Owned fl5 and 23 and 24 GRC. in general 100 agree with your observations. Choice has been the GRC. More character, more fun and better on less than perfect road conditions. Traded the fl5 for cayman. Bases covered😎
You hit it perfectly when you talked about weather - a lot of people don’t consider this, or just take ideal condition track reviews at face value without thinking of their daily conditions. I just sold my FL5 for an RS3 because it rains half of the year where I live. The FL5 is fun in the summer but totally boring when there’s any kind of weather, especially because the engine/exhaust sounds like nothing. The biggest problem with the GR Corolla IMO is the interior space. I think some of the dynamic problems could be overlooked if it was more practical.
Agreed. If the GR Corolla had another 2 inches of rear leg room and 2-3 inches of trunk depth, it would be a lot more appealing as a do-it-all vehicle.
GRC all day long - I got annoyed with torque steer, bored & simply got tired of a fast FWD car! If you actually go on long road trips in the mountain - weather will happen - an AWD car is more practical. If you stay in Cali - knock yourself out. I like the look of a hot hatch - the S & type R read & look like a sedan If you need a bigger car buy an fn bigger car. The S & R are too big more my liking. I would have prefered a GR Yaris - but we don't get them here. So GRC it is. $10k will buy you a sh*t ton of mods a/w sorting out what should get done, installing the part & taking pleasue in a job well done.
I've owned: 2014 Focus ST (FBO + Tune) 2022 Hyundai Elantra N (Stock) 2023 GR Corolla (Core w/ Springs, Intake, Short Shifter) 2024 Integra Type S The Type-S from a luxury, comfort, livability, practicality, power, shifter feel, and handling dynamic is leaps and bounds the best amongst these. I still think the Focus & Fiesta ST are the next best FWD Hot Hatches that you can get that come close to the fun of a Type-S / Type-R. They have the daily driver fun of peak torque at 3k RPM, but fizzle off bad at >5k RPM.
Ended up getting an ND3 MX5. I liked the GRC but the interior was terrible. The ND3 feels much more higher end for slightly less, has more aluminum, double wishbones, convertible...feels like a much more expensive car. I also enjoyed the 86 more vs the GRC, the GRC is not linear to drive (throttle, turn in, etc). The 86 to me was a much better driving experience.
Similar feelings here. Wanted to love the GRC, was following it since first announcement, but wasn't raw or RWD enough for me. Mark ups and interior was a turn off. I would be very open to a GR Yaris if that was available.
You have to spend a lot more money to get something more fun than an ND2/3 Miata and even then it’s likely going to be too much car for the street. S2K is the only car that comes close but prices are really high, even clean ones will need some major maintenance, and it’s a worse daily driver in pretty much every way. More fun weekend car though. I wish Honda would give us another one….
The GR Corolla has so much character and it feels so untamed. I love mine! I’d love to drive a type r. But I think I’d keep my GRC if it came down to it.
I had an FK8 and sold it for a GR Corolla after driving it. I don't run it in bad weather but the all wheel drive is just better all the time. Like others I got sick of the torque steer in the Honda and the boring technically superior things you mentioned for the more fun and engaging (and cheaper) GRC.
I think the Corolla GR is better overall. 1# AWD vs FWD #2 cost is cheaper for the same performance at MSRP. Plus my 23 Corolla GR only has an upgraded intercooler and full custom charge pipes and makes 303whp and 310wtp.
I am about to get a 2025 GRC, almost bought a 2024 but when I found out about all the improvements….I was sold on the 2025! Air flow, suspension, weight, weld points, performance package standard and more! Now they can be bought for below MSRP too! Some dealers still think a Type R and Type S are some sort of exotic and are worth more than MSRP.
No, I have some cone shaped wheel locks in black color from advanced wheel locks. It’s hard to see but at $3k per wheel Toyota wants for those wheel I don’t want to lose them. 👍🏼
Thanks for the spot on review. 👍🏼 I really like the traditional hatchback look of the GR Corolla especially in the Circuit trim with the wing. It’s my everyday day beater I feel safe to drive fast all the time in any weather. I plan to get a winter wheel set up (Michelin Alpine 5) for many Tahoe runs while snowboarding and hopefully some snow drifting. I have a more focused weekend sporty car and a large V8 SUV to haul and tow things. I wasn’t looking for a do everything car in this purchase. And I actually like that this car has a Corolla economy interior it’s part of it’s charm. 😂
I agree that the Honda product is better built and, by all accounts offers superior overall handling but in the end none of that matters. Front wheel drive just ruins what could have otherwise been a spectacular offering. I've owned 180 cars including more than two dozen many front wheel drivers. Every one of them had the same limitation... driving the wrong wheels. When it comes to fun, it really has to be rear wheel drive. This is where the Corolla also fails because most AWD cars also have their own limitations, in most cases they tend to understeer at the limit or have so much grip and capability that you really can't deploy it on public streets. So even AWD isn't ideal from a "fun" factor. I say this from experience . I currently own 7 enthusiast cars covering the drivetrain gamut. Mid-engine, RWD (Renault R5 Turbo, Lister Bell Lancia Stratos, Toyota MR2 supercharged) rear engine, RWD (67' VW Beetle 2.0L) and front engine, FWD (Nissan B13 Sentra SE-R). In terms of fun, the Nissan is last. Sure it's fun for FWD, But that's like saying your Diesel powered food blender is "the best". It's still powered by diesel. It's limitations are too great. So for that reason the Honda loses this battle for me every time. Plus, unlike the Honda, the GR Corolla is handmade in the Motomitchu plant in Japan, the same specialty plant that created the Lexus LFA. The employees that build the GR Corolla and GR Yaris are required to have 30,000 hours of past employment with Toyota to even work in this plant. Heck, the carbon roof panel is hand laid and a direct descendant of the Lexus LFA program and cost $15,000 US at your local Toyota parts department. In terms of which car is more rare, special and unique, there is no comparison. The GR Corolla is truly rare in this day and age of production line fodder. And while the Honda product is outstanding, it is much more of a production line car, not the low production, hand built offering of cars like the GR Corolla. The GR Corolla has direct lineage to the World champion winning WRC Toyota GR Yaris. When you drive a GR Corolla with that knowledge it gives it a different feel. Understanding what went into its creation changes it dynamically. But most reviewers of these cars do not even know the backstory. There's really nothing on the market to compare the GR Yaris and or GR Corolla to because no other manufacturer is currently offering a true homologated rally car to the public.
