Seestar S50’s Free Update Unlocks 2x Bigger Night Sky Views! | Smart Telescope NEW Mosaic Mode

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  • @raykrv6a
    @raykrv6a Місяць тому +20

    I've only had my S50 for less then 6 weeks and only had clear skies for 3 days. Never had the money or time before to buy and learn astrophotography before. The Framing mode was great for me when shooting Orion. I loved watching the image develop on the phone screen. I got 46 minutes of images in a little over 2 hours. I was happy with that. With the price drop to $450 bucks, it's a great buy for the Noobs like me. I sit in the house while the S50 does it's thing. Plus the updates have been great.

    • @mgscheue
      @mgscheue 29 днів тому

      So looking forward to getting mine.

    • @brizzle3903
      @brizzle3903 20 днів тому +1

      @@mgscheuesame it’s on back order though I won’t get it until February 😩 the suspense is killing me but I’ll know it will be worth the wait

    • @markscheuern5066
      @markscheuern5066 20 днів тому

      @@brizzle3903 For sure. Once you have it, the wait will be forgotten and you'll have a lot of fun.

    • @jonteefey6827
      @jonteefey6827 16 днів тому

      @@brizzle3903 It will be worth the wait!! ;-) I've been enjoying mine since last February and was fortunate enough to get it before the total solar eclipse!

  • @rustynailz178
    @rustynailz178 Місяць тому +6

    Update was a game changer for me that narrow fov was the scopes only weakness being able to frame a full m31 is sweet!! IMO you cant beat the Seestar s50 for the price and it is the best product for new astronomers .The fact that it does so much and is so cheap makes it better than a visual scope of the same price that will only frustrate and not impress a new astronomer, the Seestar has ease of use and the wow factor. 👍

  • @MichaHo
    @MichaHo Місяць тому +3

    Definitly a gamechanger. With the 2 MPixel Sensor, I can now capture 8 MPixel pictures with increasing the field of view. Thats great. 😊

  • @perry3928
    @perry3928 Місяць тому +5

    Game changer. I was unaware that the update also included intelligent noise reduction. Of course with any new equipment or upgrade, the clouds roll in.
    Thanks Wido.

  • @frederickroberts6523
    @frederickroberts6523 Місяць тому +5

    I appreciate the review. The new framing and intelligent denoising features represent significant advancements. Given that most observed objects are small, such as galaxies and clusters, the availability of the framing feature for larger subjects enhances the instrument's versatility beyond the camera. An S50 has been donated to my local university in place of an old visual telescope to promote astronomy in my area for use in their community outreach program.

  • @sillonbono3196
    @sillonbono3196 Місяць тому +4

    We need a Seestar S55 or a S60 where we have a 4 megapixel sensor.

  • @channelwhywhywhy
    @channelwhywhywhy 13 днів тому

    This vid has totally convinced me down the S50 route! Off to buy one literally now! Thank you 👍

  • @johndaley9188
    @johndaley9188 Місяць тому +3

    I've had my S50 since Jan. Wasn't sure how much I would appreciate/use mosaic however, when I saw the rotation/framing capability, my initial impression was WOW. I do have to rely on guys like you to compare these systems but it seems to me, more light(larger aperture) can outweigh camera quality up to a point. Are you looking at denoising feature? Kinda cool.

  • @briankotak403
    @briankotak403 Місяць тому +14

    Sitting on the fence still waiting to buy a smart telescope for public outreach work. Would love it if ZWO put a larger sensor and EQ ability into the S50. That would make me buy it. Until then, I’ll stick with my standard mount/scopes and astro cameras for imaging. Great review Wido. Dr. B from Manitoba, Canada 🇨🇦

    • @bensneen
      @bensneen Місяць тому +1

      If you're thinking of using a smart telescope for public Outreach then I would say the s30, the s50 or if you're willing to spend more money the vaonis 2 is the right way to go. You're going to get visible great results right away four people to see on screen. Also ease of setup and time are very important. If you're doing this to Spur interest in younger crowds this really is the best way to do it. You could always go with the Dharf 3. It has equatorial mode and from what I've seen it does a fairly decent job.

