Great video. The game devs did a good job of simulating the effectiveness of the .270 Winchester. Super flat in a non mag cartridge, fast and deadly, like in real life.
@@b.vo.they did horrible with the Remington 700 to, in the game it’s super inaccurate and I have the exact same gun irl chambered in 300 RUM and it’s an absolute tack driver, game’s always mess up guns compared to their irl performance
So I have a different perspective on performance. Yes energy, accuracy, and trajectory are some important important factors. To me, the energy drop and trajectory are most important if you are doing long range shots. Short and mid range, the energy for all tier 5 is plenty. The whole point of zeroing is to remove the impact of bullet drop from the equation. The way this game models damage, accuracy is very important. So the 243, 270 and 308 are all in that group above the 30.06 for accuracy. The other piece of the damage model that plays a big role that you didn't mention is the bullet impact model. Many of the calibers are very similar, but the 308 and 30.06 do stand out. The 30.06 does penetrate further before expanding out. So for frontal shots, you can place the widest part of the cavity damage much deeper in the animal, where the vital organs are. The 308 has an interesting shape the makes the wider parts of the cavity damage go a little further than some of the others. The 243 and 270 expand fast and taper off fast, so it is very possible, especially on a frontal shot, to do alot of flesh and bone damage, and then you get only penetration damage where the vital organs are. This can lead to not enough for a kill or squeezing the bullet over the heart and between the lungs. So to me bullet performance is one of the biggest factors in rifle performance. I switch rifles around alot. I do not like take long shots, I like to either call in or sneak in to make sure what all is in a group. So range is never an issue. I do call for sorting out culling priorities alot. So for my hunts, the bullet performance is probably the biggest factor in performance over the others. And I more often than not prefer a frontal lung shot because for me they are much more reliable, bigger target that the heart and you have the long path in the lung to ensure a kill.
And yes the 270 has probably the quickest follow up potential, but in am not planning a follow-up or multiple animals, plus I tend to prefer the bolt action over pump for a hunting rifle, nothing scientific, just preference
I agree with you that if you are not planning on taking long shots, then it comes down to preference because any rifle you use will get the job done. But for anything outside of 250 Meters, that's where you need to at least start considering which rifle you should be using. Excellent words and insight as always!
I use the 30-06 and 300 win mag mostly, I just stretch the distance a little and it slackens the hit energy to more "moral" levels. I also make good use of bows. I think they're the best weapon all around for everything. If you know how to stalk and be patient, patience is key for bow hunting in this game, which I like because it makes it more like actual bow hunting. But a good hit on anything is usually going to score you a 5 star hunt. I guess it's not as important as the star level of the animal in general, but I like trying to keep them both high. I'm glad they added different ammo types, but it could offer a couple more brands and variety but obviously there's advertising concerns and branding. But nonetheless, I still like that they changed it up. One of the best things about this game is the updates. Would be cool if they added more levers. 45-70, .444 Marlin, 7-30 waters, maybe even 25-35 win for lighter fare.
Sure the 308 dosent hit the hardest but that’s not necessarily a bad thing. It also means it’s not as overkill when using it on wolves compared to other tier 5s. Plus it is the most accurate gun in the game so that’s why I use it the most
I agree, that it is not a bad thing. It is a heavier bullet designed to hit hard and get the job done within a closer distance. However, even then, I might consider the 7mm over the .308.... I would have to check on whether or not it is the most accurate rifle in the game. I am not saying you are wrong, but all the Steyr rifles are inherently accurate.....I think I smell another scientific video coming up!
@@Stagtastic i can tell you with a hundred percent confidence it is. Me and many other people have tested it, you can too if you’d like just compare the hunter sense dots and you will see that the monobloc has the smallest hunter sense dot in the game meaning it’s the most accurate
Nice video! I'm glad I came across this. I have steered away from the 270 because it is my least favorite hunting rifle caliber IRL. I'll have to give that pump a go!
