IT'S NONSENSE! 😡 Caller CONFRONTS Simon Jordan Over His Criticisms of Lionel Messi's Ballon d'Or Win
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- Liverpool fan, Justin, confronts Simon Jordan over his criticisms of Lionel Messi's 2023 Ballon d'Or win over Manchester City's Erling Haaland.
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Over 40 G/A for PSG last season in 40 games played, but he "did nothing" for PSG lol. Highest standards ever for a footballer, if a younger player did that a PL team would be splashing over 100 million for him.
Exactly 💯
Also he had more than double man of the match awards than any other player the highest average rating of any other player most passes dribbles completed most chances created scored the last minute free kick to keep psg top of the league and scored the goal that won psg the league if that's Messi ghosting I don't even want to know what it would be like if he actually showed up 😂😂
@@S7Vmv not gonna take a guy with an anime PFP seriously
It's the French fkn league, how did he do in the CL.
Haaland eclipsed that he was 22-years old. He had 44 G/A in 35 PL games and in total, 61 G/A in 52 games (53 if you count the Charity Shield). Not to mention broke multiple CL & PL records
wasn't a problem when Ronaldo won it in 2002 after scoring 7 goals for Inter Milan all season. But he had a great world cup so he won it.
Who were the competitors in 2002?
@@erinblue4043 Well Zidane for one. Could argue Roberto Carlos deserved it more too due to ucl win + world cup win and being a key player for both of those victories.
Ronaldo's season at Inter was basically nothing for the year. Messi at least averaged a goal or an assist per game (yes I'm aware french league isn't great) for PSG on top of his world cup win.
Ronaldo won it in 1997 with Inter Milan, 2002 was with Real Madrid
@@LeeMcGuinness-jp1tr yes but the 2002 ballon d'or was awarded based on the 2001/2002 season. He was at Inter Milan then
I have no problem with that but how did Messi win it in 2010 over Sneijder?
100% agree with the last caller, Justin. If you’re going to just go by what is won, call it the Highest Achiever Award. Messi is still the best footballer player on the planet. As Justin said, give them all a football and Messi will do better than all the others. He is the best footballer.
So if he's the best footballer on the planet why other players gets that award?
Except the Ballon d'Or isn't awarded to "the best player on the planet" - if it were, Messi would win every year - but is awarded to the player who had the best season.
Ummm, no. No he isn’t the best footballer on the planet, that would be sir mo Salah
Best player on the planet goes missing against pep team time and time again, ghosting man where are you
@@craigmillington1258 because he is human not a god. He can fall and also get back up 💪
Messi had 41 goal involvements in 41 appearances for PSG last season. Simon doesn’t have a clue here.
Goal involvement 😂😂😂😂 man didn't even scrome more than 28 goals
@@brandonjablasone7544 , I don't think you understand what "involvement" means.
@@brandonjablasone7544 So 28 goals in a team with Mbappe and Neymar is a bad return?
@@axel5178 ,simplistic reasoning from you, tbh.
Having big names in a team, don't automatically make that team "Op". And that was clearly the case of PSG.
Neymar was often injured. And for the (short while) he managed playing time, his performances were kinda unstable/erratic.
As for Mbappé, i lost count on how many great chances (created by Messi) he squandered. Yes, Mbappé is a beastly footballer.. but he's also prone to failures. And it happened a lot when Messi was there.
Moreover, the PSG team has been a collective disaster for years now.
Most their big names have been (mostly) playing in an apathetic (and ambitionless) way... and Messi had the misfortune of having to deal with that mess.
As for playing in the French league, well...
by now, i think that we can all acknowledge the fact that Messi has the talent and competence to succeed in (just) any league. Those numbers have nothing to do with it being the French, nor the Spanish league. • Messi is a guy who makes things happen, regardless of the club, league and environment he plays in.
That's a useless stat...playing in the French league...ranked 6th in the world..ffs
I find it funny that people are saying Messi ghosted with PSG last season yet he finished with more than double man of the match awards than any other player, had the highest average rating of any other player and also had the most passes, dribbles completed, the most chances created, scored that last-minute free-kick to keep PSG top of the league, and scored the goal that won them the league. If that's Messi ghosting I don't even want to think about what it would be like if he actually showed up.
I like to count man of the match awards as well.. that's how I decide who is the best and Messi is superior to anybody.
Typically lazy journalism. Not looking at the facts and stats.
Messi was hired by PSG to win the Champions League, buy he didn't. He ghosted in the Champions League.
@@dshannon565 man of the match wards are bais tyo Messi he was not man of the match of those games if you actuallyw acthed them you would know.
@@garethlawrence9885 he won the world cup instead
Messi had the most Man Of The Match Awards in Europe during 2022/2023 season 14. Halaand had only 6. That's how good Messi was in that PSG side the fact that he set the bar too high for himself does not mean he had a very bad season. Out of Halaand's 56goals I can bet 53 of them were just one touch goals, he is an excellent goal scorer but to say is best allround. footballer it's injustice to football. He can not dribble past a single player
Haaland's entire contribution to a game would fit inside 30 seconds. He's ruthless and efficient, but he's simply not the world's best footballer. Cannot stand when people say "stats" meaning goals.
