ARE PORTRAYS BECOMING TOO POWERFUL? | Reverse: 1999 2.5
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2025
- It's not as bad as other games, but it's certainly something we should keep an eye on.
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The problem isn't portrays being strong, in my opinion, it's characters coming out essentially crippled if you don't get extra copies
Exactly. I'm actually thinking about Liang Yue even if I dont wanna skip limiteds (cuz 1 year for reruns), but her being totally unfun to use before P1 is just sooo bad. Especially for a limited with special rules, so 200 pulls or go home kinda which is super expensive for a unit that isnt even THAT meta.
Is that not what portrays being strong means😭
@@herminegranger8455 the issue is technically not yue's p1, it's p2. P1 is arguably not that useful and in the fua team she only serves as a mere DPS, hence why you would get much more value from p2. Liang yue was made for the negative status team (anan lee, noire, loggerhead) where all of their kits actually mesh perfectly and where she truly belongs. The extra round of ultimate essentially does nothing. If you care about +1 AP for flutterpage (which already is a pain in the ass to get to the green zone), just pull p1 flutter and play a dps of your choice, whether that be J, Lilya, 37, Isolde, Jiu...
Too soon
In my opinion, Noire's portrays are still borderline alright, because they only increase her damage (more ult = more dmg) and do not affect her rotation or teambuilding flexibility.
I feel portrays cross the line when they do the latter, such as with Mercuria's P1 which lets you unga bunga and still get moxie from her passive, compared to Mecuria's P0 where you need specific team members like Argus to reliably get the moxie.
Also with Marcus' P4 which doubles her eureka gain, thus doubling the cards upgraded from her passive and making it easier to trigger the bonus moxie from her passive, overall making her rotation faster.
These kind of portrays that affect rotations or teambuilding are the ones that can change the experience with the character and are too strong in my opinion, not Noire's kind of damage-increasing portrays.
I feel that the type of portrays from acceptable to concerning are:
1. Boring portrays: increase damage by simple increase in multiplier (eg. Voyager)
2. Sweet-spot portrays: increase damage by increasing stacks/chance without affecting rotation/teambuilding (eg. Noire)
3. Bad practice portrays: improve rotation or teambuilding (eg. Mercuria P1)
4. Unhealthy portrays: as mentioned by Jakazin, Hoyoverse constellations are still much worse when compared because Reverse has a much friendlier gacha and gameplay system
I believe that the 'sweet-spot' portrays are the best overall, as they are still functionally identical at P0 and P5.
So P0 owners do not lose out on the experience with the character and still get the same rotation and teambuilding options as P1+ owners.
'Sweet-spot' portrays also are more likely for spenders to obtain compared to 'boring' portrays, which supports the continuation of the game making it a win-win for all players.
Still, this is just what I believe, thanks and have a good day
indeed this is win-win position like 6 and isolde... no portrait still great with portrait they became MC....
It's not about how good the portray is in vacuum, it's about how much it makes the character better, and for noire, being the dps of the negative status team, it's quite easy to make her much stronger even with just a small increase of multipliers
Maybe this is a hot take but I do like having more meaningful portrays for characters, so long as P0 offers a full character that doesnt fall under the power curve of endgame content I think having stronger portrays is a good thing, I was never a fan of old ones that just added +50%dmg on ult or something like that.
I think this will make investing on the characters you personaly like more rewarding and getting excited for reruns of them. Of course, if the new content is made a lot harder so portrays become mandatory or if we dont get any more pulls to compensate for the need to pull more it could spiral into something bad.
It's ok to have good portraits that increase the characters dmg by alot but Noire's portrait p1 p2 and p3 all require eachother like getting p2 only is a waste if you don't get p3. Her p4 and p5 are amazing because they provide the dmg while p1,p2 needing p3 isn't that grate.
Honestly that's how it's been with the majority of the cast...I think this is unnecessary worry cause other games like star rail are experiencing power creep at a alarming pace. Bluepoch won't make any money if they release a character at p0 with p3 or p4 capabilities right off the bat. I just don't understand why it's a fuss when literally all gachas sell they characters power ups like this around the board. It's either u wanna spend or don't. Game is still technically "free" and literally the content of the game doesn't take meta units to clear. Just my take
Not really a hot take. Your opinion is exactly what people are saying. It's exactly the reason people have a problem with portraits. They keep releasing crippled characters that don't really shine unless you get at least 1 or 2 portrays. That's madness considering it already cost people a lot just to get even one copy. Just greedy.
It's the inevitable direction every Gacha game takes. "Harder" content, more impactful copies of characters. People slowly drop off from the game over time and the developers start taxing the remaining players more heavily.