Hi. Your first reason is why i use the 308 and 300 Win Mag in-game. :) I have a Steyr Elite Rifle in 308. I know the Caliber very well. All ups and downs. Greetings
I appreciated thus perspective, when the game came out the 308 was the best and brightest we had. And I think a lot of you tubers use and love of this weapon influenced the community. Personally I shoot everything with the 300 win mag. I mostly hunt bighorn, elk, and mule deer. On alaska I love moose, elk, and black tail. I haven't hunted Europe much honestly. I just like having one gun that does it all, it gives me the ability to carry the 22 if i see a trophy bird or somthing. . I like the steyer 300 best. Great video as always my man
I own a .300 Win Mag and I second guess myself if I really want to pull the trigger sometimes! That is a powerful caliber! Thanks for the encouraging comments and thanks for being here!
I totally get it! I use the .30-06 and .300 Win Mag fairly often as well for that reason. I just wish the .30-06 was more accurate! Thanks for the comment.
@@Stagtastic well the 30-06 in the game is a century old so that can explain the accuracy issues. I love the 30-06, because I inherted my grandfather's 30-06 Musgrave (A Musgrave is a South African Rifle that took America's best all-round caliber, combined it with the action and barrel design of the Mauser K98, and added our own Afrikaner spin to the stock design and balance), and that rifle can hit an apple over a quarter mile consistently if you practice your marksmanship.
I use the Monobloc predominantly when my second weapon caters a very specific mission (e.g. shotguns, bows) as I feel the Monobloc works very well also for bigger game like Elks, Red Deer etc. Otherwise I usually pair the SM102 and the Pro Hunter II, alternatively Gams.
No problem! I say "20 on pump 5" more and more these days. You have a different kind of money or you have high credit card bills if you're filling up your truck with a full tank these days!
Three good Tier V rifles: Mono, 30.06 and the 7600. 30.30, has a massive reticle and it's the side of a mule deer torso at range 250+ (yards). 7600 is the best rifle in the game with one additionally great and bad feature. Pump action means much less disruption in view to cycle round so firing a second shot is MUCH easier. It also means that all the abilities you have in bolt action rifles are not worth a damn. If you want to hit targets beyond 200 yards, and take advantage of all your bolt action abilities, Monobloc is still king.
hey, good info all around. but i'd still put 308 over 243. the 243 is great but just too risky/small for the bigger tier 5 in my experience. but hey, just my opinion
But isn't that what the 7MM is for? 😉 I would choose the .243 over the .308 if those were the only rilfes I could choose from because of how flat it shoots. But I understand where you are coming from!
I use the .308 because it looks awesome and it can take any tier 5 animal I want to hunt and it can take tier 6 animals as well. I don't really care about how flat it can shoot. We can agree the .270 is better ( I don't like the look of it, so i don't use it. ) but the .243? No way.
Fair enough! The .243 can do all the .308 does. But if you are looking as a mid range rifle between the Tier 5 and Tier 6 animals, then I can understand that!
Can you tell me pls. Why should i think about bullet drop? When with sence i can see red dot where the bullet will go. Or just zerowing it so again i am on 300m away from the animal and my scope is on the spot with 300m zeroing.
You will mainly need to keep this in mind when playing on the "Hunter" Difficulty/The hardest difficulty of the game where hunter sense is not available to you. On the "hunter" Difficulty, you will not have a red dot bullet impact indicator.
308 is in-game and real-life nothing other but a neutered 30-06. Less recoil makes it more accurate in short to medium ranges, but it loses a lot of oomph past 150m. The 30-06 keeps most of its energy up to 200m. If the round is a bit heavy for your target, go 270 Winchester, that thing is a LASER in RL and the game. Just keep your engagements within 150m. If you need a bit more distance and accuracy, you're looking for the performance of the 7mm.
I love the .30-06! Unfortunately, even for me, it is too inaccurate even for shots within 150 meters. I would not trust it if I was running the Ranger difficulty.
I don't prefer using my guns caliber in game. I prefer to use the one that is closest to its actual performance. The game is good, but the rounds perform wildly different to their real life counterparts.
@@eamonhillis619 Correct. The stat is not so much to provide advice on how to set up your shot without needing to zero your optic in, but rather to show the difference and amount of energy loss between calibers. For some reason, you failed to see the value in that. I am glad I was able to clear this up for you! Good luck out there.
@@Stagtasticthere is no correlation between bullet drop and energy loss, as per your own data @6:38. The .308 in fact retains more energy at distance than the .243, even with more bullet drop. You're trying hard to have a unique opinion.
