New 2019 Massey Ferguson GC1725M! From the National Farm Machinery Show
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- Tractor Time with Tim and Ken from Bolt On Hooks gets an up close look at the new 2019 Massey Ferguson GC1725M with front end loader and backhoe at the National Farm Machinery Show. Bruce from MF reveals all the new features of this compact tractor.
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The little Massey still has the strongest breakout force on the backhoe bucket by a decent margin. It’s one thing that stands out to me.
Honestly I agree with a lot of the comments and how I've always felt. JD has definitely been the leader in ergonomics in a sub compact tractor. The ability to take a backhoe on and off to use your 3 point hitch, easiest drive over deck to use, easiest loader to take on and off, honestly not awful pricing for what youre getting and at least here, an amazing knowledgeable dealer who work with you and help you find the right product. And help you understand your new machine. We love our JD 1025R. Yet the kubota dealer was closer to us. Great video though Tim. Very informative
I looked at Kubota, Cub, Deere, Yanmar, Kioti, Bobcat, RK, Mahindra... all of the makes I could. I am smack dab in the middle of JD and Kubota country here. I settled on a 2018 GC1720, anyway. I am happy, so far. Its plenty strong and I really like the setup. My only wish is that the seat gets an improvement. Its a little tricky to flip up and around. I have a hand injury and it makes the task a little difficult. I found that wearing the seat belt really improves the ride-ability and safety of operating the tractor-as it should. I wish LS had better presence and dealer support near me (I'm more that 80 miles from an LS dealership). That was the only one I hadn't had the chance to get a look at in person-but everything I've seen tells me they are fantastic machines.
I think you did great here, Tim. Any salesperson is going to have to roll with the punches when showing a product, and I'm sure that opinions on this seat is one that he has to answer to quite often. Its not his fault and the seat doesn't overshadow the rest of the machine. It didn't for me. I don't think you were disrespectful or rough with him at all. He seemed like a nice person. I am very happy you showcased this machine as I didn't even know there have been any updates since last generation. Be careful out there, and take care!
Looked like a good collaboration video. That seat though. I’m pretty sure the Massey guys engineers will have a solution to that next week. Who wants a tractor that is uncomfortable. First impressions are important.
Keep on tractoring and God bless
We just bought one yesterday, that was delivered to the dealer the day before. The seat seems to be just like the one in this video. It’s actually not a bad seat in use. It’s pretty much the same as the 2018 GC1720 that I test drove. If these guys ever experienced that seat, the new one’s mounting/springs is no different.
Thanks for showing some love for the Massey! I have a GC1720 and love it. It's such a great tractor.
I have the old GC 2610 with over 400 hrs and it’s been flawless! Strong front loader! backhoe has been awesome! I have a BX1500 as well 710hrs on it it’s been a good machine but not as good as the Massey. The BX1500 had to be torn in 2 because a of a pressure relief valve in the transmission. Just purchased 20 more acres so now I need a bigger machine so I think I will go Massey.
I love the changes the people at Massey Ferguson have made to their tractors and that brand was one I was considering when I thought of going shopping for one. That was because I learned how to operate a tractor using a Massey Ferguson during the 1960's.
Just bought a GC1715 a couple weeks ago. So far so good. Too bad it didn't have the quick attach but may be upgrading that soon.
The salesman was great with what he was offered to work with.
Tim, the look on your face was priceless when you wiggled the seat.
I love my 1735M approx 65 hours mainly moving snow with loader this winter.
I have watched most all your videos. It amazing what these little tractors can do. I have done lots of looking and this is the tractor I decided to go with. Thanks for all your helpful videos.
Congratulations!
I am super happy I got the “white” one ct2540. Crazy awesome warranty and not a single issue outside of some minor factory assembly defects
All the Numbers and code,s ,thx Tim have a Nice weekend 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻❤️❤️❤️❤️
That's the case for all the OEM's, it all runs together after a few minutes!
Thank you for sharing this video. It's a very educational and informative video. This tractor looks phenomenally well built. I will be able to move mountains with this tractor. No problem with the seat, it can be fixed for sure. Thanks again Tim.
Exactly. Very tough tractor.
I have a GC2300 since 2006 with loader and mower. It has over 2000 hours and still doing great.
