you know what would be a good series to do. is pick one character a week, play that character for a week and then make a video explaining why that character is strong, weak, if they need buffs, nerfs, rework and so on. Love listening to your opinions
Or because the enemies are aggressive gankers and ya got good perks. Requires enemy stupidity to at least some degree but God it feels good to beat the shit out of people who just pile on because it's "just a lawbringer"
I just had a warden wait till I attacked then side dodge shoulder bash into a side light. He did this until I died and then emote spammed on me telling me I’m trash
They did the overwatch balancing act. Reinhardt: huge cutting edge metal robot armor 500hp Roadhog: is fat 600hp At this point I’m surprised they haven’t made him retroactively gay.
@@kevincandelario2573 Wasn't talking to you, if I had been, I would have replied to you instead of posting as a regular reply. However, it appears they have fixed it now.
For me, Lawbringer has always been the outlier in the whole cast. Back when I had first got the game on PS4 the first hero I recruited was Lawbringer. Now, I was 11 or 12 at the time so maybe him being the biggest knight stood out, but when I played him in story mode and felt the power he had, I was just taken by him. And of course, this was back when the U.I wasn't updated, and back when Cent and "Ninja" were the new characters. I never went online with Lawbringer, because I never felt like I had the skill to fight. Until, of course, about 2 years later when I turned 14 and lawbringer had already got his rework I went online and saw how absolutely awful he was to play. And how easy he was fight. For nostalgia's sake I stayed to him, learned the way of the longarm and how to properly parry attacks. He went on to be the first character that I'd rep up on ps4 (And computer). I never truly got good at his move set for the time I was on ps4, and nor at the time did I think he was my main, I thought Warden was, either way I just kept to him. Now, I have moved from the PS4 to the computer. I still main Lawbringer, mostly for that same sense. A big fella that was just imposing compared to the rest. Uh conclusion: Its probably a curse
Theres something so satisfying to lawbringer. Its the only hero in the game i can play for the whole day without being bored of him. I think every other character i use i cant stand for more than 5-6 matches because theres those two or three heroes that directly counter them and i being the lucky bastard i am always match with those (i also almost exxlusively play 1v1). With lawbringer no one fucks him up more than himself, maybe assasins do a bit more but nothing too crazy
I baiscally started the same except i went on a epic quest to become the best Lawbringer, and basically grinded the fuck outa him up until his rework, and with 14 year old me's sense of honor i decided to not shove on block asI felt it was cheese The only reason i fell off now is that CCU made it so hard to parry that even on read I can barely click the button fast enough to parry lights
@@chubbysolaireeaterofpussy3192 warden main here i played at around the age of 9 so im younger than both of you, but getting back to the point warden stood out to me and i have him as a rep 29-28 but no matter how good i got before wardens overpowered rework i felt underpowered and leaned towards lawbro but i was horrible with him but i endured the pain, hes now rep 7 but I feel burned out using him so i stick to warden or other hero projects like my conq which isn't a rep yet but i will get there and i know the rework will make conq a lesser turtle and lean more towards the offense than stalling.
I've been on since 15 back in the end of year 1. Honestly the main lb rework was initially very op. Hyper armor on a bash out of side dodge that could let you parry dodge attacks. Shit used to be nasty tbh. Got nerfed for a reason, but the game has evolved away from defensive meta, so lb could definitely use some updates to his kit to bring more in line with the rest of the cast, jorm and Nux need it way more though so I'll keep on enjoying what we got while we got it. But I won't lie that part of what I loved about lb is how many uses you can find for what little he has, so seeing how else I can abuse whatever he gets is somewhat exiting. Just hope they don't make his gameplay loop overly linear.
They listen to nothing. Nobody wants new heros at this point. We want all of them to be viable on a level playing field. How does ubi approach this? Add more shit to balance.
I think one of Lawb's main issues is that his entire kit is based around not having an opener but having really good chain pressure but as we've seen with Pirate girl, not having a real neutral opener doesn't mean anything to Ubi
As a lawbringer main I can agree with this sad introduction, but when a lawbringer can “parry the world” it brings me true joy. Tho Unironically I enjoy playing him, prob cuz I ALMOST NEVER do 4 v 4 modes
Lawbringer really is a relic of a simpler time. His kit is complete and utter doodoo water with the current meta in mind. Really, I feel like it'll be impossible to give him a truly viable kit against it and keep him original.
Haven't played in years but Lawbringer was all I played, seeing a massive metal monster with my favorite medieval weapon was just super cool to me, loved playing him
Lawbringer was my first love in for honor and I will always come back to him and it hurts me to see that he is just rly underwhelming in comparison to other heroes. 😢
I think that the next heroes that should get a rework/tweaks would be Shaolin, Highlander, and Lawbringer. Shaolin just needs some Chi stance flow tweaks, but HL and LB need a rework or something.
I feel like you touched on a lot of what lawbringer needs and I have gotten him to rep 32 he is my highest rep and I love him but playing him has become more like a chore then anything else. I can't defend myself like crazy when it comes to getting ganked, whenever I get revenge the just roll away, and the bash while hitting sometimes just feels useless at times.
As a lawbringer main this is a great and accurate documentary in to the life of a lawbringer main well done. may the law be with you in your endless crusade against chaos.✊🏾
I have been on and off with for honor throught out the years but I started with warden in the beta. The first moment I saw the art and video for Lawbringer I knew he was my hero. He will always be my favorite with Cent a close second.
I played lawbro since beta. His parry punishes are what keeps me going, plus when I drop the game for like 5 months and come back he's the character that forces me to get used to parries again. I do love going from overhead heavy feint into pole arm. It scrambles so many peoples brains in 1v1s. Not practical at all, but funny.
Its amazing how much more fun this game becomes when you stop fighting real people and just stick to bot matches. Im under no illusions that I’m good at the game. But at least I’m enjoying myself again.
