Since so much people asked : the show is infinity train and you can go watch it on HBO max right here : www.hbomax.com/series/urn:hbo:series:GXkNXsArG_o7CZgEAABfH Owen Dennis (the creator of the show) and his crew really need help so go watch the series ! Thanks for all the views and the comments, I'm glad you're enjoying the video ! Don't forget to read the description, there's more informations about Lake and the theories around her. Also, don't forget it's all just theories and personnal interpretations, it's not cannon, so keep your transphobic opinions to yourself, thanks.
@@santiagoch872 get your homophobia away from this video, please! on a somewhat related note, don’t take your homophobia to my channel, because I won’t hesitate to delete your hate comments.
Lake describing their "friend" Tulip is so similar to being trans and describing yourself before you realized you were trans as a whole other person, holy shit..... I already knew they were trans-coded, but damn. I can't believe I didn't realize that parallel.
@lasyagna i like italian food y’all are definitely overlooking this whole thing she’s not trans, she is tired of being just tulips reflection she wants to be her own person instead of living in tulips shadow, this is not trans messages or themes, I still support trans rights but this is just not about transgender stuff.
@@CharlieCat18 Maybe if you learn proper etiquette that it’s not morally accepted to attack people especially those who just wish to respect the author’s wishes?
I know this is a little offbeat from everything else here, but this just feels like you had another Pixar film, wear something that technically isn't sentient to suddenly sentient now, but this time it's your reflection. Now there's apparently a whole like life force behind it, so now you have to feel bad every time you accidentally see your reflection butt naked in the mirror
as a gender nonconforming person it hits so hard. i have constantly validate myself to people that im not an "it", "abomination", or a freak...im a person. its so hard sometimes. im just trying to find who me is, even if that makes me different.
OMG... just had the thought. "MT" = Empty. Then, when they name themselves "Lake" you could see that as them no longer being Empty as they're fulfilled. Damn... never caught that the first watch.
Similar parallel: Ashley Johnson, who voices Tulip and Mirror Tulip, is part of a D&D show called “Critical Role”. In Critical Role’s second campaign, there’s a character named Mollymauk Tealeaf (not played by Ashley Johnson, but her friend and co-star Taliesin Jaffe). Part of Mollymauk’s story is that he woke up one day with no memory of who he was. Everything inside him was “empty”. And that’s the only word he was able to say for a while. Until he met people who misinterpreted it for “MT”, as his initials. Then he gave himself the name Mollymauk Tealeaf. Anyway, I’m a big Critical Role fan and I caught that reference, or parallel, when I watched it.
Fun fact: Owen wanted Lake/MT to be openly non-binary (people who go by they/them) but CN said he couldn’t because that would get Infinity Train Cancelled (which they still did so-)
Quick thing! Non-binary people use a variety of pronouns not only they/them! Although they/them is commonly used by non-binary individuals it's not the only option and isn't always the case! Also, happy to hear that the creator confirmed that Lake's Non-binary! Wish CN didn't have to be so transphobic.
Owen wanted lgbtq themes in infinity train but wasn’t allowed so he relied on subtext he deleted the tweet stating that, so yeah it’s confirmed lake is trans/non-binary and Ryan an min are gay we win. :)
I believe the creator even said they wanted to portray a non-binary character, but they weren’t allowed to. I relate to Lake so much, they were definitely meant to be nb.
@@bakercat2108 just shit about like “keeping it family friendly” or something. Same reason why it took so long for gay characters to be allowed in children’s media. I’m not entirely sure tho, so maybe look it up.
@@StrawberryBunnyBoba How is being nb "not family friendly"??? The earlier LGBTQ+ gets introduced to children the less homophboic/transphobic people will be, who cares if a few Karens stop watching?
@@featherwhiskerfan629 Exactly. I'd kill to see more non-binary representation in cartoons, seeing someone like me portrayed as just like everyone else is my absolute dream...
Lake is such a great example of writing a trans coded character without making it explicit that they're trans. Their whole struggles with either forcing themself to live their life as someone they aren't, or risk getting hurt is a very real challenge that so many trans people face- as well as them constantly being told that they aren't really a person (akin to misgendering) by those around them.
I think saying she’s transcoded is kinda far fetched (unless it was confirmed or smth). For example, I have abusive parents and I can relate to those things, like being forced to live a life they want being at risk being told nothing I want is real etc. It’s not about me, I’m sure a lot of other people have the same struggles, not only trans. Idk how to phrase it but I’m not here to start a fight, I just can’t understand what specifically indicates that creators hid a message about trans people.
@@ratspew932 Maybe it's one of those things where you can find your own meaning from it. You know, have it relate to your own struggles, whether that be what transgender and non-binary people feel, or what people who've experienced abusive relationships feel, or something else entirely. Personally, I feel like this character is relatable to anyone who struggles to live as who they are, and people who've gone through identity crises.
@@ratspew932 Check the description, there are some things that are relatable there for trans people. But we know is not canon, but it can be interpretated like that.
She's not struggling with any kind of transitioning, she's struggling to obtain her independence, both from the antagonists and from being Tulip's reflection. She just want to be her own person.
@@elgatochurro (hey whoever is planning on arguing with this guy, please don’t you’re probably gonna just get more annoyed by their existent that you already are)
@@krisvelivia Lake could have decided of a new pronoun after she/they came out of the train and decided to have this name, it doesn't sound weird... in the whole show Lake looked like she/they were fine with "she", but we didn't hear any pronoun after getting out of the train
And One-One's dialogue in the next scene is so good. He's a representation of a system that isn't intentionally malicious but can't accept the possibility of someone wanting anything outside of or beyond the normative expectations of the people in it, resulting in harm upon those that fall outside of it. The logical limitations of the train do not account for the existence of a denizen who doesn't want to remain a denizen because that's just how things are supposed to work. It's only when Lake exploits a loophole in the system that allows for a recognition of their personhood, brought on by a logical contradiction due to unforseen circumstances, are they then granted an exit. Also, I find it poetic that Lake's main friend/love interest on their journey is Navajo, so the subtext of Jesse going back to assist his trans-coded friend/love interest confront a system not built to accept the humanity of particular individuals is especially compelling, considering the marginalized circumstances of both groups.
I actually lose it every time Lake gets called “Chrome Girl” and responds that that’s not their name and that they’re not answering to that. This is fantastic.
I always thought it sounded like MT as in male testosterone, which is an important part of the transition process if your trans wtm. Idk maybe it’s just me lol.
I think the best thing about Lakes story is also that they go completely unidentified in that way, trans men, trans women, and nonbinary ppl alike can all identify with this story in their own way and not feel excluded.
NDKWNFOENF Ok this is gold I am feeling progressively more and more stupid by reading these comments and realizing I hadn't catched any of the hints at a trans representation in this show
i saw a tumblr post in which the person said their classmate was an enby called "Brick" and that was the most chad thing they ever saw in their life :V
@@ecaterina6035 a lot of ppl hc that Lake is non-binary cuz Owen said that he wanted to make an nb character, but cartoon said that they couldn't do it, sadly Edit: I never said I think all nbs use those pronouns ffs. I was just explaining why that person said "a fed up they/them" and y'all suddenly assumed that I agree with that statment 💀 Ik pronouns ≠ gender, can y'all stop now? Damn
@@mafe7886 yeah I know lol, but can y all PLEASE stop calling non binary people "they/them"what the fuck is that, you don t go around calling women "she/hers". Plus not all non binary people use they/them and not all people who use they/them are non binary
2:15 I like how Tulip stopped before saying “me”, showing she’s respectful of Lake’s identity and choices. It’s kinda like when you’re texting a nb/trans person and you text the wrong pronouns and then correct it before sending it out.
@@Brandon-1996 a lot of the time us trans folk are treated like we’re not real or people. People call us “it” or “that” and just treat us like monsters. Then there are people who objectify us and sexualize us. It hurts to not be seen as a person. Because were seen as a problem or a topic. That’s the best I could put it based on how I see it. I don’t know how OP feels
@@lunezzzy4606 I can touch on the topic by offering you some of my perspective: In a world with new tech and old biology, we weren't designed to communicate through text. People are able to say just about whatever they want without consequence, as opposed to in-person, where you to have to look people in the eye to communicate with them. There's many things to take from that... Young people deserve to know just how harsh, careless, and willfully ignorant people can be, in-person or on the monitor. Regardless, we should also recognize the difference. Not to say you're clueless to that fact. (We should study this stuff in middle school psychology or something, anyway.) Regardless of whether someone associates your trans perspective with illness, associates it with challenges, or associates in with diversity of opportunity, anyone with any principals can see that whatever it is you're dealing with is not easy, and criticism, generally speaking, ought to be handled with a certain amount of care, if it's worth anything. (I'm sure you're irritated when it isn't.) Obviously since what you deal with is very rare, (though decreasingly so, I hear,) you could use a hand, and that's the general thing I recommend: Do the best you can with what you have, and ask fo help when you need it. As well, continue to push head-on into different perspectives about trans issues, because no one of us, individuals or groups, has all the answers.
‘You can keep calling her tulip cause I’m not her anymore’ spoke to me and reminded me of the first time I stood against my transphobic family members. They would always shout for me saying ‘Billy’ but one time I didn’t come down and when they asked why I said ‘Cause I am Winnie now’ and the look on their face made my day
You think you're slick But everything you did was built on the back of another So fuck you Today is the first day of the end of your lives So get down if you don't wanna die I feel pissed now and you're wondering why I regret nothing because you're begging to die I'm about to go postal, taking all of your lives
"Technically I am a 'criminal', but I didn't do anything wrong" That line and just the whole fact that Lake is an outcast from the Mirror World because of how they think, how they act and that they want to be more than a reflection is just so fricking relatable to me as a trans person. I love them so much and I don't even watch this show (yet)
This!! I struggle a lot with this feeling. Like no one wants to know the real you, like they want you to be hollow and reflective so they can see only what they want to. Even when you cry and say over and over you are a person, that you just want to be yourself, and all they do is blame you for not being the character they made up to replace you. They ignore and cherry-pick your personality to fit into a reflection and then get so mad when you break it. The only crime I committed was being myself and I’m reminded daily of it. Thank goodness for the people who live unapologetically, they give me hope. Someday I will be a person I can live with, and those people who would say otherwise will be far behind.