I love how you guys were hooked on how terrible that seat was to be honest with you it looks incredibly flimsy
I have one, the seat is pretty good. I mow 8 acres and its comfy. Now I don't have the backhoe seat.
@@ggarden8432 just from the video alone looks like the seat mechanism to move the seat what causes the issue.
Hahaha I was looking Tim’s face....wiggle wiggle wiggle.
@@powderriver2424 no kidding right.. and just there was a huge jump cut
I have a GC1720 and the seat is great. Because it is a swivel seat, and I am 200 lbs, it works well. When I am mowing I have the seatbelt on.
How long before Massey Ferguson asks you to take down the video? You guys did not seem impressed at all. Thanks for being honest while reviewing the tractor.
Wow, we did not intend it to be perceived as negative. Our only complaint was the seat.
@@TractorTimewithTim And, if I remember right the seat springs on Johnny, didn't hold up very well.
@@robertbennett6697 Or the air filter bracket!
I have been quite transparent and open about the issues I have had with Johnny.
This is how we run our channel,! And our lives in general.
@@TractorTimewithTim I saw that you mentioned there was a floor cleaner going around which was a bit distracting. That may have played into my interpretation that you weren't very impressed with the tractor. I didn't mean to be rude if it came across that way. I genuinely liked the video and review.
I like MF . My dad them and now I have them. I think is what you are used to. All the big brands work roughly the same. Thanks for all,of your honest reviews.
This was very helpful, nothing sugar-coated, pros/cons plainly observed. I'm sure I'm not the only one in the market for a GC tractor currently debating if the 2019 model is worth the upcharge (in my case, I'm still leaning towards prior years' GC1710). Props to the MF fella for rolling with the various critique points w/o getting defensive.
I have a GC2300 with about 450 hours and I love it. I am in nothern NH, and only wish I had a local dealer, My closest dealer in in northern Maine.....the GC2300 has been great, and nothing needed to be done that I have not been able to do. (Other than normal fluid changes, I have changed some hoses)
Nice looking tractor! They moved the loader control to where it belongs, in my opinion. I actually had to laugh when I watched a Messick's video in which Niel pointed out that the loader control was uncomfortable to use the way Deere had it set up. I ignored his advice and bought the Deere and I like where the loader control is. In fairness however, my model is a 2018 and the one in the video is older. Maybe it was uncomfortable to him, but it still makes sense to have that control on the fender. Thanks for bringing us to the show Tim.
Keep all those heim joints lubed up under the seat .( 1R and 2R) when they wear, your loader control can get sloppy.
Formula Firebird thanks for that info, I’ll have a look. Did they go bad on you?
I have a 2017 1710 model I did not like the way the new seat seamed to be either and if it's not comfortable it's going to be hard to sell. I like the feel of my seat and the tractor in general I have not had any problems with it
I have gc1720 it’s one year old and it’s been awesome
I have a 1710, it's been bullet proof. I dug an out house hole 6 feet deep in very rocky soil with the backhoe and it didn't flinch. It's a workhorse.
The seat is not bad at all.
I think this seat is new. I have been on several prior GC models. Nothing felt like this.
Oh boy...two JD guys checking out the Massy, I could see it in your eyes!
The Massey's are some great running tractors but man i bought about two years to early but i would still buy the Massey over the others again in a heartbeat.
I think you would like the improvements. The joystick is very handy now. The hood opening approach works great. The tilt wheel is a nice upgrade too.
I think you need to trade up :-)
@@TractorTimewithTim That hood opener was VERY Impressive, and worked well.
@@TractorTimewithTim Yea !! That would be nice just like trading for a New Ford f350 with all the bells and whistles but there is very little wrong with my 7.3 truck just as there is nothing at all wrong with my Massey and it has less than 100 hrs. on it so it's still new so i can't justify taking the hit and loosing that kind of money when the hp ,loader, and backhoe are the same the upgrades would be nice but for way less money i [ A little over five hundred dollars last i checked} i can make my current tractor a ssqat . yes the updates are nice and i wish i had them but i 'm happy with my tractor and for what i'm doing it does great . Thanks for showing the upgrades and taking the time to film and post.
