TenZ Tries No Counter Strafing Movement In Valorant AND Explains About It
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- TenZ Tries No Counter Strafing Movement In Valorant AND Explains About It
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In CS people counter strafe because your character still moves a bit even after you let go of your movement key to stop yourself dead in your tracks. In valorant, when you let your movement key go, you slow down much quicker than in CS to the point where if you’re not moving at full speed then you’ll pretty much completely stop after letting go of your movement key.
Even if you are moving at full speed, it makes barely any difference, i think it's about 10 or 20 ms when they tested it, so there's not really any reason to do it unless it's just a habit. Imo it's a bad habit as well cause if you press the counter strafe for just a frame too long you're moving again and innacurate
@@hugobot20 no, if you counterstrafe you're pressing both keys at the same time, and you have to let the first one to move (A then add D to stop, then let A to go), but even if you don't it then becomes what is called deadzoning, you have a frame where you move back and still can shot one bullet with accuracy (or two for weapons with a firerate above 10). I need a prove that this is only 16ms in a wide peek/swing/full momentum, because I can clearly feel this is way slower
@@Assassunn objectively, what you're saying that is not counter strafing. If you go into Cs right now and try to press both A and D at the same time you will see that it doesn't make any difference to stop time, you HAVE to let go of A before pressing D or visa versa, or it doesn't make you stop any quicker. I believe the tests do the same thing. And I don't know because I havent seen tests on this, but in valorant it doesn't feel like pressing both is any different from just letting go altogether, which would make sense because it doesn't make you move in the opposite direction either
@@Assassunn ur not counterstrafing right if ur holding both lol
@@kuunai6986 not true, it works, if you don't believe me go to range ult jett and try both the difference will be obvious even for someone bad at counterstrafing
so no one is gonna talk about how he finished a dm in only 3 MINUTES
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I always hated this because if 1 guy gets 40 kills then other 9 people are thrown out of the game as well
@@LAM_G80085well it takes like 20 seconds to queue so not a big deal
@@LAM_G80085bro they can always queue another one
@@LAM_G80085 yeah, we need deatmatch with FIX MINUTES not by 40 kill.
This style is good for people with good first bullet accuracy, you play into that strength more by stopping and trying to line up the shot as fast as you can, having fast and smooth micro adjustments is crucial to do this. If you aim train or practice micro adjustments/smoothness in your aim you should consider this aim style. Anyone who can’t should resort to game sense and learn how you should peak and manipulate how they aim with movement. For example, if you jiggle peek close to a wall their crosshair will be holding close to the wall so you can just poppin swing after that and get easy kills. And if they’re the type to op and hold playing off of reaction time, chances are you can just wide swing and they’ll shoot too late and miss. Another example is if they’re the type to aim like fishy chair always holding wide then you can peek close and one tap them since more often than not they’re standing still for the one tap they thought they had. You just have to have good timing to know when to peek to throw off their timing and pay attention to how they hit shots. Imo I think the best time to peek is when there’s a flash, a kill in the kill feed, or possibly footsteps near them, any little distraction can throw off their focus and is the perfect time to peek since they’re distracted, even if it’s for a brief moment.
Counterstrafing > not counterstrafing. In EVERY situation. The only difference is that with counterstrafing you get first shot accuracy quicker. The problem with this is that its almost useless in this game compared to csgo. Tenz is one of the fastest aimers in the game, yet even he doesnt benefit from getting that first bullet accuracy quicker in most situations. If it doesnt make a difference for tenz, then its not going to make a difference for 99.99% of this games players.
Not counterstrafing is almost entirely unnoticably better for players that take their time to aim, which is the opposite of what you said.
