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- Опубліковано 27 бер 2023
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The Dungeons & Dragons Digital Play Experience is an immersive virtual tabletop (VTT) that makes it easier to play and create your D&D sessions with friends. Playtests are coming later this year.
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I think the most important thing with this VTT is ensuring User-made content is freely and easily accessible. Being able to browse a "Steam workshop" like interface downloading other people's assets that they have uploaded with just a few clicks would allow me as a DM to quickly set the board. Official content excites me but there NEEDS to be a large collection of free user made content to fill out the rest or people won't make the switch.
Free lol
lol that ain't going to happen (even if they say that's the goal in the video. After the OGL mess, I don't believe that for a second haha)
There also needs to be paid content. Users should be allowed to sell their own created assets as they see fit via the marketplace. DnDBeyond can take like a 15%-20% cut or w.e. but I'd like to pay designers and sell stuff myself like with Mini STLs.
The ideal scenario is a mix of official content and free and paid community content. If Wizards could facilitate something similar to the marketplace that already exists- a mix of easy-to-use tools for Dungeon Masters, quality free content (most likely made by creators with Patreons or the like), and quality paid content- we’d have a really good VTT on our hands. Anything less than that and we’re being cheated.
@@randomyoutubecommenterr it's not dnd without homebrew, they might make it less convenient to get player created content but it's 100% going to be there.
I can see this for online play, but I die inside looking at a table of people in person looking at their screens talking to each other but not even looking at each other, absolute nightmare lol
I came here to say exactly this. I totally get it if you have a cross continent group of people in different areas who all want to play together, but then again we've also had Roll20 for a decade now. This is a posher version of that.
I find this super exciting. My entire group is spread across 4 states so this helps a lot.
Show it on a TV in the room, or even better on the table, center stage. Everyone has to look down so they won't do it outside of needed, + raising eyesight gives contact with other players
Yeah, I cringe watching everyone look at their screens even more than they already do in this world.
But you look at others when talking to them? You just look at the screen when deciding what to do or to see a portrait
As someone who has tried their share of various VTTs for distant parties - the only way this lives is if the community finds it good enough to create content for it.
That's pretty much what's keeping D&D going at this point anyway. Some of their stuff is just pure fluff just to put a book out.
@@hologramxero yes, but I meant specifically the usability. They need to find a really good balance and either release some official maps and scenes themselves, and make them available to those, who own the books, or allow people to make content for those official books like curse of strahd or wildemount/netherdeep/dragonlance and share them themselves. There are a lot of people who want to play those modules, but very few of them have enough time and dedication to actually create things like that in a completely new environment. Especially when you can simply get the Roll20 ready module and whatnot. And if wotc forbids such sharing and only makes it available for your own homebrew stuff (and they might, because creating publicly available thighs for official campaigns is one step away from playing without buying) - this thing will die out within a year, like the DM mode for Divinity: Original Sin II (which looks exactly like this vtt, but on an older engine and with like 4 features less)
@@arklainquirk that's nice. I'll still have to buy them over again, won't I? I already have like 7 books, and I'm not sure I'm eager to spend another, what, 150 bucks for stuff I already have?)
inb4 WotC pulls a Bethesda and tries to make money off mods made by loving fans for the fans.
"I really have a sorcerer I want to play, can I import it?" -- that moment in a reality show where you know someone has been fed a line before it's shot.
and?
@@ericlake62 and it wreaks of corporate corniness, the death of fun. I can imagine the money grubbing little producers in the background talking about how they can charge 50$ a month for this because all other VTT's will be copyright banned.
Reality show? This was definitely a scripted shoot
It's almost like they're advertising a future product to people who might not know anything that it'll be capable of (coming from someone who didn't know anything it'll be capable of)
@@efugee stop crying already
"There are a lot of ways to play D&D online and not all of them are hitting the three big things we felt are important"
1. Others shouldn't have the chance to offer better content than us
2. Only we should be making money from TTRPGs
3. Everyone playing the game should be paying us money as much as possible
I'll always remember how Wizards said that animated spell effects in a VTT "isn't in spirit of the game" and were going to not allow DnD to be supported on any vtt that did.
yeah, so they could be the only one that have it. Welcome to capitalism - if you can't secure a monopoly, create one.
@Araon The Drake never forget Hasbro stole The Landlord's Game from the public and rebranded it as "Monopoly".
As a DM who primarily homebrews, and isn’t a computer programmer, this looks like a TON of work. It looks like it will easily triple my prep time.
