BATTLETECH: The Quickdraw
Вставка
- Опубліковано 16 тра 2022
- In #Battletech / #Mechwarrior there can be some designs which are largely disliked, but I always try to put them into frame. Yes, there are some mechs that I do genuinely think are awful like the #Assassin or the #Charger, but for the most part they have a role and place in the game, or a place in the lore, so I do my best to extol their virtues, rather than run them down.
I have the honour and opportunity to display the #Quickdraw today, a #HeavyMech from the #SuccessionWars, and I think you'll find that if someone says it's bad or ect, you may find that it has more teeth and more value than you might think.
Let's talk about it.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Instagram: / big_red_40k
Discord: / discord
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
#Battletech #Mechwarrior #HouseKurita #HouseDavion #HouseMarik #HouseSteiner #HouseLiao #Battlemech #SuccessionWars #Mechwarrior #Heavy #HeavyMechs #HeavyBattlemechs #Quickdraw #CatalystGameLabs #CGL #StarLeague
Note: I am not associated with the Battletech / Mechwarrior IP, and create this under fair-use. Ownership of the Battletech IP resides with several companies at this time. I support all official releases. - Ігри
"Oh shit, heavy mech, heavy me-- oh, it's just a Quickdraw."
--A common refrain between me and my friend when we were play MW5.
I can't get over how the Quickdraw, a respectable heavy 'mech in its own right, shows more the baffling decision making of certain Inner Sphere militaries. I do not know why someone would think that a medium laser and SRM platform would be a replacement for the Rifleman, but I feel the Quickdraw would truly be in its element supporting the Rifleman. The weapon loadout and jumpjets lead me to think it would be good at covering the flank of the Rifleman, while the LRM would let it engage targets at the Rifleman's preferred ranges.
Certainly better companion for Rifleman than Archer (one TRO makes that claim about Federated Suns), though I'd rather pair Quickdraw with Trebuchet or Ostsol/Ostroc. Would go well with Griffin too, if your preference is firepower over protection.
It was replacing the Rifleman by taking its place in the front line, this was during the succession wars. Sent the RFL back to the support role it belonged in originally.
Yeah its a great counterpart to the rifleman, they pair up well
I think it was originally going to come with very different weapons on the same arms. "What if we could keep the Rifleman's full 360 verical rotation while ALSO giving it Lower arm horizontal rotation at the elbow" but they couldn't mount the long range AA guns on the fancy new arms.
It's a classic case of "too many cooks in the kitchen"
when the Quickdraw came out into MWO for the first time i will never forget my first time in it.
Myself and 3 other quickdraws all stayed in a group and flanked the main group in the canyon network map we came across a lone atlas with its back turned to us, and i yelled "QUICKDRAWS ATTACK THAT ATLAS" and we all started firing on him.... i tell you i have never seen a player so angry and cuss us out so much in MWO in my life and it was great i'll never forget it
I saw it as a "here comes the calvary" mech. Play Fortunate Son and send a lance of them to dig allies out of trouble.
*Cavalry. "Calvary" is the location of Christ's crucifixion.
@@OptimusWombat thought that was Golgotha
@@NemFX same place, different language. Calvary comes from Latin, Golgotha comes from Aramaic. Either way Cavalry refers to mounted soldiers.
"Sweet Jesus, here comes the Calvary!"
@@cnkclark Nailed it!
Man it’s crazy watching all these videos and realizing the mechwarrior 5 representation is very different.
It's funny that he mentioned there was a version later that was just medium lasers and SRm's. That is what I did in mech 5. I still find it mediocre.
@@bradherbert9414I always felt like that's exactly what the Quickdraw was intended as. "Mediocre"
It's not bad at anything it does but it's also not great at it either. Its suitable, it works and its affordable
I don't hate this mech but it's always seemed lackluster to me. I figured out why last year: the entire loadout (armor, guns, jj) fits on a 50 ton chassis with no speed penalty. The QuickDraw is truly an overweight medium mech, rather than a heavy. The extra tonnage gives it slightly more physical attack damage, but per thelore (weak ankles) it's not supposed to be getting into physical attacks with mechs if it can avoid them.
