Excellent video. A very balanced view on a very complicated subject. I live in Maine. Wood is the way to go here. We have an old farm house with an oil fired boiler and steam radiators. We put in a big Lopi wood fireplace insert. It paid for itself in the first two years!!
Nice video👍 Some downsides of wood heating: Converting a house into wood-burning is major work and expensive. In addition to external storage, you need a storage box for woods next the wood-burning stove. The chimney must be sniffed/kleened once a year to avoid a dangerous soot fire. To keep the house/room warm,woods must be added continuesly. If you are at work, your house is cold, when you come home(same in the nights). If yoy have to buy custom-made wood including transportation costs a lot these days. For elderly unfit people, wood heating can be tiring.
All true! Plus if you don’t have wood on your property, it can be difficult finding a good supply of fully seasoned wood. Wood guys are always trying to pass off green wood. Or they don’t give you a FULL cord!
Well done video👍 I would like to see more videos on not just wood stoves but various zero clearance wood fireplaces. Alot of people still dont think zero clearance can heat efficiently and be an effective heater
Forget it .a dark winter is coming. Get a real stove that is what its called and not an eye stove for looks. If you can put your hand on the top when its on you got a crap stove . The point of a wood stove it survive the winter not for looks. Dont be fooled . There are many old stoves from the 70s that will heat your house to 75 all winter long who cares about the looks when your family is freezing to death.
I find it very interesting that you get that much negative comments. I think it comes from indecision because I'm trying to figure out how a wood stove would work for me
We recently purchased the Iron Strike Grandview 300 from you to be installed in a custom build short term rental in the North Carolina mountains. After some debate, wood was chosen over gas with the thought that renters on vacation would actually enjoy tending a real wood fire as a different type of experience. Your staff was a pleasure to deal with.
I have a natural gas direct vent fireplace in my home. We may put a roof over our deck this summer and I was thinking about adding some kind of wood burning heat source for ambiance and heat on the cold spring/fall nights. In our neighborhood a couple of our neighbors have wood burning stoves for supplemental heat and in the fall my wife and I love the smell of our neighborhood when they are using there stoves. It’s oddly welcoming for some reason. So I guess I can see both sides of the story.
A wood stove is what you need . An old wood stove is the best one to get. If you cant boil water on a wood stove you got the wrong one. Return it . I can crank my stove up to 750 or better . I can cook bacon and eggs on it . The hell with the epa.
@@embersliving ok my ass . You people make everything complicated. Wood stove heating goes back a long long time. . Tell me . Would you install a wood stove for the looks or to really heat your whole house. My stove runs the best at around 700 degrees. At a lower temperature it is a waist of time. The only result im looking for is heat and more heat . 20 years now and no house fires or problems. I clean the pipes every month or so.
@@embersliving oh . And i dont have a fresh air intake . No need for that unless your house was built in 2018 or newer. Thats the code here. Triple wall stainless steel pipe. And no screen in the cap. Ripped it out on day one . Thats screen will be your biggest problem when it clogs. Any more questions?
Yes, its better if you have a higher end fireplace because they use better glass to help heat your room. We talk about it in this video : Blower vs. No Blower (Can I add a blower to my gas fireplace?) : ua-cam.com/video/IW56vS2WKEs/v-deo.html
Another benefit of Gas vs. Wood with Traditional Fireplaces is no cleanup. Just wondering how hard, and costly with Initial Installation of switching from Wood to Natural Gas?
Great video I have a contractors grade propane gas insert with tempered glass is there any advantage to converting the tempered glass to ceramic glass?
The wise have more than one heating method for backup so nature doesn't kill us. If you have free wood as many do wood wins on cost but is labor intensive if you harvest it yourself. LP wins on convenience but is expensive. Use both and if LP supply is interrupted you still have your wood pile.
Where I live in Wyoming we do not have access to natural gas so propane is our source. I am building and have a choice to make…….wood or propane. I like the convenience of gas and am curious as to how expensive it will be to run propane. Can you give me an estimate? I realize there are many factors to include, I am just looking for ballpark figure kind of similar to how you said natural gas would be equivalent to chord of wood. Thanks.