@@michaelstaab2872 Do you actually know what relate means? They relate to the character on a personal level, they aren't saying that they are living and copying the character behavior if that's what you think. They said: I relate to her (Lake) because she's treated as bad and dangerous just for who she is and her wanting to live her own life in peace. That's how a Trans person usually feel when they get attacked or insulted just for being themself and that's what relate means. They are living their life and find comfort in someone who is experiencing someone similiar. If they relate to her I can't see why you should care when you don't even understand the word relate. Since that comment wasn't directed to you you could have easily ignored and continued with your life, who they relate to it's not your problem and they aren't doing anything bad with feeling connected with a character.
@@michaelstaab2872 you don’t know anything about LGBT+ people do you? In many countries around the world being LGBT+ is illegal, or people can kill/abuse/harass us and not be punished at all so we have to hide who we are at all times. Even in many states in America there’s no protection to LGBT+ students, they can be banned from sports teams or clubs or get bullied by their peers and nobody has to do anything because the law provides zero protections for them.
I really have no clue if they intended to create a trans character at the beginning, but later decided, or were forced, to change it. Anyway, I like to think that lake was intended to be trans !
Omg you are so right, idk how I didn t notice it the first time I watched the show but lake s definetly trans coded Edit:to the cissies whining under my comment, Lake is canon trans, Owen basically said that he wasn't allowed to say the word "trans" but the character Lake is 100% intended to be a metaphor for trans people, if that hurts your feelings, too bad I guess
I think trans experience is just one of the many things that can relate to be different than someone told you to be. It can also be about general independence form controlling families or partners, it includes trans experience and also every behavior, every look and every identity you wanna be. That's what I like about lake so much. She shows what many people have in common and how tribalism, seperation or being unwilling to learn from eachothers can make you blind and not see that someone right in front of you is going though something you can actually understand and isn't so different than you make them out to be.
@S K no I think its a lot of metaphorical things, I just connected them too •Lake spent most of her life mirroring Tulip, a person who they didn't want to be but had to mirror because that's what they are *supposed to act*. She only started to become who they actually were once they came out of the mirror(closet) •Lake was treated like a criminal and denied respect(or human rights) for something she didn't think was wrong • There were also some scenes that were parallel to trans experiences. The scene where she tells Jessie why she is being hunted down feels like a coming out scene, Jessie asking uncomfortable questions about Lake and her body, people constantly telling Lake that thier not a person because they weren't made as a person, being called slur like words(like sliver and some others that I can't recall), being treated as less than humans when accomplishing the same things as passengers, etc.
@@krivssa1152 we're often confronted about bathroom issues since most of us are uncomfortable with going in the bathroom designed for the gender they assigned us at birth. trans people dont owe anyone an explanation about it, and it's uncomfortable to ask anything about it to a trans person, its just their own business.
"I used to have this friend named Tulip, and we did everything together. But as we grew up, we didn't have much more in common anymore. But my parents thought Tulip was perfect and wanted me to be exactly like her" This is- wow.
Lake named themself after the first thing they saw. They’re definitely nb lol Edit: 5K OF YOU SAW THIS AND WENT “Ah yes. comedy at it’s finest.” IM SCREAMING anyways, i’ve legit never had this many likes lol
@@deepfriedspaghetti982 they isn't non-binary, it's gender neutral, as in it doesn't indicate any specific gender, hence using it when you don't know someone's pronouns
@@deepfriedspaghetti982 Yeah, I’m Demiboy and I use multiple pronouns. He/Him and They/Them. Having pronouns aren’t gendered, it’s how you’d want to be referred as.
Honestly if the rumors of 4 being the last season end up being false I hope sometime in the future we get a "happily ever after" season with one-off episodes for each of the passengers back on Earth
@@heyheyitsjae2475 yea, but season 5 (more like a movie) is probably gonna come out... but can I ramble about a thing I want that I would buy for ANY price?
I like that they choose Lake as their name because it fits as a nonbinary name, but also that's the first time they were able to look at their reflection on a reflective surface without being attacked. Everytime they look in a mirror, water, or a shiny surface the flex come to attack them. The only way they were able to see themselves was by looking at their hand which is where their number is supposed to be. They no longer have to look at the constant reminder that they are stuck, and they don't need to worry about being attacked. They can now look at themselves as who they are. Lake. Edit: Holy jesus I completely forgot I commented this. I'm glad you all enjoyed my analysis of Lake. This made my day so much better. Happy Pride everybody!!!
“I don’t owe you an explanation” “It’s not my name I just let you call me that” The constant deadnaming “You’re not even real” Getting uncomfortable every time they’re called or dressed as a girl. “I know who I am” “Look at me. I am a person”” “I’m not any of the hundreds of names everyone wants to give me”
@@Em0ji so the creator of the show wanted to do direct representation, but Disney said no. People generally interpret Lake being trans as his indirect representation. Between the entire name plot being a very typically trans journey, her trying to be a passenger but constantly being labeled as a denizen, being called not real, and OFC getting uncomfortable when having to be feminine or referred to as such
Tbf only the cops were called Flecks, so that's less a slur against Lake and others in their position like sliver is and more akin to calling them pigs.
@@gguestiongues I totally could reply explaining how this is such a stupid comment and why you have the IQ of half a burnt grilled cheese sandwich but I saw the words "Joe Rogan" and was immediately reminded of that one sonic shirt. TLDR because I know you have the attention span of a hyperactive goldfish: unfortunately, ADHD.
Her/Their name is literally Lake. That is the most non-binary name possible lmao. Edit: I have nothing against calling Lake her, my general headcannon is that they're a she/they enby
I'm not tulip I'm not foil I'm not a reflection I'm not a sliver I'm not a nole I'm not any of the hundreds of names that everyone wants to give me I'm my own person who's getting off this train! and whatever gears or reality changing buttons you need to press you're going to do it!
as a trans man i feel more represented by lake than most media with canon trans men. the reading of lake as a trans man/transmasculine nby person makes so much sense, and aligns with my own experiences so well. i love him :>
Another fellow trans man here, I love the representation here and are correlated with how I feel in general situations too ^^ I could take notes in how wonderfully these shows make an area of identities in lgbtq feel our souls represented
I don’t think she disliked chrome girl because of the girl but the fact that she didn’t make that name and if her whole point is wanting complete control of her life she probably didn’t like that someone decided a name for her I personally think she is still a girl and people just want every character to be trans
I felt trans and enby vibes from Lake. Mainly cause them not having a number can equate to not having a gender but the transliness is definitely there.
I always figured the not having a number thing as not being recognized by the system as as valid as a cis person is (in other words, institucional transphobia) and her wrecking all the bots down as literally raging against the CIStem demanding to be respected and have the same rights as any other person. But anyhow since their very first appearance back in season 1 Lake always had like trans/nb tattooed all over her face for me hahaha
"I AM A _PERSON!!"_ hits so hard when you consider all the queer subtext of lake's character as a whole-- and then the fact that being queer in today's world can make you feel less than human i love lake so much
Don't worry you have no need to feel less like a person, currently being queer is one of the most celebrated minorities. As demonstrated by most mainstream media sites, and LGBTQ first programs initiated in most fields of higher education.
Lake: *gains independence* Lake: *immediately rips off sleeves, dons combat boots, pierces their own ears, and gives themself a drastic haircut* Me: title checks out
@@Mimiro-m2g Oh you misunderstand 😅 I’m a cis woman with a buzzcut and a few piercings. I started wearing tank tops when I came to terms with myself. Actually my non-binary spouse grew out their hair and started wearing dresses when they came out 😂 I am not here to offend, only to meme
The ironic thing? Season 2 of Infinite Train came out when I started realizing I was non-binary. My favorite character was a trans icon and helped me realize I was trans and I didn't even know it.
@@nubesloc4s Thank you so much! I'm still in the closet about this to a lot of people, but this has been such a good journey for me to go through. I feel like I'm making progress every day. :)
5:49 really does have such ‘cis person asking inappropriate and intrusive questions about a trans persons body’ energy (also! i love your interpretation of the flecs as a representation of dysphoria! that’s Definitely how i’m gonna view them next time i watch the show! :D)
@@shonybaloney but he was asking if they could go to the bathroom, instead of just pretending/reflecting it, that has nothing to do with asking someone what's in their pants lol
@@runeistaken ok so. like. do you know what coding is? like in terms of characters. this entire video is saying "this character is trans coded". that question reflects- in a more kid friendly manner- an intrusive question that trans people are asked about our bodies. its not exactly it, but it portrays an uncomfortable experience without directly saying its about it.
@@runeistaken A common question for trans people--especially for nonbinary people--is "which bathroom do you use?" (Which is more often than not just a 'nicer,' roundabout way of asking what's in your pants. Still incredibly intrusive and very rude though.) The reason the question here is just "do you go to the bathroom" most likely stems from the same reason Lake isn't explicitly stated to be trans, but is instead a metaphor for coming out as trans: the network wouldn't have allowed for explicit trans rep of any kind. :/
I *wish* I had the confidence Lake has. Just yelling/ranting when things are unfair or they're being treated in a way they don't like. I mostly just bottle that shiz up. I hate being called a girl but I just don't do anything about it because social anxiety and transphbia.
That’s honestly what makes fiction/stories like theirs are so beautiful, that catharsis the viewer gets out of seeing Lake share so many similar struggles but with the assertiveness/courage that’s challenging - or just often impossible - to exercise in real life, it’s powerful stuff. Considering it might have been motivation for people watching it to come out as trans/nb after seeing Lake push through it, Id say we need a few dozen more shows like this asap 😭❤️ sorry for the rant, I’m just really happy seeing so many people in the comments get so much out of this show, it’s really beautiful
I just want to say You deserve to be called what you want to be called If they don't respect your identity, it's their fault and you have all the rights to say "no, don't call me a girl!"
I know nobody asked, but I feel this very much because when people use “she” too much in one sentence to describe me or use “Ms/Mrs” jokingly, it kinda makes me grimace. I’m more used to my name being said (despite barely anyone knowing I’m nb) but it feels so strange. It hurts even more if it’s my own friends, when we’ve gone over this with them at least twice, one lasting an hour and they still haven’t digested it. They’re genuinely good people, I will say, but it just seems they’ve just forgotten and I just don’t want to say anything because I don’t want to get one of my friends in trouble again. Sorry for the vent lmao
WAIT INFINITY TRAIN WAS ACCEPTED AND MADE INTO A SHOW?!?! NO-ONE FUCKING TOLD ME I KNEW THIS LOOKED FAMILIAR!!!! ALSO MANRHMANTJSGJDBGKRMGD PERHAPS!!!!