You know what shocks me about bot matches? The players fashion is always S tier and the bots sometimes are objectively better than actual players. Seriously, the fucking parries and chains those Level 3 bots can do is fucking terrifying sometimes. They legit gank better than actual real people.
both halberds and poleaxes have an axe blade and spear tip, ts just a pole axe has a hammer on the other side of the axe, while a halberd has another smaller spike or blade.
The thing he needs the most desperately is a chase down move. He's my favorite character, and I have no trouble winning fights - the problem is just that 50% of the time, they end with the other guy legging it, and me being unable to do anything about it :(
For me, Lawbringer is someone who I could get a hang of his move-set easily and start playing him right away by using his entire kit and not feeling like I'll need to be mindful of my 20 other special moves, traits or attacks. The most defining characteristic trait that Lawbringer has in my opinion is how simple he is. I have a lot of difficulties learning any other hero in the game, even the basic ones like Warden, but my rep12 Lawbringer is one thing that I pull off almost always consistently (unless my enemy is an Orochi), hence, I hope he is kept that way, even if they do decide to give him a rework. Too many special rules or combat tricks tend to overwhelm me in the heat of moment and discourage me from learning them in the future.
Reason i still play my Profile Picture, is Fashion and the chained damage, especially the neat GB/Shove after unblock mixup. (Last Gen Console view for reference cuz parries are hard)
After a year away from From Honor, I was glad to be back to main-ing Lawbringer. First match back, 1v3 the enemy team while my team was breaking. Took out all three, got a revive in, secured B, got the win. Best match of my For Honor career. Nothing brings me more joy than hearing "Ad mortem, inimīcus!" for the 700th time.
Each time a Lawbringer gets ganked and dies it reminds me of some random player who plays Shugoki keeps spamming the artful concision finisher non stop
I recently started playing again and I’ve seen a decent amount of Lawbros and I myself have been playing him a lot more, I just like how he plays and the challenge of knowing other characters in order to be able to read them and destroy them is also very satisfying
The reason I still play Lawbringer, he was the first hero I used, I even tried to replace him with the centurion, but no, he's still my favorite character (even though I don't play very well) and yes, I would be realy happy if my man gets some love from ubisoft.
there is one reason I played Lawbringer when I played for honor, and its that he looks absolutely awesome. Some huge, burly man in full plate armor swinging a halberd with such strength, it looks like he could split someone in two. sadly he just isn't that good. would be better off playing any other hero.
I’ve played lawbringer since the games release and has been my main ever since, and you’re right about him only really shining on days when you can parry everything. In 1v1’s unless you keep throwing lights you have no real way of opening up your opponent without waiting for a parry or pray that your opponent lets you hit them with the slowest none chargeable bash in the game
THANK YOU! I've been asking since day one why one of the most armored heroes in the game, doesn't have hyper armor. But all these half naked heroes do. If they do give my boy a good rework I would came back to For Honor in a minute.
When the rework came I was hoping for ONE thing: a bash parry. Since Lawdaddy's core is "parry then punish", giving him a semi BP move that parries only bashes would've been great but not OP. For example: leave the long arm of the law in its current speed, but add a bash counter frames at the start of it, Lawbringer (maybe steps back) parries the bash with the startup, then flips the person, while having full invincibility like BP so outside bashes don't interrupt him. But all we can do is dream.
To quote Darkwireman from reddit: "If Ubi doesn't want Lawbringer to be busted there are a couple options: -Softfeints. Either Heavy startup into Long Arm (with tracking), or top Heavy into side Heavy/Light and count it as the second hit of a chain. -Let our zone start chains, including Make Way. -Reduce Stamina costs for successive chain attacks. -Remove the double heavy on OOS punish, but in return speed up Long Arm to guarantee it on any parry." Yes, accidentally, i had a similar talk on the For Honor Rants subreddit, and, while i mostly meme around there, this is a genuinely good idea.
Started playing a month ago or so and just can't bring myself to play anything but lawbringer. I may suck, I may suffer but for the love of god I can't stop doing it
As a Lawbringer main here I understand the pain of instantly realize “oh…so you’re a fan of staring contests I see.” And just sitting through the fight want getting chipped away every time you go for an attack. But he is at a place of high potential. Imagine if he had an unblockable heavy opener? He could let it fly into bash to get his combo, dodge bash for combo, and part for combo set to ‘yes’ which is insanely strong. He needs slight adjustments but if we go to far he IS the next Shugoki/Raider/JJ. I personally like fleshing out his chains because though a L,L,L chain feel like it would be insignificant it would help in those situations where they turtle you. They’ll lose a little health and start getting riskier with their moves.
I love how you are so into the details of your warriors... Reminds me when I played FH everyday and made all my friends get it (AND THEY DID AND LOVED IT)... Now this game is soft bringer... disappointed father feels towards it (even though I still play it
I never thought I would see the day I have a higher rep character than a FH youtuber I have 48 reps in him and honestly. I think you've hit the nail on the head with rework ideas as they're the same things I would say too.
Dude I've been trying lawbringer, I'm rep 4 now and like you said, some times it's just parry city and I love this guy......and then there is the majority of the time where it's pain. I have most characters to rep 10 but man it makes no sense how a new pirate with cloth armor has hyper armor while stacked doubled cheeked daddy has nothing.
recently started for honor again and realized surface level of this aswell (mained warden n Lawbringer). Having a bash cancel would make it possible to bait doidge attack from what feels like everyone else got a dodge attack that cannot be grabbed or light attacked out of and only option is to heavy faint now.
I’m glad someone mentioned warden and his place in the game right now. He’s genuinely painful to play at the moment. And if by some miracle Ubisoft sees this. Warden does not need a blue/orange mixup. He needs a moveset.
