Hi I'm new to welding and this guy just answered all the questions I had. Sad to hear of him passing though at least his memory will live on and be appreciated for all time.❤
Scratch start: position the tungsten really close to the work piece without touching then drag your filler rod making contact with the work piece and tungsten this will initiate the arc without leaving any tungsten inclusion in the work piece. Passed plenty of X-Ray pipe welds using this method.
@@ifell3 "thanks for your input as well" Has anyone cobbled a way to use a stick weld conversion but have foot pedal on off for gas and electrode? Like a short whip from the welder to a box with a high amp relay and gas solenoid?
Hi, made one foot pedal that works fine ( up to now , 3 months of usage) parts: a pedal switch + plastic box+ 12v power supply from scraped laptop + gas solenoid +ATV winch relay, this beast in the link: pt.aliexpress.com/store/product/12V-Winch-Controller-Solenoid-500A-DC-Switch-4WD-4x4-Boat-ATV-Control-Relay-17-000lbs-Capacity/3079032_32822595819.html?spm=a2g03.12010108.1000016.1.632bceea1pRQ83&isOrigTitle=true
Rest in peace to a true legend of the welding world. This man taught millions of people very valuable things. He always had such a great attitude and integrity, I bet his coworkers loved him in the shop. Thanks for everything Mr. Tig, you’ll forever live on in my world and many others.
+Haz Mat I couldn't respond directly to your comment for some reason, but the torch we are using is a CK 9F with a superflex cable. You can get one on the Weld.com store here: CK 9F Torch: www.weld.com/index.php/shop-weld-com/shop-weldcom/tig-torches-air-cooled/ck9-flex-head-torch-detail Super Flex Cable: www.weld.com/index.php/shop-weld-com/shop-weldcom/welding-cables/12-9-17-replacement-superflex-torch-cable-detail
I have learned so much with you and now let's say I'm a good welder and that is helping me a lot in my job, what else can I say, just a big thank you from me and everyone here for sharing us your knowledge. once again thank you Mr tig.
Joe, Certainly you can use high frequency start and a foot control for walking the cup methods. One of the reasons we demonstrate scratch starting and no foot control is because of "field" welding. Most welders in the field have a generator which is capable of stick welding and can tig but only have scratch start available. High frequency is an expensive add-on so it is easy to see how this technique developed. good luck Mister tig
The exact video I needed at the exact time. It's been 20+ years since I've Tig welded, and that was apparently an HF starting unit. My current Tig is a lift start. I didn't know that.
As a beginner I started out trying to scratch start, I watched this video then looked at my machine and see it as lift start and HF start settings, wow I can not wait to get back to my shop and try HF start
Just a suggestion or request. Maybe include a window inset in the corner of the screen while you are welding so we can see what your foot is doing at the same time you are making a motion with your welder.
Lol no proper welders use a pedal mate! Only hobby welders or people who think they’re welders…. Don’t believe me? Go onto any Powerstation, petrochemical refinery etc etc anywhere where proper welding is done
@@cornellkirk8946 Im a noob but doesnt Tig welding require a pedal? If it doesnt need the pedal then what is the purpose of the pedal and why do the welders come with one if they dont need to be used? Watched a few videos on Tig machines and no one ever mentioned not using the pedal so you got me curious.
@@ChristopherJones16 hi mate, no you don’t need a pedal at all. Your welders will work perfectly fine without. Plus imagine your not sat at a bench, how will you use a pedal then? It just adds a totally unnecessary variable into the mix. Your set already has your slope in/out even when I was doing aerospace no one used pedals! Not needed on modern sets :)
On scratch start you can also start the arc with a filler rod then do your weld lengthen the arc then snap out of the weld not to leave any fish eyes or tungsten in the weld if it is going to be x-rayed.
Eugene Cosentino right on. Lengthen your arc and tighten your weave while simultaneously increasing travel speed and you snap out nice and smooth. Also knock off the tiniest amount of tungsten tip after you sharpen it and you negate the tip exploding into your work on startup.
@@smirfzilla very good input here. I've only done this with welding aluminum,never thought about tungsten getting into any steel while tig welding. I'll have to remember this.
@@smirfzilla Is that what the refer to as "balling the tip"? Read on another video in the comments and the guy asked if they had to ball the tip to use the ProTIG 205. Also when you say lengthen the arc.. are you talking about pulling your hand away a little bit or is this a setting on the box you adjust? Im a noob but iirc the one video said increasing the frequency shortens the arc and decreasing the frequency lengthens the arc.. or do i have that backwards? Also the "weave" you mentioned.. is that the technique where you kinda walk the torch from side to side by rolling your wrist a little? I saw a video where they were teaching a technique like that but the video never explained what the technique was called. There was no talking.. just a short video demonstrating techniques with some text at the bottom of the screen. Sorry for all the questions. Just trying to learn as much as I can before I pick up my new Tig Monday.