Yeah, but if you're as hyped about it as I was you may be disappointed. 10 eleven minute episodes for one full story arc forced it to have very rushed pacing. Would have been better if the network allowed them more episodes that are at least 22 minutes
@@twist_ending7545 They said, "if this was their intention Lake is a great way to represent trans people". I'm just not sure why it's so important if it was intentional. I'm not questioning as in disagreeing, I'm genuinely wondering.
Thinking about how One-One as the final obstacle in Book 2 is a metaphor for an indifferent bureaucracy that, while not actively malicious, keeps trans people from transitioning, accessing hormone therapy, changing their legal names, and having their identities be recognized.
Omgg yes The parallel between "you have a number soo you can exit but you are a denizen soo you cant exit" and "you are like your preferred gender in soo many ways soo you should be treated like it but you are a different sex soo i should treat you like that sex and completely ignore your identity from a legal perspective" Also can i add , "how should we treat trans people" argument is completely devoid of nuance which was really highlighted in the shows analogy
The fact that they get so mf fed up being called “chrome-girl” absolutely SCREAMS they/them to me. Like I seriously don’t understand how you can watch this show and witness the fact that when people belittle Lake, they use gendered language, and still be like “Oh that’s just a badass femme character!” No baby, that’s an androgynous icon.
But she's a female character! To say that she is androgynous, just because she does not behave in a stereotypical way? Why should she conform to a gender framework in which she would be fragile and cute? No, she's a woman and she should be proud of it. And to make a man out of her, just because she is strong, independent and cool, is stupid and very sexist
@@lobotomy_girl Dude, Lake is from the mirror dimension, they don't have male/female there, they are just beings that reflect their prime. Lake is literally anatomically non-binary.
This show emotionally impacted me so much, that it impacted my name as well. Lake as a name gives me a sense of a new beginning. It gives me hope and inspiration. To see this character go through so much is just so so uplifting in a sense. And the way they look out into the lake at the end and say their name for the first time is amazing for them. So, hi. I'm River. And this is a beautiful character.
Being trapped as the reflection of the world around you and its rules... that’s the most accurate metaphor about being trans I’ve ever heard. And constantly having to convince those around you that you’re real, that you’re a person... it’s everything.
If rules aren't allowed to flex and adapt to changes in the environment, they become oppressive. If they're too open to change, rules proven reliable through time can be destroyed, and may have to be rebuilt from scratch. We are a part of the world around us, but within its rules we are offered quite a bit of freedom. The metaphorical doors of choice aren't actually open to us if we don't know they're there, so knowledge can be a limitation of freedom. That's what comes to my mind from the first thing you said. I don't understand what you mean by, "constantly trying to convince those around you that you're real, that you're a person."
@@Barbie-gt9lw lake isn't based off of trans people at all. Lake doesn't need to be trans for you to relate to her either. If you relate to a character that isn't trans that's just good writing
@@seinarukishi9228 you know you give 2 informations that dont correlate to the point rigt? you being straight or male isnt the point, your being cis is.
I lowkey love the detail of Lake being like “I’m Lake” instead of something like “Call me Lake” just to show how sure they are of their identity 🥺💕 because I feel like trans peoples identities aren’t taken seriously sometimes sadly
Shit bro I clicked out of curiosity (despite the fact that I've never watched an episode of this show) and stayed just cause I found the characters journey (from the snippets I saw) super compelling. I don't really watch this kind of stuff anymore but I do have a niece who I think would really enjoy this. Dope.
Lake's struggles with mirrors and reflective surfaces during (her/their?) transition seriously made me feel seen. A+ representation, and a perfect name. :)
“Technically I am a ‘criminal,’ but I didn’t do anything wrong!” “Why didn’t we get the same points?” “Everything, and everyone on this train wants me to fail.” “Grace and Simon say you’re not even real!”
As a cis person, I didn't get the coding the first time. Nevertheless, the guy from the flex police who safeguards his existence by serving the system but insists it's not about protecting his authority but maintaining the proper order... that hit hard, and now with this extra context, damn.
Same I'm as dull as a brick when it comes to these things. Didn't even fully realize my own brother was trans until he straight up told me. He even cut his hair short a bit before that, then again he watched this with me and didn't realize he was trans at the time either so....
Bruhh the amount of people getting into arguments over Lake’s pronouns is immaculate Im non-binary, I hc Lake as non-binary because their ‘transition’ from MT to Lake was similar to my own, in that I didn’t like being who I used to be, so I made my own identity on my own terms. Not everything’s gotta be an argument, especially in this fandom. Many different people interpret it in different ways.
@@lauram7929 I dont think their transphobes. People use that word too often, and considering the impact of cancel cultures, I don't think that calling people names is a good thing when you dotn know much of the context of their life. Even if they're transphobes, they can change if they receive the correct treatment.
I wonder, if I were trans, would I realize the hints more easily? Because it took me two seasons and a compilation to get the obvious details ndkwnfownf
Same honestly. The whole "I'm a person!" thing almost made me cry. I identify as bisexual, but I've never questioned my gender and I can't imagine how much of a struggle it must be.
coding characters isn't about their personalty but the stuggles they go through, so when trans people and non binary say lake transcoded / nonbinarycoded it really isnt about her personality but the stuggles she goes through.
@pepper sauce it was said in an interview, it's not my job to educate you, stop being laz hand trasnphobic, I'm literally trans nonbinary, and it literally is, they are clearly uncomfortable being referred to as their dead name and anything feminine or being dressed feminine, listen to trans people, they are trans, stop musgendering them
@@Barbie-gt9lw Lake doesn't like being called a girl, but shows no discomfort with she/her pronouns. I don't think its wrong to use they/them when referring to Lake as it is a gender-neutral pronoun that you can use in place when you don't know someone's preference, but there is no reason to bash on she/her in this case either. Non-binary people come in all sort of flavours and there are definitely some like my friend who prefers she/her, but is still non-binary. And I understand you may be fed up with transphobia, but please stop calling OP transphobic for using the pronouns that are used IN THE SHOW, seriously, there are a lot of people who deserve the label 'transphobe' much more. Sincerely, another trans person.
@@silverish9081 yes they do, they literally do through out the show, I know they do because they do what I do, they literally do not like being called she her.
One of the most significant parts imo about Lake's story being a trans allegory is that their journey didn't end in them leaving the train because the system allowed denizens to get numbers, they ended up leaving the train solely because of a loophole on an individual level that gave them that exit. It parallels with the real world experiences of many trans people: not that they're able to transition because the societal systems in place accept that, but because they're fortunate enough to experience that while many others like them are left without that lucky chance.
@@papasscooperiaworker3649 almost every time a character telling lake who they are . A gendered word is used on them like calling them a “sliver girl “ or when jess calls them them Crome girl
This is pretty on par with the trans experience too though. “You… don’t look right.” Noticeable everywhere you go when you don’t “pass,” especially if you’re NB and don’t even Want to “conventionally” “pass.”
I like to believe this is like the Steven Universe world where magic is just . . . a thing. So you run into a chrome person or a little green alien and just take it in stride. I mean, what do you think Tulip’s friends think when they she has no reflection!
I know everyone is already saying it but Lake is literally the most nonbinary name I can imagine. So wonderful. So relatable. My new favorite character.
I feel like this was a huge missed opportunity for some awesome representation. It's a simplified version of the trans experience, and would have been fairly easy to explain to cis people. "They aren't a girl, because they aren't tulip, they just had to reflect tulip because they were trapped." I really wish Lake was cannonically a trans man or enby.
Damn, didnt realize owen wanted to make lake trans but wasnt allowed to, I think knowing that hurts more... I am non-binary, and it really hurts knowing how transphobic this world still is...
@@silver_dragon128 I know, I'm nonbinary too, and it hurts a lot, but having characters like lake helps normalize our struggles more, it's why I love them as a character
@@kuruminamino3648 wasnt this on cn? the same channel who ran steven universe, with all the gems confirmed nonbinary and ruby and sapphire being an obvious lesbian couple?
this makes me so happy, ive headcanoned lake as trans for the longest time. ever since i watched infinity train. everything about them just SCREAMS trans to me as a trans person like to the point it’s made me uncomfortable seeing people refer to them with she/her pronouns. ik that sounds so stupid cuz the show literally uses she/her for them but still. thank you for this. ive analyzed their lines throughout the show that’s seemed to point at parts of their identity that i think were most coded and im so happy theres an entire compilation of it; their whole arc is literally based off of finding their true self, and i’m not surprised if that had to do with their gender identity as well as just personally who they are as a whole. i think the way infinity train portrayed their identity is so beautiful, especially if you consider that they’re trans. lake literally had to live as this person they never felt right being, and even before being let out of that mirror dimension they knew the identity they were assigned with was wrong. once they got the chance to, they didn’t hesitate on reveling in that freedom they were FINALLY given. i think that explains being trans so well, and i know it will probably never be fully confirmed but i still really hope it was meant to be coded, because wow. im so proud of lake, their character makes me so happy
I think she/they (w/e) got mad cuz he said "*back to the train*, like a *good girl*" not specifically implying the gender, more like telling her WHAT she should do as a reflection, which is give herself to be grinded to dust Please don't take this one out of context, like "he wants to insult her gender"
@@grizelsanchezcamacho7849 so many more people here are so wrong about the jokes and meanings of the sentences in this particular part of the story that I'm literally confused How can SO MANY people be so... Excited about a character to the point they praise every single sentence that character is saying and twist the meanings to fit their needs...
@@siekra8131 because non-binary/trans people get close to 0 representation in media (and when they do, it's *very* bad representation). People here are just very excited about *finally* being able to relate to a character.
@@siekra8131 i get excited when media shows a bisexual man in a good light because representation of us is like, either non existent or really really bad. Same with someone with autism, or even a Jewish character outside of the rugrats. Those who this character fits effects them the same way, if that makes sense.
I'm just now realizing that Lake was actually my big gender awakening moment for me. Like, I was introduced to IT through compilations of fun moments, but Lake stood out to me and made me watch the show, and watching it I didn't really pick up on all of the queer narratives, though I came in knowing it was a queer coded character, but I don't think I truly understood the references and subtext that the story had until I started actively going through that. When I watched the season, It was the tipping point of my questioning, I was going by they/them but I was just starting, but now, in the middle of large moments, dealing with people interacting with me and my own thoughts at this stage, I see myself in lake more and more (haha mirror jokes) and this compilation of all those moments really put it into a perspective for me.