I totally agree the backstory of the GR Corolla is really key to understanding the extraordinary development undertaken to executing this platform. Out of the gazillion of reviewers I probably have come across only two reviewers who did their homework and you could tell they had a different and deep appreciation for the GR Corolla and included the backstory in their review giving a more holistic perspective
@@Wind_slash0 TLDR: gr Corolla’s lineage is what’s important that makes the car special, it’s a “homologated” WRC in 2020s even tho no other manufacturer does it anymore
@@abikepeddler Hyundai does the i20N which is also a WRC car, if GRC is a honologated car then the Elantra N is too. Also you say all that even though the GR four and the G16 isn’t used in the WRC at all, the wrc rule only allows 4wd no C diff with LSD front and rear, the engine and drivetrain is completely different as well. You say research yet you ignore the 20-30 years of Honda type R lineage refined in the beginning by Aryton Senna and its core ideal kept going for 30 years 😂
There is a difference between turbo lag and turbo threshold. Bring the GR Corolla into its boost threshold and the response is immediate, lag almost imperceptible
How are you liking the increased height of stage 2 acuity shifter? I’m unsure about the short shift adapter since it makes the shifter a bit taller, and I kind of like the stock height right now..
An ACTUAL homologated WRC car being offered by a major manufacturer to the general public is, well... amazing in it's own right. I want a GR Yaris so much that I have put my money where my mouth is. My wife, who is of Italian decent, is applying for her Italian citizenship so that we can spend more time in Italy... driving a GR Yaris. THAT is how much I want a GR Yaris in my life. I'm willing to move to another country.
So zygrene, it sounds like you don't have a tune on your car? Have you considered it? I have a 23 Civic Si and I have thought about it, not so much for power gains as for improved throttle response / rev hang mitigation
I'm not interested in a tune because I think the factory K20C8 is already tuned well. Broad torque curve, little/no rev hang, and doesn't die off near redline. The Civic Si 1.5T is in desperate need of a tune, or whatever it takes to reduce the rev hang.
GR corolla is a really fun daily with a cheap interior, the Teggy is the true do it all car, with FWD. I'll go for the Teggy every time, I say this while watching the pre-video ads.
While I'm not a fan but the VW Golf R is actually priced less than a GR Corolla and probably has the better after market. HPA Golf R would embarass any of these cars modded or not.
The GR Corolla is not a perfect car by any stretch. Admittedly, that is one of the things that I truly like about it. It would be near perfect if it was mid-engine and had a small V6 without boost. We GR Corolla owners have room to make adjustments to it so that it suits my driving style - there is a story here. I used to own an AW11. They're notoriously difficult to drive at speed. You have to learn the balance of that car, but once you do, it is absolute magic. Toyota creates a car that is 'good' and gives you a canvas to create your own art. I developed my own alignment settings for my AW11 (along with heavy suspension modifications) and I would outpace cars with 3 times the power on canyon drives (I was still on a stock 4AGE). I have no doubt at all that once I really start digging into my GR Corolla, I will develop a comfort with it (with personalized suspension tuning) that will make it sublime to me and something that others will not want to try to keep up with. Beyond that, your Integra (as you stated) has more than 4 degrees of negative camber at the front. The GR Corolla cannot do that in stock form. That is an apples to lemons comparison by itself, let alone the tire width difference. Then we get into displacement.... 1.6 VS 2.0 doesn't sound like a lot, but it is, which impacts acceleration out of turns and turbo spool up as well. I'm not making excuses for the GR Corolla - just detailing that with a smaller displacement engine turbo lag will be more obvious. Anywho.... If I still had it, I would love for you to drive my former AW11 (2.0L NA swap), and hear your response of that... But, realistically, give me 12 months and I will have my GR Corolla dialed in. I would love to hear your impressions of a custom tuned GR Corolla at that time.
I don’t really see the appeal for the integra. What does it have that your typical sports car doesn’t ? I’d pick a proper rwd mustang or a Camaro any day if I wanted a nice sports car . The GRC is a much more special vehicle there is nothing like it it’s a throwback to the STI from years ago… whether you value that or not that’s a different topic.
@@fpsinvader you can still buy a WRX though which was proven to be quicker around a rally course then the GRC. The thing that makes the car special is the fact that it’s built similar to a GTR or cars that have a special factory.
@@MaddNomad1015 the Rex is not quicker in anything it’s worse in pretty much anything vs a grc except maybe practicality. The wrx is no longer the special car that it used to be and it’s def not quicker on the track. I would argue that even the Elantra N is a better car than the regular wrx at this point
@@fpsinvaderLol. I own a GRC it’s not like I’m saying the WRX is better, I’m just saying being AWD isn’t really that special. You’re going on a random tangent.
FWD = Torque Steer, wheel hop, fried tires. Another Honda jerk off review. AWD is not just needed in bad weather. GR is cheaper and better and way more fun.
I think they’re all good cars… but something about paying 46k for a 3 cylinder just doesn’t sit well with me… I would go for the type r and type s over GRC every time.
I'm about to start looking for a newer car 2017+ pretty sure it'll be my first time, in 13 years of car ownership, owning a car that new. Needs to have 4 doors and not depreciate to much over the course of it's warranty. Ideally manual, rwd, runs on 87, gets good gas milage, and handles well. I know I probably won't find anything that checks all those boxes but it'd be great if I could. Any suggestions?
@Zygrene Yup they're rare even alone get all four would be a hard task. Don't think we'll ever see someone compare all back to back. Unless you can do it lol
@@jcmazss Having owned both, 2023 GR Corolla Core and traded in for the ITS, I would say the ITS is definitely more enjoyable 75% of the time of the year. GR Corolla is the better winter car, at least in the Greater Toronto Area.
@@yuanniwang oh for sure! ITS is so much better. I had an Evo X which was fun but kind of muted in the city use. I far more enjoy my current GR86 Trueno Edition and my GD3 Fit daily combo
Having driven the FL5, DE5 and own a GRC, im glad i went with the GRC. It's got so much more character than the other two. You can actually hear the turbo spool, blow off valve ect. The CTR twins are too muffled. The fake engine note is god awful and and aftermarket exhaust only improves things slightly. The CTR and Teg definitely have the better transmission and interior minus the missing comfort features omitted from both cars, but neither car made me regret my purchase. I say this as a diehard Honda fan who owns an 8th gen si and a 3rd gen integra. The GRC, despite its faults, always puts a smile on my face. The other 2, while impressive, left me wanting more.
@@ericpromisco2213 opposite for me, GRC is a let down coming from a GR86, seemed like the car was an after thought from Toyota or something, also the fact that the shift knob kept wanting to come off when I drove one didn’t put a good mark on me.
@30hours51 interesting take. I've known a few owners who have traded their GR86s in for the GRC and have loved them. To me, it feels like a proper hot hatch. An econo box with a fizzy engine. Not enough cars like it anymore.
I’m a Toyota die hard fan and love their sports car but the GRC didn’t do it for me. I test drove it and I felt something was missing from the driving experience. I didn’t feel connected to the car and as an overall package didn’t justify the price tag. It’s not sporty enough and not practical enough at the same time.