I use Talespire. I basically only whip it out if there is a major combat coming out because theatre of the mind works well enough with my group anyways
Watching this, I kept wondering if this might be a case where, if done properly, generative AI could help with at least some of that.
If they follow the Talespire model people like me (professional builders) can spend hundreds of hours creating things so that you can drop it instantly into your game :) Be it a full map, fortress, inn or whatever.
I hear you; I'm very curious about how easy it might be customize player characters or NPCs. Worst case scenario, I'm hoping that this could replace the battlemat and then we'll all just roll physical dice and keep all of the game system out of the VTT so that I can keep my system as homebrewed as I like it.
Shouldn't be too crazy. Talespire is pretty simple to do. It's obviously not as quick as drawing a map on paper, but it's hours faster than doing mini's or printing/painting terrain. I'd imagine you could also do 'scenario' instances, where you make it once and just reuse it, or maybe can have randomly generated buildings. They are developing A.I for DnD after all and that would help immensely with time saving here.
Not hitting the big 3 things
Fun
Convenience
Authenticity
He missed off the 4th thing:
Micro transactions
The ability to charge players for every single little aspect of their character.
The best thing about d&d is all you need is a sheet of paper and a pencil. If their new focus is this then there goes accessibility
If they want to make money, sell dice and other cool bonus stuff. Keep the character stats free for the poor player, and feed the rich collector's fetish with new hats every month.
Agreed
@@efugeeIt's not that players who buy the DLC are nescessarily rich, they're usually simply susceptible people who are being taken advantage of. The whales.
Remember when Wizards only a few months ago said that animating spells was closer to a video game than a VTT and was, therefore not covered by the OGL?
That is a, revelation.
such a bad take to begin with even worse they probably only said that so they would be the only ones to have it.
My only issue with this and DnD Beyond is that I’ve spend SOOO much money on physical books because I primarily play in person, and love having them on hand, but I don’t want to buy them again, just to use a digital version of content I already own.
Fair point and I'm on the opposite end of that spectrum. I've been pouring into DnDB since I got back into D&D 2 years ago and I'm backfilling my digital library with occasional hardcover purchases.
It would be dope if you could redeem a digital copy of every physical purchase like Magic the Gathering cards and the game.
pdf exists
@@sharkpyro93yeah but you can’t port in a PDF copy you haven’t “purchased” on DnD Beyond.
one thing I really really **really** want is for them to add this cool 3d maps to existing published adventures. Imagine taking your party to Castle Ravenloft or Undermountain
That would be awesome but I bet they will at the very least, have maps & locations based on new campaigns with D&D One.
Best to play it with friends around the table than in from of a computer. No need of 3d maps, imagination is all you need.
Oh don't worry they will, and you are going to have a pay a pretty penny for it.
I've been there and trust me is amazing.. depends on your imagination
@@christophemortier5878 agreed but when your high school friends group scattered across 5 countries and 3 continents, that’s no longe viable
Tabletop simulator already does this and it works for more then just D&D
This is the most dystopian thing I have ever seen in a while. Just... What a hell is this? It looks like a LAN gaming center, not a normal DnD session.
All I see is a cash shop... Sell you a mini, sell you building blocks, rent you a table, sell you everything, all for an awkward play experience that lands somewhere between a tabletop and a video game. Want to play Ravenloft? Have you purchased the Ravenloft furniture pack? The building pack? The NPC pack? The monster pack? The Taroka deck pack? I just hope that it includes a player donate to DM button, because this ride is gonna be expensive.
You're describing a modern video game, this is being pitched as a virtual tabletop.
While it IS WoTC we are talking about here, unless they want 0% market share over the other virtual tabletops, this is *highly* unlikely.
@@TheLordLogic you know that the current boss comes from Digital gaming / Smartphone games. He KNOWS how to put microtransactions into games?
I bet that it will be a requirement for each individual person to purchase the features they want to see on their end. For example, playing Ravenloft? Then each person either needs to buy the Ravenloft pack or they will just see the generic placeholder furniture and NPCs. Kinda like each person needing to buy all the features if they want to see them
@@Zanji1234 The thing is we already have plenty of big, established VTTs that don't do that, so if WotC wants to actually break into the VTT market they have to do something better (or at least different) than their competition at a comparable price point. It's a win-win for players because either WotC does something actually great and accessible with their VTT, or they flop and everyone stays with their known and loved VTT
@@anderescobar4752 it's not like WOTC make inane decisions that receives massive backlash from the community after it got leaked... right?