Haaland 53, Messi 38...okay yeah, more goals
Assists and it 25 vs 9
Chances created - well then it starts to get silly.
Dribbles, passses, ball retention and MOMENTS. If the Ballon d'Or criteria doesn't have room for the moments that make you say "Wow!" then that would be sad. Not all brilliant play results in a goal, but it is the reason we watch football.
Justin sums it up perfectly: Messi's just a better footballer and has been better, contrary to Simon's idea that it was just 6 out of the 7 games at the WC
@@HoistusMaximus Beautifully said. Spot on. Brilliant play is why we watch football. You can have a boring game the whole game and s.o. shoots a goal, or a penalty, and his team wins. Yaaawn!
Does anyone really believe, there's is a player in the World better than Lionel Messi? Yes, it's individual award, so Messi should have won it every year. The last caller is spot on.
It's one of the most disputed arguments in all of football: Messi or Ronaldo? I don't want to trigger that debate here but I struggle to agree with anyone who says Messi was "the best". Or indeed that Ronaldo was. Especially consistently "the best" over a decade and more.
The last caller wasn't spot on either; he said he doesn't care what he (Messi) wins or how many times he scores, he's the best and that's that. Uh, sorry but that's not how it works. If wins and goals aren't a measure of a player's "bestness" then wtf is?
"Oh he sure does some neat tricks during the warm-up! Give him the Ballon D'or until he retires!"
Uh, how about no?
It’s an award for the player that had the best year. No way Messi had a better year than Haaland
@@Tormented22it's one of the most forced debate of all time, Ronaldo doesn't even belong in the conversation of best, mate.
Messi Maradona and Pele are on another realm.
@@johnkonaleonard407256 boring tap ins?? 😂😂😭
@@ObnoxiousDrummer2 203 caps and still banging in braces for Portugal, five times Ballon D'or winner (your boy Messi only got one more than that unless you include this latest travesty) and Ronaldo isn't in the conversation? He's scored almost 130 international goals. Not in the conversation? Mate. Please.
thank god there is a true fans of the beautiful game like Justin
Justin is menatlly ill LiVARpool fan that is jelaous of Haaland.
@@ifldiscovery8500 , judging by your comment, I would say that you're the only mentally ill dude around here.
Messi had 52 g/a over the course of last season. To say he did nothing is ignorant and disingenuous. Simon just needs to admit he only watches the premier league
@crustyflakes3861 that's it? Lol. Care to expand?
@crustyflakes3861 your point maybe? No matter what you say, fellow professionals and journalists say haaland didn't do better than Messi. I can do it too
@crustyflakes3861better than Haaland, bro can't even qualify for wc , heck even Morroco , Poland (one man army qualified)
Fifa had to add 32 team in next wc so that he can actually have wc appearance 😂😂😂in
@crustyflakes3861 you forgot that messi won the most prestigious tournament in world cup, while also being the best player in that tournament. He felt short with PSG but as PEP said, Messi's worst season in club level is the best for most players. So taking into consideration stats and tournaments won, Haaland and Messi is definitely a very close match. But you forgot about one thing that is much more important than this: which is the narrative. People will have different opinion on this but at club level Haaland is definitely better. First season in Man City, breaking records and winning the treble. BUT was mostly criticized by failing short in important moments.
On the other hand we have Messi, playing his last World Cup for Argentina, being the best player on his team and the tournament. Scoring 2 goals in the Finals while also creating a lot of chances (basically doing it all), and to top it off, finally completing football by winning a World Cup.
Simon says "messi had a bad season for psg". Is 32g/a in 32 games a bad season for a deep playing midfielder?
Deep playing midfielder he’s not Rodri mate FairPlay he scored against Brest 1908 😂
Do you really think Simon watches all the games to form a proper judgment !? Messi was on fire for PSG before the World Cup, he tailed off after coming back from winning it which makes sense. Erling went missing in the big games towards the run in, Ilky got City over the line.
Deep playing midfielder 😭😭
@@McfcGalorei watched all messi psg games , he was playing like gundo , silva lol ...
Almost at center of pitch and then giving long balls for Mbappe to chase it was honestly frustrating.
Yes when your messi. It’s horrendous, he should’ve won a treble with mbappe and Neymar 🤦♂️
If B D’or was for best player then Messi would have 15
Nah Ronaldo
@@lieberteyou simply can’t believe that
Messi’s worse game is Haaland’s best game. What he does with a football for 15 minutes in a match, takes Haaland 10 games to even come close to doing that.
He is by far the best player in the world. Messi ♾️
Messi has scored 1 goal in 210 minutes in the mls farmers league😂 after running from the French league because it was too difficult
haaland would score 15+ goals in 210 minutes in the mls😂
Ability is not what the Ballon D'or is supposed to reward.
