Another possible consideration for moving it down river and out to sea as the tide is going out (during the period when low tide is approaching) would be that the water in the river will be moving toward the ocean which will facilitate the move by making it easier. I worked at Sun Shipbuilding and Drydock Company back in the 1970s. Sun Ship was on the Delaware River covering roughly a mile or perhaps a bit more straddling the border between Chester and Eddystone, which was, of course, south of the airport. They used to launch ships at what was called "slack tide" on the high tide portion of the tidal cycle "Slack tide" was when the water in the tidal portion of the river stopped flowing upstream and more or less stood still in the river for a little while before it began to flow downstream as the tide was moving out. Launching a ship in the slack tide made it easier for the tug boats to get connected to the huge, unpowered, floating hulk of steel and control it as they moved it over to the pier in the southern end of the yard to complete the process of building the ship. And as the they were moving it the tide would be starting to flow down river which was the direction they needed to move it, so that helped them a bit.
In France a similar boat "Le Lydia" thathas been set on land and transformed into casino / restaurants in the 80's Now it is owned by the city for fully restoration
A longer time sample may be called for but it looks to me that the ship is moving more than it would if it were really stuck in the mud. I'm impressed that it's still there but it really does need a lot of love and care if anyone has the money to do it. There just isn't a market for transatlantic vessels like this anymore.
It's moving!! Which suggests it's floating? No? I had never heard about this ship until your previous video. Subsequently I read about it, and find all this fascinating. Also, it's my understanding you're right about the paint. Metal ships, like navy ships and such, are painted regularly mainly to prevent rust from spreading.
Fran we all have to move on, hoping that the things of our youth will remain or survive us is irrational. The reality is that currently there are many other ships which are just as impressive and they can self-sustain. That which cannot justify its existence is doomed to go away sooner or later. Permanence is an illusion and the way to deal with this is making new memories with what we have now, If that's not possible then depression is inevitable. As a last point: you can only keep the things you're willing and able to support yourself.
Interesting story about an interesting ship Recently seen another video about the Savannah, the worlds one and only nuclear cargo/ passenger ship. The guy who made the video visited it when it was in a similar condition to the united states and took us on a tour round. The good news is that some enthusiasts have taken it on and managed to get it to a reasonable condition, including a lot of the novel one off features from inside. They even have a sectioned reactor shell that you can walk tbrough ( decommissioned of course). Iirc it is now in baltimore or somewhere similar, a good lokking ship. It was worrying that the Queen Mary was decomposing theough neglect over the covid season. But it seems that people have managed to reverse that and she is hopefully on the way back to her former glory. I hope that the United States can also find some loving
If te tides would follow a perfect sine-curve (which they should do on the high seas, and they most shurely don't in a complicated coastal situation or up a tidal river), the fastest change over time should be observable between high and low tides. And it is also possible thatshe floats up around hight tideand settles in the mud at some point on the way to low tide. Since you mentioned USS New Jersey, I very much enjoy and highly recommend their UA-cam channel. I'm really in two minds about United States. On the one hand, I would like to see her preserved, and a civilized nation should take care of their heritage and fork over some public funding to keep buildings going which by themselves would no longer be economic. I also realized in a report about the RMS Queen Mary that the narrative often goes that public funding will be burnt in the oven and the ship will magically mend itself. That is of course not the case. Public funding will be used to employ a host of workers for quite some time to fix her up. On the other hand, "tradition is keeping the flame going, not keeping the ashes" (clever quotes I can remember, but usually I cannot remember who said it). As a ship, she is no longer relevant, and for 30 years, various groups have in vain tried to find another purpose for her, and there just appears to be too little interest by the public.
I looked at my girlfriends pics taken September 8th and her anchor was up. A current trend in the hot rod world is “rat rods”. Unpainted and rusty on the outside. The United States is the worlds biggest rat rod.
3-4 hours...hour before high and hour after would give the best visual change of movement. I would assume it's lighter than when it was docked. But the sea level could have changed since then.