This as much a flawed mech as it is a flaw in the balance of the original game rules. If only Excel existed before Battletech originally, lol
....
.... your right
Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Running down and pummeling mediums to scrap is risky but very rewarding. It’s a heavy mech meant for raiding and hunting mechs smaller than itself, the heft of the five extra tons helps it there.
IDK, at least in the HBS game, the QKD-5A is pretty good, especially once you pull out the SRM and a single jumpjet and slap in a couple small lasers and pump the rest into armor. If you do all that, you get a mech that does about 75% of the Hunchback 4P's alpha, but it moves faster, can jump, and actually has more armor. It's not quite a Grasshopper, but it'll do the job well enough until you can find one.
Yes the Quickdraw, another one of those lovable oddballs. I like how you're doing all the odd ones next, the 40 tunners the, the Quickdraw. You're not heading straight for the atlas, The Marauder, and the Warhammer.
Amen to that
Well he'd have to directly compete with Tex if he ran straight into those
HBS Battletech softened me up to a number of mechs, Quickdraw being one of them. Pro`s: by far the easiest heavy to assemble early on, works really well in a lance the game directs you to, and does not carry a concentration of expensive equipment in any one point. Con`s: really wants a good pilot to excell at what it does.
A nice mech to use or to keep one as a spare for a rainy day.
I always shied away from it. The game AI has some sort of targeting protocol, where they'll favor focusing on certain units if all other things are equal. I've noticed that quickdraws and shadowhawks both get targeted. Quickdraws for me just don't have the armor in game to take any type of focused fire.
HBS Battletech did the same for me with the Jagermech. I never liked it (I'm a Rifleman man, personally) but I got a free one in the jailbreak mission when my Centurion kicked its head in with one strike, and I used it A *LOT*.
Oh, and the Blackjack. Jesus, I love that 'mech now.
On the contrary, HBS Battletech left me completely unable to take the Quickdraw seriously, seeing as how Medusa tended to delete them the turn they appeared.
"Easy to assemble" was a drawback for me. It meant they were easy to kill, and rarely were a threat. If I'm not not afraid to fight it, why would I want to use it?
@@bradwasbrough6820 True enough, but any Mech is better in yout hands than in AI`s, plus the sheer amount of Quickdraws the game throws at you means you always have a spare.
Never been a fan of mech designs that feature one or two rear-firing weapons. Those weapons could instead add to the mech's alpha potential. They take up weight at all times, even when you don't have someone at your back, which if you're doing your job as either a pilot or commander, shouldn't happen often anyway, especially since it typically has JJ's for easy repositioning. If you want a mech that can't be flanked, just get one with a 360 torso twist. The ability to spin around and alpha strike things behind you is FAR more terrifying than two medium lasers facing the wrong way most of the time.
And a one-shot SRM4. Ugh. I dunno who THAT idiot was but I'll bet he got sacked.
I heartily concur.
They work better in campaign using total war rules, for sure.
@Warlok Ehhh, I suppose it might be a minor deterrent to a light that's lightly armored enough AND isn't good at dodging them but I'd still rather focus my forward firepower enough to knock something off my target with every trigger pull. Your mileage may vary I guess.
If you play against hovercraft/light tank spammers, it's actually really useful.
Most of the time, mechs that that have rear weapons have enough forward firepower that they cannot sustain the extra heat. Theses mechs are often breakthrough designs that favor all around protection and combat ability for that deep strike ability.
At least in HBS Battletech, I covered it in medium pulse lasers, the highest end small lasers, and jump jets and made it my most glorious one-on-one backstabber. Couldn't find a good use for it otherwise.
Just not survivable enough for incremental scouting potentially and doesn't have the load out layout to harass that well.
Just found you, and gotta say I’m enjoying and will enjoy the hell outta these videos
The Quickdraw is a mech I enjoy in spite of its flaws (except the one model with a one-shot SRM-4, which is a really stupid weapon and should be replaced with something else). I like fast heavy mechs generally, from playing them in Mechwarrior games, so stuff like the Quickdraw and Dragon are right up my alley.
