Rorschach: Psychology’s Most Controversial Test
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- For decades, people have used the Rorschach Test to diagnose mental illnesses and determine personality traits, which hasn't always been the best idea. But modern studies suggest that this test actually can tell us some things about the way people see the world.
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The Rorschach test got me into psychology as a kid. It made me first realize that people see the world differently.
"Imagine people complexly"
Rorschach is one of my favorite superheros, I just don't understand why his mask has a picture of my parents fighting on it.
Was that "Two-Bears Hi-Fiving?" I didn't expect to see a Fallout New Vegas reference in this show, but I'll take it.
I haven't played any Fallout games nor have I done an ink blot test, but I also saw it as two bears high-fiving. Makes me wonder what % of viewers saw that too?
@@jacksonpercy8044 As part of character creation in F:NV, the player character takes a Rorschach test. One of the ink blots is the first one presented in this video, and infuriatingly there is no option within the game to say "Two bears high-fiving" which is clearly the only acceptable answer. The community kind of made this into a meme that the developer Obsidian caught on to, as in a downloadable content there exists an easter egg tribal character named Two-Bears-High-Fiving
I always seen it as two monks lol
From my results I believe you may be a synth
I also saw two bears 😂 and two sea horses.
So, if I’m understanding this correctly, we’ve missed out on nearly a century of progress in this area because a bunch of people didn’t RTFM?
Well most likely
The people that didn't rtfm likely weren't absolute scientific units probably more users rather than developers when it comes to psychological development
TLDR
This is an issue with virtually every kind of science/philosophy/religion etc. Humans are woefully bad at transmitting information.
An common; what's the worse that can happen?
one time at my psychiatrist we had 30 min to spare, so i asked about that ink test thing, and she said "well its scientifically not valid, but sure we can do it for fun :D"
she was a nice lady ^^
My friend told me about a practical joke she played on friend where she told them about this to “test them” but then showed them only art by Georgia O’Keeffe 😆
Thanks for making this Psychologist laugh so hard 🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂
That reminds me of that scene in an episode of Animaniacs. Dr. Scratchansniff was showing Yakko some inkblots, and Yakko answered "Girls" to every single one. When the doctor asked why, Yakko shot back with "Hey, you're the one who's showing me all the sexy pictures!"
I remember learning in one of my psych classes (individual differences) talked about these tests (Rorschach tests and drawing tests) not as diagnostic, but as conversation starters in therapy. If a person sees ink blots and expresses disgust because they look like vaginas, it doesn't necessarily mean they have a disorder, but it could start a conversation around their aversion, which could lead to the real issue.
Here in the Philippines, Rorschach is commonly used in the clinical setting esp the diagnosis of Schizo. One of my profs said that the projective nature of the inkblot prompts the test taker in tapping into his/her unconscious.
I had a Rorschach test as a part of my diagnostic process and it mostly just confirmed that I'm not schizophrenic, but that there were some underlying issues related to other mental illnesses.
So it's still useful in some cases if done by a professional.
@@sentientfetus3894 I doubt it. With something as trivial as ink blots, it would be very hard to judge why someone sees something and what type of memory they are basing this on.
0:57 He was certainly one handsome dude.
Lol I was thinking the same thing.
@@lilium9361 Me too!😄
@@pixelised Good to know I'm not the only one lusting after a 136 year old man lol
@@lilium9361 He was definitely younger than that when the picture was taken…😉
Looks a bit like Sam Rockwell, haha
"What does this look like to you?"
"An ink blot."
"You can't say an ink blot."
"Some falling leaves caught in a special moment."
"What does this ink blot look like to you"
"A brain tumor"
"And this one?"
"A slightly bigger brain tumor"
XD
you just made my day
One of the psychiatrists I know who works in the hospital uses them as a conversation starter with patients.
shrink: what do you see here?
me: [REDACTED]
shrink: GET OUT OF HERE YOU MONSTER!
Nice mini script!
