What i dont understand about the piked grigoras is the fact that it looks almost identical to what Chellsie Memmel performed. I know its different but it should be worth the same either way. I think a Barani is only an E which is ridiculous
Yeah, I saw on another channel that the judges at Jesolo told Shilese Jones that the FIG would only give the skill an F value rather than a G, even though it has a blind landing. I get why no one's bothering with it if it's getting an F. At this rate, it'd only be worth performing if you had a Silivas as the first pass and wanted to use the double tuck 3/2 as your second pass but didn't feel comfortable with a Chuso. Even then, I feel like most gymnasts would be more comfortable doing a DLO.
I was optimistic giving it a G. I wouldn’t mind the F-rating if the Silivas has downgraded to G. But that’s not the case. Given they rated the Oliveira (Dos Santos Half Out) the same as the Dos Santos (both F), this was to be expected.
OK so check this out-- Shilese and Jocelyn both need to add the 1 1/2 as their third pass. Not only would it significantly boost their already high difficulty, but both land it successfully and with good execution.
The piked grigoras is already in the cop: It's either skill 5.508 (E) Free (aerial) round-off tucked or piked - take off from 2 feet or skill 5.613 (F) Jump fwd with ½ twist (180°) - salto bwd tucked or piked There is a lot of confusion about these two skills and no one knows for sure which is the Grigoras and which is the Barani. Even stranger is that the piked version of the F skill is already named after Produnova. So, either the piked Grigoras is actually the Produnova, or it's the E valued skill. But the description of the E skill is more that of a Barani. Basically WHO KNOWS.
Would FIG consider the Endo-Jaeger to be 2 separate skills and not name it? I seem to recall a situation where Huang Qiushuang was originally given credit for an Endo-Ono pirouette but then it was removed from the code again shortly after.
The Huang was removed from the code because the WTC decided that all L-grip endo fulls should be considered the same skill, with the same value, regardless of technique. It’s absurd since the Ono/Bi is an E by itself, and even more absurd since non-flight skills are capped at E anyway. There’s no reason to train/compete the formerly-known-as-the Huang and FIG just stomped innovation (not to mention a beautiful skill) out of existence.
@@steveha6256 My bad, so they considered it just a regular endo full rather than Endo + Ono? SMH. It's so unfortunate because the "Huang" was one of the most difficult and beautiful skills on UB.
@@gymnasticsmasterclass That's better but still stupid. There is no reason not to include national competitions. Even junior and NCAA competitions should be included. If you performed the skill, you performed it, and it's a skill.
@@fernlin-healy2174 Should not. The skills should be performed in international FIG competitions and recognized by judges with credential worldwide, not by a local group of judges. Each national competition has different scale of judging, and probably would credit problematic skills that are claimed to be "new". Also, different national competitions have vastly different dates, while dates for FIG competitions are fixed for global competitors. That would introduce tons of chaos than before if skills performed in national competition is accepted.
@@fernlin-healy2174 I think junior and senior codes are separate for naming purposes. IIRC, Shilese actually has the 1.5 tuck named after her in the junior code. NCAA has its own code. The first college gymnast to perform a skill in a NCAA meet will have it named after them in that code.
The FIG evaluates prior to the competition. Since they have to submit the skills before the competition, judges have enough time to decide the preliminary rating of the skills and determine if they can credit the skills in competition according to the skill description.
@@cocoroni1031what if the gymnast accidently performs a skill like the 3/2 double tuck by mistake (like they didn't get enough height on a double double so ended it early?) Hence they wouldn't submit the skill prior to competing.
@@halfway7690 No new skill will be named for accident. Nakamura has been performed for decades. It's named until this year when Nakamura formally submitted the skill.
So… the title is wrong because there as never a successful attempt in a qualifying meet. You can’t just do a skill in secret and get it named after you. that’s the entire point of the rule. Or else I would have submitted having a stroke and vomiting all over a manger scene while playing violin at a Christmas Eve mass to the FIG after I did it in 2017. Though it would definitely be banned as too dangerous because I’m paralyzed now.
the endo-jaeger is cool af
Ty for showing these tricks in slo-mo. They happen so fast it’s hard to appreciate it fully. Thank you 🤸🏼♀️
The Endo/Yaeger looks cool and oldschool! As if it could be performed in the 70s/80s (just like the Comanechi-salto)
I love the double tuck 1 1/2
What i dont understand about the piked grigoras is the fact that it looks almost identical to what Chellsie Memmel performed. I know its different but it should be worth the same either way. I think a Barani is only an E which is ridiculous
It’s an F, i believe
@@ojk46 I think they devalued it
With a Barani you can spot the beam the whole time and with the grigoras it’s blind until the half turn
It’s an F if you turn into a back somi, they class the Birani now as a free round off and only gets an E rating
Endo Jaeger and double tuck 1 1/2 are so cool. the blind landing of the latter makes it more compelling to watch than the double tuck 2/1
double tuck 3/2 is so undervalued, no one really wants to compete it in FIG events.