That said, I think I prefer how Mechwarrior portrays the mech over how the tabletop game does it, for one reason alone: the rear-facing medium lasers are turned around to face forward, I don't like rear-facing weapons on mechs unless it's either something big and slow (like an Atlas) or a dedicated brawler. I'm a much bigger fan of having four forward-firing medium lasers. One custom Introtech variant I've run before has that done to it, but also removes the SRM-4 in favor of upgrading the LRM-10 to an LRM-15 and giving it two tons of missiles, turning it into a competent fire support mech that can also do a bit of brawling.
I also developed a custom variant that I think solved most of its problems at the sacrifice of maneuverability. First, I pulled out the missile launchers and replaced then with an LRM 15 with 2 tons of ammo. Second, I removed the jump jets, added 2 more forward medium lasers (for a total of 6) and 3 additional tons of armor for a total of 11. These changes gave the Quick Draw much more credibility in fire support and brawling. It also proved to be a decent bodyguard to mechs like the Rifleman.
The one shot weapon is ridiculous.
Oneshot SRMs are just an inferior version of Rocket Launchers.
@@DIEGhostfish Exactly. If that one-shot SRM-4 was replaced with an RL-20, it'd actually be a pretty decent loadout, because even though one of its weapons only gets one shot, that shot is going to HURT.
@Warlok And quad mechs without turrets, because they can't torso twist to shoot something behind them.
I feel like there should have been a Quickdraw Omni design. Being a generalist machine and having good speed, flexible weapon options would round out the design.
Paired with the Rifleman huh? I always like pairing the QuickDraw with the Dervish or Trebuchet in fire lances.
I like the Quickdraw's design from MWO, but 60 tons is suboptimal for jump mechs, 55 tons is the sweet spot given the weight difference in jump jets from light-medium to heavy. However, if you remove the jump jets it can be a pretty damn good generalist design, freeing up tonnage for much needed armor, while having LRMs for long range and indirect fire, SRMs for crit seeking, and enough MLs to deal some serious damage in close without overheating, not to mention 6 point punches which can 2KO any other mech.
Also you joke about it drawing a 6 Shooter, but later designs do use Handheld Weapons, one of which is a RAC5, six shots a turn.
If you take out the jump jets, the 60 ton frame is the best 5/8 chassis you can get.
Why would you ever run both SRM's and LRM's on a build in MWO
The IV was the first hero mech I got in MWO and it also happens to be one I like using most.
That dual MRM build is still one of the nastiest things out there when you turn a corner in Solaris City and it's standing right in front of you.
A fun kurita lance from back in the day.
Quickdraw, 2 dragon, and a jenner.
Looks goofy on paper, but try it out.
Lots of fun in older tech games.
I will never touch this mech with the exception of the 5A, 6 medium lasers and an srm4. Drop jump jets for more armor, and it is a good brawler for it's tonnage in MW5.
Buddy in the front on the left: "It's right behind me isn't it?"
My absolute favorite mech from MW5. It’s in game model I think looks very clean and cool. Like you said it’s also such a versatile design that can be built so many different ways. I totally agree with your statement that’s it’s a “heavy” medium mech, and I think that’s why I love it.
I've fought and piloted these in MW5: it's impressive. Virtually a Clan mech with it's combo of speed and firepower, it specializes at nothing but is good at anything. Fighting one of these is dangerous if you're in a lighter mech, and they can give bigger mechs trouble.
My build: an SRM2 or Streak SRM2, an LRM5 and the four lasers; remove the jump jets. You can add more heat sinks and more armor while not seriously reducing its punch.
Literally the only thing I do, is point the rear lasers forward. It's a good, effective Mech.
or drop them in favor of extra armor or heat sinks for the same tonnage
Huh. The Quickdraw. I tend to forget it exists. Heck, I forgot I was a heavy mech! Don't love or hate it. Looks cool sometimes, though.