I liked this story.
@@tigergallant fun fact it's not a story.
it's all part of the test. :3
They started with 2 bears high fiving. That's how you know it's a good episode (All there's a Fallout New Vegas meme around this).
Two clowns playing patty cake.
I had an assessment once where they asked me to finish open-ended sentences. I couldn't do it. I kept thinking, "if I put this, the psychologist will think I have self esteem problems, if I put this the psychologist will think I have resentment toward my parents, if I put this..." In the end I just said the blandest things I could think of.
the reason for that one (at least in adhd testing) is to see if you plan your sentences ahead of time
When I was in the psych ward in the late nineties I was given that big edition of the Rorschach test as part of an 11 part test battery.
I got them to send me the results after, and the Rorschach part said something to this effect:
Patient has more answers than average. Scores significantly, but not conclusively high on the schizophrenia index.
Loses concentration, possibly because of hallucinations.
And it said that the psychologist had been tasked with finding out if I was borderline or schizotypal, which I always found strange, because then you close the interviewer off from searching for other dx.
Years later it turned out my main problem is actually ADD.
Anyways, the test was actually fun to take, even if it was long, I enjoyed it.
This was a very interesting video to watch!
"I'm not trapped in here with you. You're trapped in here with me!!!"
Rorschach's Journal. October 12th, 1985. Dog carcass in alley this morning. Tire tread on burst stomach. This city's afraid of me. I've seen its true face.
0:59 Rorschach serving some 20th century realness!
3:03 - Water buffalo carrying a doll in its mouth.
That's a good observation! 😀
This is my first time seeing Brit Garner host Sci Show. She's good, very engaging!
I was given the Rorschach test by a psychologist who DCFS hired when I was 16, she said the results were "inconclusive" and that I was manipulating the test. Turns out I have cptsd and mania with psychosis, so I think maybe the test could be useful as long as the doctor giving it doesn't have presumptions or a bias before giving it :/
Between things like this, Freud, and Myers-Briggs, psychology has a lot baggage when it comes to pseudoscience.
Oh yes. Probably says more about Rorschach than anything else.
Also Neuro linguistic programming 🙄
Luckily, most of these things aren't really taught or regarded as proper psychology. Freud, if anything, is more prevalent in philosophy these days and Myers-Briggs was shat on by every single one of my psychology professors. I didn't even know some people took Rorschach seriously until this video.
I don't really think it's fair to say psychology has a lot of baggage when it comes to pseudoscience, when most of said baggage is very dated and not prevalent in psychology anymore.
Still there's an importance to understand the psychologies founders and what ideas they stood for
@@lucidity4717 thumbs up
I love how Brit pronounces Psycho in Psychodiagnostik
Hank doesnt even try. when it comes to Robert Koch for example :D
I’m actually....at 5:13, so you are supposed to have the client hold the card themselves. Holding it for the person assumes the orientation of the plate, but if they see something in it “upside down” you miss it. Also they should be sitting side by side. It may be that they are in the inquiry phase in this shot or maybe there is a different protocol for children that I haven’t used. If anyone knows anything more about this clip let me know.
0:57 He looks oddly modern for a person from 1921.
I remember taking this test when I was a kid...they looked like ink blotches back then, and look like ink blotches today.
I think another thing to consider is which time are you living. I just tried to interpret ink blots and some of them look like weird guitars or maybe alien flying saucer; things/ideas that didn't exist back then.
Rorschach - "Never compromise, even in the face of Armageddon."
Duh!
I love the new hair! Gorgeous either way. Keep rocking it 💛
I would have wanted to know what each of the 13 variables were exactly
Ah, curiosity... Are you owned by one or more cats? I was, and if you are - then I think their curiosity is contagious.
@@LindaGailLamb.0808 No, I have a degree in computer science. My studies have trained me to think analytically and curiously. I do like cats though :)
For me those were:
1. Two rotisserie chickens
2. A moth
3. An orchid
What did you see?