HF with button start control on the torch handle is the way to go it's more fast and higher accuracy of control. Scratch start is messy contamination of the tungsten happens . Lift start would be better than having scratch.
Great video thanks. Ya live and learn. Just a welder with the scratch start. I didn’t know there was any difference until the Chappy told in the shop. Are well I’ll make it work.
I’m not a welder, but the last year pr so I’ve been working with pressure welders, and they all just use basic “scratchies” in the field. So When I wanted to learn to Tig, I asked them what I should buy, they all said, “but a scratchy, if you can lay good welds with that, you can lay good welds with anything else”... so I did, but I keep ending up with filler rod material on my tungsten, I use the filler rod scratch method the tubies taught me.
I was taught to run my filler over the tungsten and make the connection there vs trying to scratch the material with the tungsten so as not to leave the top in material
I bought a Miller STI 160 , does that mean that I am stuck with scratch start? I had a lot of problems with the TIG welder sticking to the metal and ruining the tip. Is there anyway I can get HF start or Lift Start with my machine? Or do I have to go for the higher end models?
Scratch and lift start are handy when you are working in a tight space or position where you can't use a pedal, like while lying under a vehicle. Sometimes you can't even hold the torch and reach a thumb control, and your only option is lift/scratch start.
RT S no one that’s a proper welder used a pedal! Lol I don’t think I’ve even seen one for over a decade. And that’s working within the on and offshore oil and gas, aerospace and nuclear industry....
Chris never needed it during any of the aerospace work I was doing nor did anyone else there.... must just be you. Or then again.... I bet you can’t even weld 😂😂
Fantastic. I had a feeling that was it. I have a 15 year old blue harbor freight tig/stick I never got good at tig and now I know why. I could weld a stainless eye bolt shut, did about 6 of those but otherwise all my practice never panned out. Recently however I got a lift start to try, yes welder brand and a fancy Ramsond AC tig with plasma, hope it's not junk. And I think it's high frequency I hope. Has the foot pedal so probably huh? You know my Miller Diverson never struck an arc after getting it new and I never did anything with it except let it look pretty for 15 years. I was thinking I'd keep trying on the HF and practicing and never did anything with the Miller diversion 180. Time to figure it all out. But also I'm close to setting up a welding shop for myself finally. Now Mig on the millermatic I learned how to weld and fabricate new corners on Ford F350 truck cabs, I'm a pro on the mig but who isn't? Thanks for the video ! Now I know what I was doing wrong with the scratch start.
I own an Everlast 160STH w/lift & HF, but when I try 2 lift start the tungsten seems to stick 2 the plate when I lift it up. Any thoughts on why this is happening?
I have a Miller Dialarc 250, and just picked up a Miller HF-15-1 High Frequency arc starter. What torch should I use, and what size cable to run from the HF box to the Dialarc, also what size ground cable. This setup has no provisions for a foot pedal or gas valve, so how is the current adjusted, the gas turned on and off, and since there is no pedal to start with, how do you start and stop the torch? I also have a Miller AEAD 200 gas powered welder I would like to tig with as well.
The arc of ascent is determined by the torch or the welder? Because I have a machine that is an lift arc and I do not know what to buy el arco de ascenso lo determina la torcha o la soldadora? porque tengo una maquina que es con arco de ascenso y no se que torcha comprar
Just got a cheap Chinese Infinity welder TIG200P to add support to My Hobart on February 24th and just hooked Her up today. Came with decent pedal but the HF does not initiate a start ? This is the second one We have and the other has worked well for years, almost as good as the Hobart. Just wondering if You have heard what causes this ? The pedal has nice control. I like it, just wondering what you think ? I need the HF start for sure !!
If you can only back an aluminum trailer dump up to the door and you have to be on a ladder outside welding aluminum what method would you use sir? Thanks for sharing!
we use a mod by having a spring Loaded point system that enables you To bdo a a litstart with an scratch start system . holding the point open until you release & lift . Like on a car them sort of, points . les england
So with HF start.. do you need to keep the tungsten point a quarter length away after it starts the arc? Or can you pull it away a bit when you start filling with the rod? Im a noob and just started watching welding videos today. I guess I'll soon find out that range distance after watching more intro videos. Also can a HF start welder also do the scratch start and lift start techniques, or there only certain welders that can do these techniques to start? I saw in a comment where a guy said the pros never use pedals.. So im guessing the HF welders can do a lift or scratch start or both?