It is also too techy, always beeping at it's owner (me) and warning me there is, apparently, a small child sitting under my back wheels. It is pretty damn annoying. I don't even mind the simple interior because all I wanted was a pure, analog drivers car.
@@edgardoreyes5953 Yea, that might be true. But having to dig through sub menus to figure out how to turn off proximity warning crap or a rain sensing cappuccino maker is not why I bought this car. The other day it took me more time then it should just to reset the tripometer after a fill up. Granted, I'm a moron. That's a given. But what was wrong with just holding down the trip button for 5 seconds to reset the counter? Why do I have to go into a shit ton of menus to do something so common and simple? Don't even get me started on the bluetooth's total takeover of my phone! This car is so bad at it's complete domination of my phones bluetooth that even following the GR Corolla in ANOTHER CAR it kept disconnecting the bluetooth in the car I was driving and connecting to the GR that was some 100ft in front of me. It was SUPER ANNOYING! I just want to tear all this crap out of the GRC, install roll up windows, flick a lever to rear wheel drive and go hoon. I would have just bought an AE86/BRZ but resale performance is a key consideration in my world so it was GRC or nothing. Few cars will perform as well as the GRC Circuit at time of resale.
nah, they are for sure going to make more aftert 2024, there is already a confirmed 8 speed "Direct Automatic Transmission" as reported by car and driver.
It was louder than I expected, and for a Corolla its very stiff - try adjusting the radio with that tiny knob on anything but a perfect surface and you hit the touch screen taking you all over. Its got great grip and you can really throw it at corners, though I'm still not used to the shifting - its just kinda weird. Brakes are great, even on track. If not, its driver error no doubt. You really need to keep the revs up to keep the party going. There's not much tuning overhead and the body is quite noisy compared to the competition. Golf R/S3 a more polished AWD option, especially tuned as the 'Dub makes lots of power with a tune and the new ones have torque vectoring rear. I had a tuned S3 which was a weapon, but the Corolla wins with a manual transmission. Honda are the most precise machines to drive, the Corolla the most fun to thrash around, and the VW/Audi (tuned) are stoplight drags champs and easy 11 sec. quarter mile. I just can't do FWD anymore - just can't put down the power when tuned though I really like the interior of the Acura. - PS, you need to consider tuning of springs/shocks and especially swaybars - shouldn't need that much camber.
It’s almost identical to drive. The CTR is the more appropriate comparison for sure but that isn’t the car he owns. Additionally, I thought the “boy racer” appearance of the CTR was a little lame, I was deciding between the GR and a DE5 myself.
I own a 24 GRC and a 21 FK8. In terms of fun factor, it goes to the GRC. The steering rack is actually faster and the GRC has a true Motorsport and hot hatch feel. FK8 is good at high speeds and way more comfortable
The interior is a huge miss on the GR, it might as well be an LE Corolla. The cheap tacked on screen and hideous look of the shifter. Seeing them side by side, the Type S almost. Looks like twice the car.
@@yaboiyosef7640 the performance definitely does not justify the price lmfao. Real world people are paying 50-60 for these Corolla's. What performance? These cars are not actually track capable. They're the slowest and least performant out of its competitors while having the worst interior.
Yeah Toyota really should have taken a page out of the type r and done more to make the interior feel special. Even if it’s something simple like using a different color fabric for the floormat
I have the grc and had a 22 type r. Grc 3 cylinder is just a bummer of a motor. Uber thrashy and full of vibration. No response down low, no real power up top, just always strained. The car as a whole is somehow a great daily thou. The type r was more numb. Motor pulled but was also low on character. Awd grc wins as the fwd type r would almost always spin a tire.
Think Honda S2000. The GRC is a high strung engine and needs to be understood as such. Drive it like you stole it, high revs and it rewards you appropriately. If you’re in the right gear it will never feel strained. I’m actually super impressed by the GRC considering I was coming from a performance V8 engine. I thought the 3 cylinder would lack the pull but it proved me wrong.
I picked up my Type S for $48k (10k miles) and FL5s are not much better value. It was worth the few extra grand to me for a better looking car, more comfort and a few more luxury features. I agree that the markups were a joke when they came out
Its extremely laggy. I had an Focus ST - 0 turbo lag. Elantra N - a little bit. GR Corolla - good luck feeling like you even own a performance car when under 4k RPM. & I now have an ITS which makes power >3k RPM.
@@Zygrene I get it but only the informed would believe the Type S is a hatch back. Just like the Tesla Model S is also a hatchback but nobody would agree it is. It's the form factor overall that makes it more like a grand coupe. The Elantra N is also FWD. You should run the WRX comparo vs GR Corolla or better yet, bring back the Focus RS.
@@Vision33r How will anyone not believe the Type S is a hatchback? It's being marketed and sold as a hatchback? You can have your own definition of what a hatchback is but the Type S is a hatchback, " car body configuration with a rear door that swings upward to provide access to the main interior of the car as a cargo area rather than just to a separated trunk". So tell me how it isn't?
@@shinn43it’s more of a liftback. Plus the shape of the CTR and Teg scream sedan. It’s all about proportions and the CTR and ITR in no way look like a hot hatch especially when compared to real ones like GRC and Golf R
Crazy i wanted a GR ended up getting a Veloster N. And somehow i dont feel i want the GR anymore. I think you should drive a Veloster N w Performance Pack on the backroads.
@@Zygreneyou need a modified Elantra N review too! Will rori from Patty boi is starting out part out his track build Elantra N. It was reviewed by the Topher. Would have loved to see you review that car. Would really really love to see you review a tuned mild track build Elantra N. If you're ever in Toronto I'd love to let you take my car out.
Driving my manual GR Corolla in LA traffic daily and I’m still exhilarated after the drive. This is even after coming from a performance Lexus automatic. There is an art to it when you develop the skill. Nothing can replace that driver and car connection when driving a manual
I wonder how much better it will be with the automatic trans, suspension upgrades, the improved cooling, and torque upgrades on the 2025 GRC. I'm looking to buy one once they come out. One of the big reasons why I'm getting the 2025 model is because it will come with an automatic trans. I also much prefer AWD cars after having a gtr for almost 6 years.
Depends where you live honestly as the Mustang is RWD. You can get a Mustang with an automatic too though the GR Corolla and Integra are manual. You'd be able to get the Mustang for a lot cheaper than these cars, though you also throw away a lot of back-seat space and convenience with two doors. Long term reliability is going to be overall better with the Japanese cars. Making the tail go loose anytime I wanted and the interior lighting was the best part of owning a Mustang for me.
