Not only did we accomplish slip working, but we accomplished it with no greater impact on safety than with any modern train! To think that we achieved something so finely engineered yet (Possibly) risky in an era where radio sets were such a rare find, yet can't accomplish this today in an era where every smartphone is a supercomputer... :-o ;-)
Similar to hump marshalling yards. The concept that rail transport could be enhanced momentum doesn’t seem to have phased anyone. Love to see someone try that today.
Its not that we cant use slipcoaches anymore, its because they are no longer necessary. Slipcoaches were used because steam locomotives could not accelerate quickly after stopping at a station. The slipcoaches were a solution to that problem by allowing the train to not stop at all while still dropping off passengers at a station. Diesel engines did not have the same problems as their steam counterparts therefore, slipcoaches were no longer needed since trains could now stop at all stations without losing time.
Slip coaches were introduced to give intermediate stations on the route a fast service at express speed without stopping the express. GWR had most of them. Pax were locked in to stop other pass getting in the wrong carridge and to prevent them opening the doors before the carridge stopped at the station. Control of the carridge needed skillful handling as each carridge was different in running characteristics, don't know if line side markers gave any help as the release speed had to be constant but likely wasn't therefore the great skill needed. Don't know of any accidents with slip coaches?
There were some accidents, the favourite was running into the back of the train they'd been slipped from if it then had to brake, the worst (that I've heard of) injured over 30 people. The whole concept breaks the cardinal rule of train/signalling safety of only ever having one train on any given section of track, the moment it splits you have two, & a potential for one to hit the other.
For anyone asking why don't we do this anymore, it's because unlike steam engines modern train with diesel, electric locomotives or even electric multiple units, simply have enough acceleration and efficiency to stop at each destination.
Slip coaches gave express speeds for travellers to small commuter stations to avoid the slower commuter trains. I never knew they had one at Bicester and that was the end. How sad. Thanks for posting.
Not surprisingly, Thomas brought me here. Regardless, the slip coaches are as much of a fascinating concept in real life as they are in a children's program.
+MeganekkoFury1126 Indeed, I can say the same. "Duck and The Slip Coaches", and I think "Last Train Before Christmas" are the slip coach episodes. I was curious as to whether or not slip coaches were a real thing, but here is the proof.
The driver had never slowed down to much in the station. “Please don’t slow down too much in the station, or the last coach will bump into the back of your train.”
Indian Railways are very much British in their DNA even after Independence names given to express trains like Inter-City Express etc. They still follow the centuries old traditions even today, even though the rolling stock is very modern and comfortable. A slip coach or coaches that are detached even though they are not slipped on the run. 1. What is a slip train in Indian Railways (IR) ? In IR, sometimes to save cost and time, few coaches do not go to the final destination of the train. They are detached from the train and left behind. Those coaches are called slip coaches of train and they might be picked up by another train or that could be the final halt for them. The train which has slip coaches in it is called slip train. 2. Do I need to change coaches while travelling in a slip route train? No, you don’t have to change to any other train at any station. During reservation itself, you will be placed in the respective slip coach. 3. What is the difference between a slip coach and through coach? A through coach is similar to a slip coach but it is later reattached to another train so that it can proceed to another destination. On the other hand, slip coaches may or may not be sent forward after they are detached. All slip coaches and through coaches are that have reserved seating. Unreserved passengers are not allowed to board these coaches. The SLR (Seating Luggage Rake) or Guard Brake Van which is usually the last coach of a consist, but if the train has a slip or through coaches then the SLR Coach stays as it is and the slip/through coaches are coupled to the SLR/ brake van, so when the slip/ through coaches are detached, the crew check brake air pressure and connectivity and move onwards to the destination, leaving behind the slip/through coaches which are attached to another train taking them to their destination or are shunted to a siding if that particular station is their destination. Extra coaches eg. Railway Inspection Coaches, tourists group coaches are attached to the end of trains and they are dropped off according to their scheduled stations as per their itinerary where the group tours that particular area and then board the same coach which is parked at a siding and travel to the next destination.