1. Lungs, 2. Bat-Moth, 3. Ribcage :)
Side note: Elegant blouse.
0:05 What do you mean "what do you think this is?" It's formerly a Rorschach image that was used in Fallout New Vegas, and is now formally known as "Two Bears High-Fiving". There's a character in the game with the same name.
First Card:
Two people (or primates) dancing and clapping hands. Heart on the bottom , two whispering lips at the top.
Second Card:
A bat-like creature. Feels... alien. Like a cross between a bird and a bat you'd find on some far off world.
Third Card::
Two worms below the Eiffel Tower, two beetles holding sticks of cotton candy, four yellow birds, and two lizards.
“Two bears high-fiveing”
Thanks! I’ll point my weary friends to this vid to help them understand my deep distrust in this so called science. This is only a small part of what keeps psychology on the same plane with religion/spirituality.
As she said I think the Rorschach and similar test have value when used appropriately. There never was an intent to diagnose personality disorders this way. The ink blots are called a projective test meaning you associate the inkblots with what is in your mind. If someone had just lost their mom for example and I pull out a pic of a pregnant woman or someone carrying a baby that is likely going to lead into someone talking about their mom. --This sort of relates to a similar projective test called the thematic apperception test (TAT) where the patient looks at a picture and are asked to tell a story
I remember my abnormal psychology professor talking about a time he gave this test to his patient. He let us know that despite the limits of what the test can reveal, sometimes it speaks volumes. His patient was a police officer. While hastily speeding through this test, he responded repeatedly "Dead squashed bug...Dead squashed bug...Dead squashed bug..." Of course, maybe his patient was just unimpressed with it as a diagnostic tool.
To be fair, some of them do look like bugs on a windshield 😁. I should know - when I was small, my family used to drive through Saskatchewan to visit relatives in Manitoba. Lots of bugs to smash on the way across the prairies at highway speeds.
So to generalize... Expanding the use of something beyond its intended purpose, sometimes is a good thing, sometimes a bad thing. But to make claims one must apply (what we now have as) scientific methods of testing. We still have products on the market with disclaimers because they have not pasted these testing measures. But that's better than false claims and messed up diagnoses, etc.
In our management class, we were taught in using this for hiring people.
Male Student: [the card has three wavy lines] It's, a couple of wavy lines.
Dr. Peter Venkman: [Suddenly puts card down] Sorry, this isn't your lucky day.
Male Student: Yeah, I...
[Peter's hand slowly reaches for the zapping trigger]
Male Student: I uh, uh, I uh, I uh.
[Zap]
Male Student: [Annoyed] I'm getting a little tired of this.
Dr. Peter Venkman: You volunteered, didn't you? We're paying you, are we?
Male Student: Yeah, but I didn't know you we're gonna be giving me electric shocks. What are trying to prove here, anyway.
Dr. Peter Venkman: I'm studying the effect on negative reinforcement on ESP ability.
Male Student: [Aggravated] Effect? I'll tell you the effect is, it's pissing me off!
And I thought all the time this was just a weird scene in the movie "Watchmen".
The first one: Two pandas high-fiving.
A yard gnome kneeling and pressing a hand on the mirror.
it's always two bears high-fiving.
@@windhelmguard5295 Ah I see that you are a man of colture aswell.
I see a face screaming in pain, am I fucked?
I see two star nosed moles and two naked mole rats. Honestly I see animals in pretty much all of them.
1. Two really cute little fairy tail animals high diving each other.
2. That is a bat… or more likely a moth.
3. Underwater- pink sea horses and blue crabs and other aquatic animals.
3:34 Anyone familiar with New Vegas? Classic.
"Tell me what you see here." [pulls up her first card]
"It's like this dude and he's auditioning his finger puppets."
"Yeah, he's shining his helmet."
"And what do you see here?" [pulls up a different card]
"Woah! He's corralling the tadpoles!"
"Yeah, he's really peeling some chilies!"
