A handy guide to Fractal Type B tray fitment for confused owners of the Define 7 XL - if you’re perplexed by Fractal’s, errr, parsimonious instructions, you’re at the right place! 🥳
I have had several people point out that this info was nowhere to be found, and someone had to do it. So there it is! I might need to refine the thumbnail to make sure people find the video when they search for how to fit HDDs into these cases.
This was a huge help. The fractal 7xl manual just says slot the trays in and screw in the corner thumbscrew. It doesn't even mention the hook, pin or rear screw.
I am glad you found that useful. It's a simple thing but if takes the end user a few minutes to figure out the mounting that means the instructions were unclear. I had to consider what to call the attachment mechanism and there it is: hook it, secure pin, tighten screw. Easy.
about a year ago I wanted upgrade my server case to the XL but did not. Because for the life of me did not know which tray's to buy. Because of that I didn't buy it. I check again and here you are THANK YOU soo much for this and the explanation.
Few, I am glad you found this video then! What system were you planning to fit into the 7XL? It's a really versatile case and it suits the server role really well. The only downside is the net cost when you factor in the drive trays, but other than that it's a solid case for that purpose.
Thank you so much!! Ive had the 7XL for ages and was so confused how to put more hdd slots. Like the manual just had pictures and overviews. I didnt realize i need to buy more parts!!!
I am glad you found that helpful. It is somewhat confusing and - let's be honest - we don't always read all the fine print when we buy items. I knew the 7XL could store a heap of drives (Linus video pop into mem.) but I also didn't realize it needed purchasing DLCs lol. Maybe the instructions are an oversight or maybe it's just assumed people will figure it out. Either way, there is a visual guide here with everything you need to know, hopefully.
I was hopeful, but I guess it's unrealistic to expect a case to come supplied with that much metal. I would not complain if a case manufacturer did that though - a case focused on delivering maximal HDD/SSD capacity out-of-the-box. Thank you for your support.
Thank you for your comment. The Define 7XL remains a solid choice for a variety of builds. I just wanted something I could load up with HDDs over time and I wasn't able to find anything with more storage space than this.
@@racerrrz You still worry about the quality of videos this much man just get a new mic and get better at editing if you want more views. Your content is pretty good it just needs a bit more work put into it for people to watch it.
@@EliezYT Thank you for your feedback. I have learnt to worry less about video quality; being too perfectionistic doesn't help. Good audio is important. I was hoping you would say my audio is much better by now - but I can always improve my gear further. If I had to list one skill that is my strongest attribute it is problem solving. Success on UA-cam is a measure of problem solving ability over time. My top 5 deductions after 2 years of making content: 1) Curiosity grabs attention - so make curious thumbnails. 2) Meet audience expectation between Thumbnail / Title / first 10secs of the video. 3) Every channel is founded on one video that "blow's up", but if you blow-up before you are ready your channel may not thrive. 4) Videos blow-up because of how they make people feel - not because of how much effort you put in. 5) Don't overthink your metrics - but use Social Blade to at least check your channel's growth - and compare your growth with channels that inspire you. High viewer satisfaction / meeting expectation / adding value nets a better outcome for your channel. Our community is slow-growing yes, and that's because I have not had a video "blow-up". But rest assured, I am improving something with each video, and in the end I trust in the process. Best to master your art before you blow-up.
@@racerrrz At this point I ain't even worried to much about my setup other than my gpu because I do many things in 1440p. However it's just all about being creative and original if you want to succeed.
thank you for this! I did see in Linus's video they also put hard drives on the top of the case, i see it in the manual as well but doesn't exactly state how to mount them. I didn't see this covered in your video but your video was very informative overall thanks!
I am glad you found it useful. Fair comment! I probably should have included the Fractal Design Type-A Universal Multibracket (FD-A-BRKT-003) in the guide (the case comes supplied with two of them). They are a simple metal plate that can adapt a HDD, SSD or water pump to cover a 120mm fan mount. I am yet to put them to use in build but they will likely hold some SSDs. I mounted one on the HDD backplane (where the large plastic cover would normally sit to cover the HDD mounting screws etc.).
man this saved my sanity. i last put hdds in my meshify 2 years ago, which has the same hdd tray section, and couldn pull out the trays anymore . i was yanking and stuff before i saw in your video that each tray has a screw from the other side of the panel which i totally forgot.