I am glad you found it helpful! I will be posting more videos and streaming towards the end of the summer, but I had to take a break for now. Thank you for your patients!
No drop at 200 meters, lol. The game doesn't have gravity for the .243 and .270? Plus the energy charts are wrong if they wanted realism. The .308 loses less energy with popular rounds than the .270. about the same 1000 energy loss at about 50 to 100 yards difference.
No hate intended, and I don't have an opinion on the 308, but I think it's disingenuous to show the 243 as green and the 308 as yellow/orange. You are completely ignoring the fact that the 308 starts out nearly 600j stronger, so even at 200m+ it's stronger than the 243's starting power. So viewing your chart, i ignore your coloring opinion bias, and all I see is that the 308 is FAR better than the 243, i just have to compensate for a couple inches of drop. .308 at 200m delivering 3190j .243 at 200m delivering 2547j Just seems like you're building visual bias into your chart.
I love it! Shoots flat and gets the job done for deer! Even too powerful at close ranges for Roe. Best rifle IMO for long range mountain Chamois hunts due to it's flat trajectory and not being very sensitive to wind.
Great video. The game devs did a good job of simulating the effectiveness of the .270 Winchester. Super flat in a non mag cartridge, fast and deadly, like in real life.
I completely agree. I hope that they continue to keep that attention to detail as the game continues to grow!
They simultaneously did a bad job representing the .338 lapua magnum
@@b.vo.they did horrible with the Remington 700 to, in the game it’s super inaccurate and I have the exact same gun irl chambered in 300 RUM and it’s an absolute tack driver, game’s always mess up guns compared to their irl performance
So I have a different perspective on performance. Yes energy, accuracy, and trajectory are some important important factors. To me, the energy drop and trajectory are most important if you are doing long range shots. Short and mid range, the energy for all tier 5 is plenty. The whole point of zeroing is to remove the impact of bullet drop from the equation. The way this game models damage, accuracy is very important. So the 243, 270 and 308 are all in that group above the 30.06 for accuracy. The other piece of the damage model that plays a big role that you didn't mention is the bullet impact model. Many of the calibers are very similar, but the 308 and 30.06 do stand out. The 30.06 does penetrate further before expanding out. So for frontal shots, you can place the widest part of the cavity damage much deeper in the animal, where the vital organs are. The 308 has an interesting shape the makes the wider parts of the cavity damage go a little further than some of the others. The 243 and 270 expand fast and taper off fast, so it is very possible, especially on a frontal shot, to do alot of flesh and bone damage, and then you get only penetration damage where the vital organs are. This can lead to not enough for a kill or squeezing the bullet over the heart and between the lungs. So to me bullet performance is one of the biggest factors in rifle performance.
I switch rifles around alot. I do not like take long shots, I like to either call in or sneak in to make sure what all is in a group. So range is never an issue. I do call for sorting out culling priorities alot. So for my hunts, the bullet performance is probably the biggest factor in performance over the others. And I more often than not prefer a frontal lung shot because for me they are much more reliable, bigger target that the heart and you have the long path in the lung to ensure a kill.
And yes the 270 has probably the quickest follow up potential, but in am not planning a follow-up or multiple animals, plus I tend to prefer the bolt action over pump for a hunting rifle, nothing scientific, just preference
I agree with you that if you are not planning on taking long shots, then it comes down to preference because any rifle you use will get the job done. But for anything outside of 250 Meters, that's where you need to at least start considering which rifle you should be using. Excellent words and insight as always!
I use the 30-06 and 300 win mag mostly, I just stretch the distance a little and it slackens the hit energy to more "moral" levels. I also make good use of bows. I think they're the best weapon all around for everything. If you know how to stalk and be patient, patience is key for bow hunting in this game, which I like because it makes it more like actual bow hunting. But a good hit on anything is usually going to score you a 5 star hunt. I guess it's not as important as the star level of the animal in general, but I like trying to keep them both high. I'm glad they added different ammo types, but it could offer a couple more brands and variety but obviously there's advertising concerns and branding. But nonetheless, I still like that they changed it up. One of the best things about this game is the updates. Would be cool if they added more levers. 45-70, .444 Marlin, 7-30 waters, maybe even 25-35 win for lighter fare.
I don’t suppose you’ve done a video on herd management have you bud?