They get huge cruise ships in here in my Norwegian city. It's hard to take photos of these types of enormous constructs. The real experience is more intense as if they create gravity or something.
nice footage, if you 2x the high-tide time lapse, you can really see the fore & aft movement, but the up & down not so much..I agree it's probably in a channel of silt as you suggested
I wonder if you should revisit your thrme song. Your solo shows taste and there is a little harmonic rumble at the very end that I'd just assume reccured thtoughout the piece.
If you really want to get an interesting time lapse, see if you can do it on a day when there is a really stiff, gusty wind blowing from the west or, better yet, from the southwest. The United States is riding high in the water, and that means the side of the ship presents a hell of a lot of sail area to the wind. You might be surprised at how much that thing moves when the wind is shoving it around, You will likely get to see its mooring lines tightening and slacking as it moves around, too.
The amount of money used to rent a dock space for this decrepit ship is , for a lack of words, obscene. Certainly the dock owner will be very very sad to see this ship go.... The fact that this ship have not been maintained shows how much historical value this ship may have... "Bigger than the Titanic", yeah, so what? After the Titanic, countless ship were built that were bigger...It's name is the "United States" ... yeah, again, so what? Apart from it's name, what does it have to mak it stand out from the hundreds of ships that were built during it's time? Let's not be afraid to bury the past. Otherwise, we would be overwhelmed with countless, useless relics that would cost millions and billions to maintain... A statue, an old book, an apparatus that occupies a few dozen square foot in a museum is one thing... A heap of many thousand tons that is not worth more than it's weigh of metals is another thing completely.
Maybe the best thing to do with this ship would be to build a virtual reality model of what it was like when it was in operation... It would be a fixed initial cost, with very little upkeep, and you could charge a few dollars to whomever might be willing to visit this ship with a VR goggles...
And maybe that is why Fran's youtube channel is important... It provides data that is cheap to store and maintain, about things that could be easily forgotten. I clearly remember what made me a follower of Fran Blanche: the series of videos about the Wanamaker Organ. It is, by far, the most exhaustive video documentation of this instrument.
You might want to read the Wikipedia article about the ship. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_United_States From that article: "SS United States is a retired ocean liner that was built during 1950 and 1951 for United States Lines. She is the largest ocean liner to be entirely constructed in the United States and the fastest ocean liner to cross the Atlantic Ocean in either direction, retaining the Blue Riband for the highest average speed since her maiden voyage in 1952, a title she still holds. " That is just the beginning. There's a great deal more about this ship that is quite special and makes it worth preserving in one way or another.
I'm a former Westcoast shipbuilder and think the SS United States will make a great artificial reef! I like your theory about the silt build up. Ms. Blanche! We still have the Queen Mary and many Warship museums!
I must thank you, Fran, for introducing me to the saga of the United States. I've posted a few info pieces about it on my Facebook page, to zero interest, it seems. Le sigh. Sylvia and Ted sailed it at a significant point of their relationship. That alone is enough to enchant moi!
I like your camera work. Its a shame that the interior was gutted long ago. If that hadn't been done, it may have been feasible to convert it into a museum ship or floating hotel such as was done with the Queen Mary. Now its just a rusty shell suitable for scrap metal.
On Google maps there is a street view available of a walking route on the main deck.
What a shame it is to sink a ship like that.
They only got 18 years of service out of that ship.
Another possible consideration for moving it down river and out to sea as the tide is going out (during the period when low tide is approaching) would be that the water in the river will be moving toward the ocean which will facilitate the move by making it easier.
I worked at Sun Shipbuilding and Drydock Company back in the 1970s. Sun Ship was on the Delaware River covering roughly a mile or perhaps a bit more straddling the border between Chester and Eddystone, which was, of course, south of the airport. They used to launch ships at what was called "slack tide" on the high tide portion of the tidal cycle
"Slack tide" was when the water in the tidal portion of the river stopped flowing upstream and more or less stood still in the river for a little while before it began to flow downstream as the tide was moving out. Launching a ship in the slack tide made it easier for the tug boats to get connected to the huge, unpowered, floating hulk of steel and control it as they moved it over to the pier in the southern end of the yard to complete the process of building the ship. And as the they were moving it the tide would be starting to flow down river which was the direction they needed to move it, so that helped them a bit.