The Quickdraw, as the name suggests is designed for first strike in mind, another scary mech if you suddenly moved or jumped into its close range line of sight in a city.
One of the house rules I always kinda played with was that all rear firing weapons were front firing unless stated by the player they actually wanted them that way.
Realizing that changes my perception of a couple mechs like the QuickDraw here.
The Zeus with another forward MedL changes a bit also. Ostsol I think is a good design with it's two MedL firing back though.
Not a bad rule to use. I can see the point of having rear-facing weapons on something that's either really vulnerable to flanking or is expected to get right into the middle of an enemy formation and smacking stuff in the face, but otherwise it's wasted tonnage. The Quickdraw isn't one of those mechs unless it's something like the 5A model.
The Quickdraw would never be my first or even second choice mech for any given situation, but it is good enough that I would still take it into battle (it's not so bad that I would run away or refuse to engage in most situations).
Die Qucikdraw is a another off my favorite Mechs. Admittedly I've never played the tabletop, but at least Mechwarrior 3, 4 and 5. In all these games the Quickdraw is a very versatile and absolutely good mech that can fill many roles.
The only time have ever had any success with the Quickdraw was during an cannon lance event where I ran 2 of them with a Falconer and I think it was a Bushwhacker. That was the lance of one of the villains from the novel Flashpoint. I did pretty good overall. But let's be honest, that was because of the Falconer not the Quickdraws. But they did way better than I expected them to. The biggest kill they scored was taking down the main villain from the Archer's Avengers books in his Salamander.If your wondering, I got put down by the guy from the FWL dark age books piloting a Warhammer 2C. I think he was a prince or something in those books.
Just for giggles I made a lance of 4G's in MW5. I equipped them all with inferno srms just to be able to quickly run in and shut down entire lances. Works pretty well for the most part but struggles a little against large tank squads and air attacks because of the infernos
The quickdraw is a naked mech :-) it gets so hot you best be naked when piloting to stop some cooking problems :-) a decent brawler especially against mechs smaller than it...also great at defending the support mechs, mobile enough to get itself between them and the aggressors :-) could do with more armour to be fair but what mech doesn't :-) great overview as always :-)
Competing with Jenner and Hunchback 4P for the "ha ha medium laser goes pew!" award.
quickie my beloved. very fun in battletech vidya
Always take advantage of the hyper-extending actuators quirk when possible. Firing four medium lasers at a light pilot who has just realized attempting to flank was a bad idea is always hilarious.
Never underestimate the QuickDraw. It’s an odd machine but I have always found it reliable. Though I’m a Marik man, I do enjoy the Kurita take on the machine.
Another good all around design since the star league. As a replacement for the rifleman I don’t see that happening, I see this machine as a another type of fire support like the house davion’s dervish. But to its credit, effective design for house kurita especially the hit hard and fast units like the proserpina hussars or the an ting legions. A good video. Keep cranking out the material!
I've always loved the Quickdraw (usually the -4H and -5A) in Succession Wars era play. It might get outshined once newer tech comes along and it doesn't quite keep up, but in the Succession Wars era, it really shines as a generalist and fast heavy option.
The Toyota Camry of Heavy Mechs.
Like a lot of light mediums, the Quickdraw is generally outclassed by the heavier mediums IMO. It has nothing that hits hard, but it has variety to support and move well at all ranges. The rear lasers make me think it would make a good city fighter. Plus if I remember correctly it can arm flip, which is odd given it has lower arm and hand actuators. Making it more dangerous to approach from the rear than the front.
Depends. It can really do a number on a lot of 50 tonners. Like, I love the Centurion, but the CN9 is going to get its ass kicked by a Quickdraw.
The Quickdraw was the first heavy battle mech I ever went up against in the video game so it has earned a special places in my favorite mechs in Battletech for that
Let me guess: video game in question is HBS BATTLETECH
@@mattikuokkanen yup had some spare cash and it was on special so
@@connorriggs1518 Good choice. Better game is MegaMek (not in gfx though). MegaMek is accurate video game replica of BattleTech miniature game (on hex maps) and has most everything miniature game has: infantry, vehicles, submarines, fighters, spacecraft (in space even!), artillery, and more. Game is free, but you'll need Total Warfare rule book to play it, or guidance from experienced player.