If it gets too bad, I'll just quit. The game is really really good but I'm not a pay pig.
but you dont have to pay anything, unless you want
Exactly this. Like every game
@@andrasylvan9915People literally forgot that all of these are OPTIONAL. Older team are still usable
@@UnderlordZero yeah its not like you cant play without these characters
So at p3 she has a 160% of using her ult again, then 120% 40%, so basically p3 guarantees the 3rd ult and makes it possible to use a 4th, that is kinda crazy
Also, do mind that we still have the advantage of foresight because CN server is months ahead of us so we can plan our pulls. But every patch we are closing the gap between GB and CN servers, and there will be a time that we'll be on the same patch. If things seem ugly now, imagine when we catch up with CN.
yes i notice it too they're trying to get rid off the "p0 is enough" pull since flutterpage so the solution i find here is to entirely skip the characters. i feel like they're trying to deplete our pulls as much as possible before they release the collab
Nah after fututu she is too strong with follow up team in p0
Flutterpage P0 is perfectly fine for the one archetype you play her in, it's essentially just Liang Yue and Noire that are coming out somewhat crippled at zero portraits. I think it's important to remember that we also had the same reaction when Mercuria came out and overtime her P0 became a non-issue, so for now I'd give Bluepoch the benefit of the doubt
@@Randomnesshopeless1086it fine even she too op cuz it single player game anyway, the point is if they keep that attitude up many player will left game, like many people start to dissatisfy since 1 limit character in 3 patch already now we need to grab 1-3 copy of character it just suck
This is why i'm skipping Ling Yue. Needing P1 or P2 just so she's not horrible to play is not worth it.
For real they should have made Noire the limited unit.
Actually this is the solution, vote with our wallets not supporting this kind of practices, instead of buying the protraits, just not pullling for the character at all since they cripple them for their greed.
If you use her with anjo you dont need p1
Same
True+ pulling in a limited banner is scary, Since your pulls is literally gone & won't carry over if you are just 10 or 30 pulls from guaranteed for example.
As long as endgame content and alot of mode aren't focusing on potray power than it is fine with me. And also as long as new p0 characters are strong or very much strong with their team. If p0 can still clear all the new content and endgame content then, it is fine with me
Noire is the example of how portrays should be, she is great from base and even more with copies
On the other hand Liang Yue is the standard portrays model since 37 which is scary if they come back because of what happened with Mercuria.
Imagine if they release tokens to get free portraits on who you want
I saw thumbnail and thought it was going to be worse, from my perspective, it actually seems fine. I think potrays will only matter if you wanna grind raid scores, which doesn't matter to the average player (im talking million points, at least). It would be a problem if her kit was crippled without potrays but they just seem to be a boost.
If you think these potrays are unreasonable, what do you think bp should do then? Just curious
I believe it's also noteworthy to add that you will never realistically cap the genius idea stacks as she gains extra moxie from attacking, so at least that tones the strength of her portrays down
nah this is already happened since 37 and 6 but the difference is they just quality of life increase(like 6 p0 and p2 really heaven and earth play style) but noire here her over all kits is already nuts ... i mean you can cycle 2 ult already is insane... it is quality of life change for noire that for sure dmg wise is nuts but it still not the first time... honestly it ok because no one need that one character to be p5 all the time ... some indeed became nuts in above p2 like 37 or isolde, and for limited like lucy and jiu yeah above p1 is to broken and anjo p4 is practically stun machine... although they are limited it is still nuts ....
the thing with 37 is that in most case you will only use her for her follow up attack as a sub dps, and her p4 increase that dmg by *double*
It might no changing her playstyle but i dont think it is any different from noire with her portrait in term of dps
Or maybe even worse since that mean almost half of 37 dps is *directly* locked behind 4 portrait
@ well that true but 37 in general is already good in many way(well still need 1 FUA but doable...) like 6(i have p2) at first in p0 and 1 we play him "save your eureka on ult" but after P2 " yeah nah i just gonna spend eureka to buff anyone card so empowerment goes brrrr" it already change the style on how we play the character mechanic... and 37 in just p2 can 1 mill any raid content not a problem at all... while P4 is make her became true "golden child of bluepoch" now noire just follow 37 foot step just 1 portrait short and it good....
@@vctmmhendra ye, that's the point, both her and noire already good at p0, it is just that their portrait make their performances sky rockets so it feels kinda demanding to get copies
@@dexpit21 hmm not exactly demanding but fair point... although i see most of reverse content(other than revery of course) is doable with any character but they just need fit team... welp 5 star can compete in limbo but still need at least 1 powerful dps or burst 6 star character... copy of 5 star also make them really good in some place although not as powerful p0 on 6 star p5 on 5 star still more doable and flexible....