Awesome, that saved you some frustration! It's a cleaver design once you figure out all the aspects of it. I initially didn't think the drives would end up secure enough but once the contact points are latched and threaded it's a solid fit.
I am glad you find the video useful. Exactly - load it up with as many drives as you have - then expand over time. It's definitely well suited to a home NAS / server build.
Thanks for the video. The Fractal Define 7 is a nightmare to build. I've built at least 30 different PCs in my life in this is by far the most frustrating case. At this price point I expect smart solutions, but instead I stumbled upon one problem after the other. Anyone who wants to mount an AIO and have more than 2 drives look elsewhere. This case is only for clean builds with a maximum of two 3.5 HDDs and even then it's frustrating to no end. Never again will I let anyone who wants me to assemble their PC pick Fractal.
It sounds like your experience was less than ideal. That may shift the 7XL's usefulness more towards catering for home server builds where the goal is to have a heap of storage drives. It does give me server vibes from the design elements - rather than a modern gaming tower where the focus is often form over function. Overall I found it to be a versatile case due to all the configuration varieties that it allows. The HDD tray design does create expansion limitations - but I would expect that to be the situation in many case designs. I presume the logic is that a system with 20+ storage drives would not seek to run a large GPU or water cooling. Getting all the HDD trays as an additional expense was a tad annoying - especially when the previous generation of case (XL R2) came supplied with all its storage bays. In terms of panels that cause frustration, I just leave them out lol. All the plastic covers that create a neat visual appearance I leave out. Putting those limitations aside I have not had too many grievances and I would by another one for future home server builds.
I've got the meshify 2xl and was just scratching my head over this very problem.....the case looks identical inside to the one you're working on...thanks for the pointers
Awesome, I am glad you managed to find the video. I wasn't sure it would come up if people searched but it sounds like it did. The Meshify 2XL is similar which helps. It shouldn't be that difficult to figure out how to get those HDDs fitted but it's not all that intuitive lol. Once I figured out how to fit that metal brace it worked out ok on my first round through the case. Good luck with your setup!
the only thing unclear for me is then how many "Hard Drive Tray Kit - Type B 2 Packs" are necessary to enable all the lateral slots? and can I fit 1 Hard Drive Cage kit - Type B next to the power supply??
I gave my total HDD count in the video (4:20) - to recap: 14 Trays + 2x2 Lower HDD Bays = netting 18x 3.5" HDDs without getting overly creative on mounting locations (which matches up with Fractal's official statements). The case comes supplied with 6x 3.5" trays, 2x 2.5" SSD trays and 2x Multi-use trays. So technically you would need 5x HDD - Type B Kits (so 10x 3.5" slots to fill) to populate the full system. And naturally you could get creative to find more methods to mount more HDDs. In terms of a cage kit next to the PSU - I would say no because the case wasn't designed with that in mind, plus the PSU cable routing will obscure the area. Assuming you have a modular PSU, there will be several cables that will be routed into the gap between the HDD bays (mounted in the lower chamber of the case) and the PSU. The lower HDD bays have the ability to move around (you'll see the "rails" in this video's thumbnail). If you removed the front lower fan and shifted the HDD bays over you might clear enough space for an additional set of HDD trays but you'll need to modify the case to allow mounting them.
Very helpful video. But where did you found that little screw for the back of the tray? You're mentioning it at about 5:30 Is it included in the tray's package or in the accessories pack of the case?
I am glad you found the video useful. The screw should be included in the sealed bag with the tray and there will be a set amount included with the case. They are the smaller screw in this package: www.fractal-design.com/app/uploads/2020/02/7-HDD-Tray-BK-3-scaled.jpg The long screw is for the drive mounting - plus they accommodate the vibration grommet. Actually - you make a good point! Maybe it was an oversight but I don't see any supplied screw for that rear mount! I used one of the smaller screws but they would be for SSD mounting. Which leads me to conclude there is no hardware supplied for mounting the tray... I'll need to check but I don't think I have any un-opened trays to check with.