    • @meloney
      @meloney Місяць тому

      The S50 and likely s30 does have abilities for an EQ mode with some tricks. It's done a lot.

    • @AircraftFuelerEddie
      @AircraftFuelerEddie Місяць тому +1

      The s50 doesn't need EQ mode or a larger sensor. That would defeat the original purpose of the scope in the first place: affordability, zero clutter, and ease of use... I love my s50 and if you want this for outreach, YOU DON'T WANT AN EQ MODE or other complexities, like polar alignment. That will come later when they'll want to build their own astro rigs, if they want to. But truth be told, the Seestar is so damn good, they may not want or need such a rig❤

    • @AstroForumSpace
      @AstroForumSpace  Місяць тому +3

      Hmm... let me add that for the past 30 years, all professional telescopes have been built on alt-az mounts, lol, paired with a rotating camera for accurate equatorial tracking. Clear skies, everyone!

    • @toddchamberlain6507
      @toddchamberlain6507 Місяць тому +2

      With Mosaic mode, the sensor is now (in effect) an 8MP sensor with an effective field of view of 2.6º x 1.5º, and Mosaic mode also compensates for field rotation as well. I also have larger gear (Celestron 9.25") but Mosaic mode is honestly a total game changer.

  • @marinabrennecke5495
    @marinabrennecke5495 Місяць тому +5

    I have tried the new update. For M 31 you need a lot of time. After 45 minutes I stopped because 2 corners are still black and nothing happens. The picture looks great.

    • @Kris-jk9mq
      @Kris-jk9mq Місяць тому +4

      45mins? I run it for 6 hours a night per a target, then stack those nightly images

    • @daemn42
      @daemn42 Місяць тому

      If the corners are not filled in then you're very far from full coverage and will see high noise around the edges.
      It spirals out from the center and the final passes are actually done with the exposures taken part way outside the mosaic frame to clean them up. Any time you have dark edges/corners still, it means you have only 10-20s of exposure on the closest visible edge. And even when you see it *just* fill the frame, there's still one more complete pass around the edges to be done before it starts over. So far, the best result I've gotten was on M42 at only 1.3x zoom out, where it claimed about 75 minutes of total exposure time, and I had let it run almost 3 hours. Looking at the sub frames, it looks like it got full frame coverage a little over 3 times (with lots of overlap, so hard to say how much time each individual spot got, although the edges always get less).
      TL;DR: You gotta be patient with mosaic/framing mode to get good results.

  • @jonteefey6827
    @jonteefey6827 16 днів тому

    I appreciate the updates on the part of the ZWO team to keep their product competitive. I am looking forward to a planning feature so I can leave it out all night and wake up to deep sky pics in the morning!

  • @polacofederos
    @polacofederos Місяць тому +6

    the problem with mosaic, is that you need many more exposure hours and not sure if in the same session, does it have a pause option to continue in the next night? also stacking them and stiching them manually is quite complex. Nowdays i would buy Dwarf3, I own S50. Also you need to consider that S50 has field rotation issues wheter Dwarf3 does not, and that is not a minor issue either.

    • @bamsemh1
      @bamsemh1 Місяць тому

      I just let it run till the clouds settle. But yeah, it should have a pause and continue another day option.

    • @johndaley9188
      @johndaley9188 Місяць тому

      @@polacofederos Field rotation issue as a deciding factor? Mosaic gets rid of most of that as it stitches or I just crop it off during post.

    • @polacofederos
      @polacofederos Місяць тому

      @@johndaley9188 of course is a deciding factor, one of many, that someone buying shall take into consideration. And for sure everyone gets rid of it by cropping but that makes you loose a portion of the frame.
      So as a S50 owner, im happy S50 has mosaic mode and that ZWO keeps upgrading its software.
      If you would have to buy one now, would you go for S50 or D3 and why one over the other?

