I've got several of these little diesel engines and I love them. I experimented with running them on vegetable oil but I discovered that leaving them to sit after running on veggie oil virtually guaranteed gummed up injectors. It's best to run some straight diesel through the engine if you plan on letting it sit for any length of time.
@@Engrave.Danger -- As far as I'm concerned, it's not worth running vegetable oil in small diesel engines. Way too messy and too prone to gumming up the injectors.
@@CableWrestler for high integrity circuits it would depend on the inverter I would use. As for critical tasks. If I had critical tasks I would buy a military surplus unit thats severely underated.
@@austin_does_stuff theoretically you should get about 30% more runtime or 30% more kw/h with diesel. Considering 20% and 30% engine efficiency of gasoline and diesel.
For long life of the engine i recommend to use one of the bellow methods: 1. Using a mix of 80% WMO and 20% gasoline to thin in out for easier cold starting and low smoke. 2. 2 tank sistem Original tank with diesel for starting and flushing the sistem before shuting down. Second tank will be heated from exhaust mufler and will be with WMO. And a 3 way valve to switch from one tank to the other.
@@fhuber7507gas doesn't burn hotter then diesel nor does it burn hotter then wmo I'm not sure where ur coming up w this idea, diesel actually burns much hotter then gasoline in a combustion engine
Two tanks is the clever way to go. BUT!!! 1. The waste oil tank shall be NOT heated by the muffler but with the cooling air, FOR SAFETY REASONS. Remember the engine is air-cooled so the heat is for free. 2. Once the engine is started, and the waste oil is reasonably warm, you can burn basically anything, like unrefined rapeseed oil or wate oil from McDonald's kitchen.
In Afghanistan I saw a guy with a watercooled China diesel. He had it hooked up to what looked like a truck alternator with a couple of wielding leads. They had a half 55 gallon drum with a pick up at the bottom and the return just poured back into the barrel. The whole contraption was mounted on a 4 wheeled trailer and dragged around with a tiny pickup. He didn't have a wielding helmet but he did have a dark piece of glass he would hold in one hand and the rod in the other!
Recycling waste oil to fuel a diesel is a fantastic idea. I ran my diesel skoolie conversion on WVO (waste vegetable oil) sometimes WMO, I’d great results and logged thousands of miles. def recommend
The smoke is generally proportional to load, but even pure diesel will smoke at full tilt. I have run engine oil as well, but it can be quite difficult to start when cold, a simple fix is to add a tablespoon of petrol to a tankful of oil fuel, although don't mix it in bulk as the petrol loses it's ignition boost effect over time once mixed. You also need the petrol mix to be at the injector for starting, so it needs running through first. I also use waste hydraulic oil more frequently now, it is much cleaner to handle, has less soot in it and has less (or no) flash point suppressors than motor oil, so it starts easier as well. I get it from a heavy machinery service agent, they do drum swaps for free. Great video anyway, thanks.
I've been running waste oils in my 12 valve Cummins. That makes me feel better as I just got my hands on 20 gallons of used hydraulic oil. It definitely looks cleaner. My go-to is used ATF because waste engine oil is just dirty as hell, where the ATF is very clean even before you filter it.
@@Bloodbain88The trouble with hydraulic oil as fuel (and to a lesser extent ATF) is that it has a lot of anti-friction additives in it that don't burn and cause a gritty soot in the cylinder.....waste engine oil doesn't have these additives and the black carbon in it doesn't cause gritty ash......i had a waste oil boiler i built ua-cam.com/video/kh8E_dAM3Yo/v-deo.html and a week firing on hydraulic oil and it needed cleaned out.....i could go months on waste engine oil
Having a small diesel tank off to the side for starting the engine maybe a good idea especially if it’s cold out. Once the engine starts switch a valve to allow the motor oil to flow while shutting off the pure diesel. A Y valve.
I was also thinking about using a blowtorch to heat the cylinder head for 10 seconds before starting to see if that would make it easier. When its cold it takes about 4-6 pulls to start it on WMO. DIesel only takes one pull
I run my '83 Mercedes 300TD on used oil, but find it runs much nicer on a blend of 75% used motor oil and 25% used ATF to thin it. Even at 28F it glowplug starts instantly. My '88 6.2l Detroit Diesel powered Chevy stepvan also runs fine on the blend. A genuine oak West Marine canoe paddle is the instrument for blending...😁
I had a '86 300SD I ran on wmo and watf, was a great can and never paid for fuel when I had it. I did end up going through a few sets of glowplugs from trouble starting on pure wmo. The om617 loved the WATF tho
@@austin_does_stuff I was fed up with the awful glowplug timers so used a 350A universal starter relay and a horn button to make glowing manual. Problem solved!
@@Jack-tx2ve If the idiots would quit taking off the ALDA or screwing around with its settings, there is no black smoke or carbon buildup in the 41 years mine has run without disassembly. OM617 isn't a hot rod.
I have an old Belarus AS250 farm tractor. I only pushed the oil thru a T shirt to filter the used oil for it. In the heat of summers , it has zero issues. In winter , I add 20% gasoline so it'll crank on cold mornings. Also have a couple 6.9 liter Ford trucks. We made a homemade centrifuge to filter the used oil for those old engines. The 6.9's run a little stronger with 10-20% gasoline added to the oil, but still run fine.on straight oil.