I’m new to welding and bought a Vulcan Omnipro 220 that is a lift start. If I knew what I know now I would’ve saved up more funds and bought a better HF machine.
you can use HF for stick welding too. If you're too poor for gas. HF stick welding is the way to go...for beginners that is. Never worry about sticking the electrode.
i actually never realised i learned welding tig on a HF start machine.......... :o i didnt knew if you weld tig with a scratch start the chances of sticking the tungsten to the material is about the same with welding elektrodes :/ well good to know i at least am going to need a lift start if i want to have more benefit from the TIG machine i am going to get than i already have from my current SMAW machine (i am about to go buy my own tig-machine for the first time in my life... thats how i got here) (btw im a certified MIG welder, not a TIG welder lol)
herme, This video identifies a scratch start.. meaning the tungsten is "live" and when you make contact you start the amps or current flowing.. if you sweep the tungsten then you can initiate and arc but if you go straight to the part it is likely to stick. When you hear the term "touch start" or "Lift start" it is a different starting technique. These two terms mean that you actually touch the part and an arc will form immediately as you lift the tungsten away from the part... good luck Mister TIg
He stated one reason not to use HF start was due to interference with cell towers, airports? Wow, this reason is not even in the realm of something to consider! I'm an EE who does welding just for my personal projects and tons of traditional arc welding experience and when I heard this it made me cringe. The beauty of HF start is in the simplicity of getting the arc started. Just plain physics involved here: The voltage required to bridge a gap with an arc is greater on inception and can be greatly reduced once initiated. HF start requires a great deal of logic in circuitry to determine what voltage is required to 'start' the arc and then dropping that voltage down to what the user dialed-in to match their electrode and material thickness. That process is more complex and thus more expensive. The reason touch start exists is that most of that logic is removed and thus cheaper hardware. You touch the electrode and the circuitry has most of the equation solved: resistance of the ground to metal, the resistance of the metal itself, and the length of lead, etc. It then knows what voltage to apply to the electrode to bridge the gap which should be a relative constant based on the advice in the manual for a particular model. I don't have an HF rig but you can bet I won't be choosing based on interference of my surroundings! Other than this point, his opinions and training are top notch and well worth the time to view and learn.
Ski Bird no you don’t need loads of complex electronics for HF start, all modern sets just have a coil inside that induces the HF onto the torch. And yes I’ve done a few jobs where HF is prohibited. If you were a welder you’d understand this
You are reading way more into his comment than need be. If you don't weld for a living, it's probably not going to affect you, unless you live next to an airport or on top of Sandia Peak in Albuquerque.
Thanks. I needed that scratch start info. Wish I had HF but my wife thinks I have too many toys. She is right, of course. Took ownership is a slippery slope. Kind of like an adult version of If You Give A Mouse A Cookie.
Good video for welder demo, I have a question about plasma cutters: If one has a plasma cutter ordinary scratch start, what's the critical difference in the wiring to achieve high frequency/pilot arc?...Any books or info on this that you may have would be greatly appreciated. I ask because there seems to be a great deal of similarity between plasma cutters & tig welders.
I have to do weld repairs from tool clashes and operating errors on CNC lathes mills at work and have to use lift arc so I don't short the machines out....
You don't need a foot pedal, you can use trigger to do all arc initiation here too. HF can screw up car computer when using near or it. It is only on for few seconds to start arc, but can do damage. Machine on bench in garage with computer on other side of wall in den also can screw electronics up. Machine that has both lift and hf start option is best, but expensive. When using lift start, rest torch on cone sideways and use rolling action to initiate contact and start arc. Cheaper hf start machines have hf points that need adjustment and are prone to failure. Electronic hf is more expensive, but also worry free and more durable.
Thanks that was fast for an older vid. Got a Miller ac/dc stick (older) and a tig torch with a big ass bottle of argon. Don't use it much. What are my options with that setup for amp control? I'M Guessing practice but fumes bother me muchly.
It depends which machine you have if you want a foot control. I would check Miller's website to see what they recommend with your machine. Many of the older machi n especially may not work with newer foot pedals, as they are specific to your machine or brand (usually). Check out Miller's site and see what they recommend. If you want a thumb control (not recommended) you can find them on Weld.com.
@@Welddotcom hi, I have recently bought a 200amp multi function tig/ stick/ plasma. Just got a argon bottle to start tig welding and can't seem to get it welding properly. I have sharpened the tungsten tip and setting are fine but it's acting like a plasma cutter...it's set on tig so it's not that...the more gas slow I have the worse it gets...it's a HF and you can't really get the polarity wrong. The arc is rough and really hot and noisy??? What do you think.