He was, start living in the present.
So now THE WORLD CUP the only thing which people argue that messi lacks in GOAT debate now resorts to a mere 7 game tournament 😂😂 Something haters should listen to themselves
So true. Unbelievable. The pain the haters must be feeling, oooff. England players who won the World Cup in 66 achieved immortality in England, but somehow for Messi it’s just a 7 game tournament. Double standards.
16 goals and 16 assists for PSG in 32 games.
Looking objectively at the (individual) performance of the player:
Messi was PSG's best performer for several months, and the guy who was behind (most of) the best attacking moves of the team. I lost count how many times Messi produced excellent assists which were squandered by his teammates, Mbappé in particular. Regardless of PSG's failures as a team, Messi did his job and he did it very well.
No wonder he was Ligue 1's best playmaker (plus, one of the highest goal scorers).
And the official numbers don't even reflect the fact that Messi was the player involved in most of the direct and indirect goalscoring chances created.
That should amount to 32 goal-contribution! Any other player in Ligue 1 with such a record would be chased by all the top English clubs for a pric tag of 150 million pounds.
Van Dijk said the same thing. Messi should win it every year once he's still playing😂
Yes, cos Van Dijk is the one and only source of truth in football
@@S7Vmvsomething tells me you're a pendu fan 🤔
@@S7Vmv😂😂😂 You are a fool 😂😂😂
Messi is the most unreal player ever..GOAT by a planet 🐐
Good thing he’s not the same player anymore, let’s give it to him when he’s 60 years old as well because he USED to be good. Amazing logic random individual.
Last caller best caller !!
No goalscorer can pass or dribble like Messi. No playmaker can score as many goals as Messi.
Lionel Andres Messi - simply the best
@@S7Vmv bro here take some tissue 🧻, you are crying too much
Can’t dribble anymore, next.
@@DannyFarewest Ask Van Dijk, Gvardiol, Upamecano or the Socceroos
Messi wonderful player but not even best Argentinian or second best. Title goes to Diego with Di Stefano not far behind.
The second caller is a fool. In no season did Ronaldo score 50 goals and Messi score fewer without winning the Ballon dOr. The reason Messi won the award wasn't because his team was better; his team was better because he played better than Ronaldo.
True!
No the Barca team are better than Madrid
@@harolderhabor3550 , Barça was only better than Real Madrid in terms of possession game.
But Real Madrid had a superior counter-attacking and aerial game.
The simple fact is, as good and deadly as Haaland is, he gets so many goals because he is the finishing touch to what is easily the greatest team in world football right now, and that's coming from a Liverpool fan. Haaland is certainly an important cog in the Manchester City team, but more often than not, Messi is the heart of whichever team he plays for. Look at the success of the Manchester City team last season. As the first caller says, replace Haaland with Kane and Manchester City do just as well, if not better. If you take Messi out of that Argentina team, there's no way on earth they win the most prestigious trophy in the world. That's why Messi won the Ballon D'or.
What did PSG win again. Messi was at the heart of a squad of players that failled. Haaland come in and City win their first ever CL and a treble and he gets the goalscoring record on top. Messi scored 5 penalties in WC. 3 goals from open play in 7 matches (Less than Alverez and Mpappe) and that supposed be so good he deserve the best player of year award him. He wasn't even nominated the year before hes simply given t because Argentina won the world cup he didnt get any better.
@@jamesjacob21 City would’ve achieved what they achieved with or without Haaland. PSG and Argentina would’ve been way worse off without Messi. You’re talking like goals are the only things that matter. Messi won MOTM in most of the games he played in the World Cup, he was absolutely instrumental. Haaland got the award for most goals which is exactly what that award is for. He wasn’t even the most influential player in the Manchester City team, that was KDB.
Itsa fat City have never achieved what they achieved without Haaland, that's a fact, we played without him for many years. Also its a fact no other player has scored as many goals as him in pl beofre. Thats exceptional. Scoring 3 open play goals in 7 matches is very decent and I'm sure he did well in the poor league hes in but he failed at PSG and didnt break any records or win anything . For most people its obvious Haaland had a better season he couldn't have done any more.
@@jamesjacob21 right and with out Emi there is now conversation. 2 pk shootouts and 2 huge saves in 2 different stoppage times in the world cup. Giving Emi the best keeper is a joke. Cause if he was the best keeper. He wouldn't be at villa. He had a good tournament, but his calendar year not so much. which is why French Football awards are popularity and marketability of the winners
@@kieranlythgoe4943no the wouldn't have
Why does Simon assume Messi did nothing at PSG?😂😂 Is he just guessing?
what did he do? did he win any trophies beside farmers league trophy?
He literally did nothing at PSG. Got kicked out of UCL in RO16 (back-to-back!) with a PSG superteam.
@@spark556 so are you basing his team performances or his performances on an individual award? Seems like you’re getting wound up about it all so I just want to make sure we can understand you
k,continue crying@@spark556
@@spark556 psg is a super team?