I would have added the used oil to regular diesel fuel - small parts at first, then increasing the percentage with testing. (This was the intended path for foundry furnace fuel…)
@@martinandersson5278its related fella, usually on these things the oil level can raise due to diesel contamination so i can bet this oil was a bit diluited with diesel. Modern diesel's are built like that
smoke alarm chirp at 0:19, 3:11, 3:37, 3:44, 4:25, 6:13, You should replace that for safety and also so you don't get associated with a certain type of people who can't hear smoke alarm chirps.
Diesel engines do not give a shit what you put in them. They will run on it. And as long as it is a heavy, flammable oil, rather than a light aromatic, they will run WELL on it. They like motor oil so much, in fact, that turbodiesels will happily destroy themselves if the turbocharger seals let go and allow the engine's own lubricant to get into the intake tract.
So your saying so long as i filter the oils a little engine like this will run on it? Mix used filtered vegetable, conola, engine, atf and itll work? What about things like grease i.e. automotive, or even bacon, and can you even turn those into a viscous liquid and it keep that form instead of re hardening?
@@rs-nk8cf An engine like this, and pretty much any on road diesel before like 1995 or so is gonna be indirect injection, those will run on just about anything. It still has a pressurized fuel system of course but not as much finicky tight tolerance hardware in the fuel system as a newer CR mill
@@MrBradshawbenjamin Never flip a backwards fuel filter, anything it did catch is going straight to the jets/injectors. Always replace instead, they are super cheap anyways.
I ran a single cylinder diesel powered water pump on waste oil for many months. It was difficult to start on straight oil, so mix it with some diesel. The biggest problem I had was the injector would coke up really bad. I suppose it is all the additives in the oil that build up. Once the injector was coked up, it make it very difficult to start and it's performance was very lacking.
As a diesel mechanic, and having a dad that worked for Volkswagen for over 40 years, specializing in diesel Volkswagens, first of all running the wrong oil in that TDI, it should be 5W 30 or 5W 40 specific diesel oil with a 505.xX rating. Second just because it’s a Chinese Diesel doesn’t mean the clearances are any different in the fuel injection part of it, it has to have pretty specific and tight clearances in order for the fuel to be injected properly. It’s just amazing that people can get a UA-cam channel and have a good video editing and all the sudden become the guru. When I actually have diplomas and ASE testing diplomas proving that, I know what I’m doing.. these channels and come into my shop and want me to do things that they see on UA-cam, it is frustrating as hell.
@@Codyjrt it just makes the public even more stupid. Because then they come in my shop and they say “I saw on UA-cam that I can run this cheaper oil in my car” and when you show them the factory manual says that you can’t or you’re not supposed to they argue with you that’s some dumb ass on UA-cam does it in his car and he doesn’t have any problems. To each their own but it’s getting out of hand with all these UA-cam certified mechanics giving the wrong advice to the dumbass general public that eats that shit up and believes it.
@@chrissuessle Eu entendo a sua fustracao , mas não estamos a falar de motores modernos com bombas injetoras de 2050 bar de pressão. Motores antigos que se avariarem não há problema, podem ser sujeitos a este tipo de utilização . Eu tenho um 1.9 TDI e só utilizo diesel. No entanto tenho uma Nissan PIC UP de 1988 que gasta tudo o que lhe meto para queimar. Assim como gerador Lister de 1966 de 10 KVA que queima óleos de motor e até de cozinha , há mais de trinta anos. Os motores modernos não devem ser sujeitos a este tipo de experiências.👍👍👍👍
The problem running a diesel on motor oil are the inorganic (SAPS) additives in the motor oil. Ashes from the additives will clog the combustion chamber, valves, exhaust channel and exhaust. My motorcycle engine burned roughly 15 Liters of 10W40 over a distance of 30k km which coked the exhaust side terribly. Since the opposite cylinder didn't use that much oil, it was much cleaner.
Oil is how you get a run away diesel. The seals in the super charger give way and the engine runs ungoverned on oil from the super charger. It’ll either run out of oil or blow itself to smitheriens.
I’ve got a plan (more of a possible experiment, really) to use this with plastic pyrolysis oil . I don’t expect it to run for long before breakdown or maintenance. But it could be a sweet “proof of concept” to see if I can make a self contained unit to use the plastic that’s currently getting rejected by the recycling streams worldwide.
If you haven't check out a centrifugal wmo filter, they are pretty neat, and can filter quite a bit before needing cleaning them self've. Personally I would suggest filtering down further say at least 20 microns the reason is the largest particles are hard to burn, and will carbon up the engine over time. Get them down as fine as possible and mechanically it will last longer before needing maintenance, you could also add a bit of new auto trans fluid in directly with the wmo,to be filtered say a half a quart to a quart a gallon this will clean the combustion chamber pretty good
Filter the used motor oil first, to get rid of sediments and particulates. Then dilute the oil with some kerosene to the constituency of diesel. It then works very well as a diesel substitute.
That's what I was thinking, if you mix the used motor oil with something. I wonder if it would run on used hydraulic oil. I have a bunch of that from my tractor.
@@MikeOrazzi Yes it will run. It burns better as well. Also a bottle of that cheap white spirit is always handy to have around in cold weather - just a tiny splash does wonders!
if you place that bucket of oil high ,place a length of the old sisal/hemp rope in to it and the other end into a clean bucket and leave ,over time the oil will migrate to the lower container clean and no deposits and garbage ,was done in the old days to recycle oil becomes a lower grade but clean usable oil times were tight and need to recycle all that could be usually was reused in engine but in your case you would have CLEAN fuel,remember it takes time to filter down ,and you can dispose of the left behind sludge
Mine is new smokes a lot more than yours. I’m thinking about trying this now for fun, looks like you’re had no bad events from running on waste motor oil.