I have access to free wood on my property right here. However, I have an HVAC and carpet and don't have the time (and wife doesn't have the time to enjoy it). So while I do have a masonry fireplace, it messes with HVAC too much (even though it has a fresh air damper on the side) I think I'll go with a gas set that my wife can push a button and enjoy woodland view. I think I'll install a high efficiency wood burning stove in my shop (separate building) to offset the propane I plan to also have for convenience.
As you said its case dependant. I'd love wood. I really do. But with work schedules and kid business. Gas is flexible bc its more set it and forget it. Plus if it's not the sole heater in the house and only ran for asthetics when your home or if the power is out. Then gas is the no Brainer. At our family camp it's wood heat all day.
wood stoves only make sense if you use outside combustion air. I assumed all EPA stoves were outside combustion, just like all high efficiency furnaces. If not, they all need to be if they want to be efficient. Heating up the air in the room only to send it up the chimney makes no sense when you can use outside air for combustion.
Would be awesome if you Trevor could explain the difference between natural gas and propane fireplace, they use different burners it seams for conversion. Do they heat as much ? Pros and cons etc !
Southern New York here. 7 to -17 degrees today. 500 dollar vogelzang defender bought 12 years ago for card games in my basement. Brought it upstairs last year because central hudson is killing me. 80 degrees in my 14,000 square foot home. 16 splits of wood in 14 hours half of em green. Last year was -4 and seasoned wood got my house to 104 degrees. I had front and back door open several times in my underwear 🤣🤣🤣
@7:46 How is an All Electric system expensive in the long run? Sure, the up front cost of components like batteries, can be expensive, especially if you go for lithium instead lead-acid. But don't heat pumps, resistive heaters, generators, and solar panels last a long time? Little to no maintenance? And you get a massive cycle life out of batteries, if you take care of them, like keeping them between 20 & 80%, even more cycle life if you keep them around 60%, and do other behaviors that don't stress out or endanger the batteries. I think like with Hybrid Vehicles, having both is may be the best option, because like with vehicles, if you run out of fuel, or the traditional system is down for maintenance or a malfunction, you can run on saved battery power for a while. And like with hybrid vehicles, the battery & traditional heating systems can compliment each other. Like the instant torque of electric motors can accelerate a vehicle best, from dead stops and low speeds, and an electric heating system can quickly heat a home, until a furnace or stove heats up. And the thermostat will detect the rise in heat and start tapering off the electric system, saving your battery for another cold start, or emergency.
I just checked. Solar panels last a very long time, but degrade, losing about 0.5% performance every year. Down to 95% effective in 10 years. 50% output in 100 years. You have to think about when performance will be minimally acceptable to you, just like with glowing Tritium watches & gun-sights. Water wheel, wind turbine, and exercise generator bearings, it depends. I don't know how long or low maintenance heat pumps and resistive heating elements last, or how low maintenance they are. I think the best option for my future offgrid living situation, is a woodstove battery electric hybrid system.
Excellent video. A very balanced view on a very complicated subject. I live in Maine. Wood is the way to go here. We have an old farm house with an oil fired boiler and steam radiators. We put in a big Lopi wood fireplace insert. It paid for itself in the first two years!!
thanks
I live in NH and I have the same set up. Works great!
Nice video👍
Some downsides of wood heating:
Converting a house into wood-burning is major work and expensive.
In addition to
external storage, you need a storage box for woods next the wood-burning stove.
The chimney must be sniffed/kleened once a year to avoid a dangerous soot fire.
To keep the house/room warm,woods must be added continuesly. If you are at work, your house is cold, when you come home(same in the nights).
If yoy have to buy custom-made wood including transportation costs a lot these days.
For elderly unfit people, wood heating can be tiring.
Very true! It can be a lot of work.
All true! Plus if you don’t have wood on your property, it can be difficult finding a good supply of fully seasoned wood. Wood guys are always trying to pass off green wood. Or they don’t give you a FULL cord!