I would agree that lawbringer is a relic of better times, I do not play him personally but I do agree he needs those subtle tweaks to bring him back. I would also agree that shaolin and nuxia also somewhat represent what for honor used to be. I would love to see small quality of life updates to these heroes not complete reworks. I am tired of losing the unique personalities of our favorite characters.
Been a lawbringer main since the game’s release. (Rep 70). Stuck with him through thick and thin and let me tell you, he’s so outclassed by new characters that I have no idea why they haven’t reworked him yet. It’s the only character who obviously needs changes yet here we are, years later, no changes.
I’m honestly really scared to see what they do to lawbringer like at this point I think I’d rather them leave him the way he is based off of what they’ve been doing with every other hero
They’ll release an animation where he gets charged into the casting couch by five big black raiders to explain why all of his unblockables lost their hyper armor
Releasing Gryphon was like, the biggest middle finger to LB players. It was literally "instead of reviving Lawbringer, we dragged his body through mud, ripped him apart for spare parts and made Holden Cross, THE Lawbringer, give up his identity, to support this sacrilege.
I would like even one of the changes you mentioned to be his rework. I don’t feel that he needs a mega change (cause then all of the people who play meta hero’s would migrate over to the law). Even slightly less stamina. consumption would be nice
He needs a better forward bash Undodgeable second chain heavies Maybe the same double light thing as gryphon to get to his unblockable faster And a light light combo
Lawbringer actually has a pole axe. Slightly different than a halberd as it has a hammer on the back, rather than the spike on the halberd. However with some heads on the pole axe do have a spike in game, they usually didn't in history
In all honesty I’ve enjoyed the struggle of maining him, taking the time to learn how other characters work and how to easily punish them through their chain attacks has been a fun experience - when it works lmao. It’s definitely something that comes with time, after his last rework he felt really weak, but it definitely made me a better player after sticking it out with him and almost makes you feel more skilled then the other players using characters that just throw, but see that’s where law excelled - fighting the really oppressive characters and shuting them down. Law is still a strong character, providing you’re playing at the top of your game, but as people obviously we can’t always be at our best 247. But it feels so rewarding when I do :)
I had set my phone down just to listen like a podcast then I swear about 6 minutes in I snapped towards the screen because I thought I recognized bgm from Dragons Dogma. So many good memories in that game
What about giving LB crushing counters on his light? It would help him deal with 50/50 soft feint characters and give him another way of counter attacking.
@@bread4713 well I mean if your fighting someone who doesn’t understand the concept of having hands jorm is pretty much top tier but if they realize that they have hands he kinda sucks
My Lolbringer Rework would be simple: New Chains: Light>Light>Heavy Finisher Heavy>Light>Light (you get it, spam two not three) New move: In Chain sweep (similar to Valk) Like in his execution were he sweeps his enemy and does a special impale light (20dmg) New Dash light with fast impale animation (15dmg) as rollcatcher Changes: Chain heavies have juicy hyper armor and zone is undodgable. What do you think my favourite box?
My LB rework: - Make long arm chainable after a heavy. That way you can try to force an early dodge with a shove, but instead long arm comes out and catches your dodge. - Add the chains you mentioned, this is obvious. - Give him back his HA on shove, but add recovery frames, and speed it up by 1 or 200 MS. dodge on red? Well now you get to GB him if you force a shove, unlike now for whatever reason. - Give him a on-lock roll catcher, as you describe. I think a running impale, just a regular old impale, would be epic.
For one the music makes me feel like I’m watching a sad documentary of a fallen solider, second is this is an amazing in depth analogy and request for lawbringer verse complaining and just saying “rework” “rework” all your points make complete sense and sound great overall especially stating to not make him brainless and still require skill to play him correctly
As a day 1 player, Lawbringer was the first "main" I ever had, though I've always been kind of transient with my mains, due to getting bored, or wanting to try something else but I still have nostalgia for him, and he is my favourite character, in terms of aesthetics and personality, but I can't bring myself to play him because he's so outdated. I'm not sure why Ubi seem so disgusted by the idea of giving him hyper-armour, considering he's close to the only hero who deserves it, but more than anything he needs an opener. If I were to be serious about a rework, I'd say speed up the bash like you say, maybe give him warlord style crushing counters on all opening lights (maybe controversial), SOME form of hyperarmour somewhere, I mean... my goodness c'mon, I'd personally suggest raider style, so 2nd and third heavy, but that may be too much with the UB finishers, more chain options, and finally leave long arm as it is, but include an additional soft feint to it from the finisher for some real pressure. Maybe even make it hyperarmour too. Is this all a bit much all together? Definitely, but I feel he deserves at least some of them. If he got a rework that put him in a decent place meta-wise, not even S-tier just... good, I'd main him properly in an instant, and I so badly want to do that... c'mon Ubi do him some justice
@SolidSol the one thing I’d add to your ideas for a fix for lawbringer: I really think all his parry punishes (too heavy after parry, light after parry, and impale) to have hyper armor. At least just the top heavy. Since the zone already does
Having impale accessible from forward dash heavy would be pretty great, actually. When people run from you with their back to a hazard, it's gg. Also, make his top light enhanced...omg.
I know I'm a bit late to say that but you just found Ubisoft's business model right there (4.54) They take old heroes movesets and animations, design a new look, copy paste the old moveset and write 4 unique feats just to squeeze more money out of this haha funy sword game. Gryphon is the perfect example for that and you've already mentioned him. Pure genius.
I want his impale to be a rollcatcher(12dmg) but that can only wallsplat for a light(unlike his parry impale) I want his unblockable top heavy being softfeintable to a hyperarmored longarm that is sped up, his neutral shove should be 620ms(520ms indic) his chained bash should stay how it is. A light light heavy chain Better hitboxes, and sped up heavy finishers. The stun on chained/neutral topheavies should be gone, but the stun on topfinishers and the lightparry punish should still be there. I also think all of his chain finishers should be hyper armored His bash should be punishable with dodgeattack And thats pretty much it, i think his zone attack damage(on parry and neutral) should be 16 and he should be able to chain into shove after it.