I have an old Pettter AC1 diesel I did the same experiments with years ago. Running straight used oil at load for extended times will eventually start to coke up or gum up the injector or injection pump system requiring somewhat detailed disassembly and clean out. However, using about a 20 -25% blend of E85 mixed in with the used oil and doing 10-micron prefiltering seems to solve that problem plus made cold starts better.
I run WMO (black gold) in my OLD 1989 7.3.. 100 microns is nowhere near enough filtration. I suggest obtaining a 0.5 micron polyester filter bag to pour that oil through. That's right, one half of one micron, the injection pump will thank you by having a long life..
There is a reason that Cat diesel engines traditionally have "Buy clean fuel keep it clean" on the fuel caps. Nothing but trouble can be had by running the wrong fuel in an internal combustion engine.
filtering to 100 micron doesn't do much. A fuel or an oil filter usually does 10 micron. 10inch water filters are available down to 0.001Micron. I used 0.2 Micron and 1 and 0.5 Micron as a pre filtering stage. Still centrifuge and settling is better. Also for smoke. A common-rail system so far ran the best on alternative fuels.
This is super fucking interesting for prep stuff especially with it attached to a generator head. If you needed ONE GENERATOR that can run your water pump this would be interesting. You'd probably need a 240 generator head but that's fine.
If you could have something like a fuel system that adds a tiny amount of the sump oil to normal diesel, and perhaps an oil reservoir that keeps the sump level right, you would probably encounter zero problems with cold-starting and coking-up, and the engine would change and dispose of it's own oil, so you'd only have to change the filter (if indeed these things have filters). Probably doesn't exist for good reasons, but it's a good thing to try.
@@jerbear7952 No, worn diesels smoke because the oil they are losing trickles into the combustion chamber from worn seals and does not burn properly. It will burn well if it's mixed with fuel and injected.
Ive been wanting to build a generator with this engine. Not sure on how big of a pulley to get the generator head spinning at 3600. Its on a "to try list" of mine. If it can run a decent size generator, I'd like to create a diesel/electric golf cart with it.
5,00watts is going to require 10 hp minimum. You can just mimic the watts/hp ratio on existing gas generators, Getting the correct rpms will be critical as well.
It works - for a while. Runs and starts better if the oil is thinned with about 20% kerosene. But the soot, junk and additives in the oil will coke up the injector pretty soon. Waste hydraulic oil works better.
I had a 10 HP version that I ran on 100% Used Veggie oil (I collected from an Arby's Fast Food joint) for about 5 years. It ran like a charm ! Never had any problems with it at all. 5 years later it blew a Head Gasket. Simple inexpensive fix ! Liked/Subscribed ! *FJB*
You need to run the waste oil through a centrifuge to remove fine particulate. These particulates will eat your injector and is hard on the engine if not removed.
I've been considering picking up a few of these to tinker with on the channel. If you end up going through with your setup for a generator, I'd suggest getting some finer bag filters for the sake of longevity. Also, is there any way to adjust injection timing on these engines? It would help the smoke a bit. I do quite a bit with black diesel on the channel so I'm interested to see your progress with it. Good luck bud!
I use a bucket top screen followed by a magnet and a remote oil filter for my waste oil heater, though now that you mention it, I could fit a bag in there as well.
@Engrave.Danger bag filters are the cheapest alternative that works well. I've done some testing on them, and they're far better than most spin on filters you can get.
I have just been dumping wmo directly into fuel tank of my 96 7.3 and a ford 1520 to run a PTO generator. Surprisingly the 7.3 runs better (even in cold) than the 1520.
Used to run my boat engine like this in the UK - till the government made it illegal. You can still do it, but you have to have a very expensive licence. I would generally ignore this kind of over regulation, but because of it, my waste oil suppliers are no longer happy to let me have it. Oil from oil changes always goes back into the fuel tank.
Every old diesel can be run with WMO just need to be a engine without cpu and electronics... Must be pure diesel :D but that 'fuel' creates problem for the engine if its not filtrated and mixed with diesel :)) and in cold weather its hard to start the engine
Heat the old oil. Let it settle out for a couple of days. Run the oil through a good filter. (or you are asking to destroy the injector) Mix 75% diesel, 25% used oil. It will run fine. in warm weather. It might be too thick for starting in cold weather.
you should try to assemble a motorized bike build with the waste motor oil, should be simple and cheap enough; with a good bike frame and some fat tires it could make a janky offroad build with that extra diesel torque.
Using old cooking oil is cool but i think you have to put a small amount of white spirit / turps into the oil for reliability. Thats what they did on Top Gear.
Was ne sauerei alter. Muss ja kein Labor Standart sein, aber so hab ich mit 15 an meinen Moped's geschraubt.. die Idee ist natürlich cool und nun darfst du mich übersetzen... Cooler Kanal...
I drive diesel trucks for a living and use to run old Detroit 2 stroke engines and ever time I changed oil I dumped the waste oil in the fuel tanks and burned it.
