GearCity - Car Design & Tycoon Game - 01 - Big Apple Start
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2022
- Let's play Gear City / Gearcity, a car tycoon game that allows you to design, manufacture, market, and sell your own cars.
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It's a wonderful spreadsheet management game that I only just discovered, so let's try a series on it, so I can introduce it to you as well!
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GearCity on Steam:
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Do you find tycoon games too simplistic? GearCity is a complex and in-depth business simulator. It focuses on a realistic economic simulation of the global automobile industry. The game takes several hours to grasp and hundreds of hours to master. Can you succeed where many other CEOs have failed?
Thousands have tried, and many have failed. What made business leaders such as Henry Ford, William Durant, and Karl Benz so great? Could you ever accomplish what they did?
Now is your chance to find out. GearCity is a realistic historically focused economic simulation of the global automobile industry. Unlike tycoon games, GearCity has not been simplified. It is a complex, realistic, in-depth management sim that will take several hours to grasp and hundreds of hours to master. Thousands of players across the globe and industry professionals from automotive engineers to economics professors have praised the game’s intricate details.
GearCity offers a wide variety of design and business choices.
Create chassis, engines, transmissions, and vehicles. Manage production lines, supplies, prices, and employees. Build factories and distribution branches. Set marketing and racing budgets. Negotiate with benefits unions. Adjust dividends on your subsidiaries and enact a hostile takeovers in a feature-heavy stock system. Produce munitions and military equipment for governments at war. Let your imagination free and choose your own path.
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Man, I got this game before the full release and I've absolutely loved it! Glad you're giving it some press, it deserves a lot more players than it currently has. Also the dev Eric is really nice and is super active in the Steam forums. Definitely give this game a try if you haven't.
I've been interacting with Eric on his Discord (tied to his IRC), where he is very active and responsive!
When you start your company, you can Licence or Purchase other Vehicles or Engines,Chassis, or Gearbox from other companies (RnD>Outsource button>Select from the left. Also "All Companies" from the Filter list ). That way you can manufacture and sell products so you can make a profit (or have less loss) from the start, until you can make your own vehicle, which took you a total of 18 months of having a net loss!
It seems so obvious after you say it. Thank you
I'm really excited to see you playing GearCity. I played a lot of tycoon games when I was a kid and GC feels like a well made game from a developer who played a lot of those games back in the day.
I think that's _exactly_ the case too! The dev is currently remaking Koei's classic, Aerobiz.
@@TortugaPower oh I LOVED her biz when I was a kid.
Compared to the original game, which I played over 30 years ago, this version seems somewhat more complicated than the original version. From what I remember, it was easier to get your first body. The security and consumption were probably not the best. But it was developed by the engineers they hired. And if you managed to have the maximum number of engineers, you were far ahead in technology.
200 AI companies? WOW, we gonna have some serious competition.
I bought this game in 2012 and it has come a long way. Appreciate the look at this one. A good dev still updating the game. Cheers
Yeah, it's great to see a determined dev. He's very active still.
The similar game your thinking of is "Automation". My favorite part about it is that you can put your car into Beam and drive it
I've been hooked on this game recently, excited to see your playthrough
i am genuinely going to be watching this JUST SO i can finally figure out how to play the dang thing lol
Cool, this game looks like a nice update from a game I played in the Early 90s called Detroit
Looking forward to more of this. I'm not sure if it was Detroit I played as a kid, but I've been fascinated by this kind of game since. That being said, I haven't played many, so I get to live vicariously through you. Keep up the great work dude!
A few observations- though before I begin I should tell you that the mega menu, specifically the auto-commands section is a lifesaver on micro management. Autoproduce specifically will micro your factories for you
Economy of scale matters in this game. The material cost of the components and vehicle in the designer are pre-scale bonuses, so the actual cost of the components drops drastically, but only once you've begun large-scale mass production. Once you actually have significant production capacity, it's often a good idea to sell your car at a loss at first- that will fund the scale bonus increases better than lowering the price every month. As an interesting note, this is how actual car manufacturers behave irl
Designing a car as a specific style (sedan, pickup, etc) does not preclude customers in other categories buying the car. What's more, customers do have certain expectations for horsepower ratings, handling ability, etc that the game doesn't make particularly obvious. Combined with the fact that slider cost increases scales nonlinearly (ie, cost goes up less for the first few ticks and significantly more for the last few) consider putting a tick or two in most sliders, and tread carefully before going over three fourths or so. Oh, and some sliders within the same category (testing, design, so on) seem to compound cost increases in certain designers.