Had a Kyoshin try dodge attacking me as Lawbringer three times Parry, impaling charge, top heavy, shove, light, repeat He really didn’t like me, and when I caught their Warmonger teammate feinting EVERY dodge attack, well…same ending THE LAW CANNOT BE STOPPED
I feel so much sympathy and empathy from this video 😂 I'm always like "I'm not a bad player, I just main lb" I stopped playing him tho bc it really got too painful. Most characters completely outclass him and he has so little to work with. Tried playing him again today and as sol said, the glimpses of amazing stuff I did with clutch parries, revives, and sometimes being able to get into the mix up is truly not worth the 90% trade off of getting your ass beat constantly lol
Getting that last ornament in ranked duels for him was suffering to me, particularly after the shinobi rework. But reading that raider storming tap and smacking them with a top heavy was heavenly.
Honestly with how many hero’s have neutral openers I feel like an amazing change to LB would be the ability to faint Long Arm. So you’d either have to dodge and eat a BG or just get flipped into free heavy
I think long arm would be a cool roll catcher. Imagine he kind of runs at you like an impale, but does it with his halberd backwards and throws you over his shoulder. Free heavy + good gank tool.
If you look up what the poleaxe (lawbringers weapon) was used for it said it was used for tripping, disarming and blocking blows. So it would be cool if he got a trip attack but it might be broken or hard to fit in.
I recently had a dream where I flipped perspective of playing lawbringer and being him. I was doing really well and took this dream as a sign. So I grinded for a few hours after work and unlocked before I went to bed. The next day my computer's hard drive took a shit and I have to replace it. I feel I may have misinterpreted the dream
I keep playing LB because I’ve played him ever since I got the game in year 3 and just love playing LB especially when I get that nice and juicy light parry and go for the sweet top heavy I always “arrive” when I land it
They should make lawbringers zone allowed to chain like zone, light or heavy and the long arm have his top unblockable finisher that's guaranteed to bash (start another chain)
Lawbringer is cureently a High B tier duelist. 1 spot away from A tier. I love the meme about him being trash and needing a rework and stuff; but nowadays some Law main actually believe he's the worst character in the roaster when he's literally above half of it. Fun video tho.
Lawbringer is big poop head. Need rework. O M G Slap like NOW if you enjoyed the video. Excited for the new hero! Stay tuned for that.
Sol you misread LB. He is 4V4 God with second feat juggernaut
I don’t think jondaliner would be very fond of your assessment.
What about a superior block that can be chained into unblockable mixup
LB doesnt need rework dam just cause he isn't as easy to play as shinobi shouldnt mean he is bad
I thought you quit for honor
you know what would be a good series to do. is pick one character a week, play that character for a week and then make a video explaining why that character is strong, weak, if they need buffs, nerfs, rework and so on. Love listening to your opinions
So true that would be great
I did that when I played frequently in 2019. Gives a good feel of the character and depending on orders you can get from rep 8-13 usually.
honestly a good idea
Genius
5 head
Everytime Lawbringer has a good day, it's because he just got done having a really bad week.
sad mortem
Or because the enemies are aggressive gankers and ya got good perks. Requires enemy stupidity to at least some degree but God it feels good to beat the shit out of people who just pile on because it's "just a lawbringer"
Pretty accurate.
perfect way to say it
I just had a warden wait till I attacked then side dodge shoulder bash into a side light. He did this until I died and then emote spammed on me telling me I’m trash
Just make Lawdaddy immune to bashes. Fuck game balancing, just make him a wall, a literal wall
They did the overwatch balancing act.
Reinhardt: huge cutting edge metal robot armor
500hp
Roadhog: is fat
600hp
At this point I’m surprised they haven’t made him retroactively gay.
They balance the fun out of games these days and they never end up actually being balanced anyway
Fuck balance, make Lawbringer invincible
Bro the playe armor he has should make him immune to practically everything lol
@@trutwhut6550 realistically, he would survive a gun's blast
"Their armor has no equal."
Labringer: Then why the hell do we not have more hyper armor!?
Lb: "our armor is sacred and secret to our order it has no equal"
A sumo wrestler with a club: " hold my sake "
Their*
@@_Umbrael_ well it was supposed to be from their perspective thus the slight change in the phrase
@@kevincandelario2573 Wasn't talking to you, if I had been, I would have replied to you instead of posting as a regular reply. However, it appears they have fixed it now.
@@_Umbrael_ oh, I got your notification, and thought you meant me
For me, Lawbringer has always been the outlier in the whole cast. Back when I had first got the game on PS4 the first hero I recruited was Lawbringer. Now, I was 11 or 12 at the time so maybe him being the biggest knight stood out, but when I played him in story mode and felt the power he had, I was just taken by him. And of course, this was back when the U.I wasn't updated, and back when Cent and "Ninja" were the new characters.
I never went online with Lawbringer, because I never felt like I had the skill to fight. Until, of course, about 2 years later when I turned 14 and lawbringer had already got his rework I went online and saw how absolutely awful he was to play. And how easy he was fight. For nostalgia's sake I stayed to him, learned the way of the longarm and how to properly parry attacks. He went on to be the first character that I'd rep up on ps4 (And computer). I never truly got good at his move set for the time I was on ps4, and nor at the time did I think he was my main, I thought Warden was, either way I just kept to him.
Now, I have moved from the PS4 to the computer. I still main Lawbringer, mostly for that same sense. A big fella that was just imposing compared to the rest.