Jerry, Yep. I agree. Just pulling your chain.
All the tractors look so foreign these days. I wish FORD would make tractors again....perhaps a Golden Jubilee with a quick attach loader. Old school styling. Man they would sell like hot cakes!!! A " throwback" in the tractor world would be freakin awesome!!! Some new Farmalls.....id be standing at the door waiting for them to open!!!
I love the seat on my GC1720. It is very comfortable in the normal position. Turned around in the backhoe position it is awkward to reach the controls for me though. I am short and reaching the controls isn’t as easy as it would be if the seat was adjustable forward and down. Taking the backhoe off is very easy. Folding the 3 point up to reattach the backhoe is easy as well. The bolt on hooks (non combo) are easy to attach on the loader as well as you explained. Overall I have been extremely happy with the Massey tractor.
I have the previous generation GC1705 no backhoe and the seat is comfortable to me. The peddles are too high for my sister but we flipped them and it is fine. Glad they added the power port and cubby. If only I get that on my old one. Great video as always.
What do you mean...flipped the pedals. The pedal height is my main complaint with the GC1720 that I own.
Justin Knipp Literally unscrew the forward peddle and flip it 180 degrees and put it back on. The arrow will be backward but the push part of the peddle will be lower. Also, you can just loosen the bolt and it will adjust some. It could be enough without the flip. I can do a quick video if you need it. Just let me know.
Nice honest review Tim
I bought a massy in November 18.. love mine.. only thing I wish they offered is a shuttle shift with independent brakes..for us old school tractor drivers...
If I were shopping for a sub-compact, this would be a serious contender. The only thing I don't care for is that the lift does not have position control like the 1025r. BTW, it was great meeting you, Christy and Ken at the farm show! - Isaac & Spencer from NC
I was hoping they were going to add position control!
Position Control is a must. I’ve had a JD2305 for 13 years without one. It’s a must for box blading, raking, and even a rotary cutter in my view.
Correct we did forget to mention that, there is no position control on this machine.
@@kdeckster thanks for the reply. What a neat product line you have!
@@valleytractorservices9310 Thank you Tom.
I have a 2300 that has just turned 500 hours. My wife fights me to drive it! Great machine!
I have a 1736 and love it. My seat has much more adjustment
My first tractor/lawn mower was a Massey and it was built like a tank, but then I found the hydro John Deere's and it's been nothing but Deere's since then. Would loved to see a head to head comparison between comparable Massey and Deere sub compacts in a future video.
I still have an old Massey lawn tractor. I bought it used back in 84. I think it is a little over 50 years old. Your right it's built like a tank. For a lawnmower it was horrible but for plowing snow and dragging firewood out of the woods it is still my favorite thing to use. I did buy a 1025r last fall. Love it too but it will not replace my MF just an addition to the lineup!
Tim
I am confused on your warning not to pull with a backhoe. How can pulling Christy’s small car out of a snow drift cause more damage than digging a trench, pulling on a stump or rock? Seems to me that the design of the backhoe rams are designed for pulling.
James Morse the difference is if you are pulling WITH the cylinders,?or ON the cylinders. Get it? You shouldn’t hook something to the backhoe and then drive off pulling on the hoe. Pulling with the hoe is obviously fine, pulling on the hoe is not.
Not like it will be an issue for you anyway, so don’t worry about it.
Jax Turner thanks. I thought as long as the hydraulics were on i.e. engine rpm up, that the seals in the cylinders would handle it. Sorta like holding something up with the boom.
@@jamesmorse126 you are correct
I’ll stick with my recommendation of hooking to the frame. I like a good solid low hookup point.
@@jamesmorse126 When you use the hydraulics, i.e. operate the spool valves it has a relief valve when there is something to heavy it will not damage the pump or the cylinders. When the valves aren't being operated it the relief valve isn't in the circuit and the seals in the cylinders and the hoses are were a too big pressure will cause damage. It is probably hard to guestimate how high the pressure will go if one hooks something to the bucket, then try to yank something out of the ditch.
I am still staying green , still a good job boys
that massy square bailer that is briefly shown is an absolute animal... its made by hesston and really works very very well... we have had bailers on the farm all my life and no matter the model they always have problems that they shouldn't have... we now have that bailer made by hesston but with the case brand name on it but the massy hesston and case are all the same and ours doesn't skip a bale...