Some of the great things about the library of D&D books I've collected over the years: lifetime access, I can "import" any thing I want from anywhere I want, and I can do it all without a subscription fee.
We use a tv mounted in a table for our maps. I’d like a top down view so we can use these maps on our setup, but use our physical minis.
I think I read where it was optional where it can be 2d top down
ofc you'd be able to change camera angles
WotC - That'll be an additional $5 a month
How do you do that? Sounds so interesting. Legit curious.
You can already do that with Foundry or the other VTTs. I say Foundry bc that's what I use.
I hope that they partner which sites like Hero Forge so that I can import my characters from there or that they have extensive character customization.
Don’t worry, I’m sure there will be plenty of customization. The real question is how much you’re going to have to pay to use it.
One of those minis looked like a hero forge one so I'm thinking that'll be a yes
@@doubleviewer13 whatever it is, my answer will be yes
@@amandag.6186 to each their own I reckon. I definitely respect it though, I just personally have a liking to physical minis. But for those who don’t have access to minis or terrain this will be a really good tool to have.
Okay this is how you monetize D&D.
Ever heard of miniatures?
Yes but most dnd dms will allow you to use any miniature or pretty much anything you have this you have to buy each ine to have their powers.
Microtransactions?? You understand that's where this is going, right??
@@backcountry164 honestly is it any different from buying a mini, or 3d printing them and then painting it. You're still spending money if you want that experience.
And if you don't, you just get a monopoly hat or a piece of paper with the words "barbarian goes brr" written on it.
Similarly you can just okay with your character token on another vtt options like roll 20.
Not quite if they team up with hero forge then I think things might make it easier
So at what point does it stop being a TTRPG and it becomes a video game?
You still have a human DM and full player agency to make whatever crazy plans they want. Video games can't give the same level of freedom. This is a tool because its not a game in its own right.
I think it's already there
@@Wertbag99 you still look more at a screen than roleplay with your players. The GM has to build everything in advance and the encounters play like a strategy MMO
Digital assets take away from what the very spirit of the game is all about
@@Zanji1234 not even an MMO but a lazily made Tactical RPG.
Really dope for those of us that are far away from each other...yet I cringe inside looking at a group of players sit down at a table together, talk and look at laptops.
I worry about cost , it’s one thing to have a monthly fee , but micro (Marco) transaction are killing a lot of online games and it would do the same for any ttrpg
@@arklainquirk reference? where did they say that?
Sitting around with computers and animated visuals takes away from what makes dnd fun for me. Imagination.
I understand, but some people need tactile. Like I tried getting my hubby and my mother to play once. It did not go over well lol. They don't have the imagination for this like we do. Bless their hearts. But then again Gary did design it to be played with maps and minis and such. So let's say we didn't have VTTs and you tried getting people to play, for most of us it would never happen. Like for me no one I know plays dnd, and I live in the boonies. So I say modernize the heck out of dnd. It's very exciting to make dnd accessible to all these new people who think they can't play for a number of reasons. Then ween them off VTTs they're more likely to be able to visualize what's going on.
@@dokushirizo ive played dnd without mats and minis. Straight up role play and dice. Still had tons of fun
Imagine being in that beautiful space, dice on the table, gridded mat in front of you that is in full detail, PHB 5 inches away from your hands and youre stuck on your computer.....
It's a travesty. And how many will be just alt-tabbing between 5 other distractions at the same time.
Most people who use this are going to be playing with friends who live all around the country or world. The setup they are using is awkward but it isn't intended to show how most people will use the VTT. They are in their offices so they can show people the features of the program.
@@WhatTheFrogDoing I know who it’s for, my comment is about this specific video and it’s weird direction
As a DM I worry that a platform such as this is not going to be accessible to players that don't have the money for a good laptop. I'd like to see this usable on tablets as well, but even still, what's the use if you or your players cannot afford whatever tech is necessary to use the virtual tabletop? This feels like a move towards gaming for those with money to burn than it does for accessibility to everyone. D&D was never meant to played by just those with loads of cash, its a game for EVERYONE.. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the effort that's going in to something like this, and I appreciate the effort that's already been poured into other virtual tabletops, but the idea of gathering around a table in person and then pulling out your laptop to "immerse" yourself into the game world just doesn't feel quite right. If you're all at a table already, a setup like this feels unnecessary. *shrugs* Maybe I'm getting to old these days.
I mean, part of the reason they’re all together even though they’re on a VTT is definitely because it just makes a better, easier-to-film ad, I don’t know how much they’re actually expecting in-person groups to use the VTT.