Uh conclusion: Its probably a curse
Theres something so satisfying to lawbringer. Its the only hero in the game i can play for the whole day without being bored of him. I think every other character i use i cant stand for more than 5-6 matches because theres those two or three heroes that directly counter them and i being the lucky bastard i am always match with those (i also almost exxlusively play 1v1). With lawbringer no one fucks him up more than himself, maybe assasins do a bit more but nothing too crazy
I baiscally started the same except i went on a epic quest to become the best Lawbringer, and basically grinded the fuck outa him up until his rework, and with 14 year old me's sense of honor i decided to not shove on block asI felt it was cheese
The only reason i fell off now is that CCU made it so hard to parry that even on read I can barely click the button fast enough to parry lights
@@chubbysolaireeaterofpussy3192 warden main here i played at around the age of 9 so im younger than both of you, but getting back to the point warden stood out to me and i have him as a rep 29-28 but no matter how good i got before wardens overpowered rework i felt underpowered and leaned towards lawbro but i was horrible with him but i endured the pain, hes now rep 7 but I feel burned out using him so i stick to warden or other hero projects like my conq which isn't a rep yet but i will get there and i know the rework will make conq a lesser turtle and lean more towards the offense than stalling.
I've been on since 15 back in the end of year 1. Honestly the main lb rework was initially very op. Hyper armor on a bash out of side dodge that could let you parry dodge attacks. Shit used to be nasty tbh. Got nerfed for a reason, but the game has evolved away from defensive meta, so lb could definitely use some updates to his kit to bring more in line with the rest of the cast, jorm and Nux need it way more though so I'll keep on enjoying what we got while we got it. But I won't lie that part of what I loved about lb is how many uses you can find for what little he has, so seeing how else I can abuse whatever he gets is somewhat exiting. Just hope they don't make his gameplay loop overly linear.
@BlastAnims this is why I have the meditation emote. Man is a good guy now haha
Pray that the devs finally hear the community and give Lawbringer an actual effective rework.
Nope….
Nobody asked for the outlanders faction… you think ubi will listen??? Ubi are being extremely mood
They listen to nothing. Nobody wants new heros at this point. We want all of them to be viable on a level playing field. How does ubi approach this? Add more shit to balance.
@@flosonasty7320 we also want new maps, especially for dominion.
@@frosty4059 they don’t have to add new map , just used the map in skirmishes and death match is good enough for dominion but guess what , they dont
Buff* he doesn't need a rework
I think one of Lawb's main issues is that his entire kit is based around not having an opener but having really good chain pressure but as we've seen with Pirate girl, not having a real neutral opener doesn't mean anything to Ubi
I feel that gank at the beginning on a visceral level.
As a lawbringer main I can agree with this sad introduction, but when a lawbringer can “parry the world” it brings me true joy. Tho Unironically I enjoy playing him, prob cuz I ALMOST NEVER do 4 v 4 modes
Lawbringer really is a relic of a simpler time. His kit is complete and utter doodoo water with the current meta in mind. Really, I feel like it'll be impossible to give him a truly viable kit against it and keep him original.
He’s still my boy after all these years. Lawbringer since day 1, and as lame as he is I don’t regret it one bit.
I’ve played him since I first started in Reigning Inferno
"I love the halberd because it reminds me of Lu Bu"
If only lawbro was the mightiest warrior in the three kingdoms 😞
He used to be.
Goshh, that was my favorite character of all time, Lu bu !!
Thats why i started use lawdaddy a lot
Lawbringer is cringe trash
@@hirschmeistr6842 Ok
@@Edo_Ginting you agree with my basedness, correct?
Haven't played in years but Lawbringer was all I played, seeing a massive metal monster with my favorite medieval weapon was just super cool to me, loved playing him
Lawbringer was my first love in for honor and I will always come back to him and it hurts me to see that he is just rly underwhelming in comparison to other heroes. 😢
I think that the next heroes that should get a rework/tweaks would be Shaolin, Highlander, and Lawbringer. Shaolin just needs some Chi stance flow tweaks, but HL and LB need a rework or something.
Nuxia needs help too
@@PARABLLM who's that?
I feel like you touched on a lot of what lawbringer needs and I have gotten him to rep 32 he is my highest rep and I love him but playing him has become more like a chore then anything else. I can't defend myself like crazy when it comes to getting ganked, whenever I get revenge the just roll away, and the bash while hitting sometimes just feels useless at times.
Being rep 70 on lawbringer is great but now I play him for fun. Say do you play on Xbox?
I like the idea of his 2nd chain heavy having hyper armor & his heavy finisher remaining unblockable.
As a lawbringer main this is a great and accurate documentary in to the life of a lawbringer main well done. may the law be with you in your endless crusade against chaos.✊🏾
I have been on and off with for honor throught out the years but I started with warden in the beta. The first moment I saw the art and video for Lawbringer I knew he was my hero. He will always be my favorite with Cent a close second.
I played lawbro since beta. His parry punishes are what keeps me going, plus when I drop the game for like 5 months and come back he's the character that forces me to get used to parries again. I do love going from overhead heavy feint into pole arm. It scrambles so many peoples brains in 1v1s. Not practical at all, but funny.
Its amazing how much more fun this game becomes when you stop fighting real people and just stick to bot matches. Im under no illusions that I’m good at the game. But at least I’m enjoying myself again.
You know what shocks me about bot matches? The players fashion is always S tier and the bots sometimes are objectively better than actual players. Seriously, the fucking parries and chains those Level 3 bots can do is fucking terrifying sometimes. They legit gank better than actual real people.
Fun fact, it’s actually a pole axe. It often gets mixed up with the halbred.
It's actually both of them, it's canonically a poleaxe but you get a lot of equipment that matches other weapons like halberds and even a lucerne
both halberds and poleaxes have an axe blade and spear tip, ts just a pole axe has a hammer on the other side of the axe, while a halberd has another smaller spike or blade.