Today is the *4* year anniversary of when you uploaded this video. 🤓 EDIT- 5:49 P.M.: *finishes video 5 minutes later* I had never heard of slip coaches until now.
There's an interesting book called "The Railway Journeys of my Childhood" that was written by a retired brigadier about his experiences of travelling on the railways as a child in the Edwardian era. He also illustrated it himself with drawings. I don't have it in front of me but there's a chapter dedicated to the experience of travelling in slip coaches as I recall.
I wonder why the passengers were locked in prior to departure from Paddington? I used to call class 153s slip coaches especially when detaching one off a long distance Alphaline service.
At first I thoughthathe SLIP coach fell behind the express train and was switched onto the station track. It rolled into the station area and was gently braked to a stop as close to the station as possible.
Though audible the background noise is a little loud in comparison to the narration right at the start but when the train leaves the station it's perfectly fine on my PC.
Stepney The Bluebell Engine For me,it is unknown. But probably there are. But not used as the slip coaches. They ARE slip coaches,but are used as normal ones,because of safety,and because they got the BR Mk.01 coaches.
First of all. I was under the impression that slip coaches were slipped into a station with a bay platform where they would terminate. I had no idea they were shunted into another waiting train. Also, why not slip it onto the back of the train in the platform loop, rather than detaching the loco from the waiting train and shunting onto the front? It would need a shunter with good timing to switch the turnout after the express had passed, but in those days they wouldn't be afraid of doing something like that :-)
The turnout on the main line would've been part of an interlocking worked from a signalbox, and would not be a hand-worked set of points. For reasons that should be obvious, switching a set of facing points between the main train and its slip coaches was not considered an acceptable practice.
as well as the isues of the points being locked by the signalling system there are also issues with a coach at speed moving onto the back of a loaded passenger train... if the brakes were to fail (or the guard become incapacitated) as the slip approached the 'obstruction' it could be somewhat "messy", by keeping it on the main line they've maintained over run protection
the idea is you could board your train in London, then not have to change trains even if you wanted to travel down a branch line. So, you'd get in the correct coach, it would slip, then it would be attached to another train that would start and continue down a branch line, this made journey times faster as, not only did you not need to stop the train in many stations, the passengers didn't need to disembark and remebark meaning the branch line train could leave as soon as the coach arrived.
More common than slip coaches were through coaches. So if you wanted to travel from a minor route to a major city destination, you didn't need to change trains as happens today. The original locomotive would uncouple, and your coach would be coupled to the express without you having to leave your seat. Fixed units meant this was no longer possible. I was surprised to hear slip coaches were still being made as late as 1958.
It meant express trains didn’t have to stop at stations, which reduced journey times, while at the same time people who wanted to get off at a station a coach was being slipped they could.
To re-attach the car they hitched it to a cable going up a slope to a stationary engine, winched it to the top, passengers got on then at the right moment released the carriage which hurtled down the slope, through sprung points, and onto the back of a passing train. ;)
A classic example of a bad idea that was made to work using labour. A skilled guard on the coach, a driver and fireman on the shunter, and at least one man to couple the coach; then repeat on the return, with the guard as spare man. As the commentary says; only those going to Bicester North benefited from this cost. Those going down the branch line would almost certainly have got there faster if the expressed had stopped and there was a connection waiting; and only way back was on a service slowed by stopping at Bicester.
The idea of the coach you're in detatching itself and just making it's own way to the station seems a little terrifying to me.
It sounds like fun to me
They were under control of a guard who could apply the brake to slow and stop the coach. Perfectly safe.
Safe, Unless the train slows down and the coach hits the train. This happened a few times
A heritage railway needs to recreate one of these slip coaches. Would definitely be a fun ride!
should do it with a brakevan!
@@ChilternRailPhotography n o
Wow! I had no idea slip coaches had bells. Like the auto coaches.
Not only did we accomplish slip working, but we accomplished it with no greater impact on safety than with any modern train!
To think that we achieved something so finely engineered yet (Possibly) risky in an era where radio sets were such a rare find, yet can't accomplish this today in an era where every smartphone is a supercomputer... :-o ;-)
Similar to hump marshalling yards. The concept that rail transport could be enhanced momentum doesn’t seem to have phased anyone. Love to see someone try that today.