Totally different so I can't imagine cross shopping these. I was quite surprised how much I liked the Mustang and found its engine to be very nice, but you can throw the GR at corners in a way you never can with the Mustang.
@@30hours51 Nope, supposedly always engaged... its a less advanced Haldex system. Haldex doesn't overheat. I got about 15min on track before the GR overheated and its no bueno FWD only.
@@spinnetti its a haldex system with a smart C Diff that has slip due to rear over drive, its always engaged but a minimal amount, only adding power to the rear when necessary, this type of system will generate a lot of heat, however the main issue from what I am seeing is sensor issue instead of the diff quality issue
@@chrisg5101 it’s fwd biased and there’s no physical way that the C diff is able to maintain a static 60/40 or 30/70 or 50/50 split at all times, it’s a 95/5 split in 99% of the highway cruising situations the split controller only tells the C diff how much torque is allowed in the back.
True, but the Supra is not tied to Toyota's homologated WRC program the way the GR Corolla and GR Yaris are. There are a ton of $50,000 used cars that carry more status and are faster then a GR Corolla... heck, you could buy a clean Bentley Continental GT... but very few of them are as special as the GR Corolla.
@@abikepeddler the problem with that approach is that cost ownership isn’t at their used price rate. For example a M4 F82 costs around 50k used. The 12v battery for that vehicle costs around 3x more than the one used by the cars reviewed in this video.
GRolla Premium is a better value compared to Circuit. Hondacura needs to give up the FWD performance car 🐄💩. GRolla only has the heavy AWD drive setup going for it, but it's slowed down being a 3 banger. GRolla manual and that lame IMT button is nothing as good as anything made by Honda in any decade. Manual noobs are left standing still by just about every auto anyway🙄
…. and to put it in perspective that represents less than 0.0001% of GR Corollas sold not even taking into account the GR Yaris sold worldwide which has been in production a lot longer. The 2 that caught fire one was heavily rear ended the second one was a salvage title before it caught fire so stop with the fear mongering
I agree. I have owned FL5 and GRC. I understand why many people say the GRC is cheaper, but in my experience, the GRC interior worked just as good and had more features. Heated steering wheel, heated seats, heated windshield, parking sensors, homelink and fog lights. This was on the $42k Premium. Even the seats worked in the GRC better. Not as aggressive bolsters and seating position is higher. For the street, I enjoyed the GRC. Just more fun.
So many post about the interior of the gr being crap for $40k well for an additional $10k you could get an even prettier crap interior with the Integra🤷🏻♂️🫵🏼🤣
Owned fl5 and 23 and 24 GRC. in general 100 agree with your observations. Choice has been the GRC. More character, more fun and better on less than perfect road conditions. Traded the fl5 for cayman. Bases covered😎
Great combo!
@@dannyphamous 🙏🏻
Nice taste! I have the exact same combo 👍
@@trigganometry168 small world. Great choice 🥂🙏🏻
You hit it perfectly when you talked about weather - a lot of people don’t consider this, or just take ideal condition track reviews at face value without thinking of their daily conditions.
I just sold my FL5 for an RS3 because it rains half of the year where I live. The FL5 is fun in the summer but totally boring when there’s any kind of weather, especially because the engine/exhaust sounds like nothing.
The biggest problem with the GR Corolla IMO is the interior space. I think some of the dynamic problems could be overlooked if it was more practical.
Agreed. If the GR Corolla had another 2 inches of rear leg room and 2-3 inches of trunk depth, it would be a lot more appealing as a do-it-all vehicle.
I can’t knock u the rs3 is a better performance car but selling the fl5 cause of rain is crazy. Fwd do very well in the rain.
GRC all day long - I got annoyed with torque steer, bored & simply got tired of a fast FWD car!
If you actually go on long road trips in the mountain - weather will happen - an AWD car is more practical. If you stay in Cali - knock yourself out.
I like the look of a hot hatch - the S & type R read & look like a sedan
If you need a bigger car buy an fn bigger car. The S & R are too big more my liking. I would have prefered a GR Yaris - but we don't get them here. So GRC it is.
$10k will buy you a sh*t ton of mods a/w sorting out what should get done, installing the part & taking pleasue in a job well done.
I'd love to review a track prepped GR Corolla. All the examples I've driven are stock.
@@Zygrene I have since had an EcuTek Tune done - What a game changer👍
I've owned:
2014 Focus ST (FBO + Tune)
2022 Hyundai Elantra N (Stock)
2023 GR Corolla (Core w/ Springs, Intake, Short Shifter)
2024 Integra Type S
The Type-S from a luxury, comfort, livability, practicality, power, shifter feel, and handling dynamic is leaps and bounds the best amongst these. I still think the Focus & Fiesta ST are the next best FWD Hot Hatches that you can get that come close to the fun of a Type-S / Type-R. They have the daily driver fun of peak torque at 3k RPM, but fizzle off bad at >5k RPM.
As a Fiesta ST owner I feel bad for those that haven’t driven an ST. More than half the price and twice as fun 👍
I just tracked my Focus ST and it was fantastic. Such a great car to drive. I definitely have to improve the cooling though.
@@shifu9276 The Fiesta ST is an OUTSTANDING FWD car.
there is no luxury. It’s overpriced
Ended up getting an ND3 MX5. I liked the GRC but the interior was terrible. The ND3 feels much more higher end for slightly less, has more aluminum, double wishbones, convertible...feels like a much more expensive car. I also enjoyed the 86 more vs the GRC, the GRC is not linear to drive (throttle, turn in, etc). The 86 to me was a much better driving experience.
Similar feelings here. Wanted to love the GRC, was following it since first announcement, but wasn't raw or RWD enough for me. Mark ups and interior was a turn off. I would be very open to a GR Yaris if that was available.
You have to spend a lot more money to get something more fun than an ND2/3 Miata and even then it’s likely going to be too much car for the street.
S2K is the only car that comes close but prices are really high, even clean ones will need some major maintenance, and it’s a worse daily driver in pretty much every way. More fun weekend car though. I wish Honda would give us another one….
I ended up getting the GRC cause I want to drive it fast 365 days out of the year. Throw some 18x9.5 wheels and 265 PS4s.
I drove a Civic Si in Michigan winters for years. It’s plenty good enough on winters
The GR Corolla has so much character and it feels so untamed. I love mine!
I’d love to drive a type r. But I think I’d keep my GRC if it came down to it.
another zygrene video i can eat to
I had an FK8 and sold it for a GR Corolla after driving it. I don't run it in bad weather but the all wheel drive is just better all the time. Like others I got sick of the torque steer in the Honda and the boring technically superior things you mentioned for the more fun and engaging (and cheaper) GRC.
I think the Corolla GR is better overall. 1# AWD vs FWD #2 cost is cheaper for the same performance at MSRP. Plus my 23 Corolla GR only has an upgraded intercooler and full custom charge pipes and makes 303whp and 310wtp.