@@jackshapiro4668 exactly
I like how every, "I've played" hero is an anime girl, but law is an old ass man with a blunt questioning his decision
Lawbringer mains live in stone cold reality
I started playing this game because of him, it's sad that every fight even if I win it looks and fells like a struggle.
I would say give him more forward movement on his heavy attacks and better hitbox radius for externals or minion clear
yuh
Crushing Counter, full block, anything really. Adds variety to his arsenal instead of parrying everything.
The thing he needs the most desperately is a chase down move. He's my favorite character, and I have no trouble winning fights - the problem is just that 50% of the time, they end with the other guy legging it, and me being unable to do anything about it :(
I just always use impaling charge, it works a lot. So I’m not sure what you’re talking about but, maybe it’s just me
"every character should have a role catcher" you brought a tear to my eye when you said that, I couldn't agree more.
I love how he drops into his fashion choices in the middle of the video.
Fashion is the end game of for honor
Light light animations would be so easy too as you could easily chain the slash into a poke.
I think lb needs to be able to parry out of any atttack recovery
Fields of Ard Skellig, 6:00, man man man, pulling the nostalgia feels
For me, Lawbringer is someone who I could get a hang of his move-set easily and start playing him right away by using his entire kit and not feeling like I'll need to be mindful of my 20 other special moves, traits or attacks. The most defining characteristic trait that Lawbringer has in my opinion is how simple he is.
I have a lot of difficulties learning any other hero in the game, even the basic ones like Warden, but my rep12 Lawbringer is one thing that I pull off almost always consistently (unless my enemy is an Orochi), hence, I hope he is kept that way, even if they do decide to give him a rework.
Too many special rules or combat tricks tend to overwhelm me in the heat of moment and discourage me from learning them in the future.
That thumbnail is a perfect representation of the few tired lawbringer mains that still suffer with him
Reason i still play my Profile Picture, is Fashion and the chained damage, especially the neat GB/Shove after unblock mixup. (Last Gen Console view for reference cuz parries are hard)
After a year away from From Honor, I was glad to be back to main-ing Lawbringer. First match back, 1v3 the enemy team while my team was breaking. Took out all three, got a revive in, secured B, got the win. Best match of my For Honor career.
Nothing brings me more joy than hearing "Ad mortem, inimīcus!" for the 700th time.
Each time a Lawbringer gets ganked and dies it reminds me of some random player who plays Shugoki keeps spamming the artful concision finisher non stop
I recently started playing again and I’ve seen a decent amount of Lawbros and I myself have been playing him a lot more, I just like how he plays and the challenge of knowing other characters in order to be able to read them and destroy them is also very satisfying
The reason I still play Lawbringer, he was the first hero I used, I even tried to replace him with the centurion, but no, he's still my favorite character (even though I don't play very well) and yes, I would be realy happy if my man gets some love from ubisoft.
0:45 Epic Demon slayer opening version
The voice is from who?
there is one reason I played Lawbringer when I played for honor, and its that he looks absolutely awesome. Some huge, burly man in full plate armor swinging a halberd with such strength, it looks like he could split someone in two. sadly he just isn't that good. would be better off playing any other hero.
I’ve played lawbringer since the games release and has been my main ever since, and you’re right about him only really shining on days when you can parry everything. In 1v1’s unless you keep throwing lights you have no real way of opening up your opponent without waiting for a parry or pray that your opponent lets you hit them with the slowest none chargeable bash in the game
THANK YOU! I've been asking since day one why one of the most armored heroes in the game, doesn't have hyper armor. But all these half naked heroes do. If they do give my boy a good rework I would came back to For Honor in a minute.
When the rework came I was hoping for ONE thing: a bash parry. Since Lawdaddy's core is "parry then punish", giving him a semi BP move that parries only bashes would've been great but not OP. For example: leave the long arm of the law in its current speed, but add a bash counter frames at the start of it, Lawbringer (maybe steps back) parries the bash with the startup, then flips the person, while having full invincibility like BP so outside bashes don't interrupt him. But all we can do is dream.
To quote Darkwireman from reddit:
"If Ubi doesn't want Lawbringer to be busted there are a couple options:
-Softfeints. Either Heavy startup into Long Arm (with tracking), or top Heavy into side Heavy/Light and count it as the second hit of a chain.
-Let our zone start chains, including Make Way.
-Reduce Stamina costs for successive chain attacks.
-Remove the double heavy on OOS punish, but in return speed up Long Arm to guarantee it on any parry."
Yes, accidentally, i had a similar talk on the For Honor Rants subreddit, and, while i mostly meme around there, this is a genuinely good idea.
Started playing a month ago or so and just can't bring myself to play anything but lawbringer. I may suck, I may suffer but for the love of god I can't stop doing it
As a Lawbringer main here I understand the pain of instantly realize “oh…so you’re a fan of staring contests I see.” And just sitting through the fight want getting chipped away every time you go for an attack. But he is at a place of high potential. Imagine if he had an unblockable heavy opener? He could let it fly into bash to get his combo, dodge bash for combo, and part for combo set to ‘yes’ which is insanely strong. He needs slight adjustments but if we go to far he IS the next Shugoki/Raider/JJ. I personally like fleshing out his chains because though a L,L,L chain feel like it would be insignificant it would help in those situations where they turtle you. They’ll lose a little health and start getting riskier with their moves.
I love how you are so into the details of your warriors...
Reminds me when I played FH everyday and made all my friends get it (AND THEY DID AND LOVED IT)...
Now this game is soft bringer... disappointed father feels towards it (even though I still play it
Also...
BRING BACK THE LAW BROOOOOOS!!!!!
Just one thing I want as a lawbringer main is a heavy-light disorientation hit off normal heavies
I never thought I would see the day I have a higher rep character than a FH youtuber I have 48 reps in him and honestly. I think you've hit the nail on the head with rework ideas as they're the same things I would say too.