@@dannyjenkins1408 I was kind of speaking from experience and counter strafing has always been easy to me. I can do it reflexively for a long while now. To me, the moment I counter strafe it’s the moment I know with 100% certainty I can shoot with first bullet accuracy, it allows me to be faster actually. It also allows me to flick to people when I’m running, I can counterstrafe immediately and lineup my shot immediately.
i aint readin allat
I love the part where you explain how you know with 100% confidence where their crosshair is and how you should peek in every situation
@@dannyjenkins1408not counterstrafing isnt an improvement its just a difference idk if you realised but he has been counterstrafing for years so he has to think about it which makes him worse. Its kinda like a crouch spray problem but with counterstrafing
it is insane how good he is, I knew he is good but watching how he makes like eight kills in a row almost everyime is crazy
i think this is a smurf acc but still yeah he's nuts
@@JizBoyy420 7:54 rank - radiant 24, smurf??
@@shad0wcsgoOh nvm then. Just noticed he was playing without skins and the enemies looked kinda bad
@@JizBoyy420 the mmr in dm is actually so fucked, i got a peak radiant in my dm a few days ago as a silver 3💀
@@rice5827 oh i know, my td squad consisted of unranked, iron, silver, gold and immortal.
Here is my opinion: No, counter strafing is not necessary, but if you are good at it, then it improves consistency and timing which is a lot better than just letting go, but in the end, its just whatver you're comfortable with
if ur plat-ascendant it does not matter.
@@oliveroviedo4035 what if asc and want to climb higher
@@vortex9814 Still doesn't matter. The time you gain from stopping by counter strafing is so small as to be insignificant. If it helps with your timing and you are in the habit of doing it already, then keep doing it. If not, don't bother.
@@vortex9814 hi vortex, if your ascendant, and cant get up for some odd reason, either you are doing something fundementally wrong-comms, util, aim, strategy, gamesense, or your movement is simply lackluster. Do not listen to this idiot @lordofstone, he doesnt know what he's talking about. Swinging angles in valorant is essential to the game, and counter strafing allows you to do it at a rate that consistently gives you the benefit of peekers advantage. If you cant utilize counter strafing in a meaningful way, then it just means that you need more hours in game. If you don't understand counter-strafes, i would implore you to learn. Many people watch Tenz do this and say "oh its useful but not needed. Its needed for high level plays. Never be lackluster in your attempts.
@@lordofstone3989 Your an amateur.
dont take his word. this only applies to him and not everyone. his first bullet accuracy is just great thats why
thats true
That true Good Advice !!
I don’t counter strafe at all. There is an ever so slight difference in speed. Counter strafe does help but it’s so minuscule that if you don’t do it you’ll be fine tbh, I’m asc 2 with decent aim and I’m sure if I implemented counter strafing it won’t do as much as practicing something else to help me climb yk
No, Tenz has finally realized that the speed you gain from counterstraifing is .06 of a second if you do it absolutely perfect. IT DOES NOT MATTER
@@bluesqu1d711 lmao is it really .06 seconds?
he makes it look so easy. the way he shoots bots in hard speed while moving is just insane. you truly understand it when you train at hard speed yourself.
Wait did he just do a 3 minute death match lol
Actually counter strafing is not useful in valorant as it is CS. Woohoojin shows this in his example video and most of his viewers do not counter strafe
im gonna check it out
i notice a fellow student of the banana sensei, and i tip my hat to you good sir
counter strafing does work but in val it’s not needed as the character moves much slower than cs, which is another reason op is broken in this game
Valid
youre thinking of actual "counter-strafing", when tenz is saying counter strafing here hes just using the word to mean "strafing". tenz is playing this dm without strafing and moving constantly between shots. NOT the whole "press the opposite movement key to stop faster".
The wooting keyboard enhances this style of movement far more with the rapid trigger technology since your input will literally stop the instant you stop applying pressure on your key, whereas with any other keyboard you will have to wait for the key to reset completely past the actuation point.
If anything that's worse cause it'll throw off your timing (at least when trying to get used to it)
@@343JustMeyou have to get used to it. It’s not worse, it’s a readjustment that doesn’t take long to master lol
@@cerinechoi2836 I feel like because of how sensitive wootings keys are it's something I'd never get used to
@@343JustMe you can customize how how sensitive they are, you don't have to put them on the lowest setting
This is some wild cope. The difference is so negligible it literally does not matter unless you are TenZ himself, and even then it likely still doesn't.
