Are Sufis Sunnis or Shiite?! Sheikh Mohammed and Visitor Speakers Corner

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  • @T-19-
    @T-19- 2 роки тому +23

    You just have to read their books and you’ll come across shirk, superstitions and innovations. Most of the Sufi laymen don’t know this.
    For example the Naqshabandi, Naqshbandiyyah is a Sufi order, a sect of misguidance. They perform innovated acts of worship. Naqshbandis believe that the founder of their order Bahā Ad-Deen Naqshband (d. 789H) would say to a man, “Die!” And he would fall dead. Then he would say, “Arise and live!” And he would come back to life again.
    Ref: Al-Mawāhib As-Sarmadiyyah, 133; Al-Anwār Al-Qudsiyyah, 137; Jāmi’ Al-Karamāt Al-Awliyā 1/146. See Haqā’iq Khatīrah Hawl At-Tarīqah An-Naqshbandiyyah.
    I understand that most of the followers of this order are laymen and do not truly know the foundations of this misguided sect. However, it is not good enough to blindly follow something in this religion, regardless of how pious someone sounds and look. It’s about wether their creed, actions, worship and statements go in line with the Qur’an, authentic sunnah the way of the companions and their students.
    Sufism/Tasawwuf was not know to the first 3 generations. Rather what was known was zuhd, tazkiyyah and the likes.
    “The best people are those of my generation, then those who come after them, then those who come after them.”
    Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 6429, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 2533

    • @efdawahfan
      @efdawahfan 2 роки тому +1

      so sufis are not muslims ? i know shias ,ahmedis and nation of islam do shirk which brings them all out of fold of islam..first time i hear about sufis.

    • @truckkun5034
      @truckkun5034 2 роки тому +2

      What a bunch of lies . There are many sufis who follow the way of the salaf and they follow the Quran and the sunnah .

    • @sofianee3580
      @sofianee3580 2 роки тому +1

      @@truckkun5034 they're not afraid in their lies

    • @kristopherkelton8
      @kristopherkelton8 2 роки тому

      It does not matter about phony religions because none of them can get you to GOD (Jehovia)!!! Muhammad leads to Hell! al+lah leads to Hell! Don't put your pride into something foolish! JESUS is the only Way to SALVATION!! Anything else is uncivilized?

    • @efdawahfan
      @efdawahfan 2 роки тому

      @@truckkun5034 yes many but majority is not.

  • @user-gj3pn5ky1y
    @user-gj3pn5ky1y 2 роки тому +1

    جزاك الله خيرا

  • @waleedmalik4726
    @waleedmalik4726 2 роки тому +4

    O Allaah bestow your blessings on our Yemen." The people said, "O Messenger of Allaah, and our Najd." I think the third time the Prophet, sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, said, "There (in Najd) will occur earthquakes, trials and tribulations, and from there appears the Horn of Satan.

  • @yoj9833
    @yoj9833 2 роки тому +3

    اللهم اجعلنا ممن يعبد الله على بصيرة

  • @shukchelseakun6574
    @shukchelseakun6574 2 роки тому +2

    We have this problem in Malaysia unfortunately. Most of our local islamic education system believe in Asyaari and when some people said they believe that Allah is above His arasy, they start labelling them as mujassimah. Astaghfirullah.

    • @harunskywalker4942
      @harunskywalker4942 2 роки тому

      The agreed upon book of ahl sunnah wal Jama’a on aqeedah is called ‘aqeedah tahawiyyah’. It was written by the salaf and it is understood to have received widespread acceptance of sunni creed. In it, the author says that Allah swt is not encompassed by the 6 directions.
      The opinion that Allah (swt) is in one particular direction is illogical (as the globe is round) and misguided.
      The correct belief is that Allah is not limited to any particular direction. Nor is he everywhere. He exists outside of time and space. Directions are properties of things which exist inside creation.
      Direction doesn’t apply nor does time.