Dude I've been trying lawbringer, I'm rep 4 now and like you said, some times it's just parry city and I love this guy......and then there is the majority of the time where it's pain. I have most characters to rep 10 but man it makes no sense how a new pirate with cloth armor has hyper armor while stacked doubled cheeked daddy has nothing.
Honestly I think the biggest buff for him would be allowing him to soft faint his heavy finisher into a armored long arm that has good back tracking
Can't wait for lawbring to get a 400ms bash with undodgable heavies. Seems like thats the only way devs know how to buff a character
recently started for honor again and realized surface level of this aswell (mained warden n Lawbringer). Having a bash cancel would make it possible to bait doidge attack from what feels like everyone else got a dodge attack that cannot be grabbed or light attacked out of and only option is to heavy faint now.
That Witcher 3 music caught me by surprise, but it was a welcoming one.
I’m glad someone mentioned warden and his place in the game right now. He’s genuinely painful to play at the moment.
And if by some miracle Ubisoft sees this.
Warden does not need a blue/orange mixup. He needs a moveset.
Lawbringer sadness mixed with skellige ambience is a mood
First off, that parry the world edit, godly, second can I get one of these for my boy shaolin
I think a bash and long arm mix up would have been cool
A fast bash and a slow long arm with hyper armor that can be cancelled after any heavy or zone
Man… I remember the good ol AnimeExpert times 😂 been watching u since OG times, love ur content, ur legitimately my fav FH UA-camr
Lawbringer was my first hero. Holden looked so cool in the campaign and yeah, he definitely deserves a buff.
I would agree that lawbringer is a relic of better times, I do not play him personally but I do agree he needs those subtle tweaks to bring him back. I would also agree that shaolin and nuxia also somewhat represent what for honor used to be. I would love to see small quality of life updates to these heroes not complete reworks. I am tired of losing the unique personalities of our favorite characters.
Been a lawbringer main since the game’s release. (Rep 70). Stuck with him through thick and thin and let me tell you, he’s so outclassed by new characters that I have no idea why they haven’t reworked him yet. It’s the only character who obviously needs changes yet here we are, years later, no changes.
He really does exude fashioned for honor. Well put.
Remember when you didn't have to feint to get a hit in? Those were the days.
I’m honestly really scared to see what they do to lawbringer like at this point I think I’d rather them leave him the way he is based off of what they’ve been doing with every other hero
They’ll release an animation where he gets charged into the casting couch by five big black raiders to explain why all of his unblockables lost their hyper armor
@@mjtechnoviking44 god I can’t wait
@@mjtechnoviking44 5 black raiders and one PK
Releasing Gryphon was like, the biggest middle finger to LB players.
It was literally "instead of reviving Lawbringer, we dragged his body through mud, ripped him apart for spare parts and made Holden Cross, THE Lawbringer, give up his identity, to support this sacrilege.
Keep his side dodge bashes the same speed, speed up his front dodge bash. I like all your recommendations. New game idea: Risk of Rain 2
The music choice for this video gave me whiplash. I love it
I felt that when you said he was a relic of the old for honor
I would like even one of the changes you mentioned to be his rework. I don’t feel that he needs a mega change (cause then all of the people who play meta hero’s would migrate over to the law). Even slightly less stamina. consumption would be nice
He needs a better forward bash
Undodgeable second chain heavies
Maybe the same double light thing as gryphon to get to his unblockable faster
And a light light combo
I guarantee you everyone who said his rework was a good thing doesn’t play him and are just happy that the game got easier for them.
Lawbringer actually has a pole axe. Slightly different than a halberd as it has a hammer on the back, rather than the spike on the halberd. However with some heads on the pole axe do have a spike in game, they usually didn't in history
Debatable. I agree it's a poleaxe, but the definition of a halberd is debatable.
@@STUPIDGUARDIANS true
The witcher music caught me off guard, made me tear up a bit
LB is a long hard road to victory as it stands, each fight uphill .
In all honesty I’ve enjoyed the struggle of maining him, taking the time to learn how other characters work and how to easily punish them through their chain attacks has been a fun experience - when it works lmao. It’s definitely something that comes with time, after his last rework he felt really weak, but it definitely made me a better player after sticking it out with him and almost makes you feel more skilled then the other players using characters that just throw, but see that’s where law excelled - fighting the really oppressive characters and shuting them down. Law is still a strong character, providing you’re playing at the top of your game, but as people obviously we can’t always be at our best 247. But it feels so rewarding when I do :)
I had set my phone down just to listen like a podcast then I swear about 6 minutes in I snapped towards the screen because I thought I recognized bgm from Dragons Dogma. So many good memories in that game
What about giving LB crushing counters on his light? It would help him deal with 50/50 soft feint characters and give him another way of counter attacking.
fact: all experienced lawbringer players can parry a light before you even throw it.
In the mind of the persons who say "just make a read", Jorm is a top tier character.
And to anyone with a brain he's dogshit tier
@@bread4713 well I mean if your fighting someone who doesn’t understand the concept of having hands jorm is pretty much top tier but if they realize that they have hands he kinda sucks
My Lolbringer Rework would be simple:
New Chains: Light>Light>Heavy Finisher
Heavy>Light>Light
(you get it, spam two not
three)
New move: In Chain sweep (similar to
Valk) Like in his execution
were he sweeps his enemy
and does a special impale
light (20dmg)
New Dash light with
fast impale animation
(15dmg) as rollcatcher
Changes: Chain heavies have juicy hyper
armor and zone is undodgable.
What do you think my favourite box?
My LB rework:
- Make long arm chainable after a heavy. That way you can try to force an early dodge with a shove, but instead long arm comes out and catches your dodge.
- Add the chains you mentioned, this is obvious.
- Give him back his HA on shove, but add recovery frames, and speed it up by 1 or 200 MS. dodge on red? Well now you get to GB him if you force a shove, unlike now for whatever reason.