I counter strafe all the time except when I’m burst firing I won’t bother after the first burst or two of bullets
Can't tell if he's doing better or worse, cuz he's a machine
What stream is this one?
Whatever you train is whatever you will get good at. People are overcomplicating it
because it is complicated there are différent watts of playing fights and he is trying to find the post optimal one
I can't believe tenz of all people wouldn't already know this, when it's been that way since beta
I don’t play counterstafing and I’m fine but sometimes I think I have to learn it because the movement is better and when I don’t hit the first shot the bullets that came after are more accurate idk but I don’t use it and I played ascendet 2 my aim is good you think counter Strafe is a must? Or it’s better?
For valorant, it isn't. For CS:GO, you totally need it.
bro is a spinning turret
LMAO yeah
Coming from CSGO I was automatically counter strafing in Valorant the whole time it felt off like I was still kinda inaccurate while counter strafing I then found this out that all you have to do is let go of the key my gameplay absolutely changed everything felt more slow like I had more time to shoot.
In CSGO all I did was let god of WASD while pressing Shift to shot. In Valorant it gave me a lot of whiff and I couldn't get why. It turns out I was used to shoot before stoping, and in CSGO, that makes the first bullet miss, but as soon as you stop it starts hitting again. You can even side-step mid spray and it'll whiff a couple bullets, but then start hitting again when you stop moving. That's because in CSGO it's 3 separate components: recoil (shooting shifts the cone of bullets away from the crosshair, with fixed seeds that create patterns) + shooting spread (shooting lowers accuracy, increasing the cone of bullets around) + movement spread (moving further increases the cone). When you stop moving, the 3rd one goes to zero. In Valorant, one moving shot and your entire recoil and spread goes mad, and then you need half a second for it to reset. So if you shot the first bullet while still moving, you'll miss not just that first bullet, but the entire burst or spray. Hence, I went back from Shift-to-stop to counter-strafing in Valorant (used to do it in back in 1.6). Tenz got his timing really trained, and shots exactly as he stops. So it seems counter-strafing is unnecessary, and more like just forces me into good practice with the input sequence. I'd press Shift and M1 at the same time, but A/D and M1 in sequence.
Counter strafing is great for jiggling and catching people off guard, but while straphing in a regular duel, counter strafing is kinda useless
it's useless because of the engine, not like source when you counter strafe it stops you. here you just click once and let go and you're stopped
There was a study that counterstrafing is non existent in Valorant
Been trying no counter strafing my whole life
i think it all comes to their own playstyle but this one u need more precision absolutely
This is a no strafing run, and because of that also a no counterstrafing run. But the terminology is inprecise
To put it simply:
If you have good crosshair placement, this method works like wonder.
But if you dont have a really good crosshair placement, counter strafing is the way because it helps you adjust your crosshair.👍
That makes absolutely no sense
i always train like this for a month and my headshot percentage went from 13 to 22 im still in my first act
you mean no counterstrafing and just letting go of the key instead?
you can hold a while pressing d to stop and fire.
if you have a wooting keyboard is better to let go, otherwise you need to counter strafe. Because you will have some delay before your key will come all the way up again. With wooting it’s just instant deactivation once you let go of the key
The difference between counter strafing and just letting go is so small it doesn't even matter what keyboard you use
@@Javier-ss7jg wrong, look up wooting keyboard mechanics. normal keyboards moment u let go of a key u have to wait until its fully "up" before its registered as you letting go. With a wooting moment u let off the key it's registered as you letting go.
@@austinharlow8672 I'm not saying the wooting keyboard doesnt work or doesnt have an advantage. I'm saying the difference between counter strafing and just letting go of the key is so small in valorant that you dont have to counterstrafe just cos you arent using a wooting keyboard.
I have a wooting and been having movement issues because of how fast it responds lol might have to try this method out and see if its better
ur still supposed to counter strafe and jiggle with wooting. rapid trigger just lets u counter strafe quicker and more consistently
Gonna try this in ranked
Is this comparing to deadzoning rather than counterstrafing? Just trying to understand since technically counterstrafing does nothing in this game anyway, but deadzoning is a whole other thing since you don't stop...