I am about to get a 2025 GRC, almost bought a 2024 but when I found out about all the improvements….I was sold on the 2025! Air flow, suspension, weight, weld points, performance package standard and more! Now they can be bought for below MSRP too! Some dealers still think a Type R and Type S are some sort of exotic and are worth more than MSRP.
Is it me or the GRC is missing lug nut?! (0:44)
IT IS!!!
wtf!
oh lord! it is ! :(
No, I have some cone shaped wheel locks in black color from advanced wheel locks. It’s hard to see but at $3k per wheel Toyota wants for those wheel I don’t want to lose them. 👍🏼
@@trigganometry168 It's VERY hard to see lol. The angle and how small the contact surface of them make it seem like you're looking at the threads lol.
Fenton, I hope you do another revisit with the revised '25 model with higher TQ, suspension, and maybe even the 8 speed.
Thanks for the spot on review. 👍🏼 I really like the traditional hatchback look of the GR Corolla especially in the Circuit trim with the wing. It’s my everyday day beater I feel safe to drive fast all the time in any weather. I plan to get a winter wheel set up (Michelin Alpine 5) for many Tahoe runs while snowboarding and hopefully some snow drifting. I have a more focused weekend sporty car and a large V8 SUV to haul and tow things. I wasn’t looking for a do everything car in this purchase. And I actually like that this car has a Corolla economy interior it’s part of it’s charm. 😂
I agree that the Honda product is better built and, by all accounts offers superior overall handling but in the end none of that matters. Front wheel drive just ruins what could have otherwise been a spectacular offering. I've owned 180 cars including more than two dozen many front wheel drivers. Every one of them had the same limitation... driving the wrong wheels. When it comes to fun, it really has to be rear wheel drive. This is where the Corolla also fails because most AWD cars also have their own limitations, in most cases they tend to understeer at the limit or have so much grip and capability that you really can't deploy it on public streets. So even AWD isn't ideal from a "fun" factor. I say this from experience . I currently own 7 enthusiast cars covering the drivetrain gamut. Mid-engine, RWD (Renault R5 Turbo, Lister Bell Lancia Stratos, Toyota MR2 supercharged) rear engine, RWD (67' VW Beetle 2.0L) and front engine, FWD (Nissan B13 Sentra SE-R). In terms of fun, the Nissan is last. Sure it's fun for FWD, But that's like saying your Diesel powered food blender is "the best". It's still powered by diesel. It's limitations are too great. So for that reason the Honda loses this battle for me every time. Plus, unlike the Honda, the GR Corolla is handmade in the Motomitchu plant in Japan, the same specialty plant that created the Lexus LFA. The employees that build the GR Corolla and GR Yaris are required to have 30,000 hours of past employment with Toyota to even work in this plant. Heck, the carbon roof panel is hand laid and a direct descendant of the Lexus LFA program and cost $15,000 US at your local Toyota parts department. In terms of which car is more rare, special and unique, there is no comparison. The GR Corolla is truly rare in this day and age of production line fodder. And while the Honda product is outstanding, it is much more of a production line car, not the low production, hand built offering of cars like the GR Corolla. The GR Corolla has direct lineage to the World champion winning WRC Toyota GR Yaris. When you drive a GR Corolla with that knowledge it gives it a different feel. Understanding what went into its creation changes it dynamically. But most reviewers of these cars do not even know the backstory. There's really nothing on the market to compare the GR Yaris and or GR Corolla to because no other manufacturer is currently offering a true homologated rally car to the public.
Tldr??
I totally agree the backstory of the GR Corolla is really key to understanding the extraordinary development undertaken to executing this platform. Out of the gazillion of reviewers I probably have come across only two reviewers who did their homework and you could tell they had a different and deep appreciation for the GR Corolla and included the backstory in their review giving a more holistic perspective
@@Wind_slash0 TLDR: gr Corolla’s lineage is what’s important that makes the car special, it’s a “homologated” WRC in 2020s even tho no other manufacturer does it anymore
@@abikepeddler Hyundai does the i20N which is also a WRC car, if GRC is a honologated car then the Elantra N is too. Also you say all that even though the GR four and the G16 isn’t used in the WRC at all, the wrc rule only allows 4wd no C diff with LSD front and rear, the engine and drivetrain is completely different as well. You say research yet you ignore the 20-30 years of Honda type R lineage refined in the beginning by Aryton Senna and its core ideal kept going for 30 years 😂
@@abikepeddler” hand made” in Japan but the quality still worse than the Type R, also it catches fire unlike the Type R lol
Zygrene any chance you’ll get a VB WRX to drive on this road? I’m curious what your thoughts are on that car for canyon driving.
Haven't had the opportunity yet. But I did review one on a different canyon road. Solid driving dynamics but nothing really stood out.
Until Honda puts their SH-AWD in the CTR Type R or I Type S, it will always be compromised. Having to operate around FWD is not fun.
There is a difference between turbo lag and turbo threshold. Bring the GR Corolla into its boost threshold and the response is immediate, lag almost imperceptible
The width of the screen bezel on the Corolla is a $10 Uber ride.
How are you liking the increased height of stage 2 acuity shifter? I’m unsure about the short shift adapter since it makes the shifter a bit taller, and I kind of like the stock height right now..
How much of my desire for a GR Yaris is due to the fact that I can’t ever get one (in the States)😂
It’s more of a dedicated performance car too. Only weighs 2800ish lbs while actually being the “rally” car
just wait 25 years and import one
An ACTUAL homologated WRC car being offered by a major manufacturer to the general public is, well... amazing in it's own right. I want a GR Yaris so much that I have put my money where my mouth is. My wife, who is of Italian decent, is applying for her Italian citizenship so that we can spend more time in Italy... driving a GR Yaris. THAT is how much I want a GR Yaris in my life. I'm willing to move to another country.
So zygrene, it sounds like you don't have a tune on your car? Have you considered it? I have a 23 Civic Si and I have thought about it, not so much for power gains as for improved throttle response / rev hang mitigation
I'm not interested in a tune because I think the factory K20C8 is already tuned well. Broad torque curve, little/no rev hang, and doesn't die off near redline. The Civic Si 1.5T is in desperate need of a tune, or whatever it takes to reduce the rev hang.
GR corolla is a really fun daily with a cheap interior, the Teggy is the true do it all car, with FWD. I'll go for the Teggy every time, I say this while watching the pre-video ads.
While I'm not a fan but the VW Golf R is actually priced less than a GR Corolla and probably has the better after market. HPA Golf R would embarass any of these cars modded or not.
The GR Corolla is not a perfect car by any stretch. Admittedly, that is one of the things that I truly like about it. It would be near perfect if it was mid-engine and had a small V6 without boost.