Since so much people asked : the show is infinity train and you can go watch it on HBO max right here : www.hbomax.com/series/urn:hbo:series:GXkNXsArG_o7CZgEAABfH
Owen Dennis (the creator of the show) and his crew really need help so go watch the series !
Thanks for all the views and the comments, I'm glad you're enjoying the video !
Don't forget to read the description, there's more informations about Lake and the theories around her.
Also, don't forget it's all just theories and personnal interpretations, it's not cannon, so keep your transphobic opinions to yourself, thanks.
İf only it was universal and not just us or usa :(
thinking that someone fictional head canon trans its not trans phobic
italy has no HBO any other suggestions?
@@roxee7864 theyre talking about the people who comment stuff like “you can’t just headcanon Lake as Trans/NB!!!”
@@santiagoch872 get your homophobia away from this video, please! on a somewhat related note, don’t take your homophobia to my channel, because I won’t hesitate to delete your hate comments.
Lake describing their "friend" Tulip is so similar to being trans and describing yourself before you realized you were trans as a whole other person, holy shit..... I already knew they were trans-coded, but damn. I can't believe I didn't realize that parallel.
@@joezilla1018 Maybe you can let people see media for how they want to see it and not critique them for meaningless bullshit 😁👍
@@CharlieCat18 how are they critiquing them?
@@joezilla1018 nobody cares what you think tomato boi
@lasyagna i like italian food y’all are definitely overlooking this whole thing she’s not trans, she is tired of being just tulips reflection she wants to be her own person instead of living in tulips shadow, this is not trans messages or themes, I still support trans rights but this is just not about transgender stuff.
@@CharlieCat18 Maybe if you learn proper etiquette that it’s not morally accepted to attack people especially those who just wish to respect the author’s wishes?
"Chrome Girl"
"Not answering to that"
Lmao mood
I know this is a little offbeat from everything else here, but this just feels like you had another Pixar film, wear something that technically isn't sentient to suddenly sentient now, but this time it's your reflection. Now there's apparently a whole like life force behind it, so now you have to feel bad every time you accidentally see your reflection butt naked in the mirror
@molly howell they've been stuck being a person who their not besides this was the first time being themselves so what do you expect?
@molly howell how could they know that when theyve had trauma of never being themselves
Mood
Mood
Lake naming themselves after the first reflective surface they see that finally doesn't equal danger for them is so goddamn meaningful I want to cry
Me too 😭
Everytime I remember I feel so much emotion
YEAH.
thats precious
Im gonna cry
I never thought of it like that, thank you
“I'm not any of the hundreds of names that everyone wants to give me” is the most real and raw line I’ve heard in recent animation
Lake screaming "I am a person" really hurts. The pain in their voice trying to make themselves heard and respected just hits too hard.
as a gender nonconforming person it hits so hard. i have constantly validate myself to people that im not an "it", "abomination", or a freak...im a person. its so hard sometimes. im just trying to find who me is, even if that makes me different.
Samw I felt this
Because you can relate
@@Crybatty i just love how people do this everyone that's slightly different from the "norm"
That made me tear up. Ashley Johnson said the lines so emotionally.
How have I never realized this!? Lake is literally THE stereotypical Enby name
Yeah!
Next to Arson
@@Jrookus and I'm sure Lake has probably committed arson before-
I only remember mt did i miss something
@@x3l4x4n2 what?
OMG... just had the thought. "MT" = Empty. Then, when they name themselves "Lake" you could see that as them no longer being Empty as they're fulfilled. Damn... never caught that the first watch.
It’s also the first reflection they saw that wasn’t dangerous so it’s extra special and meaningful
@@probnotking I love that their name has so much interpretations
I thought MT meant Mirror Tulip-
@@hunter9035 it does lol
Similar parallel:
Ashley Johnson, who voices Tulip and Mirror Tulip, is part of a D&D show called “Critical Role”. In Critical Role’s second campaign, there’s a character named Mollymauk Tealeaf (not played by Ashley Johnson, but her friend and co-star Taliesin Jaffe).
Part of Mollymauk’s story is that he woke up one day with no memory of who he was. Everything inside him was “empty”. And that’s the only word he was able to say for a while. Until he met people who misinterpreted it for “MT”, as his initials. Then he gave himself the name Mollymauk Tealeaf.
Anyway, I’m a big Critical Role fan and I caught that reference, or parallel, when I watched it.
Fun fact: Owen wanted Lake/MT to be openly non-binary (people who go by they/them) but CN said he couldn’t because that would get Infinity Train Cancelled (which they still did so-)
That sounds so bad wtf, like if they didnt considered non binary people as real persons, wait that is the main point of the book :0
YES!!
Quick thing! Non-binary people use a variety of pronouns not only they/them! Although they/them is commonly used by non-binary individuals it's not the only option and isn't always the case!
Also, happy to hear that the creator confirmed that Lake's Non-binary! Wish CN didn't have to be so transphobic.
ironic how people think CN is lgbt friendly when it isn’t. nickelodeon does a way better job and CN is full of shit through and through
Owen wanted lgbtq themes in infinity train but wasn’t allowed so he relied on subtext he deleted the tweet stating that, so yeah it’s confirmed lake is trans/non-binary and Ryan an min are gay we win. :)
I believe the creator even said they wanted to portray a non-binary character, but they weren’t allowed to. I relate to Lake so much, they were definitely meant to be nb.
Why weren't they allowed to?
@@bakercat2108 just shit about like “keeping it family friendly” or something. Same reason why it took so long for gay characters to be allowed in children’s media. I’m not entirely sure tho, so maybe look it up.
@@StrawberryBunnyBoba oh, thanks for replying :)
(And it's so dumb the reason why they weren't allowed to portray a non-binary character :/ )
@@StrawberryBunnyBoba How is being nb "not family friendly"??? The earlier LGBTQ+ gets introduced to children the less homophboic/transphobic people will be, who cares if a few Karens stop watching?
@@featherwhiskerfan629 Exactly. I'd kill to see more non-binary representation in cartoons, seeing someone like me portrayed as just like everyone else is my absolute dream...
Lake is such a great example of writing a trans coded character without making it explicit that they're trans. Their whole struggles with either forcing themself to live their life as someone they aren't, or risk getting hurt is a very real challenge that so many trans people face- as well as them constantly being told that they aren't really a person (akin to misgendering) by those around them.
I think saying she’s transcoded is kinda far fetched (unless it was confirmed or smth). For example, I have abusive parents and I can relate to those things, like being forced to live a life they want being at risk being told nothing I want is real etc. It’s not about me, I’m sure a lot of other people have the same struggles, not only trans. Idk how to phrase it but I’m not here to start a fight, I just can’t understand what specifically indicates that creators hid a message about trans people.
@@ratspew932 Maybe it's one of those things where you can find your own meaning from it. You know, have it relate to your own struggles, whether that be what transgender and non-binary people feel, or what people who've experienced abusive relationships feel, or something else entirely. Personally, I feel like this character is relatable to anyone who struggles to live as who they are, and people who've gone through identity crises.
@@ratspew932
Check the description, there are some things that are relatable there for trans people. But we know is not canon, but it can be interpretated like that.
She's not struggling with any kind of transitioning, she's struggling to obtain her independence, both from the antagonists and from being Tulip's reflection. She just want to be her own person.
@@elgatochurro
(hey whoever is planning on arguing with this guy, please don’t you’re probably gonna just get more annoyed by their existent that you already are)
The fact she wasn't even meant to be out of the mirror dimension and still she got off the train. This is why Lake is one of my fav characters
@Mirror goes by she
@Mirror good on you for realizing, but NB people can go by any pronouns!
@Lebka They arent canonically nb so I'm pretty sure we can call her a girl ty
@Lebka I haven't watched the show, but the way I interpreted it based on the video is maybe that they're transmale without realizing it yet...?
@@krisvelivia Lake could have decided of a new pronoun after she/they came out of the train and decided to have this name, it doesn't sound weird... in the whole show Lake looked like she/they were fine with "she", but we didn't hear any pronoun after getting out of the train
The very obviously trans character yelling “I am a person” at a group of officials who don’t give them a passing glance is too real right now
The spiritual successor to "I am neo"
And One-One's dialogue in the next scene is so good. He's a representation of a system that isn't intentionally malicious but can't accept the possibility of someone wanting anything outside of or beyond the normative expectations of the people in it, resulting in harm upon those that fall outside of it. The logical limitations of the train do not account for the existence of a denizen who doesn't want to remain a denizen because that's just how things are supposed to work. It's only when Lake exploits a loophole in the system that allows for a recognition of their personhood, brought on by a logical contradiction due to unforseen circumstances, are they then granted an exit.
Also, I find it poetic that Lake's main friend/love interest on their journey is Navajo, so the subtext of Jesse going back to assist his trans-coded friend/love interest confront a system not built to accept the humanity of particular individuals is especially compelling, considering the marginalized circumstances of both groups.
I actually lose it every time Lake gets called “Chrome Girl” and responds that that’s not their name and that they’re not answering to that. This is fantastic.
Nice profile :>
@@nagitokomaeda5531 omg two nagitos at once, im blessed
@@mikau1585 lol
@@mikau1585 XD
Omg I thought they were saying homegirl
I know that MT stands for Mirror Tulip, but I can't help but feel that MT = Empty, Idk if it was intentional or not, but i love it.
I always thought it sounded like MT as in male testosterone, which is an important part of the transition process if your trans wtm. Idk maybe it’s just me lol.
@@gegnabean its just you
@@odiseohoosline6504 all the reason
The Big MT
@@demonicheroin8194 that's exactly what I thought
I saw on twitter the main reason Owen (the creator) never confirmed lake being trans/nonbinary is because networks are really iffy about that stuff
I think the best thing about Lakes story is also that they go completely unidentified in that way, trans men, trans women, and nonbinary ppl alike can all identify with this story in their own way and not feel excluded.
I don’t think cartoon network would be against that thought
@@14possumsinatrenchcoat they would, I mean they cancelled that one show cause they confirmed a gay character
@@14possumsinatrenchcoat some supporters of the show definitely would-
@@Bananafood4444 what show?