Its muscle memory from cs i can't stop
Yeah same but honestly If your perfect it makes like 0.1ms difference
@@Krihzak i do it like 90% perfect so i don't think its worth to break the habit especially when i play cs too
Valo is my first fps but it's a muscle memory for me now too
@@kassuaim Yeah lol one of the main reasons I counter strafe is so I don't lose the skill of doing it LOL
@@Krihzak there is no merit in unlearning that habit either
TenZ is like Nagi (Bluelock), he hasn’t needed to explore new options technique wise but when he does he realizes it works for him
i have been saying this since day 1 of playing.
how valorant was supposed to be played
Stop & shoot 😅
bro this was the video told me that his aim is crispy af. its actually robotic looking like. That guy is insanely good at the game he has to be radiant for sure. He should probably go pro imo.
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Stop and shoot is Most common and useful technique. Even Skillcapped teach that.
Teach everyone to only aim for the head for 2 years. After that crouch shoot the shit out of them during matches 😂. Can't tell you how many times I lost the gun fight cause they crouched immediately 😂😂.
wait.. so
- A, let go, shoot
and
- A, a tap of D, shoot
is the same?
the first step you have to make is shooting as soon as your bullets get accurate, stop these stare fights
me not knowing what counter strafing is and what what is the opposite but doing both depends on the situation 💀
Counter-strafing is basically a method in CS:GO when you press d or a, you press the opposite key and it instantly stops, but it is basically useless in valorant cause the speed is practically the same as when you counter strafe. In csgo, I think it's like a 45% increase on decrease speed or sum, if my math is right.
the fact he hit my max benchmark (28/30) hard bots while moving on his 3rd attempt kinda pisses me off :D
You shoulda saw him in the C9 days. He hit all 30 on his first attempt
I did not know counter strafing was a thing in valorant till tenz talked about it 😂
its not a thing he literally talked about how it does nothing in valo and its a bad habit for him since he came from cs
Yeah it's one of the first differences you pick up on when you come from cs
@@4xmo it's totally a thing and absolutely every radiant players use it, he just says it doesn't make a big difference, but again that's because he has great fba and was playing in DM vs average players.
@@Assassunn no counterstrafing only works in cs because of how cs physics works. valorant doesnt work like that. woohoojin made a great video on this misunderstanding, id recommend you watch it. strafing is great in valorant but counterstrafing as most people understand it just doesnt work like in cs.
@@4xmo I watched it before couple of times and it's not a great video, there is absolutely no prove in his videos and the irony is that the only moment he does a wide strafe (with full momentum) is when he is showing what counterstrafe is. I love woohoojin but don't listen to him about mechanics. Absolutely every radiant players recommend counterstrafing, I've been asking many of them in twitch and discord. The difference in a wide swing is 60 ms, which is gigantic and let you easily measure it visually with markers and feel the difference. Also, jiggling (deadzoning) is a specific different skill that doesn't work when you swing or when you don't do onetap only (or 2 taps with weapons above 10b/s firerate) strafe in a gunfight
And this is why DM should have skill-based matchmaking lmao
It's sad because this lowers the skill ceiling by allot
ive heard counter strafing is uesless in valorant tho
In valorant it takes 8 frames to be precise if you dont counter strafe and 7 if you do. In CS its 12 to 4 or something close to that. Counting in mistakes its probably not worth it yea
this man is leagues above me
no shit
Doesn't everyone do that? In every video I watched when I started learning to play Valorant players say that there's no reason to Counter Strafe in this game and you should just let your key because there's almost no difference in the speed.
Some tutorials say counter strafe is faster so ppl sticked to it but it actually has no difference and if u dont counter strafe perfectly therr will be shooting error
Two completely different subjects. What this video promotes is not moving at all when in duels. Which goes against the common wisdom of starfing while aiming and repositioning with strafe for the adjustment and next burst. This just seems to be a feel thing for TenZ - so hard to argue for or against if this is a correct thing - but I'm skeptical in general - you really need to master movement in duels first, to try this out more.