Customer expectations change over time. This is most significant for Horsepower, acceleration, cargo capacity, etc, as the stars are relative and therefore sort of autoadjust for you. The point that I'm getting at is that while the fuel economy 'importance' is high, they'll be fine with like 12mpg.
Early per capita is so low that even though there is demand for a wide variety of vehicle types, the vast majority of people can't realistically afford anything remotely resembling what they want. For that reason, focusing on sports and luxury cars is suicide. You can't possibly design a sports car with both reasonable stats and price, and everyone that would be buying luxury cars are being forced into econobox range instead. This changes in the late 1910s but before that it's brutal.
Early gas engines are trash. The most commonly suggested strategy for the 1900 start is to build the cheapest possible phaeton with a 1hp single cylinder motor. This works, but a 1hp steam engine works better. It's more cost effective, and brings loads more torque and smoothness and other stats. Only problem is reduced demand for steam, but that's not as much of an issue when you can't possibly be meeting full demand in the first place. Plus, the game is somewhat dynamic- if you build a bunch of really good steam cars that will increase the popularity of steam. As an aside, factories increase economic growth of the cities they are in- somewhat at least.
To make it clear, the most important stat in the beginning is cost. You will _never_ be able to make a car with a practical level of performance without being forced to price it out of the vast, vast majority of your customer base. To give an example my first phaeton usually costs less than $400 in material costs. Yeah, the whole thing. It's type rating tends to hover around 38, making it both better and significantly cheaper than anything the AI can make.
Dublin has the lowest corporate tax rate I've seen at 12%, but the tax rate changes through the game.
You'll get some contracts internationally, but others, like commercial fleets, you only get if you have a branch in the city it's for. Commercial fleets generally don't buy too often, but if you have branches in several cities you should be able to make a profit selling off extra production.
Lastly, setting your demographic focus to the ultra-low segment will knock off about $100 to $200 from the final product- assuming you don't invest in demographic testing.
Automation is pretty fire too
Thanks for the video.
Speaking of being behind the curve... I just found your channel after watching your IL2 coop series on Wolfpack's channel which was great! I am big fan of Tycoon type games so am interested in this game now. Good video. Worth a sub keep it up!
Welcome, Randy! I too have to scratch that tycoon itch from time to time.
The company logo you really desire is the Gordon Keeble.
Yes, yes, yes! I should probably find a way to import it, as it's perfect.
Time to try a new game. Damn you Tortuga.
I'm just passing on the same affliction which infects me :)
Good video. Fastuga smashed through the full design. Looking forward to a factory explanation next episode as I'd love to see your philosophy on price vs quality balanced by factory lines allocated.
Factory lines philosophy for me is not optimal, it's OCD-driven. I don't like the quality reduction (because it is persistent and continuously dropping), even though I nigh-positive that cranking it beyond halfway is optimal financially.
Good to see you picked up this game, I think it's a good fit for your playstyle!
I think we have very similar playstyles, which basically means min/max the crap out of a game and see what we can come up with 😄
I found rule the waves thanks to your UA-cam videos about it.
I posted a guide on how to get a billion until 1910 on hard difficulty, this includes snall improvements like finishing a design in November so you profit from the price drop in December. You can IPO in 1900 and start building your second factory of your license a car instead of designing one yourself.
The guide is almost two years old, so before the release of the game but I think most ist still relevant.
Hi Nuvag, that guide sounds great. Can you provide a link?
I usually start with a 6L V4 engine. The early truck contracts need over 100ft-lbs in most cases, and by the time they are a real thing the year 00 engine is stupid cheap to make. Sadly now that the CPU companies learn from you they'll start building cars with V4s making it harder to pick out your engines in the model comparisons in the magazine.
As technology gets better I shrink the motor till its just under 5L. (lol), then let it live there for a long time. Makes for cheap motors that work in anything that isn't a racecar.