"But you're not doing neither."
"No, both options are stupid."
That is the most nonbinary thing I've ever heard that isn't "I'm Lake."
NDKWNFOENF Ok this is gold
I am feeling progressively more and more stupid by reading these comments and realizing I hadn't catched any of the hints at a trans representation in this show
Lmao this is so true
YEAH
holy feck i think that quote just made me realize i might be nonbinary
i saw a tumblr post in which the person said their classmate was an enby called "Brick" and that was the most chad thing they ever saw in their life :V
The perfect couple doesn’t involve princes or princesses, sometimes it just consists of a fed up they/them and their himbo golden retriever bf
THIS COMMENT IS PURE GOLD
Omg yes
A "they/them"?.......
@@ecaterina6035 a lot of ppl hc that Lake is non-binary cuz Owen said that he wanted to make an nb character, but cartoon said that they couldn't do it, sadly
Edit: I never said I think all nbs use those pronouns ffs. I was just explaining why that person said "a fed up they/them" and y'all suddenly assumed that I agree with that statment 💀 Ik pronouns ≠ gender, can y'all stop now? Damn
@@mafe7886 yeah I know lol, but can y all PLEASE stop calling non binary people "they/them"what the fuck is that, you don t go around calling women "she/hers". Plus not all non binary people use they/them and not all people who use they/them are non binary
2:15 I like how Tulip stopped before saying “me”, showing she’s respectful of Lake’s identity and choices. It’s kinda like when you’re texting a nb/trans person and you text the wrong pronouns and then correct it before sending it out.
Yeah!
Me: *Inserts Santuary Guardians Theme/What song meme here*
Tulip said trans rights!
she was actually going to say "mirror tulip" but stopped at mirr-
@@TheCollectiveHexagon eh, similar enough. Their comment still works.
When Lake screamed "I am a person" I got the chills....felt that on so many levels
How do you mean?
@@Brandon-1996 a lot of the time us trans folk are treated like we’re not real or people. People call us “it” or “that” and just treat us like monsters. Then there are people who objectify us and sexualize us. It hurts to not be seen as a person. Because were seen as a problem or a topic. That’s the best I could put it based on how I see it. I don’t know how OP feels
@@lunezzzy4606
I can touch on the topic by offering you some of my perspective:
In a world with new tech and old biology, we weren't designed to communicate through text. People are able to say just about whatever they want without consequence, as opposed to in-person, where you to have to look people in the eye to communicate with them.
There's many things to take from that... Young people deserve to know just how harsh, careless, and willfully ignorant people can be, in-person or on the monitor. Regardless, we should also recognize the difference. Not to say you're clueless to that fact. (We should study this stuff in middle school psychology or something, anyway.)
Regardless of whether someone associates your trans perspective with illness, associates it with challenges, or associates in with diversity of opportunity, anyone with any principals can see that whatever it is you're dealing with is not easy, and criticism, generally speaking, ought to be handled with a certain amount of care, if it's worth anything. (I'm sure you're irritated when it isn't.)
Obviously since what you deal with is very rare, (though decreasingly so, I hear,) you could use a hand, and that's the general thing I recommend: Do the best you can with what you have, and ask fo help when you need it. As well, continue to push head-on into different perspectives about trans issues, because no one of us, individuals or groups, has all the answers.
Of all 3 seasons of infinity train. It is my favorite moment, and I believe that it is the best moment in the whole series.
That was the greatest mental breakdown in cartoon history
‘You can keep calling her tulip cause I’m not her anymore’ spoke to me and reminded me of the first time I stood against my transphobic family members.
They would always shout for me saying ‘Billy’ but one time I didn’t come down and when they asked why I said ‘Cause I am Winnie now’ and the look on their face made my day
HELL YEAH WINNIE
OH MY GOD I LOVE YOUR NAME WINNIE (mine's Finn 😅)
You think you're slick
But everything you did was built on the back of another
So fuck you
Today is the first day of the end of your lives
So get down if you don't wanna die
I feel pissed now and you're wondering why
I regret nothing because you're begging to die
I'm about to go postal, taking all of your lives
Dude Winnie is such a pretyy name
Ooh unique name
The magnetic mirror actually made me think of testosterone patches. I don’t know if it was intentional but it’s interesting to think about.
literally same,, theres too much subtext that its pretty much text at this point lol
Tulip literally put it on lake so they could exist- if that isn't a metaphor, then I don't know what is
@@preternatural3231 no you're just reading into it too much
@@tokofukawap4055 hmm yeah no i think u lack critical thinking, no offense 💀 lol it's very obvious
What are testosterone patches?
Jesse reminds me of one of my cisgender friends. He doesn't always GET everything, but tries his best to help and understand
Why dont you just say friend if he is straight?
@@OrlandoTorres267 because they're specifically talking about how they interact with trans people, so the fact that they're cis is relevant
32 - Torres Rivera Orlando Daniel they didn't say her friend was gay? Comenter was saying how her non trans friends support them
What does cis mean? Easy def plz ;-;
@@potatoo1875 identify with the gender they were assigned at birth (not transgender)
"Technically I am a 'criminal', but I didn't do anything wrong"
That line and just the whole fact that Lake is an outcast from the Mirror World because of how they think, how they act and that they want to be more than a reflection is just so fricking relatable to me as a trans person. I love them so much and I don't even watch this show (yet)
This!! I struggle a lot with this feeling. Like no one wants to know the real you, like they want you to be hollow and reflective so they can see only what they want to. Even when you cry and say over and over you are a person, that you just want to be yourself, and all they do is blame you for not being the character they made up to replace you. They ignore and cherry-pick your personality to fit into a reflection and then get so mad when you break it. The only crime I committed was being myself and I’m reminded daily of it. Thank goodness for the people who live unapologetically, they give me hope. Someday I will be a person I can live with, and those people who would say otherwise will be far behind.
@@michaelstaab2872 Do you actually know what relate means?
They relate to the character on a personal level, they aren't saying that they are living and copying the character behavior if that's what you think.
They said:
I relate to her (Lake) because she's treated as bad and dangerous just for who she is and her wanting to live her own life in peace.
That's how a Trans person usually feel when they get attacked or insulted just for being themself and that's what relate means.
They are living their life and find comfort in someone who is experiencing someone similiar.
If they relate to her I can't see why you should care when you don't even understand the word relate.
Since that comment wasn't directed to you you could have easily ignored and continued with your life, who they relate to it's not your problem and they aren't doing anything bad with feeling connected with a character.
@@michaelstaab2872 pov you don’t know a single thing abt dysphoria
@@michaelstaab2872 you don’t know anything about LGBT+ people do you?
In many countries around the world being LGBT+ is illegal, or people can kill/abuse/harass us and not be punished at all so we have to hide who we are at all times. Even in many states in America there’s no protection to LGBT+ students, they can be banned from sports teams or clubs or get bullied by their peers and nobody has to do anything because the law provides zero protections for them.
by that definition every criminal we have, didn't do anything wrong if you think about good or bad a different way
The only thing that surprises me is how they shaved their head perfectly in a second.
What’s even weirder is that from the wide shot, it looks like lake wouldn’t be close enough to the wheel even if they dipped.
My guess is that her head is stronger than the hair
Wonder if her hair works like fiber glass
The first time I saw lake but more when I was so into the book two, I noticed this, she's kinda metaphoric to trans or non binary people
I really have no clue if they intended to create a trans character at the beginning, but later decided, or were forced, to change it. Anyway, I like to think that lake was intended to be trans !
@@kanosalt5128 I felt lake like she was trans
@@kanosalt5128 ?? Well I dint notice any of that. All I tought was thay she was that rebellios girl that can defenetly beat you up
@@kanosalt5128 I mean since they're the opposite of Tulip in character, it makes sense for them to be on the other side of the gender spectrum 👀
“Both options are stupid.” - Lake, on the gender binary.
Omg you are so right, idk how I didn t notice it the first time I watched the show but lake s definetly trans coded
Edit:to the cissies whining under my comment, Lake is canon trans, Owen basically said that he wasn't allowed to say the word "trans" but the character Lake is 100% intended to be a metaphor for trans people, if that hurts your feelings, too bad I guess
I'm so glad that the video helped you see what i saw :,D
I think trans experience is just one of the many things that can relate to be different than someone told you to be.
It can also be about general independence form controlling families or partners, it includes trans experience and also every behavior, every look and every identity you wanna be.
That's what I like about lake so much.
She shows what many people have in common and how tribalism, seperation or being unwilling to learn from eachothers can make you blind and not see that someone right in front of you is going though something you can actually understand and isn't so different than you make them out to be.
@S K no I think its a lot of metaphorical things, I just connected them too
•Lake spent most of her life mirroring Tulip, a person who they didn't want to be but had to mirror because that's what they are *supposed to act*. She only started to become who they actually were once they came out of the mirror(closet)
•Lake was treated like a criminal and denied respect(or human rights) for something she didn't think was wrong
• There were also some scenes that were parallel to trans experiences. The scene where she tells Jessie why she is being hunted down feels like a coming out scene, Jessie asking uncomfortable questions about Lake and her body, people constantly telling Lake that thier not a person because they weren't made as a person, being called slur like words(like sliver and some others that I can't recall), being treated as less than humans when accomplishing the same things as passengers, etc.
@S K I think Owen confirmed it (Non-binairy)
@S K Anything can make anyone transgender
“Do mirrors go to the bathroom”
Omg trans people feel this too much
Freedom=trans
I don't get it
@@krivssa1152 we're often confronted about bathroom issues since most of us are uncomfortable with going in the bathroom designed for the gender they assigned us at birth. trans people dont owe anyone an explanation about it, and it's uncomfortable to ask anything about it to a trans person, its just their own business.
@@chrisbacano3982 wow that sucks, sorry for the people who go through this
I saw it as the equivalent of "how do you have s*x"
"I used to have this friend named Tulip, and we did everything together. But as we grew up, we didn't have much more in common anymore.
But my parents thought Tulip was perfect and wanted me to be exactly like her"
This is- wow.
I don't even watch this show but hearing "I am a PERSON!" Just hurt me inside.
watch this show,, its like rlly good .
Honestly same
@@sinnamaruchch1397 I definitely will if I can
@@anti1training Yep
me too
“Chrome girl?”