Guys! you need add petrol 10:2 two litre petrol on 10 l oil.. And when you are using rapeseeds oil then is 10 l rapeseeds oil 10 diesel 4 l petrol and 300 ml.l two stroke oil.. .. then costs of bio diesel is 70 80 p per litre . Than 1.60£ per diesel. It works good..
99% of the time, I don't realize something is a bad idea until after I've made a mess. The exception is when there is risk to life and limb, I am quite good realizing those bad ideas long before I do anything.
I bought an Indian Enfield diesel motorbike from India, with a 325 mL diesel, single cylinder engine. And the fuel filter smelt of Curry. I can only assume that they used waste oil from cooking..
Imagine a metal bucket half full of used motor oil - then picture a match, strike it and toss it in the bucket - heavy black smoke for hours - this genius is an ecological Phd like me 🤪🤷♂️👍
I've got several of these little diesel engines and I love them. I experimented with running them on vegetable oil but I discovered that leaving them to sit after running on veggie oil virtually guaranteed gummed up injectors. It's best to run some straight diesel through the engine if you plan on letting it sit for any length of time.
Did you run used vegetables oil or fresh new vegetables oil ?
@@davidg.3406 -- Fresh. I don't have access to used oil.
@@Makermook ok thanks for the info, really appreciated. :)
Veggie oil is some nasty stuff. It makes an absolute mess of my waste oil furnace.
@@Engrave.Danger -- As far as I'm concerned, it's not worth running vegetable oil in small diesel engines. Way too messy and too prone to gumming up the injectors.
I am planning on turning one of these into a generator. I think running these on waste oil is what the doctor ordered.
Bring your ear plugs 😂
I wouldn't rely on it for highly critical tasks or high integrity circuits.
@@CableWrestler for high integrity circuits it would depend on the inverter I would use. As for critical tasks. If I had critical tasks I would buy a military surplus unit thats severely underated.
I have a generator head and am planning on doing that in an upcoming video. Curious about the power output vs diesel
@@austin_does_stuff theoretically you should get about 30% more runtime or 30% more kw/h with diesel. Considering 20% and 30% engine efficiency of gasoline and diesel.
Pour the waste oil over a magnet to get the extra small particles that not even a oil filter can get
good idea!
great idea!
sounds good, doesn't work
@@LizVanLee THE DOPEFISH LIVES
why bro, why the fuck would you leave us hanging ?@@LizVanLee
For long life of the engine i recommend to use one of the bellow methods:
1. Using a mix of 80% WMO and 20% gasoline to thin in out for easier cold starting and low smoke.
2. 2 tank sistem
Original tank with diesel for starting and flushing the sistem before shuting down. Second tank will be heated from exhaust mufler and will be with WMO. And a 3 way valve to switch from one tank to the other.
best solution indeed!
NEVER gasoline in a diesel. Just no. It burns too hot. Even 5% can cause overheating and severe damage.
yes in diesel but mixed in wmo to thin it is fine 10k miles on a 85 15 mix on a idi@@fhuber7507
@@fhuber7507gas doesn't burn hotter then diesel nor does it burn hotter then wmo I'm not sure where ur coming up w this idea, diesel actually burns much hotter then gasoline in a combustion engine
Two tanks is the clever way to go. BUT!!!
1. The waste oil tank shall be NOT heated by the muffler but with the cooling air, FOR SAFETY REASONS. Remember the engine is air-cooled so the heat is for free.
2. Once the engine is started, and the waste oil is reasonably warm, you can burn basically anything, like unrefined rapeseed oil or wate oil from McDonald's kitchen.
In Afghanistan I saw a guy with a watercooled China diesel. He had it hooked up to what looked like a truck alternator with a couple of wielding leads. They had a half 55 gallon drum with a pick up at the bottom and the return just poured back into the barrel. The whole contraption was mounted on a 4 wheeled trailer and dragged around with a tiny pickup. He didn't have a wielding helmet but he did have a dark piece of glass he would hold in one hand and the rod in the other!
It's pretty common in my state Kashmir
probably cheaper in afghanistan to make that instead of buying a welder or they just like making things.
@@ARMASOG They HAVE to make things.
I love your line “create some more problems fro your self” that’s my style 😂
I'm still waiting for one of you guys to actually bolt the motor to a board before you start it....
Yeah really.
That would have been the first thing I did after unboxing it.
Recycling waste oil to fuel a diesel is a fantastic idea.
I ran my diesel skoolie conversion on WVO (waste vegetable oil) sometimes WMO, I’d great results and logged thousands of miles. def recommend
Spilling diesel on the wood actually decreases your tree count by preserving the wood that has already been harvested :)
The smoke is generally proportional to load, but even pure diesel will smoke at full tilt. I have run engine oil as well, but it can be quite difficult to start when cold, a simple fix is to add a tablespoon of petrol to a tankful of oil fuel, although don't mix it in bulk as the petrol loses it's ignition boost effect over time once mixed. You also need the petrol mix to be at the injector for starting, so it needs running through first. I also use waste hydraulic oil more frequently now, it is much cleaner to handle, has less soot in it and has less (or no) flash point suppressors than motor oil, so it starts easier as well. I get it from a heavy machinery service agent, they do drum swaps for free.