Well done video👍 I would like to see more videos on not just wood stoves but various zero clearance wood fireplaces. Alot of people still dont think zero clearance can heat efficiently and be an effective heater
Forget it .a dark winter is coming. Get a real stove that is what its called and not an eye stove for looks. If you can put your hand on the top when its on you got a crap stove . The point of a wood stove it survive the winter not for looks. Dont be fooled . There are many old stoves from the 70s that will heat your house to 75 all winter long who cares about the looks when your family is freezing to death.
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Props on these videos. A lot of good info, thanks.
Thanks!
I find it very interesting that you get that much negative comments. I think it comes from indecision because I'm trying to figure out how a wood stove would work for me
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We recently purchased the Iron Strike Grandview 300 from you to be installed in a custom build short term rental in the North Carolina mountains. After some debate, wood was chosen over gas with the thought that renters on vacation would actually enjoy tending a real wood fire as a different type of experience. Your staff was a pleasure to deal with.
great feedback !
Excellent presentation!👏 Thanks!
Thanks for watching !!
I have a natural gas direct vent fireplace in my home. We may put a roof over our deck this summer and I was thinking about adding some kind of wood burning heat source for ambiance and heat on the cold spring/fall nights. In our neighborhood a couple of our neighbors have wood burning stoves for supplemental heat and in the fall my wife and I love the smell of our neighborhood when they are using there stoves. It’s oddly welcoming for some reason. So I guess I can see both sides of the story.
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Excellent, informative vid----thx for posting!
No problem! Thanks for watching.
A wood stove is what you need . An old wood stove is the best one to get. If you cant boil water on a wood stove you got the wrong one. Return it . I can crank my stove up to 750 or better . I can cook bacon and eggs on it . The hell with the epa.
Ha ok
Just let the world burn, huh?
@@Xanduur thats right .i let it burn .
@@embersliving ok my ass . You people make everything complicated. Wood stove heating goes back a long long time. . Tell me . Would you install a wood stove for the looks or to really heat your whole house. My stove runs the best at around 700 degrees. At a lower temperature it is a waist of time. The only result im looking for is heat and more heat . 20 years now and no house fires or problems. I clean the pipes every month or so.
@@embersliving oh . And i dont have a fresh air intake . No need for that unless your house was built in 2018 or newer. Thats the code here. Triple wall stainless steel pipe.
And no screen in the cap. Ripped it out on day one . Thats screen will be your biggest problem when it clogs.
Any more questions?
I live in Greece. Right now with all that is going on the cheapest fuel you can buy is Propane.
good to know
Great video. Can the fireplace be operated without the fan on a permanent basis ? Thanks
Yes, its better if you have a higher end fireplace because they use better glass to help heat your room. We talk about it in this video : Blower vs. No Blower (Can I add a blower to my gas fireplace?) : ua-cam.com/video/IW56vS2WKEs/v-deo.html
Another benefit of Gas vs. Wood with Traditional Fireplaces is no cleanup. Just wondering how hard, and costly with Initial Installation of switching from Wood to Natural Gas?
You would have to contact an installer to look at your space.
Great video I have a contractors grade propane gas insert with tempered glass is there any advantage to converting the tempered glass to ceramic glass?
You have awesome videos...but what's up with writing on the walls with a marker?! What did Tate say about that? lol
Yeah he was mad, but we painted over it
The wise have more than one heating method for backup so nature doesn't kill us. If you have free wood as many do wood wins on cost but is labor intensive if you harvest it yourself.
LP wins on convenience but is expensive. Use both and if LP supply is interrupted you still have your wood pile.
Thanks for the comment!
Where I live in Wyoming we do not have access to natural gas so propane is our source. I am building and have a choice to make…….wood or propane. I like the convenience of gas and am curious as to how expensive it will be to run propane. Can you give me an estimate? I realize there are many factors to include, I am just looking for ballpark figure kind of similar to how you said natural gas would be equivalent to chord of wood. Thanks.
Thanks for watching!
Wood is cheaper. And the workout will keep you young and healthy.
Wood! Great way to get some exercise ! I like to split it to 4" diameter so I can "pack" the stove full for a long burn!
T good ide!