What you are talking about is the fact that "counter strafing" as a mechanic is not particularily useful in Valorant, and is not needed at all - as you can strafe, let go of key, shoot, strafe again, and it works fine (inputs for example D, let go of D, M1, D). In CS you'd need to do a "counter strafe" which means you need to input D, tap A (called the counter strafe, which make you stop instantly, instead of gliding), M! to shoot, D.
@@AsirIsetso both the video title and tenz simply meant strafing, but both ended up saying "counter-strafing" which is a completely different technique lol
@@CorrosiveCitrus Yes people use very lazy terminology around this subject and conflate different things under the same word. I think the confusion comes with using CS terminology to describe Valo. So this video just talks about strafing in general. Counter strafing is not useful in Valorant. Dead zoning is th regular move-shoot-move pattern, which people usually refer to as counterstrafing, although that is not accurate (but ofcourse by definition you do do a counter strafe if you dead zone by A-M1-D. But on the other hand you dont counter strafe when you do A-M1-A,m which is possible in Valo and not in CS, where oyu would need a A-D-M1-A).
i mean if i also had my eyes stuck to the screeen im pretty sure that that light will travel faster to my eyes meaning more reaction time and playing like tenz ,, but then again is that normal distance to keep from a screen tyson ?,... people ?¡? hellloo ?
light travels so fast that distance to screen makes no difference in terms of what you see lmao
his dms different than mines
imagine queueing up a dm to warm up and you're against tenz. I've been against plenty of immortal 3 players, but this would be a whole different ballgame.
Even other radiant players are not the same tbh, I played a deatmatch against a clan who had all peaked 900+ in radiant and the I (Ascendant 1) got to 35. Tenz is just a whole other level watching this, actually kinda insane.
@@LazyGibbont dont matter about beating radiants in dm i was gold and i beat some esports player in dm but hes radiant and im gold so theres clearly a skill gap dm dont prove anything
NO that is how Tenz aim
this movement is a problem since beta. it would be much better if accel and deacceleration would take some more time.
he doesn't need it because he doent miss his first shoot to start strafing xD
As woohoojin already said. Counterstrafing is not a thing in Valo
if you are bad at counter strafing its better not even do it in this game it will have opposite effect.
I did this and my aim % on tracker was 16 to start. Went to 18 the first week. 22 the 2nd week. Then I started practicing several times a day. 28 the 3rd week. 33 the 4th week. Sometimes I get games with 50% HS rate or higher now, with above 20 kills.
Lol “is this how all valorant players aim?”
The fps world - no this how most of us aim WTF?
HE HAS A WOOTING 60HE THAT HAS RAPID TRIGGER. He doesnt have to release his key the whole way before the key stops being pressed. Wont work as well with normal keyboard
I think what comes natural, I come from CSGO and I counterstrafe, what happens is it's not useful in valo but doesn't take away anything. Tbh pressing both keys to stop goves me that feeling that I should pull the trigger rn, so I should say it helps in my deadzoning. But if someone is starting with Valorant and naturally not counterstrafing, they don't need to. But going for first bullet accuracy is much more helpful.
Imo, this is the key to his success
He counter strafes a lot but he is trying this recently
How is it the key to his success if he literally just started doing this...
it has been shown that counter strafing doesn't do anything in valorant don't waste your time learning it
like its legit a proofen fact
If you have keyboard like him you don't need to counter strafe. Check wooting 60 he.
How does he flick behind him so fast, can anyone explain his settings to me?
practice turning 180, also crosshair placement. settings have nothing to do with it
@@basedgengarenjoyer7510 I see, thanks for the info
Counterstrafing doesnt make you stop faster its all in your head. So really its a matter of doing whats most comforable for you.
wrong
he would have achieved the same results if he countered strafe
im confused isn't counter strafing in this game useless compared to cs
which keyboard is he using for this?
Wooting 60 he
I do this but i just hold both A and D to stop
Thats counter strafing
@@Krihzak no , counter strafing is when u Hold A/D and then if you wanna stop, you let go of A/D and tap the other key . if im holding A , to stop, i let go of A and tap D. difference is i dont tap it at the end i just have both keys down
@@kansashi_thats not counter strafing thats deadzoning. Two different concepts
@@ApolloArden its called counterstraing tho?