  • @porscheguy19
    @porscheguy19 Місяць тому +1

    Framing has been an awesome upgrade to the Seestar firmware; but the new intelligent noise reduction is also really nice. I suspect that it is taking dark frames during shooting - as you can only use noise reduction while taking an image and not on images that you've already stored... but the results are very good. It's just another feature that really helps.

  • @robertballard8833
    @robertballard8833 8 днів тому

    Seriously considering a smart scope to replace my 14 inch dob. Need clarification - in real time observing, how long doesit take Seestar to show the horsehead ok? how about the dust clouds in Andromeda? i see a good picture can take an hour or more. I'm not into astrophotography and want a real time experience. Can youstopthe image loading at a certian point - Ex - before the trapezeum in orion is washed out?

  • @robertballard8833
    @robertballard8833 8 днів тому

    Can see star be controlled by a Win 10 desktop / laptop computer, or Just the phone? would like to see the images on my 50 inch TV in real time.

  • @bigstreetguns6619
    @bigstreetguns6619 Місяць тому +1

    Honestly I would love for ZWO to include EQ mode and if possible combine it with mosaic. That would increase image quality by a LOT.

  • @jackg7225
    @jackg7225 Місяць тому +1

    I was hoping this was about the update that came out a few days ago but it was about the mosaic update that’s been out for a month? I too, like someone else commented had some problems with dropping connections since the update I did last night. I do like the mosaic feature, now if the could change to an eq method .

  • @AstroCHARLY
    @AstroCHARLY Місяць тому +2

    This new update really takes the Seastar capabilities to the next level. Now we just need a scheduling mode to be able to take shots at different times at night without having to be there. Have you any leaked information about this?

  • @nicholasseidel9533
    @nicholasseidel9533 Місяць тому +3

    yeah it's a game changer. The only issue I've had with it was when m31 went to the zenith late in the imaging session and it started dropping every frame. Other than that its been great.

    • @ChrisAguilar504
      @ChrisAguilar504 Місяць тому +1

      Yeah it can't track objects that go over 85 degrees above the horizon which can be frustrating

  • @batsonelectronics
    @batsonelectronics Місяць тому +1

    I think it looks pretty good now. I have a 150mm goto reflector ( F5 at 750mm ) with mid tier EPs. ( Celestron x-Cel ) I like the goto for looking and maybe this updated S50 for imaging. The idea of having me and my iPad Air inside while the s50 is outside working is a nice thought.

  • @tekk9995
    @tekk9995 Місяць тому

    Thanks! This S50 is for deepsky mostly. So are there any smart telescopes out there that are good with planets in our solar system?

  • @mr.b3054
    @mr.b3054 Місяць тому

    I used the new version and it worked great. Then they did some sort of app update that shows the new S30 Seestar alternating with the S50. Even though I can connect with wifi the connection keeps dropping. Power cycling and using the reset button not working. The worst part is we’ve had absolutely beautiful conditions here the last few days.

  • @elbass0
    @elbass0 Місяць тому +9

    Nice video,.
    One correction though:
    The Seestar does NOT use the lucky imaging technique. It simple stacks long exposures.

    • @AstroForumSpace
      @AstroForumSpace  Місяць тому +3

      Ah, yes...true! I stand corrected. Although 10s is not really long in astrophotography, but definitely longer than lucky imaging :-)

  • @daemn42
    @daemn42 Місяць тому

    So far I've only managed to get *one* target to give me more than 30 minutes of total exposure time, which is M42, probably because it's so bright and feature rich. I stopped it at 75 minutes of exposure time (close to 3 hours realtime) for a 1.3x frame, which worked out to a little over 3 complete passes over the frame.
    I've been trying to get the Horsehead and Flame nebulas for last 3 nights running, and they generally fail somewhere around 22-25 minutes exposure time on a 1.4-1.5x frame. The stacking error rate just starts to increase more and more and until it stops stacking. It almost always fails in the upper left corner of the frame which is the last place in its spiral out imaging pattern before it starts another layer of the spiral. What I usually see there when it happens is 1. that corner shows a lot of sensor noise, 2. there aren't a lot of stars there (this target is very dim as it is) and because it's the last place in the pattern 3. there's been a bunch of sky rotation since the last time it was there (an hour realtime so at least 15 degrees), so it struggles to align the stack. Last night after it failed at 22 minutes.. I just let it keep trying. After about 30 minutes it managed to start stacking again, got another 7 minutes of exposures and gave up at 29 minutes total (also in the far upper left corner) and then never recovered.
    The support drones in the ZWO Seestar forum have acknowledged (as much as they ever do) that there is an issue with mosaic stacking and they claim there's another update coming this week, so hopefully this will be addressed.