@@racerrrz so, it's the same screw we are using on 2.5" drives. Thanks a lot! By the way, it would be super useful if you could do a video about the mounting of the bottom fan, because there is no clear instructions on the manual. Same for the ability to mount a hard drive to the top of the case, instead of a fan. Finally, I want to mention that the 3 top slots for the trays are closer to each other, compared to the rest. You can still fit 3 trays on these slots, but you have to mount 2.5" drives on these 3 trays
@@NilosPsathas Nice, thank you for sharing your experience. Honestly I did not expect this video to do all that well, but given the response here I will need to consider going back through this case to cover everything there is to know. I have not attempted to fit a fan to the bottom of the frame but I would expect some dedicated mounting holes - however, I would expect it to conflict with the dual HDD bays. As you mentioned, the actual placement of drives around the case is also difficult to find online. The multi-function bracket is the key to that function. I have plans to film some new upgrades to my HP Z440 case swap into the Fractal Define 7XL which I have set up as a home server. I'll see if I can capture some dedicated footage for the more technical aspects of the case for a future video.
Fair point. The lower two bays use the same principal (they are the same tray design) but they lack any use of the rear hook, pin and rear screw. So they are more of a classic HDD tray - slot the tray into the bay - slide all the way in until flush and secure the front thumb screw - done. The upper trays require the rear mounting concept because there is no securing brace on the left margin of the trays - leaving them rather unstable until secured with a rear screw.
Thanks for posting, I'm throwing together a server from all the old HDD's in my house and I thought to check all the videos you named lol- I just got my eureka moment of realizing the funky offset screws aren't there to let my drive rattle around, I gotta grab all those little antivibration kajiggers to keep it all in place 😂
Nice, it sounds like you have landed on the right application for your old hardware. In all fairness it's not normal for there to be more than a simple screw for HDDs - a new hardware mounting mechanism only catches you out once. Filling a case up with rattly HDDs would be great way bring the case to life - it may well more around on it's own accord lol. I am glad you found benefit in the videos.
@@racerrrz well for me I've been ignoring this stuff because ever since I could afford it, I've been SSD or bust- especially with the advent of NVME gumsticks
@@PanderingSlats That's fair. Right now I feel like I am ignoring storage because storage prices have bumped up higher than I am willing to pay. Bring back affordable NVMes and I may get some upgrades done.lol. But that does leave a great opportunity to dedust old neglected hardware to find new applications. I combined numerous small NVMes that I had into a RAID 0 pool to give some fast, but unreliable, storage on the cheap - sunk cost and all that.
@@racerrrz I'm neurotic about storage personally; I'm up to 10 TB collectively in NVME's and about to add another 4TB stick (I'm big on archiving and A/V production). I've always been comfortable splurging on SSD's, just that I aim to spend 1 to 3 hunno USD at a time. Speaking of which, I oughta retrieve one I left at a friend's house almost a year ago 😦
It's something we can't live without and as soon as you get extra storage you can already start ordering your new storage lol. Nice. I am using a 8TB RAID 0 pool for my video editing and it was an absolute dream from a performance and productivity perspective. Naturally 8TB has wound up not being enough - and some storage on SSDs and even, cringe, HDDs, does sometimes make it's way into the editing process. But hands down the NVMe pool is the way to go - with a HDD backup to make up for the lack of redundancy of course. I have a bunch of NVMes floating around also, most of which I use in USB adapters for some quick file transfers between systems - when on the go anyhow.
I have it as 14x 3.5" drives in the upper trays, then an additional 4x 3.5" drives in the lower dual tray bays, netting a total of 18x 3.5" HDDs. There are still the accessory braces which should net an additional 2x 3.5" drives + 2x 2.5" drives OR 4x 2.5" SSDs (2x SSD braces and 2x multi-function braces).
If you get creative with the mounting you should be able to fit a large number of 2.5" Drives. I did wonder if the 3.5" HDD trays could support both a 2.5" and 3.5" at the same time (one mounted at the top and one at the bottom). I suspect it will work - but 3.5" HDD clearance on the lower draw might be an issue then. But the easiest method will be the stack 2.5" HDDs with double sided tape. Two per tray is possible - 4 per tray could work but getting them connected to SATA Power and Data cables would likely be an issue. The most effective method for 2.5" SSDs that I had found so far was using 5.25" Bay adapters that could house 6x SSDs. The 7XL has two 5.25" Bays which would give space for at least 12x SSDs (they would obscure at least 2x HDD tray mounts however). For a quick overview of the 5.25" adapters I traced (lots of version in the video description): ua-cam.com/video/ldDnBx_n2n4/v-deo.html The adapter that I settled on (4x Bay SSD adapter): ua-cam.com/video/ZczhWw834GU/v-deo.html
You'll be just fine with the system for that setup. Out of the box you will receive 6x HDD trays (suit SSDs also) + 2x SSD brackets + 2x Multibrackets (suit HDD or SSD but mounted where a fan would normally reside). If you want more than 6x HDDs and ~4x SSDs you'll need the Type B - HDD trays.