@@vctmmhendra "tempting" may be a bettet word to describe it since ye, you dont actually need to invest much
Yes, it seems like they are moving toward making the copies more important. However at this point it isn't absolutely required. But it is still troubling when we are getting new characters that require more portrays to complete their upgraded attacks. I left ZZZ and AFK Journey because the amount of characters and their dupes needed to complete certain content which was just ridiculous. I suppose I could and will walk away from Reverse if the portray problem interferes with enjoyment of the game.
For ZZZ, it's more they want their signatures than dupes. Dupes aren't necessary at all in the game. But for Deadly Assault, you definitely do need at least three good S Ranks to get all the rewards.
As long as it's just damage increase it's fine, imagine if P3 made het 1st skill transfer all negative statuses instead of it just being there, that would be a problem. For now it's fine, we'll see how she will perform.
If portrays were just DMG increases, then few would pull for portrays -> the game makes less money. That would be the worst outcome. They’re a business after all.
I know that people are worried about the portrays but I remember it was kind of the same with Mercuria where another character was added (Anjo in her situation) and it fixed most of the problems that people had with her kit.
And yet a fully invested mercuria is just nuts and can be bis in any team
This is concerning especially after seeing all the powerful characters that are consider “must pull” and here comes Noire needing P3 which is minimum 200-300 pull without support of limited character’s exchange. I could justify if DEV makes more unilog sales that are on discount or more clear drops that guarantees 150-200 pull per patch. (rn it’s avg 110 pulls). One thing for me on 2.5 is that I won’t go for 200 on Liang Yue but stop at P1 (or P2) but go for Noire. But that depends on what’s coming in 2.6 what if new character is bullet / burn meta and Lopera become must have ? I am still haven’t pull her in GL just to be sure lol
It looks like a ridiculous amount of damage potential… but we should also see her ATK stat at I3 lvl30 to really decide if she’s broken or not. And balancing patch are a thing.
She still looks OP to me, but it might not be that bad.
Theyve been doing this since 37
i think (or better said 'hope') that this stuff is purely directed to whales who want to clear future content on auto. if i still can clear content with p0 and using 1 or 2 of my remaining braincells for all the rewards, then i guess i am kinda fine with that. i am a monthly spender and there is no way for me to go beyond p0 if i want variety and a wide roster. whales are still financing this game, so i am not really in a position to critisize BP decisions. but as soon as content becomes unclearable with p0 chars, then i will most likely drop the game. already thinking about skipping liang due to her fomo p1
I don't hate the fact thay she has meaningful portraits but Noire's portrait p1 p2 and p3 all require eachother isn't the best, like getting p2 only is a waste, if you don't get p3. Her p4 and p5 are amazing because they provide the dmg while p1,p2 needing p3 isn't that grate.
Have just got QiQi C10 yesterday. And yeah, it's by a light year worse than getting Sotherby P1 or Pickles P2.
She should have been the limited instead with these portraits
Exactly. I actually feel like her kit design makes a lot more sense as the limited than LY's
As a new player, it amazes me how seemingly EVERYONE (including Prydwen) say "portray(s)" instead of "portrait(s)", like the game actually calls it.
Because fun fact: back when the game released, the game called the copies, Portray.
Proof: i.imgur.com/GZGwBKK.jpeg
So at the time we had to learn to call them "Portrays".
Now they sneakily changed it lel
As a 1.0 player who left the game and returned, I got so confused and about people calling it portraits, didn't realize the game actually changed it
I think it changed back in 1.4 or something, I don't know but yeah it did use to be portrays
@@Jakazin Holy cow, I genuinely didn't notice that they changed it in-game. I was still calling them portrays in my head. Thanks, Jakazin! 👍
Portray or portrait.. Its portrtait now, but call it however you wAnt. Its not a big deal.
So now its better to get 1 p1 ok caharacter than two crippled p0... Coz they starting to release cripple characters
As Im a f2p player, ill try my bestest to save my summons from characters that are usueless w/o their portraits 😅 if theyre cool looking, I'll probably give in to FOMO lol
And just like that folks I'm pulling willow for poison team, I'm cool on portrait units respectfully on meeee
I hope it does not become like echocalypse that game is so dupe reliant af if you want to unlock and enjoy the full potential of a character. I'm surprised that game is still alive 😂
Another thing is that the game is becoming harder and harder every patch and older units ( even with euphoria) won't be able to keep up with the changes. This would not be a problem if they simply did not change the difficulty of the current game modes ( raids, limbo, uttu ) instead introduce new game modes with harder difficulty with separate rewards. This way new players can get into the game easier and end game players can work towards those new goals .
That what exactly the game doing right now. I'm not sure about future but for now all those mode can be clear by 2 months player or newbie.
the current game modes ARE still at the same difficulty tho? like they simply added optional mechanics that you'd consider using. Raid actually became easier cause at least if you have a decent i3 lvl30 team of 3 units, you can just use the assist units available on the blue option when you are starting the raid.