When circumstances allows, I like to put Quickdraws into medium skirmisher or flanker lances. The speed compliments many 50-55 ton Mediums. Or, if I'm putting together a heavy lance intended for harrying and maneuver. Decent speed and the jump jets added flexibility.
Not having a srm6 at the hip/arm was a missed opportunity.
I donated to your live stream the other day. You may remember me? If not, no worries. I’m glad this 51 year old Atlas pilot found your channel. I subbed.
I was looking for any videos you might have done about the Atlas and haven’t found anything yet. If you’ve yet to do an Atlas video all I ask is you do it justice. Don’t forget to mention General Aaron DeChavelle or Kerensky in the video. I want to see an Atlas video finally done right about the mechs importance in the Amaris war. Thank you young man.
I do remember! The name is memorable as one of my favourite characters is Mr. Sinister :)
There will be an Atlas video eventually, we're just going through these in order.
@@BigRed40TECH Ty young man. Just do it like you do your other videos; with obvious care and professionalism and mention it’s history. The mech was so pivotal. I’ll even make a good donation after the video in thanks.
Enjoyed, thanks !
The Quickdraw is an ok generalist that never received a decent update. The 5M is oversunk, as is the 5K, and the 4 series do ok in the Succession Wars but suffer once Star League tech becomes widely available. Most of this can be blamed on intentionally bad engineering and the design of far better unis to fil its roles. This is a sad state of affairs, as a simple application of light engine, DHS and ferro-fibrous with a Streak 4, 4 ER Mediums facing front, and CASE with Artemis for the 10 Rack make it capable of being far more competitive for the 3060 plus battlefield. It's too bad the PTB never realised this and saddled us with a line of garbage refits for a mediocre design. Ah well. That's why we have the Flashman and the Grasshopper...
The quickdraw is pretty solid my first heavy in BattleTech the game after a while other Heavies and assault outshined it so I mostly use it for a fill-in now when others are under repair it gets the job done I use for medium lasers and to ppc's for a long-range damage dangerous that close medium and long totally solid but yes it's not super great in one particular category but when I fight them they're not as scary as some other Heavy's but will definitely regret not focus firing them down they can easily rip through armor and tear off limb and weapons which would be super horrible overall I would say Quick Draw is pretty good
i think the quickdraw is a great support/support mech you cann support a brawler you can be placesd between the front and the artilery units you can move fast cover flanks of things like riflemann archer all that
if you have nothing to support you can harrass on your own
a real good allrounder but not good when stand allone
or punshing up
but and thats the biggest BUT when you are doing battles with bv system all jump jets are much to expencive
Something I don't think the video touches on is that the Quickdraw lacks upper arm actuators, and can actually flip its arms over for rear attacks the same way a Rifleman is able. This lets it fire all four medium lasers to the rear after Naruto-running past an opponent, which is a lot to be hit by... although why not have all four ML in the arms where they can shoot front and back?
QD's 13 heat sinks do support a full length jump while firing two ML and the SRM... humble firepower but at least you can jump and shoot every turn.
I loved my Quickdraw starter mech in MW5, 6ML and SRM4... all forward facing because that game has no rear weapons. I stripped the JJs from it to give the machine a staggering amount of armor for its speed and firepower, and it served with distinction throughout the entire Kestrel Lancers campaign. My little joke is to rename any jetless variant of a mech "walk" like Quickwalk, Shadow Walk, Phoenix Walk....
The battlecruiser of Mechs. Outguns anything it cant outrun and outruns anything it cant outgun, while still carrying some good firepower.
I thought the Quickdraw was meant to replace the Rifleman because the lack of mechs forced them into the front lines, which lead to a lot of dead Rifleman pilots.