Hey need some advice on stainless my welds look neat but they are not coulourfull they are grey in coulor i use a no9 cup and about 15_25 CFH and im using 316 L.M filler rods to SS316 fittings just want to know why they are coulorfull when i tag without the rods but the moment i add some rod it turns out grey??
Ok 1st scratch start u must learn to cross ur wire over ur tungsten and learn to flip out the fish eye, iv got over 25 years of every position welding xray welds with this method, works just fine when u learn how
I have a LIncoln c300 welder ... This welder has DC TIG capability ... the manual refers to the start method as "Touch Start" ... is this the same thing as the "Lift start" that you demonstrated?
Don't listen to the Martha Stewart welding trolls. They have big machines, big egos and small brains (among other things). Thank you for the clear explanations with examples... at least YOU are making videos. Where are the trolls vids?
Trying to see how to scratch start, but this video doesn't show the motion (2:35) he makes to start the arc!!!!!!!! Why would you cut to a different camera the split second the arc starts?
Noob here with a question: Is a foot control mandatory for HF start? I assume it is seeing as otherwise your machine will be attempting to strike an arc as soon as you turn it on. Seems approach to the work piece would be rather complicated when the arc initiates a 1/2" from it. Just wanted to be clear though.
+Mr Yota You do not need foot control, although it is what we prefer and recommend for precision work. You can also use hand amp controls, like the steady grip or rotary controls that attach to your torch.
if i am correct holding the tip in a certain angle is always needed because of control of the gas flow and also it influences how your weld is going to travel and stay (because of gravity, you always weld a bit against it, when metal gets liquid it starts to flow like lava thats why)
To bad I bought a HF start machine before watching this all the way through. Now I have a 3rd garage door opener that cost a lot of money and I can't use in my garage. Lol
Radio frequencies can cause interference with electronics. In New Mexico there are radio antennas on top of a mountin, there is also a scenic overlook you can drive to. Drivers are warned to lock and unlock cars with keys rather than fobs because due to radio interference, the fob may not unlock the car or disable the anti theft. It's also common for cars not to even start, they have to roll partway down the mountain in neutral until they are a safe distance from the towers.
Some of you may not know that Mr. TIG passed in 2022, many thanks for all the help over the years!
Hi I'm new to welding and this guy just answered all the questions I had.
Sad to hear of him passing though at least his memory will live on and be appreciated for all time.❤
oh damn :(
RIP, learned so much from him.
This MAN left his print. He will teach new generetions even after death. R.I.P. Mr. Tig.
RIP Mr. TIG
Scratch start: position the tungsten really close to the work piece without touching then drag your filler rod making contact with the work piece and tungsten this will initiate the arc without leaving any tungsten inclusion in the work piece. Passed plenty of X-Ray pipe welds using this method.
@@ifell3 "thanks for your input as well"
Has anyone cobbled a way to use a stick weld conversion but have foot pedal on off for gas and electrode? Like a short whip from the welder to a box with a high amp relay and gas solenoid?
Hi, made one foot pedal that works fine ( up to now , 3 months of usage) parts: a pedal switch + plastic box+ 12v power supply from scraped laptop + gas solenoid +ATV winch relay, this beast in the link: pt.aliexpress.com/store/product/12V-Winch-Controller-Solenoid-500A-DC-Switch-4WD-4x4-Boat-ATV-Control-Relay-17-000lbs-Capacity/3079032_32822595819.html?spm=a2g03.12010108.1000016.1.632bceea1pRQ83&isOrigTitle=true
That’s a great tip I’m gonna try that
This is the method I use all the time, works great
Yeah thats the method I do on pipe as well
Rest in peace to a true legend of the welding world. This man taught millions of people very valuable things. He always had such a great attitude and integrity, I bet his coworkers loved him in the shop. Thanks for everything Mr. Tig, you’ll forever live on in my world and many others.
3:19 lift start
4:55 HF start
+Haz Mat I couldn't respond directly to your comment for some reason, but the torch we are using is a CK 9F with a superflex cable. You can get one on the Weld.com store here:
CK 9F Torch: www.weld.com/index.php/shop-weld-com/shop-weldcom/tig-torches-air-cooled/ck9-flex-head-torch-detail
Super Flex Cable: www.weld.com/index.php/shop-weld-com/shop-weldcom/welding-cables/12-9-17-replacement-superflex-torch-cable-detail
I have learned so much with you and now let's say I'm a good welder and that is helping me a lot in my job, what else can I say, just a big thank you from me and everyone here for sharing us your knowledge. once again thank you Mr tig.
