How real are CK3's kings of Norway, Denmark & Sweden?
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- Опубліковано 17 жов 2024
- After talking about Paganism and the Christianisation of high medieval Scandinavia in our last video, in this one we will cover the most important characters in the region and how historically accurate they are portrayed. Naturally, this will include the kings of Denmark, Norway and Sweden in the game, but we will also discuss some more minor characters.
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Sources:
Judith Jesch - The Scandinavians from the Vendel Period to the Tenth Century - 2012
Stefan Brink - Some New Perspectives on the Christianization of Scandinavia and the Organisation of the Early Church - in: Texts and Cultures in Northern Europe Volume 4
Anders Winroth - The Conversion of Scandinavia - 2012
Michael Strmiska - Ásatrú in Iceland: The Rebirth of Nordic Paganism?
Anne Eriksen, Jón Viðar Sigurðsson - Negotiating Pasts in the Nordic Countries
John Coles - The Story of Hrafnkell, Frey's Priest
John Niles - Lejre in the Modern Era: The Rise and Fall of a Myth. In Beowulf and Lejre
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Hehehe - The clip of "how danish sounds" is from a comedy scetch from Norwegian national TV-station, making fun of danish.
In Paradox's defence, when dealing with an era like 11th century Scandinavia (or especially CK2's Charlemagne era start) the records are so sparse that you might as well use the semi-mythological kings mentioned in legend because otherwise you'd have to make up fictional rulers, and you might as well use the probably-fictional character who's at least believed to have ruled this region.
Fun fact about Harald Hardrare is that here in Norway he is considerd a legedary king and one of the last competant Norweigan kings.
I loved this video espicially learning about Denmark and Sweden but I think you shuold at least mentionend some of the absolute wild things Harald did when he was younger
Anyways love your vids they are very fun and interesting to learn about new things
Also sorry for my bad english I am from Norway and my english isnt very good
Honestly while Hadrada might have been a 'greedy bastard' his adventures and life is far more exciting to read about than the other kings and lords around him
I would really enjoy seeing a video on Persia now that it's been revised in the new DLC. Great content as always!
We’re discussing a future Persia video internally atm
@@historyinbits Yakub ibn Laith is an interesting character. He was instrumental in reviving a Persian identity after the Islamic conquest
Ismail Samani too. One of the few good men in this period
The most interesting character to play as in 1066 ck3 as a Norse is Botulf Frille. He's an independent count-level asatru faith north of Sweden.
Need to check him out!
Restore the old religion!
Cool video!
One of my favourite scandinavian playthroughs was with the house of Sverker, a vassal in the kingdom of Sweden at game-start. I took over the Swedish crown as them and I even managed to win the crusade and switched to play as a Swedish king of Jerusalem. Historically they became Swedish kings and had a fierce rivalry with the house of Erik, but the Eriks doesn't exist in-game sadly
this is always one of my favorite series to pop on my recommended, its a nice bi-weekly update!
Holy fuck i did not expect that old danish language sketch! this is awesome
Please do a video on Middle East and it’s minor cultures in the Abbasid and Seljuk empires
This was super cool! Can't wait for the next one!
As a German Swede, I can testify that Danish is a parody of the Swedish language, similar to how Dutch is a parody of German
Denmark is literally older than Sweden
Glad you didn’t assign us Austrians that role ;)
As a East Frisian: South German is a parody. Dutch is at least understandable
I've always heard from Germans that Dutch is just super drunk German, but then I also have to remember Bavaria exists and they're always getting drunk.
@@Ludovicus1769Denmark and Sweden are both conspiracy theories and don't actually exist. (I am a Swede, I know I'm a lie)
Great video. Any plan of talking about the situation in the south of Italy? Lombard princes, Norman dukes, Byzantine commanders, and Muslim rulers in both 867 and 1066?
It would be nice to know if the Finnish leaders have any historical background in the 1066 start, as I know, as a Finn, that the period before the crusades into Finland is not well documented.
From my understanding, the leadership in the area is a big "shrug".
No one wrote anything down and the crusaders sure didn't document who used to be in charge.
Mostly a bunch of disparate towns and villages lead by the villagers and townsfolk themselves.
You lost me when you really had to put that Brit bias in against Hardrada. Respect this man's Varangian legacy, he was more travelled and more "viking" than even the mythological Ragnar Lothbrok.