With all of these kinds of things they will be a fit for some people and not others. It's giving more options and that's always a good thing. This system doesn't replace anything or remove any systems, its in addition to everything we currently have.
This isn't a "everyone must now use this or they cant play" thing. If you don't have the means to play, or don't want to play this way. There's nothing wrong with a traditional set up
Its not. you will still be able to play as you do now with ur friends who don't have laptops and tablets. They are aiming to bring this to console so that's about as low a barrier to entry as you could ask for in terms of a game dnd or not. If your friends can't get a console you could alleays get another player who isn't the dm to share their screen via a discord stream so they can see the world and the dm can move thier mini. So if you look at it that way anyone can play. I don't have the means or space to buy a big table to sit around with my friends. My misses and kids would not want my smelly loud friends in our house lol and even I could my friends wouldn't want to sit around a table and play that way. You don't need to use this just like I don't have to play at a table. This is exactly what I want for dnd and I don't have a crazy powerfull pc (RTX2060 and ryzen 3600x 16gb ram). I use the rpg engine and tabletop simulator now but to have dnd beyond plugged right into the game would be a game changer for me. When I dm I have so many screens on the go it gets overwhelming
I mean, there is always streaming on discord, thats what some of my players sometimes have to do for AboveVTT
I love how the table is filled with dice that nobody use and how they all look only at the screens when play the NOT videogame, telling us how now we can make a scene with rain and specific a mood.
Truly ground breaking! I can't wait to see the microtransactions and the ingame shop and ads, let's gooooooooooooooo!
Seriously this is kinda sad for D&D
I really don't understand this elitism in the D&D community. This is just another VTT for D&D who many many people who are distant can enjoy, and it's seems quite cool as well. I think the sad things is not the presentation of something that one may or not may be interested in using, I think the sad thing is labelling everything as bad and sad just because it doesn't align with someone way to play the game or experiencing things.
Is it raining?
DM: 'As you move down the road, grey clouds roll in and a deluge of rain begins to fall......'
While a VTT is handy for keeping track of battle maps. For exploration and dungeon delving etc, this seems like a nightmare. The prep involved by the GM would be horrific to get any real level of immersion. And no digital token is going to compare to the image in my mind when as a player, my DM describes an ancient dragon, unfurling its wings before me as it readies its breath weapon.
This looks like a video game, and if I wanted to play a video game, that's what I'd do. Not what I want from my role playing, that I want to lose myself in a scene in my imagination.
In a recent game, we were on an airship, caught in a storm, with our half-orc flying up to secure a rope, being blown back and forth in the winds. No VTT will replicate the craziness of that scene like a good DM describing it for my imagination and this proposed VTT would in fact take from the immersiveness.
The community created content is a winner idea for them. Its the reason that people are still playing Neverwinter Nights 20 years later.
But can you play Pathfinder on it? That's what really matters.
I'm skeptical, nervous about pricing and the monetization model, just seeing ankheg (painted) makes me think you have to purchase that or a non painted one.
That being said, the actual VTT looks good. Visually appealing (though this raised minimum system requirements concerns since it's using UE5) and it looks easy for players to get in and start rolling.
I would love to see more from GM side. Like how hard is it to make maps for or adjust maps that you buy? As someone who has used foundry for two years (and roll 20 for several years before that) I'm always calculating prep time when I use tools like this.
RIP Theatre of the Mind
Was thinking the same exact thing.
I agree, not having to imagine or narrate anything will be perfect!!
_[uwu intensifies.]_
Looks exactly like talespire, which comes with free updates, HeroForge integration, and great tilesets with varying themes...all done by an indie dev team...
And it's something you will buy and never have to spend money on ever again. Whereas this will most likely be subscription based.
They still don't know the community. They are just a big money Corp, about to fail again!
@@daved.8483 They won´t fail.
I can see the difference between unreal 5 and Talespire blocks.
so strange each one using their own laptop, interesting tool to play online, but face to face is not for me
You don't have to use it to play face to face, it's just how they chose to do so here. Especially since some do D&D content on UA-cam and such and probably didn't want the program outside of the showcase environment yet
@@urcovered1231 Of course, no one is obligated to do anything. But it's weird when you do a commercial for a new product and the model you present isn't what you expect the majority to use. What I see is Wizard saying buy our VTT, play on your own device controlling your character, that's way more fun than anything you can imagine.
That was the impression I had, as an online tool ok, personally not so much. I've played using a screen as a table for tactical combat and I found it bureaucratic, but it's a matter of preference and that's okay.