Great video anyway, thanks.
thanks for your wisdom, I'll be exploring different oils in the future. Verycurious to see how the different types run
That sounds like a refined and more realistic substitute for diesel
Waste engine oil mixed with about 20% petrol is what my brother is running his diesel Pajaro on
I've been running waste oils in my 12 valve Cummins. That makes me feel better as I just got my hands on 20 gallons of used hydraulic oil. It definitely looks cleaner. My go-to is used ATF because waste engine oil is just dirty as hell, where the ATF is very clean even before you filter it.
@@Bloodbain88The trouble with hydraulic oil as fuel (and to a lesser extent ATF) is that it has a lot of anti-friction additives in it that don't burn and cause a gritty soot in the cylinder.....waste engine oil doesn't have these additives and the black carbon in it doesn't cause gritty ash......i had a waste oil boiler i built ua-cam.com/video/kh8E_dAM3Yo/v-deo.html and a week firing on hydraulic oil and it needed cleaned out.....i could go months on waste engine oil
Having a small diesel tank off to the side for starting the engine maybe a good idea especially if it’s cold out. Once the engine starts switch a valve to allow the motor oil to flow while shutting off the pure diesel. A Y valve.
I was also thinking about using a blowtorch to heat the cylinder head for 10 seconds before starting to see if that would make it easier. When its cold it takes about 4-6 pulls to start it on WMO. DIesel only takes one pull
Switching to diesel for a minute prior to shutting it off might not be a bad idea either.
@@austin_does_stuff They will start way easier with a sniff of ether. Even on diesel mine needs a bit to get started when it's under 40F
just a small hint: your fuel filter / flow direction is mounted backwards 😉
yep, noticed that afterwards and will fix that before the next video with that engine
@@austin_does_stuff I hope you bought a new one instead of just flipping it.
yes planning on replacing it with a new one soon @@crazy_dan420
@@austin_does_stuff You can cut your waste oil with diesel or gasoline to thin it out some and it will flow much better and burn cleaner.
I run my '83 Mercedes 300TD on used oil, but find it runs much nicer on a blend of 75% used motor oil and 25% used ATF to thin it. Even at 28F it glowplug starts instantly. My '88 6.2l Detroit Diesel powered Chevy stepvan also runs fine on the blend. A genuine oak West Marine canoe paddle is the instrument for blending...😁
I had a '86 300SD I ran on wmo and watf, was a great can and never paid for fuel when I had it. I did end up going through a few sets of glowplugs from trouble starting on pure wmo. The om617 loved the WATF tho
i used to run my 82 300sd on waste atf
@@austin_does_stuff I was fed up with the awful glowplug timers so used a 350A universal starter relay and a horn button to make glowing manual. Problem solved!
ATF is great for keeping the carbon deposits at bay.
@@Jack-tx2ve If the idiots would quit taking off the ALDA or screwing around with its settings, there is no black smoke or carbon buildup in the 41 years mine has run without disassembly. OM617 isn't a hot rod.
I have an old Belarus AS250 farm tractor. I only pushed the oil thru a T shirt to filter the used oil for it. In the heat of summers , it has zero issues. In winter , I add 20% gasoline so it'll crank on cold mornings. Also have a couple 6.9 liter Ford trucks. We made a homemade centrifuge to filter the used oil for those old engines. The 6.9's run a little stronger with 10-20% gasoline added to the oil, but still run fine.on straight oil.
Wow no smoke ! And it runs very well ! I would have thought that it would need at least a 50/50. Mix motor oil/ diesel . Fun times in the garage !!
VW has particle filter and eats oil too so this "oil" is poop with less ashes (= less additives) to run on which is why it is not so smokey
@@kitecattestecke2303no no no the DPF is in the exhaust system and nothing to do with the oil 😅
I would have added the used oil to regular diesel fuel - small parts at first, then increasing the percentage with testing.
(This was the intended path for foundry furnace fuel…)
it will keep the fuel lines and engine cleaner to run like 50/50
@@martinandersson5278its related fella, usually on these things the oil level can raise due to diesel contamination so i can bet this oil was a bit diluited with diesel. Modern diesel's are built like that
smoke alarm chirp at 0:19, 3:11, 3:37, 3:44, 4:25, 6:13, You should replace that for safety and also so you don't get associated with a certain type of people who can't hear smoke alarm chirps.
LOL
Diesel engines do not give a shit what you put in them. They will run on it. And as long as it is a heavy, flammable oil, rather than a light aromatic, they will run WELL on it. They like motor oil so much, in fact, that turbodiesels will happily destroy themselves if the turbocharger seals let go and allow the engine's own lubricant to get into the intake tract.
So your saying so long as i filter the oils a little engine like this will run on it? Mix used filtered vegetable, conola, engine, atf and itll work? What about things like grease i.e. automotive, or even bacon, and can you even turn those into a viscous liquid and it keep that form instead of re hardening?
Old diesels yes but you can’t run this stuff in a modern common rail engine for instance, it will destroy the fuel system
@@alexbeuerman7608 what is there besides rail fed for diesel I thought they needed to be pressurized and couldn't run off of a carb
@@rs-nk8cf An engine like this, and pretty much any on road diesel before like 1995 or so is gonna be indirect injection, those will run on just about anything. It still has a pressurized fuel system of course but not as much finicky tight tolerance hardware in the fuel system as a newer CR mill
Mounting the fuel filter backwards, always interesting.
We had a mower stop working because of that once, but it's an easy fix once you realize or at least have a suspicion about the problem.
I just noticed that too
@@MrBradshawbenjamin Never flip a backwards fuel filter, anything it did catch is going straight to the jets/injectors.