The backhoe control lever has a real bad problem with breaking it's not the lever itself it the part it's connected to it's made of cheap aluminum instead of steel mine has broken several times
But can you buy the b without the backhoe so if you decide down the road you can add one without having to buy a new tractor
Esse ano foi lançado no Brasil esse modelo de conjunto frontal 🇧🇷
Thanks Tim.
Something that I didn't see in the comments is that the engine is a cast engine, not aluminum. For this reason alone I bought a Massey over a Deere.
The yanmar engines Deere uses have been used on Generators in the coast guard for years with thousands of hours run time, some in sub zero weather, with very minimal down time. This is one thing that keeps me leaning Green :)
@@Formulabruce Yanmar is a very big brand name in boat engines as well, especially the smaller sailboats. Very reliable.
Nice review, Tim. How would you compare the operation and feel of Massey's backhoe against Deere's new 260B backhoe?
2:10 Tim is like "even I'm getting bored by this model number nonsense talk"
I have a gc1720, wish i woulda waited a lil bit b4 buying for the newer models but i like what i have. i like a lot betr than the bx2380 i had b4 the massey, great machines!!!
I just took delivery of mine yesterday. When the dealer dropped it off they actually suggested that I get the hooks from boltonhooks. Although, he did say instead of bolting them on a lot of his customers weld them on. Wanted to know your thoughts before I have that done.
Bolt on works beautifully, and you can DIY...so save a few bucks.
Just fyi. Mine are welded but I wish I could remove them when pushing brush. Sometimes I can't un-snag limbs by moving the bucket and have to get off the tractor. I like Boltonhooks and the people.
Oh sweet Jesus thank you for a proper massey ferg tractor review!!!
I got my 1705 brand new full warranty, loader, and drive over 60” deck for about 12,500 out the door. We have 8 John Deere’s on the farm so I’m a green man myself but dang, there was no way I’d be able to get a Johnny for that price.
I have a GC1715 , it's a tank. I had a GC2600 and traded it in with 3500 hours on it ( 10 years) with no repairs just fluid changes and a set of tires. Now my loader has a pinned bucket, wish they had the skid steer bucket option 2 years ago. About 3 min for me to hook up my deck.
Now I will say, it will be paid off in Jan. there is a 2025R in the future for our small farm.
But that seat though. lmao that guy had me cracking up.
It was even funnier OFF camera. Maybe someday we can tell the story :-)
@@TractorTimewithTim I could imagine. Man I replayed this so much times I couldn't stop laughing. This made my day.
Just bought mine today. Haven’t been delivered yet
Congratulations!
Love the Massey Tractors I have two of them Brand New the 42 and 50 Do agree with David Harris ......But Great product
Now that's a real machine
Hey looking to purchase a new tractor 25 hp with a loader and a rototiller. Shopping for best deal any recomendations?
Not looking for belly mower
I just bought the gc 1723e. Has anyone changed or modified the seat springs. I'm thinking about trying some rubber hose in them.
Great review. Such a great review that I'm 100% sure I'd never buy one.
After researching nearly everything in this class, JD, Kubota, Kioti, Mahindra, Yanmar, New Holland, etc., this is the tractor we decided to go with. We bought a new GC1725MB w/ 60” deck yesterday, and it’ll be here early next week. It was one of the best deals around, and the financing rates were icing on the cake.
You must be a JD or Kubota snob.
@@redgeminipa Can I ask what you paid for it?
@@codyg7239 no
Massey's Ferguson RULES 😀
With the electronic 3point I'm a bit confused is the arms still able to float and do a gradual grade or is it going to just drop and raise the seat I thought was a spring loaded seat to make it comfortable for the operator now its looking like it's not as nice a option as the other models on the past
I am sure the arms will still float as with most all other 3PH's. It's still a hydraulic cylinder doing the work, it's just electrically controlled. We just thought the springs were to stiff that's all. I'm sure it's an easy fix for them.
Great tractor, its a pity that i dont have this tractor brand
Thank you for the information.