The saddest dnd game ever, where you are seated together physically in a room, with dice and a big battle map in front of you… and you pull out your laptops and stare at the tiny screens.
Yeah, that’s not it. This isn’t D&D. I’m sorry.
Obviously you're not gonna have people play in this exact type of set up, i imagine they did this purely for easier filming.
Why the hell would u gather together to play on the laptop this is for when you can’t
There is an official and a custom content approach to D&D.
DMs are supposed to make their landscape, but it would be a helluva challenge to fully piece together a module or adapt premade like Strahd to make it work. The problem is in that homebrew content we all love to do. D&D is a tabeltop and that will always have a fan base of in person players. Same with chess, uno, poker, monopoly, and other games done when with people.
What I can grasp, well in fact, is that my group does things over Discord. We share screens, play music from UA-cam while playing, and do our RP with our cameras on. We live in 4 different cities. So , a digital rendition is acceptable. Not all the time do we play with miniatures and such. Why? I get it that it is part of the culture, but we dont have to do it all the time. We draw our characters and draw scenes for what happened in a play session and character portrait expressions. We move stuff around on google drawings. This is a 3d alternative to google drawings. I can accept that part.
I am not looking forward to the monetization plan, but I am curious to see what can be fully utilized by the time I care to try it.
Some of my friends have chosen to start building in pathfinder rather than d&d beyond. For me, I could care less so long as I use theatre of the mind.
If neither are available, I would just home brew diablo 2 classes into D&D and move with that lol. It wouldn't matter to me so long as I am having fun.
God I hope they don't make it really expensive and stuff (but it is WotC tbf)
A bunch of people sitting around together looking at their laptops - so very sad. This is great if remote is the only option, but my gaming is a chance to have real human interaction without looking at a screen.
Very impressive. It looks like you went all-in with this.
Coming from someone who plays D&D through discord, I would hope that they make this accessible through mobile phones.
He mentioned phones as well as “game consoles” for where players can use this
Why? Do you not have any laptops or PCs?
D&D 2023: Imagination no longer required. Isnt' that exciting players? .... p...players? ... anybody at all? .... .... Right.
Now we just ask the question
Is it online only ( no real tabletop)?
The thing I love about roll20 is I can copy an image from google and paste it right on to the battlefield. I think I’ll stick to that.
Alright, lets just get this out of the way.
If you're already playing at a table with your friends, this VTT clearly isn't made for you.
This is for people, like myself, who can't play at an actual table or go to their LGS and play there. This is a fantastic option for people like us and i honestly can't wait to get my hands on it later this year (hopefully).
I hope you have enough coin to pay for it. 😏
Yesssssssssss, exactly! My friends are so scattered. I have two friends who are local-ish, one who lives a few hours away, and then 3 others in totally different states. Without VTTs, I would not be able to play with them at all. Even for my friends who are local-ish, we're adults, and work schedules are a thing. If I only played at a physical table with those friends, we would be so much more heavily restricted in the times and days we could play. With VTTs, I can play with my friends who have moved out of state, and scheduling is not as much of an issue. I can have D&D virtually, or I can have no D&D at all. Those of you who are lucky that everyone you want to play with lives nearby and you can play in person, lucky! Many of us are not that lucky.
If you are already using something like Foundry, this is DEFINITELY not for you. Its cute, but severely limited.
There are already a good amount of excellent options for online DnD.
There are other, better VTT already on the market that give a much more authentic tabletop experience than this video game like abomination.. go buy into it for all I care, I actually think this is the best community gift WotC has given us since 4th edition as the people race to the exits and find better rpg systems amd settings.. the OSR B/X scene is doing wonderfully right now
What I like about this is the idea that it feels a lot like playing IRL - eg rendering *tabletop minis* instead of the full characters
I never played D&D before but I was always under the impression that D&D was about imagination and being taken to the world within one’s mind and imagining the fight scenes etc through the master?
Sort of, theater of the mind is usually a budget option. Having actual maps to play on and tokens is the standard. It is a game, not playing pretend.
I'm... Mixed. This has great potentiel but I gotta know the price. If it costs X amount and it's yours forever, cool. But if they charge the whole table a monthly bill+books+a DM mode+etc. Look, I'm out. I'll stick with books.
I'll be setting up soooo many set pieces with this. A good random content generator for the broad strokes and artistry tools will make this a dream.
like dungeonalchemist?
Where are these player character models from? Will I be able to create a model for my characters, or are there a handful of premade models for the races/classes?