We GR Corolla owners have room to make adjustments to it so that it suits my driving style - there is a story here.
I used to own an AW11. They're notoriously difficult to drive at speed. You have to learn the balance of that car, but once you do, it is absolute magic.
Toyota creates a car that is 'good' and gives you a canvas to create your own art. I developed my own alignment settings for my AW11 (along with heavy suspension modifications) and I would outpace cars with 3 times the power on canyon drives (I was still on a stock 4AGE).
I have no doubt at all that once I really start digging into my GR Corolla, I will develop a comfort with it (with personalized suspension tuning) that will make it sublime to me and something that others will not want to try to keep up with.
Beyond that, your Integra (as you stated) has more than 4 degrees of negative camber at the front. The GR Corolla cannot do that in stock form. That is an apples to lemons comparison by itself, let alone the tire width difference. Then we get into displacement.... 1.6 VS 2.0 doesn't sound like a lot, but it is, which impacts acceleration out of turns and turbo spool up as well.
I'm not making excuses for the GR Corolla - just detailing that with a smaller displacement engine turbo lag will be more obvious.
Anywho.... If I still had it, I would love for you to drive my former AW11 (2.0L NA swap), and hear your response of that... But, realistically, give me 12 months and I will have my GR Corolla dialed in. I would love to hear your impressions of a custom tuned GR Corolla at that time.
I don’t really see the appeal for the integra. What does it have that your typical sports car doesn’t ? I’d pick a proper rwd mustang or a Camaro any day if I wanted a nice sports car . The GRC is a much more special vehicle there is nothing like it it’s a throwback to the STI from years ago… whether you value that or not that’s a different topic.
I agree the GRC is more special, but to say it’s like a STI means it’s not special. Lmao.
@@MaddNomad1015 how many brand new STI and Evos and focus RS can you buy today? Exactly that’s why it’s special
@@fpsinvader you can still buy a WRX though which was proven to be quicker around a rally course then the GRC. The thing that makes the car special is the fact that it’s built similar to a GTR or cars that have a special factory.
@@MaddNomad1015 the Rex is not quicker in anything it’s worse in pretty much anything vs a grc except maybe practicality. The wrx is no longer the special car that it used to be and it’s def not quicker on the track. I would argue that even the Elantra N is a better car than the regular wrx at this point
@@fpsinvaderLol. I own a GRC it’s not like I’m saying the WRX is better, I’m just saying being AWD isn’t really that special. You’re going on a random tangent.
Damn, blue stitching is a deal breaker! Why not keep it white/grey or red stitching! 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
When you got coils, did it delete the stock adjustable dampening?
Yes
FWD = Torque Steer, wheel hop, fried tires. Another Honda jerk off review. AWD is not just needed in bad weather. GR is cheaper and better and way more fun.
Long term resale? GR?
Hard to say. I would think both cars will have similar % depreciation given their brand reputation.
Thanks for the mudflap recommendation. Just ordered a set!
anyone know what sorta cell phone mount that gr corolla was using? I've never seen that sorta mount before
Nice comparisons Fenton!😊
I think they’re all good cars… but something about paying 46k for a 3 cylinder just doesn’t sit well with me… I would go for the type r and type s over GRC every time.
It's got one less cylinder, but 10X the noise and fun of the larger K20C1.
But 50k for fwd just doesn't sound right..
@@Wind_slash0 it doesn’t, but it sounds better than 46k for a 3 cylinder
@@Wind_slash0 a GRC is AWD, not FWD.
@@ericpromisco2213I was referring to the fwd cars lol
"AWD system is unbeatable".... Is it better than Subaru's symmetrical AWD system in the STI? Just wondering what your thoughts are.
As far as consistency no
Where is this canyon?
I'm about to start looking for a newer car 2017+ pretty sure it'll be my first time, in 13 years of car ownership, owning a car that new. Needs to have 4 doors and not depreciate to much over the course of it's warranty. Ideally manual, rwd, runs on 87, gets good gas milage, and handles well. I know I probably won't find anything that checks all those boxes but it'd be great if I could. Any suggestions?
You're not gonna find something like that that runs on regular.
@@ericpromisco2213 probably right. That's the ideal though, not a necessity.
Hey I think it would be cool compare all the NISMO Z’s. 350z, 370z v1, 370z v2, and maybe new car if made sense for the Z guys
Pretty hard to find Nismos. But I agree it would make for an interesting comparison.
@Zygrene Yup they're rare even alone get all four would be a hard task. Don't think we'll ever see someone compare all back to back. Unless you can do it lol
What's the name of this road? I'm looking to road trip to norcal soon and would love to drive through this place!
Too many modes on GR Corolla. They need to only do Sport or Normal. Keep the Awd system settings
Just the fact that GRC can be bought over 10k cheaper than CTR or ITS and keep up with performance shows how much of bargain GRC truly is.
What's crazy is GR Corolla Circuit Edition (CAD$59,845) is more expensive than Integra Type S (CAD$58,327) in Canada
And you can't even buy a GRC Circuit Edition in the Greater Vancouver region. More chance buying an ITS here
@@jcmazss Having owned both, 2023 GR Corolla Core and traded in for the ITS, I would say the ITS is definitely more enjoyable 75% of the time of the year. GR Corolla is the better winter car, at least in the Greater Toronto Area.
@@yuanniwang oh for sure! ITS is so much better. I had an Evo X which was fun but kind of muted in the city use. I far more enjoy my current GR86 Trueno Edition and my GD3 Fit daily combo
Having driven the FL5, DE5 and own a GRC, im glad i went with the GRC. It's got so much more character than the other two. You can actually hear the turbo spool, blow off valve ect. The CTR twins are too muffled. The fake engine note is god awful and and aftermarket exhaust only improves things slightly. The CTR and Teg definitely have the better transmission and interior minus the missing comfort features omitted from both cars, but neither car made me regret my purchase. I say this as a diehard Honda fan who owns an 8th gen si and a 3rd gen integra. The GRC, despite its faults, always puts a smile on my face. The other 2, while impressive, left me wanting more.
@@ericpromisco2213 opposite for me, GRC is a let down coming from a GR86, seemed like the car was an after thought from Toyota or something, also the fact that the shift knob kept wanting to come off when I drove one didn’t put a good mark on me.
@30hours51 interesting take. I've known a few owners who have traded their GR86s in for the GRC and have loved them. To me, it feels like a proper hot hatch. An econo box with a fizzy engine. Not enough cars like it anymore.
Are you on mines road??
I’m a Toyota die hard fan and love their sports car but the GRC didn’t do it for me. I test drove it and I felt something was missing from the driving experience. I didn’t feel connected to the car and as an overall package didn’t justify the price tag. It’s not sporty enough and not practical enough at the same time.