That’s fair enough but you didn’t cover the main problem - how do you fit the panel in the first place. I just can’t work out how you get that panel in place.
I hear you there. I will need to revisit this case to do justice to all the technical aspects. I'll see what I can film on it while I have my server build torn apart while on the hunt for a boot error.
The 7XL and Meshify 2XL case design is very similar. The case metal is painted which makes the thumbscrews difficult to fit on first application. I would recommend using a Philips screw driver the first time you go to fit a tray. Make sure the screw and screwdriver are perpendicular to the screw hole and lightly rotate clockwise. Moving clockwise 90 degrees and then backing out usually helps to remove the resistance that the paint creates. Providing you have received the right tray it should fit! Let us know how you get on.
Thankyou for this video (new subscriber). I thought I was being an idiot because I couldn't see how the sleds went in at all! The Define is a great case but the instructions are awful and as you say. very few useful resources on the web..
Thank you. It is confusing until you solve the paradox that is fitting one sled, then it all makes sense lol. I am glad you found the guide helpful. I didn't expect this video to track well given the simplicity of the idea "installing trays", but clearly there is a need. I may need to do a follow-up video with actual HDD/SSD fitment and then powering the drives. That's usually also glossed over.
complains about other creators not showing how to configure the case in their videos. when it comes to showing how he got 29 drives in this case no image is shown
Hi there. Thank you for your feedback. I created this video only because viewers requested specific guidance on how to fit the drive trays. I am considering doing a revised video with more detail specifically on how to install and power the drives - because as you would agree - most creators neglect to even show you how to connect all those drives. I do technically cover it in my HP Z440 Case Swap Guide video (into the Fractal Define 7XL), but I realize that most people will not have the patience to watch a 31min video only to look for how to install drives. For reference (HDD fitment at 18min 28 sec in this video): ua-cam.com/video/K4RalaEbRI4/v-deo.html For a relatively current image of my build: preview.redd.it/z440-sata-power-v0-ilvj7prh8yzd1.png?width=2500&format=png&auto=webp&s=67330c8a49db8548f26d169db1d5df0a721cb2e4
Your point is valid - the instruction manual has this information in it. A somewhat surprising detail, but studies have found that only ~25% of people actually read instruction manuals. (reference: academic.oup.com/iwc/article-abstract/28/1/27/2363584?redirectedFrom=fulltext&login=false ). That leaves 75% of people more likely to get confused when working with devices that are new to them. Now you could assume that those individuals will read the manual when they run into issues, and I am sure manufacturers and most content creators assume this, but the reality is that there will still be some individuals that neglect to check the manual when they get stuck. I only made this video because I had several comments asking specifically for it over the last year, and I could not find the answer on UA-cam, - so this video is dedicated to help those who live on the life-is-too-short-to-spend-it-reading-manuals vibe. Lucky for me I read instruction manuals for the fun of it - and I usually assess how effectively the process was explained - call it a habit of my education. But the real problem here is why do people choose to ignore instruction manuals? If manuals changed their focus to be more captivating a broader audience would take the time to read them.
I’m the guy who originally encouraged Racer to make this video after watching Fractal’s official video and reading the instructions and finding them hopelessly lacking in detail. How exactly do you fit the trays properly? How do you access the other side (removable panel, it’s not shown on their video). I had to scour the internet for help because their vague instructions didn’t actually supply useful guidance and found the solution in a Reddit comment after much searching. So yes, this video was very much needed!
A handy guide to Fractal Type B tray fitment for confused owners of the Define 7 XL - if you’re perplexed by Fractal’s, errr, parsimonious instructions, you’re at the right place! 🥳
I have had several people point out that this info was nowhere to be found, and someone had to do it. So there it is! I might need to refine the thumbnail to make sure people find the video when they search for how to fit HDDs into these cases.
This was a huge help. The fractal 7xl manual just says slot the trays in and screw in the corner thumbscrew. It doesn't even mention the hook, pin or rear screw.
I am glad you found that useful. It's a simple thing but if takes the end user a few minutes to figure out the mounting that means the instructions were unclear. I had to consider what to call the attachment mechanism and there it is: hook it, secure pin, tighten screw. Easy.
about a year ago I wanted upgrade my server case to the XL but did not. Because for the life of me did not know which tray's to buy. Because of that I didn't buy it. I check again and here you are THANK YOU soo much for this and the explanation.