Probably the most argued about mech in its weight class , like you said its a generalist if you need a mech in your lance to do 'stuff' this is a fine choice .......... the 3050 versions are terrible though better staying stock until more sensible variants return
My preferred load for this mech is to leave it with four meduim lasers, two srm 6 racks and max armour...can be quite deadly up close or on the flanks.
I have a soft spot for the 5A in particular, in the HBS Battletech game. Take out the SRM 4, add a bit more armor and heat sinks, and run around bullying light mechs with 6 medium lasers and 2 small lasers to the face.
6:04 pne shot SRMs are just inferior to rocket launchers for their weight
There's really no reason for them. If a pilot is worried about ammo explosion, he only needs to load one or two salvos in a normal ammo bin and gets the same effect. The oneshot srm rules are just stupid.
I treated this thing like Banshee & Grasshopper.... Punch and spam M LASER
Never had any real luck with Quickdraws, on either my side or the other side. They always tended to get shot to pieces after properly closing to their supposed strong short range. I don't think that's a fair evaluation, but it was discouraging and led them to just be part of the inevitable generic FWL/Capellan opposition. The other big jumping mechs, the Grasshopper, Victor, and Highlander, were all solid performers. But the Quickdraw seemed to be neither a 55-tonner Medium, or a true Heavy able to throw down with assurance.
A heavy mech that desperately tries to be a medium. I've never been a fan of this mech, mainly due to it's less-than-adequate heat control and it's baffling weapons package. A rear-firing SRM4?? WTF? If the design has to be surrounded in order to make use of all its weapons, it's a bad design. Speed and jumping abilities are pretty decent, but the heat generated by them prevent it from capitalizing on a vulnerable opponent. I've seen Quckdraws get shot to pieces more times than not, and usually by the very lighter targets it was sent to intercept in the first place.
Overall, I give this a D+ grade at best.
I see this Mech as the filling the role that the Charger was intended to do
As long as you add more armor and sacrifice some Firepower
The base variants would be easily killed by the Griffin.
i dont remember the name of the variant but i think the one with a 6 medium lasers and a CT SRM-4 is very fun :)
dont have it yet but i've used in MW5 and that thing tears mechs apart
if only MW5 double heat sinks were easier to obtain so it wasnt so... hot
I'm surprised that a mech whose Heaviest component was it's engine, never got an XL upgrade unless you count the apocryphal IV4 model
IS XL Engine means mech with one side torso lost, so people probably was leery of putting it on a lightly armored machine like Quickdraw.
I bet some Solaris jocks have built one though.
@@Riverlia Can't you just Up armor the hell out of it after the XL with 4 and a half ton of armour? And in conjunction with things like Endo and DHS, you could probably mount and sustain a couple of Large lasers to replace the mediums in the arms
I mean, XL becomes necessary to even try to fight Clans with mechs only...but man, it's rough treating XL mechs as disposable. Can't boat enough weapons without.
If I'm able to use total war rules, I try to have standard engines if I can get by.
@@chaosknight9131 More armor, better reactor, more weapon, DHS all mean more cost, and even tricked out QD is ultimately not the most long term investment with a known weakness (the ankle) so they probably decided to not invest that much per mech so they can build more mechs for cheap.
From MWO/Solaris Jock perspective your suggestion make sense since we only pilot one mech, and the deadlier said individual unit is, the better return we get in the long run.
However for Houses and manufacturer 2 adequate QD is better than 1 super tricked out QD.
Even famous design like Marauder does not get full weight saving gear and comprehensive overhaul like what you suggested until after Jihad with Omni Marauder.
@@Riverlia that ultimately makes sense I suppose. But what do you mean the Marauder doesn't get weight saving gear? What about the MAD-5D and MAD-5M that came out around when the Clans came around? Those got XLs and DHs
I love these in MW5
Fast draw in the Inner Sphere so reach for the sky buddy
Piloted by Matt Dillon as James arness.
What's going on here Sherriff?
We're running Franklin Sakamoto out of town.
I noticed your older stuff is for Warhammer 40K, what got you into doing battletech videos?