Great video and badly needed to explain simply the 3 different start systems - Thank you for taking the time to do this.
Joe, Certainly you can use high frequency start and a foot control for walking the cup methods. One of the reasons we demonstrate scratch starting and no foot control is because of "field" welding. Most welders in the field have a generator which is capable of stick welding and can tig but only have scratch start available. High frequency is an expensive add-on so it is easy to see how this technique developed. good luck Mister tig
The exact video I needed at the exact time. It's been 20+ years since I've Tig welded, and that was apparently an HF starting unit. My current Tig is a lift start. I didn't know that.
Kudos! Thank you, for the great explanation. It makes much more sense now.
As a beginner I started out trying to scratch start, I watched this video then looked at my machine and see it as lift start and HF start settings, wow I can not wait to get back to my shop and try HF start
Just a suggestion or request. Maybe include a window inset in the corner of the screen while you are welding so we can see what your foot is doing at the same time you are making a motion with your welder.
Lol no proper welders use a pedal mate! Only hobby welders or people who think they’re welders…. Don’t believe me? Go onto any Powerstation, petrochemical refinery etc etc anywhere where proper welding is done
@@cornellkirk8946 Im a noob but doesnt Tig welding require a pedal? If it doesnt need the pedal then what is the purpose of the pedal and why do the welders come with one if they dont need to be used? Watched a few videos on Tig machines and no one ever mentioned not using the pedal so you got me curious.
@@ChristopherJones16 hi mate, no you don’t need a pedal at all. Your welders will work perfectly fine without. Plus imagine your not sat at a bench, how will you use a pedal then? It just adds a totally unnecessary variable into the mix.
Your set already has your slope in/out even when I was doing aerospace no one used pedals! Not needed on modern sets :)
My everlast tig welder supports both lift start and hf start. It is nice to know when it is appropriate to use each so thank you for the explanation.
very informative and very simple in the way it was explained. thank you Sir, cheers from Poland
Thank you for this video. I learned just what I needed to know. Great video!!!!!
Thx very much Mr tig am really happy for ur explanations
thank you. very informative and answered my questions !!!
On scratch start you can also start the arc with a filler rod then do your weld lengthen the arc then snap out of the weld not to leave any fish eyes or tungsten in the weld if it is going to be x-rayed.
Eugene Cosentino right on. Lengthen your arc and tighten your weave while simultaneously increasing travel speed and you snap out nice and smooth. Also knock off the tiniest amount of tungsten tip after you sharpen it and you negate the tip exploding into your work on startup.
@@smirfzilla very good input here. I've only done this with welding aluminum,never thought about tungsten getting into any steel while tig welding. I'll have to remember this.
@@smirfzilla Is that what the refer to as "balling the tip"? Read on another video in the comments and the guy asked if they had to ball the tip to use the ProTIG 205. Also when you say lengthen the arc.. are you talking about pulling your hand away a little bit or is this a setting on the box you adjust? Im a noob but iirc the one video said increasing the frequency shortens the arc and decreasing the frequency lengthens the arc.. or do i have that backwards? Also the "weave" you mentioned.. is that the technique where you kinda walk the torch from side to side by rolling your wrist a little? I saw a video where they were teaching a technique like that but the video never explained what the technique was called. There was no talking.. just a short video demonstrating techniques with some text at the bottom of the screen. Sorry for all the questions. Just trying to learn as much as I can before I pick up my new Tig Monday.
HF with button start control on the torch handle is the way to go it's more fast and higher accuracy of control. Scratch start is messy contamination of the tungsten happens . Lift start would be better than having scratch.
silverss onyoutube no it’s not, lift arc you have to touch the tungsten to the work piece which is crap
Great video thanks. Ya live and learn. Just a welder with the scratch start. I didn’t know there was any difference until the Chappy told in the shop. Are well I’ll make it work.
Excellent video. New guy in the market for a multiprocess and had to be certain.
Perfectly explained, thanks ! Now I understand why is this bulky valve on my torch.
I’m not a welder, but the last year pr so I’ve been working with pressure welders, and they all just use basic “scratchies” in the field. So When I wanted to learn to Tig, I asked them what I should buy, they all said, “but a scratchy, if you can lay good welds with that, you can lay good welds with anything else”... so I did, but I keep ending up with filler rod material on my tungsten, I use the filler rod scratch method the tubies taught me.
Awesome explanation, thank you.
I was taught to run my filler over the tungsten and make the connection there vs trying to scratch the material with the tungsten so as not to leave the top in material
Very informative, thank you...
Exelent job mr tig!!!!!! Tx
I've never used lift start start on my everlast welder yet. Sounds very interesting.