Its not that we cant use slipcoaches anymore, its because they are no longer necessary. Slipcoaches were used because steam locomotives could not accelerate quickly after stopping at a station. The slipcoaches were a solution to that problem by allowing the train to not stop at all while still dropping off passengers at a station. Diesel engines did not have the same problems as their steam counterparts therefore, slipcoaches were no longer needed since trains could now stop at all stations without losing time.
Those slip coaches were nice. I heard about them from Thomas & Friends.
Bring back Slip Coaches for the Gt.Eastern main line.
Duck "really likes" his slip coaches
No just no
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
NO NO NO. NO, NO, NO, NO NO NO!
Duck:Quack...🦆
Actually Duck used to pull slip coaches on the Great Western Railway.
Well, you learn something new every day. Never heard of the slip coach before. What a bizarre practice!
Slip coaches were introduced to give intermediate stations on the route a fast service at express speed without stopping the express. GWR had most of them. Pax were locked in to stop other pass getting in the wrong carridge and to prevent them opening the doors before the carridge stopped at the station.
Control of the carridge needed skillful handling as each carridge was different in running characteristics, don't know if line side markers gave any help as the release speed had to be constant but likely wasn't therefore the great skill needed.
Don't know of any accidents with slip coaches?
There were some accidents, the favourite was running into the back of the train they'd been slipped from if it then had to brake, the worst (that I've heard of) injured over 30 people.
The whole concept breaks the cardinal rule of train/signalling safety of only ever having one train on any given section of track, the moment it splits you have two, & a potential for one to hit the other.
For anyone asking why don't we do this anymore, it's because unlike steam engines modern train with diesel, electric locomotives or even electric multiple units, simply have enough acceleration and efficiency to stop at each destination.
Slip coaches gave express speeds for travellers to small commuter stations to avoid the slower commuter trains. I never knew they had one at Bicester and that was the end. How sad. Thanks for posting.
Not surprisingly, Thomas brought me here.
Regardless, the slip coaches are as much of a fascinating concept in real life as they are in a children's program.
+MeganekkoFury1126 Indeed, I can say the same. "Duck and The Slip Coaches", and I think "Last Train Before Christmas" are the slip coach episodes. I was curious as to whether or not slip coaches were a real thing, but here is the proof.
Same
Same
Duck
How would Network Rail react to 2:11 with a load of children and their dog right at the slow line!>
Well, I never knew of that, how fascinating.
This has been so useful for a talk I'm doing. Thank you.
The driver had never slowed down to much in the station. “Please don’t slow down too much in the station, or the last coach will bump into the back of your train.”
Indian Railways are very much British in their DNA even after Independence names given to express trains like Inter-City Express etc. They still follow the centuries old traditions even today, even though the rolling stock is very modern and comfortable. A slip
coach or coaches that are detached even though they are not slipped on the run.
1. What is a slip train in Indian Railways (IR) ?
In IR, sometimes to save cost and time, few coaches do not go to the final destination of the train. They are detached from the train and left behind. Those coaches are called slip coaches of train and they might be picked up by another train or that could be the final halt for them. The train which has slip coaches in it is called slip train.
2. Do I need to change coaches while travelling in a slip route train?
No, you don’t have to change to any other train at any station. During reservation itself, you will be placed in the respective slip coach.
3. What is the difference between a slip coach and through coach?
A through coach is similar to a slip coach but it is later reattached to another train so that it can proceed to another destination. On the other hand, slip coaches may or may not be sent forward after they are detached.
All slip coaches and through coaches are that have reserved seating. Unreserved passengers are not allowed to board these coaches.
The SLR (Seating Luggage Rake) or Guard Brake Van which is usually the last coach of a consist, but if the train has a slip or through coaches then the SLR Coach stays as it is and the slip/through coaches are coupled to the SLR/ brake van, so when the slip/ through coaches are detached, the crew check brake air pressure and connectivity and move onwards to the destination, leaving behind the slip/through coaches which are attached to another train taking them to their destination or are shunted to a siding if that particular station is their destination.