Always replace instead, they are super cheap anyways.
@@crazy_dan420yes,I’d say you have to replace it..
@@crazy_dan420you could just run gas through it for a minute
I like the plastic screens. Thanks for sharing.
I ran a single cylinder diesel powered water pump on waste oil for many months. It was difficult to start on straight oil, so mix it with some diesel. The biggest problem I had was the injector would coke up really bad. I suppose it is all the additives in the oil that build up. Once the injector was coked up, it make it very difficult to start and it's performance was very lacking.
that makes sense thanks for sharing your experience.
Just alternate between straight diesel to clean up the system.
@@ChrisWijtmans I failed to mention that I did that. The result was not meaningful.
Creating problems for ourselves is what we men do. 💪
As a diesel mechanic, and having a dad that worked for Volkswagen for over 40 years, specializing in diesel Volkswagens, first of all running the wrong oil in that TDI, it should be 5W 30 or 5W 40 specific diesel oil with a 505.xX rating. Second just because it’s a Chinese Diesel doesn’t mean the clearances are any different in the fuel injection part of it, it has to have pretty specific and tight clearances in order for the fuel to be injected properly. It’s just amazing that people can get a UA-cam channel and have a good video editing and all the sudden become the guru. When I actually have diplomas and ASE testing diplomas proving that, I know what I’m doing.. these channels and come into my shop and want me to do things that they see on UA-cam, it is frustrating as hell.
Agreed, the tdi does not need thick oil like an old tractor.
@@Codyjrt it just makes the public even more stupid. Because then they come in my shop and they say “I saw on UA-cam that I can run this cheaper oil in my car” and when you show them the factory manual says that you can’t or you’re not supposed to they argue with you that’s some dumb ass on UA-cam does it in his car and he doesn’t have any problems. To each their own but it’s getting out of hand with all these UA-cam certified mechanics giving the wrong advice to the dumbass general public that eats that shit up and believes it.
It sounds like your education thong is cutting into your tolerance of others doing things that have NOTHING to do with you!@@chrissuessle
@@chrissuessle
Eu entendo a sua fustracao , mas não estamos a falar de motores modernos com bombas injetoras de 2050 bar de pressão.
Motores antigos que se avariarem não há problema, podem ser sujeitos a este tipo de utilização .
Eu tenho um 1.9 TDI e só utilizo diesel.
No entanto tenho uma Nissan PIC UP de 1988 que gasta tudo o que lhe meto para queimar.
Assim como gerador Lister de 1966 de 10 KVA que queima óleos de motor e até de cozinha , há mais de trinta anos.
Os motores modernos não devem ser sujeitos a este tipo de experiências.👍👍👍👍
The problem running a diesel on motor oil are the inorganic (SAPS) additives in the motor oil. Ashes from the additives will clog the combustion chamber, valves, exhaust channel and exhaust. My motorcycle engine burned roughly 15 Liters of 10W40 over a distance of 30k km which coked the exhaust side terribly. Since the opposite cylinder didn't use that much oil, it was much cleaner.
Seems to me that the next experiment should be waste oil from fryers.
Bolting the engine on a base plate might’ve made your job easier. Interesting test. Thanks.
Oil is how you get a run away diesel. The seals in the super charger give way and the engine runs ungoverned on oil from the super charger. It’ll either run out of oil or blow itself to smitheriens.
Or u cut the air supply by blocking the intake rq
Wow that engine had a supercharger!
This doesn’t have a supercharger or a turbo. It’s just an injector ran on a cam inside the engine.
I’ve got a plan (more of a possible experiment, really) to use this with plastic pyrolysis oil . I don’t expect it to run for long before breakdown or maintenance.
But it could be a sweet “proof of concept” to see if I can make a self contained unit to use the plastic that’s currently getting rejected by the recycling streams worldwide.
i've been wanting to try pyrolysis but im scared to blow myself up. Do you have a setup built? I would love to see a video on it.
@@JoshDavies111 I haven’t built anything, just starting the research process
If you haven't check out a centrifugal wmo filter, they are pretty neat, and can filter quite a bit before needing cleaning them self've. Personally I would suggest filtering down further say at least 20 microns the reason is the largest particles are hard to burn, and will carbon up the engine over time. Get them down as fine as possible and mechanically it will last longer before needing maintenance, you could also add a bit of new auto trans fluid in directly with the wmo,to be filtered say a half a quart to a quart a gallon this will clean the combustion chamber pretty good
Filter the used motor oil first, to get rid of sediments and particulates. Then dilute the oil with some kerosene to the constituency of diesel. It then works very well as a diesel substitute.
That's what I was thinking, if you mix the used motor oil with something. I wonder if it would run on used hydraulic oil. I have a bunch of that from my tractor.
@@MikeOrazzi Yes it will run. It burns better as well. Also a bottle of that cheap white spirit is always handy to have around in cold weather - just a tiny splash does wonders!
if you place that bucket of oil high ,place a length of the old sisal/hemp rope in to it and the other end into a clean bucket and leave ,over time the oil will migrate to the lower container clean and no deposits and garbage ,was done in the old days to recycle oil becomes a lower grade but clean usable oil times were tight and need to recycle all that could be usually was reused in engine but in your case you would have CLEAN fuel,remember it takes time to filter down ,and you can dispose of the left behind sludge
That's a genius idea
Yep... they certainly run on well filtered old engine oil, been doing it for years, but it must be filtered through a paint filter.