You might get some basic premades but you're crazy if you think any further models will come from any source other than microtransactions.
That would be amazing if we could import our character models from Hero Forge!
Looking at the models, I'm not sure if Hero Forge support would really be needed if this has a built-in character creator, but it'd still be great to have Hero Forge support regardless.
Very cool. My biggest concern is the money-fication interfering with just being able to play a game. Also, wondering if it will have 'fog of war'
If we have to wait 2 seconds for each magic missile like in the video, this is going to be terrible.
I'm hoping they have an option for tile visuals of the world. Feels weird having characters on that video game esc world. Right now Talespire is a much better visual in my opinion for how a virtual tabletop should be.
¿Habrá versión para consolas?, Y de ser ese el caso, ¿Habrá versión física de esas versiones?
Anyone know if there have been any updates recently? They mentioned playtests coming later this year, but I haven't heard a peep about it.
This video is something i think we should've seen towards the completion of it, and not now. What id be more interested in seeing is its level of convenience for the DM to set up, from the maps (both 3D and 2D), how clustered or clean character sheets and monster stat blocks are and setup, homebrew functionality and rule variations (since this isnt pf2e), and what is given freely to users and whats behind paywalls (integration with beyond).
The competition is roll20, the former? official online way, and foundry, which is IMO the best way to play TTRPGs online. So being able to show the differences of behind the scenes prep is way more important.
Others have said, and i agree, that community created content is what will cause this to sink or swim, so would be a nice thing to see how that will work. Also it will definitely sink if dm AND player have to purchase this and not just the DM, so we definitely need to see minimal specs required.
Hopefully the next video regarding this will be more backend focused for the troopers who run our games.
Also, for those who say "i guess this will replace in person now huh heuheuheu", just shut up, this doesn't replace in person games, its another tool to use for gaming, not a requirement.
This is REALLY like the bare minimum here, this is basically Talespire or even something like Divinity 2 Original Sin's Dungeon Master mode. It'll be interesting to see how they handle assets/marketplace especially considering the shitshow that was a couple of months ago. I think this will become the main VTT because most people just use Roll20 and anything is better than that but I'm not expecting a whole lot with Wizard's recent behaviour.
Also I wonder if it will only play One D&D or 5e also and will it always be up to date with the newest rules and content with no option to turn it off. I like Tashas rules but alot of people don't and I'm sure they want the option to toggle stuff like that.
So far from the forum post it supports 5e but I do wonder if they will update the program to run with 1dnd rules once those are officially out.
if its like Divinity 2 Original Sin's Dungeon Master mode then i am all for it - even if that was a bit cunkly to get into. If its more inituative to use, then i would.
Switch to foundry or fantasy grounds, roll20 is terrible.
@@DS3today I already use foundry, but majority of people I know use Roll20 & DndBeyond or just one of them, which makes a really barebones VTT like this seem super appealing because the upgrade is massive
D&D isn’t supposed to ever have been an MMO micro transaction thing.
Is this cool? Yes.
Is it a cash cow from a company that’s money hungry? Yes
And yet some DMs have entire cupboards full of miniatures, sacks full of dice, a room to store all their dwarven forge terrain, their wyrmwood dice box/tower/tray, custom game table, and box of spell templates, condition markers and of course the custom DM screen. D&D is full of micro-transactions, moving those same things to a digital version doesn't really change that.
@@Wertbag99 exactly, hows this any different?
@@Wertbag99 To be fair, there is a difference. Digital assets are naturally transient, and none of the things you list are even needed to play the game (outside of a couple of dice). I have dice from the late 1970s. I don't have to worry about whether I will have them when I go to play other games. Purchased 40+ years ago, and I can still use them.
@@penitentialarts Nothing I've listed is required to play the game, and neither are digital assets. Everything that can currently be bought as a micro-transaction is optional, just like digital assets. The original statement "D&D isn't supposed to ever have been a micro-transaction thing" ignores the fact that it has always had that option and the introduction of new ways to play doesn't change that.
I agree there is a debate that can be had of the value of physical goods vs digital items, but it's always a pros vs cons question, not a clear cut one option is better.
It is not cool in any way.
Looks like exactly what I was hoping it would be.
I do think DM dice should be able to be hidden for players, if that's not already a setting.
And I also think the vfx for spells and actions should be optional as well, if they aren't already.
Using a map for a random roleplaying moment in an inn is definitely not the right way to use something like that. I could see me using it for combat only, and only if playing online. The idea of 5 people at the same table playing D&D looking at nothing by their screens is abominable to me.