Few, I am glad you found this video then! What system were you planning to fit into the 7XL? It's a really versatile case and it suits the server role really well. The only downside is the net cost when you factor in the drive trays, but other than that it's a solid case for that purpose.
Thank you so much!! Ive had the 7XL for ages and was so confused how to put more hdd slots. Like the manual just had pictures and overviews. I didnt realize i need to buy more parts!!!
I am glad you found that helpful. It is somewhat confusing and - let's be honest - we don't always read all the fine print when we buy items. I knew the 7XL could store a heap of drives (Linus video pop into mem.) but I also didn't realize it needed purchasing DLCs lol. Maybe the instructions are an oversight or maybe it's just assumed people will figure it out. Either way, there is a visual guide here with everything you need to know, hopefully.
@racerrrz for reals. I really thought everything would come bundled. Thanks again. I appreciate you!
I was hopeful, but I guess it's unrealistic to expect a case to come supplied with that much metal. I would not complain if a case manufacturer did that though - a case focused on delivering maximal HDD/SSD capacity out-of-the-box. Thank you for your support.
Built my first server off of an old PC. Chose this case as well, loved this video.
Thank you for your comment. The Define 7XL remains a solid choice for a variety of builds. I just wanted something I could load up with HDDs over time and I wasn't able to find anything with more storage space than this.
Man that's a huge "Homework" folder mate.
That's one of many "homework" folders. Video files are taking up a bit more space than I intended. Everything is always full.lol
@@racerrrz You still worry about the quality of videos this much man just get a new mic and get better at editing if you want more views. Your content is pretty good it just needs a bit more work put into it for people to watch it.
@@EliezYT Thank you for your feedback. I have learnt to worry less about video quality; being too perfectionistic doesn't help. Good audio is important. I was hoping you would say my audio is much better by now - but I can always improve my gear further.
If I had to list one skill that is my strongest attribute it is problem solving. Success on UA-cam is a measure of problem solving ability over time.
My top 5 deductions after 2 years of making content:
1) Curiosity grabs attention - so make curious thumbnails.
2) Meet audience expectation between Thumbnail / Title / first 10secs of the video.
3) Every channel is founded on one video that "blow's up", but if you blow-up before you are ready your channel may not thrive.
4) Videos blow-up because of how they make people feel - not because of how much effort you put in.
5) Don't overthink your metrics - but use Social Blade to at least check your channel's growth - and compare your growth with channels that inspire you.
High viewer satisfaction / meeting expectation / adding value nets a better outcome for your channel.
Our community is slow-growing yes, and that's because I have not had a video "blow-up". But rest assured, I am improving something with each video, and in the end I trust in the process. Best to master your art before you blow-up.
@@racerrrz At this point I ain't even worried to much about my setup other than my gpu because I do many things in 1440p. However it's just all about being creative and original if you want to succeed.
thank you for this! I did see in Linus's video they also put hard drives on the top of the case, i see it in the manual as well but doesn't exactly state how to mount them. I didn't see this covered in your video but your video was very informative overall thanks!
I am glad you found it useful. Fair comment! I probably should have included the Fractal Design Type-A Universal Multibracket (FD-A-BRKT-003) in the guide (the case comes supplied with two of them). They are a simple metal plate that can adapt a HDD, SSD or water pump to cover a 120mm fan mount. I am yet to put them to use in build but they will likely hold some SSDs. I mounted one on the HDD backplane (where the large plastic cover would normally sit to cover the HDD mounting screws etc.).
man this saved my sanity. i last put hdds in my meshify 2 years ago, which has the same hdd tray section, and couldn pull out the trays anymore . i was yanking and stuff before i saw in your video that each tray has a screw from the other side of the panel which i totally forgot.
Awesome, that saved you some frustration! It's a cleaver design once you figure out all the aspects of it. I initially didn't think the drives would end up secure enough but once the contact points are latched and threaded it's a solid fit.
Thanks for this one. Yeah..the point with that case, is A LOT OF HARD DRIVES !!!!!!!!!.
You show how its done. Thumbs Up 🙂👍👍👍👍👍
I am glad you find the video useful. Exactly - load it up with as many drives as you have - then expand over time. It's definitely well suited to a home NAS / server build.