  • @harunskywalker4942
    @harunskywalker4942 2 роки тому +5

    The dear shaykh did not make any cogent argument as to why tasawwuf (as a science of Islam) is an innovation. Merely, he pointed to certain wrong practices of people who claim to follow it, and the extrapolated that the whole science is wrong.
    Do we say that the science of Hadith is wrong merely because there were those practitioners who fabricated hadiths?
    Do we say that the science of tafsir is not legitimate simply because of those who approached it in an incorrect way?
    Let’s be intellectually honest when having a conversation with those who we disagree (and remove biases).

    • @slaveofallah166
      @slaveofallah166 2 роки тому +1

      ASC WB Brother do you know the clear cut definition of an innovation in Islam?

    • @harunskywalker4942
      @harunskywalker4942 2 роки тому

      @@slaveofallah166 The definition of Bid'a and its categories is discussed in the books of fiqh according to each of the 4 schools of thought. This is my point. The shaykh (or anyone else) needs to present the definition of bid'a (according to any of these schools) and show how tasawwuf as a science meets this definition.

    • @Truth_come_to_perish_falsehood
      @Truth_come_to_perish_falsehood Рік тому +1

      Those Dewbondi Berelvi (Rizvi) pir, shia Sufi who believe that a man can possess supernatural power by claiming to be khoda (God) like irani shia Sufi Mansoor hallaj claimed to be God/ worshiped after reaching the highest level of spirituality are going to be deceived by antichrist. Yes, those Sufi will consider dajjal as their mystical Sufi,mahdi! Nauzubillah

  • @Solemn_G
    @Solemn_G 2 роки тому +16

    The mysticism, theology and practices that became predominant in Sufism are innovations adopted from Neoplatonist philosophy and practices that already existed prior in the Hellenistic world.

    • @retvrntotradition4454
      @retvrntotradition4454 2 роки тому +3

      This scholar in the video is mistaken and so are you. Sufism is tasawwuf I.e purification of the heart from the diseases of the soul. The Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him and his family) is our leader in these matters. Matters that were passed down from the sahaba to the righteous scholars and awliya may Allah be pleased with them all. The charlatans are not to be taken seriously for they have fooled you.

    • @Solemn_G
      @Solemn_G 2 роки тому +11

      @@retvrntotradition4454 no one denies that purification of the soul is part of Islaam. It's referred to as Tazkiyyah in the Qur'aan and Ihsaan in the Sunnah. Sufism however is Neoplatonist mysticism/spirituality mixed in with Islamic/Arabic terms to make it seem legitimate. If you compare Sufi beliefs and practices with Neoplatonist concepts like Gnosis/ Hesychasm/Theosis/Hermaticism/Monasticism versus the actual practices of the Prophet (SAS) & the Companions (RA) you would clearly see that Sufism is more like the former rather than the latter. Even the theology regarding Allah's Attributes is Neoplatonic and this is a known fact. This is all the result of Islaam entering the non Arab Hellenistic World . May Allah keep us on the Qur'aan and Sunnah as understood and practiced by the Companions (RA).
      And as a side note, human beings shouldn't be labelling others as "Wali/Friend of Allah". Only Allah knows who His True Friends are.

    • @MuhammadAbdullah-kx3kn
      @MuhammadAbdullah-kx3kn 2 роки тому

      اين الله؟ يقول الله إنني قريب.

    • @meowmeowmeow2362
      @meowmeowmeow2362 2 роки тому +4

      They practice magic and have a similar hierarchy as freemasons , very weir bunch , Quran and sunnah only way.

    • @zafthedon
      @zafthedon 2 роки тому +4

      @@retvrntotradition4454 They are salafis claiming that most sunnis are wrong, its stupid.

  • @hamzaahmed5436
    @hamzaahmed5436 2 роки тому

    Can I hear shamsi in the background?

  • @awakenedservant
    @awakenedservant 2 роки тому +9

    That's why sufism is so important everyone is so focused outward they forget the inward and you can see how Shaykh is so jumpy while the other brother is so calm .