Also the Body designer does matter. Room inside, cargo, etc all are based on the body. You don't have to decorate it, but you might want to pick a pre-made that matches what you need, or at least do the basic body morphs.
Thanks a lot xt6, I didn't know about the body designer -- maybe I didn't want to know about it. Oh well, time to get my hands a bit dirty with the 3D, or least pick something more discriminately.
@@TortugaPower I only use 3 custom bodies myself. Van, Pickup and sportscar. IIRC the sportscar does have a pre-made that is pretty much exactly mine, but I made mine before the pre-mades were in so.... Van and pickup have a configuration I really like but isn't in the pre-mades IIRC.
Funny that you refer to it Rule the Waves. Great game with some issues. In fact I just tried to play it again but chose to buy this instead because I lost to China as Japan. LOL
Really glad the game is getting a let's play it's a very nice game
It's got its hooks in me
Hey about the 2 stroke 3 cylinder comment a lot of early diesels and even up into the the 80s were 2 stoke.
Lot of Detroits were 2 stoke. As well as naval engines in submarines and the auxiliary engines on larger ships.
Oh wow - Blast from the not so long ago past. Haven't played this since 2015, and judging by my 3 hours played it didn't quite grab me.
I can see that. For this game I think you have to embrace your inner spreadsheet nerd, which isn't for everyone.
That - And maybe know the first thing about cars and engines. Cause a LOT of those specs and sliders don't mean a lot to a city dweller who has never owned a car. 😄
I think I finished my first car and then went "Right... now what" and never got to it.
Looks interesting
Oh cool. I saw colonel failure play this and bought a copy for myself. It's fun although I don't think I fully understand all the systems. I'm eager to see your play through. Haven't watched episode 1 yet, That's for later tonight, but it's going to be fun seeing a new perspective on this game whether you're just learning or an old pro.
I'm probably somewhere between the two, not an expert, but not a complete beginner either. Though perhaps you'd be the better judge of that!
Oh cool, I tried this once.
Someone should play RTW month-to-month concurrently with this, and so have one game's progress influence the other, as much as logic can have one inform the other. 👍
Free Let's Play programming idea Tort, you're welcome!
Looks interesting.
I think you were thinking of Automation. I think it's going to be awesome once they get the campaign play more on track.
Although there have certainly been many similar games since, the office menu system especially gives me similar vibes as the 1993 car company tycoon game Detroit - I used to play it quite a bit even though it was ultimately rather simple as one might guess.
I believe Detroit was the game's inspiration :)
if i had 750k in the 1900's i would just buy a whole country hahaha
lol I was searching for more episodes thinking it was an old series
You really should see what vehicle is in most demand, BEFORE you go and design a new car.
Have had the game for years. Have to play a few hours every year. Think need to devote some time.
It seems the aliens are building cars in this game
Is your car company a subsidiary of shell oil co.
Length and width in milimeters, power in horsepower, torque in Newton-meters, fuel economy in miles per gallon, displacement in cc, I wish they used consistent units!
Haha, that's ME to blame and not the developer. These are all options the user can set.
I went with things I'm fine with (although I could have ... maybe should have? ... done ft-lbs for torque to keep things more consistent). I'm conflicted, being a physicist but also an American car fan.
A long time ago, we used to have both SAE and Metric displayed simultaneously. But we ran out of space, so I left it up to the user in the settings.
The funny thing is most people in the US, especially in the parts/repair side of the of the industry, mix and match SAE and metric.
The backend of the game is a mess. But the front side is on the user. :)
Is this game a remake of 1993's "Detroit"?
I have a challenge for you. I'd like to see you complete a contract for a naval engine. I've looked into it myself but couldn't figure out how to do it.
Sure, although the contract system is a bit wonky.
@@TortugaPower No time limit or anything. I dont want the challenge to ruin your copany but Id be interested in seeing yu make the attempt when you can.
In Automation the car design is also totally irrelevant to gameplay - it's just a fun aesthetic.
Automation, by Killrob. Pretty good game, as is his Cycling game. Not as good as this one, though.
Hi Dennis. I didn't think that "Killrob" was a main developer on Automation, much less the only person on it. Was I mistaken? I thought there were two main people on it (artist and dev) and he joined to assist.