That line about making content on the building blocks that others can break down yada yada hits a little different after the OGL stunt and canceling the SXSW appearance to avoid that public scrutiny.
The release of the video around SXSW is very revealing as to why those appearances were cancelled.
TLDR, don't trust anything they say in marketing material.
There are a lot of VTTs out there that have been working on promoting and making online space fun for everyone for a long time. I have tried a few and use one or two myself for my Tuesday group where we all live in different states. When you speak about authenticity what new is D&D One bringing to the space that is different?
As far as I am aware I have far more control over map making, map sourcing, importing stats, importing customs minis, and more in most other VTTs. All up for a new VTT but am I going to have to keep paying to get all the features that just come in the upfront price of others?
I feel like a Beyond subscription will be a requirement
@@Caluardo a 100%
this game is probably the reason why Larian studio said there not going to make an official GM mode for BG3.
there is no evidence for this but one can guess WoTC told them not too because it will hurt this project.
because divinity original sin 2 has gm mode so you know they probably want to do it.
but they said they won't do it for BG3.
Looks awesome!
Is this entirely browser-based? Does it require a local app to be installed? Is it essentially streamed video or is it running a browser-based 3D engine? If so, will the render quality depend on the user's computer configuration?
It's UE5, so it's definetly an app
@@moth0074 yeah now you not only have to pay for the books but you have to buy yourself a ps5 or a high end pc because unreal engine 5 will need a expensive pc.
Does it have minis for Pinkerton agents to send against the players?
And let's see how long this comment actually lasts here...
My group will have 0 interest in moving our game online. However, if you are looking to capture the in person games in this market, make sure there is a "Present" mode or something similar. Give a DM the tool to replace a shared grid with this awesome VTT that their friends play around together.
That would be a compelling product.
Things I’d love to see for the wotc vtt is procedural generation like in that kickstarted 3d vtt Menyr. I want tools to make it easy for dms to throw together a quick game such as the ability to be able to download free community made maps that use official wotc building pieces I have bought the license for. Many 3d vtts have heroforge integration and I hope this one is no different. I imagine wotc will have its own paid 3d character builder but I want the option to use a heroforge model.
So.... my home game isn't authentic unless I use this table top?
Hasbro (WOTC) looks at their customer as an obstacle in the way of THEIR money. This is nothing more than another way for them to get that money. The functionality of this VTT without subscriptions or DLC will be next to zero. The "user made content" will certainly be very limited; either WotC will own what users post or creators will be very limited on what they can create. If you think you'll be able to download that cool user created Strahd asset for free, you're wrong. The only way this product is for you is if you are already heavily enfranchised on D&D Beyond.
I think there will will be tiered subscriptions.
I think D&D Beyond will be merged into ONE D&D as a package.
Basic player level (either cheap or even free...) at the bottom, with a set number of character slots, basic dice and maybe a single grey uncoloured "mini" and basic access to player based rules... effectively the Players Handbook. You will then be able to buy additional character slots, new dice sets, minis, colour sets etc and use them with your subscription. At the highest (and most expensive) level will be FULL DM access. Where you can use the rule books, adventures and stock monster assets.
Whether the DM will gain full access to all new content via a much higher subscription or whether they will have to pay per new "book", will largely depend on which model is most likely to generate money.
A lot of people will be more willing to pay more over the course of a year to get access to everything, than they would on buying just the stuff they want in single high cost purchases.
And those people will also form part of the "free money" that subs based systems love... i.e. they keep paying even when they're not playing...
That model also reduces the "income wave" problem by spreading the income over the year, and releasing special "One Off" purchases (themed dice back drops and character sheets etc) gives them seasonal peaks.
@@andrewtomlinson5237 Have you ever heard the term "copium"
@@jerryo6489 Yeah, why?
All you need is paper, dice and your imagination.
Fascinating that the draft vtt doc they put out in response to all the ogl back lash would of prevented other vtts from having spell animations because that would be to much like video game but just a couple months later we see WotC’s vtt with spell animations. The vtt doc was absolutely there to clear space in the vtt market for wizards.
I like the look of this and it will be awesome for people who can run it but its important to remember WotC said one thing and were doing another. If they want to work on that good will this market place better be very fair!
I would like to see maps that come with the Campaign/Adventure Books preset but slightly Editable, Where all you have to do is drop the Monsters and Characters in. "Curse of Strahd" would take on a New Life that way. (Slightly Editable= Small Objects or Wildlife...) Open the Adventure or Campaign, and the Maps are there, Drop in the creatures called for in "X" encounter and set the party... "Roll for initiative."