  • @iritantNL
    @iritantNL Місяць тому +1

    Where can I get it the cheapest? Because it's way more 3xpensive at resellers then zwo

  • @seanpetty393
    @seanpetty393 25 днів тому

    Would love to buy that tripod - please provide more details.

  • @luishecheverym56
    @luishecheverym56 Місяць тому

    Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge. I am following it. I find it very educational to explain the operation of telescopes, especially the Start s50, now recharged with that mosaic function.

  • @esrider7765
    @esrider7765 Місяць тому

    Is the mosaic mode available for the S30 ?

  • @MagicalWingLT
    @MagicalWingLT Місяць тому

    For the Mosaic Mode? Or the regular mode? In Mosaic I had selected the 2x in the framing.

  • @bamsemh1
    @bamsemh1 Місяць тому

    Where is the sky filter in the new update? 🤔 Or did it get automatic now? All depending on the target lactated?

  • @cato451
    @cato451 6 днів тому

    I like the updates but frankly I’m looking at the Celestron origin to replace my Seestar

  • @delure8153
    @delure8153 8 днів тому

    Why they released s30 instead of larger aperture like 70 ? I think it could be a killer on the market with larger aperture, eq mode and better sensor even if stock price of 1k or more

  • @BigPoppa-t3z
    @BigPoppa-t3z Місяць тому

    But with this update does the s30 does this. Is the s30 close to this I think the s30 can capture like this??

  • @MONTY-YTNOM
    @MONTY-YTNOM Місяць тому

    How does the S50 deal with temp changes at night, like the condensation and damp ? I live in a dark sky area in Wales, but like the Netherlands the weather can change in a few hours

    • @Philipwhittlesey-g5f
      @Philipwhittlesey-g5f Місяць тому +1

      It has a built in dew heater to combat the moisture. You can also buy a dew shield if you'd like.

  • @luigiciuti911
    @luigiciuti911 Місяць тому +3

    I like it! Sometimes, I am using framing, with small x factor, to compensate rotation. Frame pictures look sharper than long, normal exposure ones on their borders. One urgent improvement, we must be able to save settings for future use on other nights

  • @1olddoggie
    @1olddoggie Місяць тому

    So given that you have reviewed the S30, which would you biluy? I am about to make a purchase and ant to know which one rmto get.

    • @BigPoppa-t3z
      @BigPoppa-t3z 29 днів тому

      If you want the picture to be closer to a more crisp s50 .if you want a wider field of view with out doing mosaic mode because it takes longer s30. S30 undated chip s30. Great chip s50. Over time I believe the s30 will benefit more from updates. I got mine new s50 for 389.00 so it's a bargain but if the s30 was out to buy and I didn't have to wait until Feb or March of 2025 I would buy the s30 it's more portable.

  • @Doesnotcare12
    @Doesnotcare12 Місяць тому +2

    My order for my Dwarf 3 should arrive mid-January, but I am seriously considering cancelling and buying the S50.
    I realise they're both good, but I really like the larger appature, and if you wish now, you can use this update for the larger f.o.v.
    I can't believe this is such a hard decision.
    At least with the s50 I can receive it in two days.

    • @ClassicTrialsChannel
      @ClassicTrialsChannel Місяць тому +1

      I cancelled mine. they keep putting the delivery date back and back. same as you, my latest date was jan2025. but no actual date other than that. Bought the S50. the pictures I've got out of it are brilliant

    • @Doesnotcare12
      @Doesnotcare12 Місяць тому

      @ClassicTrialsChannel I think I will do the same. I just want to have get going weather dependent, that is.