Thanks for the video. The Fractal Define 7 is a nightmare to build. I've built at least 30 different PCs in my life in this is by far the most frustrating case. At this price point I expect smart solutions, but instead I stumbled upon one problem after the other. Anyone who wants to mount an AIO and have more than 2 drives look elsewhere. This case is only for clean builds with a maximum of two 3.5 HDDs and even then it's frustrating to no end. Never again will I let anyone who wants me to assemble their PC pick Fractal.
It sounds like your experience was less than ideal. That may shift the 7XL's usefulness more towards catering for home server builds where the goal is to have a heap of storage drives. It does give me server vibes from the design elements - rather than a modern gaming tower where the focus is often form over function.
Overall I found it to be a versatile case due to all the configuration varieties that it allows. The HDD tray design does create expansion limitations - but I would expect that to be the situation in many case designs. I presume the logic is that a system with 20+ storage drives would not seek to run a large GPU or water cooling. Getting all the HDD trays as an additional expense was a tad annoying - especially when the previous generation of case (XL R2) came supplied with all its storage bays. In terms of panels that cause frustration, I just leave them out lol. All the plastic covers that create a neat visual appearance I leave out. Putting those limitations aside I have not had too many grievances and I would by another one for future home server builds.
I've got the meshify 2xl and was just scratching my head over this very problem.....the case looks identical inside to the one you're working on...thanks for the pointers
Awesome, I am glad you managed to find the video. I wasn't sure it would come up if people searched but it sounds like it did.
The Meshify 2XL is similar which helps. It shouldn't be that difficult to figure out how to get those HDDs fitted but it's not all that intuitive lol. Once I figured out how to fit that metal brace it worked out ok on my first round through the case. Good luck with your setup!
the only thing unclear for me is then how many "Hard Drive Tray Kit - Type B 2 Packs" are necessary to enable all the lateral slots? and can I fit 1 Hard Drive Cage kit - Type B next to the power supply??
I gave my total HDD count in the video (4:20) - to recap:
14 Trays + 2x2 Lower HDD Bays = netting 18x 3.5" HDDs without getting overly creative on mounting locations (which matches up with Fractal's official statements).
The case comes supplied with 6x 3.5" trays, 2x 2.5" SSD trays and 2x Multi-use trays.
So technically you would need 5x HDD - Type B Kits (so 10x 3.5" slots to fill) to populate the full system.
And naturally you could get creative to find more methods to mount more HDDs.
In terms of a cage kit next to the PSU - I would say no because the case wasn't designed with that in mind, plus the PSU cable routing will obscure the area.
Assuming you have a modular PSU, there will be several cables that will be routed into the gap between the HDD bays (mounted in the lower chamber of the case) and the PSU. The lower HDD bays have the ability to move around (you'll see the "rails" in this video's thumbnail). If you removed the front lower fan and shifted the HDD bays over you might clear enough space for an additional set of HDD trays but you'll need to modify the case to allow mounting them.
Very helpful video. But where did you found that little screw for the back of the tray? You're mentioning it at about 5:30
Is it included in the tray's package or in the accessories pack of the case?
I am glad you found the video useful. The screw should be included in the sealed bag with the tray and there will be a set amount included with the case.
They are the smaller screw in this package: www.fractal-design.com/app/uploads/2020/02/7-HDD-Tray-BK-3-scaled.jpg
The long screw is for the drive mounting - plus they accommodate the vibration grommet.
Actually - you make a good point! Maybe it was an oversight but I don't see any supplied screw for that rear mount! I used one of the smaller screws but they would be for SSD mounting. Which leads me to conclude there is no hardware supplied for mounting the tray... I'll need to check but I don't think I have any un-opened trays to check with.
@@racerrrz so, it's the same screw we are using on 2.5" drives. Thanks a lot!
By the way, it would be super useful if you could do a video about the mounting of the bottom fan, because there is no clear instructions on the manual. Same for the ability to mount a hard drive to the top of the case, instead of a fan.
Finally, I want to mention that the 3 top slots for the trays are closer to each other, compared to the rest. You can still fit 3 trays on these slots, but you have to mount 2.5" drives on these 3 trays
@@NilosPsathas Nice, thank you for sharing your experience. Honestly I did not expect this video to do all that well, but given the response here I will need to consider going back through this case to cover everything there is to know.
I have not attempted to fit a fan to the bottom of the frame but I would expect some dedicated mounting holes - however, I would expect it to conflict with the dual HDD bays. As you mentioned, the actual placement of drives around the case is also difficult to find online. The multi-function bracket is the key to that function.