Mine is new smokes a lot more than yours. I’m thinking about trying this now for fun, looks like you’re had no bad events from running on waste motor oil.
I would add 1/4 cup fresh oil to every 1 gallon. That can help just enough to make a difference for the motor.
In my oil burning experience, having conventional oil really helps. I imagine your Jetta is running full-syn so thats pretty impressive.
I have an old Pettter AC1 diesel I did the same experiments with years ago. Running straight used oil at load for extended times will eventually start to coke up or gum up the injector or injection pump system requiring somewhat detailed disassembly and clean out.
However, using about a 20 -25% blend of E85 mixed in with the used oil and doing 10-micron prefiltering seems to solve that problem plus made cold starts better.
75% used motor oil mixed with 25% used automatic transmission fluid is my answer
I run WMO (black gold) in my OLD 1989 7.3.. 100 microns is nowhere near enough filtration. I suggest obtaining a 0.5 micron polyester filter bag to pour that oil through. That's right, one half of one micron, the injection pump will thank you by having a long life..
I’ve been watching videos of guys trying to start these engines without being mounted. It sure makes it easier
There is a reason that Cat diesel engines traditionally have "Buy clean fuel keep it clean" on the fuel caps. Nothing but trouble can be had by running the wrong fuel in an internal combustion engine.
filtering to 100 micron doesn't do much.
A fuel or an oil filter usually does 10 micron.
10inch water filters are available down to 0.001Micron.
I used 0.2 Micron and 1 and 0.5 Micron as a pre filtering stage.
Still centrifuge and settling is better.
Also for smoke. A common-rail system so far ran the best on alternative fuels.
This is super fucking interesting for prep stuff especially with it attached to a generator head. If you needed ONE GENERATOR that can run your water pump this would be interesting. You'd probably need a 240 generator head but that's fine.
You are going to need 10hp/5,000watts to run a water pump. Even at that, it will strain to start the pump.
@@johnpeters9903 I bought the 10HP diesel because of this comment.
If you could have something like a fuel system that adds a tiny amount of the sump oil to normal diesel, and perhaps an oil reservoir that keeps the sump level right, you would probably encounter zero problems with cold-starting and coking-up, and the engine would change and dispose of it's own oil, so you'd only have to change the filter (if indeed these things have filters). Probably doesn't exist for good reasons, but it's a good thing to try.
You kind of just described a car thats burning oil.
@@jerbear7952 No, worn diesels smoke because the oil they are losing trickles into the combustion chamber from worn seals and does not burn properly. It will burn well if it's mixed with fuel and injected.
Ive been wanting to build a generator with this engine. Not sure on how big of a pulley to get the generator head spinning at 3600. Its on a "to try list" of mine. If it can run a decent size generator, I'd like to create a diesel/electric golf cart with it.
Diesel electric golf cart would be sweet! Let me know if you end up doing that!
5,00watts is going to require 10 hp minimum. You can just mimic the watts/hp ratio on existing gas generators, Getting the correct rpms will be critical as well.
It works - for a while. Runs and starts better if the oil is thinned with about 20% kerosene.
But the soot, junk and additives in the oil will coke up the injector pretty soon.
Waste hydraulic oil works better.
imagine this connected to an iMIEV or old Nissan Leaf as a range extender
What impressed me was all metal shavings in his car oil that where filtered out😂
I had a 10 HP version that I ran on 100% Used Veggie oil (I collected from an Arby's Fast Food joint)
for about 5 years. It ran like a charm ! Never had any problems with it at all. 5 years later it blew a Head Gasket. Simple inexpensive fix ! Liked/Subscribed !
*FJB*
Imagine how awesome it would be if that was put in a cybertruck for generator!
😂
Cook oil new or used is good to use too, some persons get it used at restaurants or mcdonalds and it´s free
You need to run the waste oil through a centrifuge to remove fine particulate. These particulates will eat your injector and is hard on the engine if not removed.
I have to say seeing is believing and I've seen it today, nice vid.
Really you should at the least cut the old oil 50/50 with #1 diesel fuel. I'm tight with money, but not that tight.
but dosn't the oil filter in the car filter all the oil really good? So filtering would not be necessary or is the screen really good??
I filter down to 55 micron in my buck top filters.
Then i use sock filters, 25, 10, 5, 1, then finally 1/2 micron filters
I've been considering picking up a few of these to tinker with on the channel. If you end up going through with your setup for a generator, I'd suggest getting some finer bag filters for the sake of longevity. Also, is there any way to adjust injection timing on these engines? It would help the smoke a bit. I do quite a bit with black diesel on the channel so I'm interested to see your progress with it. Good luck bud!
a centrifuge will go a long way to get crap out and clean the oil.
@mickwolf1077 indeed. I'm a WVO Designs dealer... a lot of my oil related content centers on that but it's also a big investment.
I use a bucket top screen followed by a magnet and a remote oil filter for my waste oil heater, though now that you mention it, I could fit a bag in there as well.
@Engrave.Danger bag filters are the cheapest alternative that works well. I've done some testing on them, and they're far better than most spin on filters you can get.
I have just been dumping wmo directly into fuel tank of my 96 7.3 and a ford 1520 to run a PTO generator. Surprisingly the 7.3 runs better (even in cold) than the 1520.