Messi is without doubt the best player… every player knows that
Simon gives me Piers Morgan vibes when it comes to Messi, they only say this nonsense and don't even watch Messi games😂 besides his 7 goals in 7 games in the World Cup. He also had like 34 goals and 20+ assists next to his Argentina campagne in the World Cup
so true
Man City with full squad could do well without Haaland. Would Argentina have done well without Messi in the World Cup? Absolutely not!
How many goals/assists Haaland has in all major finals for Man City? None!
Actually, Haaland isn't even the best player in Man City.
Ballon d"Or isn't an award for goalscorer, it's an award for full package best footballer contributed significantly for the achievement of his team.
If messi was ghosting for psg how come he created more chances than the entire man city squad last season these arguments as to why messi shouldn't have won it a clearly being looked at by people that can only see a small part of the bigger picture cause if they could see the picture clearly instead of letting jealousy cloud their judgement they would see messi is the clear winner instead of making up stuff for a league they dont even watch 😂😂
100% agreed.
And it's very encouraging to read comments from people like you, who can see beyond official stats and awards lists.
@@Luis_Ah_Hoy_Jr Are chances created not official stats now then? 🤦🤣 PSG just got spanked by Newcastle, the League lost it's place to the Netherlands in UEFA's coefficients due to past performances in Europe which Messi contributed to, the other (Haaland) was brought in the win City the CL and he did it on his first try.
100% agenda more like
@@dannybradley8391 , it depends.
Most of the "chances created" stats that are displayed to us, are merely related to situations where the player made the "final assist". But they hardly take into account the preceding effort and play that allowed (and eased) that final move to happen.
That's where Messi is ahead and shoulders above of anyone else.
His combination of direct + indirect involvement in goal scoring chances creation is (most probably) the highest of any footballer, ever!
@@Luis_Ah_Hoy_Jr Nobody cares about his career, the conversation is around this Balon d'Or. He played in a weak league, that should be an end to that argument. Ligue 1 is now 6th, Messi had his part to play in that.
@@dannybradley8391 , I wasn't even talking about his "career". So I don't understand why are you (even) bringing that up.
Instead, I was focusing specifically on the period that counted for the Ballon d'Or voting considerations.
Also, you're exaggerating:
Ligue 1 is a "mid" league... not a "weak" league. By any means.
And in the context of your own reasoning, I can also argue that Messi played in a much worse team (and in bad shape) than Haaland.
Why no questioning about Lika Modric winning the ballon d'or 2018 ?? If the award is given to a player who has scored more goals in a calendar year that year it was Messi he scored more than 60 gaols .....
And did nothing haaland had better accomplishment overall
Messi was sensational for PSG last season. Simon clearly did not watch the matches, nor do most boneheads like him. Also, does he know how many games Argentina have gone unbeaten, and their record in the last year or so with Messi leading them?
He was bang average where was he in the champions league knockouts
Justin talks sense
Messi is the rightful winner 🏆 the greatest to have ever played the game!
Last caller is talking like me😂
😂😂same here
“...besides the 7 games in the world cup, Messi played poorly or done very little for PSG” .. Huh?! What an utter load of bs!
Simon's surely barely watched PSG last season - same goes for English fans (most only watch their own team by the way). They just echo the same narratives the pundits spit at them.
Messi was the best thing for PSG last season, while he was fit. He practically ran their offence. I agree he was below his standard the year before. He then delivered at the world cup, carrying a young Argentine team. The MAMMOTH PRESSURE on his shoulders??
“Did you see Mbappe in the final...” .. Mbappe was listless till the last 10 mins of the game. He scored the goals, but suffered in overall play.
Haaland is a goal scorer with an incomplete game. Wasn't even the best player on his team. There's NO WAY he deserved the award over Messi. Haaland won an award designated to the top goal scorer; he just wasn't the better overall player last season.
It's not just that Messi won the WC it's how well he played in it at his age no less.
True.
Now, if a "finished" and old Messi is able to do things that make him the strongest contender to a Ballon d'Or, we can only imagine what a prime (younger) Messi - even worse, if playing for a vibrant and dominant team like Man City - would do to nowadays competition.
Messi would absolutely obliterate it.
This misnomer that messi had a bad season needs to be challenged. He had a down season compared to his absolutely outrageous previous standard that may never be matched. Still averaged a goal contribution every game, won the league and the world cup (carrying Argentina in the process). So he performed well all year for club and country. Haaland performed outstandingly for club but not for his nation (Norway didn't even reach the wc). It's not unfair for haaland to miss out, its unlucky that messi still had an excellent year. And I refute the "messi bias idea" at the balon dor bc didn't messi miss out in 2018 despite a goal contribution every 57 minutes when modric got it just for the wc (which Croatia didn't even win)? The 2 years in recent memory that messi was overlooked he still had a strong case to win (on a few occasions I think he was omitted from the shortlist)
I agree with Justin this award belongs to the best player we have seen in the world and that's Lionel Messi I don't care about how many goals he scored or Littles he won he is special
The best English player or world class has to be Steven Gerrard what a palyer
Carrying a otherwise meh Argentina to a World Cup trophy is a bigger achievement than winning PL/CL in the best club team in the world with world class players on every single position. The MC bench is better on paper than Argentina ffs.