“I’m not answering to that”
SUCH A GOOD COMFORT CHARACTER
based and nice pfp pilled
when you realize she answered it
she's not trans, just a punk girl, accept it
@@herobrineapril8451 She did, but in the sense of “I’ll ignore you if you keep calling me that.”
They. Lake may originate from a girl (Tulip), but it's their choice to decide who they are.
Did I just spend my time crying over the fact that they left dracula behind. Yes.
They can be someone else’s companion now😁
Yup
Antelope horse
Isn’t the deer’s name *Alan* Dracula?
They didn't leave him, they just set him free. Alan Dracula is free
HEARING THE WHOLE “I AM A PERSON” BIT WILL NEVER FAIL TO MAKE ME CRY
I binged most of the show yesterday and omg I was bawling over a character I’d only known for a few hours 😭
Lake named themself after the first thing they saw. They’re definitely nb lol
Edit: 5K OF YOU SAW THIS AND WENT “Ah yes. comedy at it’s finest.” IM SCREAMING
anyways, i’ve legit never had this many likes lol
Themself right? Or am I crazy I’ve been staring at “their-self” for 30 minutes now
@@amitariely3816 Oh, whoops lol
How do we know her pronouns are "they" though lol
@@deepfriedspaghetti982 they isn't non-binary, it's gender neutral, as in it doesn't indicate any specific gender, hence using it when you don't know someone's pronouns
@@deepfriedspaghetti982
Yeah, I’m Demiboy and I use multiple pronouns. He/Him and They/Them.
Having pronouns aren’t gendered, it’s how you’d want to be referred as.
Their monologue at 3:55 sounds like they’re EXACTLY describing being trans, with Tulip being them pre-transition.
At 6:36 they look so unenthusiastic to be feminine-presenting
That's what I was thinking! I never really got the trans headcanon before rewatching that clip.
@@WebkinzLiker264 I know!
Who else wants a spinoff were we get to watch lake and jessie just hang out?
Honestly if the rumors of 4 being the last season end up being false I hope sometime in the future we get a "happily ever after" season with one-off episodes for each of the passengers back on Earth
@@heyheyitsjae2475 yea, but season 5 (more like a movie) is probably gonna come out... but can I ramble about a thing I want that I would buy for ANY price?
Same but with Ryan and Min
@@19-holic yea tbh I would prefer that one. Or a full album with an extended train to nowhere
I would love that so much lol
“you’ll stay here and help, you’re so good at it!”
*you should stay as a girl/boy, you look so pretty/handsome*
me at myself 😔 👊
wait ur so right
Basically my family
I like that they choose Lake as their name because it fits as a nonbinary name, but also that's the first time they were able to look at their reflection on a reflective surface without being attacked. Everytime they look in a mirror, water, or a shiny surface the flex come to attack them. The only way they were able to see themselves was by looking at their hand which is where their number is supposed to be. They no longer have to look at the constant reminder that they are stuck, and they don't need to worry about being attacked. They can now look at themselves as who they are. Lake.
Edit: Holy jesus I completely forgot I commented this. I'm glad you all enjoyed my analysis of Lake. This made my day so much better. Happy Pride everybody!!!
Being finally able to look comfortably into a mirror could also be a parallel to transitioning
@@claudiag.9307 OMG I WOULDN'T HAVE NOTICED THAT OTHERWISE
"She", not "they".
@@aabe1189 Lake is coded as trans. Why can't we use they/them pronouns?
@@aabe1189
They works. Lake is a metaphor for a nonbinary person discovering themselves.
“I don’t owe you an explanation”
“It’s not my name I just let you call me that”
The constant deadnaming
“You’re not even real”
Getting uncomfortable every time they’re called or dressed as a girl.
“I know who I am”
“Look at me. I am a person””
“I’m not any of the hundreds of names everyone wants to give me”
@@Em0ji its something only trans people get
@@Em0ji so the creator of the show wanted to do direct representation, but Disney said no. People generally interpret Lake being trans as his indirect representation.
Between the entire name plot being a very typically trans journey, her trying to be a passenger but constantly being labeled as a denizen, being called not real, and OFC getting uncomfortable when having to be feminine or referred to as such
@@zetahurley294 Infinity Train isnt a disney show
@@mechanicalthephantomonial7757 oops yeah I was mixing up shows - my other points still stand tho
Tbf only the cops were called Flecks, so that's less a slur against Lake and others in their position like sliver is and more akin to calling them pigs.
Ummmm this is actually really good 🥺
Kat is a Lake fan, we love to see it
Oh deer ! Kat blaque bellow one of my video what an honor :D
Omg hi Kat 💛💛🤗
I saw you in Loona's 'Why Not?' videoooooo
Kat!!
Did you watch this show? That's awesome!!
i love that "lake being trans" is literally every scene where they appear because it's just who they are ❤
i hate that "lake being trans" is literally a fatherless child who loves joe rogan and shit.
@@gguestiongues I totally could reply explaining how this is such a stupid comment and why you have the IQ of half a burnt grilled cheese sandwich but I saw the words "Joe Rogan" and was immediately reminded of that one sonic shirt. TLDR because I know you have the attention span of a hyperactive goldfish: unfortunately, ADHD.
Lake: *cutting their hair, and piercing their ears, and looking badass as hell*
Me: *god, i wish that were me*
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@@toomanycharacter when you are a teenage trapped with your parents in a pandemic, yes, you can't.
@@toomanycharacter SAME! only that I want to have it long and they force me to cut it, I'm a boy 😔
@@toomanycharacter IKR is so SAD! 🤣
Gages not earings
Her/Their name is literally Lake.
That is the most non-binary name possible lmao.
Edit: I have nothing against calling Lake her, my general headcannon is that they're a she/they enby
Yes, like Ashley Williams, or Morgan Yu, or Dani Rojas
Same energy as R o c k
What about rock
T H E R O C K
Yesss I love nonbinary Lake
My friend James was trans. I wish he would have stayed around long enough to see this show. I think he would have found comfort in it.
I'm so sorry for your loss. Its always sad to hear about someone giving up. I hope you and their family are holding up well.
🫂❤🤝
I have a trans friend and a friend who left this planet. I understand. Sometimes we can’t reach people we care about.
I am so sorry for what you and his family has been through
He died? Or he’s just not with you?
I'm not tulip
I'm not foil
I'm not a reflection
I'm not a sliver
I'm not a nole
I'm not any of the hundreds of names that everyone wants to give me
I'm my own person who's getting off this train!
and whatever gears or reality changing buttons you need to press you're going to do it!
Null not nole
Lake: Something that is reflective but holds its own identity as a body of water.
Omg!!! 🤯
as a trans man i feel more represented by lake than most media with canon trans men. the reading of lake as a trans man/transmasculine nby person makes so much sense, and aligns with my own experiences so well. i love him :>
Another fellow trans man here, I love the representation here and are correlated with how I feel in general situations too ^^ I could take notes in how wonderfully these shows make an area of identities in lgbtq feel our souls represented
Gay
@@CoolGuy-ej1vr yea . i am gay
@@CoolGuy-ej1vr why you stole my name
The Thunder Clark one post above me is the better of the two
They're literally so trans coded
I KNOW RIGHT ?!
They aren't trans coded. How do trans people even act?
@@rigzmoviediaries654 it's a inside joke between us trans people, you wouldn't understand
@@shizaanimations7634 Actually, yes ! Since gender is a social construct, we build our identity around that.
@@rigzmoviediaries654 It's the identity issues, and not identifying with the name ect.. they were given at "birth".
I love how they grimace every time someone calls lake “she” lmao it’s so real
And when Jessie called them "chrome girl". They just went "not answering to that!"
A year late, but this is how I feel a lot lmao
I don’t think she disliked chrome girl because of the girl but the fact that she didn’t make that name and if her whole point is wanting complete control of her life she probably didn’t like that someone decided a name for her I personally think she is still a girl and people just want every character to be trans
"Good luck to you, whoever you turn out to be." That is such a good quote.
Is no one gonna talk about how lake spends their time with a guy named Jesse and their voice actor is the same person who voiced Petra from MSM?
OHHH NO WONDER I RECOGNIZED THE VOICE
What’s MSM?
Minecraft story mode.
Oh I knew I recognized it!
HOLY CRAP I THOUGHT I RECOGNIZED THE VOICE
I felt trans and enby vibes from Lake. Mainly cause them not having a number can equate to not having a gender but the transliness is definitely there.
I always figured the not having a number thing as not being recognized by the system as as valid as a cis person is (in other words, institucional transphobia) and her wrecking all the bots down as literally raging against the CIStem demanding to be respected and have the same rights as any other person. But anyhow since their very first appearance back in season 1 Lake always had like trans/nb tattooed all over her face for me hahaha
You pretty much confirmed it...non binary.
😱
"I AM A _PERSON!!"_
hits so hard when you consider all the queer subtext of lake's character as a whole-- and then the fact that being queer in today's world can make you feel less than human
i love lake so much
Don't worry you have no need to feel less like a person, currently being queer is one of the most celebrated minorities. As demonstrated by most mainstream media sites, and LGBTQ first programs initiated in most fields of higher education.
@@kirareich1776so all the transphobia and queerphobia we suffer magically dissapears because of capitalist celebrations? 😂😂 You're funny.
Lake: *gains independence*
Lake: *immediately rips off sleeves, dons combat boots, pierces their own ears, and gives themself a drastic haircut*
Me: title checks out
I made the- it's 600! I did that!
Oh right
You didn't care..
@@ghostlymeadowz9137 Thanks :)
@@megantaylor2871 yw!!
You are saying this like all girls' default state is long hair, wears only dresses and always wears pretty shoes with heels or smth
@@Mimiro-m2g Oh you misunderstand 😅 I’m a cis woman with a buzzcut and a few piercings. I started wearing tank tops when I came to terms with myself.
Actually my non-binary spouse grew out their hair and started wearing dresses when they came out 😂
I am not here to offend, only to meme
The ironic thing? Season 2 of Infinite Train came out when I started realizing I was non-binary. My favorite character was a trans icon and helped me realize I was trans and I didn't even know it.
That's great to hear!
Ahh great for you !
I love reading that, hope you're doing well!!