For UTTU they are adding in more cards and multiple players always find cheese strats that help you clear the stages that you need to clear to get all the rewards.
Lastly for limbo, its just the basic try to build your teams first and getting a decent roster of units before you can reliably get the rewards for every upcoming limbo rotation.
yes there is a new more difficult game mode released in the CN server, but no new players should even touch that cause its literally for the latter portion of endgame content
Im pretty sure Limbo is still the "Level 1 endgame", UTTU is still the fun event, and Raid is still the "Level 2 endgame", with Reveries being level 3
Any game mode that need portray to complete or get achievement? Some people dont even need 6star char. I think currently portray just useful to brag about your damage in fb or youtube and to climb top raid ranking. Totally irrelevant to complete all achievement
during the disclaimer part comparing the reverse 1999 standard banner with HSR's and hoyo games it never made sense to me why would'nt they do that system since they did it with HI3. yeah different developer head teams and all but why not ? like do they have to wait 9 years just to add 1.0 release character to be added to standard at that point then in HSR and genshin ? weird.
So its better pull noire or willow for poison team sir
All you portray simps showed bluepoch that you will get p2 for any character thats limited so now they took advantage of it.
This is why i told people to stop pulling for portrays like the mindless whales they are.
Unfortunately people will always pull on gacha games no matter what which constantly f***s the rest of us. Sucks but it is what it is
Im at p3 for anju nala, guess i should stop pulling now xD
If a character's kit doesn't work without a portray, then I'll skip it, simple as that.
If a portray makes a character OP then so be it, I'm fine with everyone at P0.
In my opinion fomo is non existent you know your niche and what you like and build off that 🙂. basically in glb and cn they are covering niches rather than making new characters which is good for reverse 🙂.
They should lock the special costume, room decoration or even voice line behind portraits and made them less powerful
Noire's still fine. She just becomes a more reliable DPS with higher portrays and tbh, I wasn't interested in her for her dmg.
Now, if her ult gave her more buffs/utilities and those buff/utilities were NEEDED in order for her kit to work, NOW THIS could be an issue. Thankfully, it's just dmg
No problem for me, 2.3 is a skip for me and the limited character didn't caught my attention, so I'll have enough for p3 if im lucky.
If not, with p1 im more than happy
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Yup this is getting annoying
I think everyone saying "it's fine because another, different game by a different company is worse" is ignoring the fact that it doesn't justify powercreep this way.
I mean, as an F2P player throughout many games, I have long accepted the fact that I won't get a "complete" character without pulling for copies.
But then again, I play games solely because of stories. Therefore, I'm definitely not the target audience for this topic anyway. I'll excuse myself.
Well, Time to skip everything until Noire..
I dont bother anymore with chars that aren't limited. I just get the limited p5. The chars that keep coming out aren't as pretty and fun as 37 so I dont even feel any fomo.
I does seem very concerning 😟
Actually really concerning, I was already annoy as this game doesn't allow you to pull for all the characters as a f2p, now not only that, you will have it harder to pull, only saving for one specific characters and their MANDATORY portraits to keep up, and yes the game is a breeze but there are some really hard game modes.
No gacha game allows you to unlock all the characters as a F2P (unless you have massive luck). Not a single one. This is normal.
As a Nikke player I can proudly say you are wrong.
@@SpikoDreams Guardian Tales does
@@Arc_Soma2639 because Nikke really wants you to pull for dups unlike here lol.
@ Bro wtf are you talking about? Nikke is one of the game where dups are the less need, even having 7 dups only gives you 20% more stats, you are butt hurt.
They need the money.
#justiceforJessica
Damn, I wanted her because wheelchair waifu, but hearing that she's a multiple portray character is depressing. Oh well, I'll snag one copy for collection purposes and poison team
I'm f2p and when games get too pay to win,i usually quit...so i may also quit reverse if it becomes too Portray reliant
Idgaf about how good lores or voice acting are.....if the gameplay is not f2p friendly....i don't care about the game
The replies lack comprehension that I don't even care to reply to them....i said "if" it becomes too Portray reliant... I'm not saying it is now, especially for global, but CN is slowly heading towards that route
Godspeed
I already quit before Anjo. I am not happy with bluepoch’s practices especially with the scam banner, the more boring character designs(not naming names), still no 5 star pity, no reruns of anecdote 5 stars, etc. I still keep up with story and new content that it.
@@pinklove1924 so u still play...confused? Good luck with that
R1999 is literally the most f2p friendly gacha game, what gacha will u play besides it? Genshit trashpact that gives 50 pulls each patch with mint picking for endgame?
@@pinklove1924uhh so you play all content except gacha? That's great honestly
still,
no update re: assassin's creed collab