Very very helpful
Thanks
I bought a Miller STI 160 , does that mean that I am stuck with scratch start? I had a lot of problems with the TIG welder sticking to the metal and ruining the tip. Is there anyway I can get HF start or Lift Start with my machine? Or do I have to go for the higher end models?
Scratch and lift start are handy when you are working in a tight space or position where you can't use a pedal, like while lying under a vehicle. Sometimes you can't even hold the torch and reach a thumb control, and your only option is lift/scratch start.
RT S no one that’s a proper welder used a pedal! Lol I don’t think I’ve even seen one for over a decade. And that’s working within the on and offshore oil and gas, aerospace and nuclear industry....
Chris never needed it during any of the aerospace work I was doing nor did anyone else there.... must just be you. Or then again.... I bet you can’t even weld 😂😂
Do all HF-start welders have foot pedals?
thank you for teaching me...
Excellent.
Thanks for the nice video
Very interesting! My machine has lift start, and I think it's the easiest way!
Awesome all my doubts cleared
I've been too spoiled using hf start on my everlast welder. Time to practice scratch start.
Thanks!
very useful
What model is your Longevity Tig welder, and do you compare it to any of the big name machines?
Fantastic. I had a feeling that was it. I have a 15 year old blue harbor freight tig/stick I never got good at tig and now I know why. I could weld a stainless eye bolt shut, did about 6 of those but otherwise all my practice never panned out. Recently however I got a lift start to try, yes welder brand and a fancy Ramsond AC tig with plasma, hope it's not junk. And I think it's high frequency I hope. Has the foot pedal so probably huh? You know my Miller Diverson never struck an arc after getting it new and I never did anything with it except let it look pretty for 15 years. I was thinking I'd keep trying on the HF and practicing and never did anything with the Miller diversion 180. Time to figure it all out. But also I'm close to setting up a welding shop for myself finally. Now Mig on the millermatic I learned how to weld and fabricate new corners on Ford F350 truck cabs, I'm a pro on the mig but who isn't? Thanks for the video ! Now I know what I was doing wrong with the scratch start.
Hey, what kind of torch do u use? The cable is so awesome thin and smooth!
Try the CK superflex cables. I've been meaning to get me some for my everlast welders. Once you try them you will never go back.
Thks
Thanks
Thanks for the valuable information Mr. Tig and Rest In Peace. You will be missed. 4-17-22
"Mister Tig" in these comments is dead? How do you even know him? He doesnt even have a channel?
There's also touch HF start , combo of HF and lift arc the Fronius has this feature !!!!
I own an Everlast 160STH w/lift & HF, but when I try 2 lift start the tungsten seems to stick 2 the plate when I lift it up. Any thoughts on why this is happening?
Great👍👍👍👍👍👍 information thanks ❤❤❤to jeffff
I have a Miller Dialarc 250, and just picked up a Miller HF-15-1 High Frequency arc starter. What torch should I use, and what size cable to run from the HF box to the Dialarc, also what size ground cable. This setup has no provisions for a foot pedal or gas valve, so how is the current adjusted, the gas turned on and off, and since there is no pedal to start with, how do you start and stop the torch? I also have a Miller AEAD 200 gas powered welder I would like to tig with as well.
for such an expert he’s really robbing you of confidence for that scratch start
Don’t listen-you can master it!!
i would like to thank you personaly
The arc of ascent is determined by the torch or the welder? Because I have a machine that is an lift arc and I do not know what to buy
el arco de ascenso lo determina la torcha o la soldadora? porque tengo una maquina que es con arco de ascenso y no se que torcha comprar
Just got a cheap Chinese Infinity welder TIG200P to add support to My Hobart on February 24th and just hooked Her up today. Came with decent pedal but the HF does not initiate a start ? This is the second one We have and the other has worked well for years, almost as good as the Hobart. Just wondering if You have heard what causes this ? The pedal has nice control. I like it, just wondering what you think ? I need the HF start for sure !!
If you can only back an aluminum trailer dump up to the door and you have to be on a ladder outside welding aluminum what method would you use sir?
Thanks for sharing!
we use a mod by having a spring Loaded point system that enables you To bdo a a litstart with an scratch start system . holding the point open until you release & lift . Like on a car them sort of, points . les england
Can you Lift Arc start when tig welding aluminum?
I have that same pegboard! :D
So with HF start.. do you need to keep the tungsten point a quarter length away after it starts the arc? Or can you pull it away a bit when you start filling with the rod? Im a noob and just started watching welding videos today. I guess I'll soon find out that range distance after watching more intro videos. Also can a HF start welder also do the scratch start and lift start techniques, or there only certain welders that can do these techniques to start? I saw in a comment where a guy said the pros never use pedals.. So im guessing the HF welders can do a lift or scratch start or both?