@@nubesloc4s Thank you so much! I'm still in the closet about this to a lot of people, but this has been such a good journey for me to go through. I feel like I'm making progress every day. :)
@@scootingscoot4807 People can be other then a girl or boy? There's more gender identities and labels out there to match the spectrum
5:49 really does have such ‘cis person asking inappropriate and intrusive questions about a trans persons body’ energy (also! i love your interpretation of the flecs as a representation of dysphoria! that’s Definitely how i’m gonna view them next time i watch the show! :D)
He's literally asking about going to the bathroom, I don't see how that's a cis only thing but ok
@@runeistaken its an example lol. a kids show isnt gonna have a character be asked smth like "whats in your pants ??"
@@shonybaloney but he was asking if they could go to the bathroom, instead of just pretending/reflecting it, that has nothing to do with asking someone what's in their pants lol
@@runeistaken ok so. like. do you know what coding is? like in terms of characters. this entire video is saying "this character is trans coded". that question reflects- in a more kid friendly manner- an intrusive question that trans people are asked about our bodies. its not exactly it, but it portrays an uncomfortable experience without directly saying its about it.
@@runeistaken A common question for trans people--especially for nonbinary people--is "which bathroom do you use?" (Which is more often than not just a 'nicer,' roundabout way of asking what's in your pants. Still incredibly intrusive and very rude though.)
The reason the question here is just "do you go to the bathroom" most likely stems from the same reason Lake isn't explicitly stated to be trans, but is instead a metaphor for coming out as trans: the network wouldn't have allowed for explicit trans rep of any kind. :/
I *wish* I had the confidence Lake has. Just yelling/ranting when things are unfair or they're being treated in a way they don't like. I mostly just bottle that shiz up. I hate being called a girl but I just don't do anything about it because social anxiety and transphbia.
That’s honestly what makes fiction/stories like theirs are so beautiful, that catharsis the viewer gets out of seeing Lake share so many similar struggles but with the assertiveness/courage that’s challenging - or just often impossible - to exercise in real life, it’s powerful stuff. Considering it might have been motivation for people watching it to come out as trans/nb after seeing Lake push through it, Id say we need a few dozen more shows like this asap 😭❤️ sorry for the rant, I’m just really happy seeing so many people in the comments get so much out of this show, it’s really beautiful
I just want to say
You deserve to be called what you want to be called
If they don't respect your identity, it's their fault and you have all the rights to say "no, don't call me a girl!"
I know nobody asked, but I feel this very much because when people use “she” too much in one sentence to describe me or use “Ms/Mrs” jokingly, it kinda makes me grimace. I’m more used to my name being said (despite barely anyone knowing I’m nb) but it feels so strange. It hurts even more if it’s my own friends, when we’ve gone over this with them at least twice, one lasting an hour and they still haven’t digested it. They’re genuinely good people, I will say, but it just seems they’ve just forgotten and I just don’t want to say anything because I don’t want to get one of my friends in trouble again.
Sorry for the vent lmao
WAIT INFINITY TRAIN WAS ACCEPTED AND MADE INTO A SHOW?!?! NO-ONE FUCKING TOLD ME I KNEW THIS LOOKED FAMILIAR!!!!
ALSO MANRHMANTJSGJDBGKRMGD PERHAPS!!!!
All the seasons are on HBO max if you want to watch it
It has 3 seasons. It's not clear whether they'll be back for a fourth one. You'll understand why after watching the show. But yeah it's a gem.
Yeah, but if you're as hyped about it as I was you may be disappointed. 10 eleven minute episodes for one full story arc forced it to have very rushed pacing. Would have been better if the network allowed them more episodes that are at least 22 minutes
Lmao
Sadly it got cancelled, only three of their 8 books actually got made.
“Do reflections go to the bathroom?”
“OK QUESTION TIME’S OVER 0///0”
yooooooooo wait!!!!! that scaped me hahahahahahhahahah
I figured they did since most bathrooms have a mirror, and they gotta imitate their prime...
@@MsScarletwings oh god
@@MsScarletwings There's no mirror in the stalls though.
@@blara2401 water.
I never actually saw It that way! If this was there intention Lake is such an amazing way to represent trans people and what they face omg
Yes
Why is it conditional on whether it was intentional?
@@bialynia ?
@@twist_ending7545 They said, "if this was their intention Lake is a great way to represent trans people". I'm just not sure why it's so important if it was intentional. I'm not questioning as in disagreeing, I'm genuinely wondering.
5:48 I picked up on Lake being trans pretty quick, but completely missed the implications of this joke until now
OH MY GOD JSKSKSKSKSKSKSKSK
i dont get it😊
i did not mean to use that emoji.
@@deeji6098 as someone ask of invasive questions it’s just disturb me how those kind of people casually ask sensitive questions
They are Non-Binary, you can't change my mind
What is non-beannie ? 🤨🤯
@@kanosalt5128 non-beannie is someone who doesn't identify as a pinto bean or a lima bean
@@katinchworm Lake is a baked bean
Until they say they’re non-binary any interpretation is valid
@@Perrier_enjoyer
Honestly true.
Thinking about how One-One as the final obstacle in Book 2 is a metaphor for an indifferent bureaucracy that, while not actively malicious, keeps trans people from transitioning, accessing hormone therapy, changing their legal names, and having their identities be recognized.
That harms your boddy is bad.
@@FumanyuX what harms your bod? If your talking about tranistioning then get out
@mocha artist that's just sick.
@@FumanyuX and how exactly is transitioning bad? Give me actual proven facts to back up that statement, not just your wrong opinion.
Omgg yes
The parallel between "you have a number soo you can exit but you are a denizen soo you cant exit" and "you are like your preferred gender in soo many ways soo you should be treated like it but you are a different sex soo i should treat you like that sex and completely ignore your identity from a legal perspective"
Also can i add , "how should we treat trans people" argument is completely devoid of nuance which was really highlighted in the shows analogy
The fact that they get so mf fed up being called “chrome-girl” absolutely SCREAMS they/them to me. Like I seriously don’t understand how you can watch this show and witness the fact that when people belittle Lake, they use gendered language, and still be like “Oh that’s just a badass femme character!” No baby, that’s an androgynous icon.
But she's a female character! To say that she is androgynous, just because she does not behave in a stereotypical way? Why should she conform to a gender framework in which she would be fragile and cute? No, she's a woman and she should be proud of it. And to make a man out of her, just because she is strong, independent and cool, is stupid and very sexist
Yes too goos
@@lobotomy_girl Dude, Lake is from the mirror dimension, they don't have male/female there, they are just beings that reflect their prime. Lake is literally anatomically non-binary.
@@TigerFucker There is no such thing as non-binary. And Lake is a reflection of the girl, so she is also a girl
@@lobotomy_girl the creator literally wanted to make them nonbinary stfu 😂
This show emotionally impacted me so much, that it impacted my name as well.
Lake as a name gives me a sense of a new beginning. It gives me hope and inspiration. To see this character go through so much is just so so uplifting in a sense. And the way they look out into the lake at the end and say their name for the first time is amazing for them.
So, hi. I'm River. And this is a beautiful character.
Aww I’m glad this show inspired you and you found yourself :)
Hi, river! I’m Renae. It’s nice to meet you. I think lake is an amazing character and I love how cool they are.
That’s amazing.
River is such a cool name
Being trapped as the reflection of the world around you and its rules... that’s the most accurate metaphor about being trans I’ve ever heard. And constantly having to convince those around you that you’re real, that you’re a person... it’s everything.
If rules aren't allowed to flex and adapt to changes in the environment, they become oppressive. If they're too open to change, rules proven reliable through time can be destroyed, and may have to be rebuilt from scratch.
We are a part of the world around us, but within its rules we are offered quite a bit of freedom. The metaphorical doors of choice aren't actually open to us if we don't know they're there, so knowledge can be a limitation of freedom.
That's what comes to my mind from the first thing you said. I don't understand what you mean by, "constantly trying to convince those around you that you're real, that you're a person."
“You can’t go around giving names to people without asking” by names they mean pronouns...that’s literally one of the biggest parallels in this video
They mean both of those, names and pronouns. In my opinion atleast
@@bfrmr people don't really try to give trans people names, they try to dead name them but that's not giving them a name, they mean pronouns
No she meant names not pronouns.
@@Barbie-gt9lw lake isn't based off of trans people at all.
Lake doesn't need to be trans for you to relate to her either.
If you relate to a character that isn't trans that's just good writing
@@tokofukawap4055 yes they literally are owen confirmed that they are, stop being fucking transphobic
5:43 "That's not my name, I'm just letting you call me that" has HUGE "not completely out, but you're still deadnaming me" energy
their name is seriously _Lake_
as a non-binary person myself that is honestly the most enby thing ever
I LOVE YOUR PROFILE PICTURE
Is that big q
YEAH
Everyone is talking about the profile picture
I’m gonna eat cheese
BIG Q
Shaving off all your hair, diy piercings, the ripped off sleeves, and the eyebrow cut? Was there even a question in anyone’s mind
Trans mt
Im a straight male and did all of this in the military lmao
Mor like bi
@@seinarukishi9228 you know you give 2 informations that dont correlate to the point rigt? you being straight or male isnt the point, your being cis is.
@@danielsantos-wh2op I don’t care, not playing this game.
I lowkey love the detail of Lake being like “I’m Lake” instead of something like “Call me Lake” just to show how sure they are of their identity 🥺💕 because I feel like trans peoples identities aren’t taken seriously sometimes sadly
Lake and Jessie’s friendship is too adorable for me- and actually acts like a real friendship a bit
WAIT THEY LEFT DRACULA-
Shit bro I clicked out of curiosity (despite the fact that I've never watched an episode of this show) and stayed just cause I found the characters journey (from the snippets I saw) super compelling. I don't really watch this kind of stuff anymore but I do have a niece who I think would really enjoy this. Dope.
Give it a try, infinity train is a very mature, emotionally deep and philosophic cartoon
Season 3 might be a bit much for a child.
same
Lake's struggles with mirrors and reflective surfaces during (her/their?) transition seriously made me feel seen. A+ representation, and a perfect name. :)
Even better if you consider that the way they exited was with the ''Lake's paradox''
@@signodeinterrogacion8361 can you elaborate? I can't find a lake's paradox on google. Or is it something you named?
As an nb person thanks for not just assuming pronouns lol, making it feel like people think all nb people use they/them
oh god i just realized that :o, i avoid mirrors (and any reflective thing in general) since it makes me look at my body
Their* and same it helps me feel so vaild
“Technically I am a ‘criminal,’ but I didn’t do anything wrong!”
“Why didn’t we get the same points?”