Justin nailed it
How can you say besides the 7 games in the most prestigious tournament in football??? What are we even talking about here? 😂
If both Messi and Halaand are playing at the same time. Im tuning in to Messis game.
In a hurry, too.
Just to ghost in big games like against Roma, Liverpool?😊😊
@@left4deadR I literally have never seen Messi have a bad game. Not once.
@@left4deadR , I have seen Haaland producing (much) bigger "ghosting" performances than Messi ever had in his life, tbh.
In fact, ghosting performances from Messi have been kinda rare in his footballing career.
@@Luis_Ah_Hoy_Jr haaland ghosting? Like where? All big games halaand played city won. Even when he didn't score or assist, he was vital to the team. Grow up okay son?
Let him cry ..haters deserves crying always ..losers explain,winner celebrate..
I always thought it’s not fair for others to be compared to Leo
@@S7Vmv anyone who thinks ronaldo is the goat. doesn't know football. his entire career was carried by Schooles,Benzema,Bale,Modric. most overrayed player in history. never won international golden ball , never scored in wc knockout stages lol.
Ronaldo has triple messi goals in UCL quarters, semis and finals@@draza9000
@@draza9000 😂😂😂
Justin talks just like Lineker, the best description of Leo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Man city has been tearing england apart without a striker. Haaland is a goal scorer no doubt. Messi will assist dribble, pass, and also score.
messi instrumental in more than half of psg goals last season and this guy sitting calling the man performance poor... smh messi had a poor messi season yes but a poor messi season is still better than the other footballers best season lol
I agree with Justin... Messi should win it 2 years after he retires also 😂😂
The dude that rang is right. Messi is by miles the best football player in the planet since the moment he stated playing regularly for Barça regardless of achievements. Haaland is a 1.95M behemoth with nothing on Messi as a player. Absolutely nothing
Don't think simon actually watched him in psg he had a great season
Justin reminds me of what Pep said. "One award for Messi every year and one for the rest."
Messi did poorly for PSG, what did haaland do for Norway?
They weren’t in the World Cup because they don’t have the team Argentina do messi if you judge them both off club football which is an equal ground then haaland is clear World Cup purple patches should not win ballon dors
@@dusty2399 who’s fault is it that they weren’t in the world cup, if he’s the best thing since sliced bread, the least he could do is take them to the world cup.
@@dusty2399 he doesn’t get credit for not being able to carry his national team. It easy when everything is well set up under pep
@@djo6784 ok as a striker you expect him to carry his national team yeah you have 0 ball knowledge remember messi in his career only just won it because he was terrible for his national team in his early years literally ghosted most WC tournaments and Copa Americas he only showed up for brazil and this one and emi martinez carried this one more
@@dusty2399 ghosted in copa America’s? Lmao. And him being a striker is exactly why he isn’t the best player. He needs people to supply him.
Simon just stirring up controversy, Messi is the greatest player ever in the history of the game. No one even comes close to his ability.
Excuse me, sir, that wasn't the argument, and that's not what the yearly award is about.
so what it is?the most goals?@@biggy3rd
@@CJ-dk7hc the best players this current year, Messi isn’t even better than Jeremy Doku so you have no leg to stand on regarding this 👍🏻
@@DannyFarewest good for jeremy doku 👍 (who tf is that), as for messi, 8 ballon d ors, best player of all time 👍👍
SJ has laughed at people for talking about how much Manchester United are worth, insisting clubs are only worth how much people are willing to pay. The same is true for these individual awards. They can't be measured in terms of statistics, but in how much the voters wish to buy into the stories of the athletes they vote for. Messi's story winning the World Cup simply captured the voters' imaginations more than any other players' stories. That's the start and end of it.
Justin my man. Nailed it
No Simon, Mbappe ghosted 80 MINTUES of the final, and Messi didn't play poorly for PSG - he was one of their best players, the problem is they have been horrifically mis-managed for years now and had a midfield of Ruiz, Vitinha and 16 year old Zaire-Emery starting behind him and Mbappe. Neymar got injured and that was pretty much them screwed. This is English ignorance again, who never bothered to watch anything outside the Premiership.
Love all the tears from pl and Ronaldo fans 😂 😂
What tears?
if being rational is tears than it's your problem
It’s a robbery that’s only won 8
If Haaland wasn't at Man City, he would not have scored half the goals. And as for the goals Haaland takes penalties for Man City, Messi didn't for PSG or Inter Miami, those make a difference. Then there's the assists - Messi has twice as many as Haaland during the Ballon d'or time period.
Simon is a Cristiano fan, he said it before. The Messi hate is instilled in him.