    • @spookysandwich1355
      @spookysandwich1355 Місяць тому +2

      D3 all the way , no field rotation cus of the EQ mode 1 min expos aswell / also check out trevor backyard astro vid on the D3

    • @Doesnotcare12
      @Doesnotcare12 Місяць тому +2

      @spookysandwich1355 I've watched everything, and with eq and 1 min exposures, the S50 looks to have less noise and clearer images.
      As Pompey Observatory says, Glass has it's privliges.

  • @toddchamberlain6507
    @toddchamberlain6507 Місяць тому +6

    Mosaic mode is a Game Changer! The sensor now in effect captures up to an 8MP image with an effective field of view of 2.6º x 1.5º, plus Mosaic mode also helps compensate for field rotation as well. I also have larger gear (a Celestron 9.25") but Mosaic mode is a total game changer for sure!

    • @anarkicio
      @anarkicio Місяць тому +2

      @@toddchamberlain6507 No, It doesnt compensate field rotation thats why you have a lot of noise at the borders when framing... Dont lie people

    • @toddchamberlain6507
      @toddchamberlain6507 Місяць тому +2

      @@anarkicio I am not lying. If you think I'm incorrect, that's fine to disagree - but I don't lie.
      From my results, I see that Framing/ Mosaic mode DOES HELP mitigate the negative results of field rotation. Take 3 hours of exposure without framing and the opposing corners of your image will have substantially areas showing noise from the fields rotation. Magnify that with framing mode to even 1.1x for the same 3 hours exposure time, and the telescope will move around the image and paste the exposures together, and (from what I see) significantly reduce the effects from field rotation. Your results might vary, and you might disagree, and I may even be incorrect - but I would appreciate if you did not call me a liar.

    • @anarkicio
      @anarkicio Місяць тому

      @@toddchamberlain6507 And you will drop a lot of images, and total integration time will be lees than a quarter, you will get significant more noise from field rotation... yeah yeah...

  • @Martinko_Pcik
    @Martinko_Pcik Місяць тому

    The new mosaic mode solves the alt-az field rotation and it is not needed to use it in equatorial mode.

  • @jeanclaudeguimet
    @jeanclaudeguimet Місяць тому +1

    I have the S50. Unfortunatly that type of mosaic dont solve the field rotation problem. A bad gradient still présent impossible to remove. Only the EQ mode can be a solution. S50 is only the right solution for small targets

  • @Bonewerkz
    @Bonewerkz Місяць тому

    I have updated my s50 a 10 minutes ago.
    Unfortunately from end of november until march is even the sunshine a rare astronomical event at my place because of permanently cloudy or foggy weather.
    If a get the bigger image, ist the image resolution bigger too...?
    Has a 4 times bigger image a 4 times bigger more pixel?

    • @AstroForumSpace
      @AstroForumSpace  Місяць тому +1

      Yes, the maximum resolution is now 8 megapixels.

    • @Bonewerkz
      @Bonewerkz Місяць тому

      @AstroForumSpace cool🙂😋🤩

  • @stewie750813
    @stewie750813 Місяць тому +2

    I just got an update on my s50 and now it won't auto focus and keeps disconnecting from my phone.

    • @RandomUser311
      @RandomUser311 Місяць тому +3

      Same issue with disconnects (it continues imaging during a disconnect, so not super bad, just normal bad). Didn't experience any issues with auto focus though.

  • @sleepy670
    @sleepy670 Місяць тому

    Dumb question but do i need an internet connection to get full use of this telescope? And if its required can I use my phones Internet connection? I notice it says wifi is required but i dont have wifi when im not at home and in the country where i plan to stargaze

    • @AstroForumSpace
      @AstroForumSpace  Місяць тому +2

      You don't need an Internet connection in the field. The WiFi connection can be made directly with the Seestar telescopes, and no network is needed.