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I’m new to welding and bought a Vulcan Omnipro 220 that is a lift start. If I knew what I know now I would’ve saved up more funds and bought a better HF machine.
What if you don’t have a foot pedal for lift start? My new welder has tig and lift
Start and came with a tig torch but doesn’t have a foot pedal
you can use HF for stick welding too. If you're too poor for gas. HF stick welding is the way to go...for beginners that is. Never worry about sticking the electrode.
i actually never realised i learned welding tig on a HF start machine.......... :o i didnt knew if you weld tig with a scratch start the chances of sticking the tungsten to the material is about the same with welding elektrodes :/ well good to know i at least am going to need a lift start if i want to have more benefit from the TIG machine i am going to get than i already have from my current SMAW machine (i am about to go buy my own tig-machine for the first time in my life... thats how i got here) (btw im a certified MIG welder, not a TIG welder lol)
herme, This video identifies a scratch start.. meaning the tungsten is "live" and when you make contact you start the amps or current flowing.. if you sweep the tungsten then you can initiate and arc but if you go straight to the part it is likely to stick. When you hear the term "touch start" or "Lift start" it is a different starting technique. These two terms mean that you actually touch the part and an arc will form immediately as you lift the tungsten away from the part... good luck Mister TIg
He stated one reason not to use HF start was due to interference with cell towers, airports? Wow, this reason is not even in the realm of something to consider! I'm an EE who does welding just for my personal projects and tons of traditional arc welding experience and when I heard this it made me cringe. The beauty of HF start is in the simplicity of getting the arc started. Just plain physics involved here: The voltage required to bridge a gap with an arc is greater on inception and can be greatly reduced once initiated. HF start requires a great deal of logic in circuitry to determine what voltage is required to 'start' the arc and then dropping that voltage down to what the user dialed-in to match their electrode and material thickness. That process is more complex and thus more expensive. The reason touch start exists is that most of that logic is removed and thus cheaper hardware. You touch the electrode and the circuitry has most of the equation solved: resistance of the ground to metal, the resistance of the metal itself, and the length of lead, etc. It then knows what voltage to apply to the electrode to bridge the gap which should be a relative constant based on the advice in the manual for a particular model. I don't have an HF rig but you can bet I won't be choosing based on interference of my surroundings! Other than this point, his opinions and training are top notch and well worth the time to view and learn.
Ski Bird no you don’t need loads of complex electronics for HF start, all modern sets just have a coil inside that induces the HF onto the torch. And yes I’ve done a few jobs where HF is prohibited. If you were a welder you’d understand this
You are reading way more into his comment than need be. If you don't weld for a living, it's probably not going to affect you, unless you live next to an airport or on top of Sandia Peak in Albuquerque.
While you were demonstrating the HF start the tip went dark after you initiated the arc and came back several times. What was happening here?
Probably batteries on the lense going out.
is touch start the same as scratch start. striking first to creat an arc?
Thanks. I needed that scratch start info. Wish I had HF but my wife thinks I have too many toys. She is right, of course. Took ownership is a slippery slope. Kind of like an adult version of If You Give A Mouse A Cookie.
Wife must be support, not "opposite force"! My guess. If you like fishing, she must be first who buy you hooks.
I did some time use argon/co2 gas for mig and did tig with it, that did not work the tungsten meedle was gone quite quick, I think because of the Co2.
Good video for welder demo,
I have a question about plasma cutters:
If one has a plasma cutter ordinary scratch start, what's the critical difference in the wiring to achieve high frequency/pilot arc?...Any books or info on this that you may have would be greatly appreciated.
I ask because there seems to be a great deal of similarity between plasma cutters & tig welders.
They're not that similar
Good
On mig or stick machines are either of these types of starts necessary on steel vs aluminum welding?
way dif type of welding
I have to do weld repairs from tool clashes and operating errors on CNC lathes mills at work and have to use lift arc so I don't short the machines out....
Does anyone know why hf start stopped working? Any tips? Lincoln v270 T pulse
On lift start, what happens if you accidentally have the pedal down before you touch the tungsten? Would it act like a scratch start?
You don't need a foot pedal, you can use trigger to do all arc initiation here too. HF can screw up car computer when using near or it. It is only on for few seconds to start arc, but can do damage. Machine on bench in garage with computer on other side of wall in den also can screw electronics up. Machine that has both lift and hf start option is best, but expensive. When using lift start, rest torch on cone sideways and use rolling action to initiate contact and start arc. Cheaper hf start machines have hf points that need adjustment and are prone to failure. Electronic hf is more expensive, but also worry free and more durable.