I've played Battletech longer than 40k. I decided to do a 5 part battletech video series a while ago while 40k was slow, and genuinely expected the videos to do poorly, and it became dramatically more popular than any of my 40k stuff. I tip-toed in a bit more and the channel blew up, so I decided to focus on BT.
This is a mech that never managed to distinguish itself for me. It's not bad, but I don't love it. It is just okay to me.
Where's the background music from? Feels really familiar, but I can't quite place it and it's driving me mad.
Mechwarrior 2 ost 2013 remake by Timothy Seals.
@@GiovaniCsK Thanks! Could've swear it was from Xenonauts or another XCOMish game lol.
I used to have a house rule and still believe it should be the rule is "No inner sphere mech can make major changes to the design.". So no changing armor amount, engine size or type without a refit kit. And only changing weapons to like designed weapons. So Ac/10 to LB10x or PPC to ERPPC.
I actually love that because it fits the lore really well. Otherwise, if schmuck mcgee can make a super death mech with billy bob in his garage, why wouldn't all the odd or bad each designs be "optimized" sometime over the bloody centuries?
Never mentioned it's ankles or it's arms flip.
I like the version that has the ECM
In a sense the Quick Draw is a 60 tonner that acts like a 50 tonner.
Yup. The entire loadout fits on a 50 ton chassis with no speed loss. It's not a bad mech, but one needs to keep in mind that its an overweight medium mech.
aside from the insanity of its relationship with the Rifleman series, the Quickdraw is like the most generic heavy mech i can think of, looks like a big simple metal soldier man, something that can be used by anyone and would be common enough to sell in fleet size.
to me, i feel the Quickdraw is the ideal heavy trooper for lower level medium goons/NPCs like taking the role of a simple but not too powerful heavy to add more weight for a medium lance or generalists. also what i dont like is how every variant is seemingly committed to have some kind of rear firing weapon, when having all the weapons pointing forward might make this have the punch it needs for a mech of its class
ironically i armed my quickdraw with murms
Not a terrible mech if you flip those rear-facing medium lasers to the front. It's got decent brawling capability, and for a fast heavy, I prefer it over the Dragon.
Of MWO teaches you anything it's that low mounts and low slung arms are bad design. Quickdraw has both and is hopelessly inadequate for the role it plays.
Yup a "generalist" which means its hard to justify bringing it unless you want a heavy that can jump. It cant support as well as a Catapult or Dervish OR brawl even against Centurion, Hunchback or Shadowhawk. A XL and DHS would improve it's firepower and speed so it can perform fast hit and run. Still it works best in uneven terrain where JJ is used to its fullest
Honestly, my second least favourite 3025 mech, after only the Shadowhawk. It is the king of meh, doubling the weight of the Valkyie for almost no gain. And the Valk isn't exactly a powerhouse.
To me, it just seems like a lighter but worse kintaro
It's heavier than the Kintaro lol
Its one of those mediocre mechs, not great enough to really want, not crap enough to induce ire.
Flipping rear firing weapons to the front is pretty standard practice, but other than that I really think it needs to drop those LRMs for some more SRMs or maybe MGs and have some tonnage left for some more armor and heatsinks. Or drop the srms for another lrm5
Good thing MMLs are a thing later on in the timeline
QuckDraw?
Yeee haaw!
I may use a clip from the old RIFLEMAN show when showing off the RFL. lol
Sigh, the Quickdraw is another mech I dont like, tis why Im here. It doesnt have enough armor or firepower of a Heavy mech, lacks sufficient heat sinks, and has limited weapon range. Like the Banshee or Charger its an example of why some things are bad ideas.
Its hilarious that its a replacement for the equally flawed Rifleman. It functions the opposite of the Rifleman. They could be complimentary if used together, covering each others' weaknesses. It totally works with Lostech and Clantech, just look at the Mad Dog, or Nova.