I don’t personally own a 1 series Deere. I own a 4 series Deere. But my neighbor owns a 1023e and I use it quite a bit when I need something smaller and they use mine when they need something bigger. Anyways from the looks of this vs even the economy Deere the Deere seems to be better in every way. And the Deere is the economy model and the Massey is supposed to be the premium model. Love the videos Tim. If I were to purchase a small sub compact I would defiantly be going with the 1025r. Nothing comes close to it for me.
Thanks for the video review. Very nice tractor, but I'm sticking with my 1025R.
Tim Christi Ken you two should be selling asking the wright questions
God Bless All
PaK
Hey there Tim!!! I have to say up front, I'm a Massey Ferguson guy. But this was not a good showing of the Massey product. The rep seemed to be pretty defensive and unsure. On the other hand you and Ken did a great job quizzing him and 'drawing' the info out of him. Thanks for posting and I still like Massey Ferguson!!! LOL
I like the Massey tractor. They just need to spend more time designing a comfortable suspension system.
Tractor Time with Tim I have a MF 4709 and it is excellent. Much better designed than these smaller models. That seat looked hideous. lol
Love watch your videos Tim. I just wanted to say I just bought a 04 Massey Ferguson 1440V with a loader attachment. I picked this up for $2750 not running. My goal is to flip this tractor. This will be my first time flipping a tractor. Would you have any advice for me so I can do this right? Also what I should do for what people are looking for in a tractor like this? I would appreciate all your helpful information.
I like it... Its like how the garden tractors used to be built, but a little bigger. I see now Iseki makes them and the Massey brand is put on it, Iseki is a Japanese tractor company thats been around since basically ww1.
What hakes the 25M 2 HP stronger than the 23E?? They run the engine 200 RPM faster....................
@TractorTimewithTim , I am looking at buying the MF 1735M in Ontario Canada. Is it also manufactured by Iseki in Japan? Also comparing/considering the Kioti CK3510SE H. Buying the backhoe as well. Any thoughts. I am enjoying your videos.
Hey Tim, if your cfo gave you permission, what other attachments would you get for Johnny 2.0? Nice video. Hope you haven't been rained out lately. 😎😎😎🤔🤔🤔
Beer holder on the wrong side and to far back, seat looks very poor. 4x4 lever down under your leg making it hard to use.joystick lock lever is in a place where it will catch on pant leg. On the bright side, hydrostatic and engine made in Japan witch is a plus.
thanks
Regardless of whom you decide to go with for all the toys it’s better to have than not need it later
When they started throwing out all different kind of model numbers you lost one of the interviewers. I also like towel he kept we’re going to see back-and-forth as if to say, you seein this?
Great video
Thanks for coming! Really enjoyed meeting you!
Massey looks to use the old Kubota Mid Mount Deck hookups and close to the same for loader mount too otherwise not a bad tractor i would say just looks like they are a step behind Kubota and Deere yet
Hopefully in a couple days I'll be taking delivery of my new 1723 with 60" deck, loader & a custom Humboldt pto driven bagger/vacuum!
You might check out the terra king tkv20 material collection system. Works very nice.
Is there a website or just google it? Looking at the bolt on hooks you showed from the tractor show as well.
@@TractorTimewithTim justcalled, only have units for green or orange sub compacts. I watched your video, nice looking unit. Guess Humboldt is the route I'll be taking. 😕 Would've loved to see a comparison........hint.......hint
What about a front mounted snow blower??????????????
I wish the massey dealer near me was worthy of business. 4 guys couldn't have been bothered by a guy wanting to look at some small tractors. That thing looks nice though
Hmmmm.....I'm glad this wasn't out a couple of months ago! I might not have went with the 1025r! I don't like the legs on the loader though! But I like that the mower deck floats! I think it would give a better cut and think they are the only ones that have it in the subcompact! Not sure I like that seat though, had me sold till I seen Tim sit on it. Good to see competition, keep JD and Kubota moving forward as well! I wish Kubota and JD would have the ability to leave the 3-point hitch on!
Great video!
Looks like they need to improve the seat support springs. I so much look forward to your videos. Nice looking SC Tractor, but it's no Johnny 1025R for sure.
I found it odd they were using the 1725M not the MB, yet it had a backhoe on it?