Yeah, I saw on another channel that the judges at Jesolo told Shilese Jones that the FIG would only give the skill an F value rather than a G, even though it has a blind landing. I get why no one's bothering with it if it's getting an F. At this rate, it'd only be worth performing if you had a Silivas as the first pass and wanted to use the double tuck 3/2 as your second pass but didn't feel comfortable with a Chuso. Even then, I feel like most gymnasts would be more comfortable doing a DLO.
I was optimistic giving it a G. I wouldn’t mind the F-rating if the Silivas has downgraded to G. But that’s not the case.
Given they rated the Oliveira (Dos Santos Half Out) the same as the Dos Santos (both F), this was to be expected.
the endo-jaeger is fun!
Pang Panpan also competed the piked grigoras at 2004 chinese nationals.
OK so check this out-- Shilese and Jocelyn both need to add the 1 1/2 as their third pass. Not only would it significantly boost their already high difficulty, but both land it successfully and with good execution.
The piked grigoras is already in the cop:
It's either
skill 5.508 (E)
Free (aerial) round-off tucked or piked - take off from 2 feet
or
skill 5.613 (F)
Jump fwd with ½ twist (180°) - salto bwd tucked or piked
There is a lot of confusion about these two skills and no one knows for sure which is the Grigoras and which is the Barani.
Even stranger is that the piked version of the F skill is already named after Produnova.
So, either the piked Grigoras is actually the Produnova, or it's the E valued skill. But the description of the E skill is more that of a Barani.
Basically WHO KNOWS.
Your awesome
Would FIG consider the Endo-Jaeger to be 2 separate skills and not name it? I seem to recall a situation where Huang Qiushuang was originally given credit for an Endo-Ono pirouette but then it was removed from the code again shortly after.
The Huang was removed from the code because the WTC decided that all L-grip endo fulls should be considered the same skill, with the same value, regardless of technique. It’s absurd since the Ono/Bi is an E by itself, and even more absurd since non-flight skills are capped at E anyway. There’s no reason to train/compete the formerly-known-as-the Huang and FIG just stomped innovation (not to mention a beautiful skill) out of existence.
@@steveha6256 My bad, so they considered it just a regular endo full rather than Endo + Ono? SMH. It's so unfortunate because the "Huang" was one of the most difficult and beautiful skills on UB.
The requirement that you have to submit it at a Worlds or Olympics is so stupid. You should be allowed to submit it at any competition.
Now it’s every FIG official competition, national competitions are not included
@@gymnasticsmasterclass That's better but still stupid. There is no reason not to include national competitions. Even junior and NCAA competitions should be included. If you performed the skill, you performed it, and it's a skill.
@@fernlin-healy2174 Should not. The skills should be performed in international FIG competitions and recognized by judges with credential worldwide, not by a local group of judges. Each national competition has different scale of judging, and probably would credit problematic skills that are claimed to be "new". Also, different national competitions have vastly different dates, while dates for FIG competitions are fixed for global competitors. That would introduce tons of chaos than before if skills performed in national competition is accepted.
@@fernlin-healy2174 I think junior and senior codes are separate for naming purposes. IIRC, Shilese actually has the 1.5 tuck named after her in the junior code.
NCAA has its own code. The first college gymnast to perform a skill in a NCAA meet will have it named after them in that code.
I have a probably dumb question, but if an element is not in the code of point how do the judges judge it??
The FIG evaluates prior to the competition. Since they have to submit the skills before the competition, judges have enough time to decide the preliminary rating of the skills and determine if they can credit the skills in competition according to the skill description.
@@cocoroni1031 thanks!!
@@cocoroni1031what if the gymnast accidently performs a skill like the 3/2 double tuck by mistake (like they didn't get enough height on a double double so ended it early?) Hence they wouldn't submit the skill prior to competing.
@@halfway7690 No new skill will be named for accident. Nakamura has been performed for decades. It's named until this year when Nakamura formally submitted the skill.
@@cocoroni1031 I mean how would the judges rate it?
No way the endo-jaeger would only be a D it would have to at least be an E prolly an F
Maybes its just me but the endo jaeger just feels a little clunky. Like, youre just staying in straddle position the entire time.
I feel like it’s hard to generate amplitude in the release, not a lot of momentum going into it.
Splendid double tuck 1 1/2. Didn't you?
So… the title is wrong because there as never a successful attempt in a qualifying meet. You can’t just do a skill in secret and get it named after you. that’s the entire point of the rule. Or else I would have submitted having a stroke and vomiting all over a manger scene while playing violin at a Christmas Eve mass to the FIG after I did it in 2017. Though it would definitely be banned as too dangerous because I’m paralyzed now.
Why did I think this was a video about programming with the thumbnail representing the emotional state of programmers