In the Battletech 2018 PC game its one of the first heavy mechs you can get, and one of the worst. Its made much worse as due to the changes the game made from the tabletop the Quickdraw overheats much faster and cannot knock down enemies with Laser fire. Oh and because its in the Heavy class it gets turns later than a Medium. I just used Griffins instead. Theyre better in Initiative, have lower weight jump jets(meaning more for weapons, armor, and ammo), and their only downside is slightly less maximum armor(like 7% less).
The Quickdraw was newer ment to be a replacement for the Rifleman. It was always ment to be a replacement for the role the Rifleman fillt ( as a light heavy frontlinemech ) because there was no one to do it and let the Rifleman do what it was designt to do.
This mech, as it is designed, makes literally no sense. Why?
60 ton mech with 5/8 speed:
Internal Structure 6.0 tons
300 Reactor 19.0 tons
Gyro 3.0 tons
Cockpit 3.0 tons
remains: 29.0 tons for armor, weapon, equipment
comparison to 55 ton mech with 5/8 speed:
Internal Structure 5.5 tons
275 Reactor 15.5 tons
Gyro 3.0 tons
Cockpit 3.0 tons
remains: 28.0 tons for armor, weapon, equipment
Now comes the crux: Jump Jets.
A Quickdraw adding 5-hex Jump Jets spends (Heavy Mech) 5.0 tons for it.
Any 55 ton mech only spends 2.5 tons for this.
So after JumpJets:
- a quickdraw remains with 24.0 tons for fitting
- but an e.g. Wolverine or Griffin has 25.5 tons left.
This is 1.5 tons MORE as medium design than as heavy design, with a mobility of 5/8/5
A Quickdraw build as 55 ton design instead 60 tons could have 1.5 tons more armor, or weapon/equipment, or mixture of it.
In economical terms: cheaper to produce, better to be sold.
If putting this 1.5 free tons into armor (for matching Wolvrine, Griffon, Shadowhawk)
It would surpase a Wolvrine in long range, and even might surpase it in medium range and short range firepower or at least be equal to it.
It would surpase a Griffin in medium and far in short range firepower (only lacking to a Griffin in long range).
It would surpase a Shadow Hawk in long range, medium range and short range firepower.
All at the same time by same mobility and armor protection ... as 55 ton design.
So what is good with the Quickdraw then?
Or do I oversee something? 🤔
The Quickdraw is not a replacement for the Rifleman in its intended role. The Jaegermech was the replacement for the Rifleman in it's intended role. That is the critical point- the RFL is a close air defense platform. But from Day 1 it has been used as everything BUT an ADA platform. Not a trooper, not a brawler, and use it as such it will be blown away. In those "off label" roles it replaces the Rifleman with a platform actually able to do those other jobs, and thus the Quickdraw supplements the Jaeger, and between the two of them they should relegate the Rifleman to it's intended role. In second line units and museums. And that is in 3025.
In the original TRO 3025, which I use as a primary resource:
"though designed as the most likely replacement for the RIFELMAN, the Quickdraw has never realized this aim and so remains less known than the older Riflemen Design."
@@BigRed40TECH I base my analysis on the same source. The Rifleman should go into fire lances, not line lances. The Jeagermech is also created as a replacement for the Rifleman. In that role, it works. But both suck in line lances. And everyone uses the Rifleman as a trooper because it looks good. The Jeagermech is even worse in a line lance. Two replacements for a machine, one which makes sense. The other makes sense for the role the machine being replaced was used in but never should have. The QD and JM are not interchangeable, but between them replace the RM.
@@tenchraven "though designed as the most likely replacement for the RIFELMAN, the Quickdraw has never realized this aim and so remains less known than the older Riflemen Design." -
This means when they made it, it failed to achieve what they wanted, so people found other uses for it.
This comment just made me realize that the point of the Jagermech is that its so squishy commanders will not be willing to putit in the front lines.
This explains its purpose- people kept taking the rifleman from where it was needed so procurement came up with a mech that wouldn't be "borrowed" and could stay as an air defense platform.
an awful mech made from an awful idea. It has uses as a close range interceptor but needs serious modification to reach full potential.
Love it as a brawler, take away the lrm and give it some more srms for some extra punch up close