No, but I will put it on the calendar! Thanks for the comment!
Sure the 308 dosent hit the hardest but that’s not necessarily a bad thing. It also means it’s not as overkill when using it on wolves compared to other tier 5s. Plus it is the most accurate gun in the game so that’s why I use it the most
I agree, that it is not a bad thing. It is a heavier bullet designed to hit hard and get the job done within a closer distance. However, even then, I might consider the 7mm over the .308.... I would have to check on whether or not it is the most accurate rifle in the game. I am not saying you are wrong, but all the Steyr rifles are inherently accurate.....I think I smell another scientific video coming up!
@@Stagtastic i can tell you with a hundred percent confidence it is. Me and many other people have tested it, you can too if you’d like just compare the hunter sense dots and you will see that the monobloc has the smallest hunter sense dot in the game meaning it’s the most accurate
i think main reason is that is most versatile weapon it can hunt all tier 5 and tier6 animals
True.
Nice video! I'm glad I came across this. I have steered away from the 270 because it is my least favorite hunting rifle caliber IRL. I'll have to give that pump a go!
Hi.
Your first reason is why i use the 308 and 300 Win Mag in-game. :)
I have a Steyr Elite Rifle in 308. I know the Caliber very well. All ups and downs.
Greetings
I appreciated thus perspective, when the game came out the 308 was the best and brightest we had. And I think a lot of you tubers use and love of this weapon influenced the community. Personally I shoot everything with the 300 win mag. I mostly hunt bighorn, elk, and mule deer. On alaska I love moose, elk, and black tail.
I haven't hunted Europe much honestly.
I just like having one gun that does it all, it gives me the ability to carry the 22 if i see a trophy bird or somthing. . I like the steyer 300 best. Great video as always my man
I own a .300 Win Mag and I second guess myself if I really want to pull the trigger sometimes! That is a powerful caliber! Thanks for the encouraging comments and thanks for being here!
I use the .308 in game for one reason. It's the caliber I hunt with with my Remington 783. Great Vid!
I totally get it! I use the .30-06 and .300 Win Mag fairly often as well for that reason. I just wish the .30-06 was more accurate! Thanks for the comment.
@@Stagtastic well the 30-06 in the game is a century old so that can explain the accuracy issues. I love the 30-06, because I inherted my grandfather's 30-06 Musgrave (A Musgrave is a South African Rifle that took America's best all-round caliber, combined it with the action and barrel design of the Mauser K98, and added our own Afrikaner spin to the stock design and balance), and that rifle can hit an apple over a quarter mile consistently if you practice your marksmanship.
I use the Monobloc predominantly when my second weapon caters a very specific mission (e.g. shotguns, bows) as I feel the Monobloc works very well also for bigger game like Elks, Red Deer etc. Otherwise I usually pair the SM102 and the Pro Hunter II, alternatively Gams.
Let's go! Thankful for this information 👍
No problem! I say "20 on pump 5" more and more these days. You have a different kind of money or you have high credit card bills if you're filling up your truck with a full tank these days!
Three good Tier V rifles: Mono, 30.06 and the 7600.
30.30, has a massive reticle and it's the side of a mule deer torso at range 250+ (yards).
7600 is the best rifle in the game with one additionally great and bad feature. Pump action means much less disruption in view to cycle round so firing a second shot is MUCH easier. It also means that all the abilities you have in bolt action rifles are not worth a damn.
If you want to hit targets beyond 200 yards, and take advantage of all your bolt action abilities, Monobloc is still king.
hey, good info all around. but i'd still put 308 over 243. the 243 is great but just too risky/small for the bigger tier 5 in my experience. but hey, just my opinion
But isn't that what the 7MM is for? 😉 I would choose the .243 over the .308 if those were the only rilfes I could choose from because of how flat it shoots. But I understand where you are coming from!
I use the .308 because it looks awesome and it can take any tier 5 animal I want to hunt and it can take tier 6 animals as well. I don't really care about how flat it can shoot. We can agree the .270 is better ( I don't like the look of it, so i don't use it. ) but the .243? No way.
Fair enough! The .243 can do all the .308 does. But if you are looking as a mid range rifle between the Tier 5 and Tier 6 animals, then I can understand that!