I have access to free wood on my property right here. However, I have an HVAC and carpet and don't have the time (and wife doesn't have the time to enjoy it). So while I do have a masonry fireplace, it messes with HVAC too much (even though it has a fresh air damper on the side) I think I'll go with a gas set that my wife can push a button and enjoy woodland view. I think I'll install a high efficiency wood burning stove in my shop (separate building) to offset the propane I plan to also have for convenience.
good feedback
As you said its case dependant. I'd love wood. I really do. But with work schedules and kid business. Gas is flexible bc its more set it and forget it. Plus if it's not the sole heater in the house and only ran for asthetics when your home or if the power is out. Then gas is the no Brainer. At our family camp it's wood heat all day.
Great input thanks for the comment
wood stoves only make sense if you use outside combustion air. I assumed all EPA stoves were outside combustion, just like all high efficiency furnaces. If not, they all need to be if they want to be efficient. Heating up the air in the room only to send it up the chimney makes no sense when you can use outside air for combustion.
Thanks for watching
Would be awesome if you Trevor could explain the difference between natural gas and propane fireplace, they use different burners it seams for conversion. Do they heat as much ? Pros and cons etc !
thats a great idea!
Propane has more energy than natural gas. Natural gas requires larger burner orifices than propane to get the same heat.
@@vinquinn propane$$$$$
Homeboy just drawin’ on walls like he in East LA…
Oh yeah
I like the convenience of a gas fireplace.
Same
After watching this, I need to find an installer in Michigan for a gas fireplace. Does anyone in the comment section have any suggestions?
Self-standind gas fireplace?
wait what ?
Get wood furnace not wood stove
Southern New York here. 7 to -17 degrees today. 500 dollar vogelzang defender bought 12 years ago for card games in my basement. Brought it upstairs last year because central hudson is killing me. 80 degrees in my 14,000 square foot home. 16 splits of wood in 14 hours half of em green. Last year was -4 and seasoned wood got my house to 104 degrees. I had front and back door open several times in my underwear 🤣🤣🤣
cool
I do not if somebody has asked it before. The most important question for me is, can you burn marshmallows in a gas fireplace?
You can but not a good idea
Wood is buy far the best form of heat and cheap.
Yes, its a great way to stay warm.
Burn wood here. It is our first year burning wood. We just bought a wood stove insert.
nice!
Wood I have many trees on my land. Hard Wood
BTU's not Temperature. Temp is meaningless.
Which one do you prefer ??
@7:46
How is an All Electric system expensive in the long run? Sure, the up front cost of components like batteries, can be expensive, especially if you go for lithium instead lead-acid. But don't heat pumps, resistive heaters, generators, and solar panels last a long time? Little to no maintenance? And you get a massive cycle life out of batteries, if you take care of them, like keeping them between 20 & 80%, even more cycle life if you keep them around 60%, and do other behaviors that don't stress out or endanger the batteries.
I think like with Hybrid Vehicles, having both is may be the best option, because like with vehicles, if you run out of fuel, or the traditional system is down for maintenance or a malfunction, you can run on saved battery power for a while.
And like with hybrid vehicles, the battery & traditional heating systems can compliment each other. Like the instant torque of electric motors can accelerate a vehicle best, from dead stops and low speeds, and an electric heating system can quickly heat a home, until a furnace or stove heats up. And the thermostat will detect the rise in heat and start tapering off the electric system, saving your battery for another cold start, or emergency.
I just checked. Solar panels last a very long time, but degrade, losing about 0.5% performance every year. Down to 95% effective in 10 years. 50% output in 100 years. You have to think about when performance will be minimally acceptable to you, just like with glowing Tritium watches & gun-sights.
Water wheel, wind turbine, and exercise generator bearings, it depends. I don't know how long or low maintenance heat pumps and resistive heating elements last, or how low maintenance they are.
I think the best option for my future offgrid living situation, is a woodstove battery electric hybrid system.
all good points
Wood is the way to go. Nothing comes close to it
aw yeah
Wood!
yup
Lets see the temperature coming off of a Heat N Glo 6000CLX. I’m not here for a mendoda sales pitch.
its not as hot I promise you