  • @snowboard360
    @snowboard360 Місяць тому

    Hi what software did you use to stack the frames yourself?

    • @Stuart.Little.07.07
      @Stuart.Little.07.07 Місяць тому

      I dont think he stacked them, just used the final Tiff image and worked with that.

  • @Bonewerkz
    @Bonewerkz Місяць тому +1

    My teleskope has become a next update: AI denoise, and the menues are some different. I'n trying now an image of the Pleiades.

  • @Daniel_DP83
    @Daniel_DP83 Місяць тому

    Maybe you can soon make a Video about "PHD2 guiding" again!

  • @jjl.
    @jjl. Місяць тому

    I cant satck by deep sky stack it give me only mosaic subs but the normal sub doesn’t shows up any one can help

  • @archeebookingagent1909
    @archeebookingagent1909 Місяць тому

    I believe they just made another firmware update . which would be 3.5 or so

  • @BigPoppa-t3z
    @BigPoppa-t3z Місяць тому

    But by rotating the image are you forced to go into mosaic mode. S30 although smaller focal and exposure can capture more in the shit no mosaic.

  • @parmenides2576
    @parmenides2576 Місяць тому

    How does this compare to the dwarf 3?

  • @RyanM-ke2gu
    @RyanM-ke2gu Місяць тому

    Love my S50. haven't fired it up in a bit, looking forward to checking out the new update, I've been hoping for this for a while now.
    thanks!

  • @attilabekefi7539
    @attilabekefi7539 25 днів тому

    Fashionable

  • @mutabeledarkwolf
    @mutabeledarkwolf Місяць тому

    Ik heb een s50 ik vind de update wel handig maar ia wel alles op nieuwe leren 😅

  • @peterrichardson4439
    @peterrichardson4439 Місяць тому

    I've got s50 and this is far to long and drawn out feature in mosaic mode.
    Why can't they just make a telescope that you can manually use a knob or something to change to focal length of the telescope so when it's zoomed in on a target you can then zoom out to get more of the image or if something is further away you can zoom into it instead of fixed length and having to use something to get larger targets. Should be simple to engineer.

  • @CarstenBauer
    @CarstenBauer Місяць тому +1

    There is no major update? The bug fixes in 2.2.0 are still present. This video is a complete scam. It doesn't fix the horizontal calibration bug or the focus issues.

  • @meianoitee01
    @meianoitee01 Місяць тому

    These functions have already existed for a while. This video is quite late

  • @simonjennings5458
    @simonjennings5458 Місяць тому

    damn i was hoping this was going to be about the latest update......that one deffo need explanations

  • @VisionCommunications
    @VisionCommunications Місяць тому

    It is an essentially a mosaic mode. I’m surprised it is being featured as something new

    • @RandomUser311
      @RandomUser311 Місяць тому +1

      It's a new feature, I don't think they claim it's a new invention.

  • @chrisdonaldson7247
    @chrisdonaldson7247 Місяць тому +1

    But its $890 ITS NOT CHEAP

    • @Bonewerkz
      @Bonewerkz Місяць тому

      I have buy it for 700€ at summer.
      In Europe.
      (In Europe are the prices much higher for electrinics, energy, and technology.)

    • @omygodtwo
      @omygodtwo 22 дні тому

      in Australia I got my Seestar S50 today for $799 plus postage.

    • @Bonewerkz
      @Bonewerkz 22 дні тому

      @@omygodtwo australian or american dollars?

  • @Spaceandthings1
    @Spaceandthings1 Місяць тому +3

    so we get mosaic mode before eq mode... way to dissapoint zwo!

  • @anarkicio
    @anarkicio Місяць тому +3

    Not a game changer at all, in fact, it drops LOT of shots so makes it pretty unusable

  • @StagnantMizu
    @StagnantMizu Місяць тому +1

    who would buy this? does this make better pics than just a good dslr with a 200mm lens and stackingthe images?

  • @jjl.
    @jjl. Місяць тому

    I cant satck by deep sky stack it give me only mosaic subs but the normal sub doesn’t shows up any one can help