysian the origin of foods, there are alot of claims, like
Sambal from sirlanka
Coconut rice from india and srilanka
Sweet dodol from srilanka
Shrimp paste from korea but not in paste
Roti canani, roti jala , briyani, cendol, putu piring, kuih keriang many more are from chinese and indian. As far as i ancient indonesia and malaysia was conquer by indian, i believe its from them and there is little modification. Pls clear the doubt, lie so so so. TQ
Stop BS propaganda these were mostly Indian and Persian food not Muslim
Either you didn't watch the video, or somehow missed the entire explanation where about 15 minutes is spent describing how this food was a mix of Indian and Persian.
Lokhande is a Marathi surname