    • @Truth_come_to_perish_falsehood
      @Truth_come_to_perish_falsehood Рік тому +1

      Pir, shia, Sufis (so called muslims) who support the blasphemy (I'm God & worship me) of monsoor hallaj are also like Kabbalah Jew who will also follow Dajjal by considering him as their mahdi/mystical sufi

    • @umairmodi
      @umairmodi Рік тому

      Who told you this sufism is so important?

    • @Visible-jb2ew
      @Visible-jb2ew 11 місяців тому +1

      @@umairmodi Sufi is just a word. What sufi means is important. Research tassawuf

  • @MrSidkhan1
    @MrSidkhan1 2 роки тому +6

    Really whoever thinks he's correct, instead of being in the park go debate a scholar who belives in this type of zirk, than we will see who right an wrong. Even sheikh asrar go debate him about this topic, would like to see it myself. This guy He's views are wahabi salafist views.

  • @gameoverability1876
    @gameoverability1876 2 роки тому +12

    his smirk and smile when he got asked where is allah should tell you all about his aqeeda. dont be fooled.

    • @sofianee3580
      @sofianee3580 2 роки тому

      I was quite sincere brother.
      So what if have the wrong aqeeda as may think. Does that make you better than me?

    • @johnastler7665
      @johnastler7665 2 роки тому +7

      @@sofianee3580 if someone has the right aqeedah indeed he is better than the one who has wrong aqeedah in front Allah SWT. In front of us personally I don't even care but what these sects are doing is not permissible in Islam Qur'an and Sunna.

    • @sofianee3580
      @sofianee3580 2 роки тому +3

      @@johnastler7665 So you are better than Abu Hamid Al Ghazali, who was a Sufi ashari?
      Or are you also better than Sultan Sallahuddin Al Ayoubbi who was a qadiri and ashari? Or Sultan Mehmet Fatih who was a Naqshbandi and Maturidi?
      You guys need maturity. You will regret these words at 40yo

    • @MuhammadAbdullah-kx3kn
      @MuhammadAbdullah-kx3kn 2 роки тому +1

      اين الله؟ يقول الله إنني قريب.

    • @MuhammadAbdullah-kx3kn
      @MuhammadAbdullah-kx3kn 2 роки тому +3

      @@sofianee3580 Where is Allah? *[Surah Al-Baqarah verse 186]* *_When My servants ask you O Prophet about Me (Allah), tell them: I am truly near. I respond to one’s prayer when they call upon Me. So let them respond with obedience to Me and believe in Me, perhaps they will be guided to the Right Way._*

  • @awakenedservant
    @awakenedservant 2 роки тому

    One part of the world you can point up and that can mean down because don't forget the earth is round .

  • @sofianee3580
    @sofianee3580 2 роки тому +2

    They are plenty of mentions of Salafu Salih and plenty of Hadith proving the fact that gathering of Dhikr is part of Islam.
    The dearly shaykh is just wrong. It was not just about 3ilm.

    • @user-yq2if6ld9h
      @user-yq2if6ld9h 2 роки тому

      learning the quran or hadith is a gathering of dhikr. Thats not what they're talking my guy

    • @Nwsanoor
      @Nwsanoor 2 роки тому +2

      @Alkhaldi First of all it needs to be verified that doing zikr in matching voice was never done at the time of our nabiye Kareem sallal lahu alaihi wasallam . Are you sure of it? For instance during the time of war they must be saying ALLAHU AKBAR in an unified voice several times. Secondly, By the passage of time and influence of various cultures and traditions ways and method of doing zikr may change, it does not have to be exact. The basic rule of fiqh is that whatever is haram has been clearly mentioned, the rest is halal. Wallahu alam. May Allah make us sincere in our approach so that we accept the truth when clear evidences are shown from Quran and sunnah and may Allah help us refrain from pronouncing any act as haram without evidences from Quran and sunnah.