Extra coaches eg. Railway Inspection Coaches, tourists group coaches are attached to the end of trains and they are dropped off according to their scheduled stations as per their itinerary where the group tours that particular area and then board the same coach which is parked at a siding and travel to the next destination.
Fascinating stuff Danny thanks for that . Always good to get knowledge of other countries methods 👍
Today is the *4* year anniversary of when you uploaded this video. 🤓
EDIT- 5:49 P.M.: *finishes video 5 minutes later*
I had never heard of slip coaches until now.
Anyone here remember travelling on a slipcoach or know anyone who did? Would be interested in hearing impressions.
There's an interesting book called "The Railway Journeys of my Childhood" that was written by a retired brigadier about his experiences of travelling on the railways as a child in the Edwardian era. He also illustrated it himself with drawings. I don't have it in front of me but there's a chapter dedicated to the experience of travelling in slip coaches as I recall.
Interesting that the recovering loco is 5032 Nunney Castle . Still around today.
Nunney Castle is actually 5029, 5032 is Usk Castle.
Note the young spotters with the little dog !
I wonder why the passengers were locked in prior to departure from Paddington?
I used to call class 153s slip coaches especially when detaching one off a long distance Alphaline service.
Fascinating.
At first I thoughthathe SLIP coach fell behind the express train and was switched onto the station track. It rolled into the station area and was gently braked to a stop as close to the station as possible.
It would be interesting if they brought back this idea with modern coaches and computer controlled braking
They split trains instead now. Especially on Southern
@@Rich72James Yep. With diesel multiple units there's no need for coasting carriages
@@eamonnca1 or even just EMUs, since all EMU sections are cars.
o dear great western
Very nice video! Greetings 🚂👍👋
Here after watching the promo for Snowpiercer (S1E9 & E10)
The first time I heard of slip coaches was in a Thomas the tank engine episode. What's wrong with the sound? can't hardly hear it.
Though audible the background noise is a little loud in comparison to the narration right at the start but when the train leaves the station it's perfectly fine on my PC.
スリップコーチを切り離した正にその瞬間に１閉塞に２列車が存在する事に‥
鉄道車両というのは基本的に鉄の塊だから脱線転覆若しくは追突したりすると兵器並の威力が‥だから１閉塞1列車が大原則‥しかしなかなか凄い‥
Narrator sound like he's about to burst out laughing at any moment
it really good for holidays
Hello Slippies!
Your not duck your gordon you fraud like james
I hope there is a line functioning as tourist atrction that still uses them
there isn’t. In fact, the only one still in existence doesn’t have a chassis and is used as a holiday cottage
Is there a sound problem with this? Can barely hear it....
Well, I've never seen anything like that before! :-D
Is there any preserved slip coaches left today or where they all scrapped
Stepney The Bluebell Engine For me,it is unknown. But probably there are. But not used as the slip coaches. They ARE slip coaches,but are used as normal ones,because of safety,and because they got the BR Mk.01 coaches.
Gordon TheBigBlueEngine thank you but what you said is very confusing
I think what he means is they probably still exist but aren't used in the slip capacity for safety reasons.
Donald & Douglas 3 of them belong to duck from thomas the tank engine and also surviving
They were all scrapped
First of all. I was under the impression that slip coaches were slipped into a station with a bay platform where they would terminate. I had no idea they were shunted into another waiting train. Also, why not slip it onto the back of the train in the platform loop, rather than detaching the loco from the waiting train and shunting onto the front? It would need a shunter with good timing to switch the turnout after the express had passed, but in those days they wouldn't be afraid of doing something like that :-)
The turnout on the main line would've been part of an interlocking worked from a signalbox, and would not be a hand-worked set of points. For reasons that should be obvious, switching a set of facing points between the main train and its slip coaches was not considered an acceptable practice.
as well as the isues of the points being locked by the signalling system there are also issues with a coach at speed moving onto the back of a loaded passenger train... if the brakes were to fail (or the guard become incapacitated) as the slip approached the 'obstruction' it could be somewhat "messy", by keeping it on the main line they've maintained over run protection
Duck: hello slippers! :D
Tonya Alwardt just no
duck and the slip coaches what face
Where did the slip coach go after it left Bicester?