Can you tell me pls. Why should i think about bullet drop? When with sence i can see red dot where the bullet will go. Or just zerowing it so again i am on 300m away from the animal and my scope is on the spot with 300m zeroing.
You will mainly need to keep this in mind when playing on the "Hunter" Difficulty/The hardest difficulty of the game where hunter sense is not available to you. On the "hunter" Difficulty, you will not have a red dot bullet impact indicator.
308 is in-game and real-life nothing other but a neutered 30-06. Less recoil makes it more accurate in short to medium ranges, but it loses a lot of oomph past 150m. The 30-06 keeps most of its energy up to 200m. If the round is a bit heavy for your target, go 270 Winchester, that thing is a LASER in RL and the game. Just keep your engagements within 150m. If you need a bit more distance and accuracy, you're looking for the performance of the 7mm.
In advanced before I watch the answer is no use the 30.06 but we need it in the M1 Grand not the Springfeild
I love the .30-06! Unfortunately, even for me, it is too inaccurate even for shots within 150 meters. I would not trust it if I was running the Ranger difficulty.
That why the M1 would be good it semi auto because accuracy by volume
@@o_gpotterhead Why not a nice accurate modern bolt gun? Not into spray and pray. LOL!!!
@@phyzel9417 or the BAR full auto 30.06
@@o_gpotterhead OMG!!! LOL!!! The recoil!!!
I don't prefer using my guns caliber in game. I prefer to use the one that is closest to its actual performance. The game is good, but the rounds perform wildly different to their real life counterparts.
The 7600 is glitched it shows like 3800 jewels sometimes rivaling the .300 win mag
It is possible. But when I created my comparison video I do not believe it was glitched then, so I still believe it outperforms the .308.
Bullet dop is irrelevant. Just adjust your scope.
Thanks for the comment! Bullet drop is relevant for those playing on the highest difficulty of the game! Good luck and have fun!
@@Stagtastic you can still zero your scope on ranger mode buddy
@@eamonhillis619 Correct. The stat is not so much to provide advice on how to set up your shot without needing to zero your optic in, but rather to show the difference and amount of energy loss between calibers. For some reason, you failed to see the value in that. I am glad I was able to clear this up for you! Good luck out there.
@@Stagtasticthere is no correlation between bullet drop and energy loss, as per your own data @6:38. The .308 in fact retains more energy at distance than the .243, even with more bullet drop. You're trying hard to have a unique opinion.
@@eamonhillis619 *Face Palm* Hope you have some great hunts!
I love that video very very helpful
I am glad you found it helpful! I will be posting more videos and streaming towards the end of the summer, but I had to take a break for now. Thank you for your patients!
Imma stick with my 338 just rips everything don't need to worry bout losing money if you do the tasks
To each their own! Good luck out there!
Great content
Thanks for the encouraging words!
No drop at 200 meters, lol. The game doesn't have gravity for the .243 and .270? Plus the energy charts are wrong if they wanted realism. The .308 loses less energy with popular rounds than the .270. about the same 1000 energy loss at about 50 to 100 yards difference.
Correct. That's why I said that we have to remember that this is a video game when I was going through the intro.
Ima stick to my .300 win mag
.300 Win Mag is a great weapon until you get into the smaller Tier 5 animals for sure!
No hate intended, and I don't have an opinion on the 308, but I think it's disingenuous to show the 243 as green and the 308 as yellow/orange. You are completely ignoring the fact that the 308 starts out nearly 600j stronger, so even at 200m+ it's stronger than the 243's starting power. So viewing your chart, i ignore your coloring opinion bias, and all I see is that the 308 is FAR better than the 243, i just have to compensate for a couple inches of drop.
.308 at 200m delivering 3190j
.243 at 200m delivering 2547j
Just seems like you're building visual bias into your chart.
I hate the 243 feels weak for me
I mean, a gun will do what a gun will do. You don't NEED a .308 for deer. Like I said though, everyone has their own opinions on the matter!
I love it! Shoots flat and gets the job done for deer! Even too powerful at close ranges for Roe. Best rifle IMO for long range mountain Chamois hunts due to it's flat trajectory and not being very sensitive to wind.
I hunt .30-06
I prefer the 7600
I do as well. It always surprises me how good it is if I don't use it for a while and then come back to it!
7mm FTW!
do yall have a discord?