It is also too techy, always beeping at it's owner (me) and warning me there is, apparently, a small child sitting under my back wheels. It is pretty damn annoying. I don't even mind the simple interior because all I wanted was a pure, analog drivers car.
@@abikepeddleryou know you can shut those off, right?
@@edgardoreyes5953 Yea, that might be true. But having to dig through sub menus to figure out how to turn off proximity warning crap or a rain sensing cappuccino maker is not why I bought this car. The other day it took me more time then it should just to reset the tripometer after a fill up. Granted, I'm a moron. That's a given. But what was wrong with just holding down the trip button for 5 seconds to reset the counter? Why do I have to go into a shit ton of menus to do something so common and simple? Don't even get me started on the bluetooth's total takeover of my phone! This car is so bad at it's complete domination of my phones bluetooth that even following the GR Corolla in ANOTHER CAR it kept disconnecting the bluetooth in the car I was driving and connecting to the GR that was some 100ft in front of me. It was SUPER ANNOYING! I just want to tear all this crap out of the GRC, install roll up windows, flick a lever to rear wheel drive and go hoon. I would have just bought an AE86/BRZ but resale performance is a key consideration in my world so it was GRC or nothing. Few cars will perform as well as the GRC Circuit at time of resale.
AWD > FWD
Made in Japan > Made in Ohio
nah, they are for sure going to make more aftert 2024, there is already a confirmed 8 speed "Direct Automatic Transmission" as reported by car and driver.
It was louder than I expected, and for a Corolla its very stiff - try adjusting the radio with that tiny knob on anything but a perfect surface and you hit the touch screen taking you all over. Its got great grip and you can really throw it at corners, though I'm still not used to the shifting - its just kinda weird. Brakes are great, even on track. If not, its driver error no doubt. You really need to keep the revs up to keep the party going. There's not much tuning overhead and the body is quite noisy compared to the competition. Golf R/S3 a more polished AWD option, especially tuned as the 'Dub makes lots of power with a tune and the new ones have torque vectoring rear. I had a tuned S3 which was a weapon, but the Corolla wins with a manual transmission. Honda are the most precise machines to drive, the Corolla the most fun to thrash around, and the VW/Audi (tuned) are stoplight drags champs and easy 11 sec. quarter mile. I just can't do FWD anymore - just can't put down the power when tuned though I really like the interior of the Acura. - PS, you need to consider tuning of springs/shocks and especially swaybars - shouldn't need that much camber.
Yes, it is crazy how annoying the GRC. I put the knob from the RAV4 and it totally changed the ease of use.
What’s that shifter link?
Shifter boot collar that comes with the Acuity stage 2 shifter
Why kept mentioning the CTR. You testing the Integra
It’s almost identical to drive. The CTR is the more appropriate comparison for sure but that isn’t the car he owns. Additionally, I thought the “boy racer” appearance of the CTR was a little lame, I was deciding between the GR and a DE5 myself.
Awd drive was the reason I am considering from g87 m2 to this or a WRX tr
I own a 24 GRC and a 21 FK8. In terms of fun factor, it goes to the GRC. The steering rack is actually faster and the GRC has a true Motorsport and hot hatch feel. FK8 is good at high speeds and way more comfortable
The interior is a huge miss on the GR, it might as well be an LE Corolla. The cheap tacked on screen and hideous look of the shifter. Seeing them side by side, the Type S almost. Looks like twice the car.
Armrest as an aftermarket part is ridiculous
Miss on the interior but it’s no different to buying a STi or Evo back in the day. You’re paying for the drivetrain.
The performance justifies the price without the interior. If it cost more then I would be wanting a better interior
@@yaboiyosef7640 the performance definitely does not justify the price lmfao.
Real world people are paying 50-60 for these Corolla's. What performance? These cars are not actually track capable. They're the slowest and least performant out of its competitors while having the worst interior.
Yeah Toyota really should have taken a page out of the type r and done more to make the interior feel special. Even if it’s something simple like using a different color fabric for the floormat
I have the grc and had a 22 type r. Grc 3 cylinder is just a bummer of a motor. Uber thrashy and full of vibration. No response down low, no real power up top, just always strained. The car as a whole is somehow a great daily thou. The type r was more numb. Motor pulled but was also low on character. Awd grc wins as the fwd type r would almost always spin a tire.
@@Tony_miata type r is 100% way more responsive than the GRC
Think Honda S2000. The GRC is a high strung engine and needs to be understood as such. Drive it like you stole it, high revs and it rewards you appropriately. If you’re in the right gear it will never feel strained. I’m actually super impressed by the GRC considering I was coming from a performance V8 engine. I thought the 3 cylinder would lack the pull but it proved me wrong.
@@kengit2 coming from a gr86, GR corolla did not sell me and toyota could've just gave us the Yaris. Fk8 Type R is more crazy and fun in a lot of ways
The Acura type S is trash for the asking prices…. But civic type R base trim is all we need
I picked up my Type S for $48k (10k miles) and FL5s are not much better value. It was worth the few extra grand to me for a better looking car, more comfort and a few more luxury features. I agree that the markups were a joke when they came out
4.2 degrees of negative camber on your daily driver is WILD!
Thankfully I don't commute much and do about 10 track days a year, so my tires actually wear more evenly with this much camber.
that's nuts and diminishes acceleration and braking... clearly needs more springs/swaybar and shock tuning!
i'm pretty sure the CTR isn't available anywhere at msrp, how laggy is the turbo in the Corolla? is there anything at 2500-3500?
I've heard of folks getting them at MSRP in the last 6 months or so. Quite a bit of lag. Wakes up around 3-3.5k
I've been offered at msrp in TX. It can be found.
just because you haven't searched doesn't mean it's impossible to get MSRP
@@mmminty dealership?
Its extremely laggy. I had an Focus ST - 0 turbo lag. Elantra N - a little bit. GR Corolla - good luck feeling like you even own a performance car when under 4k RPM. & I now have an ITS which makes power >3k RPM.
This is not a good comparison. Should be pitting the Hyundai Elantra N vs Acura Integra Type S. Hatchback vs Sedan?
The Integra is a hatchback.
@@Zygrene I get it but only the informed would believe the Type S is a hatch back. Just like the Tesla Model S is also a hatchback but nobody would agree it is. It's the form factor overall that makes it more like a grand coupe. The Elantra N is also FWD. You should run the WRX comparo vs GR Corolla or better yet, bring back the Focus RS.
@@Vision33r How will anyone not believe the Type S is a hatchback? It's being marketed and sold as a hatchback? You can have your own definition of what a hatchback is but the Type S is a hatchback, " car body configuration with a rear door that swings upward to provide access to the main interior of the car as a cargo area rather than just to a separated trunk". So tell me how it isn't?