I have plans to film some new upgrades to my HP Z440 case swap into the Fractal Define 7XL which I have set up as a home server. I'll see if I can capture some dedicated footage for the more technical aspects of the case for a future video.
This is really helpful but it doesn't show how to insert the four HDDs in the bottom ... how I do that?
Fair point. The lower two bays use the same principal (they are the same tray design) but they lack any use of the rear hook, pin and rear screw. So they are more of a classic HDD tray - slot the tray into the bay - slide all the way in until flush and secure the front thumb screw - done.
The upper trays require the rear mounting concept because there is no securing brace on the left margin of the trays - leaving them rather unstable until secured with a rear screw.
Thanks for posting, I'm throwing together a server from all the old HDD's in my house and I thought to check all the videos you named lol-
I just got my eureka moment of realizing the funky offset screws aren't there to let my drive rattle around, I gotta grab all those little antivibration kajiggers to keep it all in place 😂
Nice, it sounds like you have landed on the right application for your old hardware. In all fairness it's not normal for there to be more than a simple screw for HDDs - a new hardware mounting mechanism only catches you out once. Filling a case up with rattly HDDs would be great way bring the case to life - it may well more around on it's own accord lol. I am glad you found benefit in the videos.
@@racerrrz well for me I've been ignoring this stuff because ever since I could afford it, I've been SSD or bust- especially with the advent of NVME gumsticks
@@PanderingSlats That's fair. Right now I feel like I am ignoring storage because storage prices have bumped up higher than I am willing to pay. Bring back affordable NVMes and I may get some upgrades done.lol. But that does leave a great opportunity to dedust old neglected hardware to find new applications. I combined numerous small NVMes that I had into a RAID 0 pool to give some fast, but unreliable, storage on the cheap - sunk cost and all that.
@@racerrrz I'm neurotic about storage personally; I'm up to 10 TB collectively in NVME's and about to add another 4TB stick (I'm big on archiving and A/V production). I've always been comfortable splurging on SSD's, just that I aim to spend 1 to 3 hunno USD at a time. Speaking of which, I oughta retrieve one I left at a friend's house almost a year ago 😦
It's something we can't live without and as soon as you get extra storage you can already start ordering your new storage lol. Nice. I am using a 8TB RAID 0 pool for my video editing and it was an absolute dream from a performance and productivity perspective. Naturally 8TB has wound up not being enough - and some storage on SSDs and even, cringe, HDDs, does sometimes make it's way into the editing process. But hands down the NVMe pool is the way to go - with a HDD backup to make up for the lack of redundancy of course. I have a bunch of NVMes floating around also, most of which I use in USB adapters for some quick file transfers between systems - when on the go anyhow.
is that 16 3.5" drives and 2 2.5" drives? = 18? i am only going to use mostly 3.5" drives in this thing
I have it as 14x 3.5" drives in the upper trays, then an additional 4x 3.5" drives in the lower dual tray bays, netting a total of 18x 3.5" HDDs.
There are still the accessory braces which should net an additional 2x 3.5" drives + 2x 2.5" drives OR 4x 2.5" SSDs (2x SSD braces and 2x multi-function braces).
Could you fit more drives in there if they were 2.5 inch SSDs?
If you get creative with the mounting you should be able to fit a large number of 2.5" Drives.
I did wonder if the 3.5" HDD trays could support both a 2.5" and 3.5" at the same time (one mounted at the top and one at the bottom). I suspect it will work - but 3.5" HDD clearance on the lower draw might be an issue then. But the easiest method will be the stack 2.5" HDDs with double sided tape. Two per tray is possible - 4 per tray could work but getting them connected to SATA Power and Data cables would likely be an issue.
The most effective method for 2.5" SSDs that I had found so far was using 5.25" Bay adapters that could house 6x SSDs. The 7XL has two 5.25" Bays which would give space for at least 12x SSDs (they would obscure at least 2x HDD tray mounts however).
For a quick overview of the 5.25" adapters I traced (lots of version in the video description): ua-cam.com/video/ldDnBx_n2n4/v-deo.html
The adapter that I settled on (4x Bay SSD adapter): ua-cam.com/video/ZczhWw834GU/v-deo.html
Hey bro, for this case I have to buy something more, to get hdd trays? I would like to install 6 hdd drives in this case, and I dont know!