@@TortugaPower - Nope. He is Camshaft Software. Fruinia, and the other made up countries in his car game are exactly the same as in his cycling game. I know him quite well, and have spoken with him often.
Their website seems to indicate that Rob is not the solo developer. It doesn't list him as developer at all, but game design and producer.
www.camshaftsoftware.com/
This is one of those games that I've always bounced off. I've owned it since it became available for sale in like 2011 and have put a grand total of 11 hours into it, split across a bunch of attempts. Just doesn't gel with me. That said, I do generally enjoy watching other people play it and look forward to this LP.
On the subject of Automation: The Car Company Tycoon game, which the devs will agree needs a better name but unfortunately they're kinda stuck with it now. I have 755 hours in it, despite only owning it since December 2018. It's very much in development, the tycoon half especially, but I urge you not to discard it as not being a real tycoon game just because it also has pretty graphics. The campaign definitely isn't as in-depth as Gearcity, especially at this time, but that doesn't mean they're not working to make it a detailed and in-depth campaign that's fun for even tycoon nerds to play.
Personally, I find that the engine and car design of Automation is far superior, because your choices feel like meaningful choices that matter instead of just a bunch of magic sliders. I don't generally even bother decorating the car because that's not the point of the game for me.
Edit: God, looking at this game letting you make a 2.6l I3 is one of those times where I'm reminded of how enormously unrealistic it is. In reality that thing would tear itself to pieces before making any actual power. But Gearcity has always been a tycoon game with a car designer stapled on, so that makes sense. For reference by the way, the Tiny Friendly Giant, at 2l, is the biggest I3 ever used in a car. And that's a modern supercar engine with all the improvements to engine smoothness that have been made in the last 120 years. Most I3s are 1l or less.
I've never given Automation a fair shake either, so maybe it's time for me to dive into that one, too!
Were there I3 engines made prior to like 1980 or even 1970? I don't know much about this, other than knowing that generally engine size has decreased over the decades (for whatever reasons: efficiency, lighter chassis, etc.)
> God, looking at this game letting you make a 2.6l I3 is one of those times where I'm reminded of how enormously unrealistic it is. In reality that thing would tear itself to pieces before making any actual power.
Incorrect. Bore and stroke sizes were significantly larger in the brass era. Compression ratios were much less in the brass era because manufacturering wasn't as technologically advanced. So no. It wouldn't "tear itself apart."
To give an example from the Era, the 1904 Ford Model C had a 2L Flat 2. That's a greater bore and stroke than a 2.6L Inline 3. Hell, Fiat made the Beast of Turin, the Fiat S76 (look it up on youtube.) A 28L i4... *EDIT* And spending a little time in my books, you may find the 1905 Rolls Royce 15HP, uses a 3L 3-cylinder...
The bore and stroke decrease in the game as time progresses. So in 2020, you'll have a harder time (using more of the slider) making a 2.6L i3. Although, it can still probably doable in the game. (And no, it wouldn't tear itself apart with modenr compression ratios either.)
The game allows historically accurate numbers, it's just most people don't know their history. Yes, you can still make some wacky engines and throw them in cars. But hell, the game simulates everything from lawn mowers to massive ships. The game lacks regulations, European displacement taxes, emissions regulations, safety regulations, fuel standards, etc. That's the real reason displacements shrunk to levels you think are only engineering feasible.
@@TortugaPower According to Wikipedia, one of the first Straight 3 engines used in a car was a 900cc engine in 1953.
The thing with engine size going down over time is that, while that's true, some configurations don't really allow for larger sizes. Straight 3s are very inherently unstable, and it takes a fair bit of very clever engineering to get them to be stable. Most small-ish engines have been straight 4 engines, because they're much easier to make stable (And thus also smooth).
Well, smooth is relative, but still.
So as the technology to make engines smoother has advanced, straight 3s have been getting bigger. In general less cylinders are more efficient, which is why they want straight 3s when possible.
And for reference, the 1905 Rolls Royce 15HP, uses a 3L 3-cylinder...
@@MrHamof Don't believe lists on Wikipedia, they're often incomplete. Here is a 1905 Rolls-Royce 15HP with a 3L Inline 3 Cylinder. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_15_hp 102mmx127mm.
Pretty sure which is how Ford designs its cars. Good quality materials.....Naah. The consumers don't need this.