It was probably an MB. Same thing.
Tractor Time with Tim Fender didn’t say mb on it, seems confusing
really like those outrigger pads...
Yes. Nice design!
Yea they looked like a great idea.
Bummer I thought the tractor show was next month, dang.
Why do companies still use fold down parking stands for loaders. So annoying
Gosh , I felt kinda sorry for the salesman con Concerning the seat! He could have brought a cushion with him that day!lol
Thanks Tim. I like seeing other tractors and backhow
The Massey is nice but all the numbers are confusing
No different for JD, Kubota, New Holland, LS, Massy, whatever color....every OEM has their own numbering which can get very confusing when comparing different models.
Nice toy
Sounds like MF is not offering near the features or ease of use as all the others. They need to catch up. Or am I wrong?
You're wrong
The backhoe has better specs than the Deere 260B which is also better than the Kabota. The FEL also has slightly better specs than the JD 120R and the Kabota BX Loader is far behind both. I would say that the JD 1025R is by far the most operator friendly with a great seat and a dedicated Backhoe seat. You're also paying an extra 3k for the comfort. MF is very light on their spec sheet though compared to Kabota and Deere is somewhere in-between on giving specs where you can really compare. I'd say if your mowing go with the Deere. Mostly backhoe go with the MF and live in snow country and need the slightly smaller footprint and not doing serious digging or lifting go with the Kabota. And if $3k over over a few years ($43 a month) is too much don't buy the JD. My JD dealer isn't giving a discount for cash like Kabota or MF.
Can the backhoe be detached ?
Yes
Why are the hp between models so close? Does the 23 not require def?
all manufacturers do their sub-compacts this way. a 23 and a 24.5 (above 25 requires dpf)
@@TractorTimewithTim A few new tractor, at the show even, are up well in the 30's HP and NO DPF . How, you ask? Its because when you have a small displacement, and rev it up to get your HP, you can have low PPM of Carbon/Nitrogen oxides with the ULSD. The loss comes in Torque. This is why JD can STILL put the 25 hp engine from your 1025R into the new heavy 3025D tractor and make it work.. Torque!
"DEF" is Diesel Exhaust fluid" is basically "Piss" and water, which reduces Oxides of Nitrogen in Higher HP Diesels. Its mostly for tier 4 above 50 HP. The compact tractors under that that have one, use a DPF ( Diesel Particulate dry Filter).
DEF....DPF....whatever. Lets just say no "Emissions Controls" below 25 HP rather than split hairs about which system is actually used.
Can't add a backhoe later = Huge negative
Also means the backhoe isn't easily removable to switch to a box blade or other 3 point attachment when finished using the backhoe. Branson offers more HP with a dedicated backhoe subframe for the same dollars. Takes me 8 minutes to install my backhoe after removing the box blade. Takes me 4 minutes to remove the backhoe to put on the box blade.
Tim if it ain't green you want be satisfied!
I looked at the Massey tractors. They are at a good price range, but I think the quality is less than Deere or Kubota. IOW, you get what you pay for.
You would be wrong I have both A Massey GC2610 and a Kubota BX1500. So far the Massey has been a better machine. My Kubota has been good but my Massey has NEVER had to be split in 2 like my Kubota over a $4.00 part!
you should see if the main makers have the balls to do a side by side comparison test of their tractors. Do load tests, so on on all of those that compete... make sure they're the same class and horse power as you can. frankly I don't think any of the makers would have the balls to do that, but who knows until you ask?
JD and kubota are done a couple times a year, by one or the other. Goodworks Tractor has honest reviews about them both. ua-cam.com/channels/FM6-GiSuQMktuLoyJ2QUlA.html
Red Looks good on you Tim,,,,lol
It does,but the green helps the thief's from not seeing it when parked in grass.
Same poor designed rad space so close to fan. 4 rubber mounts let engine flex towards rad and forward .forward is no problem ,But if you bump into something with front blower,the engine will flex into radiator.I have had to replace 2 rads. 1000$ each .l welded 1”x1” x1” steel blocks in rear of engine mounts to keep motor from pivoting towards rad.when l bought my last rad, l spoke to another guy , who was on his 3rd rad too.He raised --- l and dealer did a similar fix.