In France a similar boat "Le Lydia" thathas been set on land and transformed into casino / restaurants in the 80's
Now it is owned by the city for fully restoration
A longer time sample may be called for but it looks to me that the ship is moving more than it would if it were really stuck in the mud. I'm impressed that it's still there but it really does need a lot of love and care if anyone has the money to do it.
There just isn't a market for transatlantic vessels like this anymore.
It's moving!! Which suggests it's floating? No? I had never heard about this ship until your previous video. Subsequently I read about it, and find all this fascinating. Also, it's my understanding you're right about the paint. Metal ships, like navy ships and such, are painted regularly mainly to prevent rust from spreading.
Very cool camera work! Not stuck
Not completely stuck at the peak of high tide anyway.
Fran we all have to move on, hoping that the things of our youth will remain or survive us is irrational. The reality is that currently there are many other ships which are just as impressive and they can self-sustain. That which cannot justify its existence is doomed to go away sooner or later.
Permanence is an illusion and the way to deal with this is making new memories with what we have now, If that's not possible then depression is inevitable.
As a last point: you can only keep the things you're willing and able to support yourself.
Interesting story about an interesting ship
Recently seen another video about the Savannah, the worlds one and only nuclear cargo/ passenger ship.
The guy who made the video visited it when it was in a similar condition to the united states and took us on a tour round.
The good news is that some enthusiasts have taken it on and managed to get it to a reasonable condition, including a lot of the novel one off features from inside. They even have a sectioned reactor shell that you can walk tbrough ( decommissioned of course).
Iirc it is now in baltimore or somewhere similar, a good lokking ship.
It was worrying that the Queen Mary was decomposing theough neglect over the covid season. But it seems that people have managed to reverse that and she is hopefully on the way back to her former glory.
I hope that the United States can also find some loving
Nice memories exist now. If you enjoy nostalgia, you're enjoying it in the present.
If te tides would follow a perfect sine-curve (which they should do on the high seas, and they most shurely don't in a complicated coastal situation or up a tidal river), the fastest change over time should be observable between high and low tides. And it is also possible thatshe floats up around hight tideand settles in the mud at some point on the way to low tide.
Since you mentioned USS New Jersey, I very much enjoy and highly recommend their UA-cam channel.
I'm really in two minds about United States. On the one hand, I would like to see her preserved, and a civilized nation should take care of their heritage and fork over some public funding to keep buildings going which by themselves would no longer be economic. I also realized in a report about the RMS Queen Mary that the narrative often goes that public funding will be burnt in the oven and the ship will magically mend itself. That is of course not the case. Public funding will be used to employ a host of workers for quite some time to fix her up.
On the other hand, "tradition is keeping the flame going, not keeping the ashes" (clever quotes I can remember, but usually I cannot remember who said it). As a ship, she is no longer relevant, and for 30 years, various groups have in vain tried to find another purpose for her, and there just appears to be too little interest by the public.
I looked at my girlfriends pics taken September 8th and her anchor was up.
A current trend in the hot rod world is “rat rods”. Unpainted and rusty on the outside. The United States is the worlds biggest rat rod.
I love the rusted/faded exterior that is preserved in that state.
3-4 hours...hour before high and hour after would give the best visual change of movement. I would assume it's lighter than when it was docked. But the sea level could have changed since then.
Sea levels have risen, but the tides would be the bigger factor... and silt always flows downstream.
They get huge cruise ships in here in my Norwegian city. It's hard to take photos of these types of enormous constructs. The real experience is more intense as if they create gravity or something.
Do you know if the hull has been surveyed by commercial divers so the tugs know if the bottom is stuck in mud or it is free enough to move?
Millions to paint
Good, I hope it stays there.
I'm British and I've heard quite enough about that insane country.
i would have thought it would be towed to india and turned to scrap steel.