- Give him a on-lock roll catcher, as you describe. I think a running impale, just a regular old impale, would be epic.
For one the music makes me feel like I’m watching a sad documentary of a fallen solider, second is this is an amazing in depth analogy and request for lawbringer verse complaining and just saying “rework” “rework” all your points make complete sense and sound great overall especially stating to not make him brainless and still require skill to play him correctly
As a day 1 player, Lawbringer was the first "main" I ever had, though I've always been kind of transient with my mains, due to getting bored, or wanting to try something else but I still have nostalgia for him, and he is my favourite character, in terms of aesthetics and personality, but I can't bring myself to play him because he's so outdated. I'm not sure why Ubi seem so disgusted by the idea of giving him hyper-armour, considering he's close to the only hero who deserves it, but more than anything he needs an opener. If I were to be serious about a rework, I'd say speed up the bash like you say, maybe give him warlord style crushing counters on all opening lights (maybe controversial), SOME form of hyperarmour somewhere, I mean... my goodness c'mon, I'd personally suggest raider style, so 2nd and third heavy, but that may be too much with the UB finishers, more chain options, and finally leave long arm as it is, but include an additional soft feint to it from the finisher for some real pressure. Maybe even make it hyperarmour too.
Is this all a bit much all together? Definitely, but I feel he deserves at least some of them.
If he got a rework that put him in a decent place meta-wise, not even S-tier just... good, I'd main him properly in an instant, and I so badly want to do that... c'mon Ubi do him some justice
@SolidSol the one thing I’d add to your ideas for a fix for lawbringer: I really think all his parry punishes (too heavy after parry, light after parry, and impale) to have hyper armor. At least just the top heavy. Since the zone already does
Having impale accessible from forward dash heavy would be pretty great, actually. When people run from you with their back to a hazard, it's gg. Also, make his top light enhanced...omg.
I know I'm a bit late to say that but you just found Ubisoft's business model right there (4.54)
They take old heroes movesets and animations, design a new look, copy paste the old moveset and write 4 unique feats just to squeeze more money out of this haha funy sword game. Gryphon is the perfect example for that and you've already mentioned him. Pure genius.
I want his impale to be a rollcatcher(12dmg) but that can only wallsplat for a light(unlike his parry impale)
I want his unblockable top heavy being softfeintable to a hyperarmored longarm that is sped up, his neutral shove should be 620ms(520ms indic) his chained bash should stay how it is.
A light light heavy chain
Better hitboxes, and sped up heavy finishers.
The stun on chained/neutral topheavies should be gone, but the stun on topfinishers and the lightparry punish should still be there.
I also think all of his chain finishers should be hyper armored
His bash should be punishable with dodgeattack
And thats pretty much it, i think his zone attack damage(on parry and neutral) should be 16 and he should be able to chain into shove after it.
Had a Kyoshin try dodge attacking me as Lawbringer three times
Parry, impaling charge, top heavy, shove, light, repeat
He really didn’t like me, and when I caught their Warmonger teammate feinting EVERY dodge attack, well…same ending
THE LAW CANNOT BE STOPPED
The law is the law.
I feel so much sympathy and empathy from this video 😂 I'm always like "I'm not a bad player, I just main lb" I stopped playing him tho bc it really got too painful. Most characters completely outclass him and he has so little to work with. Tried playing him again today and as sol said, the glimpses of amazing stuff I did with clutch parries, revives, and sometimes being able to get into the mix up is truly not worth the 90% trade off of getting your ass beat constantly lol
If you are a good player, you can make lb more than viable, at least in 1v1. In dominion he sucks lol. Gl i only play duels.
The fact that he said basically half of the current lawbringer rework is insane he has a triple light and hyper armour on 2nd heavy
Getting that last ornament in ranked duels for him was suffering to me, particularly after the shinobi rework. But reading that raider storming tap and smacking them with a top heavy was heavenly.
Honestly with how many hero’s have neutral openers I feel like an amazing change to LB would be the ability to faint Long Arm. So you’d either have to dodge and eat a BG or just get flipped into free heavy
I think long arm would be a cool roll catcher. Imagine he kind of runs at you like an impale, but does it with his halberd backwards and throws you over his shoulder. Free heavy + good gank tool.
Love the Witcher music in the back such a good vibe
If you look up what the poleaxe (lawbringers weapon) was used for it said it was used for tripping, disarming and blocking blows. So it would be cool if he got a trip attack but it might be broken or hard to fit in.
I recently had a dream where I flipped perspective of playing lawbringer and being him. I was doing really well and took this dream as a sign. So I grinded for a few hours after work and unlocked before I went to bed. The next day my computer's hard drive took a shit and I have to replace it. I feel I may have misinterpreted the dream
what's the song near the end of the "who is lawbringer" part?
Edit: is it from the witcher? I know i've heard it somewhere and a helluva lot aswell.
Should be skellege ost :d
@@SolidSol69 put the music you use in the description it would make a lot of people happy especially the piano music
@@ahmesbaloshy472 he does most of the time I think.
@@SolidSol69 Thank you so much haha, was driving me mad
@@DevilJhoMama not all the time it Also drives me mad
I keep playing LB because I’ve played him ever since I got the game in year 3 and just love playing LB especially when I get that nice and juicy light parry and go for the sweet top heavy I always “arrive” when I land it
Conqueror: “man I really wish my heavy had better tracking to catch rolls like the other knights.”
Lb: “You guys have roll catchers?”
They should make lawbringers zone allowed to chain like zone, light or heavy and the long arm have his top unblockable finisher that's guaranteed to bash (start another chain)
Lawbringer is cureently a High B tier duelist. 1 spot away from A tier.
I love the meme about him being trash and needing a rework and stuff; but nowadays some Law main actually believe he's the worst character in the roaster when he's literally above half of it.
Fun video tho.