Thanks that was fast for an older vid.
Got a Miller ac/dc stick (older) and a tig torch with a big ass bottle of argon. Don't use it much.
What are my options with that setup for amp control? I'M Guessing practice but fumes bother me muchly.
It depends which machine you have if you want a foot control. I would check Miller's website to see what they recommend with your machine. Many of the older machi n especially may not work with newer foot pedals, as they are specific to your machine or brand (usually). Check out Miller's site and see what they recommend. If you want a thumb control (not recommended) you can find them on Weld.com.
@@Welddotcom hi, I have recently bought a 200amp multi function tig/ stick/ plasma. Just got a argon bottle to start tig welding and can't seem to get it welding properly. I have sharpened the tungsten tip and setting are fine but it's acting like a plasma cutter...it's set on tig so it's not that...the more gas slow I have the worse it gets...it's a HF and you can't really get the polarity wrong. The arc is rough and really hot and noisy??? What do you think.
Whit I find odd is the display on the far right welder was not on when he went to do the last weld
Hey need some advice on stainless my welds look neat but they are not coulourfull they are grey in coulor i use a no9 cup and about 15_25 CFH and im using 316 L.M filler rods to SS316 fittings just want to know why they are coulorfull when i tag without the rods but the moment i add some rod it turns out grey??
Too cold. Add a little bit more pedal when you introduce the filler.
Please confirm lift tig can be used instead of hf or hf is necessary in certain cases
What do I do when my lift tig welder doesn't have a foot controller?
Лифт ТИГ тоже мягко зажигает. У меня аппарат 3 в 1 Сварог Реал Смарт Миг 200, там такая функция есть. Я ещё не пробовал.
having used all of them hf is the best just dont forget your ground they tend to zap you
Ok 1st scratch start u must learn to cross ur wire over ur tungsten and learn to flip out the fish eye, iv got over 25 years of every position welding xray welds with this method, works just fine when u learn how
Legend says that the gas on the torch is still on
Спасибо. Английский не знаю, но всё понятно!👍🏻
I hated tig welding at college but was only shown the scratch version I think I'm going to give the lift start a very good practice
I have a LIncoln c300 welder ... This welder has DC TIG capability ... the manual refers to the start method as "Touch Start" ... is this the same thing as the "Lift start" that you demonstrated?
herrmc Yes, it's the same.
herrmc Yes, it's the same.
Don't listen to the Martha Stewart welding trolls. They have big machines, big egos and small brains (among other things). Thank you for the clear explanations with examples... at least YOU are making videos. Where are the trolls vids?
hi tom
Trying to see how to scratch start, but this video doesn't show the motion (2:35) he makes to start the arc!!!!!!!! Why would you cut to a different camera the split second the arc starts?
I was thinking the same thing. Actually I never even knew there was such a thing as scratch starting. My everlast has HF and lift.
please talk about the machines ??
Noob here with a question:
Is a foot control mandatory for HF start? I assume it is seeing as otherwise your machine will be attempting to strike an arc as soon as you turn it on. Seems approach to the work piece would be rather complicated when the arc initiates a 1/2" from it. Just wanted to be clear though.
+Mr Yota You do not need foot control, although it is what we prefer and recommend for precision work. You can also use hand amp controls, like the steady grip or rotary controls that attach to your torch.
Hope my Hyperikon is HF start says in instruction hold tip 1/8 and fire it up
if i am correct holding the tip in a certain angle is always needed because of control of the gas flow and also it influences how your weld is going to travel and stay (because of gravity, you always weld a bit against it, when metal gets liquid it starts to flow like lava thats why)
To bad I bought a HF start machine before watching this all the way through. Now I have a 3rd garage door opener that cost a lot of money and I can't use in my garage. Lol
what does he mean "problems with frequency with air towers, computers etc" you would use liftstart?
Radio frequencies can cause interference with electronics. In New Mexico there are radio antennas on top of a mountin, there is also a scenic overlook you can drive to. Drivers are warned to lock and unlock cars with keys rather than fobs because due to radio interference, the fob may not unlock the car or disable the anti theft. It's also common for cars not to even start, they have to roll partway down the mountain in neutral until they are a safe distance from the towers.
Cool looking helmet, what brand and model is it?
ArcOne Vison Dragonfire.
Does the lift start allow pedal use for amp? control?
Yes, you can use a foot pedal to control amps when using a lift start.
No, you don't need a foot pedal for lift arc. Many people use the hand controls with lift arc.
would like to see all 3 side by side
Weren’t you the Skipper on Gilligans island?