News flash to English media: Scoring goals alone doesn’t make you the best player in the world. 🤦🏽♂️
you can't separate the ballon d'or from popularity and spectacle to a certain extent, because it's a popular spectator sport. Messi winning the WC was the biggest player spectacle last year for most people.
Haaland is not city's best player so i dont see how he can win.
Do I need to put out the red carpet in order for you to say who in City's team is better than Haaland with that smug tone you've got going on? Please, consider the red carpet laid, and now let's all have a good giggle.
@@Tormented22more goals doesn’t always equal the better player. You’re seriously deluded if you think Haaland is the best player for Man City. They won the league twice in a row without a goal hanging tap in merchant.
KDB is clearly city's best player. I say that in such a smug tone, you'd think I was right.
@@blackkid128 Goal-hanging tap-in merchant 😂 36 in his debut season... isn't he onto his 8th hattrick? All just by being a goal hanger? You still haven't named anyone better than him but go ahead.
@@Tormented22 De Bruyne, Rodri, Bernardo Silva come to mind…
The hypocrisy of the English public shows in this exact debate....The Balon Dor is awarded based on last season performances and accomplishments.... How did Bellingham win young player of the year over Musiala ??? Played in the same league, Musialla score more goals and had more assists than Jude and also score the winning goal that won his club the league title... Bellingham won absolutely nothing and had less goals or assists... where is outrage about Musiala loosing to a player that won 0 titles???
Typical English fans crying 😂
Man City crying that Haaland was robbed of the B'allon Dor. That's not robbery. The real robbery was when Thierry Henry, the Premier's greatest ever player, was beaten by Pavel Nedved - a very poor man's Luka Modric.
I think he was robbed another time by Shevchenko
Nedved was sensational at Juventus, among key players who helped club eliminate Real Madrid in Semifinals and winning Serie A. Meanwhile Henry's Arsenal was eliminated in Last 16 group stage against Valencia. Don't remind of that home fixture against Roma where Arsenal misses easy chances.
Later on in the league they bottled 12 point lead in EPL, conceding title to Manchester United. Infact Ruud Vaanisteroy was better player who stepped up when needed most.
Justin is a legend … he said it as it is
"stinker against Saudi Arabia.." blud definitely has memory of a gold fish or didn't watch the game... This is why people say..stats and scoreline doesn't tell the whole story of the game..
There are no arguments as to why Messi shouldn’t of won the ballon dor. He’s still the best overall player in the world, and to ignore that World Cup perfomance just because its Messi would be ridiculous. Haaland had an incredible year, but Alvarez has the same argument as he does. Take those golas out and he isn’t a better player than Messi. Besides, hell rpobably win it next year.
Messi deserves it. And its quite sad that people like Simon don’t want to enjoy what is a historic moment in football.
Your argument comparing Alvarez to Haaland is a bit outlandish, Alvarez scored 9 goals in the premier league all season last season with about 15 or so overall were as Haaland scored 50+ there is no argument here Haaland was an insane goal scoring machine last season. In theory imagine Norway winning the world cup, would you still argue that Messi was the best player in the world last season? He really wasent but he was exceptional in the world cup.
If you think Messi was best player in Europe last year you have no idea about football. Didn't even do well in the PSG league.
@@alexischristou3266 If WC and UCL had the same weight then Di Stéfano and Puskás would have been considered as the GOATS instead of Pelé and Maradona.
@@blewis1733 Mate he had 60+ G+A across all competitions last season, same as Haaland (and Mbappe)
@@Kuddochan If you take out the friendlies he didn't. And I don't see why those games are counted the same as official games.
Lol English media defo didn’t watch any Messi beyond world cup last season. He had double digit goals & assists for PSG at 35 years last season, how is that a bad season lol it wasn’t amazing PSG should have done better in UCL but still great numbers in conjuction with a brilliant World Cup campaign (Which was the big tournament last year)
Who cares the french league is on par with the 2nd tier in England
@@Jayjaymk1978Completely delusional, Im a Leicester city fan and the difference in quality is completely glaring between 1st division and 2nd. We are running away with the league but would struggle for midtable in the top 5 leagues and even portugal, mind you we have many EPL level players still left in the squad
@@rijantamang8637 the championship is far better more exciting league that the french league fact
@@rijantamang8637 good luck for the rest of the season I'll be at Leicester on the 25th of November Im not holding out much hope lol
If Haaland was that great how on earth he couldn’t get his national team to play in the World Cup
That's not a fair comment a lot of great players never got their national sides to WC's
because Norway population is very small compared Argentina. it's like comparing ant to elephant
If Messi was that great how come he couldn’t get past CL group stages? Awful football player.
@@DannyFarewest You are crying in everyone comment. CR7 fan, right?
@@shiyamkhaledchowdhury6516 nah just a normal football fan who doesn’t d ride overrated trash players
Messi is the best, stop watching Barcelona after he left ditto for PSG and for first time in my life I'm watching the Yanks league...only when Messi play . it's any other player can match that?
It’s an award for the most popular and likable player 😂
Messi won the World Cup. It's understandable. Why Haaland?, and not the rest of City Players? Messi scored and won a World Cup Final. Haaland didn't score in CL final.