Banbury
The fact that BR used the SLIP COACH must have slipped past the HSE?
duck knows your location
The first time I heard about Slip coaches was in Thomas The tank engine. I thought they couldn't have existed. But they did.
Same Almost
99% of things in thomas the tank were real and based on real things or slightly modified from the real thing upto 2004 I think
"DID YOU SAY SLIP COACHES"!?!?
I don't know they are still alive or not
But it's really Memorial
it would've been better if small sidings were made for the slip coaches where local goods could pick them up instead of passenger trains
No, not really
Never knew this happened!
What's he saying at 1:08, it sounds like he's saying they "couldn't, by definition, have balancing ... something?"
Balancing movements .
What does it mean?
IE they can’t be collected at speed and coupled up to the train. Have to make arrangements for a non-revenue trip to get it back to where it belongs
Whats the pourpose of slip coaches it just stays at the station
DolphinLegend 64 so the locomotive does not need to stop
the idea is you could board your train in London, then not have to change trains even if you wanted to travel down a branch line. So, you'd get in the correct coach, it would slip, then it would be attached to another train that would start and continue down a branch line, this made journey times faster as, not only did you not need to stop the train in many stations, the passengers didn't need to disembark and remebark meaning the branch line train could leave as soon as the coach arrived.
More common than slip coaches were through coaches. So if you wanted to travel from a minor route to a major city destination, you didn't need to change trains as happens today. The original locomotive would uncouple, and your coach would be coupled to the express without you having to leave your seat. Fixed units meant this was no longer possible.
I was surprised to hear slip coaches were still being made as late as 1958.
they were'n just a single coach they could consist of a rake of as many as 6 coaches
As many as that!
What actually was the reason for slip coaches anyway?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slip_coach
It meant express trains didn’t have to stop at stations, which reduced journey times, while at the same time people who wanted to get off at a station a coach was being slipped they could.
To re-attach the car they hitched it to a cable going up a slope to a stationary engine, winched it to the top, passengers got on then at the right moment released the carriage which hurtled down the slope, through sprung points, and onto the back of a passing train.
;)
Do any Slip Coaches survive?
One does. It's a GWR slip coach from 1896, now used as a camping coach.
But how does passengers board if it doesnt stop???
They don’t
Really didn't have any idea about slip coaches 😳😳
Turn the fucking volume up. God youtubers get it right.
Its not ad easy as just turning the volume up, and the volume is fine anyway
Nice coaches, at least Thomas the Tank Engine preserved some lol
Yeah
Yeah 😃
can you buy these in 00 gauge [slip coaches]
no, but I think theres a brass kit
Amazing it lastest sonlong
Hello slippies
The description of this video is complete gibberish.
And the slip coaches would be blocking the track so the other train cant come to the platform.
Their real
I didn't know slip coaches were in real life. I thought they're only in Thomas
The Goat me too
Then where would Mattel get the inspiration from
Everything in Thomas is based on something real.
The Goat Yeah, well Thomas & Friends isn’t entirely original.
Brad es bullshit yes as it's based on the rws
A classic example of a bad idea that was made to work using labour. A skilled guard on the coach, a driver and fireman on the shunter, and at least one man to couple the coach; then repeat on the return, with the guard as spare man. As the commentary says; only those going to Bicester North benefited from this cost. Those going down the branch line would almost certainly have got there faster if the expressed had stopped and there was a connection waiting; and only way back was on a service slowed by stopping at Bicester.
Slip
Slip
Slip
Slip
Slip
Duck Wants Those Coaches Back! Why Did You Steal It!
The Great Western Railway huh? Well I guess it just go to show there are 2 ways of doing things The Great Western way or The Wrong Way.
no just no
Yy
Balancing workings - on the return journey slip coaches couldn’t be scooped up in the way that they were dropped off