"I see, and how about this one?" [shows them the third card]
"Woah! Leave a little for next time, dude!"
"Yeah, he's really having a tug of war with cyclops!"
"What about this picture?" [shows them a picture of a man singing into a microphone]
"It's just a bunch of weird shapes."
Combat King 0 what this off?
@@PaperWasp100 Beavis & Butthead, from the episode "They're coming to take me away, huh huh"
Psychologist:
"What do you see?"
Me:
"It looks like ink folded onto paper"
Psychologist:
"Well, no, do you see a butterfly a dog, a cloud?"
Me:
"NO. I see a piece of paper with ink thats been folded"
Psychologist:
"I believe you have some serious issues"
Me:
"Hey, I'm not the one who thinks ink folded onto paper is a butterfly or cloud"
Psychologist:
*Lays on the couch*
I feel like this happens a lot in psychology. People want to turn tools for pathology into tools for personality. I wonder the meta psychology of that!
Imo we should stick to astrology and spirituality for personality, and keep psych strictly medical and scientific. For the sake of society at large and mentally ill people alike.
But personality studies can also be scientific?
Er... I rather not let people use my zodiac sign to try to determine my personality...
Ikajo other people shouldnt be deciding your personality at all......
Echo der Heijden I mean in theory but categorizing personality traits, nonetheless studying and predicting them scientifically, is a crapshoot at best
@@gardenandcalico No but they would certainly try. I'm a writer so for me it is natural to create personalities for my characters. Sometimes readers will assume that you, the author, is the same as the characters you created. It's insane...
It makes me think of diviners reading bones, entrails, and tea...
Interesting. I've never seen them used in Australia
5:19 jack-o'-lantern with bat wings?
I got "lungs", a "bat-moth", and "ribcage".
To me, the first one looked like two Santas giving a high five. Am I alone with that?
I’ve had this given to me twice, second time because my newest therapist decided the previous time I’d taken it (given by my previous therapist less than 6 months ago) hadn’t been accurate. She actually argued with me about what I saw. 🙄 Take this test with a full salt shaker, not just a grain.
Rorschach: hey i made this test to diagnose schizophrenia!
People after a century: after many studies we figured out that actually rorschach test can be used to diagnose schizophrenia!
That's what happens when you skip reading the manual.
I was tested with them many years ago and was astonished to find some are in color! (Mostly looked like bugs to me.)
imma be real, most rorschach's i've seen either look like moths/butterflies or diagrams of alien uteri
First one's Klingon sex, easy. This guy was wizard level ahead of his time
Whoa. When was the last time a pioneer of psychology was *more* rigorous than the people who adopted their work?
The picture of the actual Rorschach guy makes me think of Tyler Durden for some reason.
3:35 - Fancy pastel bat dive-bombing.
Two people touching palms, a bat and a pair of pliers. Give it to me straight doc
Klecksographie actually sounds like it'd be a fun little party game.
The FAA uses it on Air Traffic Control hiring process at the Tier 2 level.
Thank you for that information Haley.
1. Two gnomes high fiving.
2. Batman, duh.
3. Seahorses going to see the Eiffel Tower as fish swim around.
4. Two goths dancing with the devil in the pale moonlight 0:20
5. Alanis Morrisette's Jagged LIttle Pill's album cover. 0:38
6. Fireworks 1:10
7. That's definitely a butterfly 1:13
8. The hungering void that awaits us all after death, the emptiness of the universe devouring our very souls 1:31
9. A Triffid, a plant that blinds and then devours humans. See, the people are walking right to it! 1:57
10: Aw come on...sigh. Left to right... 2:43
10a. A dragonwinged sword.
10b. An X-Ray of an alien as it shakes its fist at us
10c. The bottom one obscured by dudes.
10d. World of Warcraft's "The Eye" from Burning Crusade that Malygos made. I drop group.