3:00 most accurate map of Britain to date
Håkan Stenkilsson in CK3 seems to represent Håkan the Red, who was supposedly a king ruling during the time of when Halsten became king. While there is speculation that Håkan was at the very least related to Stenkil, he is not a confirmed son of his like Halsten and Inge are. Then again, the state of kings in Sweden up until the mid-1100s or even a bit later is a total mess considering the sources are few and also suck rotten beaver tails in terms of reliability.
Didn't see it mentioned in the video but the character Sven Kolsson, who is Duke of Östergötland in 1066, is the aforementioned "Blot-Sweyn" who'd take over Sweden and reaffirm the riksblot. He is also interestingly enough shown as the progenitor of the Sverkers, who would later become the royal house of Sweden for a period in the 1100s. It's also said that Blot-Sweyn is the progenitor of the House of Eric (named after Saint King Eric of Sweden) who would be house Sverkers main rivals concerning the Swedish throne during the 1100s.
Another interesting fact is that there's an unlanded courtier named Ingevald who is of the house of Bjälbo. This character is presumably based on the historically questionable "Ingevald Folkesson" who is said to have been the father of Folke the Fat, the historical founder of the (later) royal house of Bjälbo and thus the progenitor of Birger Jarl, the founder of the capital city of Sweden, Stockholm, as well as according to many historians Sweden itself due to his centralization efforts during his effective rule of Sweden as Jarl of Sweden.
I'd like to see one on Makuria, such an interesting kingdom. Coptic Christians surrounded by Pagans and Muslims managing to defeat Islam during one of it's most powerful periods.
Great video, but im sad to see no mention of Svend Estridsens numerous children (fathered outside of marriage), of which five of them will be elected as kings of denmark.
Perfekt danish at 7:50 sounds just like home ^^
Harald Hardrada had a better claim on england than Godwinsson btw
Jamtland is interesting to me. De-jure norwegian, yet independent and tribal (but also christian and norwegian culture?). There's prob no historic basis for the character himself, but surely they didnt just make up the situation itself?
Jämtland was actually independent for a couple of hundred of year in what usually considered a peasant republic. It was a bit democratic and from what I read it was settled by Norwegians fleeing from Harald Fairhair.
@@Coteoki that's cool!
@@CoteokiCan confirm, just read the Heimskringla which states exactly this, it was settled by Kjetil Anund Jamte (hence the name) from Sparbufylke in Trøndelag fleeing the tyranny.
7:53 As a dane, i can confirm we sound like that.
I can reaffirm this statement
Phew, good, our research was sound then
Kamelåså!
Will always appreciate some dane-bashing. Good video as always 👌
Thank you!
Svensk djævel
I see some hate against Chad Hardrada
Very nice
Can you make a video on Bohemia next?
We feature Bohemia in one of our Holy Roman Empire videos and it’ll also be mentioned in our upcoming video on Hungary and Poland!
You forgot Sapmi and Finland
Is the independent asatru kings accurate?
Yes
@@caniblmolstr452 I mean during 1066
You can trace Svend Estridssens bloodline (sorta) all the way to the current danish king.
As a Swede I say this:
It's a Scandinavian language. You get points for trying.
Sweden mentioned!!!
Do Poland please 😊
Will be one of the next videos!
Denmark is the only of the Kingdoms with a clear and reliable lineage.
I approve of the danish language slander in this video
THIS IS SLANDER!!
I hate the new house UI...
Harald hardråde had claims on england because of a promise that he would inherit from a previous king he was also the rightful succsesor to Denmark because of Magnus he was the greatest king to ever exsist
KAMELØSE
Since you are so close to poor and wild pagan europe, i like to ask:. How would a beacon based alliance network work in ck3 ?
It is known that Finnish and Karelian people used a warning system, where beacon fires were used, when outsiders tried to invade land. Basically locals fled to the hill forts and warriors were assembled to counter invaders. In the game, i like to think this is a mechanic where the chieftain can call defensive aid all other Finnish/Karelian culture rulers, that are on their de facto homeland. The area where Modern day Finland is was so poor and underpopulated that many neighboring rulers just ignored the area and only after the 12 century area was christianized and subjugated. Would this work on a game ?
Also yes, Tolkien also studied Finnish language and history.