At least now we can finally say the combo CR7/Messi era is officially over. Time for a new generation to step up.
Justin said it all “best player!” Not who can score the most tap ins then ghost in a final award
Simon spoke facts Messi was useless in Champions League in all his recent campaigns including Barcelona
Comparing Haaland with Messi is a football crime ,There are two facts here ,#1 You guys never seen football or just plain joules, Let me remained you that there were never been and never will be another Messi ,All around magician on the pitch ,
AGREED with Justin,SPOT ON,i'll stop watching football if players like Haaland winning the Ballon d'ors,i cringe like hell when they show all of his goals on the big screen before he receives the best striker award(he himself probably did too),the name of that award fit his footballing ability,90% of his goals are a taps in,you seriously need a new pair of eyes if you think he is a better player(Overall) than Messi
Haaland ability has improved so much his link up play, his holding up the ball, his passing range and his movement on and off the ball. They could of put that in the video before but you'll still hate. His job is to put the ball in the back of the net that 90% of strikers are struggling to do. He deserved the award for his all round game and helping city finally get the champion league. That they couldn't do with Aguero their greatest striker.
No one's saying he's better. Haaland had a better season. I think that's why Haaland is so good it's not an accident that he's in the right place at the right time for those tap ins
Only you hates his style of playing. Don't expect every footballer to play fancy. Fancy football don't win games. Goals does and that's why Messi is great he scores goals same as Haaland and Mbappe.
@@lanceyt4401NO HE DOESN'T!!! 😂😂😂
@@eL--RaL for you to type in capital letters tells me you have problems.
Justin is speaking pure facts, name me one player that is even close to being a baller like Messi, nobody.... He dribbles better than anyone ever, passes angelic, and the most accurate player to ever shoot the ball, so simon can hate himself there on his chair.... he hasn't played in the PL, what a joke...
You guys are a freaking joke calling World Cup a seven game tournament try winning it
If winning a trophy is the criteria for winning the ballon d'or Julian Alvarez deserves it... And if it's based on the performance at the world cup alone Messi deserves it he was out of this world during the world cup and if it's based upon winning the champions league and scoring the most goal in Europe Halland deserves it .....
😂😂😂 Justin youre amazing!
OMG how did Messi had a bad season with PSG with 20 goals & 20 assists? This bias narraive is NONSENSE. I still remember so many clutch goals Messi scored to win them the match last season. PSG won the league by just 1 point. And without Messi's contribution they don't win it. Then there's Super Cup final where Messi scored twice and won them the trophy being MOTM!
Messi is not a box player, he plays deep and spends more time creating chances. That's what he did in PSG too, creating chances for Mbappe, he didn't take single penalties. So judging Messi in terms of just goals in scandaloous. Messi brought so much more on the table other than just goals unlike Halaand.
Yes Messi didn't win UCL but Halaand wasn't even qualified for the greatest tournament of this year.
And Messi's all timer WC performance leaves no doubt that Messi is also a deserving Winner. We spend decades direspectfully comparing Leo Messi with mere goal-scorers. Let's stop this nonsense and watch football as it is.
LOL Justin straight up spitting facts... He is better footballer by a mile...
Yeah he is, he ain’t better than current Salah though so get your facts straight before you waffle on
LOL a half injured... Messi is better than any version of Salah @@DannyFarewest
Simple fact. Messi carried a bang average team to the highest pinnacle of world football - at the age of 34. He is one of the 3 greatest players ever - no, not talking about Ronaldo - it is Messi, Pele and Maradonna. (That's a debate for another time.)
Mbappe was absolutely horrible for 118 minutes of that final. France had 10 men. He scored 2 penalties and a wonder goal.
Mbappe was not outstanding in the World cup final, but his second goal was. He was no where to be seen until the 80th minute when they received the penalty and disappeared again after the 2nd goal until they got awarded the 3rd penalty. Messi was everywhere in that final. He set up the 2nd goal and scored every other goal. He created almost every big chance Argentina had. At PSG, he finished with 32 goal contributions in the league and 8 goal contributions in the UCL despite not being the player the team was built around.
Haaland had most goals, yes, but he had no major contribution in the semi finals and finals for the FA cup and UCL. We who watch Man City know that he isn't even the best player in his own team; De Bruyne, Bernado Silva, Rodri and Gundogan were the driving force behind his goals and especially the semi finals and finals wins. That's why without Rodri and Bernado Silva Arsenal whooped them this season. If at all goals were all that mattered then Modric would never have won. Benzema deserved it because he actually scored his numerous goals when they mattered most, unlike Halaand who'd score 5 goals against RB Liepzig then miss a penalty vs Bayern, and disappear against Real Madrid and Inter Milan.
By the way, Halaand was worst rated Man City player in the FA Cup and UCL semis and finals.
Lewandowski 2021, mbappe 2018??? 😂😂😂
38 goals , 25 assists, a league title and a world cup?