@@kansashi_ thats deadzoning not counterstrafing
it feels weird if i just let go of a key. feels like im not having balance
same i need to get used to it
@@Krihzakyou don’t need to remove the habit it won’t make you better or worse
Wait, he were playing with counter strafing all this time?
is it demon1's shooting style?
Yea
Whats his sens and dpi in this?
.2 1600dpi i guess or .24 1600
We need more affordable keyboards with this level of rapid trigger because no matter which way you look at it, in the hands of the average player this shit is a HUGE advantage 💯
In the hands of slightly above average players*
Let's be real. This keyboard ain't making up for shit game sense and movement.
If you play cs, stick to counter strafe maybe. If you dont, theres literally no reason for you to do it. There are more shits you should focus on instead of this
and this is why valorant is easier, u dont even need to counter strafe bro 💀
wat sens was he using there?
Same i want to know bro
Bro why do I die so fast in duels someone help
Bruh i just learned to counter strafe a week ago
Should I counter strafe or let go off my keys pls tell 😢
Personal preference
Letting go of the key is way better
How howw? He does that
Damn bro that bell is atrocious
Ive literally never counter strafed I always play like this. I dont like focusing on my key strokes while im aiming so i just let go. Its gotten me to silver in 2 months so we'll see
FYI for all the hardstuck golds. Counter-strafing is not necessary if you just wanna be bad. At the end of the day ACTUAL counter strafing along with crosshair placement is the hardest concept to master. Most of you only have a rudimentary understanding of crosshair placement. So this means that you should try and aim better, before trying to counterstrafe and even then, the process will take a few months to take on if you are new to shooter games.
Counter strafing is not necessary at all. No one really benefits from it.
@@Brandon-vd7er lets guess rankkkk gold to ascendant. ur still trash
He's fighting bots in DM
no hes just tenz
is tenz doing deadzoning?
Guys whether or not you do this has nothing to do with how good your aim is, everyone should do this to make their aim better. Anyone saying “counter strafing makes you harder to hit” no it doesn’t. Anyone saying “It’s faster to cancel your momentum with a counter strafe” no it’s not.
I cant get used to it
I guess this doent work in immortal lobbies
And its hard when opponent also does that😂
Lol what is bruv waffling about man 😂
1st u dont stop faster without counter strafing, u stop as fast I would say
2nd yeah, u cant jiggle with this technique since it takes forever to wait for the key to go up
3rd no, its not better to not moving than jiggling lol 😂
How can this guy say so much trash in like 8min lol, "who cares about moving if I can just be an automatic turret that one shot everyone ?" Yeah sure who cares then? But no one play like that lol.
Moving makes u an harder target, while moving u can take the time to aim properly and swap targerts easely.
Dont listen to what this guy say. He is just extremely gifted, its just raw talent with no brain at this point 😂
Not counter strafing works now because everyone counter strafes
lmao
i do this evey deathmatch i play but still im not TenZ ;;;;;
sooo basically outaim everyone
He tried elo hell movement but he still got the radiant aim!
counter strafing? lol i just move when I miss so I don't die
I mean strafing is still superior to just standing still but yeah counter strafing is really only useful for like jiggle shots
Yo i got that skin
Who is this guy?? His aim is fucking cracked!
tenz, one of the best players in valorant
Bro forgot that we need to have AIM like him before doing this. If even he does this in pro matches, he's getting clapped because everyone have perfect AIM in there.
L take. Pros don't have perfect aim, far from it. Also I am willing to gift you 50$ if you can spot the difference between counterstrafe and letting go off the movement key while holding an angle consistently
Counterstrafing isn’t a thing in Valorant
demon1 let goes of his key, look at him go
Demon1 from EG, Less from LOUD don’t counter strafe look at how insane they are, what are you going to say now?
I’ve been counterstrafing and now just stopped and let go of keys when I see an enemy and I can tell a difference. It’s better to let go.
Lol this is silver rank skill in cs go