10e. A two headed goth stork snatching two goth fish
11: A steer 3:04
12. A pattern of a corset drawn in color by Bernadette Banner 3:34
13. Clouds after the impending nuclear war 3:52
14. The queen hive mind looking into my soul 4:22
15. Alanis Morrisette's Jagged LIttle Pill's album cover. 4:57 (Repeat)
16. A wolf about to eat those poor people, RUN! 5:13
Alright! How did I score? ... Why are those nice men in white coats bringing me a white coat?
In Argentina it's used for everything, from diagnosting depression to curing cancer. Banana republic.
I took the Rorschach Test and the psychiatrist to me I was a sex addict. I said, "What are you taking about? You''re the one showing me all the dirty pictures!"
The first inkblots in the video, I saw: a) A bat, b) A bat, c) Several bats.
I am the bat man.
Batman is one word
Yes, what you see depends on how your mind works. But there is no universal guide map on what what means, since people are so different in many ways.
Which means this can't be scientifically studied properly, and the results cant be predicted. Making it useless as a professional tool.
It boggles the mind that so many educated in the field don't get this.
intelligence testing has a familiar history....
So wait, did the 2013 study review meta-analyses, or was it a meta-analysis? The way it's worded now sounds like it's a meta-analysis of meta-analyses, which is totally fine in itself. I was just wondering if that was what they intended to say.
0:06 Anyone else see a Pegasus from the front?
I've looked at clouds/ink blots from both sides now.
Okay, I don't know how this video is going to stay monetized with all those drawings they were showing of my parents having sex. I mean, c'mon SciShow, I thought this was supposed to be SFW.
I saw 2 bears high-fiving, a moth and a complete mess.
Fist one is clearly two ninjas hi fiving! Second one is the same two ninjas but they jumped really fast towards each other to do a perfect simultaneously hi and low five ! And the last one is them again but they have ascended and perfectly preformed the final simultaneous hi face and low five!!!!!!!!
What is it with the USA taking various tests, and mangling their intended use? Rorsharch, BMI, IQ tests all had different original uses, and got messed up massively when they hit the USA. O.o
Process or lack there of is important.
0:58 was not expecting him to look like Brad Pitt…
my answer is always 'skulls' cos it always kinda looks like those paintings......of cattle skulls
In these pictures I'm always looking for the places where they are not quite symmetrical and I'm trying to find out on which side of the picture the blobs were originally ... what type of diagnosis does this earn me?
Where did you get all those pictures of my mother and why does she look so angry in all of them?
The real test might be how the examiner interprets the patient's interpretation.
;-) = (winking happy face)
My trend with inkblots is flying creatures and things.
My AP Psychology teacher had us all do these tests. I tested as being 80% likely to have a severe mental illness (which... I was already being treated for by a psychiatrist). She was walking through, looking at all our computers, and when she stopped by mine, she said something like “WOW!!! You must be REALLY messed up!!!” That hurt. Really badly
"Tell me what do you see"
"Mushy"
"Ach so!"
I was diagnosed with bipolarity type 2 with this test. Is it part of the 13 solid disorders?
hmm tbh it might tell something about the personality, but in my opinion no science should be based on that, since the results depend almost entirely on the persons mood, present problems, social life, etc etc
4:17 so this study is a meta-meta-analysis?
It almost seems like the Rorschach test is a good Rorschach test for how people approach new discoveries or techniques.
Two bears high fiving!
"And this looks like you, with breasts" - Rockhound, Armageddon
The Rorschach Test when used as part of an interview technique can be very useful.
I know I took an online Rorschach test years ago that was multiple choice and I had answers that didn't appear. I'm not sure thinking differently means immediately that someone is mentally ill. What really is normal to begin with?
Psychology really is one of the hardest sciences to interpret
I feel like the folks at Jackbox could bring that Klecksographie game back.
Your hair looks pretty. I like that color. 💥
Oh yeah, and he was *great* in `The Watchmen', except I didn't like how his mask was a picture of my parents fighting.
Love your hair!