“Everything, and everyone on this train wants me to fail.”
“Grace and Simon say you’re not even real!”
The name Lake is such a brilliant choice. Where we see a reflection, there is so much below the surface.
“I’m gonna touch a tree or like smell something.” One of the most enby things ever.
As a cis person, I didn't get the coding the first time. Nevertheless, the guy from the flex police who safeguards his existence by serving the system but insists it's not about protecting his authority but maintaining the proper order... that hit hard, and now with this extra context, damn.
Same I'm as dull as a brick when it comes to these things. Didn't even fully realize my own brother was trans until he straight up told me. He even cut his hair short a bit before that, then again he watched this with me and didn't realize he was trans at the time either so....
"good luck to you, whoever you turn out to be" 2:18
that is,, such a great line, i love that
Bruhh the amount of people getting into arguments over Lake’s pronouns is immaculate
Im non-binary, I hc Lake as non-binary because their ‘transition’ from MT to Lake was similar to my own, in that I didn’t like being who I used to be, so I made my own identity on my own terms.
Not everything’s gotta be an argument, especially in this fandom. Many different people interpret it in different ways.
Also, like
nonbinary people can still use pronouns like he/him and she/her if they want. Which is why I headcanon Lake's pronouns as she/they.
They were supposed to be non-binary
"do reflections go to the bathroom?" HMM WHERE HAVE I HEARD THAT ONE BEFORE
"I'm not answering to that"
*me being deadnamed*
They seem like a pretty strong metaphor for transness
Fun fact:
Trans ness isn’t a word
@@LycanMOON
If trans can make their own names up, why not words?
Why is that so offensive?
@@LycanMOON the word "chair" wasn't a word until shakespear needed something to work with his rhyme scheme
Why the transphobes commenting here so pressed about diy conjunctions. Smh live your life and word as you please
@@lauram7929
I dont think their transphobes.
People use that word too often, and considering the impact of cancel cultures, I don't think that calling people names is a good thing when you dotn know much of the context of their life.
Even if they're transphobes, they can change if they receive the correct treatment.
The voz actress of lake does their voice so good that I completely forgot that she is also tulip, she plays those 2 characters differently so well
In cisgender... but this is so moving... im about to cry
Im so happy they could get out of the train
I wonder, if I were trans, would I realize the hints more easily? Because it took me two seasons and a compilation to get the obvious details ndkwnfownf
Same honestly. The whole "I'm a person!" thing almost made me cry. I identify as bisexual, but I've never questioned my gender and I can't imagine how much of a struggle it must be.
coding characters isn't about their personalty but the stuggles they go through, so when trans people and non binary say lake transcoded / nonbinarycoded it really isnt about her personality but the stuggles she goes through.
Their* they*
@pepper sauce it's been confirmed that they are nb trans, and they are clearly uncomfortable with being called she and her, stop being transphobic
@pepper sauce it was said in an interview, it's not my job to educate you, stop being laz hand trasnphobic, I'm literally trans nonbinary, and it literally is, they are clearly uncomfortable being referred to as their dead name and anything feminine or being dressed feminine, listen to trans people, they are trans, stop musgendering them
@@Barbie-gt9lw Lake doesn't like being called a girl, but shows no discomfort with she/her pronouns. I don't think its wrong to use they/them when referring to Lake as it is a gender-neutral pronoun that you can use in place when you don't know someone's preference, but there is no reason to bash on she/her in this case either. Non-binary people come in all sort of flavours and there are definitely some like my friend who prefers she/her, but is still non-binary.
And I understand you may be fed up with transphobia, but please stop calling OP transphobic for using the pronouns that are used IN THE SHOW, seriously, there are a lot of people who deserve the label 'transphobe' much more. Sincerely, another trans person.
@@silverish9081 yes they do, they literally do through out the show, I know they do because they do what I do, they literally do not like being called she her.
Oh dang lake is my comfort character huh
same
And Jessie is best boi
One of the most significant parts imo about Lake's story being a trans allegory is that their journey didn't end in them leaving the train because the system allowed denizens to get numbers, they ended up leaving the train solely because of a loophole on an individual level that gave them that exit. It parallels with the real world experiences of many trans people: not that they're able to transition because the societal systems in place accept that, but because they're fortunate enough to experience that while many others like them are left without that lucky chance.
Jesus, i didn't know that this serie existed-
Your username just makes it really funny-
@@eruanimations3609 Yeah
Same
@@jesuschrist8833 Jesus????
Ikr, also mcyt fandom pog
The fact that most of the time Lake is belittled gendered language is used-
Wait what
@@papasscooperiaworker3649 almost every time a character telling lake who they are . A gendered word is used on them like calling them a “sliver girl “ or when jess calls them them Crome girl
@@razminfox1787 As a transmasc that really stood out to me too. Those are also almost always the moments that get the most reaction out of them, too!
I noticed that too! They always had a strong reaction when called a girl by Mace
Whenever I see a comment that had more than 40 replies I automatically assume that a war was started there
Yeah that’s just a fact at this point
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Yes.
Pretty much
Bazinga
Still curious how they’d live on earth without anyone being like “so uh, you’re living metal?”
I’m still wondering how Jesse got back on the train
@@PartnershipsForYou he had a problem that would effect the rest of this life. Lake was still on the train. So it came back to get him
This is pretty on par with the trans experience too though. “You… don’t look right.” Noticeable everywhere you go when you don’t “pass,” especially if you’re NB and don’t even Want to “conventionally” “pass.”
I like to believe this is like the Steven Universe world where magic is just . . . a thing. So you run into a chrome person or a little green alien and just take it in stride.
I mean, what do you think Tulip’s friends think when they she has no reflection!
Maybe she is going to paint herself
I know everyone is already saying it but Lake is literally the most nonbinary name I can imagine. So wonderful. So relatable. My new favorite character.
I feel like this was a huge missed opportunity for some awesome representation. It's a simplified version of the trans experience, and would have been fairly easy to explain to cis people. "They aren't a girl, because they aren't tulip, they just had to reflect tulip because they were trapped." I really wish Lake was cannonically a trans man or enby.
Owen wanted her to be, but cn wouldn’t let him
They and the creator wanted them to be, just use they them for lake
Damn, didnt realize owen wanted to make lake trans but wasnt allowed to, I think knowing that hurts more... I am non-binary, and it really hurts knowing how transphobic this world still is...
@@silver_dragon128 I know, I'm nonbinary too, and it hurts a lot, but having characters like lake helps normalize our struggles more, it's why I love them as a character
@M I L K owen confirmed that lake is a trans envy character
I headcanon lake as Non-binary it just fits them so well
They were supposed to be trans/enby, but the network said no
@@dusknightwings7821 oh really that’s so cool, it sucks that the network said no
@@dusknightwings7821 WHAT!!!!!!!!😡😡😡🤬😡 may I have a link to something confirming this? /nm
@@machinegirI you shouldn't need proof, its something that networks do all the time because they think stuff like that will "hurt their image"
@@kuruminamino3648 wasnt this on cn? the same channel who ran steven universe, with all the gems confirmed nonbinary and ruby and sapphire being an obvious lesbian couple?
3:00 It's so cute how they're a tiny bit freaked out at receiving affection for the first time.
this makes me so happy, ive headcanoned lake as trans for the longest time. ever since i watched infinity train. everything about them just SCREAMS trans to me as a trans person like to the point it’s made me uncomfortable seeing people refer to them with she/her pronouns. ik that sounds so stupid cuz the show literally uses she/her for them but still. thank you for this. ive analyzed their lines throughout the show that’s seemed to point at parts of their identity that i think were most coded and im so happy theres an entire compilation of it; their whole arc is literally based off of finding their true self, and i’m not surprised if that had to do with their gender identity as well as just personally who they are as a whole. i think the way infinity train portrayed their identity is so beautiful, especially if you consider that they’re trans. lake literally had to live as this person they never felt right being, and even before being let out of that mirror dimension they knew the identity they were assigned with was wrong. once they got the chance to, they didn’t hesitate on reveling in that freedom they were FINALLY given. i think that explains being trans so well, and i know it will probably never be fully confirmed but i still really hope it was meant to be coded, because wow. im so proud of lake, their character makes me so happy
I actually picked up on the fact they get unhappy ever time they get referred to as a girl or with feminine pronouns, they're definitely transmasc
9:34 Lake getting mad when he called them a girl is so relatable
I think she/they (w/e) got mad cuz he said "*back to the train*, like a *good girl*" not specifically implying the gender, more like telling her WHAT she should do as a reflection, which is give herself to be grinded to dust
Please don't take this one out of context, like "he wants to insult her gender"
@@siekra8131 Thanks! Someone who understood
@@grizelsanchezcamacho7849 so many more people here are so wrong about the jokes and meanings of the sentences in this particular part of the story that I'm literally confused
How can SO MANY people be so... Excited about a character to the point they praise every single sentence that character is saying and twist the meanings to fit their needs...
@@siekra8131 because non-binary/trans people get close to 0 representation in media (and when they do, it's *very* bad representation). People here are just very excited about *finally* being able to relate to a character.
@@siekra8131 i get excited when media shows a bisexual man in a good light because representation of us is like, either non existent or really really bad. Same with someone with autism, or even a Jewish character outside of the rugrats.
Those who this character fits effects them the same way, if that makes sense.
The fact that Lake's Actress also does Petra from Minecraft: Story Mode is astounding, like their actress is SO damn Talented
i was watching that w/ my ex and i heard petras voice and i swear i lost my mind at that-
WHAT SO THATS WHY THEY SOUND SO FAMILIAR
they also do tera from teen titans and i spent almost an hour trying to figure their voice out 😭
@@sticks1090 AYO ? ! ? ! Ya learn somethin new everyday it seems /Pos
She’s also Ellie from The Last of Us?? Her range is just unreal
I'm just now realizing that Lake was actually my big gender awakening moment for me. Like, I was introduced to IT through compilations of fun moments, but Lake stood out to me and made me watch the show, and watching it I didn't really pick up on all of the queer narratives, though I came in knowing it was a queer coded character, but I don't think I truly understood the references and subtext that the story had until I started actively going through that.
When I watched the season, It was the tipping point of my questioning, I was going by they/them but I was just starting, but now, in the middle of large moments, dealing with people interacting with me and my own thoughts at this stage, I see myself in lake more and more (haha mirror jokes) and this compilation of all those moments really put it into a perspective for me.