  • @Faisal-kx6wq
    @Faisal-kx6wq 4 місяці тому

    Fiqah sawal win Allah lazim mufti taqi usmani debate

  • @The_Angry_BeEconomist
    @The_Angry_BeEconomist 2 роки тому

    yes

  • @Daisy-yq1gi
    @Daisy-yq1gi Рік тому +1

    The Sunnah is the very beginning of the journey and is literalist in its interpretation. Sufism is the deepest aspect and this is obvious to the thinking person, not the Islamic drone or slave minded (of which there are far too many). The Shayk simply spews out words, cherry picked bits of the Quran, often out of context. His limited understanding and exposition of the Sunni/Wahhabi point of view is 10% of the answer. Sufism is the other 90%....

    • @Truth_come_to_perish_falsehood
      @Truth_come_to_perish_falsehood Рік тому +1

      Do you know why it's taught that To reach the highest level of spirituality you need to repeat that 'I'm God and prostrate to me' like irani shia Sufi mansoor hallaj?

  • @mesut2030
    @mesut2030 2 роки тому +1

    Sultan Muhammad al fateh learn tasawuf

  • @undercoverxyz7
    @undercoverxyz7 2 роки тому +5

    The sufis are not one of us.

    • @MrSidkhan1
      @MrSidkhan1 2 роки тому +9

      They don't want to have a salafi, wahabi teaching 👍

    • @undercoverxyz7
      @undercoverxyz7 2 роки тому +4

      @@MrSidkhan1 we follow only Quran and Sunnah. That for Tauheed is the first thing what matters!

    • @MrSidkhan1
      @MrSidkhan1 2 роки тому +2

      @@undercoverxyz7 everyone says and follow quran an sunnah. Everyone has its own interpretation, its arrogant to say yours is the right. No1 knows who's is the right way until judgment day.

    • @MrSidkhan1
      @MrSidkhan1 2 роки тому

      These people while doing a noble deed should debate sunnis who are not of the wahabi salafi following they would also be quoting hadith quran, instead of layman In the park.

    • @undercoverxyz7
      @undercoverxyz7 2 роки тому +3

      @@MrSidkhan1 brother i am not defending anyone from the park. Islam is so simple still yet the different sects make the believer so confused. Like i said follow the Quran and Sunnah and everything will be fine. Doesnt matter what you call yourself.

  • @Faisal-kx6wq
    @Faisal-kx6wq 4 місяці тому

    Come hear deoband madarsa win Allah debate shikh Muhammad

  • @pathwaytotruth4371
    @pathwaytotruth4371 2 роки тому +3

    Astaghfirullah...
    WoW sheikh has a ptoblem with the zikar of ALLAH...

    • @mohammadkhalil2710
      @mohammadkhalil2710 2 роки тому +1

      Yes all wahabi have this problems but they will not say it out loudly or deny it

    • @slaveofallah166
      @slaveofallah166 2 роки тому +2

      @@mohammadkhalil2710 Have you seen sufi dhikr? It is an innovation in the religion brother. Everything new to the religion is an innovation.

    • @mohammadkhalil2710
      @mohammadkhalil2710 2 роки тому

      @@slaveofallah166 I agree everything new is innovation but ther are type of innovation,, do you know that or for you everything is kuffor

    • @slaveofallah166
      @slaveofallah166 2 роки тому +1

      @@mohammadkhalil2710 I follow the sunnah of Prophet Muhammad Sallahu Aleyhi Wassalam. If the Prophet Sallahu Aleyhi Wassalam said it is not accepted by Allah I will reject the innovation.

    • @mohammadkhalil2710
      @mohammadkhalil2710 2 роки тому +1

      @@slaveofallah166 I do the same as you do,, but what about the order coming from the prophet Mohammad Salah Allaho alihee wasalam to fallow his companion and who fallowed them like of Abu Baker , Omar , Othman ,Ali and the Tabaeen the like of Malik, Abo hanifa , Alshafai if they do innovation what will you do ignore the prophet order and say no I only fallow Kitab and Sunna

  • @princeofarsenalfc8089
    @princeofarsenalfc8089 2 роки тому

    This is what the ummah has become is this really up for debate ?