I think they were already looking at doing that well something like that to a degree
*Walks in to a room: "This is amazing!"
I'm sold so long as this comes with a gridded option, dynamic lighting and vision, and a robust DM interface. Also hope there will be options for fewer cartoony tokens in the future, hard to run a horror campaign with everything looking soft and huggable.
They did nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing, to combat the stereotypes of D&D fans in this video
I'm VERY excited for this I can't wait to run games for friends and family that don't live near me finally
You've heard of existing VTTs like roll20 right? Hop into a call together and you're good to go
@@wednes3dayeah, but Roll20 is kinda ugly. Maps take ages to load and they lag. And the character sheet support is garbage.
@@GT-tj1qg huh .. games have never taken more than maybe 20 seconds to load for me .. except maybe the high res version of huge maps? For character sheets I can only vouch for 5e with homebrew and gestalt, all of which it's done great for even without me being able to tap into what possibilities coding could open up .... and it's still *leagues* ahead of homebrew D&D Beyond .. though iirc even that it has tie-ins to use character sheets from
@Wednesday yea we've tried roll 20 and to be honest we did not enjoy it , I think the immersion of minis and spell effects and 3d visuals will go a looong way to make it feel more like dnd
@@blazinlatino89 Foundry VTT has lots of 3D maps and mini's already.
Does anyone have a count of how many seconds of _actual_ VTT footage are in this five and a half minute video? Because it sure didn't seem like very much.
Besides, there wasn't much of anything in the footage that Foundry can't already do (including the 3D environment). The mini rising up from the ground was kinda neat, but everything else is pretty much already there and doesn't require Alienware laptops to run it.
who in the hell would have 6 laptops just laying around for this
“Bardin says DAMN RATS and kicks the wall”
That’s some Vermintide Umgak if I’ve ever heard it.
I just saw a bunch of people staring at their computer screens. I can do that solo.
Considering they're all playing on high end laptops, and by the looks of it can't get above 30fps, something tells me this isn't a VTT for everyone.
Looks amazing! How do you sign up to playtest this?
I hope there's an option to turn off displaying the figure bases. It really isn't necessary to see the bases. Seeing them makes the environment seem less real. Yes, the bases helps simulate the actual tabletop experience, but if you're going to go as far as making such an immersive "realistic" world, the goal is no longer to simulate the tabletop, it's to visualize another world.
What is the latest update for this?
Better be a way to make custom miniatures or if they team up with heroforge that be good to.
yeah ... let's play an MMO and everyone is just looking at the screen. Great idea
and of course we offer special subcriptions or "ingame purchases" for more effects and glitter
ah yes DnD... the MMO... wrong thing
Ok. When, how much and how much microtransactions?
When is the release date?
Poor Talespire.
God I hope they get this right. This could be huge.
all my life I've been waiting for it
Has it been released yet?
"We're going to make content, sure. But we want to build that content out of blocks that users can break down and use to create their own content...." .... .. "So long as they're paying a ridiculous monthly fee."
I wonder if you can make custom maps or if you have to buy theirs? Honestly, Talespire has been doing this for a few years and their community of map builders have created some amazing work. Their main drawback is that every player has to have the program and not just the DM.
They have stated before and in the video that they want to give people building blocks to create their own things, so it will probably be a bunch of map creation tools and placing art asset pieces to form the environment
This will be monetised to the wazoo. Nothing will be usable within it that doesn't have to be bought or rented... importing your own content is not part of the game plan here.
Doubt they would.
Also I kinda get around the Talespire drawback by screensharing the game via Discord. I'm the only one who can move minis, but it's not a big drawback
@@vesavius they literally say in the video that assets from the community will be able to be sharable.
Talespire is dogshit to build in and move characters on.
Remember 4E when every copy of the player’s handbook said this was coming? You guys sure know how to build anticipation!
What's the point if they are already sitting at the table?
Looking good so far. Would like to have seen more hands on details with the tool itself, but definitely been looking forward to something like this for a long time as a remote digital player.
This is Talespire, right?
It goes without saying, but campaign modules (old and new) should have included, pre-made maps. It would finally justify the price for a digital version of the module vs hard copy.
Whoever thought this was a good idea when Baldurs Gate 3 was already being worked on should be fired
I mean it's...not trying to do the same thing.
This is quite litterally there to make you able to play DND. Baldurs Gate is amazing but it doesn't exactly work as a DND simulator does it.