You'll be just fine with the system for that setup.
Out of the box you will receive 6x HDD trays (suit SSDs also) + 2x SSD brackets + 2x Multibrackets (suit HDD or SSD but mounted where a fan would normally reside).
If you want more than 6x HDDs and ~4x SSDs you'll need the Type B - HDD trays.
That’s fair enough but you didn’t cover the main problem - how do you fit the panel in the first place. I just can’t work out how you get that panel in place.
I hear you there. I will need to revisit this case to do justice to all the technical aspects. I'll see what I can film on it while I have my server build torn apart while on the hunt for a boot error.
I have a meshify 2xl, the thumbscrew on the tray is too big for hole. The slot and screw hole line up at the back ok. 😕
The 7XL and Meshify 2XL case design is very similar. The case metal is painted which makes the thumbscrews difficult to fit on first application. I would recommend using a Philips screw driver the first time you go to fit a tray. Make sure the screw and screwdriver are perpendicular to the screw hole and lightly rotate clockwise. Moving clockwise 90 degrees and then backing out usually helps to remove the resistance that the paint creates. Providing you have received the right tray it should fit! Let us know how you get on.
Duh! 🙄 For some reason the tray fitted ok, no Idea what I was doing wrong. Thank you!
Thankyou for this video (new subscriber). I thought I was being an idiot because I couldn't see how the sleds went in at all! The Define is a great case but the instructions are awful and as you say. very few useful resources on the web..
Thank you. It is confusing until you solve the paradox that is fitting one sled, then it all makes sense lol. I am glad you found the guide helpful. I didn't expect this video to track well given the simplicity of the idea "installing trays", but clearly there is a need. I may need to do a follow-up video with actual HDD/SSD fitment and then powering the drives. That's usually also glossed over.
Subscribing. Respect for helping out 🙂👍
Thank you for your support! Much appreciated. What are you planning to use the case for?
thumbs up
Thanks. It feels like a fluffy video but if it helps someone out with their Define 7XL it was worth it haha.
complains about other creators not showing how to configure the case in their videos. when it comes to showing how he got 29 drives in this case no image is shown
Hi there. Thank you for your feedback. I created this video only because viewers requested specific guidance on how to fit the drive trays. I am considering doing a revised video with more detail specifically on how to install and power the drives - because as you would agree - most creators neglect to even show you how to connect all those drives.
I do technically cover it in my HP Z440 Case Swap Guide video (into the Fractal Define 7XL), but I realize that most people will not have the patience to watch a 31min video only to look for how to install drives. For reference (HDD fitment at 18min 28 sec in this video): ua-cam.com/video/K4RalaEbRI4/v-deo.html
For a relatively current image of my build: preview.redd.it/z440-sata-power-v0-ilvj7prh8yzd1.png?width=2500&format=png&auto=webp&s=67330c8a49db8548f26d169db1d5df0a721cb2e4
The instructions are literally in the instructions that come with the case. Have people forgotten how to read? Ridiculous
Your point is valid - the instruction manual has this information in it. A somewhat surprising detail, but studies have found that only ~25% of people actually read instruction manuals.
(reference: academic.oup.com/iwc/article-abstract/28/1/27/2363584?redirectedFrom=fulltext&login=false ).
That leaves 75% of people more likely to get confused when working with devices that are new to them. Now you could assume that those individuals will read the manual when they run into issues, and I am sure manufacturers and most content creators assume this, but the reality is that there will still be some individuals that neglect to check the manual when they get stuck.
I only made this video because I had several comments asking specifically for it over the last year, and I could not find the answer on UA-cam, - so this video is dedicated to help those who live on the life-is-too-short-to-spend-it-reading-manuals vibe. Lucky for me I read instruction manuals for the fun of it - and I usually assess how effectively the process was explained - call it a habit of my education. But the real problem here is why do people choose to ignore instruction manuals? If manuals changed their focus to be more captivating a broader audience would take the time to read them.
@racerrrz I agree. RTFM
or watch the official Fractal Design video from 4 years ago..
I’m the guy who originally encouraged Racer to make this video after watching Fractal’s official video and reading the instructions and finding them hopelessly lacking in detail. How exactly do you fit the trays properly? How do you access the other side (removable panel, it’s not shown on their video).
I had to scour the internet for help because their vague instructions didn’t actually supply useful guidance and found the solution in a Reddit comment after much searching. So yes, this video was very much needed!