    • @sofianee3580
      @sofianee3580 2 роки тому

      it was more an exchange not a debate, these two don't seem to be angry at each other

  • @omar7396
    @omar7396 2 роки тому

    Who cares of this boring discussion. Why are you looking for topics to have arguments about sheek, you agreed but you are seeking to disagree whit this guy.

  • @Nwsanoor
    @Nwsanoor 2 роки тому +9

    If you analyze the discussion in an unbiased manner most of the points made by the sheikh did not have a basis in Quran and hadees however much he tried to portray it so. He was not at all convincing. The other brother had a valid point. None of what he said was against Quran and sunnah. The sheikh was a bit more loud in his approach and was trying to score points rather than having a calm discussion.

    • @jojoahmd123
      @jojoahmd123 2 роки тому +2

      Did the prophet Mohammed did these things the so called sofi are doing ?!?! Did he believe in it ?! if it is not we are throwing it as simple as that

    • @djangoo2848
      @djangoo2848 2 роки тому +5

      @@jojoahmd123 Just a sincere question, what do you understand of the term 'sufism'? Because like we can see in this video, the Shaykh had a certain caricature about sufism and tasawwuf. He mentions dancing, screaming dhikr in congregation etc. as if it's a thing every sufi does. Also when the Shaykh asked the question 'where is Allah?' the Shaykh already assumed that if he was a sufi, he would answer with 'Allah is everywhere', but the brother didn't. So we can clearly see that the Shaykh has a misconception about what Sufism and tasawwuf is and measures every Sufi with the same yardstick.
      So my question to you is what do you understand of sufism?

    • @jojoahmd123
      @jojoahmd123 2 роки тому +5

      @@djangoo2848
      (( i told you if what you believe in or what you do the prophet never did or talk about it just throw it simply ))
      the shykah did the right thing and he have the right to ask …….to see what this person believe is …..so I don’t understand what are you one about …..the fact that he asked means he want to know the answer he never accused he asked simply…also he did bring proves and he have a point as well unless if you are blind to it

    • @hammadmoosa1611
      @hammadmoosa1611 2 роки тому +3

      So you are saying fiqh people know more than Sahaba and Muhammad ﷺ they don't know this ibadah

    • @jojoahmd123
      @jojoahmd123 2 роки тому +4

      @@djangoo2848
      Well if we see the Sufi of these days that’s what they do …..dancing and saying Allah is everywhere even in their books ….so if the guy don’t follow that then he follow who ?! Which book at least I got it if he isn’t a sufi

  • @WaqasAhmed-bm8mh
    @WaqasAhmed-bm8mh Рік тому +1

    Wobbler salfi

  • @Faisal-kx6wq
    @Faisal-kx6wq 4 місяці тому

    Salfi aaqidah khwarij

  • @syedyaseenali5923
    @syedyaseenali5923 2 роки тому +4

    Imagine the money invested by sufis on grave decorations, stones, amulets etc, instead of doing that , they could collect all that money, which is in millions,, and sponsor some orphan or donate in charity.

    • @harunskywalker4942
      @harunskywalker4942 2 роки тому +2

      The claim of the true scholars of tasawwuf is that grave worship is entirely outside the fold of Islam.
      True tasawwuf is entirely based on Quran and Sunnah as understood by the 4 schools of thought. Anything outside of this should be rejected. Including grave worship.

    • @Visible-jb2ew
      @Visible-jb2ew 11 місяців тому

      Amulets, stones, worshiping dead is all haram. Don’t mix truth with falsehood and vice versa. Sufis aren’t a sect hence they fall in Sunni and Shia ones. The Sunni ones would be similar to your teachers hajar and nawawi. Be careful of what you say to your brothers.

  • @kintakinto1663
    @kintakinto1663 2 роки тому

    wahaboy

  • @khadijah372
    @khadijah372 2 роки тому +2

    Dear Shaik you are wrong ... Alhamdullilah our Ulama can prove By sahih Hadith ....Its not your field....