@@shinn43it’s more of a liftback. Plus the shape of the CTR and Teg scream sedan. It’s all about proportions and the CTR and ITR in no way look like a hot hatch especially when compared to real ones like GRC and Golf R
@@illtech4534 a liftback IS a variation of a hatchback
dude fails to mention the main point of the comparison. Corolla is about 16k cheaper.
Crazy i wanted a GR ended up getting a Veloster N. And somehow i dont feel i want the GR anymore. I think you should drive a Veloster N w Performance Pack on the backroads.
I reviewed a Veloster N a few years back in a comparison against FK8 Type R. Would be fun to revisit.
@@Zygreneyou need a modified Elantra N review too!
Will rori from Patty boi is starting out part out his track build Elantra N. It was reviewed by the Topher. Would have loved to see you review that car.
Would really really love to see you review a tuned mild track build Elantra N. If you're ever in Toronto I'd love to let you take my car out.
suddenly, the comparison is with the EN when it's twisty and wet. Fan boy comparison, or need to justify paying too much.
I bought the premium for 43,000
Both bad ass vehicles .. In my opinion the gr capabilities is what makes it more special
1.6l 3 cylinder turbo is a tickling time bomb. Type S has a much better engine.
I CAN'T wait for the automatic GR corolla for good daily drive in LA traffic
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I’m on a road trip in LA. No issues with the manual. Automatic should be a blast too!
Driving my manual GR Corolla in LA traffic daily and I’m still exhilarated after the drive. This is even after coming from a performance Lexus automatic. There is an art to it when you develop the skill. Nothing can replace that driver and car connection when driving a manual
I wonder how much better it will be with the automatic trans, suspension upgrades, the improved cooling, and torque upgrades on the 2025 GRC. I'm looking to buy one once they come out.
One of the big reasons why I'm getting the 2025 model is because it will come with an automatic trans. I also much prefer AWD cars after having a gtr for almost 6 years.
Grc all day long.. type s more luxury car 🚙 and no bucket seats 😢
how do these two compare to the mustang ecoboost?
Depends where you live honestly as the Mustang is RWD. You can get a Mustang with an automatic too though the GR Corolla and Integra are manual. You'd be able to get the Mustang for a lot cheaper than these cars, though you also throw away a lot of back-seat space and convenience with two doors. Long term reliability is going to be overall better with the Japanese cars. Making the tail go loose anytime I wanted and the interior lighting was the best part of owning a Mustang for me.
Agility is another sacrifice with the EB mustang.
Totally different so I can't imagine cross shopping these. I was quite surprised how much I liked the Mustang and found its engine to be very nice, but you can throw the GR at corners in a way you never can with the Mustang.
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I mean if you bought a GR corrolla you would still have a fwd experience (overheating clutch packs) lol.
it's a fwd 99% of the time anyways, since the c diff isn't engaged all the time, it's just a more advanced haldex like system
You only overheat the clutch packs if you’re actively tracking, street use is fine. Stop regurgitating incomplete info
@@30hours51 Nope, supposedly always engaged... its a less advanced Haldex system. Haldex doesn't overheat. I got about 15min on track before the GR overheated and its no bueno FWD only.
@@spinnetti its a haldex system with a smart C Diff that has slip due to rear over drive, its always engaged but a minimal amount, only adding power to the rear when necessary, this type of system will generate a lot of heat, however the main issue from what I am seeing is sensor issue instead of the diff quality issue
@@chrisg5101 it’s fwd biased and there’s no physical way that the C diff is able to maintain a static 60/40 or 30/70 or 50/50 split at all times, it’s a 95/5 split in 99% of the highway cruising situations the split controller only tells the C diff how much torque is allowed in the back.
50k buys you a used GR Supra
that is 2x the car and no FWD transverse mounted wheel hop shenanigans and understeer
But no rear doors or seats
Less than half the seats too
True, but the Supra is not tied to Toyota's homologated WRC program the way the GR Corolla and GR Yaris are. There are a ton of $50,000 used cars that carry more status and are faster then a GR Corolla... heck, you could buy a clean Bentley Continental GT... but very few of them are as special as the GR Corolla.
I'm currently not in the market for used BMWs.
@@abikepeddler the problem with that approach is that cost ownership isn’t at their used price rate.
For example a M4 F82 costs around 50k used. The 12v battery for that vehicle costs around 3x more than the one used by the cars reviewed in this video.
Dude get on a private road and stay off the public roads
Huh, no fire?
I'd rather take the corolla over that big ugly bloated ILX type s wannabe integra
GRolla Premium is a better value compared to Circuit. Hondacura needs to give up the FWD performance car 🐄💩. GRolla only has the heavy AWD drive setup going for it, but it's slowed down being a 3 banger. GRolla manual and that lame IMT button is nothing as good as anything made by Honda in any decade. Manual noobs are left standing still by just about every auto anyway🙄
Both cars are great but gr known for engine fire when pushed hard and dryshaft breaks the Acura has its own engine internal issues
I’ve done 27 track days in my GRC. In 60 degree weather and 100 degrees.
I also drove through the Mojave desert in 115 temp going 134mph. No issue!
its not "known for engine fire" from a couple anecdotal youtube videos and no idea where you get driveshaft issues.
2 GRs have caught fire... that's not widespread.
…. and to put it in perspective that represents less than 0.0001% of GR Corollas sold not even taking into account the GR Yaris sold worldwide which has been in production a lot longer. The 2 that caught fire one was heavily rear ended the second one was a salvage title before it caught fire so stop with the fear mongering
Both cars are a waist. One is a 3 cylinder. The other is front wheel drive. Extremely overpriced. Almost every car has 300 hp these days. Worthless
…. and here you are. “Almost every car has 300hp” you still have time to re-edit and save some face
@kengit2 let me guess you own one of these pieces of japanese trash
i work for toyota HQ and got a GRC core fully loaded at $35k (employee price) and i love it. $45k for a circuit seems pricy.
oh well. to each his own.
Well, I don’t work for Toyota so this $45k beater/daily seems inexpensive.
Oh well to each his own.
I love the interior in the gr Corolla, even in the core. Very driver focused
I agree. I have owned FL5 and GRC. I understand why many people say the GRC is cheaper, but in my experience, the GRC interior worked just as good and had more features. Heated steering wheel, heated seats, heated windshield, parking sensors, homelink and fog lights. This was on the $42k Premium.
Even the seats worked in the GRC better. Not as aggressive bolsters and seating position is higher.
For the street, I enjoyed the GRC. Just more fun.
So many post about the interior of the gr being crap for $40k well for an additional $10k you could get an even prettier crap interior with the Integra🤷🏻♂️🫵🏼🤣