Matt Le Tissier was miles ahead of Gaza in every department.. Apart from going on the lash
I agree with you I didn't get the gazza hype never did
Liverpool fan, Justin, was spot on.
They gave it to Paolo Rossi who hadn't played that season and the previous two years before the world cup in 1982 due to a match fixing ban, they gave it to Stoichkov instead of Maldini (after Milan beat Barcelona 4-0 in the CL final), to Belanov in 1986, Sammer in 1996, Cannavaro in 2006, and football fans still take this award seriously? It's all PR bull*hit, nothing technically relevant
The caller Justin just summed it up perfectly. Ronaldo, Mbappe, Haaland will and should be given an award for goals. They are goalscorers. Messi is unique. He should have had 15 ballon dors. Barcelona won nothing in 2012 but he won the ballon dor. He has been the best player on the planet for the last 15 years. Its a fact.
I totally agree with Simon, Messi always had better players around him making him look good,
And then playing in sub standard league s after Barcelona,....
Didn't prove how good he supposedly was in better league s,....
He is And was Mr comfort zone....
Always be those who debate, and the debate can rage on IF YOU LIKE. But as he falls in love with the object in the world that his heart most desired, it is difficult to escape the Supposition that he has rendered himself today... THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME 🐐!!
( Peter drury - World cup final 2022)
Unfortunately greatest of all time doesn’t have weight in calendar years 🤡
It's awarded to the best footballer in the world which is Messi
1)Man of the Match trophies in Europe's top five leagues over the past season.
Erling Haaland - 6 (Average rating: 7.54)
Lionel Messi - 14 (Average rating: 8.28)
The Argentine won 14 Man of the Match trophies in the 32 matches he played for PSG.
2)In 55 games across all domestic competitions, Messi scored 32 goals and provided 25 assists.
Halland tally stood at 52 in 53 Games plus nine assists.
Both won 3 major trophies.
I think Both were Brilliant. You can pick and choose whoever you want.
But say Messi play only Good at 7 MATCHES IS MALICIOUS AND DISGRACE.
Haaland didnt show up in Semiz twice against Madrid, he was a ghost in the final against Inter, he didnt show up in the FA cup final against United. He only shows up against Norwhich and Brentford in the league not big games. Can you name me the best goal he scored last season? He just scores tap ins cause his team creates the most chances in the world. He also doesn't have a first touch
Haaland is just a poacher, not abgreat Player, not watchable. The poacher also wasn’t present in some important matches for Man city. Enough of haaland please. Such a bore to watch.
A definitive definition of 'world class' varies from person to person. Over the last 20 years the likes of Rooney, Kane, Gerrard & Lampard for me could be called world class as at their best I think pretty much every team in the world would've had them at their club. However if you're defining world class as the best player in their position then the ONLY English player this century that would qualify (for me) is Ashley Cole, who for a significant number if seasons was the best LB in world football. He also never once had a bad tournament for England which you can't say about 3/4 of the players I've previously mentioned.
As for Messi winning the Ballon d'Or, whilst it was inevitable, I personally think it was completely justified. Haaland had an incredible season but - and there's no way of proving this - I think the chance that Man City would've won the treble without Haaland is much higher than the chance that Argentina would've won the World Cup without Messi
Simon is talking rubbish. Messi was instrumental for PSG first half of the season leading up to the WC
for what? what did he win for them beside farmers league title?
He went missing in the UCL on a superteam
Insteumental in getting spanked 3-0 by Bayern in RO16? 😭💀 Where is he on a club level since 2016??? Ghosting for 7 years lmao
@@adikapic7542 win for them? What do you mean? Did he not contribute to PSG winning the league? Yes without Leo PSG still wins the league but guess what City probably still hits the treble without Haaland but ARG does not win the WC without Messi's contribution
@@adikapic7542 The World Cup duh.
Bodied that Simon fraud to the floor.... what a perspective and beat on his own logic...
These conversations are annoying. Beckham, Ferdinand, scholes, Gerrard, lampard, Rooney, Owen, Gascoigne, lineker, walker, shearer, seaman, Terry. Robson!! FFS. All of those players were world class. They would have walked into any club side or international side in world football. That's world class. Some were the very best in their position at one time or another, which is a cut above world class. Stop trying to redefine the meaning of world class and also forgetting just how good our players were.
Simon Jordan saying that Messi "played poorly" for PSG and that his performance was a "stinker" vs Saudi Arabia,
either means that he's incapable of judging a player's performance apart from the collective performance and success... or that he's just a Messi hater.
Messi was PSG's best performer for several months, and the guy who was behind (most of) the best attacking moves of the team. I lost count how many times Messi gave excellent assists which were squandered by his teammates, Mbappé in particular. Regardless of PSG's failures as a team, Messi did his job and he did it very well. No wonder he was Ligue 1's best playmaker, and the official number don't even reflect the fact that Messi was the player involved in most of the direct and indirect goalscoring chances created.
People need to start watching football, before debating about it.