    • @Truth_come_to_perish_falsehood
      @Truth_come_to_perish_falsehood Рік тому +1

      Yes our Prophet (ﷺ) asked these questions to identify a believer: Prophet Muhammad Once said to a maid: Where is ALLAH? She said: ALLAH is in heaven. Prophet said: Who am I? She said: You are the Messenger of ALLAH. Prophet (ﷺ) then said to the owner of the maid: You set her free. Because she is a believer! Sahih Muslim Vol. 1, Book 4, Ḥadīth 1094

    • @Truth_come_to_perish_falsehood
      @Truth_come_to_perish_falsehood Рік тому +1

      Sufism derived from Shiaism = kabbalah Jews, freemasons, illuminati satanists believe that man can become GOD by reaching higest level of spirituality (like Mansoor hallaj claimed to be God/worshiped).

    • @Truth_come_to_perish_falsehood
      @Truth_come_to_perish_falsehood Рік тому +1

      Tell me who are easily going to be deceived by the Antichrist? You know Mumins believe that ALLAH is on Arsh (above heaven). But who are they who believe God come to earth in human form of wali/awlia/imams/prophets?

  • @mesut2030
    @mesut2030 2 роки тому +1

    This sheikh is a wahabi?

    • @Badrhari52
      @Badrhari52 2 роки тому +1

      Wahabi what is that ?

    • @rifatali8507
      @rifatali8507 2 роки тому

      Yes

    • @abdiasisali
      @abdiasisali 2 роки тому +1

      @@Badrhari52
      We should ask mr Mesut who said the shaikh is wahabi 😁

    • @Badrhari52
      @Badrhari52 2 роки тому +1

      @@abdiasisali haha Indeed brother

    • @Truth_come_to_perish_falsehood
      @Truth_come_to_perish_falsehood Рік тому

      who are they who believe that God come to earth in human form of wali awlia/imams/prophets/messiah to be deceived by antichrist?

  • @zafthedon
    @zafthedon 2 роки тому +2

    this guy is clearly salafi, so one should take his opinion with a grain of salt. Especially when he asked where is Allah.......classic salafi polemic.

    • @Truth_come_to_perish_falsehood
      @Truth_come_to_perish_falsehood Рік тому +2

      Just try to get this answer: who are they who believe that God come to earth in human form of wali awlia/imams/prophets/messiah to be deceived by antichrist?

  • @mohammadkhalil2710
    @mohammadkhalil2710 2 роки тому +5

    Wahabi you talking rubbish,,,, I am not sofey but the sofey is batter than you at least the say God have no body but you say God have

    • @hamzaahmed5436
      @hamzaahmed5436 2 роки тому +3

      If Allah has no body parts then ur liking Allah to nothing and saying Allah is nothing god forbid

    • @mohammadkhalil2710
      @mohammadkhalil2710 2 роки тому +2

      @@hamzaahmed5436 this the problem you think God has got parts same as the wahabi in the video, can you tell me if God got hand or legs what if his hand or leg is cut down what will happen to your God ,or if has got body how big is it does he get effected by physical low’s , and will the first sky takes him in .. God help you

    • @hamzaahmed5436
      @hamzaahmed5436 2 роки тому +2

      @@mohammadkhalil2710 a very ignorant thinking statement why don’t you go back to the QURAN AND SUNNAH just like us ‘wahabis’. Allah said. There is nothing like him and he is all seeing and all hearing.
      We affirm what Allah has affirmed without asking how as imam malik said that asking how is a biddah. Due to this we do this to allahs hands as he said to iblis. “What prevented you from prostrating with what i created with my 2 HANDS.” Allah said we believe but we don’t deny as Allah affirmed and we don’t liken as Allah said. There is nothing like him…

  • @seattlewa.
    @seattlewa. 12 днів тому

    Mohammad never spoke to Allah