@@carlosgaspar8447 lolol
look she got a Heathkit shirt on
nice footage, if you 2x the high-tide time lapse, you can really see the fore & aft movement, but the up & down not so much..I agree it's probably in a channel of silt as you suggested
I wonder if you should revisit your thrme song. Your solo shows taste and there is a little harmonic rumble at the very end that I'd just assume reccured thtoughout the piece.
I did not expect philosophy. What a great take on nostalgia.
The idea that a ship has been in Philly so long that a barrier has built up around it, is so quintessentially Philadelphia.
What a good looking ship.
Who else wants to see a botgrinder collab?
How high does the tide raise the water?
It varies depending on how far away the Moon is due to its somewhat elliptical orbit, but about 5.5 feet high to low on average.
they should play Nearer My God To Thee when they sink her in Alabama
You need to time lapse for six hours.
If you really want to get an interesting time lapse, see if you can do it on a day when there is a really stiff, gusty wind blowing from the west or, better yet, from the southwest. The United States is riding high in the water, and that means the side of the ship presents a hell of a lot of sail area to the wind. You might be surprised at how much that thing moves when the wind is shoving it around, You will likely get to see its mooring lines tightening and slacking as it moves around, too.
Majestic Lady.
Fran? Or the United States? 😉
The amount of money used to rent a dock space for this decrepit ship is , for a lack of words, obscene. Certainly the dock owner will be very very sad to see this ship go.... The fact that this ship have not been maintained shows how much historical value this ship may have... "Bigger than the Titanic", yeah, so what? After the Titanic, countless ship were built that were bigger...It's name is the "United States" ... yeah, again, so what? Apart from it's name, what does it have to mak it stand out from the hundreds of ships that were built during it's time? Let's not be afraid to bury the past. Otherwise, we would be overwhelmed with countless, useless relics that would cost millions and billions to maintain... A statue, an old book, an apparatus that occupies a few dozen square foot in a museum is one thing... A heap of many thousand tons that is not worth more than it's weigh of metals is another thing completely.
Maybe the best thing to do with this ship would be to build a virtual reality model of what it was like when it was in operation... It would be a fixed initial cost, with very little upkeep, and you could charge a few dollars to whomever might be willing to visit this ship with a VR goggles...
And maybe that is why Fran's youtube channel is important... It provides data that is cheap to store and maintain, about things that could be easily forgotten. I clearly remember what made me a follower of Fran Blanche: the series of videos about the Wanamaker Organ. It is, by far, the most exhaustive video documentation of this instrument.
You might want to read the Wikipedia article about the ship. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_United_States From that article:
"SS United States is a retired ocean liner that was built during 1950 and 1951 for United States Lines. She is the largest ocean liner to be entirely constructed in the United States and the fastest ocean liner to cross the Atlantic Ocean in either direction, retaining the Blue Riband for the highest average speed since her maiden voyage in 1952, a title she still holds. "
That is just the beginning. There's a great deal more about this ship that is quite special and makes it worth preserving in one way or another.
LOLOLOL!! You use the same nail polish that I do for insulating things!
love your live in the now thoughts I fully understand that
I'm a former Westcoast shipbuilder and think the SS United States will make a great artificial reef! I like your theory about the silt build up. Ms. Blanche! We still have the Queen Mary and many Warship museums!
Very interesting i fully agree with you.maybe the bottom isnt in good shape
Just a thouhjt, is that pier you were lining up the bow notch up with also moving up and down with the tide?
The warehouse is not afloat. We don't have floating piers on the Delaware.
I had no idea about the ship, but i did enjoyed your content about it :)
I must thank you, Fran, for introducing me to the saga of the United States. I've posted a few info pieces about it on my Facebook page, to zero interest, it seems. Le sigh. Sylvia and Ted sailed it at a significant point of their relationship. That alone is enough to enchant moi!
I like your camera work. Its a shame that the interior was gutted long ago. If that hadn't been done, it may have been feasible to convert it into a museum ship or floating hotel such as was done with the Queen Mary. Now its just a rusty shell suitable for scrap metal.
❤️🔥FRAN❤️🔥
Of all the things I like best, I like Asbestest.
@2:43 telephoto / zoom lens