Used to run my boat engine like this in the UK - till the government made it illegal. You can still do it, but you have to have a very expensive licence. I would generally ignore this kind of over regulation, but because of it, my waste oil suppliers are no longer happy to let me have it. Oil from oil changes always goes back into the fuel tank.
Every old diesel can be run with WMO just need to be a engine without cpu and electronics... Must be pure diesel :D but that 'fuel' creates problem for the engine if its not filtrated and mixed with diesel :)) and in cold weather its hard to start the engine
Heat the old oil.
Let it settle out for a couple of days.
Run the oil through a good filter. (or you are asking to destroy the injector)
Mix 75% diesel, 25% used oil.
It will run fine. in warm weather.
It might be too thick for starting in cold weather.
you should try to assemble a motorized bike build with the waste motor oil, should be simple and cheap enough; with a good bike frame and some fat tires it could make a janky offroad build with that extra diesel torque.
FYI: 10k oil change intervals are terrible for any engine. Also makes the camshaft issue worse on those TDIs than it already is.
Well that’s nice to know, I wanted to get one of these for a MiniBike and use used motor oil as fuel. We have a TON of waste oils.
you did it wrong. first oil need to be filtered. cofee filter would be enough,
second, it should be mixed with diesel fuel, 50/50 would be perfect
I guess you will have some issues starting with only used oil. Because you had some diesel in the injector already it was easy.
to prevent the kick back just pull the cord whit the comresion level off utile its hard to pull them but the lever on and give a good pull
Cool video. It amazes me how many genius know it alls in the comments.
Using old cooking oil is cool but i think you have to put a small amount of white spirit / turps into the oil for reliability.
Thats what they did on Top Gear.
I like the variety on your channel, its pretty cool
Was ne sauerei alter. Muss ja kein Labor Standart sein, aber so hab ich mit 15 an meinen Moped's geschraubt.. die Idee ist natürlich cool und nun darfst du mich übersetzen... Cooler Kanal...
Oil and diesel are used to treat wood. 2 for 1 when you spill
Need to rig up a heated oil loop for cool or cold weather
great ide! Will try to encorporate something like that in the future
Someone else have probably said this, but you have the fuel filter on the wrong way :)
Too KooL. Thanks for sharing. Take care. - Leeroy
Very good can use wasted engine oil thank I would buy one dessert small engine
good idea to reuse old motor oil into some kinetic use.... too bad i live in an apartment ..
I wonder how well this would work in place of number two heating oil in a furnace?
I would put a splash of gas in with the oil to make it thinner and flash off easier.
good idea but not too much.. that might cause pre detonation!
Gas around a diesel engine is ground for a run away engine.
@@philbenson6041Gas would only get released into the cylinders by the injectors, injector closed no gas/oil.
I drive diesel trucks for a living and use to run old Detroit 2 stroke engines and ever time I changed oil I dumped the waste oil in the fuel tanks and burned it.
I think you're supposed to mix the waste motor oil with 10 to 15% petrol, cheers Graham
Yes. Yes they can
They need help to start if wmo is used in the cold
I think you’re crazy for doing straight engine oil, i’d at least cut it in half with diesel, but a fun experiment.
Guys! you need add petrol 10:2 two litre petrol on 10 l oil..
And when you are using rapeseeds oil then is 10 l rapeseeds oil 10 diesel 4 l petrol and 300 ml.l two stroke oil.. .. then costs of bio diesel is 70 80 p per litre . Than 1.60£ per diesel.
It works good..
Not a fan of the pollutants that is probably producing but it is nice to find another use for spent motor oil
99% of the time, I don't realize something is a bad idea until after I've made a mess. The exception is when there is risk to life and limb, I am quite good realizing those bad ideas long before I do anything.
Mineral WMO burns a lot better than the Synthetic WMO, which definately needs dilution with diesel/gasoline.
I bought an Indian Enfield diesel motorbike from India, with a 325 mL diesel, single cylinder engine. And the fuel filter smelt of Curry. I can only assume that they used waste oil from cooking..
Imagine a metal bucket half full of used motor oil - then picture a match, strike it and toss it in the bucket - heavy black smoke for hours - this genius is an ecological Phd like me 🤪🤷♂️👍
Try again. A match will not ignite motor oil at ambient air temperatures. It won’t even ignite diesel that way.
Too much carbon in waste motor oil. Best to use a 10micron filter or smaller first, a time taking exercise
I would have mixed it a bit with diesel. But it looks fine.
At least the grooves from burnt carbon on the cylinder liner wont be bigger than 100 microns.
Carbon is some of the black colour in old oil.
heating the oil would probably be a plus,maybe run the fuel line over the muffler
Why not a 50/50 mix?
Don’t you need to thin it out a bit with something like kerosene? Seems kinda thick.
👍👍 ça fonctionne
Mais le carbone endommage
pas la pompe
i need one of those with electric start to make a small generator.....
Where do you get the strainers from?
Nice video by the way!
Thanks! I got them from USP plastics
It has been 8 months now. Has this engine been run at length to look for any failures?
For all the people wanting to create generators, there are likely generators that use the same engine if you look
For how little fuel it consumes I would stick with diesel to avoid gunking things up.
Funny, yes we do like doing things that create more problems for ourselves. It seems like that is all I do.
Yes, safely if you filter and run it through a centrifuge first.
Make a long handle for it and use it as a soil compactor